The Enigmatic Death of the Isdal Woman
This. Weekend bus students all we cover the case of the East doll woman one of the most mysterious cold, cases of all time and I know I say that a lot but not only are the culprits, suspicious, but the identity, of the woman itself, is a factor here so the mystery on on a mystery it's a layer two mystery I like a layered mystery it's like a two. Layer dip that you have at a Super Bowl party you know things about what these beans come from Oh what about that cheese put a little sauce on top three, layer dip there may be a third layer here I haven't even I'm not gonna disclose everything I'm getting hungry, for mystery. On. November, 29th. 1970. In the East Dahlin Valley near Bergen, Norway a family. On a Sunday hike discovered. The body of a woman wedged, between large, rocks, one. Of the first people on the scene and, the last one living police. Lawyer Carl hell more oh s--- remembers. The first thing they noticed, was the very strong scent of burnt, flesh the. Body was, severely, burned, and the, arms, were in a boxer, position, in the air common. In burned bodies, while. The front of the body including her face was, burned beyond recognition the, backside was, bizarrely, not, burned, the. Officers, were unable to tell how long she had been there or when she died, the, woman was believed to be about 5 feet and 4.5. Inches, tall aged, between 25, and 30, years old so. The. Front of her is burned but the back is not yes, and she's found on a hiking trail by a, family a family, who knows what burnt flesh, smells like well that was the description from the police, lawyer oh okay it would smell like barbecue, probably, probably yeah. I. Mean, barbecue is not gross no no why do you get what I'm. We. Are about animals yeah, that's, true, we are meat items, recovered from the body and scene included. Jewelry, a broken, umbrella bottles. A watch. Remnants. Of nylon, stockings, and rubber, boots. However, oddly, the. Jewelry, and watch were, not found on the body but, rather, beside. It as if, they had been placed, there all, of the identifying. Labels, on her clothes had been removed, even. The bottles found what the body had their labels rubbed off with. No clues, to her identity the. Police began, looking for a witness who might be able to identify her she, is referred to as, the East doll woman, stinks. Man yeah anytime, anyone's, got the labels removed on their things it's, very fishy very fishy I mean one thing you can infer is it does seem like there was another, person that may have been involved it just doesn't strike, me as an accident, nor does it strike me as something she would that was self-inflicted but why do they even why, did I do that with the clothes what if I'm a body, somewhere I don't have ID on me maybe but. They find my pants and. Go Levi's, huh. This. Must be Shane Maday well I mean if it's fancy, clothes they, could then go to fancy department stores, ask, if you've seen this person then go to the next step of identifying, them by their fancy I don't, know I mean that's just where my mind goes but then again I do have a superior detective mind, I don't know about that I I mean. I get why you could make that conclusion it just seems like, an. Unnecessary precaution, or. Very, thorough an, autopsy, of the body discovered, a large amount, of venema, a sleeping, pill in her stomach around 50, to 70, pills her, bloodstream, had not fully absorbed, them before her death, they, also found smoke particles, in her lungs which, denotes, that she was still alive while, she burned petrol. Was also found at the scene near her body and it was evident, that it was utilized, in the burning there, was also a high level of carbon monoxide in, her system a strange, bruise on the right side of her neck was also, discovered, after. The autopsy, the death was determined to be a probable, suicide due. To the sleeping pills and the carbon monoxide from, the fire 50. To 70 pills. Is, a lot you. Could see why they may have thought this may be a suicide but. They, weren't fully absorbed by the time of burning seems, odd to burn yourself. Seventy, sleeping pills why then go burning yourself let's set myself on fire in here if, I'm gonna die and, you. Say well you can go to sleep. You. Say that sounds like a good option or alternatively. We could set you on fire yeah we could do the thing that's generally, considered the worst way to die yeah I think, I'd go with falling, asleep yeah me too I think that would be a 99%, consensus. Just, remember these odd details, I've committed them to memory, good good Lock them in throw, the key out. Okay. You could swallow it too. In. Fact the, spot where she was found was the scene of many suicides, in the Middle Ages and also, where some unfortunate hikers, fell to their death in the 1960s.
Thus, Earning the title death valley from, locals, the, site was remote, difficult. To climb and, definitely. Not a hiking, path wait. You said this, was not a hiking, trail what's this family, doing out there I I considered. That first all right kids let's go for a little hike in Death Valley, I guess, maybe they want to challenge themselves you know sometimes, I go off the beaten path when it comes to hiking do you I'd like to challenge myself mentally, and physically, you're gonna die not something I would take my young family with it you have a young family well if I had a family I would not take them and be like hey let's go bouldering, yeah. The, people do that in Los Angeles though they had to close one of the mountains around here because people kept falling off valley people are weird yes, they are considering. The curious, state of the crime scene is, understandable. To be skeptical, of the ruling that it was a suicide, but. Before we dig into that lets, first provide, some context. By, attempting, to answer one, question who. Was this woman the. First major clue came, three days after, the body was discovered when. Two suitcases were, found at the train station in, Bergen, inside. The suitcases, was, a pair of non prescription, glasses with. The fingerprint. On the. The. Fingerprint. Was a match, to the ista woman effectively. Linking the suitcases, and all their, contents. To her, which, is important, since, the suitcases, contained. Several. Mysterious, items. Oh. That's. Fun, so, she's got some stuff in some suitcases, what, goes beyond suitcases, wait till we crack these bad boys open, the plot will thicken as they say I like. That you do appreciate a big pile of it okay. Inside. The suitcases, were, clothes wigs. A comb. Hairbrush. Makeup. Money, from Germany, and Norway as well as, coins, from Belgium, Switzerland and, the UK a tube, of eczema, cream was also, found in the suitcase but, the prescription, label that would indicate the patient and prescribing, doctor, had been removed the. Labels of the makeup had also, been removed and, the efforts to identify the brand's, failed. Beyond. These items, there, was one item that seemed particularly, promising. If not strange, to the police a notepad. With, a code written in blue ink a code. That, could not be cracked by the police, at, first but. We'll, get to that in a bit. I. Like codes well obviously one. Thing to glean, from that is the fact that the labels were also removed here, in her personal belongings that to me means the label of her clothes all that stuff that was found at the scene was. Maybe done by her not by a separate, party yeah which. Then gets you into the question of who she is right. The. Second, major clue also. Came from the suitcase and was a plastic bag from a shoe store about a hundred, and thirty miles, away in Stavanger Norway. Robert, fit the store owner's son described. Blue, celebrity, boots he sold to a woman about three, weeks prior the. Boots matched. The ones found at the scene, we called celebrity, boots because they were popular, at the time celebrities. Were wearing these boots therefore, he described them in celebrity, boots well he was just sort of a sort. Of a dumb guy who saw, something fancy, oh no these were just very popular, look at you with your celebrity. Boots Bert, vet gave a well detailed, account of her appearance, in summary. She, was well dressed medium. Height with, a round face with, dark brown eyes long, dark hair and had, a strange, odor to her that rod fit would realize years later was, garlic, why does it take him years to remember, what garlic, smells like yeah that's a bit I don't know I don't know if that's like I smell garlic I I jump.
Up I love garden yeah it's delicious cuz it always it smells good when you smell, it coming from a kitchen when, you smell it on someone who's just eating garlic it's a bit. Funkier. So, she just went. To chow down on some some, B's dicks and then decided let me go pick up some boots breadstix, boots. Burning. Myself alive. Brought. Fetch description, led police to saints fit in hotel in Stavanger where. The east all woman stayed under, the name vanilla. Lorch, however. When, police checked hotels back in bergen no, hotel, had admitted a woman named vanilla Lorch which. Brings us to our third major. Clue, the, coded writing, on the notepad it, turns, out vanilla, Lorch was not the woman's real name and in fact she, had at least eight names, that she used at hotels, around Norway, this, meant the, woman had multiple, passports. With differing, names, police. Were able to match up the names using, handwriting, analysis, on the hotel check informs and cross-referencing. It with the. Code found in the suitcase the. Numbers and letters in the code correspond. To the woman stay in all, the different cities for. Example owed, 3-0, B and v relates. To her stay in Bergen. From October 30th, to November, 5th but. Do you think that's her way of coding it so someone who reads it doesn't see it or is it just her own shorthand. For, because, you know if. That was all that was found in the suitcase that was odd I would maybe think okay it's just shorthand but, the fact that the suitcase also included wigs she, had multiple passports. She used eight different names and is curious most people only have one passport, if that yeah I don't think that contributes, to and all those I have, one passport, and I always I'm. Always looking for that darn thing after, examining, all the registrations. The police realized she mostly claimed to be from Belgium, when she registered, all of which were confirmed to be big Belgian, identities, they, also gained insight, of the woman's habits, by speaking with various, hotel staff for, instance she often asked to change rooms and she utilized, some German and Flemish as well as English. Additionally. They also described. Her as well-dressed. So. Maybe she's just a spy you, just said that like you'd me like I really I, mean like that's no I I mean, obviously was sitting on the back burner but yeah I'm just moving that pot to the front now yeah and that moved that to the front stir it around a bit crank it up watch a boil yeah different, work crawfish, in there yeah. Start looking those lips okay. The. Fourth major clue was, the east ol woman's teeth and tissue samples for. This clue let's, skip forward to modern times when, new scientific, developments, were applied to the investigation, a professor, of dentistry, named Giselle, bang well that's a cool name should sell bag to sell bang just. So bang. Yeah. That's like a good spy name I was gonna say you could say you've been banged but that has different connotations yeah, different, professor. Bang examined. The east doll woman's teeth covered. In fillings, and gold crowns and determined. The unusual, dentistry, may, have occurred in southern or Central Europe perhaps, even Asia, however. Before. The location, could be locked down professor. Bang unfortunately. Passed away in, 2011. And the, teeth. Hilariously. Were, rumored to have been thrown away because. They smelled, ah, smelly. Teeth, unsolved. Classic, right there. Let's. Take the evidence let's throw it away because I don't like it yeah. That's great I love it yet this toothy, tail doesn't, end here. What. All, right the. East all woman's missing teeth were later found at Hoagland, Hospital in a remote warehouse also, in that hospital were, tissue samples, that included the East aisle woman's heart lungs, spleen, and liver, among, others. They found the teeth yeah they found everything in a remote warehouse in a hospital, next to the Ark of the Covenant yeah, Covenant. Yeah and into, the cup, of Christ what the hell kind of warehouse is this I don't know yeah. The, East Hall woman's teeth were subjected, to an isotope, test which, determines, where the woman grew up based, incredibly.
On The, water she drank whoa, that's, badass yeah. Using, this test, scientists. Were able to pinpoint an area, near the France in Germany border, where the ista woman likely grew up DNA. Testing, revealed the East our woman was of European, descent possibly. From North America though. Her, poor English would suggest otherwise. By, the way I would want to point out her. Poor English any accent. In general, if she is in fact a spy that all goes out the window to me uh. Hotel. Room. Me. There, you go you're, history, European now what I was getting at is the, fact that the. Isotope, test may have pinpointed. Her in America, she. Could have very well been American. Oh funny, test if it says either, Germany, or America. I. Mean, I'm still very impressed, by the test but not so much the results well she's either from Europe or America that's, you, know she's not from China with. The East all woman's features and backgrounds, starting to materialize. Out of the darkness new. Police sketches were drawn of her in 2016. That's, pretty good she. Looks like someone from the Americans yeah. In. May 2017. A black, notice is sent out through Interpol, with the ista woman's DNA attached, in hopes, to find new leads and with, that we. Arrive at the end of the clues yet. The, question persists. Who, was this woman as some, of you might have already wondered, many, suspect, she was a spy let's. See if that claim has any weight obviously, the. Case file is quite peculiar, but, external, factors, such as the ongoing Cold, War also, catalyzed, speculation. That the East I'll woman, in fact a spy. Perhaps, connected, Norway. Was revealed to be home to Russian spies and Mossad, agents, from Israel, a mere, three years after the East all woman's death in fact. For. Mossad agents, were questioned, about the Easter woman however. None. Of the agents, claimed to recognize, her or any of the east all woman's aliases, but also, remember, their, spy what are they gonna do oh yeah, I killed, her that, lady I killed, do. You want to know all the confidential, details of my spying okay why don't you ask me in the beginning that's, the thing about spies, and, I. Think a lot of, intelligence. Deaths, like this I. Would bet that a vast, majority of. These deaths, yeah I'm just unreported, I think. They're professionals, yeah I mean they're made to not exist right so they're, ghosts, you're. Trying to catch ghosts, which is we know, it's pretty it was pretty hard around the time of the murder Norwegian, intelligence, agencies, looked into the case of the Easter woman due to the odd circumstances. Surrounding it, a week, after the discovery or North TAFTA, and Bjorn long bakka of the police Security, Service began investigating. The case or North, TAFTA, says he was called by the Bergen, chief of police to, investigate whether, there was anything, connecting. The strange case to, spying while. Their team ultimately, decided, the death was an accident, Toffler, remarks. That it doesn't mean the woman was not involved in espionage. He claims her false passports. Point to the possibility, of her being a quote illegal. Agent, end quote, here's, the Bergen police crime commissioners, response, in an interview, a few weeks, into the investigation, after. Being asked, about the, role of espionage. In the case quote. We. Have no proof of that no. We, can safely say I'd, go further to say we've completely, eliminated, that possibility. Quote however. The. Norwegian, surveillance, agency denied. Involvement until. 2002. No. Offense to this, Commissioner. But I feel, like spies. Methods, or the way, they cover their tracks or. Their away, their organization. May cover their tracks it's, probably gonna be a little more thorough to the point where some rinky-dink police, officer, isn't, gonna be able to above, his pay grade perhaps, then. Again they did have no region intelligence, agencies, look into the case so he didn't do the case investigation.
Himself, He reached out to them to have them do it but. What, is the Norwegian, surveillance, agency gonna say yeah we cooked the lady knew. Pabich a crime, reporter, covering the case says, he was given Case Files to write an article about the East all woman in the 1970s. In the, files he, found an envelope containing, a cassette, tape however. The, envelope, was marked, with a warning that, said it should not be opened, without express. Permission from. The supervisor, as such. The envelope, was never opened, and I can find no record of what, was on that tape, well. Why didn't they open it that's one of my question I was gonna listen to some, ink yeah I'm gonna let you listen to a yellow sticky, when it comes to that far in the case no come on crack, that thing open bust, out your walkman it better be padlocked because, the yellow sticky and stop in the old Bergmeister, we're tearing right into it he's doing an investigative, article, he's an investigative, crime reporter, and, he just stops it a because. Someone tells him not to I guess that would make a real for a real thrilling, movie. Sometimes. Oh we heard about this thing at Watergate, but they told us not to look into it. Sometimes. You got to play by the rules I guess I don't know. Finally. As further, proof that the Easton woman may have been a spy her, habits, in situation, were also, suspect, just, to recap, she had multiple passports. And used fake names, she had wigs wrote in code and all, identifying, labels and marks on her belongings were, scratched off either, by her or by somebody else. She, also seemed to have quite a bit of money to dress so well traveled to each country / City and then. Afford. All the hotels that she stayed in other, than that there's, nothing concrete. It, appears, the East all woman is as elusive after. Death as she was when she was living all, this, considered, we now return to the original question how. Did she die let's, get into the theories the, first theory, is that it was a suicide as originally. Determined, returning. To the autopsy. 5270. Sleeping pills were found in her stomach officials, see this as a sign of suicide, as it would be hard to force someone to consume, that many pills in multiple, doses though. Due, to the odd detail. Surrounding, the case many, including. Officers, involved doubt.
That Suicide, is the true answer, you, could make somebody swallow pills you point a gun at them and you say swallow. These pills if, you know someone's either gonna shoot you in the head or you could again fall, asleep okay sure but logically. Let's go through that okay, I'm gonna have you swallow, 50, to 70 pills you know then I'm gonna set you on fire. Sure. How. Does that make sense yeah it's a little fishing also let's. Go through it as if it was a suicide okay she goes I'm gonna swallow a shitload of pills a lot of pills now I'm gonna set myself on fire that doesn't make any sense either doesn't make a ton of sense unless the pills were a backup, like she thought oh maybe if I set myself on fire it's, not gonna work unless she's, just not in her right mind she, takes the pills she's. Sure they're gonna work but they haven't worked yet, she's. Concerned. They're not gonna work so she goes for the fire I don't know I missed it there's. An awl when you consider the fact that the, method of death doesn't, really coincide, with suicide, and that she had all these other external factors that maybe suggests she was involved in some weird things mmm, doesn't seem to me like a, way of committing suicide also a spy' suicide, seems like they have like a few things you'd be better at that yeah cyanide, pill I tell you one thing you don't need fifty do those really work as quick as they do in the movies I think, so cuz, yikes when they bite down I'm in the movies they're like oh are you going to kill me. And. Then there's like foam right away I don't know how that stuff works gotta be honest that's abundantly, clear yeah we're, not gonna do any kind of light trials. Till. The series finale yet. The. Second, theory is that it was an accident, on the scene, officer. Suspected she may have been burned by flames which she might have fallen into and, responded. By jumping, backward, away from the flames and over, the cliff the, police security service. As mentioned, before, ultimately. Decided, that the death was an accident, one. Questionnaire, uncovered, by this service revealed, that she had a large can of hairspray which. In theory could, have been dropped in a bonfire she, had built the, result would, be an explosion, causing. Her burns and ultimately. Her, death though. This, doesn't seem to explain the Petroff found at the scene that was utilized in her burning, furthermore. There, would also be evidence, of an explosion I'd assume I'm. Already. Burning. A. Petrol, shower and amongst rocks it doesn't mean any sense no the third and final theory, is that she was murdered her, possible, life of espionage, would undeniably, lend itself to a veritable list of enemies so. It's, not unthinkable that, somebody, would want her dead returning. To the crime scene the, jewelry and watch were, not found on the body but, beside it as if, it had been placed there and sure, this, could have been the last acts of a person committing suicide, but, if her, true plan was to commit suicide why, set herself on fire adding. To this is nobody, seemed to have an explanation of, how the fire started, other than the wild hairspray, theory returning. To the autopsy, there, was a strange, bruise on the right side of her neck the crime reporter, mentioned before nude harvick also, wasn't convinced, on the ruling quote. Personally. I'm totally, convinced. That this was a murder she, had various, identities she, operated, with codes, she wore wigs she, traveled from town to town and, switched, hotels after. A few days this. Is what the police call, conspiratorial. You. And quality. Yeah she had wigs she had codes, she had passports, she switched hotels she, wanted people not to follow her yeah of course she was murdered yeah that just makes sense idiots I know I felt, like it was rather clear yeah I mean, the person if they were murdering. Her could. You, why, not just shoot him I guess then maybe they traced the bullet to your gun I don't, know yeah well you're not exactly I would.
Say The pinnacle of espionage, I could, be I don't think you could be look I'll wear fake mustaches, I'll wear a wig people won't know it's me so you're gonna wear the, mustache is gonna cover up your eight foot limbs does that help no there's, plenty of tall people in the world if I were a mustache, and a wig and say hello I'm banjo, McLintock nobody, will know. Well. They'll think I'm a different person I, don't think so I think I'd make a better spy I don't think you would yeah just for my physical requirement, no yeah, you'd be shaken no. This. Is my real name I promise why, would I be so scared at that you're scared of everything I'm scared of the hotel check-in manager yeah sure you are I don't think so unless it's that situation, where like normally, you're a timid scared man but, when you step into the shoes of say, Ricky Gold's worth yeah then suddenly you, become the most confident, man and that's the point of a disguise but can, you overcome your the. The timidity, that, is yes yeah hardwired. To you I think so I think that's more likely than you shaving off a couple feet from your limbs despite. The official ruling, being a suicide, many. Officials involved seemed shaky, on that prospect, to say the least police. Lawyer Karl how war os-- claims, that no one in the Bergen Police Department, really believe that claiming. The location, and nature of the death seemed, to odd to be a suicide a chemist, for crit Bose the National, Bureau of crime and investigation, in Norway who, attended, the autopsy. Said, quote now. As then I'm in doubt when it comes to what really happened on the site and how the fire developed, it is difficult, to be a hundred percent sure all, in, all I support. The 1970. Report but, there, is a considerable, uncertainty. And it is impossible, to rule out that, this was either a homicide, or an accident. And quote the police chief Espeon, brynne ruled, the case a suicide. Even, though just, days earlier he. Made it clear that case would remain unsolved. Until the woman's true identity, was found let me ask you two questions two questions was she a spy yes, or no I would say yes was. She murdered where. She wasn't, an accident, or was it a suicide I would say she was murdered okay. So we could get those two things out of this I would say to me I'd say murdered spy what, about you I think so too okay where, that takes us not far we don't still we still don't know her name we still don't know who murdered her but such was the nature of spies it's a start she, was a damn good spy, if we, don't even know who killed her in the end the, Easton woman was given a Catholic, funeral on February, 5th.
1971. As the, police guess she may have been Catholic based on what information they had tulips. And carnations, sat atop her zinc coffin a coffin. That wouldn't, decompose, in hopes, that one day the coffin could be moved to a more fitting resting place if someone, were to claim her that. Day has, yet to come as for, now the, mystery, of the Easton, woman remains. Unsolved. Sometimes. When your spy yeah you got you got a die that's like that comes in the Job Description I guess so you. Don't sign up to be a spy thinking I'm gonna be here gonna be tenured day. One you sit down in spy class the professor says look to your left look to your right one. Of these people is, gonna, set you on fire today. That's. What spies do.
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she was on the run, from some spies
i live in norway, AND NOT TOO FAR AWAY BERGEN!
Maybe she was trying to get away? Like a DIY witness protection program, ya know. She clearly was very careful to the point of being paranoid, if she even cut and smudged the labels. Maybe the woman was running from the mafia, or someone higher up. In the end they finally got her, had her suitcases delivered to the station or where it was they were found. Tried to make it look like a suicide, but screwed up somehow, idk. That's why the investigators couldn't really link her to anything, because someone on top could have been covering it up. Probably not, but still a very interesting case. Love these little animated edits and played out scenes. Adds a very nice touch and creates a cool atmosphere.
Walking into Shane’s house, but instead of having a ‘Live, Laugh, Love’ sign over the mantle, there’s a ' DIE, cry, hate'
if she was murdered, then it actually makes sense that the murderer set her on fire. they didn't want the police to identify her. the murderer forced her to take the pills and set her on fire (thinking she was already dead) to hide her identity. her identity can maybe lead to the identity of the murderer. if her identity had been known, they could have asked around and people who knew her or had seen her could help with the case. if she was a spy, then it was obvious she had enemies... who knows, but it makes sense to me
have you ever thought the fire was set recently by the (maybe)The family
The adjectives they use in the titles keep getting better and better.
She is some kind of spy or secret agent she was probably on a mission and then got murdered
I believe this woman was a traveling cabaret performer or high end courtesan, rather than a spy. Women in these professions who go missing often leave no indication to their real identities/whereabouts, and are sometimes killed in odd, mysterious ways. Most compelling to me is that she used many fake names. Sure, a spy could use many fake names... but why all the different cash, wigs, and long hotel stays in metropolitan cities? Also, sex workers are sometimes known to remove tags to clothing to prevent the tags from showing later on. Or this woman could've had a compulsion for removing labels from all her belongings. *shrug* Just some food for thought from a fellow sex worker who enjoys conspiracy videos after a long night shift at the strip club.
I love this series ❤️
Shane is the only thing that keeps me from pissing myself
maybe the fire bc she or someone else didn't want her to be identified. maybe she was a spy and she decided to commit suicide but as a spy she has to die unidentified. so she has to burn herself and to make it less painful the sleeping pills and that's why she burnt alive since she had to set the fire.
The accident theory doesn't make much sense to me at all. Not only does it not explain the gas canister, but it doesn't explain the 50-70 sleeping pills either. How would she accidentally consume that many? I think murder is most likely, but if she wanted to keep her identity concealed even in death, setting herself on fire does make some sense.
maybe it was suicide, she took the pills hoping that they would sink in BEFORE she burnt herself to hide her identity. she burnt herself because she didn't want anybody knowing who she was.
My theory: her cover was found out she was informed of it and she had last rites with alcohol and took the pills the informant had to wait till she passed out or died from the pills and then remove her identity by burning her face, but they were running out of time and so the partner probably didn’t wait u till she was fully “out” and burnt her. Like a cleaner he had to get rid of her luggage and items. My question is why didn’t he just burn her luggage? Unless the partner was also found out or was being followed and didn’t have time? Still a bit odd
Maybe the mark on her neck happened when she was “found” out and so her face was known
Well if she was a spy, of course she would have enemies but what if she killed herself to get out of some serious trouble. And why not check the bracelets for finger prints? Wouldn’t there be some on it?
Why can't she be a prostitute or something
Well if it was a suicide..the pills are the main “weapon” to her death. So as she takes off labels off bottles, clothes and makeup her face is also a “label” so to hide her identity she set herself on fire while she was still awake before she fell asleep to her death.
if she was a spy, and she did commit suicide, burning herself wouldn't be the worst idea, because people still aren't able to uncover who this girl is, bc she's burned away a majority her identity
Could it be that she wanted to conceal her identity by burning herself alive. And then trying to confuse investigators by ingesting all that sleeping pills? But all in all I think she was a spy.
I mean I have two passports with two different names. Not a spy, just binational.
loved the office reference lol
Maybe she set herself on fire to protect or hide her identity? If she was a suspected spy it'd kinda make sense? .w.
How about this theory. What if she knew she was going to get killed so she consumed the pills, but then they got to her before the pills worked and burned her alive.
real quick though, you don't just fall asleep when you overdose, it can actually be incredible painful because of organ failure, seizures, and other factors. the ld50 of pills varies too, so who knows if it was actually enough to knock her out AND kill her, or just make her really sick. i'd say that she took all the pills herself or was forced too, but then there was an uncertainty as to whether it would actually kill her, so she was then burnt. or perhaps the burning was an afterthought, and she fell asleep from partially absorbed pills, and then was set on fire to destroy evidence of her face and what she looked like, but she was only asleep and not dead at the time. idk
I think she killed herself because perhaps the job was becoming too much for her, and then her employer/handler set her on fire to cover her identity.
Maybe she was in a bad situation and was trying to get away from it until they found her and killed her
Why am I watching this at midnight...
everyones blowing this out of proportion. she wasnt a spy. she was probably mentally ill. she was running from something all the freaking time. she spent her life hiding. its the 70s, mental health stigma is huge. im guessing she had hallucinations and delusions. she couldve tried to burn it out of herself to finally have peace.
she set herself on fire so she wont be identified,
Yo she must have been an undecover secret agent
You should do the Peter Bergmann case!
Idiot theory 1: She had to burn her old body. Rumor has it the Isdal Person still exists today, switching bodies as they begin to age. Idiot theory 2: The spy organization she was part of had a death clause, operants had to die afters x years. She tried to escape, hence the gallivanting across diff cities. Finally she realized the organization was closing in on her. She took the pills but it was too late, she was found, taken to the valley, and burned. Idiot theory 3: Aliens.
The labels on clothes can give an idea of the class of the victim.
Garlic was not used that much or not at all in cooking at that time in Norway/Sweden. You had to buy it at the drugstore because it was seen as medicine. So he probably had no idea what she was smelling of at the time of there meeting. And here in Sweden we started using it widely when imigrant workers came in the 70s and we got Pizza and so on.
I want to agree that it was murder too. In martial arts, it’s common knowledge that a hit to the neck would stop blood flow to the brain and ultimately make her black out. She wouldn’t do that to herself
can you do the Pyjama girl mystery?
would suicide be possible? She could have downed the pills to fall asleep and minimize the time it takes to feel pain from the fire. What if she burned herself right after to conceal her identity?
you guys should look into turning this series into a podcast! :)
I support the Mossad agent theory, especially if we go with thinking it's a suicide because imo the only kind of person who would have the mental fortitude for that is a Mossad agent.
The labels were removed from her clothes? There is a chance she could have removed those herself, right? Like sometimes the tags stab me or are just really uncomfortable and I remove them... Hm... Not sure xD
Maybe it was just a really bad sunburn
i love these series please keep on doing this
Maybe she killed herself, but didn’t want her identity to be revealed, so she burned her face... just a theory, but it is possible. Maybe she left her things aside because of personal attachment... but also maybe the people that made her swallow the pills burned her face so her identity wouldn’t be revealed... it goes both ways
I'm 10:59 into the show and I'm calling it; She's a spy for either the Eastern Bloc ( Soviet Union) or the Western Bloc. (United States) and she was killed during cold war.
I’d like to say I’d make a good detective...but I’m easily paranoid and would go crazy thinking the killers I investigated were after me
Those wheezes are funny but I don’t think that’s healthy for the body or a good sign...
I like the new style of the videos guys! Showing visual scenes, I like.
Do a unsolved on phantom killer
What if it was that the victim was about to commit suicide (after taking so many sleeping pills) and another person knew that so the person took advantage and killed her.
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About the clothes tags being ripped off, some people used to have their names on the inside of suits and jackets or really anything that went to a dry cleaner
theory: she was captured and tried to commit suicide. her captor burned her body for whatever reason. idk man this is weird af
i think she burned her self like started the fire than hid the jerry can but...... i dont know why her jewelry was there
maybe she took that many pills cause she thought the more pills the faster you sleep so then she thought since she thought she will sleep faster then burn herself she wont feel the pain
maybe she set herself on fire thinking that her corpse would just be dustified
suicide actually seems probable. She took the pills to die more peacefully, then could have set herself on fire so that her body could be unidentifiable.
I have a theory. She was a witch and her spell went wrong.
idk why I'm so against the theory of her being a spy I'd say a con woman, a profession thief idk but she was definitely a criminal. how many timeshave you heard of a spy removing the tags from their clothes?? and she was definitely murdered for sure maybe by someone she did wrong
Or she was on the run from someone or a group,and her death was with the fire and pills to make sure that she was definitely dead because people have survived terrible fires and burns
Please do Madeleine Mccan!
I hate when people say X A MA instead of X EM A
The olfactory senses are the most capable of remembering memories. Ex: smelling cookies reminds you of grandma. That’s probably why the man was able to remember years later.
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What if the isdal woman tried to commit suicide by fire but couldn't handle the pain and swallowed all the pills to hopefully fall asleep and not feel the pain
Maybe her cover was compromised so she had to burn herself to make sure no one knew her identity?
Baby girl is an escort, just touring. She probably even ran rings or drugs with all the identities
Maybe she set herself on fire to make sure her body was unidentifiable?
If she did kill herself and was a spy, maybe her decision to set herself on fire was her final attempt of concealing her identity. She was burned beyond recognition, and still no one knows who she was, so maybe it worked out the way she wanted. That, or 100% she was a murdered spy.
My theory is that she did try to kill herself via pills and burned herself (specifically her face) to conceal her identity
*shane: im getting hungry for mystery*
Maybe she set herself on fire to make herself unrecognizable ?
What about the people who saw her on the trail earlier with two men?
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IT SMELLS LIKE FRUITY GARLIC
she's a spy
Garlic was not common in Norway at that time- that's why he realized later what it was...
I've never heard of this case. It's really interesting. I really think it was murder. I think what happened was she hid who she really was or what she was doing and then someone found out, and maybe she was sent a note to meet and this person met with her but didn't actually with her. She left and he followed her and questioned her. She didn't say anything and took all those pills. She thought they would work but didn't and he sent her on fire and pushed her off the cliff. I really think she was a spy. Another case that is unsolved and you should do is the mysterious death of Carolyne Byrne.
Ok now yall have to do a video all about russian spies
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So I just realized that the Somberton Man and this case have similarities. They both were off the grid, had their tags removed, and had a mysterious code in their possession. Not sure what to do with it, but I was re watching these and thought it was interesting :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkW3rMkxvqY&list=PLVAvUrL_VQiNxhE8uD_y3bRt3sU92aulL
“Hallo” “Dank you well”
You guys should do the Benny Evangelista case
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I guess the only explanation for the fire if it was a suicide would be to make it so no one would be able to discover who she was. If some agency or something is hunting her, the last thing she would want is to be traced back to who she worked for, her family, etc. Don’t know about the sleeping pills. Could be that she was hoping to be able to pass out before burning ?
heres my theory! when you said that she had a bruise on her neck...i thought that maybe that wasn't a murder and maybe IF she were a spy then her boss or whatever would have threatened her by just simply trying to choke her but then the guy stop OR when she had that bruise of her neck then maybe when she put on her last disguise maybe someone or herself try to hurt her! IDK JUST A THEORY
Maybe the sleeping pill were so she would be asleep when she was burning but it is still weird
well spies are trained to be very mentally strong, so perhaps her mission was compromised so she swallowed the pills, and lit the fire to make it seem like an accident
Just a thought but maybe she was someone with a mental illness like schizophrenia or a multiple personality disorder It would explain the wigs, the passports and the different names. About the label thing people with a mental illness sometimes do unexplainable things That's maybe why she tried to kill herself and put her jewellery away, because her illness was too much to handle or one of the voices is her head wanted her to do it
Who else remembers the tense music at the end and they always travel or sleep at a haunted place but they don’t do that anymore some of this unsolved mystery aren’t even that scary anymore
You guys should do a video on the Jersey Devil
I bet there was some spy reason that she had to kill herself, so she used the pills for a painless death and then afterwards her spy buddy burned her body to destroy evidence of her existence
She could've possibly knew she was going to die that day and took the pills but someone murdered her before the pills kicked in
What if she was mentally unwell and paranoid that someone was following her, so she joined in on suspicious behaviors (similar to that of a spy) so people she thought were following her couldn't find her. Maybe she decided she would kill herself, didn't want anyone knowing who she was, because of her paranoia, so she takes her sleeping pills, hoping that will ease the pain or whatever of the fire (or something similar to that sort of thought). That would explain why she was alive when she was burned, because she did it to herself, not to kill herself, but to hide her identity. It would explain the disguises, maybe not the maturity of the passports, but money would get you a lot of places. To be honest, I think you'd be looking for a blonde women. Yes, you can use wigs, but dying your hair would be helpful too. Doubtful she'd have black hair because it's harder to dye your hair lighter and doubtful it'd be any other color, simply for satistics sake. Anyway, this is just a theory, that would explain everything, no matter how outlandish. Another thing thought to note, is that you mentioned the Cold War, I think a lot of people became paranoid during this time. Maybe not to this extent, but it could account for the timing. Similar to after the Russian Revolution we had the Red Scare and became paranoid of communism. Just food for thought.
what if she was a spy, someone came close to her and to destroy any information she could give out if possible tortured, she tried to kill herself with the pills and then was burned by that someone.
