The Tyto Tech 500 Power List - Podcast Interview

thanks for downloading the latest episode of the c-suite podcast that we're producing in partnership with the european pr agency taito this show is all about the taito tech 500 power list a publication that identifies the most influential figures in technology in the uk france and germany my name is graham barrett and i'm thrilled to say we're going to hear from three of the influencers on this year's list they are sophie proust chief technology officer at atos andreas meyer professor friedrich alexander university erlang and nuremberg and jonathan simcox editor tech blast and business cloud welcome to you all but before we hear their stories let me introduce zoe clark senior partner and head of media influence at taito who can give us some background to this report welcome to the show zoe the taito tech 500 power list is now in its fifth edition how has it developed over the years and what is the the rationale the thinking behind it so yeah when we first set up this um ranking back in 2017 as you say you know really we set up with a clear aim rationale in mind of looking to identify who are the most influential people in tech at any given moment and also just more generally to kind of shine a light on this whole idea of influence as a whole dig into it a little bit and look at you know how is that created what does it mean to be influential so yeah fifth year as you say for the uk list now and we've systematically added countries over over the years germany i think this is the third year we've done it and in france as well in our second year now so yeah this year i suppose you could say it's definitely the most comprehensive list we've had so far looking at you know europe's three biggest geographies and i think over time you'll see probably when we dig into into the findings a bit more that it really does change over time and i think what's interesting is it gives you a snapshot not just of who are the influences but what does it mean to be influential at that particular moment or in that particular year could you just give us a brief overview of some of the findings of this year's report yes absolutely okay so i'm not going to dig into chapter and verse on every single data point in detail so i should actually just say for any listeners that do want to have a have a proper deep dive into it you can do that in two ways um i think on taito's youtube channel and also we did a special edition of our the launch podcast of our taito without borders podcast series so you can definitely get the detail there but three key findings important to note for this year so the first one is really all around the real boom we've seen in the number of influences coming from the green tech sector and that's across all countries uk france and germany and i'm talking about i think in the uk it was 160 rise this year so you know massive difference similar in germany i think it was about 47 rise there and in france as well i think we had two green tech influences in 2020 and i think it was 32 or 42 this year so really really significant change um in this year's report second key theme is all around the rise of health tech and biotech influences so you know again i think um you'll see notable names like um uzlam and uga sehen who are actually the founders of bioentech um who've been so influential in in rolling out the covid vaccine um over the last year people like that you know and i think um 69 overall rise in biotech influences this year and a 35 rise in health tech as well so that's definitely a second key trend and then finally um which is interesting as we dig into our conversation with the guests we've got here today really interesting to see this year how much more prominent academics and politicians and governmental people um have become in the top echelons of this year's ranking compared to in years gone by um you know eight out of ten influences in this list are still business leaders and journalists and that's been a common theme throughout all the years we've done this but actually this year as you get into the top 100 or even the top 25 you really start seeing this year that the number of academic or governmental influences has has really gone up so just briefly i suppose what does this tell us um well a couple of thoughts from me is just that i think it's plain to see how pivotal tech is right this at the moment in in solving some of the world's biggest challenges and secondly as well obviously as i said when we do this report year on year you can really see how it reflects the world we're living in and this year is it's plain to see you know the rise of health tech biotech etc just reflects of course that the last year or two that we've we've all been through so yeah that's a bit of a snapshot for you well thanks erin i think yeah let's introduce one of our panel today um sophie proust sophie is a cto of a large technology company you've been selected as one of the top women in tech to watch why do you think you're on this list well as you said i'm a cto of atos i've been there now for three years and atos is a large service provider uh we support our customers in the digital transformation journey and uh maybe before answering your question i couldn't tell you what's my day-to-day job you know i i'm in charge of let's say three main things first thing is setting the technology vision uh for atos with our r d investments we want to invest where we will have the most impact uh uh to transform our customers uh through their digital uh journey uh we want also to boost innovation so with the thought leadership activities you know inspiring our customers to get the best use of the technology and the third thing is really to foster our technical communities we have an expert scientific community as well as a cto community so we are preparing the skills for the future technologies upcoming so actually i've been now for more than 30 years you know in in the tech i led r d teams and of course this is a great asset for me helping me in my day-to-day job managing the teams in a wide scale company such as atos and i think as so i mentioned you know uh the the the pivotal aspect of the tech what i could say is that technology really progresses uh on one hand continuously uh with natural evolutions you know more performance more usability for users more data insight and sometimes