Berkeley Center for Law and Business Info Session

hi everyone i'm going to give you all just a few more seconds to kind of um filter in and i apologize for being just a few minutes past the hour getting a little late start this afternoon but welcome to berkeley time um by way of introduction i'm chelsea hackett i use she her pronouns and i am the outreach coordinator in the gd admissions office and you are all joining me today for the info session with the berkeley center for law and business or bickleby as sometimes you'll hear it be called for short i'm joined today by adam sterling who's the executive director of bickleby or the center for lawn business um and i will also be joined by a current student here in a few minutes and i'm sure that when uh the student joins will give them a chance to introduce themselves um with that in terms of ground rules today i've disabled the chat and so if you have any questions during the session you're welcome to use the q a feature it just is a little bit easier for us to kind of manage things that way um but other than that you'll see that this is being recorded so i'll be sending out this info session afterwards and i also wanted to invite you to our uh our event next week we have a series of panels on the um law school's experience so as you're continuing to learn more about uh law school and berkeley law in particular i invite you to join those sessions uh but with that i will turn things over to adam thank you chelsea okay and i'm gonna just put my also my email address in the chat box so if anyone wants to reach out schedule time to to speak one-on-one about berkeley about law school about a legal career i'm happy to chat with you i'm also going to just do a few slides let me share my screen just give me a moment here all right so as chelsea mentioned uh i am at the berkeley center for law and business and i think berkeley's unique uh we have a number of centers and really i think it's best to think about the centers almost as department so i oversee the business law department everything from curriculum to extracurriculars to alumni relations we have other fantastic centers um center for for energy and the environment law and technology our human rights center so just i think it really uh areas that the law school has had kind of focus strengths is where we've built centers around it and it just does a really great job of serving as a bridge between our students our faculty our alumni and then kind of the broader campus community this picture is actually from an event we did a few years ago on on sports uh law and business up at the berkeley football stadium and then that's three of our students all who are now lawyers practicing doing really neat things and then with them is andre iguodala who now i guess plays once again for the golden state warriors but spoke about investing in sports related startups so uh we're at the heart of silicon valley and other things and and i think one of the best parts of berkeley is is the tremendous people we bring on campus to speak with our students and this is one example a little bit more about me so as chelsea mentioned i'm the executive director of the center for law and business i also oversee executive education at the law school so that's all of our programs that we offer non-degree earnings for basically practicing attorneys or other practitioners uh we have programs in venture finance sustainability artificial intelligence so kind of learning after you've graduated from school my background so prior to to graduate school i i actually in college started a non-profit in the human rights space and then worked in dc for a number of years and then felt i wanted to go back to grad school um i i had taken the lsat my junior of college because i didn't know what i wanted to do and then i kept delaying it and then i think my lsat score was about to expire so i applied to a few schools berkeley was one i thankfully got into they were nice enough to allow me to defer a year and then i think that was like six years later i wasn't sure if i wanted to be a lawyer long term so right before i took the gmat and then ended up applying to business school so i i was at berkeley for four years um and i did a jd and an mba while i was there i became really interested in kind of the silicon valley tech startup scene i tried to do my own tech startup in business school because you have a lot of free time in business school but it failed and so i ended up practicing law uh out in the bay area at a law firm called gundersen detmer um where i represented both startups and then the the venture capitalists the investors who invest in startups and i did that for a few years and then six years ago i got the opportunity to come back to berkeley and run the center and it's really been a tremendous experience of a lifetime you know we've really invested in berkeley's business law program but still have kind of maintained that public interest spirit if you follow the rankings u.s news two years ago started ranking business law programs we were number four overall number one for all public universities this last year the second year of those rankings we were number three uh still number one for all public institutions so it's something we're really proud of um and then you know as i'm sure you'll hear others say i'm sure aaron will echo this when he joins us he's a current second year student it's just a really phenomenal community um my time at law school it was the best two and a half years of my life i say two and a half because that first half year that first semester it's a bit of a transition no matter where you go but i just really fell in love with the place and it's been a home to