Go to a hotel in Victoria, British Columbia called, “The Empress” it’s haunted and Victoria itself has a lot of history and stuff like what you guys do! I’ve gone to Victoria many times because I live in Vancouver, but I think it would be really cool if you guys could check Victoria out and go there :)
The reenactments look cheap. You should stick with the tried-and-true format you had before. Also, spies? The stuff you guys are talking about sounds more like something you'd see in a Mission: Impossible movie than in reality. It's possible her original intention was death by self-immolation, and the pills were meant to be some sort of improvised pain killer.
Oh Shane....
these guys need to go ghost hunting with shane dawson and his squad.
I think there was a fire but her foot triped and she turned around to fight off the fire(that someone started)
the tall guy at 0:45 has to be shane hahaha
But..I have 2 passports..DUN DUN DUN
I was thinking, if she was in fact a spy, maybe she did commit suicide and used the burns to cover up her real identity as maybe it could put her family in danger or many other things?
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Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television, North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe. RYAN STARTED THE FIRE!!!!!
maybe she was burned so she can't be identified?
Ive lived in Bergen for 13 years and have never heard of this case before! So interesting and creepy!
It _could_ be a suicide and maybe she set herself on fire to hide her identity
Was anyone else reminded of friuty garlic?
I read the top of the description wrong it wasn’t “wanna get some merch woman!”...
So when do we get a collab with Ricky Goldsworth and Banjo McClintock?
The reanacatmen at 27:01 was quite creepy
Sounds to me like a drag queen who's Grindr meet up on the hillside went terribly wrong.
Omg I'm from Norway and I absolutely love the way you pronounce all of the names and cities. It's hilarious, 10+ stars for you
i think this is a suicide cos if she's a spy she would have able to protect herself in any circumstance
There was no explanation involving the broken umbrella. It would explain why it was broken if she accidentally fell to her death. Alternatively, it’s possible that, assuming she was a spy and was murdered, she could have used the umbrella to fight someone off if she were caught off-guard (there was no gun/weapon found on the body), OR the umbrella could have been used to knock her out (hence, the bruise on her neck, and there’s no telling how long that bruise was there) then her assailant could have attempted to burn her alive, thus explaining the smoke in her lungs, the petrol can and only one side of her being burnt (as she was already laying down)
She could honestly be a prostitute? would explain the identities, wigs, makeup, etc. clients often get murderous...
Hey guys what about an Italian unsolved mystery? I suggest you the monster of Florence, look it up!
why case MH370 theories/conspiracies still not discuss here.
I just love the dry desert landscape of Norway.
and i loved this episode
do the buckskin girl case!!!
OK, so I know I'm kind of late to this party but I think she was indeed a spy and she knew someone was coming for her. I mean 'sometimes when your're a spy you gonna die' and obviously she knew about it, so she carried abnormal amounts of sleeping pils with her. So my theory is: it's both suicide and murder. Whoever came for her, she was prepared for her death and took all of those sleeping pills, she got sleepy and numb (probably) and couldn't feel much of they did to her. So tried to ease whatever she thought was coming for her. Idk if that makes sense only to me, or what.
I need more Ricky Goldsworth ;;-;; Anyone else?
Couldn’t there be product numbers on the clothes that help identify the origin in which they were made. After that point you could go to the batch ticket numbers in which the product numbers were placed and find out which stores they were placed to be sold. By cross referencing this stores in which the clothing was located you could then find the general area in which the victim lived. Just cross reference missing person in the area to the woman’s basic description then you could find her. The process might be harder if she had nomadic tendencies however it could be possible with extensively studying travel records of missing persons
The fire could be used to conceal her identity and the pills could help with the pain
She got killed by Americans CIA if she was a Russian spy SOLVED
If it was a suicide she set herself on fire to hide her identity one last time.
So is it possible she could of been breathing the smoke while she was passed out from the overdose before it killed her?
I think she was a spy and she became comprised so she took the pills herself as like a spy honour suicide but they were too quick when they caught up to her and the fire was torture to try to get information out of her.
I’m from Europe and here you need a doctors prescription for sleeping medicine
9:25 dressing at H&M, huh, Ryan?
oh my god. Mary, John's wife, is REAL!
What if it was an assisted suicide and she committed suicide in order to protect her agency or country. She took the sleeping pills to fall asleep and stay asleep while someone else set her on fire in attempts to get rid of her remains
CONWOMAN or spy and definitely murder
she could've been compromised and had to kill herself, taken the pills, and then lit herself on fire to remove any recognizable characteristics, considering that if she were a spy being recognized could've compromised someone else or a situation.
She might have swallowed the pills because she knew she was going to be set on fire, so she wanted to die or at least fall unconscious before the burning started. Would make sense if she was a spy or something; she may have realised that they were going to do that to her to destroy her face so she wasn’t recognisable, and as a spy she knew it just had to be done, so she’d might as well make it as painless as possible. If there was only a small amount of smoke in her lungs, then it would make sense she was shallowly or not really breathing (maybe already unconscious or brain dead?), because I know if I was set on fire I’d probably be hyperventilating lol
You guys do such an amazing job reenacting scenes
Europeans and "Americans" are the same "Americans" are Europeans. That's just a fact that i want to disclose. Know your history please. Thank you.
I definitely like the mysteries more than the ghost stuff
This is a theory but what is the person who killed the Isdal woman, WAS the Isdal woman. Stay with me on this one- based on eye witness accounts and people who have talked to her and police evidence it is clear she had dealings in illegal trade. She was involved in something shady. She possibly had ties to the black market, and could have done dealings in illegal antiquity. She could have access to passports through her black market ties. If she was a spy her murder would have done much more professionally. But aside from hiding the identity they were sloppy. So it was not the work of spies, it was the work of a amateur. The Isdal woman was probably a criminal dealing in illegal antiquity and black market dealings. At some point she probably did not want to do this anymore but she knew in her line of work she could not just walk away. She carefully faked her own death. She removed all of her own identification, intentionally left suitcases behind that would suggest evidence it was ' her' but left nothing behind that could actually identify a body. Everything found on her or belonging to her carefully had any indication of PERSONAL identity removed but left behind evidence that indicated that the body and belongings had to belong to the same person, making it seem that the woman they found was the same woman whose possessions they found. The Isdal woman was real but the body they found was not hers. I think that in order to get out she knew she had to kill someone similar to her and make it look like it was her. She was gone for several days suggesting she was scouting someone who was low profile who would not be missed, struck up friendship, and built trust. She told this new found friend that they should go out and set up a picnic. The Isdal woman probably used sleeping pills in an effort to have the death be ' painless' cause there was quite a bit of them. She could have laced the alcohol with a couple and when the person was in a sedated state she forced more down the throat in an effort for that person to have a ' painless' death cause I am sure this woman was not a killer in nature.Only out of a desperate way to get out of a dangerous criminal world. That is why the pills were not dissolved in her system. That and the Isdal woman knew she had to work fast and thought being unconscious equated death, and probably hit her in the head after she was unconscious to try to make sure she was actually dead when she wasn't- set her on fire and stragetically placed all items that could have stuck out associating with her around the body. Things people could remember. She also walked around the forest in attire she KNEW would make her stick out so that she would be easy to remember and place her there as the body that was found, so people would believe that it was her they found when it wasn't. If you think about it it DOES make sense. And whoever that body was was probably someone who would not have been missed, and the Isdal woman lived the rest of her life having whoever she wanted to get away from thinking she was dead.
She probably set herself on fire to further conceal her identity. she got got and so she offed herself. boom
Let's just say this was a suicide. What if she was a spy but didn't want to be identified so she burned herself to hide her identity. And what if her taking all those sleeping pills at once act as a numbing type sedative so she didn't had to suffer while she was on fire.
Am I the only one who thinks she wasn’t a spy, but maybe a prostitute???
Back in the day people used to sew their names in the tags of their clothes so maybe that’s what it’s referring to rather than the store in which it was purchases
Im not smart but i think that she had multi personality disorder. That can explain the wigs and different passports. And sleeping pills might be something to do with the disorder. Maybe she was trying to start a fire and then she switched personalities to a suicidal personality. That is probably the worst explanation
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It's such a tiny thing, but I love the new variety in the motion text. The hard cuts to reveal "that's fun" at 6:41 were just enough to make Shane's tone twice as funny.
she might have set herself on fire because she didn't want her identity known after she killed herself, this also explaines why her back side wasn't burnt.
I think she knew that she'd been caught and to avoid interrogation she took the pills hoping she would die. This probably didnt work fast enough and was tortured anyway.
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definitely sounds like a suicide of either a paranoid woman who thinks shes being followed or a woman who was actually being followed that didnt want to be found.
Gosh, I have been living in Bergen for the last 7 years and have been through IsDalen ('The Vally of Ice' in Norwegian) several times and never knew of this incident. I am now petrified to go back there again :S
She removed her label, her face, like she did all the other labels in her life.
I think it is a murder because when you take that much sleeping pills , you might feel really sleepy and get dizzy . I doubt that she committed suicide . It might be that someone forced her to get between those rocks , forced her to take that many sleeping pills thinking that she be too sleepy and can't fight back the murderer but he was mistaking because it takes time for the sleeping pills to fully work ,that explains the weird position she was in , she was hot and the fire was hurting her face , she was using her hands to cover her face . She was then burned by fire , the murderer may have poured petrol on her face and infront but not her back side , the murderer then started the fire by something and left her burning . Idk it's just a personal opinion ..
Damn, the drawing/scribbles are really cool!
Could you do the Beaumont children next
Vampire slayer, duh.
She used fire to make her unrecognizable
The reenactments are so cute!
Maybe she was a supernatural hunter and she needed all those pass ports cause she was an international hunter and you gotta keep your identity hidden that would explain every thing why she says in hotels and has all the fake IDs maybe something went wrong and she tried to commit suicide but her friends burned her to have a funeral. GUYS I SOLVED IT
do an episode about the guy that was going to leak government info and then he died in a car crash and people suspect the cia hacked his car and killed him to prevent him leaking the info
She swallowed the pills to kill herself and then used the fire to make herself unrecognizable shes a spy confirmed
I love buzzfeed unsolved but could you please stop making your videos almost a half hour long... It just makes the mystery dragging and boring. I think 15 mins. is the maximum time people could still watch and pay attention to the details of the unsolved mystery. We don't need to watch a 30 minute video and know that in the end the cases discussed are STILL UNSOLVED.
Self immolation is a known type of suicide. And she probably wanted to be burned so that she couldn't be identified. Since she is a spy, and she wouldn't want her friends or family getting hurt for being involved with her.
Lmao dying at the elf pallet in the suitcase re-enactment
Maybe their plan failed, she was a spy and they knew about her BUT didn’t get to her in time. Somebody found her before they could get in time soooo the spies lied but that’s just a thought.
why do i see nobody considering that she burned herself but took the pills in hope of being asleep while it happened
That boots.. Rubber boots. Hahahaha
Maybe she tries to kill herself by eating the pills, then someone would burn her to death. Idk. Maybe the bruise is from a fight or something. She is a spy, so there is likely to be some fighting. Maybe she try to kill herself because she fail a mission and the higher ups say she is not needed, so get rid of her. Just a guess
Just say gas. You can't pronounce petrol.
Reminds me a little of orphan black
I think she was thingking that if she ate all of that pill she will not feel the fire and will have a painless death
I really wish they'd do a few mysteries that started on the true crime season, and then led to a ghosty episode in the next season
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My theory is she knows shes being followed and as a spy she wants to protect whatever she knows therefore committing suicide by those pills. Explains why shes on a deserted place but the guys caught up to her however and did this to her.
Do Natalie Holloway!
If she wants to die and be unrecognizable in death then fire is the way to go. But obviously setting oneself on fire is a daunting task so taking a bunch of sleeping pills to fall asleep and make the deed a bit easier seems like a good way to go about things.
I think it was a suicide and she was a spy, the fire was to prevent her from being identified after death.
In my opinion, I think it could've been both. She could've willingly swallowed those pills for multiple reasons (not in the right mind, desperation. etc.) and someone also killed her. There's just too much unknowns to be certain.
*(wheeze)*
I'm at 7:00, I'm calling it now, she's a soviet spy
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I think she was a spie someone wanted deadnso they grabbed her by the neck and force fed her pills explaining the bruising on her neck but when the pill didn't take effect as fast as they'd hoped the freaked and lit her on fire
Love Ryan's narrations
Maybe she committed suicide, but if she was a spy, someone purposely burned her face so she couldn't be identified, cuz if she was found to be a spy in another country, it could cause international conflict
orrrr (as I'm sure someone else has already said) she could have taken the pills to numb the pain of being burned alive...and lighting herself on fire to hide her identity...also, if someone else was to light you on fire...it would probably be standing up, maybe she was trying to run..not lying down. (she was only burned on one side) so i assume after the pills started to kick in she laid down and lit herself.
Someone clearly choked her unconscious then lit her on fire as for the jewelry who can explain a fucking phycos mind.
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OMG I HAVE BEEN WATCHING YOU FOR SO LONG AND WHEN YOU MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT AN INTERNATIONAL MYSTERY, YOU CHOOSE MY FREAKING HOMETOWN AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS! Why didn’t I know this???
My theory is that the woman developed a severe case of schizophrenia/split-personality disorder (explains the no tags on clothes and suitcase contents ) and she had had “enough” and tried to kill herself, she couldn’t figure out how to properly hang herself, hence the neck bruising and she panicked and took as many pills as she could, she was frantic and impatient though and decided to guarantee her death by setting herself on fire.
I actually loved the fact they gave her that particular type of coffin. They were hoping that she would eventually get claimed.
I’m surprised their was no mention of accelerant detection. Fire inspectors can tell if an accelerant was used in a blaze which would tell if the petrol was used.
Did she smell like fruity garlic
Maybe she was a vampire, that would explain the garlic
maybe she was murdered in a middle of a suicide?
I'm hungry from mystery
I sent this video over to my dad (an engineer and mathematician) and my aunt (a nurse practitioner in the ER) because I was very curious what two such inquisitive minds would come up with. They watched it and talked it over and came up with a theory that I thought was very viable. They think that she was a spy for any given government and was very very good at her job. They hypothesized that she probably didn’t have any close family members because she had been a part of top-secret government work for so many years and her family really did not have any ongoing connection with her. She was on the run with some top-secret information of some sort and people were after her in pursuit of this information. She went on the run for a really long time but whoever was following her was relentless. At this point in the desert she had been backed into a corner after being on the run for such a long time and she realized that she was not going to get away. She then decided that suicide was the best option because she knew that if she got caught that she would be tortured extensively. So she took all of the pills in an effort to end her life but then whoever was after her caught up with her before she died. My aunt said that it would take probably about a half hour for somebody to die of an overdose. It is also worth noting the time in which it would take someone to swallow that many pills. At 5 pills per swallow and one minute breaks in between it would take around 20 minutes to get the pills down. That would give considerable time for her enemy to find her. Especially if they were already hot on her trail. When was she was found by her enemy she was still alive and coherent and her pursuers tried to torture her to get the information out of her. They burnt her in an effort to get what they were seeking. But she was relentless and also was on the brink of death anyway and was able to conceal her secrets. Then because they had been a part of a murder, everything was destroyed in the area including her tags, any identification, or any other evidence. So it was a suicide but it was also a murder. And because there was nobody looking for her she was never identified. But even if she could’ve been identified, she didn’t even necessarily have an identity because she had been a variety of people for so many years.
she was a spy for sure lmao
She has to terminate herself after a mistake. She burns herself so that she cannot be identified by authorities who may link back to the secret agency she worked for.
Just a theory but like she can be a spy and she would notice someone s after her. She takes off her jewels and put them on a rock she would take pills. But before it shows the effect someone would come and set her on fire. Or it could be another spy that was going to kill her . He would tell her to take the pills because she needs to die and its a peaceful way. Then he would set her on fire. So that police would be confused
Everytime this type of crimes happen, I ask myself "how come that any of her parents/relatives claimed she was missing?"...
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If it was a suicide and she was an spy, maybe she took the pills hoping they would numb her enough and then set herself on fire to hide her identity. The fire completely burned her face so she was unrecognisable and this would have been creditable to her if she wanted to remain unidentified.
I think it's not impossible for it to be a suicide. She might have committed suicide for her own reasons, but set herself on fire to not be recognized afterwards and to protect whatever organization she was a part of.
Great video! Really love the True Crime stories you guys put out. Looking forward to more!
man im czech and american I don't think it's that strange to have two nationalities (about the test that said she was either german or American)
my theory: she was mysterious and in trouble with some shady people, they kidnapped her and she knew one day this might happen so she had pills hidden (or saw some pills somehow where she was) and tried to kill herself so that they couldn't torture her. they found her and realised what she had done and couldn't stop her from dieing so they tortured her by burning her.
I know your say she’s a spy but she could have been running from someone because that might explane why she was burnt to death
Random things i've thought for anyone to elaborate upon or challenge: What if she was a spy, but she went on an unsafe mission of her own and got caught or something. Then she knew she would get killed and took the sleeping pills in an attempt to make her death painless but was found and taken to the boulder area and then murdered by the person she was after or her enemy or whoever. Maybe the unmarked bottles she could've hidden on her person were poison that she took because the sleeping pills wouldn't work, and this weakened her so she couldn't fight back a murderer (given that there were no mentioned rope marks or signs of force, but then again these could have been covered by burns, but also she had no marks on her back). As to why a hypothetical murderer didn't just shoot her: maybe; -they could have been psychotic or another alike illness and became overwhelmed with the thought of burning her -they were trained and knew a burnt body would be almost impossible to identify -its more painful, obviously if she was a spy and had enemies, they'd want her to feel pain.. Or maybe she wasn't a spy at all and just wanted to make it out or pretend like she was because her normal life was boring, and then got so caught up in the farce that she went crazy and tried to kill herself with the pills but got impatient and chose to burn herself instead. Who knows?
I think she was a spy in trouble (maybe discovered by the other groups) so took the pills. She had no cyanide pill because she was in trouble maybe? She had an accomplice who burned her face off to protect her identity, much more discrete than dragging a dead body home with you. Her belongings were not taken by her accomplice as a message to the other groups.
I think she is set on fire to make her identity even more concealed?
Maybe she knew something that was really important, or she did something that couldn't be discovered. And therefore she needed to kill herself (or be killed?) and get rid of anything leading to her. Therefore she needed to burn herself so that her fingerprints etc. can't be found. Maybe she used the sleepingpills to make the fire hurt her less while dying.
Do the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa
she obviously burned her own face so no one could see what she looked like
and i think she took the pills before so she wouldnt feel anything from the fire
What if she knew someone was after her? someone she thought she couldn't get away from and who she thought would choose to kill her in a way that would leave little evidence eg drowning burning etc. If that's the case and she was preparing for possibly dying a painful death it would make sense for her to take the sleeping pills because if she was going to die in her mind taking the pills would make it less painful if she did die, and with them being sleeping pills it takes a lot to overdose right? that many pills would take a while to kick in so if she managed to make it out alive she could have thrown them up(or some anyway) increasing her likelihood of surviving compared to having one pill which once it was absorbed would kill her, on top of that, if she were a normal person on the run it would be easier for her to get her hands on lots of sleeping pills under different aliases(her 8 passports) than it would have been for her to get a single lethal pill. Her being on the run would also explain her strange behaviour with removing labels which would make her harder to find. If the person did find her they may have knocked her out with a blow to the neck(causing the bruise) and then set her on fire to remove evidence. The person may have taken her to Death Valley specifically because no one went there so there would be no witnesses. She had no belongings that were easy to find except for that jewellery, maybe the killer hoped that local police would be distracted by it as it was the most readily available evidence at the scene and it's placement suggested suicide.
This is one of the best cases! YES!!
*wheeze*
took pills then set on fire to hid identity
You guys should do the beast of bray road!!!
maybe she took the pills herself and then someone else set her on fire?
I remove the tags on my clothes myself anyways....
Pls do more "are ghosts real?" Videos!!!!!
The way Ryan pronounces petrol is lowkey killing me
i think she was forced to take the pills then burnt by someone to hide her identity
She was probably a spy who was taken out by her employer or a rival. They probably wanted to make it look like she took sleeping pills and then fell into a fire, and the fire would help keep from identifying her.
Maybe the placement of the bottles or the jewelry started the fire of her clothes after she fell asleep ya know like when you burn ants with a magnifying glass.....
As someone who's attempted suicide the pills and fire combination doesn't confuse me. Both methods aren't super lethal, so combining them seems like something a spy that was determined would do. I'd guess she took the pills and waited until she felt the calming effect/was close to passing out and then set herself on fire to try to ensure she'd finish the job.
I dont know if it was a suicide or if it was a murder. But the methodology, in my mind, was supposedly to be carbon monoxide, but things happened, like the hairspray angle. I dont think the idea was to burn her/herself, it was to inhale the carbon monoxide from the fire.
she could have thought that she would die in the fire a little while due to the pills and wouldnt burn to death, not feel it much, if she was a spook it seems likely she would want to burn her whole body which could give away her identity
Maybe I watch to much TV, but has anyone explored the idea that she might of been a grifter.
could she have had the pills to die before someone who was coming for her killed her but the person found her and burnt her instead
She might of tried killing herself because somebody was trying to burn her alive. Dying because of an overdose sounds let painful then getting burnt alive. But why was she wearing rain boots and why was the umbrella there? I don’t think it rains in that place that much from what I gather. If she was a spy they probably killed her because she blew her cover.
That strange bruise could have been a hickey.....
Maybe the disguises and constant movement meant she was running from someone, rather than her being a spy. Trying to go off the grid so people couldn't find her, possibly to keep safe. Also whether it was suicide or murder the fire could have been used to make identification harder. If it was known fingerprints wouldn't lead anywhere and technology wasn't advanced enough to check dna and teeth like today then that could make sense. If it was a suicide she could have poured the petrol on herself specifically on her front ensuring her face would get burnt, and the sleeping pills could have been taken in the hopes it may make the burning less horrible. In the case of a murder, the fire could have been used for the same purposes and the pills just given to confuse those investigating.
Shane looks so fucking good here. I’m definitely a Shaniac.
She’s a spy.
Can you do a unsolved video on 15 year old Tina Fontaine ? Her story is heartbreaking and sad how justice wasn't served
Bread sticks. Boots. Burnin’ myself alive.
Ok y’all I watch these on my wine drunk Fridays (I know I’m a bit behind I’m busy I work a lot OK) but here’s my hot take: This woman was hired to be some sort of a spy by Soviet occupied Germany, but being a native German, her heart stayed with her home country that she knew as a young child, so she became a DOUBLE agent at some point, really exchanging information to the real Germany and the US, and at some point the Russian authorities found out and knew they had to kill her, so called her for a top secret meeting in Norway (where they said many soviets were at the time) so when she got there, whoever was meant to kill her probably had grown some sort of attachment and said “hey so I have to kill you and burn your body it has to happen no matter what so take all these pills because we can’t leave bullets but we don’t want you to feel yourself burning to death... if you don’t we will just burn you to death anyways because we have to...” and I think maybe she said something like “well let me take my jewelry off because my dead family gave me these and they don’t deserve to be burned!!!” (This investigation never mentioned her family, maybe they were killed by soviets?!”) then yea she died and no one wanted to claim knowing her to avoid further conflict/keep secrets. BAM law and order Allie hammer unit.
what if she was gonna kill herself... but after she took the pills,she layer down.. then rolled into the fire??? (still watching video)
as soon as you said she had many names i just pointed at my screen and shouted 'SPY!"
I would say she was a spy, and for whatever reason had gone to commit suicide, via sleeping pills.. then she lit herself on fire to avoid being identified. Honestly, going off of the idea she was a spy, she could have taken the pills and lit herself on fire both to avoid being identified, as well as to confuse law enforcement.. Or, the family that reported her death murdered her, and the police just let a family of murderers go free.
Maybe she just simply had to go for whatever reason so she took sleeping pills then went to set herself on fire or had one of her colleagues do it to cover up who she really was because she was a spy & the reason why she took sleeping pills was to numb most of the pain from the fire
Reminds me of a ghost of a woman my grandmother told me about which she described as something that looks beautiful from the back but nasty in front (she believes a ghost is haunting her house, but I don't doubt it)
the scariest thing about this video is how ryan pronounces petrol
She could have wanted to set herself on fire after she swallowed the pills as a way to get rid of the body. The absence of labels on clothes or items means she liked to be in the shadows, so she probably thought if she went on a path less traveled, killed her self, then tried to get rid of her own body so that nothing could be traced
People say she was a spy
cyanide pills work by choking ur cells and preventing oxygen from getting to the cells and yes it kills in mere seconds
The crows at the beginning made this whole video for me. Anyway, it was fuckin' Carmen Sandiego, soooo...
Really shane?
I'm pretty positive she knew she was being hunted and took the sleeping pills but when they found her they set her on fire. It seems she didn't want to be tortured and they found her before they kicked in
If she was a spy, and did commit suicide, wouldn't she want to make herself as unidentifiable as possible? Which worked obviously.
22:44 mmmmm tictacs
THIS WAS RELEASED IN MY BIRTHDAY OMG I JUST NOTICED WHOOOOOOOO!
What if she tried to kill herself by dousing herself in the petrol, taking all the sleeping pills then once she was asleep she dropped a flam on herself lighting her on fire? It's not hard for me to imagine her trying to burn her own body? Cleaning up after herself?
Here's a theory that could make sense of everything. This was a suicide. However, being a spy, committing suicide isn't just a simple kill yourself and that's it. She would probably had to cover her tracks and her identity so that she cannot be used to trace back to which country employed her, thus explaining why she set herself on fire. Fire tends to burn people unrecognizable and so it will make it near impossible for her to be identified, thus covering her track. She probably took sleeping pills hoping that she would die quicker so she didn't have to suffer as much while being burned to death but she would still have to set herself on fire before the sleeping pills completely kill her in order to make sure she is burnt until she's not recognizable.
Kent Xie yessss this is what I was thinking but I wasn't smart enough to put it into words
If she was a spy and trying to conceal her identity through the removal of labels, passports, wigs, etc...I think suicide seems likely. She took the pills and burned her face, effectively making it impossible to identify her at the time.
The only theory I can come up with for why she would burn herself as part of her suicide is that she didn't want her identity to be known, even after she was dead. So, she'd take the pills and then set the fire in the hopes that it would burn her beyond recognition. The best case scenario would be passing out from the pills before the fire reached her but that clearly didn't happen. Certainly, spy or not, the removal of tags, fake names, frequent moving around, and wigs seems to indicate that she was hiding from someone. I also think it's possible that she suffered from paranoid delusions which could be enough to not only drive somebody to suicide but also to make them think that they needed to ensure their identity was unknown even after they died.
i have 3 passports for some reason only 1 is expired theyre not for fake identities or anything just throwing that out there
I think that it was a suicide, but maybe because someone was tracking her down? Because she travelled so much, having casual cyanide may not be airport-appropriate. So, to remain elusive and make sure her case wasn't compromised, she took sleeping pills, and before she slept, she set herself on fire to destroy all of her identifiable features. Her back was untouched - maybe she was lying down?
Yo. She is indeed a spy. She took the sleeping pills to try to kill herself because someone was on to her. That someone set her on fire to kill her not knowing that she had taken the sleeping pills. Mystery solved. You’re welcome
its jennifier lawrnce doing press for red sparrow
Make an episode about malaysia flight 370!!!
I think shes in the black market
i'm watching this with headphones on set and i could NOT stop laughing LOUDLY at the key swallowing bit every1 wanna kill me
..vampires /\(° vv°)/\
Rundt bålet ble det blant annet funnet et utbrent pass. Obduksjonen viste at kvinnen hadde fått et slag i halsregionen og hadde inntatt flere sovetabletter før døden inntraff. This text says that they found a passport that was not burned, also she had a stroke/punch in her neck region and she had taken sleeping pils before death. also they found fragments off fingerprints on glasses. The police`s hgypotheisis is Politiet fikk tips om at en av sjefene i KGB var ankommet flyplassen Værnes i Stjørdal kommune, like utenfor Trondheim kommune, bare ti minutter etter Isdalskvinnen hadde landet. KGB-sjefen hadde mystisk nok returnert til Russland samme dag, få timer etter ankomsten. WICH says the police was tipped off avout KBG agents landed 10 minutes after this woman landed, the KGB boss had mystirously enaugh gone home to russia same day few hours after the arival.
Unsolved mysteries of Kurt cobain?
I haven't finished the video but she was obviously working as a spy
A woman obsessed with removing the identifiers off otems. Would make sense that burning herself to remove her identification. Taking a heap of sleeping pills. Waiting until she is very drowsy, but can still function, before igniting herself. Hoping to pass out and sleep through being burnt.
wheres the paranormal unsolved?
What if she was was trying to run from an enemy who found out who she was... She got far enough away and took as many sleeping pills as she could to hopefully kill herself fast enough, but when they caught up to her they hadn't worked yet. She raised her hands to fight and got punched in the neck (bruise) and then durning the fight she passed out. She was then burned while she was sleeping.
I like the ghost ones better
Probably Human Trafficking...
Shane: what the hell kind of warehouse is this?? Me: warehouse 13 Shane! that’s what kind!
Maybe she wanted to die from the pills and thought that she would like to die as royalty, in which they are set on fire
i CAN HELP WITH THE MAKEUP BRAND I BELIEVE THE BLACK SQUARE COMPACT IS BY ELF COSMETICS IT LOOKS TO BE EITHER THE QUAD BLUSH OR THE HIGHLIGHT AND CONTOUR PALETTE. HAHAHA
The mysterious death of kurt cobain
what about the jewelry? If it was a suicide, why go through so much trouble to be unidentifiable but then place the jewelry for everyone to see and possibly find out about her? and if it was murder, then why put it there? and not take it, or leave it on her body?
How do we know the Petral was used in the death? It may just be a coincidence that it was there or she may have used it to burn something to cover her tracks and it backfires
I love their true crime episodes better than the paranormal ones
She could have been preventing herself from dying at the hands of someone else by taking the sleeping pills. And then, unfortunately, she was found after trying to hide and was set on fire before she was able to die from the sleeping pills.
I'm home alone right now watching this and hearing sounds pray for me
i really want to know about the garlic smell...
i have 2 questions.... 1) did they find a lighter or sth next to her? how did she start the fire if it was suicide? 2) if it was in fact a suicide, who put out the fire that burned her?
Maybe it was a murder and suicide. She knew someone was after her, so she was going to kill herself before it killed her. That’s why they were so many pills. It didn’t happen quick enough so someone found her and killed her.
This woman has ties to Gloria Ramirez! FRUITY GARLIC
she might have set herself on fire as she dint want her identity to be revealed. (if she was a spy)
I will always love Shane & Ryan for Buzzfeed Unsolved
Couldn’t she have been a spy that committed suicide and a fellow agent covered the evidence? I know she breathed in the smoke so the agent that burnt her might have thought she was dead, panicked that her death would blow their cover and burned her unconscious body.
maybe she took the pills beforehand bec she knew she was gonna get killed. and THEN somebody set her on fire???????
Maybe she was just crazy, or like mentally unstable. She thought she was a spy or was always being watched so she switched hotel rooms and had a bunch of identities.
She was a manchurian candidate....she took the pills....was found by another candidate....and was burned to cover her identity.....nailed it.
I think the killer probably intentionally made it look like a suicide with the sleeping pills, then burned the front of her body to conceal her identity
I heard that there was a witness saw her going up the trail, looking distressed and 2 men were following her
I feel like she might have knew someone was coming to kill her in a painful way, and she was trying to avoid them but realized she couldn't, so she tried to kill herself by taking those sleeping pills before they got to her, and they didn't work fast enough. That makes a lot of sense to me, I wonder why they didn't mention a theory along those lines.
I think she was running from something
i think that if it was murder, they would burn her so she was unrecognizable
the fact that shane and ryan are investigating something that happened in norway, which is my country is so strange. i feel kinda starstrucked or something idk
Please do something about Madeline mccan!!
b-sticks, boots. burnin myself alive. I NEED IT ON A SHIRT
I reckon she had enough of being a spy so she swallowed pills to kill herself and she was going to burn all of her stuff on the mountain but she fell off and burned to death
it must have been a murder coz do u guys remember the broken umbrella and the bruise in her neck??? i think the murderer must have hit her in the neck and knocked her out then stuffed some pills into her mouth and could have tried to burn her but realised that it would alert the near by people.....or the murder could try to fake it as a suicide who knows?!!!
How They say the norwegian names is to funny gosh
Anyone think she may have had to burn herself so she couldn't be identified? And she took the sleeping pills to drown out the necessary pain.
I don’t know if this could be true but maybe she was running from something or someone , because of the wigs and the passports , I don’t know .
whenever the camera goes to Shane... I CANT FVCKING STOP TO STARE AT THAT MANEQUIN BECAUSE OF THAT ONE TIME IT MOVED!
If the clothes are not readymade then they may have the tailor's label. In which case it is very easy to identify the owner of the clothing.
Random H&M tag spotted on Ryan at 6:55.
*w h e e z e*
Immediately thought “could be a drug mule” and I can’t figure out why no one has brought this theory up? Would explain disguises, cash and shady death etc.
It could be suicide, even if she was really a spy. Setting herself on fire could suggest she just didn't want people to know her identity. Like you said, spies or mafia people were born not to have identities, they are ghosts. Once they are traced, they would kill themselves instead of getting caught and questioned.
Didn't the watch have a brand
What if she took the pills to kill herself, but as she was in her last moments set herself on fire to further remove the evidence of her identity? Only why would she remove her watch? Also how did the fire not burn her entire body? Wouldn't it have eaten through the clothes and spread to the area around her?
I think she was being stalked, possibly by an abusive ex-boyfriend or a customer if she may have been a sex worker. She knew and was understandably paranoid about it. She may have removed the labels of her clothes and makeup so that if she threw any of them away or left something behind, they wouldn't be able to track where she shops. She disguised herself, and she may have become so overwhelmed with hiding that she tried to kill herself. However, her stalker may have burned her body as she was dying from overdose as a last revenge.
maybe she took the sleeping pills to commit suicide but before she died from the pills somebody killed her with fire
What if she was a con artist and this psycho man fell in love with her but she rejected him so that it won’t blow her cover so he went mad and fed her sleeping pills so that she won’t feel hurt when he burns her... morbid but just a theory
You don't just go to sleep after swallowing 70 sleeping pills. You throw up and more than likely die of an overdose..