with some disruption breakthroughs uh that change paradigm cloud was one because moving application to cloud really changes things and also with the upcoming let's say uh quantum computing so you know as a cto i must be of course attentive i listen i look at the trends that will transform our lives and it's really thrilling so why haven't we selected well you know first of all it was a big surprise of course a big honor too because if i look at the french list you know having uh being in the list where the number one is tomapeske is quite impressive so you know maybe some of the thoughts that zoe gave us you know green tech health in atus we are all engaged into this and so uh maybe it's also an ai algorithm you know who helped you uh in social media uh to see so uh well at least i hope that it will inspire as you say other women to come in the tech area yeah a number of things have contributed to you being on the list yeah absolutely it's not just one thing your your influence is obviously spread around a number of things so yeah andres maybe i could come to you now um as zoe mentioned the number of influences from the academic sector has risen by over 70 percent you know due to the pandemic and other factors what influence do you think you have in your field well i consider me just as an academic so this whole influence of status is very surprising for me as well i can tell you you know with the start of the pandemic we started moving many of our things to social media we started recording lectures putting them on youtube and of course many of our scientific results we try to share with our colleagues using tools like twitter or linkedin and apparently there is an audience and the audience is growing we cannot meet on conferences anymore as we used to that was the prime occasion when we would meet each other and share ideas and now we share him with the world everybody can participate and i think that's that's so yeah a very good development and also with the increase of open science and open access publishing people can also download articles and follow the research much better so i think that's a very good kind of development and i'm not surprised to hear that many academics are going into this direction it's very important that of course that we can discuss our ideas and develop them further jonathan journalists become even more important in this pandemic era that we're living through when fake news seems to spread faster than ever are you conscious of this in your various publications and has that changed your approach at all well there are other publications in the uk which are uh probably more headline publications so you have like city am in london you've got the the national newspapers so you know you look on the list and you see alex hearn from the guardian simon duke from the times so they're influential in a certain way where we come in is we look at a niche of of startup companies scale companies and established companies that are in the tech sector so it's how are the technologies changing how we do business how we live our lives and what we do is we try and shine a light on those companies of all sizes and we say um if you look at this sector here are some incredible people you know we've we've had people lists in the past as well on our publications where we look at you know female role models in technology which obviously has a real impact in terms of people getting engaged on social media people visiting our website and understanding who the people are that are trying to change change the world about a story today which is which has come from the government it's not our original research saying that 40 of ftse 100 boardroom positions are now filled by women which is up from 12.5 12 uh 10 years ago so you can see the kind of way things are moving over time and what we're trying to do is we're trying to reflect movements in business movements and technology through the people that are in the sector and the companies that they that they uh that they're building so let's come back to you is social media one of the things you examine when compiling this list does that go a long way to defining influence in today's world yes i think it is um but i think it's only part of it so i think obviously this is what today in this conversation's all about right what do we mean by this concept of influence what does that actually involve and i think what jonathan was saying there was really interesting as well in terms of sort of different groupings and different types of people being influential in different ways and depending on their role so i mean i think um you know some people might say yeah you know absolutely it's all about your social following it's social ranking whatever but no i definitely don't think it's all about that um at taito you know as a pr agency we think about influence as a much more sort of well-rounded or kind of multi-faceted concept if you will um i actually like to think about influencers and i think you know all of our guests here today are brilliant example of this of being people who have the power to persuade any an audience about something whatever it might be and you know what i mean by that i suppose is that people on this list and our three brilliant guests here today you know they have the ear of an audience of listeners and you know is that just because they have a big social following no i don't think so at all um it's you know i think one of the things that's come through on this year's ranking is actually the importance of relevance in influence so it's really clear that the people on this year's list are in part influential because they're relevant and topical you know and that's part of it but yeah it's much more than just a social following so our methodology for example actually incorporates um yes social rank but also an individual's overall online um uh sort of brand piece the the ranking of their overall organization that they work for you know for example the domain authority or how often they're searched for on google trends even and also the amount they appear in earned media as well and so it's a really sort of well-rounded well-rounded look at things sophie just coming back to you jonathan was talking about that ftse um you know the breakdown of women in high profile roles you have a high profile role in tech as we spoke about before what more though