me and i'm still obviously here today i left a lucrative practice in the private sector to come and be part of this community again i met my significant other here she is a immigration attorney we we've just had our first child so a berkeley law baby um and still probably our closest group of 30 or so friends are our classmates of ours so the community is just really special and you know i'm sure we'll talk a bit more about that um i'm not going to read this you know this is our mission statement uh basically you know we do a lot of really cool stuff from looking at financial fraud corporate governance to venture capital i actually co-taught four years ago one of the universities first blockchain courses so we're at the forefront of innovation and things like that we have probably the most robust sustainability curriculum around esg and sustainability if that's something you're interested in paul weiss which is one of the top law firms they actually just started a new institute for sustainability and they selected berkeley law and our center as their inaugural academic partner so of all the universities they could have partnered with uh for this they selected us and they actually as part of that is going to be a new scholarship for students interested in corporate sustainability so information on that will be available soon just some responsibilities of our center as i mentioned curriculum development programming for you all for alumni for practitioners certainly scholarship and research some of our key areas of focus uh certainly startups venture capital entrepreneurship our business and society institute which is part of the center is responsible for all things sustainability we do a ton of work still in kind of traditional capital markets from ipos initial public offerings m a we've done a lot looking at spax if that's something you follow and then over the last few years we've really done a lot in the space of financial fraud we host a really fun annual conference called fraud fest where we kind of bring journalists and researchers together to look at kind of hot topics and financial from some of the really student initiatives sorry ignore that student mixer part so if you do come we'll have plenty of mixers for you we support our business law journal which is actually the largest journal i believe on campus and something that a lot of students will participate in as i mentioned the sports and entertainment law journal is something we often support we bring we we host something called the leadership lunch series so each fall semester and i'll put something up on the screen in a moment we bring leaders general counsels which is usually the the top lawyer at an organization to campus to come meet with and speak to our students and then usually in the spring semester we bring different law firms to campus we support the new community law clinic uh here which is is uh one of our clinics where you actually get to work with uh startups non-profits and other entrepreneurs and provide actual legal services you may learn about our our slips program which are our student legal projects uh one of those and one of the more popular ones is something called the startup law initiative where as a first year student you actually get to work with new companies to incorporate those companies to do trainings for those companies on startup law so that's a really fun one we have a women in business law initiative uh which it has a mentorship program uh conferences just a ton of things and then all of our student groups and there are so many uh we support all of their kind of programming in the world of business law so there's a lot there and then just to talk about because we actually just wrapped it up i just want to throw something on the screen here and hi aaron i'll introduce you in just a moment um let me give me a second here uh what i want to show you is uh so we just wrapped up our our leadership lunch series usually these are our live and on campus um but basically what we did was we brought kind of the top lawyers from a bunch of organizations to meet with our students and give talks so just you can see here's a few that came this semester so that general counsel of docusign hoppin which is a competitor to zoom number of these folks are alumni stephen johnson's the number two at american airlines kristin uh is a good friend general counsel of lyft jeremiah capital g that's one of google's big investment funds shauna simmons at shayna simmons at simon's at everlaw which is a really cool legal tech company josh faddis here of viva systems i'm actually working on a case study about viva systems they were the first public company last year to convert from a corporation to a public benefit corporation which is a new style of corporation uh that is accountable not just to shareholders but other stakeholders like employees communities and the like a few more here nobel foods kristin is one of my best friends she was a classmate of mine they are basically designing an alternative protein for cheeses so you're going to see a ton of cool stuff lydia galbraith she's a recent alum 2017 she's general counsel of a really cool company called bitwise industries and what they do is work with communities like all around the country largely communities that are kind of underrepresented in the tech space and help them build out tech ecosystems it's just it's a really cool organization bitwise industries and so that's just one semester's worth of guests and so i think really being here and our connection to the industry is is one of the perks and so what i want to do now is uh stop sharing and i want to introduce uh my guest for for this program and then we'll just take