I believe she wanted to eliminate her identity as much as possible, so she knew she would need to burn herself, but took the pills to lessen the pain of the fire and quicken her death. And/or guarantee her death and not suffer from burns without death.
Okay heres what I think. I think she killed herself and I think she was a spy, what other circumstance (when taking her strange behavior into account) would make sense? She was going to great lengths to covering up her tracks (removing the tags from her clothes, removing labels from everything she owned, etc.). Also, only spies would write in code like that, and nobody else would need to keep such a detailed track of where they went, this could possibly mean she was following someone. She was changing appearances to ensure they didn’t get the sense they were being followed, and she kept track of where they/she went to report back to her employer. So, something happened that caused her to panic and required her to kill herself, but not just kill herself SHE HAD TO MAKE SURE SHE WAS UNIDENTIFIABLE. She took the pills with the hope that they would kill her before the fire did (she chose fire because it would’ve been the most effective way to ensure your body would not be identified in a pre-DNA evidence era). She took all of her jewelry off, took the pills, waited a few minutes for them to take effect, then lit herself on fire.
I probably shouldn't tell you this well think about this. say you didn't want to work for someone who would kill you if you wanted to quit.what better way than to fake your own death.
I’m pretty sure that if she burned herself it would make sense bc 1. She scratched out all the labels of stuff she had 2. Had fake identities, maybe she needed to go out but not worry about her enemies knowing she had died...just a thought
She was a spy, the reason i think she was; She was traveling to another location where both baggages were found leaving them behind when she was taken. The person or individuals (2) took off on foot in Death valley from their car, one carrying the gasoline and another her sleeping body (One drove the car to Death valley while another gave her the pills to drink), there have been similar cases in the acclaimed show Forensic files... they staged the scene; She was sleeping, thats the only way the killers put her jewerly on top of that rock, the sleeping pills gave them time to stage the scene of suicide (so it can appear she did it pre-morten or suicide, because people that commit suicide usually, not always wear just clothing no any jewerly), then they pour gasoline on her and set fire, she woke up! While on fire (The pain makes you feels whats going on, then she probably fainted, she was tired) she was soo unconsious that she died minutes after she was set on fire. The killers took off to their car, one of them left the gasoline container before getting inside the car (reason why it was next to a tree, she did not left the container before going to her dying place because when you pour gasoline or water, it usually leaves traces while walking) Sorry typos
What if she was a spy who was in town to meet a friend or whatever and tried to kill herself. The person (also probs a spy) realized authorities couldn't find her/identify her so they took her out and burned her before the pills could take effect. Idk tho...
i take the tags off cause theyre itchy
This is my theory the lady put his jewelry in the rock and eat the pills she only eat a few sleeping pills then go to sleep a person saw her and took the pills and shove it to her mouth then he took the gas thing idk what its called but he took it and put it on her and set it on fire that is my theory
Reminds me of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Say she was a spy, if she wanted to kill herself wouldn't it make sense for her to burn herself? Think about it, she removed all possible ways of finding her identity. She took her pills, then burned herself to stay hidden. If she was a spy she could've gone through the pain. It would make perfect sense for suicide!
I think this woman is a spy. Considering how she has so many identities
You should do "Dewan jendral" in Communism massacre in Madiun region. 1965
FBI threaten the police.
What if she was trying to escape an abuser? That would explain why she had multiple identities so her abuser would loose track of her. Her death could be explained by the abuser finding her and taking his anger out on her for escaping.
maybe she burned herself to hide her identity? and the pills were in case she didnt die from the fire and just was disfigured
Theory: she knows someone is coming for her and knows she cant get away, she starts to kill herself by swallowing the pills but who she was running from gets to her before they work and they burn her to death.
Force her to swallow her then burn the body to keep forensics from identifying her
Swallow the pills, sorry
Ok but a good spy would fake bad English to disrupt her origins
My theory is that she was a spy. This would explain all of the fake identities and the way she carried herself. When it comes to the way she died I think it was a suicide because her identity had been compromised. She had taken the pills, the main way she was gonna take her life, and then set herself on fire to further disguise her identity so that she wouldn't be traced back to anything or anyone. This would also explain the suitcases found. She might have put them there to distract and throw off the people who were after her.
When you do a supernatural season put the Ouija or the midnight game.
*OKAY I HAVE MY OWN LITTLE THEORY. BC AROUND **21:00** THEY TALK ABOUT HER DEATH AND THEORIES. Okay now if she's a spy. Her job is to be unknown. It might have been a suicide, possibly she got tired of it and had enemies? Or she was cornered where she wouldn't have an escape and killed herself? So to both of my theories she could have thought "I have pills. I'll drink as many as I can and to confuse anyone on my death I'll also set my self on fire to hide my identity. No one will know who I am. And they will be confused on my death" I mean it could possibly go like that. She also could have had family. Maybe if family comes to play, she could have burned herself to hide her identify to keep her family or anyone she knows to keep them safe/ uninvolved. If you want to solve a death especially if you believe she's a spy... You gotta put yourself in a spys shoes. Think of ever single possibility. Think of what's a spys job. For sure 1 is to keep hidden and hide your identity. And if your a spy... You want to make sure no one knows you died so you cover it up with anything you can. Anyone else with me? That's me and my head. I find things like this amazing and love making theories so yeah.* Also I wanted to add. I mean of course she is burnt but was there any way to check her IQ? If her IQ was really high then the possibility of her being a spy is confirmed in my opinion. Just saying if there was an actual way.
i mean not to say that it wasnt a murder but... its not like it would be that weird for her to set herself on fire for a suicide. especially back then a good way to hide your identity even in death would be to just burn it all off. and it would make sense that she'd do it while drugged (though alive) in a way to both ensue death and to hopefully lessen the pain of it to some extend.
What if she was smoking a cigarette after taking the pills and passed out and accidentally lit herself due to all that hairspray...
The maniquin behind Shane's head.... creepy!
Garlic smell weird neck wound death by fire. Did no one else think vampire??
I barely started watching this and I ship them Shane and who? SOMEONE COMMET THE OTHER GUYS NAME
What if she was tired of always being on the run as a spy so she took the pills to od, thinking it was going to work as suicide and took off all her jewelry beside her because that seems like a normal thing to do when someone lays down to sleep. But when she was waiting for the pills to kick in she got a syringe in the neck by the organization she worked for and then they dumped the gasoline on her and set her on fire. But before she could pass out she struggled and landed on her stomach and only her back got burnt. Then when she was finally dead they arranged her to look like it was suicide.
About the missing tags from the clothing and the jewelry found piled next to the body- this actually sounds exactly like what me and some of my other friends with sensory issues do when we’re trying to be comfortable. Actually a lot of her unusual behavior sounds like things me and some of my neurodivergent friends do every day. To me it sounds like a woman who was using fraud to travel, who happened to be neurodivergent. As far as the death itself goes, I think Shane may be on track when he says she may have burned herself in a suicide if she thought the pills weren’t working fast enough.
Tofte is pronounced with a long e (tough-tee) it's my grandfather's name and he's from Norway
WHAT IF the people that said she committed suicide were ACTUALLY the ones who killed her and then they called it a suicide to cover their own donkeys? hmm
Maybe it’s a combination like she was trying to kill herself to like prevent someone from getting information from her and then one of her many enmities showed up and was like imma burn her she ain’t get to die peacefully
Should do a episode about Madeleine McCann
The fire was most likely to conceal her identity after the pills.
i googled it and it said for one cyanide pill it would take its minutes for them to go brain dead and the heart to stop. i don’t know if multiple pills would act faster though.
breadsticks, boots, burnin my self alive.
Okay, here's my theory (i know its a long shot, but this is what i think might have happened): So, she might've commited suicide; she could have taken all the sleeping pills and then gone to the sight where she was found so no one would find her in her hotel room. This is very unlikely, but another person might have seen her, thought she was dead, and didn't want a dead body anywhere near them; they could have set her on fire, not knowing she was alive, which might explain the position of her arms. I don't know, it's a possibility, I guess...
Really enjoy the stories you guys choose and the way you tell them. Glad i found your channel
If she was someone that really cared about anyone not knowing who she was, even after death- it makes a LOOOT of sense that she would try to burn herself. And she took the pills so her death would come sooner. But, if disappearing was what she wanted, drowning with a heavy weight on might have been a better option????
Spy or hooker?
Unsurprisingly, Buzzfeed doesn't know where Asia is
Call me crazy... but it sounds like she was a vampire Hunter IT ALL MAKES SENSE! A. She smelled of garlic because she used it to prevent vampires from hurting her B. The bruise on her neck was caused by a vampire bite, and she got bit when... C. When she died. It was right before dawn and she was being chased by vampires, she knew she couldn't get away in time so... D. She took the pills to kill herself to make sure she wouldn't turn into one, or when vampires bite you they inject a chemical similar to sleeping pills to make you sleep, so... E. When the sun rose she burned alive due to being bitten, that's why only the front side of her was charred F. She had separate names and passports to keep vampires from tracking her (that also goes for the wigs and make-up) G. In conclusion: vampires are real, she was a vampire hunter, she got turned into a vampire and died due to burning, and nobody knew... UNTIL NOW **DUN DUN DUN** (Man, I love making crazy conspiracies)
If it was a Suicide and she was a spy, I imagine she could’ve set herself on fire in an effort to conceal her identity to protect whomever she worked for. I’ve also seen other people saying she was attempting Suicide to avoid being interrogated and was being followed. I can see that being the case
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Barbecue is absolutely gross
Ok here's what I think happened: she was a spy, her cover was blown and so to protect herself from torture and to ensure the information she had never got out she killed herself. She took the sleeping pills to numb the pain and used the fire to make her unidentifiable.
Cyanide blocks the copper moiety of the mitochondrial electron transport chain, so basically it blocks your cells from producing energy. Death by cyanide would be relatively quick 5 minutes to pass out, then 10+ minutes death.
I think she took the pills and tried to burnt herself thinking she disposed her labels and dispose herself but failed.
I think she committed suicide by setting herself on fire but before hand she took all the sleeping pills to make sure that they knocked her unconscious so that she could not feel herself burning to death.
Wait I don’t get if they threw the sample of teeth out then wouldn’t it more likely be contaminated and other dna samples may have been placed in the teeth?
s o u n d s l i k e a c a s e f o r c c t i n s l e y
Send her dna to 23&me or ancestry.com lmao
What if it was a murder and a suicide like she took a bunch of pills because she had wronged someone and was gilty then went out so her family wouldnt find her but instead some random person as to make it easier on her family but as she was out someone set her on fire because she was a spy and wronged them and her family is to scared to say "yep im related to them" because they knew about her being a spy and they are scared to go to jail for treason
Sorry if i took someones idea i looked through a lot of comments and saw none like this and thought itd be something to think about maybe she was asleep when she was set on fire because the sleeping pills were in her blood and someone had been stalking her and saw her pass out and thought it was time and shed be asleep so still breathing and wake up due to the fire and another spy killed her thats how they didnt get caught and she was trying to put the fire out and hit her neck thats were thr bruse came from but the pills left her weak so she couldnt get up thats why the flames couldny reach her back
I think, if she was a spy, she might have assumed someone was gonna find/kill her. She may have resorted to suicide, and then left to the trail. I think the labelless stuff was hers, OR placed by someone who knew her, or the murderer. I totally buy the murder story
sounds like she was killed. sleeping pills were planted to lay false trail of suicide, and she was burned to help conceal her identity.
Gasoline could of been only put on the front of the body gasoline only burns where it was put on this would explain why the back has not been burned
Do an Unsolved episode on how you butchered the pronunciation of Norwegian names and words in this episode
Breadsticks. Boots. BURNIN MYSELF ALIVE
"Pet-trall"
In ye olden days you wouldn't be wearing Levis or Urban Outfitters, you'd be wearing "mom and pop's shirt store, we make 5 shirts a week and we remember all our customers" clothes- these cases where the labels are cut out seem by and large to have been long enough ago that it was before big chain stores were a thing. It also ensures that you can't even tell the nationality of the victim, if they were wearing clothes for instance from a foreign store. Then again, if she also had Eczema cream maybe she just had really sensitive skin so she cut the labels out of her clothes so she wouldn't be irritated by them.
Sameeeee
My grandma's neighbors house once caught fire with the family inside and she said that burning flesh smells like fried spam.
yellow sticky-the entire trump presidency
the time frame and her suspected age point to the possibility of her being a german-american immigrant spy that was orphaned by ww2, which would explain why her body was never claimed by family.
Maybe she took the pills so that the fire wouldn't hurt as much and burnt herself so that no one could find her identity cose she was in danger of something.
Okay I’m kinda for the suicide AND murder theory. She may have known someone was on her trail (as a spy) and close to finding her, so in a last minute panic, took many sleeping pills to attempt suicide before being caught. However, the murderer tracked her down and set her on fire before the sleeping pills actually took effect. The watch and jewelry could have been an attempt for her to give hints to investigators as to who her killer may have been. Just mix all the theories together and you got something that’s kinda reasonable?
A spy with multiple personality disorder???
Maybe she set herself on fire so her body wouldn’t be distinguishable, if she was a spy she wouldn’t want anyone to know who she was.
She could've taken the pills trying to commit suicide and immediately after she took them someone could've burst into wherever she was and lit her on fire, not knowing she was already dying... Or she could've started to die, falling asleep, and the murderer burned her while she was laying down on a fireproof surface thinking she was just sleeping.
She was a spy who was concerned of being captured and tortured by enemies, maybe she knew of someone who was close to finding her and decided to commit suicide instead. She wanted to make her body unrecognizable but knew burning herself would be too painful. She decided to take the sleeping pills and then set herself on fire. Perhaps the jewelry and watch were sentimental and she didnt want them to burn thus taking them off.
She obviously burned Herself so that her corpse would be unrecognizable. She was only burnt on her front because she poured the gasoline over herself. The only odd thing is that if she was trying to destroy evidence of her being there, then why didn't she burn her bags?
I think everyones saying it and it seems the most likely thing, but attempted suicide was the initial intent, then someone found her before the pills kicked in a murdered her? idk that seems like the most logical thing with all this evidence
I heard her fingerprints were sanded off witch helps her to not be identified because she was a spy.
If she was a spy, it’s possible that something along the lines of her work could have gone wrong and she felt she needed to kill herself to either protect her employer or herself. Taking the pills would have done the job, but maybe she felt that in order to completely erase her presence, burning the body would have made her turn into a pile of ashes. She would cease to exist, even in death. That way, if any other spy or intelligence officer found her body, they wouldn’t be looking into who she could have been associated with and what could have prompted her suicide, thus eliminating the possibility of her death alluding to a secret plan or information. Just my own thoughts.
do the ´Out of thin air´ case from Iceland
The murder was probably from someone trying to get revenge so it makes sense that they would set her on fire because she would suffer. If it was a suicid and she was a spy, maybe she felt she deserves to suffer because of the terrible things she might have done while she was working.
I think she was a spy who someone was trying to kill so she tried to commit suicide, but before the pills worked the murderer got to her and burned her alive.. well that's just my theory.
Fire can make the identification of the victim nearly impossible to tell. If it was murder, the murderer was smart.
Why do they black out the top of some of the people's faces
Probably suicide, she burned herself to remove identifying features, she took the pills to kill the pain of burning
Maybe she knew that someone was going to kill her. So she took the pills but she was too late so she was still alive when she was on fire.
I think she was a spy and she already knew she was going to be murdered so she took the sleeping pills to try and kill herself before the “bad guys” caught up to her. However it was to late and they tried burning her but unfortunately she wasn’t dead in time. Then when trying to burn her to get rid of the body someone must of stubbled upon them burning her so they pushed her off of the cliff and ran away
Maybe something happened and she took the pills to get away and then someone set her on fire, idk
Ryan has been really growing as a YouTube sleuth! Keep it up, and don't forget the holy water ;)
Living for the way Ryan is pronouncing the norwegian cities and names. I know you're trying your best buddy
It's suicide. PERIOD. Setting herself on fire wasn't meant to kill her. It was meant so that even at her death, her identity is still kept secret. She clearly didn't want to be identified in LIFE and DEATH!
Maybe she was a spy who set herself on fire so people wouldn't recognise her
I personally think she was an agent and she was murdered, but it was also kind of a suicide. Perhaps someone discovered her identity so she had to kill herself, that’s what she took the pills (and she had to kill herself in case they catch her, so she can’t give them any information). She eventually got caught but the pills haven’t started working yet, and the people who caught her burned her. Ik this sounds kinda weird but it’s possible
My brother removes the tags on his shirts because they scratch and bother him.
i feel like her mental health should have been more involved here. these behaviors can be written off as an OCD scared woman i think there’s a lot more theories here
no one thought about the fact that she could have been a mule and pills in her stomach could have been maybe giving to her to deliver. she was making a fire and getting ready to settle in but the bag was not one that could substance stomach acid so it disovled leaving the pills.. she get dizzy whlie she is makig the fire and then fall face forward buring only the front.. someone sees her and moves her because they are scared or she had alot of money on her and they took it and they call police saying they found her that way.
the way he says petrol gets to me...
... if the police found several fake passports - they would have had her picture on them if not her actual name - so why can't they publish those pictures instead of sketches?
My battle buddy told me burnt humans smell like fried shitaki mushrooms.
I want a episode where Shane explains the mystery
Okay but an episode on Anastasia Romanova would be great because if I’m correct they never found out what happened to her after her family was shot??????? Anyway it would be great to have an episode on her :D
Do Hae Min Lee, i know the detectives thing Adnan Syed did it, but there is a lot of things that are wrong about that case.
I think she'd been compromised so she took the pills, hoping to kill herself before they found her, then either she or the people who caught up with her burned the frontside of her person to conceal her identity
Wasn't looking at my screen, thought they said her name was "Vanilla Large" at 9:35. Still, Fenella Lorch is a pretty odd name- safe bet no one else had that name.
What if she was a hitman or hitwomen
FINALLY! I've been whining about this on both facebook and youtube for a while
What if she was hiding from someone with her different identities and that person finally found her and killed her?
Hm.. fruity garlicky smell you say?
Wonder If The Teeth Smelled Like Garlic.
I want a spin-off series about the adventures of Ricky Goldsworth and Banjo McClintock
Fruity Garlic?
I’m thinking murder and suicide like she took the pills knowing that if she didn’t end her life she’d be murdered but was unfortunately found by an enemy before she died so suffered a painful and gruesome death idk it’s an intriguing case
Maybe it was both a homicide and a suicide. She went there to kill herself and took the pills. She walked around I guess and someone was planning on murdering her already , so they saw her and put a puddle of petrol and they knew she had hairspray. they put something there to catch her attention and make her bend down, until the petrol got close enough to her hair and it set on fire. That’s why the pills never dissolved fully.....
I think she may not have been working for an 'official agency' to the point that it was a shadow government, a secret organization of spies, if you think about the evidence, it's kinda there. The thing that sort of tipped me off was the strange deaths and misplacement of evidence, somebody was obviously actively preventing this woman's identifier, her teeth being one of the best clues, possibly the only ones, to solving such a bizarre case suddenly going missing strikes me as odd, then there was the fact that the dentist died 'mysteriously', if an organization really wanted her to disappear, they could easily get rid of a few important pieces, say the dentist, then be able to just waltz away. The fact no weapon was found on her body also strikes me as odd, you'd think that a spy would carry a gun, or knife, or taser, but no, almost like they were removed. The burning also is odd, considering that amount of sleeping pills would kill her easily, I think that she was murdered, if by some chance the pills were forced down her throat, the easiest way short of destroying the body would be to burn it, the family that found it probably just stumbled on the women RIGHT after she died, if your going to destroy a corpse, you'd finish the job. Whoever killed her fled. Then there is the most damning piece of evidence, the investigator just saying "nope, not gonna listen to this mysterious tape, no can do." is complete BS, someone silenced that investigator, if he was really dedicated, he'd have listened to that tape in a heartbeat, instead someone showed up, told him to cut the @!#$ and if that he opened that letter he'd be a dead man. Just my thoughts, please add or point out any holes in my theory.
Have you considered that she wanted to kill her self with out anyone knowing who she was, so she took the pills to have a painless death, then burned herself?
Maybe she already knew she was discovered for espionage and was gonna get killed so she tried to kill herself?
I think that she had been holding some information and running from someone who was trying to get the info from her, probably a close friend or family member ( I will get into that later) she was born and lived in Belgium which is why she would often use Belgium as her home because she wanted to keep at least one part of her origin close to her and once she realized that she was being chased she started traveling all over Europe (which explains all the money from all over Europe) and then once she had no where else in Europe to go she decided to travel to the US but the person chasing her was ahead of her (possibly even in the same train ride as her) and caught her at the train station, the culprit grabbed her around the neck and put her in a chokehold (the bruise) and forced her to eat the pills thinking that it would put her to sleep instantly when they didn't he Fed her more and more until he was sure she'd fall asleep on the way to where ever they were going but even once they had gotten there she still hadn't fallen asleep, so they decided that Instead if waiting they would just go ahead and torture her for information they held her body close to a fire just enough to burn her but not enough to burn her to death but she wouldn't crack and someone accidentally pushed her to far into the fire and she died by being burned alive (which explains her arms being up) before they could get any info from her so they took her body and dumped it somewhere where they assumed no one would find it now the reasoning for assuming it was a friend or family member is that the jewelry and watch was placed on the rock beside her probably because it was a family heirloom and the murderer knew this and wanted to respect the family as much as they could out of guilt and they could only have known this if they were close to her
I think she killed herself and took the pills in hopes she would be asleep before the fire destroyed her face making her unrecognizable so that no one would be able to identify her.
This is late but I have a theory. She was a spy and someone found out her identity so she decided to kill herself. She took the pills so they would numb her senses so the fire would not hurt as much? Not sure why she used fire, maybe to burn herself beyond recognition?
"You could have been banged, but that has a different connotation." LOL!
If she has a life built around not being recognized, it's totally possible it was imperative that her body wasn't recognized either. If she wanted out of this reality, maybe she takes the pills, sedating herself before her disfigurement. Or maybe the pills are some twisted act of kindness from her murderer. Either way, it makes sense to me that fire could have been used as the final act of disguise, and the pills a last ditch effort to ease that passing.
She was a spy. She was murdered. The police were threatened by the murderers to claim it was a suicide.
Why would she voluntarily take 50-70 sleeping pills and burn herself to commit suicide, when in that time, cianide was almost always used. Don't need 70 cianide pills, and you don't gotta burn yourself.
Oh my god please make a shirt that says “I love a thicc plot”
I'm half shannian and half ryanian
Okay I have a theory: what if she was a spy and did kill herself, but had an accomplice of some sort. She knows she needs to die, but not only that, she needs to be burned beyond recognition, so she and her friend agree to have this happen in a deserted place where there have been reported cases of both suicide and accidental deaths, meaning the police would not think of her death as anything odd. She takes the pills and her friend agrees to burn her body (again not to hurt her but to burn her body), her jewellery is laid down next to her as that could have been a valuable possession that her friend wanted to remain with her. They then get rid of the petrol. After this they skip town, but leave the Isdal woman's possessions (which the friend knew would be unmarked (she could have thought that her fingers would be burned or there would be no DNA on the possession) on the train station which is a very public area and would have no way for identifying it to the friend.
they don't eat garlic up north
My own therory: She committed a crime and needed multiple disguises to escape. Someone involved with the victim/ crime she committed was able to track her down (vigilante justice type thing). She suspected she was being tracked, panicked, and decided to commit suicide w/ the pills. The person after her decided to burn the body for good measure and then dumped the body in a remote location, hoping it wouldn’t be found
The isdal woman was found the same day as Natalie Wood November 29
For the way she may have fallen or the hairspray, she MAY have been a spy why would she be so clumsy? She could have been sprade with the hairspray to try to suffocate her or as a pepper spray to momentarily stun her.
maybe she took the pills to try to die less painful than someone wanted she may have known that she was going to get killed, but she was not fast enough and the pills made her slow. She may have been had asleep.
My question is, if it was a suicide then why is the petrol can not right with the body or burned itself? Or even if she had doused herself in petrol beforehand and then set herself on fire, why wouldn’t there have been a petrol trail from the can to the body that most likely would have also set on fire?
LET ME ET THIS STRAIGHT!!!! A FAMILY went for a hike around an area called DEATH VALLEY where many people have fallen to their deaths and have committed suicide? A *FAMILY*? The hell kind of family activities... nah, man. Hiking sucks to begin with. But to go hiking through a place called "Death Valley"?????? F that family. They just want each other to die.
She could've been in a rush, with her mind not thinking straight in a bad situation she's never been in, she could've taken the pills to try to be captured or something, then thought she would be causing a lot of trouble if people recognized who she was, burning herself so she couldn't be identified.
I think she committed suicide with the pills but was assisted in her death by someone else with fire...
My theory about this women is that she is a spy but not officially and she found out that someone was probably coming after her and she was going to kill herself because the person after her probably wanted info and so she killed herself bring along the information and I am also thinking if the people after her were also assassins or spies too and probably after finding her dead they have to burn her body to try to get rid of her or to make look like she doesn't exist but plan failed I guess because if she's a spy and spies are made not to exist then they had to burn her body but failed
• Spy, about to be found out. • Decides to kill herself before her enemies get the chance. • Uses pills to commit suicide. • As the pills start to take effect, she sets herself on fire to mask her identity. Also, the isotope test pointed toward her being from Europe, whereas the DNA test pointed toward America. So I would bet heavier on her being from Europe.
The narrators voice is so annoying
SHE SET HERSELF ON FIRE TO HIDE HER IDENTITY (and succeeded) !!! I’m so mad this wasn’t mentioned honestly. I think she needed to die for whatever spy reason and needed to hide her identity so burned her face.
I love unsolved mysteries but ngl I'd love a solved season of true crime
OR: Say she is a spy. She wants to kill herself; her jobs are done, someones following her, etc. what if after she takes the pills she realizes that she is able to be identified, so she sets herself on fire. She was trying to erase herself??
Alright so I totally think she was a spy and she knew she messed up soooo she Was going to commit suicide but she waited too long to take the pills and then she was taken hostage and set on fire by the murderer and that whole shebang.... yep that’s my guess
T H I C C P L O T
Maybe she's a prostitute???
Extremly fun listening to you guys saying norwegian names:)
And i loved that you used norwegian words in the pictures
if it was a suicide maybe she set the fire so her face won't be recognizable anymore... but i dunno
My dog is a Russian spy
this is the black dahlia v2.0, except that the isdal woman had lots of identities instead of lots of boyfriends.
If she were a spy and thought that someone was coming after her to try to get information out of her, maybe she took the pills ahead of time, got found, then was tortured to death?
Maybe she wanted to go down in style. Suicide arsonist???
Just a thought maybe she burned herself after taking the pills because she was a spy and didn’t want anyone to know her identity
disco inferno* playing in background...
She set herself on fire so she couldn’t be recognized
Do the Madeleine McClann mystery
I remove the tags of almost all of my stuff, let's hope I don't die a mysterious death lol
Maybe the burning was to cover her identity?
The suicide (if she is a spy) could’ve also been in that manner because she knew someone was after her or her identity was possibly gonna be compromised, so set herself on fire as a way to keep herself hidden
What if she was a spy her cover was blown so she was trying to kill herself with the sleeping pills. Then one agent close by came to her and said something like we can’t have people know your identity. So he pulled her out in the middle of nowhere and burned her body in order to hide her identity. So technically it was both... seems possible to me.
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She took the sleeping pills to attempt to make her pain diminish while she is on fire. Just like she took all the tags off her clothes and covers her tracks, she wanted to essentially make her self unrecognizable by burning herself.
She set herself on fire so there wouldn't be an identifiable body...disposal of evidence
have they checked the security cameras in the area to see her behavior and the to check if she’s been followed ?
Do the Winchester House
If it was suicide, she probably wanted to kill her self painless with the pills and set herself alight right before she thought the pills would kill her to perhaps self cremate herself rather than just being discovered as a corpse or rotting and getting eaten by maggots.
We're all meat
Even Sherlock Holmes can't solve this:(
omg im sorry, but the way You're saying Gisle is sooo wrong.
I’m surprised that the burning wasn’t connected to her intention to disfigure her dead body beyond identification. The sleeping pills were so she wouldn’t feel the pain. She was obviously a person who didn’t want her true identity to be known.
So now only true crime episodes?
It was Oswald Copplepot and another of his jalousy murders. GOD DAMN IT EDWARD.
What if she knew someone was after her, took the pills, but they found her before they could work?
"Who is she?"
i love ghost stuff, but this is more factual
Maybe she heard my sisters singing
Just saying that bish dead
A link, she (or maybe her) garlic smell, Gloria Ramirez, garlic smell, Gloria Ramirez isdal women| |insane link|
What I think is that she took the pills herself, and somebody discovered her and didn't want to be involved so they set her on fire
If ya’ll ever need to pronounce norwegian names again, please hit up a norwegian lol... i volunteer as tribute, i’ll send you recordings of me saying the names. Cos the way you pronounced them, especially Gisle is not okay lol
can we have a spinoff where shane researches and narrates.
How do the not get scared
Hvor er mine norske guttabois?
norway!
Finally something from norway! #teamNorge
12:52 You could say that they're...searching for the tooth.
HUNGRY FOR A MYSTERY, THIRSTY FOR JUSTICE!
I love this series! But for some reason I'm not a fan of the live action ...
It was really fun to watch this, since i am from Bergen!
You guys should really colab with Shane Dawson!!!!!!!!
It seems like you guys or any people on the case is trying to hard She was obviously running or hiding from someone or a group of people and she took those pills to maybe not have the people have that satisfaction of death and before she died burn her front side so she doesn't have a readable face Makes sense because if her wigs and outfits
well what if she took the pills to numb the pain from burning alive and just burnt burnt herself after setting up the scene to throw everyone off the correct trail to protect her true identity. Just saying
I think she used to fire to protect her identity, just like she did with removing tags from clothing. I also think it was a suicide, possibly because of other spies getting to close. A spy wouldn't want to risk any information being released.
What if she set herself on fire so that no one would be able to analyze her face? This would maybe explain why only her front half was burned.
I HAVE A THEORY so yeah the woman's reason for changing looks and moving from place to place was because someone was following her (cause she's a spy). She got tired of it and went to death valley to commit suicide but before that she waited there for the person who was following her. She removed her jewelries and drank something explaining the empty bottles around. Then the person who was constantly following her caught up to her. She was afraid that the person will do something worst to her so she immediately took the pills, the person got annoyed that she do that so he/she pushed her and her neck hit a rock explaining the bruise. The person had intend to use the petrol on her. The person then decided to pour the petrol on her and realized it wasn't enough that's why it's only her front part area were burned. The person set her on fire, left the petrol away from the scene, then left.
i think she was a spy or at least involved in something but i think she burned herself so she wasn't identifiable mabye had someone helping her i think she covered herself in in petrol and walked to the spot hoping no one would find her there at least not for a while and leaned against the rock started falling asleep and lit herself on fire mabye somone else lit her on fire once she was asleep and still breathing i dont know
What if she was just a super paranoid women who was rich.
She would have set herself on fire to make sure she was 100% unrecognizable. It was a suicide I'm sure.
is that chloe ?
Isnt there a possibility that she framed her own death? With the fngerprint placed strategically on the glasses. And her belongings left there. Like you suspected that she might be a spy maybe she had to frame her death to go on the run.
What if she wasn't a spy, what if she was running away from someone???? That could still explain the weird contents of her suitcases.
Ok so what if the bonfire thing happened and she had the gas in her hand when the hair spray exploded from maybe being too close to the fire or something and when she fell she still had it in her hand. When she flailed her arms to catch herself the gas can went flying down the hill with her and landed by her body. As for the pills maybe she took them intending to commit suicide but then changed her mind and noticing how far out she was out a signal fire for help.
What if she took the pills in hopes of suicide, but someone interfered wanted to murder her with the fire, or maybe she went on a sketchy date and that person did something?
They really couldn't find the makeup with out the labels?
Very confusing and odd, I honestly don't know what to think
A girl is no one
I would think that there was someone else with here who wanted her dead. Maybe an enemy made by her doings in her scandelous spy lifestyle. They wanted it to look like a suicide, so they forced her to take the pills and strip off her jewlery. Then in the process she may have done something to make them mad so they set her on fire, burn the body to make it unidentifable or it was something done to make sure she was dead.
I don't remember hearing about a possible source of the fire at all. is there a reason we don't think the body was moved? like the explosion was ruled out because there were no signs of one, but did we know how far from the source of a fire she was?
Do the mystery of the Lindbergh baby kidnapping
the autopsy table pictured at 3:30 is from the sachsenhausen concentration camp in germany. I have almost an identical picture I took when I was there.
If you really think about it, it could be a murder but made to look like a suicide so the murderer wouldn't get caught.
Cicked on the video bc of the name _isdal_ which I was almost certain was a place or surename in Norway, but I never heard abt this even though I used to read Scandinavian crime-books at the age of 8...so I looked into it, naturally finding the original photos, but also the fact that the guy giving the description of the woman didn't recognize the smell, bc garlic wasn't really sold in Norway until late 70s, like a lot of other fruits and veggies...Also, the family that found her was a 12 year old girl walking with her little sister and father, and bc there was no mobiles they had to go a long way to get back to the city to report on the body, which was terrifying bc they thought she could have been murdered, and that the killer could potentially be close by!
Breadsticks. Boots. Burning myself alive.
It seems suicide. Leaving her belongings and that final display of items. Maybe pills were to ease the pain of the fire. Because she did that on purpose to not be recognized when found. If you wanna kill yourself and mantain that secrecy, burning the frontal part is a logical option.
Maybe she was a fugitive or running from (a) certain invidual/s
My theory is that it WAS suicide, and she burned her face and body in order to avoid being recognizable when/if she was found. This would follow the theory of her being a spy or at least being a bit shady.