needs to be done to allow women to be heard in tech well you know more than maybe to be heard i'd like to see i'd like to say the first thing it's that we need to have more women in tech first than to be heard because and and and maybe the thing is that girls need to understand what it means to work in tech you know writing algorithm of machine learning we've talked about it uh applying mathematics uh to a given problem uh like uh enfraud in finance or analyzing behavior in a fan zone to see if there is problems coming along or targeted marketing all this implies to understand the business of the customer and i think this is really appealing for women but you know you can also design servers you can do some electronic board design you can do some mechanic server design you can also design the user experience how human interact with the systems and there's many roles in tech architect testers developers implementing uh and and doing some prototypes so you can clearly quickly see the the impact and i think we we've talked about it also we are really living in crucial time where we see all those technologies that have a real social impact in our lives and the lives of our children we saw how kovid for example uh was absolutely key there uh in the need for example for decarbonization so i think on the one hand the girls the woman need to be interested in science technology uh and and they need to understand that there this is an area where they can succeed and have fun i mean for boys it's uh it's more natural you know those complex tech stuff they are interested in it but i think really now technology evolves we see it in our mobile apps there's a lot of it's more context aware more immersive experience that girls can understand and that it can be appealing for them so once they understand this is something for them then we need to promote them and encourage them as you say to have lead more leadership position and this is for men and women you know in the workplace to help them and i think also we need to understand that leadership does not have to be this immutable stereotypes model invented by men but there is a place in the business world for more collaboration more listening more empathy and more sustainable way also to drive economic success so i think all in all this could help uh having more woman in the workplace let me just carry out the research that came out this morning to say that actually there aren't as many women in ceo roles um as as we would like so it's important to understand that there's a lot more to be done but i interviewed a company called bankify recently there's a lady called marika she's based in belgium but the companies um so she's based in belgium the companies based in manchester and she was you know some of the stuff she's seen in 20 years of fintech and i've said these stories many times i could tell you many other examples but for example marika went to a conference and she was talking to these two people she's you know a leader in what she does in financial technology and payments technology and one guy turned to another guy and said she's more intelligent than she looks these are the kind of things that people have to deal with these are the stories that we try and publicize in business club it's not all about negativity it's not about that at all it's about shining the light on it some of the stories that you hear from investors when companies are trying to pitch some investors some of the questions that come back from they range from downright um inappropriate to their they they're set for a lens which doesn't lend itself to equality and i think that the targeted marketing is also something which is very very important i can tell you we're running a computer science department we're running several study programs computer science 90 male 10 female and then we're running a study program that we call medical engineering and you can study it in a flavor that is essentially computer science and from day one bachelor to the last day of the master 50 male 50 female and they are learning very very similar things so i think if you if you frame it right if you make it accessible if you create the right learning experience you can actually do it and make it much much more interesting also for female participants and i can tell you unfortunately we don't keep that level in the in the phd but in our lab we do like 70 medical engineering ai and medical and so on and we still get like 30 percent um of our phd students that are female but it's it's hard to keep keep up with that and we're trying to think of new things but i must completely say we need role models we need people who show how it can be done how to be successful in tech as a woman zoe some really interesting points there that the guys have made um what are your thoughts here about if we bring this back to influence what more needs to be done so that women are seen as more influential in in the tech space it is such a tricky one isn't it i mean i i can't disagree with anything these guys have said like right there you know i'm a mum of a two-year-old girl as well so it really just resonates on that level entirely um in terms of the influence piece i totally agree with sophie that yeah first we have to tackle the the issue of you know the women in tech first of all and then and then you know the influence hopefully will come it's it's um self sort of building isn't it will change over time but yeah as andrea said you know it'd be great to have a few more people um who can really be seen out there as as as those to follow or emulate um i guess what more can be done i mean i think i was thinking about this before and i think that really it's about working with the individual so as i've said we do see influence as a well-rounded thing and yes there are lots of different facets to it but i think also within organizations we just have to recognize that everyone actually does things in a different way you know man woman whether you're an introvert an extrovert even you know you like to operate in different ways and i think it's about bosses more senior people within an organization supporting their teams their women their you know their team members as individuals and sort of encouraging them in a way that works for them because you know what one person might feel comfortable with is not something that another person would feel