questions from you all uh aaron altman aaron's a second year at berkeley law so this is his first year on campus taking classes uh his first year as a 1l uh was during the pandemic so he were attending berkeley law at zoom university um but aaron thanks for joining us and maybe i'll kick things off um tell us a bit about your journey to law school what did you do before and then if you can maybe focus on on why you selected berkeley law yeah yeah um so hello everyone i'm erin i'm a 2l um i uh before law school i worked at a company called carvana in the legal department um i i wanted to take some time to study for the lsat and also get some some legal experience to see sort of sort of what lawyering is all about and i've always sort of been interested in like the intersection of law and business so carvana presented me with a great opportunity to um be a legal analyst and primarily handle consumer litigation and all sorts of regulatory matters for the company the used car industry is is very regulated so a bunch of interes interesting issues for a company that's trying to um be innovative and disrupt a pretty traditional industry um and was fortunate enough to get great experience there my direct supervisor is actually a berkeley law alum so that was sort of my first um sort of my first taste of what uh life would be like at berkeley law and sort of the the career aspects and and sort of where it could take you um and so applied to law school um eventually chose berkeley after talking to adam and talking to to my boss and i think a lot of what attracted me here is um it seemed like everyone seemed to echo the community at berkeley and how um everyone seems to meet lifelong friends here and stuff and and colleagues and so that was definitely something that was very attracted to me was sort of the collegial atmosphere and then also the connection to the bay area i was interested in coming out here and um working with some of the companies like that you mentioned on the leadership lunch lunch talks doing interesting things and sort of berkeley's connection to that um community and sort of being just outside of or in in that hub of innovation um was really exciting and ultimately attracted me here love it aaron and i i wonder if this ran true to you at all i remember when i was looking at law schools right it was almost like well i i love the collegiality of berkeley law i love the going to a public university and its commitment to the public interest and and i'll go there maybe despite it not having the strongest business law program and i think now it's it's it's right i mean you know the numbers speak for themselves but but have you felt that right that that not only is it a top-notch business law program but you just feel connected to the public aspect of it yeah yeah definitely um i think one thing that the school does particularly well in terms of the business curriculum is sort of the emergence of these one unit courses um that are usually taught by leading practitioners and in whatever field um for example i took one on cryptocurrency last semester and it was taught by like the leading attorney in the country um for a couple weeks that that's dealing with the regulation of crypto or whether to be regulated at all or how um so i think that is something that that is unique and and gets you exposure to sort of these leading practitioners and allows for networking along with learning about sort of these cutting edge um uh topics that that are emerging in the news with mean coins and stuff so it's interesting getting getting to learn um getting to learn about things that are better making headlines and learning them from people that are experts in their field and tackling these issues head-on yeah it's a great point i would encourage you all to at the schools you're considering to take a look at kind of the you can just google schedule of classes and almost it's almost always public and and look at some of the i think especially the electives right because at every school you'll have your civil procedure your contracts your criminal law but i think where schools really differentiate themselves is in the electives and and to aaron's point what we started doing a few years ago to really bring in kind of uh leading practitioners is these one unit classes which is is about 14 hours of class time and sometimes it's condensed over kind of a boot camp weekend and and we get to bring in really great folks so aaron mentioned our crypto class uh we have the the head of trust and safety and tick tock teaching a class on on basically regulating technology we've got judge jed rakoff of the southern district of new york who's kind of like the federal judge of prosecuting federal crimes of financial fraud and otherwise teaching a class called where civil and criminal codes collide he flies out every year for that so and it's a great point aaron definitely i'd encourage folks to take a look at you know our schedule of classes and others so and most law students after their first year they'll intern somewhere and then after their second year they'll intern somewhere else and that often where they intern after their second year of law school is is usually where they end up working after law school so can you tell us a bit what you've you did last summer and what you plan to do next summer yeah yeah um so last summer after my 1l year i worked at morrison and foster big law firm in san francisco um and then spent a couple weeks at facebook um well now now meta in their um integrity and security um department um which is which is really interesting and sort of what um it all the facebook issues kind of seem to revolve around that um which was very exciting and next next