M-my name's Giselle *gasp*
I reckon that she was a spy that killed herself but her partner or something found that she had taken the pills and to cover up her identity the partner burned her and therefore covering their tracks
Anyone else wonder if she was in an abusive relationship of sorts, like maybe she had escaped abuse from someone of importance,that’s why she had so many different aliases; to not be spotted by anyone in contact with her significant other?
FRUITY GARLIC!
I think she committed suicide then someone else tried to burn her body to make sure she was untraceable as spies should be.
Smells like…*Snoof snoof* fruity garlic
I i think she saw something she wasnt supposed to see so she runs away but the person caught her and burned her then left her on the middle of nowhere
Maybe she was a spy and was ordered by her superiors to end her life and burn her body so she couldn't be identified. That would explain the given circumstances and why the jewelry was placed aside and the sleeping pills might have been taken in hopes to lessen the pain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHrHBR3IFdo
I think it was a suicide AND a murder. I think she committed suicide after being chased or something and then someone set her on fire, explaining her pose of trying to block the flames
I think she was a spy. She could have been in danger and tried to kill herself by taking the pills, but instead she was caught and burned before the pills could work. That's the only way I see this happening.
I'm all about the spy murder theory Like, maybe even somebody working on the same side as her - she took the pills herself and somebody else burned her so she is unrecognizable.
It’s simple, she failed her mission. She had to kill herself in order to make sure no one would use her to get information, someone from where she was working for burned her face in order to keep her identity safe.
I hate canibalism references. Dislike
(wheeze)
If she was a spy the fire would damage her face making her less recognisable, could that account for the burning?
I’m Norwegian and my sister wanted me to tell you that you pronounced all the names wrong...... like it’s all she cares about
For some reason when they talked about the garlic I immediately thought vampire lol
"Bread sticks, boots, burning myself alive." Lol
Couldnt they have used the fingerprint to identify her?
fruity garlic's sister
I like the demon stuff more
If they have all her passports, why they still need to struggle to come up with her sketch?
i like it when they say: she used english and german, and on screen you see dutch
The boxing position is a normal pose for most burnt people.
i am from bergen
The to do list 1. Eat garlic 2. Buy boots 3. Burn
maybe the labels were removed by her at an earlier date because they were itchy
In the beginning of the video, Ryan said the body had a 'Boxer's position' which typically only happens when the body is unconscious when it's being burned. This happens because the muscles contract (the flexor muscle overpower) So it was most likely a murder, and not self inflicted.
The best cover ups I think are the ones that are perpetuated by such speculation. Cause it leads public opinion on such wild theories, conspiracies and tangents. The real details are gonna get so layered with all these different ideas it just gets lost to time. But if the isdal woman was a intelligence operative what better way to cover up her death...than with a layer dip you find at parties.
How can it be a suicide. The police clearly said the pills were already in her blood before dying, that means the effects of over 50 pills had already started to work. She also had smoke in her lungs which means she was alive while burning, certainly asleep... I really think she was put to sleep moved to the place where they found her and burned buy the killer
She must have been compromised and the enemy spy must have asked to kill her painful or less painful
Hah I like the desert landscape, not much of that in Norway
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I think that she was a spy and that she knew someone was coming to kill her, or that she needed to die and therefore committed suicide. She took the sleeping pills herself, possibly to ease the pain of the burning, doused herself in petrol leaving the bottle as far away as she could and hiked up the hill where she removed her precious belongings and lit herself on fire. I'd say she set herself on fire to hide her identity, and it makes sense that she did this herself since only the front of her, aka the only part that she could easily reach and the only part that she could be recognised from, was burned and the petrol was left at the scene. It is unlikely that a murderer would leave her valuable jewellery (also suspicious that nobody tried to trace the jewellery?) and also as stated it is unlikely someone made her consume all of those pills. If you knew you were going to set yourself on fire i'm sure you'd try to consume as many as you could. This also explains why they were still in her system and she was alive when she was burned. Her ambiguous location (also worth noting that she would have had to know the area to choose this spot, meaning she could have spent a lot of time in the area, maybe she was from around there?) points to a certain amount of planning, she died in a spot that she thought she couldn't be found which would be different if she was murdered as you don't 'hide' a dead body, you dispose of it.She could have been assisted but ultimately I believe it was a suicide and she killed herself so somebody else wouldn't get the chance to.
she couldve been french canadian cuz canada is in north America
So I agree with the thought of her being a murdered spy. But to possibly explain the pills and being seton fire, what if she started getting paranoid about someone following her and because she’s an intelligent spy, decided to commit suicide with the pills. But before they could kick in and kill her, the person she thought was following her, found her and set her on fire. Could explain why both happened.... just a thought though
If she were a spy there would more likely be a cover up perhaps she was in some kind of protection program but she was definitely hiding the labels being rubbed off could be a figity anxiety thing that she had done possibly she ran to that place hoping not to be followed and set her stuff down and had a meltdown and decided that she couldn't handle running anymore so took the pills then the person following her burnt her ? other questions I have, was she burnt on site were there signs of fire there I don't believe that was mentioned the film location suggested it was in a dry climate but was that true to the story? I don't know how these things work but dosent fire like to spread how is it possible that it didn't spread to the rest of the body or the surrounding area
Ever since someone pointed out that the mannequin’s head moved once, that’s all I look at
Makes sense to be a suicide cause it kinda adds up. Say she was a spy and she was "identified" so in order not to be caught by the enemy she kills herself. Now she doesn't want to leave any trace behind so she takes pills to kill herself. Then when she is almost unconscious sets herself on fire to leave no trace behind. The removal of labels etc also fit into this theory of not leaving a trace behind.
Well, I believe it was a set up. Definitely. She was probably a hooker or working with someone that's like a spy. Who knows but I believe it's a set up. God I just love mysteries!
i think it was an assisted suicide or she had planned to commit suicide and then the murderer set her on fire after she took the pills
She may have set herself on fire so that its harder to identify her face because it was burnt
This case is so interesting and frustrating! Georgia Marie did a great video on it awhile ago and it's one of the cases that still bothers me the most to think about!!
Definitely a spy. Most likely attempted suicide, as someone was after her. Alas, the pills didn't do the trick but the fire did. Left behind jewelry was not intentional, murderer(s) probably meant for her to take them off and take both the jewelry and body with them but must have been interrupted some how. Interesting case indeed!
Maybe she took the pills before she put herself on fire? Maybe she hoped to fall asleep before the fire got too large so she would avoid most of the pain?
I love how you pronounced Norwegian names and places! I'm wondering if it was you that made the hole video? Because it was really cool that some things was written in Norwegian and I'm pretty sure it was Norwegian money in it.
These fucking idiots and their disrespectful plagiarised videos.
I think it was both a suicide and murder, maybe someone found out who she was , or something happened that maybe made her commit suicide and at the time she took the pills and enemy agent was already planning on murdering her which would explain the fire
Maybe she was trying to kill herself because she has been caught and wanted to go out the easier way. She ran away to the place and the murder set her on fire and ran. Idk
The wigs explain the different names..... IMA SNATCH YOUR WEAVE!
Or she was a spy and she was being chased, so instead of being captured and interrogated she used the pills to commit suicide rather than be caught. The people who were chasing her thought she was dead and brought her to the trail so they could dump the body. And they decided to burn her body, so whatever organization she was working for did not find out she was dead or had been made in case there where other spies from her country in the area that they could still catch. and again the pills had not killed her yet so she was alive when the fire was started. This theory also works because if the government from the country she was killed in was involved in her murder or suicide they would not actual help the police find out who she was or what happened, because they already new.
I think that what happened was; someone forced her to take the pills to kill her Then they thought she was dead, so they lit her body on fire to destroy evidence and make it impossible to identify her. But when they lit her on fire it turned out she wasn't dead only passed out. So she actual dies from the fire, but the pills where the intended murder weapon only they didn't work fast enough so she was burned alive.
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I bet she either was a con artist whose partner murdered her or she was running away from an abusive partner. Either way it was someone close to her.
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Theory courtesy of my friend liv: The woman was a spy who had people coming after her for something like they knew her true identity or she owed them money or she knew something she wasnt supposed to know or something else spy like. She was then on the run from these people because she didnt want to be caught and/or killed. Being a spy and being on the run explains the multiple passports, wigs, and other disguise items. As to her death, perhaps she had come to terms with the fact that she was in trouble and her pursuers were catching up to her so she took the many sleeping pills to kill herself peacefully before someone else could. This explains the pills and the way in which her belongings were set near her when she died. It could then be assumed that they unfortunately caught up to her anyway before she could die and then set her on fire with the gasoline which would explain the gasoline and her actual method of death. Overall a really interesting case, thanks for this video and all the other awesome ones!!!
sounds like my great grandma
Also what if she knew someone was gonna follow her so she took the pills and they found her then they burned her, like oof but maybe?
My theory is that she was a vampire. That would explain the money, passports and wigs. She was tired of living for such a long time that she decided enough was enough, took sleeping pills to try to fall asleep (something vampires can’t do, I think) and laid herself outside so she would burn and die when the sun came up. The garlic scent that the cashier guy remembers is due to her decaying teeth maybe?
What if they threw it away cuz it smelled bad like garlic bad, celebrity boot dude said she smelled like garlic
Who else was trying to figure out the actress who played the Isdal woman
Wait she kept on asking to change rooms maybe she was being hunted down
seems like she just committed suicide and wanted to burn her face off so she couldn't be identified
IF she were a spy or some sort of agency, she might have swallowed all of those pills and caught herself on fire or something to get rid of any evidence she had I dunno...Never go hiking alone, kids.
Hi. So I would just like to point out that 1. Burnt flesh smells like cooked chicken. And 2. No. Cyanide takes much, much longer than the five seconds they give it in the movies (shits not realistic)
"and this family would know what burnt flesh smelled like?" YEAH. when you stumble across a charred corpse in its crispy corpse pose, in the middle of nowhere, still warm, and smell something burning, wtf are they gonna say? someone farted??
It screams interrogation to me, since she was burned bruises or rope burns wouldn't show up on her wrists, and explains the weird position of them when she was found
She was probably a spy or secret agent. I can see that happening... or I wish that was happening... yea I’ve been watching too many movies.
This may sound a bit morbid, but I think she wasn't alone. I do think she took all those sleeping pills willingly but I don't think she set herself on fire while she was alive. It just doesn't make any sense, she was going to die anyway. I think somebody tried to burn her body while she was unconscious, but that person thought she was already dead. Also I don't think the spy theory holds much water since she just moved around too much. Many spies setteled down, got a job, a family and tried their best to fit into the communities they resided in. I think the woman might have been involved with organized crime. I have a theory that she might have wanted to end it for some reason and asked somebody to burn her body in a place it will likely not be found, Death Valley. As Shane said, who in their right mind goes for a hike there? As I don't have much expertise on organized crime, mobs, cartels, etc. I don't know what kind of role the woman might have played, but I think it might have required her to travel to different higher-ups to make deals or do meet-ups, but this is still just a quess of mine.
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Theory suicide: As she clearly didn't want anyone to know who she really was, she probably set herself on fire purposefully so her body would be unidentifiable. She would have known that the pills would kill her. But in order to disfigure herself beyond recognition she would have to set fire to herself. Obviously an incredibly gruesome way to die - so she took all the pills to ease the pain and begin the process of setting fire to herself before they could take full effect, hence they were still in her system.
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Am I the only person who thought maybe it was both a murder and a suicide? If she was a spy maybe she had someone coming after her, tried to commit suicide with the pills, then her follower came and burned her, not knowing she was already going to die from the pills.
what if she got into some bad business (seeing as she was a spy) and tried killing herself to protect something/not be caught (killing herself by swallowing pills) so she travelled to a secluded place (the closed off hiking trail) to die? but the party or person she was trying to hide from was on her trail and wanted to finish her off themself, so they burned her? her trying to run away from this person would explain the suitcases left at the station.
What if the death of this women was used to tie off loose ends of another spy? it all seems extremely armature for someone that has access to multiple passports in my opinion. What i mean is what if the belongings found didn't belong to this women in fact but belonged to someone else who planted them on this person in order to fake their own death as maybe their contract had ended, i don't know if the identity of the dead women was at all linked to the identities of the women seen in the hotels or the store so maybe this is just completely wrong but it's really odd that the Norwegian intelligence didn't even consider this.
This would be an interesting movie to make, if there isn't one already. I’d definitely love to see it!
This is my theory. I think it was assisted suicide. I think she was a spy and she fell in love with the wrong person (enemy maybe) and now she's in trouble with the people she works for. she knows that she's wanted so her and this other person (let's call him Harry for example) go off into the valley and decide what to do. The desicion is that she kills herself to protect Harry from harm. They spend a special final evening together. bruise in neck (lovebite/Hickey) have some drinks (explains the bottles and she uses them to take pills) once they realised the pills will take ages to work they decided to use the petrol they brought with them. Harry covers her in petrol and sets her on fire. He hides the petrol (which later is found) He placed her things in a certain way which makes the situation look less suspicious. He made a run for it but covered his tracks.
Whaat -i commented asking you to look her up months ago! Im so glad you actually did it (even if it wasnt because of my comment!) Xx
With all the money and passports and such, you can say she was well founded. Burning part is definitely for the make her unrecognizable. Sleeping peels could be used to make case seem like a suicide. So this means the one who do it is a spy aswell. So I am thinking it could be made by one of her people. She could be doublespy, or one that about the go rogue, or one that went rogue. If so it was very successful you can say.
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What if the burning was an attempt to further conceal the identity of the woman, either by herself to protect someone or by her killer to avoid them being found. Also, is it not possible that forcing her to take the pills was an act of mercy, in that she would hopefully not be fully awake at the time of burning.
I feel hungry for chicken and rice now...
Surely the setting on fire makes a lot of sense because it completely hides her identity. She’s taking so much effort to get rid of any labels or other factors that could indicate as to who she is, burning her self/someone burning her will ensure that no one will be able to identify her as any of her defining features would be eradicated in the fire
What if she had intended to kill herself and after taking the pills she lit a fire in an attempt to inhale the carbon monoxide for a higher chance of dying, hence the monoxide particles in her lungs. But in trying to do this she accidentally set herself on fire (maybe the pills started kicking in and she got dizzy) Alternatively, she may have come into trouble and death was her only way out so she had a fellow spy burn her after she’d become unconscious from the pills in the hopes that it would conceal her identity Did they find any fingerprints on the petrol can?
Its itchy to have label on clothes
"Look at you with your celebrity boots"
You should do a show about Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, the missing hikers.
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This was made reeaally well!
Ive got an idea she probably had the overdose on pills and she knew it didn’t work so she decided to burn herself and especially her face so when people saw her they couldn’t find out who she was
If she was a spy, she might have committed suicide and burnt her face to cover her identity AS a spy. Wouldn't that make sense?
My theory ... She ate the pills as she knew someone was after her And was about to hurt her She thought the pills would be less painful than what the person was about to do The pills didn’t take action yet Then the murderer tried to hide the body....Acidentally hit it in the neck to show it over Then burnt the face only so no one would know who she was
I get an accidental fire, but how do you accidentally take over 50 pills? I've taken a dose of medicine, forgotten I did, then taken it again, but that's slightly different.
I don't think actual spies all walk around with cyanide pills. You guys need sources that aren't James Bond movies
Germany or America in results makes perfect sense. Genetically they would be very similar.
I agree with her as a spy and that will explain why she removed the labels, many passports,and wigs and I think she has a loved one kidnapped and was forced to eat the pills and was eventually killed.
Y’all these videos scare me
good stuff
i think the set myself on fire thing is to conceal her identity
In my opinion, if she was truly a spy, she probably set herself on fire so that her face would be unidentifiable when someone would find her after she committed suicide... If she went through the trouble of erasing her real identity and the labels on her clothes and pills, etc. then the next logical step would be to wipe out her face (bc other than James Bond, there is no spy that should be recognizable, right?)
She set herself on fire to try and make herself unidentifiable. Am I really the only person who’s thought this?? The sleeping pills were to numb her, they put her to sleep while she burnt alive.
Please do the piketown murders in piketown ohio. Would be perfect for this show
This is either a The Americans situation and a Good Behavior situation lmao. If it's The Americans, my guess is her own side decided to get rid of her for whatever reason, sent another agent(s) to kill her but they maybe knew her or maybe she was expecting it and layed her watch and stuff on the rock, took the pills to make the death easier and then the other agent(s) burned her so she would be unidentifiable. Definitley wasn't a suicide though.
She was a spy, planned to burn herself that way she wouldn’t be identified but before burning herself alive she wanted to swallow sleeping pills to lessen the pain.
Or it was aliens
Marilyn Monroe!! Do her!
They should do 2pac
When watching this i had a thought about why the labels are removed... if you can find the specific style number of an item of clothing you can then find stores that sell it in the area, then see who’s bought the item, and match those people up with the body. I dont know if that’s actually practical but it’s just a thought.
Could the fire have been used by her murderers to try and conceal her facial and other frontal bodily features? If she was in fact a spy, and her body was only burnt on the front, the murderers may have given her so many pills to give her a dignified way of going out. They may have thought she was dead, but she may have just been drifting off due to not all the pills being absorbed in her blood. Because they thought she was dead at this point, they may have gone on to burn her frontal features to conceal her identity, not realising she was dead and therefore causing her to breath in some smoke particles. I think the whole concealment of features theory is probable, and clearly worked to some extent because they didn’t know what she looked like and had to release drawings of her face many years later. Even now they don’t know who she was.... Really interesting food for thought!! :)
TAGS CUT OFF, UNKNOWN PEOPLE, CHECKING INTO SO MANY DIFFERENT HOTELS... THE SOMERTON MAN GUYS. COME ON, THEY'RE THE SAME THING.
i think what happened was someone was after her (being a spy and all) and she knew. so, she swallowed the pills to try and kill herself before they could attempt to get any information out of her or something along those lines. the person after her came along and found her basically fucking dead, but decided to light her on fire to cover any evidence of all this happening. or maybe even, this was a planned scene with another person/spy on her side. the woman was being chased and so her friend spy agreed to light her on fire after she swallowed all of those pills to burn her from discovery of the other party.
Okay okay my theory is that she was a spy and got caught. The people that caught her wanted answers from her so burnt her in certain places to get her to talk, using pain to get information out of her. She somehow got out and found some pills, and I mean thinking about it, aren’t spies trained to kill themselves to keep them from giving information? So maybe she grabbed them and realized she wasnt going to make it so she consumed the pills and died and The people that caught her dumped her body. BOOM. I watch way too many movies.
you should make a video talking about the disappearance of a icelandic man named Geirfinnur, the case is called "geirfinnsmálið"
You guys get funnier each ep keep shane tho u guys are like batman and robin but the detective versions
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Go to the congress hotel in chicago
I'm sure someone else has said it but like - she scratched off all identifying information from her clothes and possessions right? Isn't the fire kind of doing that to her face? The most identifying feature of all. Maybe she was part of a spy ring/cartel/mob, she wanted out but wanted to protect her family or others that might be connected to her that could be at risk. So she commits suicide by taking pills and burning off her face.
So say, what if she feared her supposed murderer so much, that she would be willing to commit suicide. However, what if time was crucial, causing her to swallow a generous amount of pills. However, once again, time limited her, causing her killer to achieve his aim.
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maybe the people who were behind her murder wanted it to look like a suicide and maybe it took too long or she tried to escape and when they opted for burning her alive it was too late to make any sense, idk
The fire was to hide her identity
The possibility of her dying on accident because of the hairspray still wouldn’t make sense because it doesn’t explain the pills
hit-man forced her to take the pills. he didnt wait long enough and decided to get rid of evidence by setting her on fire. she wasnt dead yet and died burning alive. she was most likely sleeping with spies as their prostitute.
You should go back and compare the facts between the Isdal woman and the Somerton man pretty please.
Maybe she did swallow her pills and set herself on fire to disfigure herself so she cannot be identified. Maybe she was being pursued and she decided to kill her self
LA people are weird :D
Alright. One time I ate something that was just completely delicious. But it had a /little/ something. It was a strong flavor but it blended so well I could not put my finger on it for the life of me. It literally took me four hours to realize that it was just. Garlic.
So garlic at that time was actually pretty rare to smell. Garlic didn't get very popular until the late 80s I believe. So its understandable it was not immediately know what smell that was
she had all the labels on her clothes cut off, if you've watched the episode about the Sommerton man he also had all the labels on his clothes cut off... weird that they're both mystery people, I'm confused, is this some kind of weird thing murderers do when they don't want the body to ever be identified? seems like a weird idea
Guys, like what about.. she was forced to take the pills? Then when she fell asleep.. someone lit her on fire?
*GUYS. THERE IS LOGICAL REASONING AS TO WHY THE ISDAL WOMAN WOULD HAVE BEEN BURNED.* in the case of a suicide: maybe the reason the Isdal woman went as far as to burn her front was specifically for the fact that her features would no longer be distinguishable. if she had truly been a spy, and would not have wanted to be identified (even after her death), the only way to hide her features without physically manipulating her face herself, would be to burn it. this would easily explain why she didn't let herself die from a sleeping pill overdose, but instead opted to set herself on fire as well. this also explains why only her front was burned, because she would not have been able to burn herself fully without any sort of assistance. in the case of a homicide: the previous reasoining would still apply. if the murderer wanted to be sure they weren't caught, they would not want the Isdal woman's identity to be found, because she could be somehow traced back to them. burning only her front would be all that was necessary to make her unidentifiable, so they wouldn't go through the trouble to fully burn her alive. as for the sleeping pills, they would be another precaution (since there was a possibility that she would live through the burning). if not that, they could have simply wanted her to feel unwell or sleepy before they killed her, because that would make it more difficult for her to fight back/escape. even if she was murdered or she commited suicide, there is quite good reasoning as to why the Isdal woman would have been burned, even after she swallowed 50-70 sleeping pills. the burning of her front was to keep her identity a mystery, and the pills were to make sure her death was imminent. although it is unsure which of the two death scenarios happened, it's quite clear that there was a more logical mindset to the burning of her body other than what is being thought up.
Fenella Lorch is the fakest fake name I have ever heard.
This is so obvious. She was a spy. Removed labels always means spy. Also, the family was there b/c the parents were going to kill their kids b/c they couldn't afford them anymore. They saw the body, got spooked, and to prove to themselves they really were good people, they reported the body to the police. She lost her cyanaid pill. She had to kill herself and disguise her identity. She doused herself in gasoline, took the pills so she wouldn't feel the pain, waited until they kicked in, and dropped a lit candle on herself. She was laying on her back, so only the top got burned.
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Y'all should do the Barbie and ken murderers
I live ONE HOUR away from Death Valley!!
what if she committed suicide and set herself on fire to hide her identity ?
The pills they used were definitely TicTac’s. Yum
My theory is that if she really was a spy and this was a suicide, she likely finished her mission for whatever cult-y secret organization and was required to hide traces of her ever existing. She may have figured that a fire would burn her whole body beyond recognition which explains the gasoline. And I’m guessing she took the sleeping pills hoping that she would be knocked out while the fire burned her. But her timing must have been off because it wasn’t absorbed into her blood yet and she burned while semi-conscious
International spy or international prostitute
Was the garlic smell fruity-garlicy?
Is Marilyn Monroe's death still a mystery? If so, FIGURE IT OUT.
The actual atomic blonde
She was a spy she burned herself to conceal her death
Would it be possible that the pills were shoved down her throat after the fire to make it look like a suicide?
Maybe she was discovered and wanted be unidentified after dead, and she may had someone help her.
I think that she took the pills so she could safely fall asleep then she sent herself on fire so her identity is not easily identified which brings me to my next conclusion she is a spy... why would she have all of these identities? Maybe she was working for herself or a lesser organization the government or governments do not know about and they have their own special intelligence agents to know what is actually going on on this world?!
I love that they mentioned ricky goldsworth
I think she was definitely trying to make herself 100% unidentifiable by removing the labels and burning herself. And she succeeded.
she set herself on fire to hide her face in death, the pills were for the pain.
People, the DNA test said she was genetically from North America, the isotope test said that she grew up near the French/German border..... the isotope test is extremely accurate and if she was N.American and grew up in Europe, her parents could’ve been military personnel and that’s how she got into the spying game.
what if she knew someone was coming to kill her so she took the pills but the murder got to her before the pills kicked in and the murder didnt know she took the pills and set her on fire.. ?
Suicide - she burned her face to conceal her identity
How much time do you think they spend looking through thesauruses to find new adjectives to use in their titles lol
Unsolved mystery of MJ (Micheal Jackson)
she went there to kill herself with the pills, someone followed her and decided to properly remove the identity by burning her face.
Literally paused to actually laugh at the office reference
I feel like if it were cover ups for a spy the murder would want to remove all traces of her as well? So the jewellery could not belong to her and the fire is a way of hiding her identity, I guess the luggage was just a slip up
I think it was suicide because yes she wanted to use the pills but wouldn’t she wanna burn herself so people don’t know her identity? as they said she could be a spy and she had been so secretive before that .. who knows these videos keep my brain working
Right, so my guess at 8min in is that she's a...spy helper? Idk what you'd call it, she assists in the disappearing of people - makeup, foreign money, it sounds like she didn't want to be known yet the lack of passports would indicate she doesn't want to leave the area either hence why she helps others. Her death could be from someone she assisted who went the extra step to ensure his escape cleanly. And the notepad could be bank account and coords? Idk thats my attempt haha
I actually have another theory. If she was a spy, let's say maybe she knew someone was after her so she took the sleeping pills before they could catch up and get information out of her. But she was too late and the other person caught up with her before the pills killed her. The murderer could have used burning her as a method of torture to get info out of her before she died, and then placed her body and jewelry in Death Valley.
I think the reason why had multiple passport is that she maybe had a cazy ex or something like that so she was all ways on the move
the front of her body being set on fire was obviously to conceal her identity edit: and perhaps the pills weren't just to kill her, but to make setting herself on fire easier? one more thing: did no one look into the pills? if they're over the counter, where are they sold? if they're prescription.... that's easier to track
Maybe she had some money and was running from someone or a group of people ...
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I always remove labels on my clothes cause they irritates me and they itch. But even the labels on bottles are gone is just weird and suspicious.
I think the pills were the main plan to kill her, and the fire was to make sure she was dead, and to conceal her identity. Even though all of her labels were scratched off and there was a minimal trace behind her, burning her face and fingerprints beyond recognition would ensure no one would figure out who she was because it could lead to who killed her. Or if it was a suicide, it could lead back to who she worked for.
Over dosing wouldn’t be as simple as just falling asleep
what if she knew she was about to be burned alive so she tried to OD which is less painful.
The woman must have gone tanning in the sun and fell asleep and never woke up then someone must have put her between the rocks
On the one hand I love this series but on the other it’s super frustrating that the cases are unsolved so you never know what happened
She tried to do an experiment by taking sleeping peels take so much that it would knock herself out instantly then set herself on fire so she wouldn't feel the flames on her and see if she would survived when she would of woke up but clearly the pills didn't work in time call me crazy but I think that case is SOLVED
Maybe she'd taken those pills to attempt suicide and then to completely keep her identify hidden she burned herself , well it did help because her face was unrecognizable .
Maybe she was threatened with burning to death and took the pills to kill herself by sleeping rather than the fire?
My theory is she knew someone was after her and she wasn’t gonna be able to get away. She took tons of pills, scared out of her mind, and made sure her body would be burned so that no one would know who she was. That way all information she found while spying wouldn’t be found and no one could kidnap her and force information out of her.
Was that a Might Boosh reference I hear?
Am I the only one who really didn’t like the reenactment
I think she knew someone was on her trail and fearful, she took the pills so the information would die with her. Whoever was after her caught up before they could work, however, and they struck her in the neck, then doused and lit her on fire.
You guys realise enigmatic means charming right???
There might’ve been a number on the tag of her clothing that could’ve been traced back to the purchase, or traced back to at least a credit or debit card.
Ok, I do think she was a spy but maybe she did take the pills on her own because she knew the jig was up and then someone did set her on fire before the pills did the job.
You know, I think she was a spy, and she knows she was going to get killed by someone due to her being a spy, so she tries to kill herself through the sleeping pills. Sadly, the people caught up with her and tried to talk to her, but since the sleeping pills and her acting woozy, they set her on fire. (Probably injected with something too, maybe to clear the affects of the sleeping pills.)
what if she wanted to commit suicide bc someone was after her or something, and the person comes and doesn't know she already swallowed pills?
im guessing all her passports didnt have pictures of her if they drew sketches of her after finding the suitcase. my theory is, that she was a spy, she swallowed 40 sleeping pills as a backup plan, so the police thinks its a suicide, then burned her front bit of the face to be unrecognisable, because if she is a spy thats probably something youd have to do i guess, especially if she was found out by someone
When it comes to clothing labels, they were probably removed because (I guess not entirely sure) you can identify where and when the clothing was bought or shipped from, by the number that’s on them. I’m not too sure tho. Or if you have any expensive clothing (and she did) you can see the brand of the clothes and there probably weren’t that many expensive-clothing stores in the area... idk that’s my guess
Im not really a fan of the videos of someone acting as the isdal woman, it reminds me of “100 ways to die” which usually looks funny, I don’t know, don’t get me wrong I LOVE THIS SERIES AND I LOVE YOU GUYS KEEP IT UP I’m always waiting for a new episode
Nuclear bomb Delpy my way to go in a massive mushroom cloud tipsy didn’t sky
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If we are following the suicide theory and if she was a spy she set herself on fire so that she would not be able to be identified when she was found. She wanted her identity to be kept a secret till the end of her life and after.
Suicide pills kill within 2-6 hours after ingestion.
Am I the only one who was thinking she was a high priced prostitute? Lol
i think she took the pills as a suicide and then, being a spy, had to erase all evidence of her illegal life so she destroyed her identity by setting herself on fire
Maybe she took the pills to commit suicide, but someone else set her on fire after she was unconscious
well i believe if she is a spy she would know that some ppl are after her ,she might took pills to ease pain then went to the execution site and then asked permission to take off her jewels then got burnt .. sad,strange story to go to bed
One thicc ploooot
what if she tried to commit suicide, (the pills) but then someone set her on fire? idk just a thought feel free to add...
Solved it. Her main goal was committing suicide but she didnt want her body to be discovered or deal with the pain. So she swallowed a bunch of sleeping pills to peacefully, OD. Dosed her clothing in gasoline, and laid on the field in hopes the sun will cause her body to catch on fire so her body can be burnt beyond recognition when she finally dies. MYSTERY SOLVED. Wouldn’t be surprised if they found a cigarette bunt near her body
I think she may have known she was going to be murdered/captured and so tried to take her own life, hence the copious amount of sleeping pills and why put her jewellery was put aside; she was then found and burned by the people hunting her, hence why her back was not burned as she was already lying on the floor ready to die from the sleeping pills.
Pills are to die and the fire to leave herself unidentifiable. Sounds like she was a spy
She could have torn the tags out so no one could see if they were American or European brands
On the spy theory- it may have also been a suicide.. she could have gotten too deep and needed to get out because someone was going to murder her anyways so she took the pills and to make sure she wasn't able to be identified set herself on fire as well.. idk how spies work but this seems reasonable to me.
Maybe she used the fire to burn her face making her unrecognizable/traceable, etc.
Isn't Banjo McClintock this actor who played sherlock?
If it was a suicide mission then she would take the pills to go to sleep and burn herself hoping that she wouldn’t feel it in her sleep
The way you say petrol annoying me
GUYS NO! she didnt want people to identify her so she knew she had to be burned beyond recognition but she didnt want it to hurt so she took the sleeping pills. just in case they burned to her skin, she took her jewelry off and placed them on the rocks. she probably poured the gasoline or whatever on herself and then walked there either to prevent a forest fire or to use the sunlight to start the fire
She probably was trying to get away from someone like an enemy or something and they found her and she knew she coldnt go back to the hotel she committed suicide
Also, this is an example of what would happen if you identified her clothing and makeup brands ( 8:07 )
https://youtu.be/wkej-jsajz8
I think it was a suicide, by the pills, and the fire to hide her identity (makes sense with the spy possibility!)
HAHAH! I cracked up so hard at this part Shane: ‘Uhh.. Hotel Room... Me...’. Ryan: ‘ there you go, you’re strangely European now.’
It may be that she did burn herself if she was a spy. Given that she may be a spy, she might have wanted to mislead people of her identity. Also, just a thought, didn't the passports have photos of the woman on them?
She’s a spyyyy
Running out of adjectives to describe these cases are we
What about a fugitive? Somebody fleeing?
no,, she was forced to take the pills and then set on fire, i believe she didn't know she would be set on fire. maybe she decided falling asleep over a gun shot to the head. after the murderer forced her to take sleeping pills (making it look like a suicide) he set her on fire to hide her identity.
Garlic... Anyone aware that arsenic poisoning causes a pungent garlicky smell when ingested?
Arsenic salts smell of garlic but there's no defining way to tell arsenic is mixed into your food, as there's no color attribute to it, and it doesn't change the texture of your food. There's virtually no way to tell if it was ever mixed into your food. That's why- in my theory, The Isdal woman was poisoned with arsenic and was taken (probably by force?) to the remote area in Death Valley to be killed... but who knows!
More information from Wikipedia: "People who saw or met the woman said she wore wigs and spoke French, German, English, and Dutch. She had stayed at several hotels in Bergen, and repeatedly changed rooms after checking in. She told hotel staff she was a travelling saleswoman and antiquities collector. At several places, she left a standing order: porridge with milk. One witness said she overheard the woman talking to a man in a Bergen hotel. According to the witness, the woman said, "Ich komme bald" (German: "I am coming soon")." ~ Wikipedia, "Isdal Women" Article So what does anyone make of that? I think it adds to the spy theory but it adds even more questions. Why did she leave her order? Why porridge and milk? Was it a clue? Who was the man she was talking to and why was she coming? Who will answer all my questions?
Gorgeous suitcases. I'm really appreciating these recreations
Still waiting for the day Ryan solves the mystery himself.
Maybe she had an abusive spouse?
how hard can it be to set yourself on fire, douse yourself in gas, put the gas by the tree, and then use some matches that'll also burn in the fire, maybe she tried to make herself as unidentifable as possible
An alternative theory to her being a spy could be that she had paranoid delusions of someone coming after her to hurt or kill her. Or that there actually WAS someone she was running and hiding from and they finally caught up to her and killed her. Maybe it was an abusive spouse or abusive relative? That would explain why no one ever came forward to claim her body.