you know naturally keen to do ie go out there and speak at a conference in front of 100 people or shout about everything on social media you know it's about i think identifying you know where the individual's strengths are and then nurturing that and it might be that it's talking to small groups to start with it might be that it's sort of just just one step in front of the other really i think jonathan if we just move this on slightly just to talk about journalism especially in you know the era that we found ourselves in this kind of covered era fake news seems to spread very quickly are you conscious of that in your publications and do you see a need to kind of need to correct the record and make sure everything is as as accurate as it can be yeah i think journalism has never been more important right i mean in the last few years have shown us that in in the bigger picture if you look at twitter and the trending topics on the right hand side as i see on my laptop anyway um it's quite encouraging to see more fact verification um in in there so we've always had a clear focus on speaking with founders like i said before and other parties in in technology and business and getting under the skin of that business and you know where did the idea come from for the business why is the technology necessary you know how are you going about building a sustainable business around it those questions haven't really changed um maybe the lens that you asked them through has changed a little bit because we're all a little bit more aware of of of these issues in the wider world but you know you we always have that you know if you talk to a founder they're always going to say yeah i've got this technology it's going to change the world yeah i'm going to you know like become a billion dollar company i'm a unicorn so it's our job to kind of put the perspective on that to say this is where we see the business you know it's impressive this is this problem they're trying to solve and this is the problems they may face so that that's not really changed sophie i'd love to come back to you now um the pandemic has dominated our lives doesn't it over the last couple of years what are your thoughts on the way that technology has responded to the problems that we've encountered yeah i think you know the pandemic has really been a huge accelerator uh regarding technology because we had to adapt so rapidly to the new ways of living working communicating and of course it was really tough and this sanitary crisis but i think it really revealed uh the dip how dependent we are on digital technology and and also how it helped us we've seen for example the test and trace you know applications the ability to do homework and schooling of course the increase of online shopping and banking and all the video calls we've been doing so it's also showed us major lags for example in cyber security and also some inability of some businesses to scale because they had to meet rapidly to the changing demands so you know in my opinion it revealed actually three main points the first of the real need to master telecology and how digital technology really underpins uh many of our business continuity we had to uh the the the pandemic has really clearly accelerated uh the pace of the digital world uh in many business and organizations the second point is the power of data and the data ecosystem we've seen it with kovite 19 you know vaccine creation where we have been exchanging data to increase and and and put those vaccine in place more quickly so really the notion of we need to share the data and build the ecosystem now is i think a real trend and maybe the the third point is uh the the pandemic has placed health but also social environmental uh consideration very much on the spotlight and we need to continue working in trust and addressing of course the cyber security challenges in sustainable solutions so yeah it changed because we worked with our customers on all those aspects and we continue to push you know for example the move to cloud uh to address those uh issues and uh and give solutions yeah absolutely i don't know if anybody else wants to come in there about how technology has shaped our lives and changed our lives andreas have you got any thoughts on this yeah absolutely i've been not in a lecture hall for almost two years now since the beginning of the pandemic we teach everything all night we do recording produce videos and then work within what the classroom have question and answer sessions very interestingly that for some lectures now with this boom and machine learning we have so many students that i think it gives us additional capacity to be actually able to to teach all those students and also not just in the lecture but also for the you know the programming exercises and so on you're in front of the pc anyway so it's very easy to connect with you know zoom or teams and then get a tutor and he helps you on your pc with programming exercise and this is all asynchronous and we used to have you know peak hours where the computer rooms were full and you wouldn't get a spot or you would have to wait for a tutor very long and then just post a message and you know tutor is also sitting there doing his asynchronous reading or teaching or learning and then just comes and and helps you so i think that isn't too bad but of course all the social things that you do at the university you know you don't want to miss that and i'm i'm very sad that many of our new students they haven't experienced that a lot in the last two years so there's also a big push of going back to the lecture and i can absolutely understand that yeah and how do you view the tech space in general in germany what what does the future hold for you and your work what other technological advancements are coming do you think well of course the whole machine learning element is going to progress further and we have quite a bit of trust issues with machine learning so we need to build more dependable systems also ethical ai is a big thing and yeah further ahead of course we already mentioned quantum computing there's the quantum machine learning community that's currently growing so these are all big trends that will probably happen and then again what i also think will become very important are things like the metaverse and the digital twin how you bring the world together in particular now