summer i'll be working at gibson dunn in san francisco yeah so i'm really excited about that okay uh aaron favorite class so far business law related and favorite class non-business law related and we won't share this with any of your professors business law related probably business associations um kind of touching on what you mentioned about public interest i think it's interesting how um so many of the issues today around the law and business are kind of about this intersection of public interest and where corporations play a role in that um and so i particularly liked sort of that angle of the class um and also i really loved the professor and found it just fascinating um and then favorite non-business law class uh was probably a civil procedure that's probably not the most common answer but i i think it's really important to understand uh how cases are brought and i think i had a slightly deeper appreciation for it working before particularly in litigation because almost all would get thrown out for procedural matters so i kind of understood the importance of it going in like practically um but i just i just really like that class and i i want to um i aspire to be a litigator so i found it to be to be particularly relevant to what i want to do love it and i asked the question because i actually um we encourage our students to really have a balanced class load and i actually so we uh our center oversees the the business law certificate so if you take a certain number of classes some are required and then other electives and throughout your three years you can graduate with a certificate in business law and actually really the way it's optimized is that you could roughly take just about half of your classes and business law and half and other things and and still complete the certificate because we really believe much of what you need to know on a day-to-day basis you'll learn from the job and it's actually much better to have a more well-rounded legal education so i just you know why i ask that question and why i think it's an important point and i remember my favorite class was uh criminal justice reform in california um taught with a former uh california district attorney who was progressive and on on criminal law reform so uh anyway thanks erin i think what we'll do maybe aaron i'll ask you to think about this and we'll come back to you but if there's anything you wish you knew when you were in our prospective student shoes that you know now that you want to share so think about that but what we'll do is let's open it up for questions i think that's it from our presentation what i might ask you to do because it's just more interactive is if you want to ask a question to use the hand raise feature so in your zoom toolbar there's a button to raise your hand and then i'll allow you to speak and you can just say hi and ask your question and and please uh if you can tell us where you're coming from okay hi sarah hi how are you doing good thanks how are you i am good um so i i am coming from new york ithaca okay and um i i am just wondering about uh more about the women in business law initiative that you guys are have there it seems really interesting with like the mentorship and everything and i was wondering if you could um talk a little bit more about that yeah so um that's a program that we run and um uh and what we do is so so throughout the semester we have like programs panels and then i think the the meat of the program is is we have uh we've compiled kind of a group of mentors folks from law firms folks from government attorneys from companies and then for anyone that wants to each year we match our 1l students with one of those mentors and then they're able to kind of collaborate we do some networking activities for them but that's kind of the the core of of that program and then we do some thought leadership around that on gender inclusion more broadly in the law working with some big organizations etc we fund others research scholarship um but but for i think for our law students the core program is that mentorship program awesome thank you so much for that thanks sarah spencer hi yes thank you so i'm coming in from oh can you hear me yeah okay i'm coming in from rural michigan and thank you very much uh for putting this on uh actually is aaron still on there because i had a yeah okay great um so my question is largely about that uh cryptocurrency regulation course that you mentioned which is extremely interesting i'm wondering if there were any particular let's say definitive or very confident measures that will be taken in the near future uh that the lawyer disclosed to you that you could tell us about as well as i'm not sure what the chronology was but as a follow-up with morris and forrester were there any situations where you were able to see or let's say apply some degree of financial regulation regarding cryptocurrency with any maybe client cases while you were a uh associate there somewhere as long as you don't trade on any of this information spencer of course yeah um so for the cryptocurrency class i think sort of the main takeaway is that no one really knows what to do about any of this because it's so new um and the people that seem to understand it or these hyper specialized engineers and congress is ultimately kind of in charge of figuring out how to regulate this and they're not really well positioned to um just because of how technical it is and how hard it is to understand for most people um so kind of the takeaway was that no one really knows where it's gonna go but i think um there's the sec and another the um commodities and futures trade commission basically we're fighting over jurisdiction about how to regulate