I think that she was murdered and the murder knocked her out because the throat is a pin point for that and that they made her swallow the pills to keep her asleep as the murder wanted to make it a cruel but un traceable murder because burning makes it harder so I think she was murdered
what if she was hiding from someone but they ended up finding her and killing her
I think she was burning her previous persona. She was a spy and got rid of her passports and characters one in awhile and so burned all the evidence in a bonfire. and thats what she used the petrol for - to get the fire going. Her watch and other belongings next to her was the stuff she was about to throw on the fire just after she threw the hair spray on. The hairspray exploded and then she fell back, before throwing the items beside her on.
Maybe she set herself on fire to conceal her identity. If she really was a spy it would not be good for her if people might recognize or somehow trace the body back to a place or person
Fyi..L Pills (Cyanide pills) do kill quickly..within 2mins.
Maybe she did commit suicide, and to make sure nobody could identify her, she purposefully set herself on fire.
maybe she wasn't a spy? maybe she was trying to hide from someone? She had wigs and different passports. possibly to throw someone off from finding her. She changed hotel rooms often and even changed hotels in a single city... its possible she could have been stalked and or abused and was trying to hide from her stalker/abuser
maybe she was a spy, and a foreign spy went to track her. itd explain the wigs and idenities. if the foreign source was keen on tracking her down (maybe she had confidential information). itd explain why her suitcase had such cryptic notes on where she was staying. so maybe a spy broke into her hotel room, forced her to take a ton of sleeping pills so she’d stay asleep, took her out to death valley and burned her so their fingerprints wouldnt be there maybe she was an american spy, and one thats more top secret so the government never fessed up to her real indentity bc of her illegal passports and maybe itd out other spies and that they have spies like that or smth
or maybe she was a spy and didnt like the work and couldnt get out of it, so she killed herself but then realized after downing the pills that itd be obvious she killed herself, she set herself on fire to make it seem like a murder so her government wouldnt be mad or something then in the moment she thought her identity was unidentifiable
I have a theory, that she's a spy and that she is possiblly an insomniac meaning she took the pills at will, then when she asleep another person Force's more down her throat to be certain she wouldn't wake up then to clean up their tracks they attempt to burn her severally so people can't recognize her but possiblly someone almost caught them so they couldn't burn off the fingerprints. Now the motive could be that the person who did murder her was part of a mob or organization she was trying to uncover but came to close that sort of scenario.
There is no way in sweet hell Mary that death was an accident. How do you "accidentally" give someone 70 sleeping pills or "accidentally" BURN THEM?!
I feel like she was running from someone, someone like a violent partner or family member. That's why she had aliases and disguises. Maybe she had stolen their money and that's how she was able to wear those lavish clothes. She took the tags off herself because she may have been paranoid that someone would go to the store on the tag and ask around if an employee had seen her. I think her death was a murder, like that person had finally caught up to her.
What if she burned herself after taking the pills to render her corpse unrecognizable.
Ooooooooooo this is good yessss
what if she was running away from someone in North America (explains her DNA) and came to Europe and was in like a Witness Protection Program type thing, and was really paranoid that they would find her, which explains the wigs, the constant moving of rooms, and code all because she didn't want to be found. Then she thought the person she was running away from found her so she took all those pills to kill herself, but then the person ended up finding her and burned her alive. Case Solved
Rick Goldsberg and Banjo McClintuck
On the subject of removing the clothing labels, I once heard a case where the victim was identified with the help of the button of her jeans. The button had the brand name on it, which was only sold in an Asian country, and that helped a great deal in narrowing down who she was.
Shane lowkey look like Eminem
in Norway its extremely common to people to go through non-hiking trails. People hike all the time and walk almost everywhere. They do it as an activity or just to get from one place to the other, so it’s definitely not odd
Theory: let's say she knew she was in danger and dragged off to death valley surely she would be wary of torture and giving out information to her killer/s so she swallowed the pills to avoid it and end her life saving her from pain and giving out info. Tablets that lie under tongues that are bitten so that soldiers and spies can avoid torture when captured isn't uncommon. Sadly before it enters her bloodstream she is killed in death valley which was specifically chosen to make it look like a suicide. probably not but who knows? Edit: maybe she couldn't get her hands on cyanide spills and went for whatever she had on her.
She removed all the lables from her belongings. To me, it isn't crazy to think she would go to great lengths to remove her identity to stop people finding out who she was. I think she could have taken the pills before hand in hopes they would kill her before the fire did. She took so many pills and waited until the very last minute (before she passed out) to set herself on fire, hoping, the pills would kill her before the fire became too hot. She was found with her arms up because, I am guessing, it's a natural thing to do when faced with heat. Thats my guess, hah.
I think she was a spy, someone found out and didn't like that she was a spy, and killed her.
Did they not think that shy might have wanted to commit suicide but then someone took advantage of her and then burnt her ?
My theory is she planned to die (the sleeping pills) and was burning evidence from her spying - would explain why she was off the trail and the petroil - maybe the wood was damp (the boots and umbrella - it had rained some time before?) so she needed extra fuel for it to burn and it exploded?? Does that make any sense? :)
I think she could have been a spy. Or possibly some sort of performer
Shane likes it T H I C C
What if she WAS a spy and knew she was going to be captured soon so she took the pills to kill herself before she got in the hands of the enemy and then they captured her and burned her in the end
This is probably my favourite episode of this series, I love the role play and it’s really beautifully made, its clear how much work goes into these series
with me being norwegian , the way you said the names were hilarious
G E T R I D O F T H E M A N N E Q U I N
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I was just wondering, is it possible to do the ancentry things on dead bodies- that would give you so many answers.
I would say it was suicide. She took 50-70 sleeping pills (even though I'm unsure why so many) to make sure she'll die and before her death she wanted to completely erase her identity because I also think she might have been a spy or that someone was after her. And other theory I have is, maybe someone helped her commit suicide? That explains the necklace placed on the rock next to her and the suitcases and everything. Really interesting video btw.
3:38 the way Ryan said “petrol” is hilarious.
I mean if it was a suicide the fire makes sense. She could of taken them then set her self on fire. Since if she was a spy she wouldn't want to be reconised so shes making sure she won't be Abel to be identified
They are butchering the names but its okay
lmao i love all the pronouncinacions(?) of the names
how did i not know about this dlvflkdbd
Did no one bring up the possibility that she could have been mentally ill and thought she was being followed or something? Paranoia, psychosis, something close to that, then got suicidal tendencies? Then again, I don't know if any kind of mental illness could make you want to light yourself on fire. I honestly don't believe ANYONE would want to light themselves on fire, not even a spy.
"Hotel room, me"
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i mean i would think that if shes a spy, she would want to get rid of the most discernable part of her body, her face! if shes recognizable and linked to being a possible spy, the jig is up!
I think it speaks to the excellence of the Norwegian state that they held a ceremony with the religion they guessed to be correct and buried her in a special coffin that would be easier to relocate. Those are very kind gestures which restore to the deceased some element of her humanity or personhood, recognizing her as more than a victim or en enigma.
This case really reminds me of the Somertom man/Tamam Shud case
The fruity garlicky smell comes back once more......
Anybody hear Death Valley and think of Fortnite
I also think murdered spy. I guess someone might have put the pills in her food then they saw her walking around later and decided something that would for sure get rid of her an any evidence: burning. Also WHY WAS A FAMILY "HIKING" ON A NON-TRAIL?!
I think she was a spy, she knew she was found out and took a bunch of sleeping pills but they didnt react in time. So then somebody who was after her chased her and burned her alive. Thats just my theory lol
Heard this one before, my opinion is that she's a spy and she needed to commit suicide maybe she didn't want to be a spy anymore or something, maybe she had gotten caught and was running away from someone. She took the pills to feel better but set herself on fire to try and burn away any of her features so that no one could tell what she looked like and that it was her because she obviously did not want to be tracked or known
I think she was in espionage and had so many enemies that she felt as though she had to die. So she took the pills then burned her face to make sure that she wouldn’t be identified because she was in espionage or something
Someone discovered whatever she was doing, if she really was in fact a spy, took the pills and burnt her face/front so nobody could identify her. Case closed.
what if she knew someone was after her and consumed the pills before she could be tortured or something, but the person found her and killed her before the pills could take action?
She was murdered and the burning would take away her identity if she was a spy
For all of the reasons you already said, it does seem like a suicide, BUT what no one took into account was that she was involved in some sketchy stuff, so what if she took the pill and tried to make a fire so that her body would be unidentifiable or not found at all?? Maybe thats why she ditched all of her stuff- and she took the sleeping pills to die peacefully and just failed to make a good fire to do the job once she was dead??
Breadsticks. Boots. Burning myself alive.
Great pronounciation on the name Asbjørn, Ryan - Hilsen en Nordmann :D
y’all should do jane Stanford
Ryan trying to pronounce Norwegian names is so cute lmao. But I'll give him props for at least trying
I think maybe she killed her self in such an odd way because she knew that no one could figure out what happened to her because she’s a spy
Maybe she burned herself/ was burned so she couldn’t be identified
My theory is that she was anxious, probably because someone was coming for her, so she swallowed multiple pills at once. She probably had a colleague or someone burn her alive, so there wouldn't be any trace of her.
11:19 bOi I’m Dutch and Flemish is similar to it
Bruising on the neck could signal forced swallowing of the 50-60 pills. It was set up to make sure they wouldn't know who this Isdal woman worked for. I am thinking perhaps some double agent work was going on. Could have been the daughter of a WWII refugee and was sent to be groomed into the lifestyle of espionage.
It seems logical that she was murdered. Since she was a spy
Maybe the fire was to disfigure her face? Makes it more difficult to identify her.
The sleeping pills take 30 to 1 hour to kick in. So it might still be considered a "Suicide"
Didn’t anyone think she burnt herself to cover up her identity, but couldn’t make herself do it, so she took the pills hoping she’ll fall asleep just as she starts to burn so she wouldn’t need to feel all that pain? I mean if she’s a spy it makes sence she had to burn herself
I think she failed a spy mission and thereofore had to kill herself to avoid being found out
The death by fire would make sense if she was a spy. Taking the pills to kill herself and set her identifying features on fire so that way she couldn’t be tracked or identified upon being found after death.
Would it not make sense that after taking the pills if she really was a spy that she set herself on fire to make her unrecognisable thus burning away her true identity?
Maybe she set herself on fire ( or was set on fire by someone else ) because she/they did not want her identity to be known
Another thing that her was not that burned and if she was wearing a large amount of hair spray then it would have provided enough fuel to make her body burn a little more ( also heavily burning her back ) but nothing like this happened so there is a good chance that someone was there when she died and just a theory of mine that probably her death was a message only meant for her fellow spy's ( if she was a spy which I think she was looking upon the behaviour) or people who were leading her
Ok what if she took the pills as a suicide but was then murdered before the pills took effect.
She could be a Soviet spy.
they found another female in Norway, in Oslo to be exact, with the labels removed from everything. They call this other woman the plaza-woman since she was found shot at plaza hotel in 1995! PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS!! The Norwegian police say they think she's from Germany/Belgium....
The cases are so similar!!!
For someone who seems like they’re on the run, i find it odd that the detectives only found one fingerprint (unless they found more than one and Ryan didn’t mention that) and that she kept a plastic bag connecting to a shoe store even though she removed all the label from her other belongings. This might seem far fetched but I think the Isdal woman faked her death. My guess is she, let’s call her A, found a woman, let’s call her B, who looked similar to her. When B was alone, A whacked B on the neck to knock her out. A forced B to swallow sleeping pills, either before or after taking B to Death Valley (I don’t have an explanation of how she did this), placed the boots on B’s feet and the jewelry on the rock, poured gasoline on B’s body, and then burned her so that her face will be unrecognizable. Before leaving Death Valley, A placed the petrol container somewhat nearby and the suitcases at the train station before taking one to leave the city. I’m obviously no detective so I could be wrong lol.
Sounds like they found Carmen Sandiego...
the short scenes of the woman standing at the top of the hill scared me every time I saw it
I think she was running from someone and paranoid
Can you guys do on about the death of Vincent van Gogh?
Idk if someone said this already, but what if she didn't want someone to be able to identify her so she set herself on fire after taking the pills? Like, she used the petrol and then took the pills and then set herself on fire?
For those who care to know, burnt flesh has a sweet smell to it. Nothing like it in the world...
I personally think she killed herself. If she were to be murdered by someone within such a serious agency as she is theorized to be apart of, they could have many, manyyy more convenient ways of killing her than sleeping pills + setting her on fire. Sleeping pills are the easiest way to go but as a spy, you MUST conceal your identity. She also took concealing her identity very, very seriously in life so I definitely see herself setting herself on fire in order to do so in death. The sleeping pills ingested would maybe help, somewhat, the pain caused by the fire or make her slip into such an unconscious state that the fire wouldn't feel so -- real.
I think she knew she was going to be killed so she took the pills before it could happen. I think she fell asleep but when the people who came to kill her found her she wasn't quite dead yet but they didn't care. They burned her to try and hide her identity since, yknow, spies.
Nothing makes me press the back button quicker than seeing fucking "Buzz Feed". Internet cancer.
I think someone made her take the pills, then tried to burn her body.
What if she was a hitman, and she was getting ready to go on her mission by getting new boots and etc; then she might of been being hunted down by another hitman, and knew he/she was going to kill her. So In an attempt to survive she retreated to another place far away from her original destination. But the hitman finally found her again while she was on the run and staying in hotels, so she tried to kill herself so he/she wouldn’t get the bounty. But it failed, and so the hitman found her and lit her on fire...or maybe she just killed herself after the pills took to long. But anyways, their is a possibility that she killed herself, but I personally think it was another hitman.
I think as far as the pills/burning thing goes, it could be that the murderer had a gun on her and the gas and like a match and was all like “you can either take the pills and die in your sleep, or I’ll set you on fire while you’re conscious” so she took all the pills. Then she seemed to be falling asleep, and the murderer may have thought she was already dead and started burning her. Either way, it would make sense for them to burn her if she was a spy, because they would want to remove all her facial features so she could not be recognized. Because considering the time frame, they didn’t really have to worry about people identifying her in some other way. It was before many types of forensic testing existed. It makes sense to me that they would want to kill her in a really bizarre way, because even if it creates a lot of weird mysterious intrigue, it’s not gonna look like just a hit job, so “spy” wouldn’t come to mind for most people. The murder probably wasn’t expecting her suitcases to be found. She may have known she was about to be murdered and that’s why she left them at the train station. The only part that still doesn’t make sense to me is why they didn’t try to burn the woman’s hands as much as they burnt her face. The fact that they could get a fingerprint from the woman to match to anything seems bizarre to me, but especially if it was a spy assassination. You would think that an assassin would know to get rid of anything like that, but clearly they didn’t in this case. It’s just odd to me.
Ricky Goldsworth and Banjo McClintock seem like polar opposites and I find that to be kinda fascinating.
These are amazing! Tbh, you guys don't need to be blowing your budget on the reenactments because they seem cheesy. It's much better as a conversation and with the animations you already had.
You should do the Oregon state hospital
Now we need a Who Makes A Better Spy? video.
maybe she set herself on fire to cover her identity. like. only put gasoline on her face so no one would know who she was - which worked - cause yknow she's a spy
maybe she set herself on fire because she didn't want people to know her identity, also, if it was a murder, same thing, they burned her so that she wouldn't be traced back to some spy organisation, idk
How bout’ malaysia?
Or maybe she set herself on fire to be unrecognizable
Maybe she was a spy, and tried to commit suicide with the pills, then some other spy found her and did some crazy pressure point stuff on her neck to paralyse her, then burned her because they didn't know about the pills. This honestly is a really baffling case, but I'm pretty sure she was a spy from all the evidence.
I think it was a suicide. She rubbed all the labels off of her things. She took the pills and became unconscious but not yet dead. She could've set some kind of timer that sets fire to herself when she died so she can become unidentifiable. But she miscalculated the time and the flame lit up while she was still alive. She could've been running away from something or someone. Or she could've had some kind of mental disorder (similar to the one that maybe the Tromp family had in another episode) where she thought something was after her. It seems as though she traveled through different countries, she could've been an illegal immigrant or something like that.
the Isdal woman is a murdered suicide spy, maybe she commit suicide and when her enemy found her, they remove everything so that some information that she had won't be revealed when her identity published, like... maybe her identity had a connection to the enemy's secret
what if she was running away from someone? it explains the multiple passports and the wigs and different identities so that the person who was after her could never really get to her
Bring back paranormal videos
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Fun fact: a lot of cyanide pills were made with glass, so the cyanide would enter the bloodstream quicker
What if she was burned so that they would have a hard time identifying her.
wait... did she smell like FRUITY GARLIC!?
Maybe she knew that someone was going to come after her eventually and took the pills so if she was captured she would pass out. And maybe then when they found her and if she fell asleep they would've been like "CRAP SHES DEAD" and tried to get rid of her with the fire and the bruises came from them being rough with her.
The Adventures of Ricky Goldsworth and Banjo McClintock
she could have been committing suicide with the pills then she could have been lying down and someone could come up and put fuel on her and set her on fire
Personality I think she was running away from someone, decided to commit suicide to escape them. And she was found during her suicide and murdered.
She could've set herself on fire so she couldn't be identified, the pills were taken beforehand so she wouldn't feel it as much
I know three people who have committed suicide by setting themselves on fire. I still don’t understand it but it doesn’t seem super unbelievable to me that she may have done it. Even if she fell into a fire she started because the sleeping pills had only just begun to take affect
Hit woman?
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Perhaps she did something to upset someone and knew they were tracking her down and took all the sleeping pills to try and kill herself, but it didn't work fast enough and the person looking for her found her and set her on fire then pushed her over the cliff?
Do the Winchester house in San Jose California
If she was a spy ,she was given training to kill themselves if they are found out usually with cyanide ,but to make it look more like a suicide by using sleeping pills .And the fire could have been caused by her employer to burn away anything evidence of importance ,and they hide her belongings in plain sight. This all causing confused among the investigation and lead them to a dead end so the case couldn't be solved.
As a therapist I can tell you that many of my suicidal clients have thought about the "ideal way" to die by suicide, and oftentimes they've talked about od'ing and then setting themselves on fire in case they don't take the proper dosage, or od'ing and then hanging themselves when they start to feel ill. But for this case I agree that it couldn't have been a suicide. It looks like someone tried to make it look like a suicide.
Maybe she burned herself so that nobody could see who she was. And took the pills because she didn’t know what pills they were. Because she rubbed the label off.
If she was a spy the burning makes sense. If she carried wigs had multiple passports, used fake names and never had any labels, she obviously did not want anyone to know who she was. Best way to ensure no one knows who you are, even in death? Burning a body beyond recognition. If she really was a spy, she has a damn good one
I don't find the pills and fire confusing at all, taking the pills to numb the pain of the fire. Sure fire is a very bad way to go, but if you were to do it, wouldn't you want to numb it as much as you can? Also this case have quite a few similarities as the Somerton Man... Very odd
Great representation of norway!
She probably set her self on fire so they wouldn’t identify her dead body cause she clearly didn’t want no one to know who she was
The way I see it, if she was a spy, it was a suicide by injecting the pills and then she set herself on fire to destroy evidence or make it harder for someone to figure our her identity once she was dead.
jeez! obviously she was a hig paid prostitue and her customer in norway didnt want her to spill any t... or thats my theory and its a hellavalot more better than the spy theory.... i mean what would a spy do in norway when the fucking cold war is happening?? and the missing theeth etc.. its the customer thats covering his tracks, maby a police officer? :D
There are some details that are missing that need clarification. If it's truly suicide or an accident, the "bonfire" and/or the container of petrol would be right there next to her. Neither fact is clear from the story (In fact, the video implies the petrol was some distance away). It seems to me that if the petrol was not close at hand, she didn't douse herself with it. Someone else did and then moved the can to the other location.
Hi, I was just wondering if you could look into "The plaza woman on rom 2805" ( Plaza-kvinnen på rom 2805). She was an elegant young woman who was shoot in the head in her hotel room in Oslo, Norway. All her belongings had there labels removed. She told the receptionist a fake name, and clamed she was from Belgium. Later the police assumed thet she might have been from Germany. This really reminded me of the isdal woman, but the plaza woman was killd in 1995. Maybe the deaths are related. Hope you check it out. From a very supportive Norwegian watcher
Just a thought. What if she actually planned to burn herself in order to get rid of her identity but something went awry along the way and she didn't manage to complete the intended task. I mean if she was a spy it'd make sense for her to burn off anything that will lead to her recognition (i.e. facial recognition + fingerprints + all that jazz).
Americans trying to pronounce norwegian names will never not be funny.
I’ve been catching up !!!! Missed so much. You guys should make a channel just based on this ( buzzfeed supernatural)
maybe she was changing her identity and her hotels because she was being followed. and she was trying to throw the follower of her grid.
this one creeped me out so much!!! I'm a bit afraid now!!
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Someone could have burned her to attempt to mask her identity.
Explanation for the suicide fire. Takes pills douses herself in gasoline lays down then strikes a match, falls asleep thusly dropping the match and causing the fire, as to why? Perhaps it was part of her training. "If you're ever in a situation where you will die destroy any possible connection to us including your body" The only thing that stumps my theory is why she was burned only on the front half
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This is a wild theory but I imagine she was probably either a spy or a criminal bc of her suspicious behavior and her apparent wealth. She probably either was very depressed or very worried about getting caught (if she was a criminal) she probably hoped nobody would ever find her so she had to burn her own body in efforts to completely vanish. The hypothetical people who were after her might possibly target her family if they found out her true identity. She didn't want to be awake or feel herself being burned so she took the pills used the gas can poured a trail leading to her body and lit it and ran to her designated area. She soon fell asleep before the flames got to her.
I’m going to have you swallow these sleeping pills, lower your inhibitions, question you, burn you.
Ooh, that camera turn in the beginning. Good job Ryan! Everyone loves a good camera turn
Wait you said she wasn’t alive when burned but her arms were up like a boxer which is found in a lot of burned victims?
There was smoke in her lungs so she was alive when the fire started.
Maybe she wasn't a spy, maybe she did something to make her need to be on the run constantly from a person and/or group of people. That would explain the passports, fake IDs, and disguises. She may have got tired of running and eventually got driven to suicide. She would plan to overdose but she didn't want her identity known or didn't want the person she was running from to know she died. So she removed any trace of herself and on the verge of death she burned her front so she would not be identified by authorities. That is my theory.
I live in Bergen, but i have never heard of this!
I'm weirdly way too excited about Belgium being mentioned in an Unsolved video aha
Is it just me but the whole burnig of the body thing reminds me of s8 ep1 of doctor who
I want to see Banjo McClintock and Ricky Goldsworth appear on a video together.
THAT...DAMN...STATUE...BEHIND...SHANE!!!!!
The overall theme or intent here is the erasure of identity. I believe she planned on incinerating herself all along. Perhaps she took the sleeping pills not as the actual suicide attempt itself, but rather in an attempt to numb herself from the pain to come as she set herself on fire.
Guys, the doll in the background is back
The fire probably serves as a way to protect her identity. I doubt it was originally supposed to be used to kill her, that’s what the sleeping pills were for, but a way to make sure she was unidentifiable. It was probably done in a hurry, since everything was still nearby and the backside of her wasn’t burnt. Or, whoever burned her could’ve just not deemed it necessary to burn her entire body. The way she died and the bruise on her neck suggests that she didn’t die willingly, as she was in a fighting position when she died. The bruise, though on the neck, couldn’t have been from forced swallowing because it was only on the one side of her neck, and even if it wasn’t if you grab at someone’s neck while they’re trying to swallow, you constrict their throat. What that does suggest, however, is a blunt force applied to the side of the neck. The side of the neck contains a disproportionate amount of nerve endings, and it hurts like hell if you get hit there hard enough. It definitely hurts enough to cause a momentary hesitation, or even sometimes unconsciousness. This suggests she was fighting, or at least struggling, and they needed some way to subdue her. This also suggests that whoever delivered the blow to her neck was familiar with anatomy, or at the very least, familiar with ways to subdue a person. My guess is that she was either a double agent or a spy that was caught by the side she wasn’t on, she had seen to much to let live, but identifying her would incriminate themselves. So whoever killed her forced her to take sleeping pills originally, then burned her to mask her identity. This was all done in a rush, which is why everything was laid out and not taken with them or disposed of.
Do the Menendez Brothers case!!
What if she had split personality and used it to her advantage and that she was a spy like he said and was from Eurasia but some of her personality didn’t fully know English so when those personalities took over they went to a hotel to not get caught not knowing English so she left after switching personalities that knew English and that could explain the wigs if some like that style that’s a stretch though but does explain the several passports and different names and she either killed herself because she was being tailed or she was trying to kill herself with the pills but passed out before dying the killer found her before she died and used the hair spray to light s controlled fire to kill her and used the gasoline from the petrol to intense the flame so she would die with her face burned and the killer removed everything with anything revealing her Identity then sent her stuff to confuse police and didn’t get rid of the code because the killer couldn’t figure out what it meant so he had no use of it. How’s that theory
if she took the pills herself, maybe she did burn herself too. think about it: her face was burned to the point where she was unrecognizable, and she had 8 different identities and was very against labels or proof of her having or doing anything. idk just a thought. could explain why she took her jewelry off and the burns were in certain spots. maybe the sleeping pills numbed the pain
I was considering this the entire video, but I want to throw the prospect of a suicide out there again. It's possible that she messed something up completely and realized she was at the end of the line, or possibly felt her death was needed for some unknown cause. But still, she couldn't afford her identity to be known. She comments suicide with the pills and has a coworker or friend burn her body so it is not identifiable. The bruise on her neck could be from her own grip of fear or possibly her fellow co worker forcing her to go through with the job. Her co worker burns her, discards the evidence, and everything falls under the shadows. Just my theory
I think it was a suicide and she burned the front of her so that her face would be unrecognizable and she wouldn't be identified, probably because she was some sort of spy
Her death was probably due to the rock she was found in, here is how this works. 1. She took the pills 2. The effect of the pills made her collapse 3. She fell on the rock 4. She got the bruise, and died from blunt force trauma. Oh, and as for the burning, she probably had some other person burn her to hide her identity, and the garlic smell would be similar to Gloria's smell at death.
Maybe she was running away from someone..
Maybe that was her intention the whole time, maybe she wanted this mystery to happen. Maybe she didn't want this solved. I think she meant to set herself on fire, and to take all those pills.
Do you think she, or her murderer, could've set on her on fire to try and melt/disfigure her face to make it even harder to identify her? It would make sense, especially if that much care had gone into removing labels and other identifiers.
I hope this is never solved.
Maybe she thought if she did try to kill her self with the pills then tried to burn her body to erase the evidence of her life? I don't know, maybe I'm crazy.
Say wheeez in your posts and getting likes.......BS.
Ok so say she was a spy. She had done a few jobs, made a few enemy’s, someone wanted her dead. They made her swallow the pills to make it look like a suicide. She started to fall asleep or get drowsy, they took off her jewelry and then to “cover their tracks” set her on fire and fled before she burned completely. The fire never burned her completely, leaving the evidence of her body.
I'm the only one that finds it weird to hear these giddy nerds talk about a suicide/murder burning. No shame
if she was a spy; it almost makes since that she’d try to burn herself. if she was so adamant about no one knowing who she is, why would she want her recognizable body out in the open?
“breadsticks, boots, burning myself alive” put that on my gravestone pls
Fire destroys her identity, sleeping pills make it less painful
Is it me or Ryan's way of saying "who is this woman?" is rather eerie
if she was a spy who worked so hard to hide her identity while she was living and she decided to kill herself, it kinda makes sense that she would wanna set fire to herself to hide her identity in death. she probably took all those pills to relieve herself of the pain, and set fire to herself intending to destroy physical evidence of her body so that no one could identify her.
how tall is a 4.5 inches women?????
Omg yes! This was my suggestion so many times! Thanks for doing it!
She could have been at a fire and took loads of pills to die but because of how drugged she was she fell and landed in the fire explaining the boxer position as she was protecting her face (a natural reaction) then because she was a spy someone from her agency moved her body and took off her jewellery and clothes tags so no one would no it was her
"Ø" is pronounced kinda like the "u" trumpet.
I don't think she was a spy!
I'm disappointed that there's no internet theories claiming that this was a sacrifice to a local dragon, carried out by the locals
I think that this was both suicide and murder.It seems crazy but maybe she dismissed want to be a spy anymore and she tried to commit a suicide by swallowing a lot of pills a maybe other spy’s or somebudy didn’t want her identity to be reviled and they on top of her trying to kill herself they set her on fire so that front of her face wasn’t reviled and her identity wasn’t found out.But that’s just a theory,a crazy theory
i think she was set on fire to hide her identity
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this show is the
PETRAL
Do a ouija board
*cough cough* spontaneous human combustion..
one day the Isdal Woman was walking and then boom! spontaneous human combustion.
I seriously need to stop watching these at night
someone could have forced her to swallow the pills and didnt tell her about the fire and did it as a last resort in case the pills failed
For a concentrated dose of Ryan, see timestamp 12:47
Maybe she wasn't a spy, but instead knew that someone was coming after her. She took care of hiding her identity, and running around, trying to avoid her murderer. I don't know, maybe there was a reason she couldn't go to the police, and she had to take matters into her own hands. Who knows? I do think it's very odd, how she took pills, *and* was set on fire. Doesn't really make sense. In any circumstance. Why would you go through the trouble of forcing her pills if you were gonna burn her? Why go through the trouble of burning her if she was gonna die from the pills? It just doesn't make sense. At all, really. I don't know, with this one, I really don't know.
Why are they laughing and sniggering so much about this case? A woman died. Horribly. She was someone's daughter. Maybe someone's sister. Maybe aunt. I don't see the humour.
Cold War related, perhaps?
What if the sleeping pills where used so she couldn't fight the fire. Make her take a lot of sleeping pills, get her a tiny bit drowsy and then light her on fire. I know when I'm seriously drowsy, I don't really understand whats going on around me and I don't think I could fight off anyone with how I just want to fall asleep... I feel weak and heavy, and it makes it hard for me to lift my arms let alone walk.
I hypothesize that this case actually was a suicide. The Isdal woman was quite clearly a spy, or at the very least someone who couldn't reveal her true identity for one reason or another. This bit is evidenced by the wigs and multiple passports. What I believe is, her identity seemed to be compromised for one reason or another so she had to disappear. There was no other option except for suicide, in her mind. She had to work quickly, so she set everything up so her identity nor her purpose or alliances could be figured out. She used the petrol to set things up then set it aside. She forced the pills down her throat rather harshly, which could explain the bruising on her neck. In order to make sure she couldn't be identified, she burnt herself to conceal her defining facial features. It makes sense to me, at least, considering her speculated field of work.
If the pills weren't fully absorbed but she had been found by someone before she had died this could be a suicide. The pills took some time and she could appear dead, probably slowed breathing. Someone could have panicked when they found her and thought of getting rid of the body and not have realized she was still alive when they burned her.
Do one on the alcatraz escapees
Maybe she want to go away from the person who want to catch her and kill her. She is not a spy.
Struck by lightning and fell..
(I´m 15, and using my mom´s mail to write this) You really ought to visit a haunted jailhouse in Oslo, Norway. You could bring your spiritbox, and all the other "ghostbusting" equipment, and come to Norway. I would love to meet you, and be your guide and translator. Because the spirits are Norwegian, and I´m fluent in both english and norwegian + swedish and danish. Please reply to this. It would mean the world to me.
In regards to the suicide theory: is it not a possibility that she set fire to herself in order to disguise her face knowing her body would posssibly be found? I mean was burnt beyond recognition, seems like the behaviour of a spy committing suicide to evade some sort of antagonist
next season should be more paranormal or related topics
everyone is the comments are thinking hard about the case, i'm just here giggling over the way Ryan said petrol 3:48
If she was killed maybe she was burnt to remove any fingerprints or any other forms of evidence also the pills could be used to throw police off track.
If feel like she took the pills attempted suicide then went up the hill for her death place but someone knew she was a spy and attacked her
Watching at 1:12 A.M with my room door closed by myself life over
Maybe she was just a suicidal multiple personalities schizophrenic flight attendant...
She was a spy, and it was suicide. She had to destroy her face, that's the reason for the fire.
11:38 that lick tho
she burned her face off to protect her identity, haven't you guys read Agatha Christie? lol
they probably burned her face so she wouldnt be recognized
What if she had multiple personalities, went insane, wedged herself somewhere, and burned herself alive? OR dipped herself in some nonresistant burning stuff and burned herself partly?
For the neck bruise, cause of forced Idulgement of the pills, possibly to calm her or keep her drowsy while she watched and couldn't fight because some pills we're going into her blood stream but not all were, herself burn. Also does the autopsy reveal any bruises on a soft spot under the ear and next too the jawline? It'll so she was most likely assaulted, pushed on that pressure point to basically knock her unconscious and take her somewhere where they could for force her to take pills and watch herself burn while the pills take affect. Boom. Need I say more?
they're gonna run out of adjectives to use for their titles soon, y'all just watch
Don’t spies have to kill themselves if they are found, to not reveal any information??
What if she is hiding from someone.
these are the only videos that freak me out...
I think I known this from mysteries from Lemmino?!?
It could have been a spy-related assassination. The bruise on her neck could correlate with being forced to swallow the large quantity of pills, and then the killer would try to burn her body, but not do it correctly.
Disagreeing with the boys on this one; I think she killed herself and was determined to keep her identity a secret even after death to avoid implicating the agency she worked for. It would just be such a weird step to add the 50+ pills before killing her and then setting her on fire before they kick in… meanwhile if it was self inflicted, it totally would be possible for her to set herself on fire after taking the pills if she had everything in place beforehand and it makes sense that only the front of her body burned if her focus was to be unidentifiable. Also, believing this gives her a sorta "happy ending" since she totally succeeded in being unidentifiable.
Her story resembles that of the death of the somerton man
Even before they laid out the final pieces of evidence, I immediately thought that the bruise could resemble an injury that led to her capture by possibly some counter intelligence. She would then swallow the pills as a possible alternative to cyanide so she doesn’t give off intelligence, but they did not take effect quickly enough and she was tortured to give up information and either died anyway, giving up the intelligence, or was pretty damn resilient
To me it looks like she was trying to run away from someone, they found her, killed her, and made it look like a suicide
I used to work for the coroner, transporting cases from scene to morgue. Very very common for someone to OD on pills and then go on to hang themselves. A lot of people want to cover their bases so they're not left with a chance to live with the shame of a failed suicide attempt.