in a pandemic where things are suddenly lighting up a bit and then you can go back to work but of course you don't want to miss all the digital progress that you made over the last couple of years so how to bring that together so i think this will be key technologies in the nearer to a little more far future jonathan you have your finger on the pulse of tech in the uk what do you anticipate happening this year and beyond in technology metaverse is definitely something that's been spoken about a lot and i think my one um thing with the metaverse is it's not owned by facebook um perhaps you know it has to be a practical reason for the technology digital twins as andreas said is a perfect example of there's a reason for it you can you can plan you know transport links in a city you know looking at how how you build that city for example i think building a virtual world for people to interact in itself isn't something that would necessarily appeal i think with all immersive technologies there needs to be a real reason to use it so it'd be interesting to see how that develops um you know just mirror really what sophie said you know healthcare as well um you know education technology you know these things we see these these the acceleration in these technologies we do these innovation rankings on business cloud called tech50 and we put across 14 different sectors last week we published our or recently we published our edtech 50 which is all about education technology companies that are using technology to help people you know whether it's students you know school children or workplace development learning remotely and different ways of applying learning using technology now that would have been it's probably what five years ahead of where it would have been if it hadn't been a pandemic um so we see that in every ranking that we do we see the the uptake as we vet the companies and look at them and see where they're going we see the uptake in how these technologies are coming along we see the new companies that have been created um so just i think there's just them going to be an increase in businesses across all sectors experimenting with new technologies ai has not been around that long we talk about it like it's been around for 20 years but ai in a practical sense is only a few years old really so obviously as andrea said that will that will come more and more into into things as well that totally resonates with what we've seen in the report actually each year we as well as looking at the key sectors that have been around for a long time the likes of fintech or consumer tech what it might be we always also cast just keep a bit of a watching eye on emerging sectors and um three from this year that that we're keeping an eye on based on just things beginning to bubble the number of influences beginning to grow are and quantum as you've said so kind of horizontal as the quantum quantum tech space but also space tech interestingly and also going back to what you're saying about different vertical sectors logistics and manufacturing which we haven't mentioned and you might think it's not a wowie buzz kind of area for tech but in terms of different vertical sectors using tech to be really transformational actually logistics and manufacturing is really really um one to watch i'd say yeah i introduced a business last week called the gould which is it captures hundreds of images of a car or a vehicle of some kind and it can identify using machine learning by using artificial intelligence and the cloud you know so it's instantaneous any dents any scratches any you know so rather than someone going around the car with a clipboard when it's raining trying to figure out whether someone's done to the car when they're you know when they're returning it actually says these are the areas you need to look at and that's at the end of manufacturing plants now you get to the end of the um the the production line and it can say oh you've put the wrong color grille on that on that car or you've not put the the turbo battery on the back or whatever it may be rather than have not been rectified for more money down the line and the customer being irate and annoyed and the car having to go somewhere to be fixed it gets fixed up on the site so that's one practical example of a starter which has seen massive adoption in the last two years and going back to what we were talking about a few minutes ago about women in tech and making sure that tech's really inclusive and open to everybody and getting people in it from the grassroots i mean i think the fact that we're all identifying these um use cases or examples of where tech is being used in every different sector of society every different type of business you know it's just so embedded isn't it you know with everything today that hopefully over time you know the picture will change i don't think it's just past the fabric of life yeah i think you're right so it's just you think of every aspect of our lives and they're all being influenced and impacted by this you know this wave of technology yeah absolutely sophie let's come back to you how do you view the current tech landscape in france and where's that heading in the years to come no but i i fully agree with the the trends you know uh jonathan andrea and so we uh gave i i could compliment and maybe i'll i'll talk not not only in france and europe i i mean as a whole i think we see a raising need for example for sovereignty meaning gaining control over your data where are they located who can access them uh do we master the technology that processes them uh who operates them uh is there any jurisdiction that will prevent my business from going on so i think this is a really uh very important trend the the other one i've already talked about the ecosystem and we've started i mean talking about digital twin it's a little bit you know linked to it because you want to share data so you want to have data from the real world and be able to deliver seamless services uh to the customers there's of course a big need for cyber security we said it and the threat landscape is extending so we need to protect ourselves of course the shift to cloud a little bit like ai we've been talking a lot about it for many years but you know how many real implementations and the uh use of the the the real native cloud technologies used in the modern applications so