um cryptocurrencies and whether they whether they'd be considered uh securities um and for your second question about working at morrison foster i didn't get a chance to um work with anything cryptocurrency related there but i did uh get to work on securities litigations cases um like shareholder disputes um company wrong allegedly wrongfully discloses some information and people trade on that information and the stock price goes down and then there's a suit um so that was primarily what i um my experience was at mofo excellent thank you so much and and spencer anyone else interested i i uh last month uh interviewed the chief legal officer of ripple and we talked largely about regulatory issues and it's available on youtube so i just sent the link for that interview if you're curious awesome i'll be giving that a watch thank you adam you got it any other questions comments or folks that want to say hi okay emma hi hi um my name's emma i'm from evanston illinois and that's where i am currently right now um i'm more interested in the public interest side of business like antitrust things like that and i was just wondering if you could like roughly say what percentage of the business focus class have a policy or public interest focus if it's like 50 or like kind of lower on the end or higher i was just curious about that yeah i'd say it's probably 50 and trending to a higher number right right i mean so our biggest area of growth is is kind of the around sustainability governance esg the purpose of the corporation stakeholder theory and that's where i see the most growth and probably our most popular choruses um and then on if you include the regulatory stuff which has just become massive from antitrust to syphias which is the committee on foreign investment in the us um and and those have just become really big issues i think we now have we have our core antitrust class for example and then three or four antitrust electives so it's a huge part of of of the curriculum and probably i'd say beyond 50 if you forced me to put a number on it great thank you so much that's really exciting because that's like exactly what i want to do cool yeah it's a great i mean it's it's it's a really important space and then we we bring a lot of i think you know regulators as well to campus and through our programs i'll put a link up here um we run a big conference each year on on corporate governance it starts tomorrow and goes through friday it's going to be a live stream on zoom events and and we have like a whole camera it's going to be really nice but if you go to the berkeley forum dot com you can register and you don't have to attend the whole thing um but like for example we have the the director of corporation finance from the sec and then some other really big names coming to speak so take a look at that um but we do kind of two of those big conferences each year but you'll see like day two is almost all about regulatory issues great thank you for the link does anyone know what the socratic method is aaron you probably know now aaron did you know coming in yeah yeah i did um just from working in a legal department and sort of just hearing about it from practicing attorneys yeah and if you watch uh any movie about law school or portrayal of law school it's dramatized quite well but the basic idea is that that uh your professor will will teach largely by asking you questions and then you'll just always uh be randomly called upon to speak and so you always have to be prepared to respond and um so that's the extreme version of it i think it's gotten to the point of berkeley in most law schools where at most right you're probably on call meaning you know your professor will say this may happen only a couple times a semester like aaron and these other 10 other folks should be prepared to speak today if i call on them um and then after your first year it kind of goes away but is is that your ex so i just bring that up to say i won't call on you all but if you we'd love your questions or comments if you have them are just introductions but uh aaron was that your experience yeah yeah it was my experience and i think i've only been in one class where you weren't notified in advance that you might be on call um which is nice um so you're not just called out of the blue while you're daydreaming you know you have some some advanced notice that that you should be um a little more on point but i think some of the best advice i've gotten it and it might be a little bit unconventional is kind of keeping in the back of your mind that no one really knows anything so if you fumble a cold call and you're embarrassed or something and someone else completely killed it or it seemed like they did that at the end of the day you're you're basically on the same playing field as everyone else um so that kind of thought is um has always always helped me sort of deal with like the potential anxiety of getting called on or feeling embarrassed and also kind of applies to other things um in life particularly in in law where it seems like there's a lot of people who who know what they're doing but they encounter things all the time that they are solving that they've never experienced before 100 great great advice i remember i had a professor that she would if you came into class late she would cold call you which basically is calling you when you're unprepared as you are making your way into the classroom i i never understood why people would still show up late either come earlier don't come at all but anyway uh it's beside the point um and i don't know i i would just encourage everyone you know i think berkeley our peer law schools they're all great i'm sure you're all great people i