Why did you mark a bunch of European countries as Asia, I for one am Latvian (one of the countries you marked when talking about Asia), and unless nobody told me the map got rewritten then I'm pretty sure I'm European
18:41 - 18:57 Swiper, No Swiping!
Apparently you cannot overdose on sleeping pills. Like, they will cause awful side effects, but they won't kill you. That might be why the smoke in her lungs suggested she was burned while alive: she was maybe unconscious or asleep, but not dead.
maybe she was a hunter? ya know, from spn? that would explain the multiple identities, the strange death, the moving. HUNTERS ARE REAL!! okay ill go now
Or she didn't get burnt in the back since she was burnt from the sun, and her skin caught fire
Shane Madej: The Wierdness Intensifies!
Didn't they receive a report that someone claimed to see a woman not dressed for hiking being followed by two men and she mouthed something to the witness that could've been "help me"?
What if she took the pills to commit suicide, and then set herself on fire in the hope of keeping her identity a secret?
I love these episodes, but it really bugs me that the dialogue isn't capitalised at the beginning of new sentences hehe
What if she wasn’t a spy, but a prostitute
A thicc plot
Bread sticks, Boots ,BURNING MY SELF ALIVE :D
What if she was on the run from an abusive partner (multiple passports, disguises), became a bit unhinged trying to keep him off her trail (the weird behavior) and he finally caught up with her (sleeping pills, fire).
Her situation pre-death reminds me of Irene Adler.
Banjo McClintock, I am just dead!
8:13 is he trippin on lsd?
I have a Theory. She was a spy on the run from a rival agent, she knew that they were gonna get her and she couldn't be caught because she didn't want to blow her cover. So she swallowed the pills, knowing that they were going to kill her, then she covered her front in petrol and lit herself on fire. She knew that the pills would kill her and that the fire would render her body unrecognizable so that the rival agent would be thrown off track. She might of done this to distract rival agents from the big mission that her colleagues were operating.
Is it just me or is Ryan's voiceover voice have more inflection than usual in this video
6:38 if unsolved was an actual TV show. "A suitcase full of mysterious items" "Hi, have you or a loved one been involved in an accident? Sucks to be you I guess." "Oxi Clean! IT GETS THE TOUGH STAINS OUT!" *FINALLY GOES BACK TO SHOW*
Maybe she was burnt and then the fire was put out before it got her back? Or another human combustion?
They burned the front of her, hands not included? Only way to be 100% they r hers if her prints weren’t burnt
i think it was a suicide and she burned herself to make herself unidentifiable because she was a spy and that would blow her cover
My idea: American/Western European spy got caught out in Norway where other, enemy spies are prevalent. The other spies burn her to stop anyone from recognizing her, plant the pills in her to make it look like a suicide, then put her body in “Death Valley” where suicides are common. As to the suitcases, she probably left them so she didn’t need to carry them and get them back when needed or done with whatever her mission was. I can’t really figure out how she was killed, though. I guess just the fire or sleeping pills?
if she committed suicide as a spy, the burning would make sense so that her body could remain unidentifiable. i don’t think it was a suicide tho
I can totally see someone forcing her to take the pills, in order to induce her death, then burning her body in order to destroy her remains.
That woman has a lot of similarity's to Amila Earhart...TIME TRA- *FBI agent subdues me*
I keep hearing Ishval instead of Isdal, I’m not okay
Couldn’t she have swallowed the pills to kill herself, and then burned the front of her body so she couldn’t be identified? Like, she’d swallow the pills & wait until she felt calmer and more out of it, then set herself on fire so her identity is hidden but she doesn’t have to feel all the effects of being burned alive, since she’s already dying?
i was thinking that if she had a fire maybe like an uncontrolled campfire and the petrol was used and poured on the ground or some brush and she struck it maybe using two rocks or something that didn't leave any immediate evidence and the spark maybe explode, explaining why only the front of her was burnt, and you're probably wondering where the pills come in, she may have been committing suicide and lit the fire to go out warm at least or something similar but it backfired on her and it exploded, her not being able to digest the pills if she died in that time. the tags being taken off could very well just be her not wanting any trace of her, she could potentially be illegally in the area or potentially a criminal (potentially a robbery considering her money or she was wealthy with somebody after her wanting to get away from things) this isn't concrete or anything but maybe it gives somebody else ideas?
Maybe she has Multiple Identity Disorder. Her original personality, got a passport and the other personalities got jealous so when they took over, they also got their passports. That explains the passports and different names. Those personalities thought of a way to identify themselves by their looks. That explains the wigs and stuff. Lolol
She was a spy. She swallowed the pills and burned herself to further hide her identity in death.
take a sleeping pill when *WEEZE* happens
if she’s a spy she would have enemies... what if she knew she was going to be killed, took the pills to die on her own terms but before the pills could kill her the murderer comes and sets her on fire, killing her before she could die from the pills
the intelligence officer was paying someone to be her double (the wigs), the double either tried to run away or wanted out of the arrangement. the intelligence officer decided the double was becoming a risk and decided to kill the double to make it look like she was the dead body, but she escaped after killing the double. the burning was to try to destroy evidence of her identity, just like the other identifying objects.
11.18 some german?? She speaks dutch in the video
What was that??
“breadsticks, boots, burning myself alive”
Maybe she was in some sort of trouble (in being a spy) and knew she had no choice but suicide? As in, she takes the sleeping pills, covers herself in the fuel, and readies herself and puts her watch and stuff she wants kept out on the rock, and as the pills start to take effect she ignites herself? That way a lot of the evidence would be burned, making her even harder to identify. And maybe she had colleagues or partners? Leaving out the watch, leaving her suitcases to be found... maybe she WANTED them to be found, and once it hits the media then her colleagues may know something happened and take it as a signal? Idk man I'm just a college student made of garbage
I'm just thinking she could ignite herself as she falls unconscious by laying ready or something, covered in the fuel, and have some source of fire in her hand. Maybe if she holds it close above her, close enough that her arm wont go outward but far enough to keep the fuel from igniting- then theoretically as she slips unconscious her hand would release the source of fire and ignite her, and by then she'd be unconscious anyways.?
took the pills so she would die but burned the front of her as she was dying so she would be unrecognizable
She swallowed the pills to make her go to sleep; then burned herself to destroy any evidence of who she was, a spy.
If she removed the tags, then she must have thought they could have been important in identifying her.
If she committed suicide and didn’t want anyone to know her information her suitcase wouldn’t of been found at the station. She would of burned that too!
You don't just fall asleep when you overdose like they do in the movies. Overdoses on sleeping pills can be extremely painful and slow, maybe she burned herself to quicken her death...?
Breadsticks, boots, *burning myself alive*
In order to defend the suicide outlook, the pills and fire could be common practice amongst spies. In lighting oneself on fire, she could have been aiming to remove finger prints and make it impossible to identify herself. The sleeping pills would guarantee a fast passing due to the sheer amount alone, but the fire would finish off the job. In dying this way she could keep her identity unknown, but could kill herself before being caught and questioned.
listen, she was leaving to another city she was about to take a train, she was caught, knowing she would be caught she only had pills to try to commit suicide and not be killed, since she was taken, the suitcases were left at the station, she had managed to drink the pills, when taken to an isolated area, they decided to burn her, sadly the pills did not take effect and she was still alive while being burned. those who burned her, could have also been friends, or spies and she had asked for her body to be burned to not be identified. meaning she had time to take off her jewelry and leave it on the side.
BBC and NRK are currently working on a podcast about this unsolved case. The premiere is 16th of april and will be called "Death in ice valley". Hopefully this will open a few doors in terms of clues and different point of views in this case, so tune in if your interested.
There is a way to force people to swallow. Don’t ask how I know this. You pinch their nose and hold their mouth shut in order to suffocate them and force them to gasp for air, swallowing. It is a natural reflex. This would account for the bruise on her neck. She is probably a KGB or Stasi.
Tell me why Ryan looks like Asian Tiger Woods
Maybe if she WAS a spy she didnt want to be known in death, so she swallowed the pills to kill herself and then lit herself on fire to hide her identity.
"HALLO" "DANK U WELL"
This is so frustrating! I believe she committed suicide. She probably had someone after her for specific information and used the fire to completely hide her identity after the pills killed her. Which further explains why it was solely just her front burned. I honestly think she had an undercover job and needed a quick way out due to friction within her workforce. Smh I’m CHOKED
8:58 Because he didn't realize till later that iT wAs fRUity gARlic
Very similar to the Somerton man in the case that the tags on their clothes were removed and that their death was uncertain as well they left behind coded messages
what if she was doing a suicide but someone else tried to murder her like another spy and they didnt see her taking them so then they burn her
what if she really was a spy and got in trouble, then realized she had to kill herself so she took the sleeping pills to kill herself, then she set herself on fire to make her body completely unrecognizable, but the fire went out too quickly and thats why only her front is burned.
she must've been running from someone who finally caught her
Just occurred to me - Is it possible she was running away from someone? She could have been running from an abuser, and paranoid they'd find her; hence the codes, wigs, and removal of labels. Also- could she have been planning to commit suicide (the pills), but then murdered? The murderer could have knocked her out and then set her on fire, unaware she already swallowed a ton of sleeping pills...
I think that she was murdered and forced to eat pills. But the murderer then decided to burn her so there was no evidence.but then while they were taking her stuff they could’ve heard someone hiking, like the family and ran off leaving the stuff behind and the petrol.
Military espionage gone wrong.
I think the guy listen to the type. Heard what was on it and whatever it was could have got him killed, so he said he didn't listen to it.
Another great episode
Ok, I'm just going to put it out there.... I'm only five minutes in... if one of the theories isn't aliens and heat rays, I'll be really disappointed...
I need a Banjo McClintock and Ricky Goldsworth crime show where they are both spies working for conflicting organisations.
Maybe she was a spy and someone found out. So in order to hide something they killed her. Or she was fighting with someone and fellow the cliff.honestly,when I watch this videos I turn to Einstein but when it comes to school, my brain is freaking dead
4:47 - 5:03 i stg shane is so adorable
I love how Ryan called the Holy Grail, the Cup of Christ
I think that she wanted to commit suicide, and someone else wanted to kill her so they set her on fire while she was almost dead
Maybe she swallowed the pills as a means to kill herself and set herself on fire so her identity remains a secret.
I believe she uses the fire so her face wouldn't be recognized. Please tell me if you agree.
Spy, she took the pills then thought "what if this doesn't kill me and I wake up in a hospital with a dozen cops around me?" then torched herself. She left her jewelry out so that people who knew her would know she was dead.
My guess is that, for who ever she was working for, didnt need her anymore so they killed her, and burned her, so she could not be identified... It is no secret that u might get killed as a last resort, in order to keep ur work, and ur supervisor hiden
Could she have set herself on fire last minute to try burn away evidence of who she was? Would make sense as to why she wasnt fully burned.
I'm thinking maybe the person who murdered her set her on fire to make sure she wouldn't be recognizable
This episode was so much better than episode 1 and episode 2 of this season. Episode 3 was pretty good as well!
Ryan does all the research right? So Shane just listens?
Maybe she had the sleeping pills to kill herself and then an abusive someone in her life caught her and set her on fire
Evidence thrown away.... just like Gloria ramirez
Y is it always garlic
Garlic! Just like Gloria Ramirez!!!
She was a spy, killed herself, then tried to burn herself to hide her tracks.
What if she knew someone was after her and tried to kill herself? Perhaps she didn't manage to take the pills ahead of the time when they got to her.
...Well if she WAS a spy, it would make sense if she planned her own death. Thinking about it, she could have swallowed the pills, and put her to sleep. And another person could have burnt her after removing her jewelry. The petrol container could have been what was used in her burning. It isn't that suspicious sounding that a spy would plan their own death. And the "killer" could have either lied low, or killed themselves and made sure that a death was never occurred. Perhaps the reason she died was because she had given some information, and was the only other source to have received it, which would be why she planned her own death.
I think suicide because the pills to kill her but she burnt herself so no one knew who she was so she was a spy I think
Maybe she knew that someone is coming for her so she had to kill her self but by then she tried so commit suicide by eating pills but she was to late and the guy didn’t knew that she ate pills and the guy wanted her dead too so he wanted her identity completely gone so he/she took her to that place and then burned her body from front sight and then put watch and other things in the places that they were found then left with out any trace. So maybe she was murdered !
She went to such lengths to avoid being detected or identified, maybe she did commit suicide but decided to self immolate to avoid detection to avoid espionage blowback on her family or fellow agents. Maybe she knew she had been found out and was determined to disappear to avoid compromising the mission? Otherwise why leave her stuff at a train station? Why not go to a hotel and then to the site if she didn't expect to die?
Hey guys, great video! I really love Buzzfeed unsolved true crime and the cinematography is so good! I would love to see a 'How we make Buzzfeed unsolved videos" behind the scenes type of video. So explaining how you do all the scenes that play with your voiceover, do you hire actors or?
I think she ate all the pills as so to commit suicide and then burned herself so that it would be mostly impossible for someone to identify her later. I mean it's reasonable to want to die from sleeping pills and not from burning. And also maybe the sleeping pills could numb the pain from attempting to burn her face and hands off? So when after a while the pills start to kick in and actually kill her, she would have had some time to make herself unidentifiable? They said it was very hard to identify her - maybe that was her intention? But of course this is an elaborate and weird explanation as any. :p
The Somerton Man also had all of the labels removed from his clothing and never discovered his identity. Possible connection here?
Frustrating that we probably will never know her true identity but this was still such a fascinating case to go over. Great job Ryan and Shane!
OBVIOUS she was a spy who snitched on some info when she heard her boss was going to kill her she swallowed sleeping pills but the boss found her before she passed out. at gun point he threw petrol on her and threatened to burn her if she didn't tell him what Info she released when she refused he burned her anyway
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I havent seen anyone else suggest this but (hear me out) Since everything was removed by her or someone else I think the jewelery ...well if it was left by her then its a message to whoever she was working for to know that she passed away or if someone else did it then they also removed it as a mission complete message I think whoever murdered her (if she was) also knew her and them knowing her means that they could be identified too and because they possibly know her theyve made sure certain things were found and certain things were not what im basically saying is that there are certain things in this case that would suggest that there was some sort of communication I cant really word it but i mean communication not in words but through the evidence found I mean think about it ! everything else that leads to her identity is gone exept the jewelery she or someone else wants it known- not to us but to whoever she or the person that murdered her was working for does that make sense? If she was murdered that jewelery would be gone too and if its suicide i doubt it would be placed like this I really dont think it was a clue or a message to us but to eachother especially spies i would assume they would have some sort of codes to eachother on how to communicate or make something known like the person who murdered her could also be a spy it could also be another spy that she knew it would explain how they wanted her not to be known incase it would mean that they would be known too the way the jewelery was placed was almost ritualistic like it was placed there With a message as a suicidal person or murderer why else would you just leave jewelery placed like this but everything else removed if anyone that reads this thinks what I said was either a good suggestion or bad , please let me know im wanting an opinion ?
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She might've taken the pills to decrease the pain of being on fire the bruise might be from being attacked by someone who wanted information about her job and the burning to not identify herself
Imo she set herself on fire to cover up all evidence that she exists
What about her being a drug dealer or something to do with organised crime? It would work with the multiple passports and wigs etc...
She's a spy
So at the end, Ryan said that the cop guy sai the case would remain open until the identity of the woman was found out but they determined it was a suicide. What if exactly because they found out the identity of the woman is the reason they went and decided to rule it a suicide? And is no one else going to ask why the smell of garlic is important? Why did she smell like garlic?
I say suicide. The Isdal woman swallowed pills, layed down on Death Valley and relaxed until some crazy guy(s) wondering (or someone followrd her) there saw her with a gas and thought it would be fun to burn her, but then the Isdal woman was still awake (the pills haven't kicked in and she was just sleeping or dorwsy whatever) and she woke up with a fire on her front body. Idk just thinking simple with my *detective brain*
Why tf do all these women all end up smelling like "garlic"/"fruity garlic"
She was trying to mutilate her own face. That's why she set herself on fire.. Obviously she left no clues about who she was... The biggest clue is the identity of the body.
I don't know. If it was in this day and age she sounds like she would have been an abused woman trying to escape an ex lover who threaten to kill her, but this is back in the day so I don't know how easy it would be to get away from an ex-lover let along get multiple identies
My theory is she is not a spy but a mafia wife or girlfriend. That's why she have multiple password, multiple name, and the money to change hotel every few days because her man can provide it for her. The death itself in my theory can be happen because her man want to get rid of her because he didn't want her anymore so he brought her to a place where no one can see them and either: 1. Force her to take the pill and then set her on fire 2. Told her they will commited suicide together and she did take all 50-70 pills yet the man only take a few because while taking 50-70 pills it hard to check if your man do the same thing. He than told other mafia that hiding nearby to burn her while saving him to other place because he started to become unconcious too Well, i watch to much action movies
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She could have known someone was planning to kill her by burning her, so she took the pills in an attempt to give herself a less agonizing death ?
This sounds like an episode of supernatural
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What if she took the pills because someone was going to burn her. Lets say she was kidnapped or something and thats why she left her bags at the station. She is taken into the middle of nowhere and is going to be burned alive. She runs and takes the pills but before they can kill her she found and burned. I don't know where she would've gotten the pills from though...
What probably happened was that she had been a spy who set up a meeting in a discrete location to avoid unwanted attention after being under suspicions that she had been compromised which explains the left luggage. But then had been double crossed by 2 other spy's one holding a gun and another force feeding her pills explaining the bruise . they then asked her to remove jewelry to inspect it for any traceable qualities. However the pills took to long to work so they threw gasoline on her explaining the hand position which shows her trying to push someone away then the 2 other spy's lit her on fire and dumped the gasoline to avoid witnesses who could see them carrying it or to give them time to escape as the body would have been harder for locals to identity and locals would have more time to forget they seen her before a public enquiry. The reason I think she wrote the coded message is to remember where she would of seen the person who had compromised her which would also explain the room and hotel changes as the agent following her would have also changed rooms which she would have used as a test. But that's just my theory.
Maybe she knew she had an enemy coming for her and tried suicide with the pills but they got to her and murdered her with fire before the pills set in? This-this is a confusing one...
Maybe she had too much debt that she was murdered for trying to escape it
maybe she set herself on fire after taking the pills so that her face couldn't be identified, she might of been working with other spies that were still undercover and didn't want to implicate them with her face being all over the news
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The important thing to notice is that the gasoline was a long way away, she couldn't have possibly poured it on herself and not torched her back. Besides, the police didn't even hunt for the source that lit the gasoline. So it's diefinitely not a suicide, I think she was somehow forced to consume that many pills, every sane person knows a dozen is good enough to kill, it has to be forced, besides, it wouldn't make sense, if she was a spy, she would know the exact amount required to kill. It's noteworthy, it might be that another agent was having dinner with her and spiked her food with a lot of pills to ensure she consumed them.. I mean it's possible. Then he lit her body on fire to make sure that she died, just in case she didn't consume enough pills. The accident doesn't make sense either, how we're all her belongings sophistically placed away from her body if she fell off a cliff! Someone else HAS to have played a role in this.
I think it was a suicide, and the fire was to destroy her face so she couldn't be identifyed.
Look for this case as reported by _Dark Matters_ on YouTube. This video might as well have a laugh track in the background!
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I feel like setting only her front self on fire could have been a preventative measure to keep her from being identified. It would make sense if she was spy.
What if she was a spy, was murdered by someone with the pills, then hi colleague was like well shot we need to get rid of her, set her on fire and pushed her over the edge and left, but the fire was put out by the rocks before it could reach her back
The fire could've been possibly caused by the hairspray, due to the fact it can be EXPLOSIVE. Lemme paint a picture. The IW was a spy planning to commit suicide to prevent the European Government from trailing her. She takes 50 or so sleeping pills, but it was ineffective. She then makes a fire to keep warm from the cold temperatures. She uses the hairspray to get the fire going but her hands slip and drop it into the fire which makes it explode due to the high heat and caused her to fall back. As she was falling a piece of the canister shot to her neck at break neck speed and caused a serious amount of damage to her neck. She was now burnt from the fiery explosion from the canister, a piece of the hairspray bruised her neck, and had sleeping pills in her stomach. DONE DEAL. CASE SOLVED. SHE WAS A RUSSIAN SPY.
they set her/she set herself on fire so that she could not be identified, i mean they/she just burned her face and front side
I think the fire was to destroy her appearance and foil identification. I have a theory. So, she's either a spy or on the run for some personal reason. Spy; double cross, double agent, compromised agent, loose end, witness. Personal; fleeing from abusive/homicidal partner, underworld operator (explain passports), crossed the mob/criminal empire, committed major crime against the wrong people. She was on the run, jumping from place to place, identity to identity, face to face, trying to evade pursuers. She was captured at/near train station, hit in the neck to cause her to lose consciousness, force-fed/threatened to consume pills, transported to location, while unconscious on her back, her killers pour gasoline and set her on fire to destroy her appearance, making it difficult to identify her/create police sketch. I lean towards spy, simply due to her lack of fingerprints on interpol records and the rigorous removal of any and all identifying markers like tags and labels, the coded note and the lengths gone to in order to hide her body. But I definitely think the fire was to obstruct identification or facial recognition. I'm super surprised that wasn't mentioned by anyone.
Maybe she was caught and swallowed the pills before she was murdered?
it makes me so sad that this person's parents dont know that tgeir daughter died, this person most likely had family and friends somewhere,, and maybe they read the newspaper or recognized their friend or relative and didnt speak up
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Maybe she was a vampire??
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i feel like she got caught up in spy stuff, wanted out, tried to commit suicide, and then someone (an enemy) caught up to her and murdered her.
No labels on anything? I’m thinking she’s a spy.
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Here’s an idea for the suicide theory. She took labels off of everything and took her name off everything so she clearly didn’t want to be traced. What if she took the pills to fall asleep and overdose but she did set herself on fire to maybe get rid of her identity such as finger prints and other things but it just back fired as she didn’t fully burn. But the sleeping pills could have been in hopes she wouldn’t feel the fire burning her? She was also in a location that people shouldn’t have really been going so maybe she thought that would be a good place to do it. Perhaps someone was on to her or something and felt that was her only way out. As for jewelry being set aside I’m not sure.
maybe she was sleeping from the amount that she had absorbed of the pills and they thought she was dead so they wanted to burn the corpse
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To rule off accident, wouldn't there be burn marks on the scene? Where a bonfire was lit or burning?
I think that it was a suicide.If she went as far to remove ALL labels off of her belongings and also use fake names and such, then she wouldn’t want her features to be identified.i think that’s why she set herself on fire to one, finish the job, and two, not be identified
This is what happened (from what I think so far) Remember that bruise on her neck? Someone hit her on the neck probably with something like a baseball-bat and then took off all her jewelers for some random reason and set her on fire and if he/she did take off the stuff wouldn’t there be any finger prints on it?
I've never commented on any of these because I know that Ryan and Shane neither read nor respond to them, but I believe that it absolutely could be a suicide. If she was intent on removing any trace of her identity after committing suicide, as she tried to do in life, she might have thought that the fire would do that. She could have taken the pills to make herself more "comfortable" before setting herself on fire. Maybe she thought that she would completely burn, not knowing how hot a fire would need to be to turn a body into ash, and it didn't work. The only reason that I could think of that one would set themselves on fire is to remove the possibility of identification.
The one thing that freaks me out is that every label was cut or rubbed off. Like even pointless ones. Like can you imagine the police going “huh! This chick uses cover girl! I bet it’s so and so”
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The Isdal Woman was a Kingsman or a Satesman, idk which but ya girl was one of ‘em
THIS IS GLORIA RAMIREZ! She smelled of garlic, but it took years to recognize because of the fruity smell, she had sleeping pills that could have been used by Gloria so she could sleep do to her pain, and she could have collapsed due to her cancer amoung other things. Gloria was a time traveling spy, and the labels were removed because while they looked live things from that time, they were actually replicas. The items found beside her were what she used to time travel. She didn't want them to be burned so that in the future maybe we could figure this out and use them to travel.
the woman was a spie. the company she worked for wanted her dead. they forced her to eat the pills. then they burnt her to make sure now one reconized her! thats what i think
Her cover was blown and she knew she was going to be killed, and she didn't have time to get out of the country (like they were already in the parking lot of her hotel or something) so she chugs the pills to save herself a horrible death (she knows these people and she knows what happens to their enemies). Unfortunately, the pills don't dissolve fast enough, so when the killers get there she's still alive if not a little loopy. They take her from the hotel and burn her in the woods then wait for news about the body to get out, as a "warning" (i.e this is what we do to spies, stay away.)
if it was murder, someone could have hit with the umbrella on the neck causing the umbrella to break and the bruise.
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Possibly
If it were murder. She could've been forced to swallow all the pills. Then set on fire. Incase she were to find water or managed to out the fire. The pills were there to finish her off
i love how the comments r ALL theories and not out of subject or not about the video, its so rare now
It's always painful listening to people (mainly English speakers) trying to pronounce Norwegian words
"In 2005, a Bergen resident who had been 26 in 1970 told a local newspaper that after seeing the sketch circulated, he had suspected the dead woman was the woman he had seen five days before the body was found, when he was hiking on the hillside at Fløyen. She was dressed lightly, for the city rather than a hike, and was with two men wearing coats who looked "southern". She seemed about to say something but they stopped her. He went to someone he knew at the police to report this, but was told to forget about it." I think someone was after her and she decided to kill herself but with help. She and the two men were checking out possible places where they could toss her body
Maybe she wanted to commit suicide but got someone to help and burn her body so as she don't get identified.
if it was suicide then she might have taken the pills as her way of killing herself and then decided after taking them to light herself on fire to cover up who she was so no one would know and because she did a very thorough job of making sure no one knew who she was even when she was dying she thought i dont want people to know who i am so i am going to burn myself beyond recognition so i am safe from maybe harm or just people knowing who she was
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What if, the woman was a spy and wanted to commit suicide, doesn't it make sense to not only swallow the high amount of sleeping pills to make sure you die, and after that burn herself to make it unable for people and police that find her body to identify her? Because they had no resources of examining DNA in the 70s, maybe that was the though behind the suicide. That no one could identify her. If I was a spy and had multiple identities, I also would want to make sure that if I die or want out, no one can identify me. As for the fingerprints they found on her glasses in the suitcases. Maybe that was just coincidence for the police to find. Maybe the woman, or spy, made the mistake of not cleaning one of her glasses well enough. I don't know this was for me a theory that got stuck in my head while watching this. Maybe it's far fetched but give some thought to it..
She probably got caught, tied up, the capturers probably got rid of things that might help identify her , she then got forced to ingest 70 sleeping pills after a few seconds which the capturer untied her,doused her in petrol, and burned her... Idk why... I just feel like this happened (pretty flawed theory...)
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Maybe her identity had been found out, so to prevent from being captured, she swallowed the pills and burned herself so that anyone who found her wouldn't know her identity
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what if she was trying to get away from someone like a crazy boyfriend or husband? it would explain the wigs...
they probably used the fire to make her hard to identify
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She was a spy, she was probably burned to keep her identity a secret...
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She would have set herself on fire to hide her face and make her unidentifiable, as she really tries to be. And the pills with it were maybe to nock her out mid burn to stop too much pain.
Maybe she was trying to commit suicide because she screwed up and then someone came to end the job
My teacher told me this story in elementary school.. always thought it was fake.. im mindblown af
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I have 2 main questions: 1) Did police followed some path on the pills? If was a suicide (and I think it was not) she would went to a pharmacy to buy 70 sleeping pills. I believe someone would have noticed that 2) Couldn't she be involved in organized crime? I know it's sexier to think she was a spy but any mobster dealing guns, drugs or anything like that could have the same behavior that she had.
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just making a suggestion, they found wigs in the luggage case, right? now, can you find DNA from those wigs, like if a hair particle went stray in the wig? could they have used it to identify her? i don’t really know how it works that was just something i was thinking of.
You guys ever think some pieces of evidence are just fake setups in order to confuse people after the victim is dead?
I know I’m very late on this and I’m not sure if anyone questioned it, but maybe she was running away from something or someone? Maybe she wanted to burn, her face in general, so she couldn’t be identified, which is why she didn’t care about burning her back, and took pills in attempt to die peacefully without suffering in the fire?
Maybe she set herself on fire to try to hide her body but failed
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She sounds like a prostitute.
I think the woman did somehow commit suicide, but 50-70 pills is hard to down by yourself, so maybe someone forced the pills down, meaning there is a reason for why she has that bruise mark on her neck
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It’s kinda sad that no one ever identified her.
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I think she was a spy. took the pills as a suicide because she was close to being caught but her pursuer caught up to her, and due to the pills starting to go through her system was unable to fight them off (or give out any valuable information), and burned her alive. this would explain the remote location (she figured shed be gone before her pursuer caught up to her).
Just because she had the passports and wigs doesn't mean she was a spy. I think that given the time period and that evidence that's what people naturally jump to, and it is convincing as well as fitting. But I think she was simply on the run from someone. Maybe a husband or boyfriend or just someone who scared her in general. Maybe she moved from place to place to get away from this person, disguised herself so that if this person described her or showed pictures they would be useless. She was also so scared she'd change hotel rooms within the hotel, maybe to confuse the staff in case someone managed to catch up with her. Maybe this person finally caught up with her and angry, grabbed her and took her to Death Valley, what better place to commit a murder, grabbed her by the neck and made her swallow the pills to kill her. Just as she was about to die, this person, who is still angry that she went to such lengths to run away, decides to "help" her one final time in disguising herself and burns her major identifying features. It is a bit of a leap I admit, but I just don't believe in the spy theory too much. It IS convincing but I think with the fear and uncertainty of the times and our current fascination with that period, it just seems to easy, for lack of a better word, to say she was a spy. Sometimes it's not the grand idea we imagine it to be. Sometimes it's grittier and simpler. At least that's my idea.
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I like how Ryan says "Aas" (Ås), like, it is almost exactly, if not precisely like how the Scandinavian Å is pronounced. And BTW, i am Swedish.
Oh! This case so far sounds like Taman Shud, The Somerton Man! Possible spy, murder or suicide. Missing labels, weird suitcase found at a train station. Secret code. Ooooooh
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Anyone who has overdosed on sleeping pills knows that it's actually a very scary way to die
I mean, what if someone was coming for her so she panicked and took the pills but they didn't take effect soon enough??? lmao who knows
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I feel like it’s either torture, murder, or suicide tbh but I’m not the one to tell :)
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What if it was a murder and a suicide?
Interesting video...I really don't think you should be laughing though..suicide/murder isn't a joke and shouldn't be treated in a light-hearted way...
I know Death Valley! I grew up near there. A lot of people go hiking there. Not just young adults, families too. Thrill seekers, you know?
My question is, why leave the petroleum near the scene??!!
Ok so what if; She took the pills herself, to go to see this person then this person takes off her jewellery and pretends they’re gonna have sex or something, then idk they pour the petrol over her move away and set her on fire (maybe using the hairspray and a cig lighter) and then runs away but leaving the petrol thingy there
Murder- They force her to swallow the pills while threatening her and striking her neck when it wasn't working quick enough, or the pills being forced in. After, to dispose of the body, the pour the petrol on her and leave once she's on fire, but the flames later burn out and leave the body. There's a theory for y o u -
if she was the person who removed all the labels on her items to ensure she couldn't be tracked, it's possible she set herself on fire in an attempt to not be identified
Something that strikes me as off is that, even with her multiple identities, not one person reported her missing or her description at least didn’t fit a missing person’s report. Usually in cases like this, they can identify the person by comparing them to missing person’s reports. That makes me think she was a spy because she had no one who would notice her missing.
I think she was a spy and knew someone was coming after her. So she tried to rush her Suicide before being burned by whoever was after her.
She may, indeed, committed suicide. If she was a spy, burning her face is a way to keep her identity a secret, after she took those pills. Soo... In my view, it was a suicide. She was just really good at her job, I assume..
sounds like she’s a vampire bc of the umbrella and garlic but i mean there’s petrol so idk
maybe the bruise is the bite or something idk
maybe she was running away from someone and eventually they caught up or she decided to end it all... WAIT maybe if she was a spy she was trying to kill herself but someone was following her and she realized that the pills were going to take too long to work, so she set herself on fire. think about it. fire is the most effective...? way to get rid of your facial features and any marks on your body because she was charred beyond recognition. this way, no one could recognize her as a spy and use that information.
«Isdalen» literally translates from norwegian to «the Ice Valley»
If she's from Belgium she would know how to speak English
just saying, but couldn't she have been an escort? Like, just travelling around, being a hoe, didn't want to be identified bc it's illegal being an escort in Norway?
she could have set herself on fire in order to keep her identity safe. Maybe she wanted to make sure she could not be identified, or the person killing her could have done that because maybe her identity would help lead officials back to the killer.
Isdal translates to "Ice valley"
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She puts gas all over her, takes the pills so she can fall asleep and not feel herself burning and as she’s about to fall asleep she sets herself alight hoping she gets rid of her body because she’s a spy
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she was forced to have 50-70 tic tacs
what if she was afraid of being found, like she wasn't a spy but was afraid for her life and it was kinda like witness protection
Ryan, sweetie, I love you man, I really do, but that is not how you identify someone based on their clothes. What they would do is look at the clothes tags and see the sizes and stuff and write that down but if they check they labels they can check missing persons to see if anyone or any loved ones had the financial stability to have those clothes and match up sizes and stuff as well. But I mean I guess you can do it that way too...
Tbh mudering someone in 2 ways is the best way to get away with murder cuz it’s confusing asf
My great uncle was a spy during the war because he spoke five languages fluently. He used to remove the labels on things because if he was wearing a shirt or using shaving cream that was bought at a store in one city, it would tie him to that city. He did it even when he was older, he would peel the labels from things or scrub them with his fingernail. He said it was a habit, and only told us when he was very old why he did it.
maybe she was running from a crazy husband or something like that. that would kind of explain all the passports, the wigs, and the hotel switching. then, she realized she might have gotten caught and she takes a shitload of pills and then he finds her and gets like a flamethrower or something and burns her. idk tho
Would it be possible that maybe she took the pills to numb herself enough to set herself on fire? Idk how that works work scientifically though...