this will continue uh and of course i think that uh it's it's nice to see uh in france and in europe a renewing interest in developing those approaches approach sorry to to foster innovation and work collectively and have leadership on on sovereign aspects for example jonathan i don't know if you want to come in there at all and uh give a uk perspective on those issues yeah i think the sovereignty thing is really important i think you know privacy in general is is is has been in the news cycle for a couple of years now and every app you know one of the first questions that you ask is you know how are you guarding the privacy of of the you know your users and gdpr obviously had a massive impact on that as well and i think general as a general thing though for me it's also the spread away from cities so we shine a light on the companies around the uk if you're looking from the outside you know you think london is the epicenter of technology and yes you know it's a financial powerhouse and a lot you know there are thousands of technology companies there but a lot of the innovations are springing up around the uk now you know there's a move to hybrid working people don't need to go in the office people don't necessarily want to go into the office certainly not five days a week so i haven't spoken to someone at a think tank recently about how they see the property sector evolving they think there'll be a bit of a flattening of the cities so you know more uh co-working spaces on the outskirts of cities and the suburbs in small towns where you know for example i've got an office in manchester but we went off to manchester but actually we work in service offices in different parts of of the country wherever we're you know close to where we are you know it gives you that work-life balance um you know we go into an office for a specific reason and or to meet someone or to interview somebody but you know this morning for example we don't need to be in the office to do this podcast actually it may hinder the podcast because there's like loads of people running around it's a lot better to do it from home right so i think you'll see more and more people looking for that convenience and and also that helps you retain the staff as well if you if you enable people to be able to pick their kids up from school or whatever it may be in their life that's going on so i think you know that innovation will continue to spread to all corners of the uk and i don't know if the picture's the same in france and germany but yeah absolutely listen there are so many threads we could pick up on here and we could keep talking maybe zoe just to try and round this discussion off i could come back to you we said at the start the the tito tech 500 power list is in its fifth edition now let's look ahead to the next edition how do you see things changing there are we going to see similar patterns to the to this year's who knows yeah i think that um we'll see some commonalities i think we'll see you know trends emerge over time and i think some of the emerging sectors we've been talking about in the last few minutes will certainly um come through as well you know like i mentioned quantum i think metaverse will likely to be talking more about aren't we in the in the coming year or more and of course coming through the pandemic thinking about where we'll be by the time we launch our next report which will be around november kind of time it will be interesting to see won't it um what that report looks like to reflect the next few months of the work the new world order that we're coming through into living right now post covered um just bringing it back to influence though as well i actually um i was looking back over the reports we've done um on the tech 500 since we started it in 2017. and it just struck me there was a really interesting quote that somebody gave in the first report we did back in 2017 there was a man called jeremy waite from ibm and he had said he was he was ranked fairly highly on the list and he said that any true influencer never sets out to be an influencer um i think obviously if you're you know aiming to be a reality tv star then perhaps but we're not talking about today right so i think you know you never set out to be an influencer you set out wanting to change things which i think we'd hopefully all agree with in some way and i think it's he said it's the responsibility of all of us to influence whatever audience you've got however big or small and again going back to what we talked about with women in tech as well and different people in tech i think we just need to think about influence in a really human kind of well-rounded way like however small your audience is someone will be listening somebody will be like taken by what you're saying and be thinking about it and to me that's kind of what influence means really and he just said that you know the influence you've got shouldn't all be about getting people to buy more stuff it's about meaningful relationships which yeah how nice is that really that is what it's all about at the end of the day yeah that's a brilliant quote to finish off and i think you know that's endorsed by our three guests that we've had today so i'd love to thank you all for joining us and uh you know shining a light on what you do and technology in all your different spaces andreas thank you sophie jonathan and zoe thank you very much for taking us through the report we'll certainly look forward to the next report when that comes out in november time but for now as zoey mentioned at the top of the show you can read the full report and i'll give you the url for that which is tito pr.com forward slash title dash tech dash 500 power dash list 2021 a bit of a mouthful or you can find it on the youtube channel did you say as well zoe yeah absolutely on tita's youtube channel or on the special edition we did for our own uh without borders podcast as well so yeah thank you very much excellent so download that have a good read and you will see our three guests featured on that obviously we'd love to hear your comments on today's chat you can do that by sharing them on our facebook linkedin instagram or twitter feeds or you can do it on the comments of the youtube version of this podcast those are all linked from the top of our website at csuitepodcast.com

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