think you're cr you're going to have great career opportunities wherever you go and and so you know as you kind of look at your options i really encourage you to think about like where you think you'll have the best time meet as many students as you can faculty staff and just see who you connect with because if you're making the decision purely from a resume perspective although i think you'll do great with us if not better than elsewhere and i don't think that's necessary i think thinking about you know it's three years of your life and and where you'll really enjoy those three years because you'll make connections that will last a lifetime not just personally like me but professionally as well i i'd say almost every kind of professional thing i've done or success i've had i've leveraged someone i've met or i knew from law school whether i went to law school with them or they were alumni of the law school and so it's just a really special community um looks like maybe there's one another question christopher hi yeah i'm coming from seattle uh i was wondering what type of courses you guys had in corporate finance law or like investment law um yeah [Music] yeah we have a wide variety so so we actually have a corporate finance course which is kind of a hybrid business school style law chorus that we offer and it's kind of one of our core courses what we found actually was so you can take classes at berkeley and other graduate departments you can get up to credit for up to eight units law school credit for classes you take elsewhere but what happens is it's it's usually like electives and other campuses and so like at the business school corporation corporate finance was not an elective so our students couldn't get into it so a few years ago we actually started offering it regularly to our students so we have a kind of a core course in corporate finance a lot of electives and then kind of if you think about different sorts of asset classes and corporate finance from venture capital we have a ton to private equity leverage buyouts we have a lot uh we have a capital markets an ipo chorus so there's there's a time we have courses on the fun side so actually fund management courses for folks that are going to work at investment funds so it's pretty broad and again i sent that link out for our business our schedule of classes and would encourage you to to look at that um but thanks great question hi can you hear me yeah hi yeah hi hi um uh thank you adam for uh the useful information so i actually go by vic you call me vic um so i have a i have a few questions about uh you know uh the uh startup berkeley law and uh um so i'm quite interested in the new business practicum and the iplab seminar and practicum so i'm wondering if you could talk a little bit more about both and especially the latter so i'm not a stem major and i don't have any prior training in say tech but i'm very interested in you know ip regulations and especially meaning that uh some of the students participate in the life science startups pattern landscape uh and studies uh wondering if you could talk a little bit more about that yeah and so a lot of that goes through our sister center the center for law and technology and so i i don't know if chelsea if they're going to do a session but definitely you should check them out that's the berkeley center for law and technology and we are number one in ip and we have been for a number of years um and and i would say just like from careers in ip certainly there's the route of kind of patent prosecution folks with stem backgrounds but an even bigger kind of larger career path is is kind of around like tech trans or ip groups where you're you're doing more um consulting with companies on on intellectual property issues so it's it's and a lot of our students go into that and then actually for most companies their first legal hire is usually kind of an ip tech trans attorney um so so when we say ip intellectual property there's a lot of kind of career paths that come out of that from both the transactional and litigation side and so i think by no means is not having a stem background uh a barrier there for for folks that are interested in ip um the new community business law clinic yeah it's just one of our clinics and so i think you you basically apply during your you as early as your second year and and it's basically like a little legal practice where you're actually under the supervision of attorneys but providing legal services to you know organizations in need oh and chelsea tells us that the center of law and technology actually already did a session last week and she'll be posting it to the website in the next week or so and uh i'm confident that they address student opportunities like this all right any final question yeah you got it avik before i go back to aaron to tell us what he wish he knew so aaron think about it well we i checked for final questions riley is going to save aaron and give him more time to speak hi um i'm coming to you from huntington beach california a couple hours away but i was wondering what the overlap was like because you mentioned you were able to take some electives in the business school and then if i was going to do an mba jd program could those overlap or how does that work yeah so if you're not doing a joint degree you can get up to eight units so you can take let's say four two unit classes at other graduate departments and then get those will count towards your basically law school elective credits which you'll need to graduate and the challenge there is usually just finding those courses that have you it obviously has to be a course where there's open enrollment that aren't full so like a business school