If the spies are still alive why didn't they use a lie detector test on them?
i think it was suicide. Because she took the pils she new hey were gonna kick in soon and lit herself on fire but if she put her self to sleep she wouldn't feel it.
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I’m no expert but I have a theory that she it was suicide she ate the sleep pills after making herself a bonfire with the petrole and as she fell asleep she fell into the fire which burned her and woke her up and in panic fell off the cliff
If keeping with the theory that she was a spy; you check the location, and you check who would have had an invested interest in said location. the hotel jumping is indicative of a chase. Her in the process of evasion, or she was hunting someone. Not just anyone, someone who was well off and possibly rich. From there you can determine that her mission was either a success or failure. Either way she would have had to report to a superior. That might have been a place where she could report in private. hence, location; death valley. After that report was complete, she is told her services are no longer needed, and given a bottle of pills to swallow. The bruise on her neck could have been a strike to incapacitate her before she took the pills, or after to see is she was still alive. Then the perpetrator dowsed her in petrol and set fire to her. it may have been enough to have her body involuntarily react to the flame. Was her mission a success? what happened to whatever rich womanizing bastard earlier that year, and you may find the track again.
theory 2, spy versus spy. as a woman spy she may have been a honey pot and on the move to find her target. another spy intervened and attacked her, striking her neck to face her to an unidentified incendiary that damaged her. mission failed. and she will never be a honey pot. time to die. she had the bottle of pills with her and took them all to kill herself. as she lay on the floor with her hands bracing herself away from the floor because it hurt. she died in said pose. later on at an undisclosed time another person perhaps her handler came by to identify the body, turning her over.
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Well, surprise, surprise, all white people in the US hail from Europe. The DNA conclusion is thus perfectly valid.
Maybe she was a spy that was being hunted down for information and she knew they were going to try to torture her for information. So she took the sleeping pills so they would see she was dead as a message to her people but then when they saw her dying on the ground, they decided to set her on fire so she couldn't be saved or recognized
Its definitely suicide!! She probably took the pills to knock herself out and not feel the pain from the fire. Someone could have helped her with her suicide, taking her jewelry off and ridding all the fingerprints and setting the gasoline near the site. The fire had a clear purpose of burning her face so no one can tell who she was. It was suicide as well as removing an identity that would be ashamed of suicide or just didnt want anyone to know of her existence. Spies could have gotten angry with her that she was weak enough to kill herself, and her ideas she had about removing tags and labels is a definite spy move as the regular person would not have thought of this. Cops could trace back purchases as to who bought those items. BOOM CRACKED IT
Or maybe she set herself on fire because she was in a hurry to die before she got caught.... :O
Wasn’t there another woman who smelt like garlic....the one who went to the hospital and got the whole hospital quarantined?
She set herself on fire so she might not be recognisable...?
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Its simple it happens alot.alot of spy's when wanting to end there life's by suiside to protect others linked to them ask other people to distroy there body's.so she takes the pills.with what she took 50 pills theres enough to cause hart attack or even just to knock her out.her body handler picks up the body takes it somewhere remote and burns it.the hands coming up could be a sign that the person didnt realise she was unconscious .so the pain of her burning might have brought her out of her unconscious state
What about testing her DNA to see who she was. Did anyone take skin samples. Also her finger prints should be a clue. If she grew up somewhere look through those files to find out. If she still had blood do a blood sample.
My grandma is allergic to garlic O_O
Obviously, she took the pills so as not to feel pain while burning. She might have been running from something or somebody and, in order to protect her identity and some sort of information she had, she had to burn herself.
what if another spy or something had tracked her down and she was running from them and backed herself into that corner and she swallowed all those pills hoping she'd die and wouldn't have t tell that person any information but their true intent was o kill her.
Okay so what if she was a spy and got really involved in some deep stuff that she didn't want to be apart of and went against her agency and ended up having to go on the run because you cant just retire after hearing some crazy top secrect stuff like that (she could tell people.) So the agency had to track her down and kill her (they have other highly trained spys) She knew they were going to find her and choose to kill herself and right after she took all the pills they busted in grabbed her by the neck or hit her in the neck as a pressure point or something and at this point she would be a little disorientated because the pills started to get in her system but weren't fully in her system so she couldn't really fight back. The spys brought her out to this area to throw everyone off the case when the body is found. They poured gasoline on her and the girl probably knew "this is it there's nothing I can do there's no more running" and just let it happen. The other spys could have left a few fake clues just to throw it all off as well. ~Just a thought to try to tie all the evidence together
I was waiting for the theory of her being a vampire
It’s so funny as a Norwegian person to listen to Americans trying to pronounce Norwegian names
Maybe she was a spy and her cover was compromised or something, she took pills to ensure she died but set herself on fire to make herself unrecognizable
My theory is she was a spy and she did commit suicide. She took the sleeping pills in hopes that she would be knocked out by the time she set herself on fire so she wouldn't have to feel the pain and being burned alive also she set herself on fire so they couldn't identify her body when it was found because she was a spy!!!
If she had so many passports the passports must have had her photo with wigs because when she checked in hotel they must have checked the passport.
Might be wrong but think a blow torch was used to burn her face. As she was still alive and might have protested- her neck was hit by something or secured. Pills were offered to reduce inevitable suffering and to paralyze her. She accepted the pills-last mercy from her captors. Two men were seen with her before death-see wiki. It make up and fashion were from Russia-no one would be able to identify it due to iron curtain.
she was french and a spy
btw she was a french spy
she was a spy and she killed herself with the pills and burned her front to hide her identity obviously duh
you idiot the labels removed because in those days and times people always had their names on the labels smh hahahahaa wow
guys . .. . . burnt flesh smells the exact same as burnt hair . . . dont believe me??? take a piece of skin off your feet callus and burn it . youll see
what if she knew someone was after her so she took the pills but before they kicked in, whoever it was found her and set her on fire
Only subscribed to buzzfeed for this
forced to swallow pills explains bruising, they burned her to get rid of evidence spy vs spy imo
Norway :\
Perhaps she was attempting to kill herself in death vally, lightning struck her causing her to burn whilst falling off the mountain ,
Yes norway❤️ im from norway
Honestly she could’ve been apart of whiteness protection programs. Saw someone powerful killed someone and she can’t go to the police because they could be involved and just getting chased throughout the world or she could have been delusional
She was probably caught while trying to accomplish a mission(hence the bruise from fighting) and she got caught, she feared she was gonna get killed so she ran away to Death Valley, in there she figured they had tracked her so she swallowed the 50-70 pills because she figured she was trapped thus committing suicide before the other people got to her, but before the pills could take effect they got a hold of her and burned her. Just a theory.
Maybe she had stalker that explains the moving around and different identities and moved rooms and the disguises. This is just a theory and maybe she was a spy
*breadsticks, boots, burning myself alive*
What about witnesses protection???? She could be a former spy in witnesses protection.
Can you do Bodom murders.
popped myself some popcorn and im ready to watch some buzzed unsolved
It was a suicide. She swallowed the pills, then burnt herself to hide her identity after death!
If it was suicide, she could have taken all the pills to numb herself and then set herself on fire, as a way to hide her identity even more.
i think she was a spy and someone was trying to kill her. i think they somehow tricked/forced her to take the pills, but when that wasn't working fast enough, they strangled her, and then they set her on fire to get rid of the evidence but rain or something put it out before it burned her all the way up
Garlic? Like a garlicky sheen.... or garlicky Shane
And I crazy or did I really just hear Ryan say petrol as pet-rol lmao
What if she took the pills to make sure she would kill herself and then set herself on fire to stop anyone from recognising her? This could mean she was a spy or it was a suicide...
Maybe it was...a double feature. She went to kill herself before someone else could, but she was pushed off the cliff before she died, and then was set on fire. I cracked the case
im only 9 minutes into the video but shes a vampire. case closed.
My theory is suicide... I think she was a spy, her cover was blown and she opted for suicide for whatever hidden reason. She swallowed the pills to soothe the pain and then burned herself so she would be unrecognizable. Explaining why her face was "deleted" so no one can recognize her. Like they said, spies live a life in which they make people believe they don't exist. The way her arms were, and how her jewelry was set aside, and where the death took place, screams suicide to me. That's my personal theory, pero quien sabe
Who knows, maybe she can be linked to all those Rusian spies that have been poisoned in Europe this past month.
The Isdal woman..... a cold case...... sorry it's just funny to me because well it takes place in NORWAY and Is means ice in norwegian... a cold case for sure (I'll see my way out thank you very much)
I remove all the labels on my clothes
if it was a suicide of a spy, didn't want her identity to be found out, burned face that was UNRECONIZABLE she is probably a spy who was done with her life?/job but want to stay hidden after death, it makes sense doesn't it
Haha it's so funny that the "hunters" in the reenactment don't carry weapons... Do they stone their quarry to death :D
This might be a leap, but isn't it plausible that someone helped her commit suicide? So maybe she swallowed the pills and asked someone - maybe working with her - to burn her body to hide her identity. But the person didn't realise she was still alive(perhaps she'd fallen unconscious) and so she was still breathing things in when she was on fire. It's plausible, if she was working as a spy with spies. Also, I like the way they had her as a party girl in bunny ears...some real spy stuff there
What if she burned herself so people didn’t know who she was?
Reminds me of Tamam Shud case
I got it! Maybe her cover was blown, and she tried to take the sleeping pills before she was captured. However, that didn't work and whoever was after her caught her and set her on fire after she already took the pills!
Maybe someone was pointing a gun at her and forced her to swallow the pills and then burned her after she passed out because they knew that the organization she may have worked for would be able to track down who it was and trace the killer
The somerton man and the isdal woman
What if she knew someone was on her tail and so she needed a quick and painless way to die, hence the pills however whoever she was running from found her and set her on fire.
There was a video i think by this channel where an old man came to stay in a hotel and acted strange, untill he was found dead on a beach i think, with all the labels of his clothes removed, maybe these are connected?
The case is called the somerton man
Perhaps she knew she was going to be murdered and so she took the pills so that she would she would be sedated and suffer minimally. Also I noticed that her face could not be recognized it could’ve been part of the plan so that her identity could not be found.
well if she was a spy and went thru all of the trouble of hiding her identity it makes sense for her to burn herself. like she took the pills to kill herself and thought hey they could spread photos of me all over the place i should make sure that doesnt happen so she burned herself to make sure no one could easily identify her. maybe her plan was to be mostly asleep when lighting the fire so it wouldnt be as awful for her and she panicked and did it earlier.
Kinda think vampires are involved.
Okay, so what about this(this goes with the spy thing): Someone, an enemy, finds out she's a spy. Knowing she's either going to be captured, tortured, and questioned, or straight up killed, she flees to Death Valley to kill herself. Her attacker(s), who were already after her, catch up, and knowing she's going to die anyway, decide to make it painful by drenching her and lighting her up. This would explain the pills AND the fire, along with going with the spy theme.
Ryan spent all that time on research and didn't find out that her fingertips (and therefore prints) were shaved off??
No mention of the man who claimed to have seen her alive and clearly upset in Death Valley in the company of two large men?
maybe she knew she was going to get killed so she took many pills to be asleep to not feel the pain.
Plot twist, the Isdal woman was really a mannequin
Maybe she was a drag queen
The fruity-garlic smell is back
Am I the only one that removes the labels from my clothes otherwise my skin gets so itchy from it
"hm i'm getting hungry, f o r m y s t e r y "
When it comes to then clothing -they would’ve been able to take the skew from the pants and trace it back to the person who purchased them .
18:17 the letter is Danish i know im Danish som of it is bad english but still Danish
Look, this is what i think happend She was an illegal spy that got found out and was running away from the person who found her out... they said that the moutain/valley was off trail amd difficult...if i were a spy i would want to loose the person chasing me. So i would go to a place hard to follow. As for the pills once again a spy makes sense because if she was an illegal spy she would most likely not have a quick suicide pill like cyanide. I think this was a chase... the lady was found out and took the pills to die without telling anything she found out. This is where my theory gets a little hazy though... i think that the person caught up to her and lit her on fire. As a last result... the person may of well pushed her off the cliff to try and hide the body...but this doesn't explain why the jewerly was place next to her. Also... they said that there were spies in norway, where did she have money from NORWAY!! The jewlery placement just doesn't... make... sense.
Maybe she swallowed those pills so, you know, she wouldn't be concious enough to extinguish herself from the fire? Because maybe she needed to kill herself, by fire, but you know fire burns and logically you would regret and then extinguish yourself immediately, so to prevent herself from extinguishing, or regreting, she took all of those pills so she thinks she wouldn't be concious enough to do so. And then, may not knowing that pill effects are not immediate, she took those many pills thinking that by adding the dose, the effects may be much more immediate, where as it wasn't the case.
I think the fire thing would’ve made sense if she was a spy, because she would take the pills to kill herself peacefully but the fire would disfigure her, erasing her identity. Seeing as one of the only things they could do to figure her out was to see what WATER she drank, i think she was trying to do a very thorough job.
murder theory: could be that she was asleep and someone followed her to murder her that’s why she was laying down and didn’t get burned on one side and idk about you but when i sleep I take off my jewelry’s
JUST REMEMBERED THE SLEEPING PILLS but then they weren’t absorbed but maybe they were like oh she’s not dead fast enough
When someone says Buzzfeed, all I could think of is the **Wheeze**
I don't get it though, they did a sketch of how she may have looked, and they must have shown it around the world, so how come no one could identify her, not even her family (parents,siblings..etc)
personality disorder??
What if she tried to kill her self so she took the pills then someone from her agency of spies tried to burn the her face so she wouldn’t be identified.
She obviously got blow torched in the face
I haven’t been watching for so long and now I’m back
she was a russian spy
Hey, so if we assume that she was a pretty important spy and that it was a suicide, there could have been factors that would have made it difficult for her to cover herself up the "correct" way according to her superiors, such as time. Maybe she knew someone was onto/after her and did not have time to make herself and all remnants of her disappear completely. Maybe she did not have time to destroy her possessions but only tear off the labels of clothes, makeup products, etc. and try to disappear as best she could in Death Valley, on a dangerous, unmarked trail where, she thought, no one was likely to find her for a long time. The superfluous amount of sleeping pills she took was to ensure that she would die soon and the fire was to destroy as much evidence of her existence, who she was, and what her mission was as possible. The way her personal items that were worn on her person were laid out beside her could have signaled a code to her superiors such as "I failed/completed the target." I don't know, just my thoughts.
they never really investigated the odd fact that she was in a boxing stance. i really think it was a murder. she couldve been hopelessly shielding herself from the person burning her or watever
jo vi no it's not u see when the body of gets intensely heated up the muscles contract and cuz this boxing stances to happen and then they stiffen rly hard that's why it's common among burned victims and also it can happend even if u were recently killed and your body was set on fire so u don even have to be alive when your body stats burming for it to happen.
she could be a prostitute? a really through one. i mean she’s got all of these different identities and wardrobes. doesn’t explain the death at all but maybe it’s not related? it would explain how she stays at the hotels (though it doesn’t say anything about her staying with others). international prostitute! lmao
Wait...what if she was a human trafficking victim? And she set up her own death, down to the "celebrity" boots? Or she was on the run from someone or something?
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I feel as if she committed suicide, although I don't know the reason why. They say she took 50-70 pills but was set on fire before the pills could kick in to her system. She probably committed suicide taking the amount of pills to die an easy way and (referring back to her being a spy) before the pills could truly take over so she wouldn't almost feel anything and she set herself on fire to hide the identity of herself following spy codes. In the new buzzfeed episode of a Russian spy failing his mission. He explains the people in power giving him tons of money to take care of himself, relating to the woman not having any trace back to a job. And the man also explained that he had multiple passports to hide his identity Also another in common with the Isdal woman. They say she was somewhere from possibly Europe or Asia, relating to the area of the Russian spy man. All these facts point to the direction of her being a spy and committing suicide in the way of hiding her identity.
anyone else think she may of been a drug smuggler? i don't know about the fire, but the passports, the wigs, the money, maybe she swallowed them as a way to get drugs into the country?
If she were in fact a spy and was compromised, possibly by our government, it doesn’t seem to far fetched that they would make it look like a suicide, and follow it by burning the front of her so there would be little chance of identifying her. With basically no leads on her clothes besides the boots and no labels on her belongings, either she or someone did not want her being identified even after her death. Is it possible that any of her belongings in her suitcase were tampered with? If this were being covered up?
What if she took the pills, created a fire to inhale the smoke because that can kill people (weird but so is the case) during this time she could be standing after finally passing out and or dying from the smoke she falls forward into the fire. or she passed out from the pills and fell into the fire still asleep which caused her to inhale smoke and obviously burn. Just a guess. This was thought of before 21:30 into the video
Big Shaq that's what i thought tooo
Maybe she was a spy that wanted to commit suicide (by the pills) but then in the process of burning evidence accidentally set herself on fire. Never rule out incompetence.
My theory: She was a spy AND she committed suicide. Therefore, she burned herself so the body could not be identified and her true identity would remain unknown. She took the tremendous amount of sleeping pills as a means to dull or numb the pain of being burned alive.
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Spy sounds a little far fetched. Sounds more like drug trafficking or black market antiquities dealing to me....
How can you be sure you're not misgendering this person? What if she identified as a unicorn. Most likely she identified as a half rack of ribs and tried to become BBQ in its natural state. I thought y'all at buzzfeed were more sensitive to this kind of violence. Yes, it is violence to assume someone's pronoun. Alt right scum!
I think it has to be a murder of they did not find a lighter on the scene.
Shane and Ryan need their own TV show. the best content on Buzzfeed by far.
Ok. What if she was force fed the pills as an attempt to cover up her murder as suicide, but then, before she would die, set herself on fire in hopes that the investigators would rule out suicide and solve her murder.
Like all the mistery around her death was exactly what she intended in hope we would investigate further and solve it
I feel like she was a con artist
Ricky Goldsworth is back my dudes.
Were the pills examined? We don't know where the pills came from, but how did she get the pills?
The poor English slightly rules out the possibility of being a spy because English is one of the most spoken languages in the world
So pills were for her to stay unconscious while being burned obviously to stop from being identified but could also be to killed but to finish the job as the pills could have been low dosage
Chloe is so hot
She was a spy. Explains the wigs, makeup, etc. Somebody or a group of people was obviously after her for various reasons. However, she was unarmed, so...
Maybe she set herself on fire to get rid of the evidence? She was an illegal spy afterall and couldn't let her government get in trouble.
It’s fun when u actually can understand the writing at the papers
“Stvanger”
I’m norwegian and I didn’t even know about this case. Just thought I would put that out there (have seen 50 secs of the video, but the case was in Norway so just had to write about that)
maybe she swallowed load of sleeping pills that way she wouldn't feel the pain of burning. i think it's suicide
ok wait but what if like she was just a person that was running away from something so like maybe she was either running away from something she had done in the past or maybe she was one of those people who thought that the government was after her and then she killed herself because she thought that whatever she was running away from was finally catching up to her i mean like doesnt it make sense she had several passports and fake names she had costumes all of that makes her harder to identify and she hid all traces of her real name
What if she took the pills to kill herself because someone was coming after her. Then that person got her and burned her
6:43 I guess you could stay she has some *baggage* aYe Oh
This isn't a suicide because no one can burn themselves alive unless they were tied up, or had no escape. How do you just light yourself on fire and stand there, your body would naturally force you to move or run. Also where she was found, between rocks, they said nothing about burn marks. So that means she was placed there
sarah may maybe she took sleeping pills then someone killed her
Okay there's no way that that was a suicide because that's insane. I don't think it was an accident either. The whole spy Theory kind of makes sense but there's some holes in it which leads me to think that rather than a spy she sounds more like a scared woman who was running from something or possibly someone. If that person found her and forced her to take the pills to make it look like a suicide but then something went wrong and she freaked out and maybe started screaming or started running and then they set her on fire that would make more sense to me.
what if she was going to kill herself (the pills), but then got murdered due to her life as a spy. like she was just like "go ahead and pour gas on me and light me on fire ima die anyway".
Ella Lundgren that’s what i was thinking because in my mind their is no way it was a murder or suicide alone
It quite possibly could have been suicide, the force of swallowing 60 sleeping pills indicates the bruise, dying in your sleep is one of the most peaceful way to go, the burning was to prevent her identity from being released and as well to ensure that if the 60 pills didn’t put her in a permanent coma, she would still die
Bet, she was a vampire. Mystery solved
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patrick bates same what kind of pills ? what kind of side affects ?
Jessica's Pets maybe she was a prostitute? but you would have to ask the people at the hotel because i feel like if that was a huge possibility i think it would have been said in the video
Arib Khan that would make sense because she didn’t want to be caught
maybe she was followed by the murderer, then she was caught and brought to the death valley, maybe to avoid being killed she grabs and intake the sleeping pills to act like she's dead but still the murderer burned her. well.
I feel that there was foul play at hand. Then the Isdal woman didnt want to feel pain so she attempted swallowing the pills to die quickly. It explains the smoke inhalation and pills consumption.
She probably knew she was being followed and went to the death valley maybe try to lose them and ended up committing suicide so they she wouldn't be tortured for information and then they found her and burned her while she was alive thats my theory
she got flamethrowered by her angry boyfriend just before having sex
i think it was a suicide and a murder because maybe she tryed to kill her self.but thene she got killed by another spy. remmember her back was not burned
maybe she took those pills s she would be asleep for the fire part so she wouldn't feel the pain. In my opinion I think it was a suicide
I love the acting out and animation in this one
What does Isdal mean?
19:57 tic tacs my guy
BuzzFeed guys, consider that norwegian people have usually a label on their clothes, "navnelapp", with their full name on. They also have a tendency to put their full name on their belongings. Also, families love going for walks to the weirdest places.
Ok but what if! It was suicide + murder? What I'm thinking is... maybe her identity is compromised so she is planning to commit suicide. However the ones that are on her trail didn't know that, so they proceeded to "dispose" of her themselves. Bruising on the neck would be that karate chop thing they do to make people unconscious (not too sure if it's the right spot though)
she’s definitely a slavic spy the garlic gave it away once it brought on flashbacks of my family members eating garlic right out it’s little nook
She was probably burned to make sure that no one could identify her if she really was a spy
The cause of the fire was probably the hair spray. Take a lighter and spray the can towards it, and it should make a column of fire in front of it. It's dangerous to your hands though so gloves were probably used, which is why no finger prints were on the can. The murderer probably kept the lighter with them.
the fucking (wheeze) gets me every time
It's possible that she is being stalked by someone and when they caught her Something happened or it can be an assited suicide
For the murder one. Someone made her take the pills so it looks like a suicide because why would you set yourself on fire after comsuming 50 pills. The accident does not make sence becuase there is no explosion evidence. So i side on the murder.
strange bruising on the neck and she smelled like garlic? now i'm not saying vampires were involved but vampires were definitely involved
Suicide by setting yourself on fire...that is fucking metal.
If it was a suicide she could have lit herself on fire to make it look like someone killed her. She could have also taken the meds to make sure she wont be waking up.
When it said Death Valley I just thought of the fall out boy song
She took the pills, she sets the fire, she's falling asleep doenst feel the pain. bye!
was she a fuckin playboy bunny too
50-70 pill
Okay but weird bruising on her neck?? She smelled like garlic???? Clearly we’re are dealing with vampires, people! Wake up America!!!!!! There can be no other logical conclusion.
I think she did it herself, so here's what I think happened. She thought someone knew something they weren't or someone was out for her, like when spies drink poison so they coudent confess kinda thing. So she takes all the sleeping pills. Then she's like, oh, someone can identify me when I die so she burns her front half.
Alright, I don't know how solid this theory is, but the 'burning herself' doesn't seem that illogical to me. If she was a spy, she could have been really devoted to the country / intelligence agency she served. And perhaps, if she could have been identified post-mortem, it would have affected said country / intelligence agency. So, she might have taken the pills in oder to guarantee she would die of them, and not of the flames solely, but also ignited herself in order to prevent outsiders from recognizing her. However, the bruise on the neck does make this theory uncertain, I also can't think of a reason as to why she would place her watch, etc. aside since those items aren't of relevance. The theory of her having been murdered also makes sense and I think that maybe, if she really was devoted to her agency, she could have agreed on being murdered for the 'good' her agency wanted to fulfill? Though on the other hand, her previous behavior with the hotel switching, etc. indicates to me, that she was running away from something, although I don't get why she wouldn't leave the country entirely. What are your thoughts? Maybe I'm missing something. Also, these theories aren't very stable, rather circumstantial, since they partly rely on her being a really devoted (kind of brainwashed agent) or being an agent at all, which doesn't have to be true.
Maybe she was running from somebody and needed all the money from different places to start living... but when the person found her I'm guessing she tried to take her own life with the pills but they weren't working fast enough so she took both options with the fire and the pills. Or the person did that to her one or the other
She could've known someone was after her so she tried to kill herself by swallowing those sleeping pills, but the person caught up to her and burned her
has anyone else heard one version that someone saw the isdal woman in the forest with 4- 6 guys dressed in suit??
wtffff
Someone could have forced her at gunpoint to take the pills without telling her their intentions of setting her on fire.
she is a spy on the run from the government
thats a good theory.
if you drink the pills it immediately takes effect
Could you guys plz do the Original Night Stalker and the Long Island Serial Killer
the worst thing a spy could do when discovered is commit suicide.- joker game(2016) ep1
When you guys said she had wigs in her suitcase, I just thought "meh, maybe she's black... I pack wigs in my suitcase lol".
She was probably tortured
It’s simple, it was a two man job. She took the pills to commit suicide, asked someone to burn her body afterwards so she was unidentifiable but they burned her after she fell asleep thinking she was already dead, she woke up, that’s why her arms were up and she burned alive...
What if she knew she was going to be killed so she tried to kill herself, but the pills didn't kick in until after the killer got ahold of her?
Maybe she took the labels off everything so the serial numbers couldn’t be traced?
This is theory but why would the police stop with the investigation so leisurely. Maybe one of the police chiefs was the murderer. This is only a theory.
BURNING HERSELF? GARLIC? LOTS OF MONEY? VAMPIRE
If they can find her fingerprints can't they identify her family
Definitely a spy
Breadsticks Boots Burning myself alive
She was set on fire so people couldn't identify her
Barbecue and eating corpses is indeed gross and wrong on multiple levels.
maybe she was running away or hiding from someone.
The videos they've made to show the case are hilarious
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She most likely set herself on fire to make herself unrecognizable, and swallowed the pills beforehand so that she wouldn't burn to death, but just fall asleep.
What if she was schizophrenic? Maybe? That would kinda make sense
I claim vampire She had previously been human and despised vampires so tried to repel them thus garlic smell Then one day she was bitten hence bruises on neck she attempted suicide with pills when that didn't work her jewellery witch could be made of iron burned her skin so she took them of she fell got knocked out and then the sun burned her face but her back was covered
ok so i know this is a while back video... but am i the only one that noticed that this is the same thing as the Somerton man case? Also, they were only 30 some years apart. Think about it, all tags cut off of everything, unidentifiable fingerprints, checking into multiple hotels within days but not moving far, its a little odd.. maybe i'm wrong but that seems a little fishy.
(EDIT) I WROTE THIS BEFORE minute 7. She was spy, someone found out, she burned another girl so they wont identify her, put a fingerprint on glasses so people who found out she is spy thought she is dead no, thats why she burned another victim. Then she left and lived happily in U.S. and noone chased her after. The end.
What about the boots and the umbrella? Isn’t there a possibility that it was raining which could have put off the fire? Why wasn’t that considered? She also could have been hit with the umbrella on the neck, causing the umbrella to break.
What if the pills were to make her drousy then eventually kill her... Doesn't have to kill her straight away... But why isnt there vomit found in the scene?? Clearly it wasn't digested but then what the point of the pills if they weren't given time to effect her????
If it was a suicide the position she was found in looks weird as if she was defending herself.
I thought maybe she took the pills to help her go to sleep faster since she overdosed then set the front part of her body on fire in he hopes of making her face unidentifiable. But then there are some contractions with the location the petrol container was found sooooo yeah.
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She would’ve had a reaction to that many pills, she would’ve thrown up or something
I think she/someone set her on fire to cover the identity of her. Or mabey she thought the pill would numb the pain or something.
I wish unsolved was it’s open channel
I reckon it was a murder-- the killer forced the pills down her throat (bruising) so that it would look as though it was a suicide. Like others have said I think the fire was to remove her identity.
I think that maybe she was a spy which would explain the identities. She was most likely from Europe, but fled the country as she was being hunted. She probably only did work in Europe so she knew little English. They were close on her so she decided suicide was preferable to the death she would suffer from the people following her. She ingested the pills, but they found her before the medication set in. This would explain the bruise on her neck before she was burned alive.
Sorry to tell you this guys but I personnaly remove all the tags of my clothes because I always find they itch, I remove the tag on my pills bottles because I don't want others to know what kind of psych meds I take. Sorry but to me this means NOTHING.
What if she was being stalked and traveled not to get caught until they finally found her.
If you're a spy, you likely don't want someone to know who you are, even if you're committing suicide. Maybe she took the pills to dull the pain of the flames and then set herself on fire to avoid identification.
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Isn’t it funny that normal people that watch this can make breakthroughs while watching this? While *professenialy* trained people cant figure it out.
Disguises? Fire? Sounds like V.F.D. Case solved.
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Maybe the girl swallowed the pills so she could not feel the pain as she burned
7min in I'm telling she was a spy
isn't it possible she could be murdered and tried to kill herself? she was drugged 50 sleeping pills and the set the fire herself so she wouldn't be slowly poisoned by the pills and all the running away was from the person who drugged her? idk i'm just going by what was heard
I think we was a spy who new she was being tracked down so she took the sleeping pills to prevent herself from having a painful death but ended up dying painfully anyways. Also the neck bruising could mean some forceful swallowing of the pills so all of the theories could just be materialized because of this.
I have solved this murder: She was picked up (this is why her packages were found at the train station) They took her to the cliff, made it look like she wanted to commit suicide by making her swallow the pills, the mark on her neck was from holding her and forcing her. Splashed some gasoline on her real quick, set her on fire, and pushed her off the cliff, this is why her back wasn’t burnt. They also tossed the gasoline down as well, this is why the petro was found near by.
If you leave the corpe's clothes on, the police can use them to describe the victim (on the news and stuff). Then a close friend or family member (or any other person who's seen the victim that day) can be like "oh yeah, that sounds a lot like what ____ was using when she went missing!!" which is gonna make it easier to gather clues and solve the mystery. It's not an unnecessary precaution at all.
Watching these before bed... I'm Soo smart
I love to see what different adjectives they come up with each week to describe the cases
I think the spy theory is a good one. What about if she was about to be discovered and only had sleeping pills on hand, but they were working too slow and the people who were after her wanted to make her suffer by burning her? 'Think you are going to die a peaceful death? Psyche! You getting burned!' Just a thought though.
Is there a q and a for this?
She just wanted to be on this show.... I mean I would do that
“Death Valley” *automatically thinks of the Fall Out Boy song*
Gun pointed at her and forced her to swallow the pills would be logical. If she really was a spy, those people who wanted her dead would’ve wanted it to look inconspicuous and make it look like a suicide. Unfortunately, the woman must’ve been still fighting which probably prompted the burning. Take everything that would make her recognizable. Probably sprayed face to face with gasoline which would explain the frontal burn then lit with a matchstick. She was probably too weak to fight back then. Tsk tsk poor thing
what they do with the tag is they get the number at the bottom which is sort of like the product number and they can trace it back (if a credit card is used) to see who purchased it and identify the person like that.
just going to watch pewdiepie ..i have to relax after this marathon
If they took the labels of that could mean that they where cloths from another area so if they removed the tags there would be know way to Linck the area to the cloths found
I think I know why she set herself on fire so nobody could recognize your face that’s why only the front is burned
Wait were they playing mw or mw2 music at 5:10
ah, yes, my three favourite things. breadsticks. boots. burning myself alive.
ahh, yes,my three favourite things. breadsticks. books. burning myself alive.
If they needed to know what she looked like, couldn’t they look at her passport photo. Instead of wasting time for a sketch
How do you take 50 pills and till be able to walk
Is it possible she was a prostitute that was either a) trying to transition to a normal life? Or b) someone with a stalker? C) someone running away from an abusive woman? D) a woman escaping from mental institution?
I'm Norwegian, and I give both of them an A in pronouncing these names.
theres a similar case in norway. "the kambo-man". the tags from his clothes were removed, and his identity is unknown. this was in 1987.
Isnt it possible she set herself on fire so that no one would know what she looked like
I think the burning might just have been an attempt by the murderer to get rid of her body
Perhaps she was some kind of organized crime/smuggling person?
She could have been running from someone and they finally found her and killed her.
what if she knew somebody was coming for her so she took the pills in order to give herself a peaceful death BUT they got there before the pills could kill her and they set her on fire?? idk that’s just where my mind went
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I think that she was a spy and it was suicide : so she wanted to die so she took the pills but they were taking to long to kill her so she decided to burn herself .done case solved
just realized this came out on my birthday. lit
I'm disliking this episode because of that annoying mannequin in the background.
So heres my two cents. Shes not a spy she was apart of ethier the mafia or a cartel. 1. Travels a lot. 2. The kill was brutal where I belive spys would have been much cleaner. 3. She had a lot of money and things. 4. She acted abnormal. A spy probaly wouldnt draw that much attention. So she was being hunted but also not a professional in the field. A spy and a mafia/cartel agent have some very close similarities. However one big diffrence is the amount of training. Anyway thats just my theory based on the evidence in the video. Though I will mention you forgot to take the position she was found in into account. Perhaps she was taken, made to swallow the pills and then lit on fire. Part way through her body woke up due to the danger and she tried to fight against the fire.
She may have taken the pills as a preventative measure. She knew someone was after her, and didnt want them to get information.
A thought I had was that if she was a spy and she needed to disappear and make her body unrecognizable, she would take sleeping pills so she wouldn't be in as much pain when her body was set on fire.
I think she was a spy, i think she and her killer knew each other, i think she knew she was going to die and didn’t even try to fight it, i think she willingly took the pills, i think the killer told her to swallow the pills so she would maybe not feel as much pain while she burned.