this makes sense right um is gonna prioritize their business school students but if there's elective still with space in it you can enroll in those and then each like for example each semester the business school will share with us a list of classes that still have availability it's always a pretty great list if you decide to do a joint degree so for the jd mba you can apply basically any time up to through your second year and what most students do is they'll do their first two years at the law school then they'll do their third year at the business school and then their fourth year they'll often take just classes at both got it thank you yeah i will hop in and say that there are some classes taught jointly between um the schools i know you kind of mentioned this adam um but some will be you could take classes that have a mix of of the business students and also law students um which is pretty interesting and sort of provides you with best of both worlds yeah and we have a lot of extra so we actually just wrapped up we do an annual for first year law students uh negotiations program where you pair up with a business school student and then you compete against other pairs of law school and business school students for um uh like negotiating real world deals like around m a and financing it's it's really a fantastic program super popular we just wrapped up uh this year's uh anthony yes thank you um i'm anthony powell i'm calling in from colgate university in upstate new york i'm an econ maker so these topics are very interesting to me i'm just wondering what are like the big differences between the law and economics area of study and the business and startup area of study and do a lot of students concentrate in both areas or or not generally yeah great question anthony so you know most of our students come to law school and and and treat it as a professional school right and you leave law school and you're going on the business law side you're going into either a career at a big law firm government or clerking maybe in delaware or somewhere that has overlap with business law you know going to the sec et cetera and so when i think about kind of the business law or startup curriculum i think it's largely geared towards kind of preparing you for the practice of law i think the law economics curriculum is twofold one it tends to be more i'd say academic and so for someone that that maybe wants to go on and pursue a career in academia so we have a law and economics workshop each semester that brings in different academics to present their papers and their research so that that is that one way i would break it down also the law in economics is a lot of overlap with someone mentioned early antitrust right and competition and so we do a lot with like the economics department around that so that's kind of how i would break it down maybe thank you yeah all right i'll pause for make sure there are no final questions oh and and pablo hi can you hear me i'm going to embarrass so hey how are you hey how's it going yeah good great uh great to see so pablo um i guess i don't know for that four years ago was an undergraduate fellow when he was at berkeley with our center good to see you it's great to see you as well it's great to see uh so many people here and it's great to see the everything's running so smoothly and so well yeah well you have to hit me up you know let me know how i can be helpful and and uh hope we see you back as a law student same same with all of you but i just i'm great to see you again or at least your your voice and your name great to see you as well all right aaron we'll go back to you okay what do you know now that you wish you knew a couple years ago when you were a prospective student um i think something before i started working at least and now that i i figured out sort of in the last year is sort of the important of your network um and whatnot i think you kind of touched on this earlier adam um with sort of leveraging your uh berkeley colleagues when you were a law student here but i think something that that's often overlooked and um is kind of his lost importance i think especially in law school because it's so academic and focused on getting the highest grade you can is is important some network um and i think berkeley has done a particularly great job of that um especially i'm interested in practicing in san francisco and its proximity to that really helped adam's been a great resource for connecting students and myself with attorneys at law firms that you're interested in i've had the same experience with my professors if they happen to work at the same firm um that that i'm interested in um so i think like during all this i think i would keep the importance of network in your mind because in a lot of ways it could get you um just as far or potentially further than just pure academic credentials or what you have listed on your resume i love it i didn't warn aaron that i was going to ask that so that was that was really good i called called cold called him okay so chelsea anything else you need to us to address i i will put looks like we're good i will put my email address again in the chat box if anyone wants to reach out schedule time to chat one on one um but thanks for your interest and and i i hope it works out hope that we see you on campus um has an admitted student let me send that to everyone sorry and and aaron thanks so much for i know we're rapidly approaching uh final season if we're not uh formally there so thanks for taking some time out to chat with our our prospective students yeah of course good luck to everyone thanks adam and thanks erin have a good one

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