She had to set her FRONT self on fire to hide her identity!! She also cut the tags off so there would be no traces back to her!! She had taken many pills b/c she may have been desperate at the time to die. The reason she wanted to die should connect back to her odd nature of hiding her identity - maybe someone found out?? Someone was coming for her??
Breadsticks, Boots, Burning myself alive
What if she took the pills because since she was obviously trying not to be found and decided if she committed suicide it would be an easier way out. Before she could die, the person looking for her, found her before she died and set her body on fire for revenge or something? Idk this is confusing as hell
If she was a spy maybe a fellow spy probably got orders to kill her and they killed her in a way that'll confuse the public.
If you press a certain point on the right side of your neck you can swallow unwillingly but what if the woman was running away from something that would explain her taking al the tags out of her clothing en all the labels being removed
I really like this case I just have one question, did she have a garlicky sheen too?
have you guys thought of that she found something out, knew people from other agencies were watching her and decided to commit suicide but just after she had taken the pills she was ambushed and taken to the middle of nowhere, torured and burned alive as to not leave any evidence of what they had done to her. just a theory.
Could it be possible she knew someone was going to murder her, so she attempted to kill her peacefully, but they caught up to her and killed her, not knowing she was going to die anyway?
why did it have to be in norway. and even worse its so close to were i live
Maybe it was a suicide because she was a spy or something, did something wrong and wanted to die but she had assistance. She took the sleeping pills and the other person waited for her to fall asleep while still breathing burned her. So that may explain the carbon monoxide in her lungs.
It was a murder and then the person tried to destroy the evidence or just make her unidentifiable
I bet the money from the UK was enough to just buy a single freddo
I think she was a spy but she was running away from something or someone who was trying to kill her. Following on from the thing about the cyanide capsules, what if the organisation she worked for engineered a smaller amount of pills that contained the concentration of 50-70? When it came to the final confrontation, the murderer threatened her (possibly violently, explaining the bruise on her neck if he grabbed her) so she took the pills so he wouldn't have the chance to kill her himself. Then the person, who ever it was, decided to remove her jewellery (to deliberately confuse the police) and then burned the body to get rid of any evidence, dumping the petrol nearby.
Maybe she a spy and she have been made , spy love to kill them self before they get caught so she’s not torture to give out info so she took all those pill but was caught before she could digest them and the person who caught her burn her alive
I read an article on BBC about this case and found out she also brought packed lunch. If I were to commit suicide, i wouldn't bring stuff for survival like food knowing i am about to die anyways. Clearly, she was murdered.
5:33 white people myth is true..horror movies are real lol..
in the beginning, i deadass thought my laptop was making THAT sound when its been on for while
Do an ark of the covenant episode!
She could have been a prostitute and she had a lot of passports because then she people people paying her would not find her that's why she changed her hotel rooms and then the person who killed her got ripped off by the girl and made her take in pills and tryed to burn her after to cover it up and she had no clothing tags because then people could find her. She took the pills because someone was after her and she got scares1 she got the bruse from the killer hitting her making her fall and then burning her
What if she had a kind of identity displacement disorder or something
Gisle (gis-le) not gissel
Fin to listen to english speaking people trying to pronounce norwegian words
She was a spy and she had to kill herself to hide information or something.. so she killed herself with the pills and wanted to hide her identity with the fire (like scratching off her face)
SHES CIA
Damn those “spies” if so are like 12 steps ahead
also, how did the suitcases get to the station if it was suicide??
I am watching this at midnight I feel proud of myself
I think she knew someone was coming for her (and had been cornered into the strange location in her attempt to evade them) so she took off her jewellery and prepared for suicide so took the sleeping pills bc she wanted to die peacefully before they could get her, but before the pills had a chance to be absorbed and work whoever she was running from caught up with her and burnt her alive with the petrol (maybe the neck bruise was from a struggle with them)
This is my take. So,she's a spy. That's certain. She gets into fights,runs away,falls,gets hit - Neck Bruise? More like battle scar. 50-70 sleeping pills? Suicide. Fire? Acidental burns. She was waiting for the pills to kick in, does her hair too look good, can falls into fire - One thorougly burned face. OR It was an attempt to make her never be identified. No one is gonna identify a burned body, especially when the face is burned.
Actually the sleeping pill is not a good way of suicide. You will vomit as the large amount of drugs upset your digestive system. Your muscles are already paralyzed but your conscience is not. The person will end up choking up on their vomit when they can still "enjoy" this. I would rather jump off a real high building
To hear English speaking people pronouns the names of Norwegian cities is honestly the funniest thing
The description that she is stylish may mean that she is Rachel Green (blonde wig)
Finally an episode I haven’t seen
breadsticks. boots. burning myself alive.
Death by Cyanide poisoning awful and it is NOT quick at all. The Cyanide essentially suffocates you and causes immense pain as it shuts down organs in your body and you feel every little bit.
ok so i know this is supposed to be scary but...... when the screen showed ''dank you wel'' i died
KGB
Maybe she was running from a powerful and abusive husband
Even with white scribble on her I can still recognize chloe
if it was an incident,that wouldn’t explain the petrol nor the pills if it was a suicide,how would she place the petrol away before she was set on fire
this death could have been a suicide & a murder---- she could have been in the process of suicide but may have been murdered before she could die.
Can you do the animations again Shane
I think she was set on fire then wanted to die quickly because it was so painful so she tried to have as many sleeping pills as possible so she dies quicker
Why did she leave her suitcases behind
Can anyone tell me what is meant by *DANK U WEL!* ?
Welp i live in norway so im horrified
Well if she was being followed she might have tried to kill her selve with the pills but then the person following her found her and burned her not knowing about the pills
Pretty sure that there is some high end government employee who knows exactly who this woman was, but because she was a spy, revealing that the woman was "Mrs. Jane Doe" or something could also compromise whatever secrets they learned from the woman to the spied upon country. This unsolved case is moreso just an example of a shoddy clean up job from either an enemy spy or a spy that was supposed to erase one of their co workers that was compremised.
Ok so, I’m rewatching this seasons videos and a thought struck me. What if she was just solely trying to run away or hide from something or someone? Yeah, it could play into the spy thing but it could also work by itself. Idk though.
When they said her breath smelt of garlic all I could think of was the toxic woman case they did a year ago!!!!??? Idk if they could be connected but I thought it was super weird that two of their strange cases have women with garlic breath
Why did nobody consider sex work in this case?? Seems like she took the pills, only burned the front side of her body so she was recognizable. She clearly tried hard to conceal her identity thru cutting off the tags and labels and using false identities/code. Maybe she was a high class escort who had a rouge client?? Idk haha
24:15 Do it. This is a great video idea.
Maybe she took the pills so that way when she would burn herself it wouldn’t be as painful cause she won’t be able to feel it
Jessica kumala wongso
What if someone murdered her and then tried to make it look like she was a spy? The only reason (that is mentioned) that people believe she's a spy is her fingerprint on some glasses in a suitcase! Someone could have planted all the suitcases, and that could also explain why she wrote the hotels in code, because that would be a clear clue that she is a spy! I believe that someone wanted a spy dead, and then she faked her death so that they would stop. She found somehow a dead body, made it unrecognizable, tore all the labels off and then took the glasses of the dead woman and put them in a suitcase that had inside the passports and wigs and stuff of the real spy. Sorry if my english isn't that great, i am greek
She's a VAMPIRE! Burnt, Garlic, "Well dressed", Bruising on the Neck HA! Case solved lol
Maybe she swallowed the pills to kill herself then someone wanted her dead pointed the gun to her head and had her take off her jewelry so they can rob her then decided to set her on fire as the pills were beginning to take affect on her. the bruise can likely be from falling over and hitting something or before setting her on fire, the person hit her to force her to do as they say. Once they saw no use for her, they killed her.
Labels could be removed in case maybe the clothes could be tracked by their purchase and who owned them or recently bought them at a store idk
OR what if she took the pills in order to prevent someone from interrogating her or from being caught as a spy. Whoever who was after most likely found her unconscious, shortly after she took the pills. The perpetrator could become enraged, burning the body and hiding it in a remote location to ensure there was no closure.
Also the “warehouse” at Haukeland Hospital is what’s known as a “forensic archive” I suppose the word warehouse works too, but the archive is where they store forensic evidence like bones, tissue samples, and other pieces of evidence such as clothing, for unsolved cases, in hopes that one day they can be solved. As far as how they got there, and the rumor of the jaw being thrown away due to odor, those are mysteries. I also wonder how exactly these items were found in this particular place, since it doesn’t sound like they were catalogued or even known to be there by investigators.
this was posted on my birthday ayyy
I think the spy idea is very likely bc if she was murdered, it was obviously by someone who was knowledgeable on how to kill someone without being identified themselves, as well as making sure the victim was in no way identifiable or traceable (removal of labels, burning, etc). Who would know this? Most likely a spy or someone Involved In espionage in some way. It's far too calculated to be a random, juvenile murder. If she wasn't murdered and it was a suicide, the same applies bc she knew how to make herself unidentifable and untraceable. I believe she is a spy who was possibly murdered by another spy. Seems to make the most sense. (Edit) also explains the constant room changing, she was being followed/ traced by someone. Possibly another spy?
I fucking love hearing American people prononuce Norwegian names
i know that she was not dressed like she was going hiking according to someone who saw her walking near the trail (she was being followed by two men who she seemed to be scared of) but she and the men dissapeared before he (the guy who saw them) could do anything about it he apparently called the police about it but were told to forget about her as the case would never be solved also she was somehow linked to a photographer (by a postcard i think - you may say this part but i havent finished the video yet) who claimed he went out with her for drinks or something - and he was thought to be a suspect but was ruled out - i think she told him she was an antique dealer
i always thought her finger prints were filed off but eh
26:40 "febeuary"
Maybe she was trying to run/hide from someone and they found her and killed her!! :0
24:16 jesus christ shane
She might be a Vampire!! :0
She could have done suicide and burned herself as well to hide her identity since she was doing it so carefully.
HOT OIL
"Breadsticks, boots, burning myself alive"....beets, bears, battlestar galactica
Listening to Ryan trying to pronounce Norwegian names is so funny and cute skkskksksls
NRK is now trying to reach out in europe to find more info about the mystery. Podcast: https://radio.nrk.no/podcast/p060ms2h/urnbbcpodcastp0646dbd
It’s Chloe!
yes, cyanide works very quickly, there is a murder case in my country where the cyanide is mixed with coffee and when the victim drank it she suddenly went stiff, vomitted and died between 15 - 30 minutes later
Ok so I think it was a murder. Could the bruise on her neck be from a broken neck and they put the pills and set her on fire to try to cover it up and hide her identity. OR Was she on the run because she had been found, ran into the mountains, knew she was going to die so swallowed 50-70 pills to try to kill herself so she wouldn't give information, but whoever was chasing her caught up with her and set her on fire as a torture method but she ended up falling over the cliff? I feel like I watch to many murder shows.
they check the tags on the clothes because when you take them to the cleaners the cleaners write your name on the tag just in case they lose them they can look for your name on the tag
*Get you a guy that makes you laugh like Shane.*
what if she had a secret to hide, a big secret and she was hiding from someone. maybe she downs all the pills to die with the secret and when her chaser found her dead/dying he/she got mad and set her on fire - becca
Did anyone else see the mannequins hand move at 12:43?
For those of you who might be further interested regarding this case, there's a podcast called Death in Ice Valley. It's lead by a Norwegian investigative journalist and the BBC. I came across the podcast by pure accident and I got sooo excited because I was like "Buzzfeed! Ryan! Shane!". I must tell the other Buzzfeed Unsolved fans of this.
Why was the suitcase found 3 days later ?
I thing she took the pills to kill herserf but someone(another spy or sth) found her and set her on fire
I mean.. she had all the sleeping tablets so she wouldn't feel as much pain. I would think it's a suicide. If it were a murder by another spy, there wouldn't be a body that was found.
"Hello I'm Banjo Mclintock"
do the maguindanao massacre..
But.....if she committed suicide, and wanted to remain unknown, wouldn't she have done it the way most people do? They usually pour the petrol over themselves from above their heads, hence, their entire body burns. A murderer, on the other hand, would place the body on the ground and pour the petrol over it and only the front would burn.
Maybe whoever lit her on fire did so to make her unidentifiable. Her face and other areas are burnt to get rid of any evidence towards her identity to eliminate motive
This has govt hit written all over it
I think that she was on the run and someone was tracking her down which would be why why she had different names and wigs and all that. Then she didn’t wanna be captured and tortured so she overdosed but someone found her before she could die and burned her.
Anyone else notice the Elf Contour Palette in the recreation photo
I have a theory: She was held at gunpoint and told to take the pills. She ended up passing out. Asleep but not dead. In an attempt to hide the evidence of the body, the person with the gun set her on fire. The fire could have been smothered by wind, water, etc.. There's a lot of flaws with this theory but whatever. Another theory: she was schizophrenic/ she had a multiple personality disorder
No ones going to mention the fact they brought out “Ricky Goldsworth” again
my analysis : murder (cover up) why? 3 main reasons : 1) location of death ( death valley) - people rarely go there, so likely murderers thought body would be found too late (if found) or hoped it would never be 2) the body parts that go missing, the timely death of the dentist and finally the parts along with teeth turning up 3) why remove ur own fingerprints from the body if ur about to suicide (fingerprints on the body were sanded away) - burns can cause this - so maybe burned intentionally to keep her identity a secret how it could have been done? 1) the blow to the side of the neck - knocks her unconscious/renders her weak 2)using a ryles tube/bigger feeding tube - give the pills to make it look like aempted suicide although extremly difficult to do but not impossible 3) then burned by pouring petrol after laying her down and setting her on fire who? 1) most likely involvement of her own agency /government ( if she was a spy/agent/ or new a classified secret) reason being - a)the way the teeth evidence was easily misplaced and then reappeared just as easily b) the people involved with the case all end up saying its suicide even thou other possibilites havent been proved not true. - most likely told by higher authorities to say so and close the case. c) crime reporter gets message to not open envelope ( mostly false story) - when infact he could have been secretly threatened not to reveal the read details and make up the story. d) if the government wants to keep something hidden ....most of the time it stays hidden...since they have the power, the resources and the people to get the job done clean. finally all this is just mere speculation but until thats proven otherwise... ITS just a Theory......a CRIME THEORY.
I think that it was a suicide and the reason she set herself on fire was to hide her identity so that she could be hidden from police and protect the company/organization she was working for. either that or someone came later and quickly set her face on fire after she died to also hide the identity. She could have been chased or under attack and wanted nothing more to do with this. So she killed her self and to protect her company she hid her identity.
Being from Norway I had already read about this for a social studies class papers
It should be a homicide because it could’ve took to long after the person made her take the pills than it took to long so he used the gas can he used to make the fire and lit her on fire and she fell off the cliff
am i the only one who died when Shane pooped the key out
Y'all don't realize that the code might be an Enigma. The codes are per 3 characters. And it is noted that she could speak german? Idk if she is a spy she could get an idea about Enigma.
I don't think that the suitcase was actually hers. If I were to have two suitcases filled with masquerades I would not leave any evidence of it being mine, especially the fingerprint on the glasses could have been put on the glasses forcibly or while the woman was unconscious. It seems suspicious that her face was burned and the backside was left untouched. Afterwards the teeth had been removed so the only clue to identification was lost for a little while. In this time maybe the then found teeth had been placed in the warehouse without the owner knowing, kinda like dropping them of while posing as a customer prior to the actual killing event took place. I think this was a setup by an actual female spy. Let's say the dead woman was a target by a spy organisation because she possessed something or something else. The spies knew about her and knew how she looked so they send a woman with similar features (similar hair colour, white, European looking, language skills) as an agent. That woman, if she were a spy, would have it pretty easy to get false teeth like that and, again, pose them in the warehouse without being perceived as suspicious. The sightings of the woman can be explained by the spy dressing up as the dead woman, obviously this was fairly easy as the Isdal Woman's face is no longer there to verify her appearance after the burning took place. Furthermore, having about 80 sleeping pills and then being burned does seem a bit weird to me as well. What I suspect is that the spy successfully captured the target with the goal to kill her for whatever reasons spies have to do that. Maybe the spy gave the sleeping pills to the murdered woman by telling her that she was actually about to burn her and the sleeping pills would dull the pain. The Isdal Woman swallowed as many pills as possible to make her death as painless as possible and then fell unconscious. But she did not die from the usage of so many pills because they weren't properly digested yet, as found in the inspection. While she was unconscious the spy changed the Isdal Woman's clothes so that there wouldn't be any tags on them, making it harder to identify her and making it seem as if she were a spy, the spy probably also made sure to leave the victims fingerprint on the later found glasses. The actual spy did at some point leave the two suitcases at the train station. Having an actual spy kill the woman and then making it seem as if there was an actual spy being killed makes a lot of sense because who would kill a spy and then burn the face of so they identification would be impossible? If someone were to kill a spy the probably wouldn't even have to burn the face because identification wouldn't be possible per see, cause we are talking about spies here.Thats what I think is the most logical conclusion I can think of. Still doesn't clarify who the woman though
What if someone was after her, she went to kill herself but the someone who was after her got to her before the pills kicked in?
Maybe she was a spy and wanted to kill herself and took the pills and set fire to only the front of her to hide her identity.
That’s how good of a spy she was!
You would both make bad spies because you both have unique faces.
Does anyone else agree with Shane that going off the trail when hiking is a death wish? I know I do.
What if she took those pills to kill herself before she got found out or killed by someone else who could have exposed her features? But she got burned before it worked, by someone who wasn’t fond of her.
i don't think she would've died with her arms in that position if it was suicide. she appeared to have been defending herself
This world is awful.
mayybee she was a spy??
I think that she was a spy and probably killed herself to hide her espionage, like she was compromised. I think the sleeping pills and the fire were a way of completely covering her tracks. That way, it would be very difficult to find out who she is. And if that was her intent, she did a damn good job.
Woman is a spy like the end
Maybe she knew someone was coming to kill her so she tried to kill herself but they found her right after she took pills
On the topic of cyanide pills, they don't work as quick in movies. Cyanide is a toxin that deoxidizes the body, slowly, and painfully. It is not a quick or easy death, and it's been noted to take anywhere between 2-6 hours to finish the job, or take effect. At least, this is what I remember about it.
For murder, she could have tried to fight back at some point, covering her in bruises so to help cover it up, so they lit her on fire?
Makes me think of the Somerton Man tbh
i personally think all the costumes/coverups were because she was running from someone. when she thought they were catching up, she took all the sleeping pills in an attempt to kill herself before they could get to her. however, the pills did not kick in on time and the person chasing her got to her. whether that person lit her on fire or she lit herself on fire in desperation, i don't know. if she was a spy who held valuable information, she would have been aware of the mass amounts of torture she would have to go through if captured, so suicide (no matter how gruesome) really doesn't seem that unlikely.
spy?
Probably she knew she was gonna get murdered and she took the pills not to suffer.... plus fire is the best way to make someone not easily identifiable
Didnt that one person take drugs then burst on fire? This might be a similar situation except they were trying to die.
She may have committed suicide and lit herself of fire so she couldn't be identified.
Thicc plot
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Ahaha, even through the drawing around her you can tell the Isdal woman in the reenactment is Chloe Zak
The return of the fruity garlicky smell?! I think so...
I think she tried to kill herself before whoever was after her killed her. But the pills didn’t work fast enough and the got her and set her on fire.
Isn't it possible that it's a suicide and she is a spy or a person wanting to hide her true identity, maybe she burnt herself to hide what she really looks like? Or maybe this person is a fall person for an actual spy and she needed a body in order to fake her own death? I mean you do all this to hide your identity, but you leave a fingerprint on glasses and your luggage in a public place?
Clothing tags have serial numbers on them that could trace who possibly purchased the item or when if police took the tags to the store they were bought in.
I’m guessing she’s a spy?
Just an fyi - dna indicates ancestry. Isotope tests indicate the location you lived as your adult teeth were forming. So you can have German ancestry, but be born and raisedin, say, Spain.
Someone was probably robing her and she placed her things down and they burned her with a fire launcher
Fire extinguisher
I’ve been told that burning flesh smells like burnt toast, but I’ve never smelt burning flesh myself so I don’t know how true that is
Maybe: Ok i have done alot of bad things and need to die but no one can know who i am. Im going to burn myself, mainly my features, but in case the fire doesnt kill me, im going to swallow alot of pills to ease the pain and fall asleep.
love the ricky goldsworth reference, lil call back to last season
What happen *wheeze*
Welcome back to another episode of 'Ryan Tries To Pronounce Words' in this episode, Ryan struggles to say petrol
Sounds like the Taman Shud murder. People think that man was a spy. Maybe this woman was perhaps also a spy.
GOD,what is it with dead people and garlic!?!?!?!?!The toxic death of Gloria Ramer'az, several others,now THIS!?!?? I smell a rat.........
What about the theory that she might of tried to commit suicide before an enemy murdered her, but they found her before the pills worked and burned her to hide her identity and possibly by extension, their own or their oginaization's. Just a thought because personally if I thought I was gonna be murdered in an extremely painful way I would try to off my self less painfully.
i think she was a soviet spy that was burned to death by a late US spy or she commit suicide because she couldent take the stress of the cold war #anaSHANEiaks
she was being tracked down, she was forced to swallow the pills to make movement difficult. her killer wanted to make sure she would be unknown by burning her front
“Poor English accent” “born in North America”... srsly no one came to the possibility that she could be from Canada and only learnt how to speak French... I mean it’s rare but possible, and that could help her get into Belgium France and then Germany (although u don’t speak French there but I mean...)
Perhaps even Asia... `Shows Finland, Estonia and Russia´
*P E T R A L*
It was Ishmael from mgsv. "We gave her a light, she took the short way down"? Hmmm
What if she committed suicide and for some reason someone wanted no one to no that she committed suicide on there property
Clearly she was hiding/ running from something or someone, so maybe she did commit suicide, and light herself on fire to attempt to mask her identity even after death
"Breadsticks. Boots. Burning myself alive."
Most likely this is a disappearing involving a person who knew her in some way; there were definitely another person involved. She was unconscious when the fire was lit from the pills; most likely as a mercy agent. She probably asked for items left to be given to someone she cared for. But the other person figured it was not a good idea, and walked away after lighting the fire, probably because it was too disturbing, she probably woke as she was set on fire, and then died, but that possibly horrified the killer who assumed she was already dead from the pills. The pills, the removal of personal effects, and the semi incineration point to some amount of respect or concern for the victim. The person or persons who attempted to destroy the body didn't just shoot and burn her, their haste in leaving before all evidence was destroyed was either because they feared discovery or a distaste for the process. She was definitely a spy. She probably was apprehended at the train station and the abductor didn't have a chance to also grab her luggage.
Bruising on neck caused by being forced to swallow the pills. Pills were to keep her from making noise while being burned. Being burned was to prevent her from being identified (which obviously worked).
The fact that the burns were only on her front is really getting to me. They seem almost controlled, and as if the person who lit the fire wanted there to be a body left to find. If she was a double agent or something like that and it was murder, she may have also been made an example to scare others. If it was suicide, she may have asked someone to burn her beyond recognition to prevent herself from being properly identified as a method of protection. Either way, the poor thing would've been in a hell of a lot of pain before she died :\
What if its Really suïcide , like she was kind of depressed and Maybe paranoid that her Only soluties was to be erased , So nobody would know who she was and So on , Maybe she took the pills to be in A daze ( not feeling pain ) , and Yeah the fire to be fully gone , But as we can see , that plan Did not work . Its Really hard to know What happend , Allso how do they know she was falen from the cliff ? The Only bruise that was found was on her neck , that could not be from a fall , Maybe a pressure point ? To be honest its Really weird .
Maybe she poured petrol on herself and left the can and walked to the cliff place. Then she would have taken off her jewellery because burning metal on her skin would cause even more pain. Then she probably set herself on fire. She might have taken so many sleeping pills out of nervousness of killing her self and hoped that intake of a large amount might make her fall asleep and avoid pain during burning herself. She probably burnt herself because she was a spy or agent and she didn't want to be identified even after death. This would also explain why she burned herself at a cliff instead of her house or something because then no one can track down where she was staying.
Scratched-off labels? She didn't want anyone to follow her and track her locations, clearly.
Since she can afford so many hotels, has illegal passports, etc. she could be an assassin or a criminal, or as they said, an illegal agent since I am sure agents would use legit passports. And the fact she didn't want anyone to follow her and switched hotels so much, maybe she was running away from a killer.
She looked like someone from France, though. So she either worked for Russia as a French woman or was a criminal or a spy (agent) of some sort, or even an assassin.
She maybe worked for Denmark or Germany, or even Belgium. Or perhaps France.
The office: bears, beets, battlestar gallatica (did i spell that right?) Buzzfeed unsolved: breadsticks, boots, burning myself alive
*Breadsticks, boots, burnin myself alive* This is my new catchphrase.
sounds like the label thing is probably an ocd compulsion for either the woman or her murderer, while removal of the prescription label is practical as it could be used as an identifier, removal of bottle and makeup labels makes it sound more like something they can't help
So she disguised herself as a person, removing all the labels from her clothes and wearing wigs, and she died in a way that would truly prevent her from ever being identified.
Well if they made her swallow the pills but then she fought back they strangled her in the struggle then to get rid of evidence they then burned her...that may explain part of it
What if she was under a whiteness protection program because she had seen something that made it so people wanted her dead.... why is/was that never considered?
Wouldn’t scars left from burns make it MORE easier to identify. I read that burning fingers to remove finger prints does the opposite unless it was a misconception
Murder. And it went well: Untracable. I think forcing one to take that many pills would be actually very smart because it’d look like a suicide, maybe burn the body to make her unidentifiable, maybe burn up any potential fingerprints left on her clothing/belongings, i feel like ruling this out as anything but murder is kinda silly
Hang on, is that how you pronounce petrol? You've got to work on your pronunciation lol
Maybe she was just a woman running from a crazy and abusive husband.
I didn't know Norway looked so much like Southern California
I think that she was a spy who committed suicide, and that the fire was her own doing so she would never be identified.
I think it’s a illuminati alien
What if she was being followed and that's why she changed things so often? And that finally the person did end up killing her?
The fire is to keep her from being identified
She fucked up, as a spy decided that she’d rather die than give up info- she took the pills as precaution and then the murderer set her on fire when realised she wouldn’t give up and was prepared to die so they set her on fire?
Repeatedly distracted by Ryan's pronunciation of Petrol "petreool"
Committing suicide among spies is very common especially when being caught. by the way she had multiple identities and changed locations multiple times shows she was running from something. then she would have eaten the tablets and drenched the front of herself with petrol and left it by the tree to hide her identify after death, to avoid any backlash of her discovery by other nations during the cold war by lighting herself on fire then jumping off the cliff in which she succeeded in doing so.
With the whole labels being cut off her clothes, She had eczema cream right? I've got eczema and most and I mean like the vast majority of my clothes have all the labels cut off because they itch and irritate my skin. Labels being off of bottles could be a stress thing too like she picked at the labels maybe psyching herself up to torch herself. She might have an emotional attachment to the jewellery that made it hard for her to let it burn even if she was dying. I think it was a suicide. I think she was a spy and might have been caught and knew her time was running out, took the pills so that even if she couldnt make herself set herself on fire she'd die, bruises could be from forcing herself to take the pills or maybe her being caught included some sort of altercation. Set herself on fire so that she wouldnt be identifiable . The guy identifying the smell as garlic years later could be from being pestered about how it smelt and going IDK GARLIC?? I GUESS?
Please do one on the Golden State killer
See why are you all thinking that it was either a murder or a suicide. WHY NOT BOTH. As a spy the woman may known that an enemy discovered her and to escape being captured she attempted suicide. But before she could die, her enemy found her and used explosives of some sort. That's why it's one the front not the back. Then either the enemy or comrade found her body and left it wherever along with her posessions.
What's a little confusing is when a case is ruled a suicide, no further action is allowed to be taken besides contacting the family. Of course they would need to find out the identity- which is a big part of this case. This is just really confusing
Are you sure it wasn’t fruity garlic?
My theory is that she killed herself, hence the placement of watches and stuff, and to make sure she wasn’t identified lit herself on fire. Maybe she was a spy who had grown tired of running or she was being threatened and couldn’t stand it anymore?
I know this might be a wild thought, but the scent the woman had on her 3 weeks prior to when she was found stuck with me. The garlic smell could maybe indicate that she was working with chemicals that smell like garlic, like sulfur mustard. It would make sense in a way, and if she was a spy, maybe she had some understanding of certain toxins. She would have removed her items from her body to ensure full burning and the canister found further could have containd the sulfur mustard. Sulfur mustard takes about 2-6 hours to work, which explains why she could have moved the cannister, of course she could have also kept it in the hairspray bottle. Either way, she would have douced herself in the chemical (which explains the burns) and have taken the sleeping pills to not suffer whilst still conceiling her identity.
Ok maybe the sleeping pills were to help her in the fire like she thought she'd be dead before the fire touched her and the reason for fire is to destroy her and remove her from existence totally which coincides with being a spy and suicide I hope this made sense
When they said she smelled like garlic I intimately thought of Fruity Garlic from the toxic lady
Ngl she might have just cut out the labels herself..their itchy
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Potentially, gasoline/petrol and hair spray could make a fire.
Again, it could be a suicide with the possibility that she ran from country to country to make a living or run from something or someone, evident of the makeup, clothes, wigs, etc. Maybe she finally realized that she could run no longer and gave up. Or she's just a spy idk.
I cut the label-thingies from my clothes quite often, I think a majority of my clothes don't have them. They are itchy! Mystery of the clothing solved, the woman was irked about itchy labels. :,D
She looks like she came straight out of star trek
6:55 they could trace him back to h&m better cut off the tag
This is obvious, this lady was some kind of alien or something out of this world trying to fit in. Her people came back with out her knowing hence the hit on the neck. Some kind of out of this world thing to knock you out. They gave her something, she knew she was going to die or didn't fight what the outcome was going to be. She removes what she thinks is valuable, and either their ship burned her as they left or they killed her by their weapon, hence the back not being burned. Someone didn't want the truth to come out so they killed the scientist. That's what I think happened. ✌️
What if she was a prostitute or a slave trafficer. Would explain the wigs, the money, the nights in hotels and the constant changing of room from making sure clients didnt return to the rooms or not seem too susipcious of people coming and going all day and if she was a slave trafficer it would make sense of why all the labels to things were taken off and why her clothes were so nice. Maybe it was a suicide to escape her life or her "pimp" made her do it to cover his tracks or even because she tried running.
i could see her, as a spy, swallowing the pills so the pain wasnt extremely intense, then set herself on fire so she couldnt be identified?
I think she was murdered. They made her swallow the pills and when they thought she was dead, the burned her to prevent her from being identified. They thought she was dead but she was slightly breathing
I think that she was running away from someone or something (makes sense if she's a spy) and tried to commit suicide by taking so many pills. Then she was found by whoever she wanted to get away from, before the pills worked, and they set her on fire to kill her and hide her identity.
Can’t they do a blood test to find out who she is
How about: She knew there was someone that wanted to kill her, who she couldn't escape. So she tried to commit suicide with the pills. However, that person found her before and burned her to death.
What about the idea that she killed herself and just burned herself to get rid of any proof of identity, since it was only on her front and face. Or she tried to destroy her body but due to the fact that bodies don't burn well she just burnt the front. To me it seems like she did it to herself. If she were murdered they probably would have gotten rid of her whole body. Not just burned the front, unless they were also a spy and aiding to hide her identity, I find it hard to think they'd just kill her and leave her body if she were a spy.
I'm gonna guess she was a spy, a foreign -raveling-secret-agent
Remember Gloria Ramirez, The Toxic Lady? She also smelled like garlic
This should be on Netflix
i think maybe she was being chased and in order to not be caught she decided to sucide using the pills but before they work they found her and set her on fire to avoid police to identify her, and if she was indeed a spy it would be logical that she removed the lables in her clothes and the ones in the bottles by pure habit and what they said about why they didn't shoot her it was probably because a gun is too loud but if smeone killed her, why did they leave the body behind? if they wanted her to stay unidentify why not hidding the body unless it was a mesage some gangs often leave bodies as mesages to other gangs as warnings it would make sense that her body was left behind by what they said about no evidence of explotion i asume that the body was left on pupose i mean why would she go to the valley and that is what i think that happend sorry for any ortography mistake english is not my mother language
Maybe she had multiple personalities disorder, that would explain the different passports, wigs, hotel rooms... each of her personalities were very different people who led very different lives
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I gasped when they said Norway
What if bc she’s a spy she commits suicide but doesn’t want her identity to get out bc maybe someone was looking for her and could possibly hurt someone close to her knowing she didn’t lets say carry out a plan
It is really hard to take this seriously when they are constantly making me wheeze to death
I find it funny how everyone just becomes a doctor in the comment section
My main question, why was she in such an obvious place when she was found
I think it was a suicide and she still didn’t wanna be identified after death. If it was a murder, it would’ve been by another spy who knows how to get rid of a body. No one would miss her so why carelessly leave her body lying around? That’s not spy-like. I think more of a suicide because if she’s a spy she still wouldn’t wanna be identified by anyone enough for them to look into her background and find her other spy friends.
Ryan- “The plot will thicken.” Me- “you mean it will thiccen”
it was either suicide or murder but there’s no way it could’ve been an accident bc of the fact that the jewelry and watch were placed on the side
Fruity Garlic???
but if she did commit suicide maybe she didn't want people to find out who the was... maybe thats where the fire comes in .
And how did she get ledged between the rocks
Also, if she were a spy she wouldn’t have had to take 50 pills, she would only have to take THE pill that just kills you. And if she was murdered, the murderers would try to make her death confusing so it would be hard to trace back what actually happened.
She sounds like she might have been a spy or working for a certain group of people
This is just my theory. I'm not stating she was a spy or not. But I do believe she was involved in shady stuff. Someone wanted her dead. She realized someone was on her trail and she dropped the suitcase and bolted. She knew this person wouldn't give up until she was dead, so she took matters into her own hands and took the pills to go out peacefully. But this person found her before she could be affected by the pills and dragged her out and forced her to the 'death valley' at gunpoint where the potential murderer thought her body would not be found. This person apparently really hated her and did not want her to die quickly. So they doused her in petrol. Took her belongings and placed it on the rock, then burned her alive.
Maybe she took 50-70 sleeping pills cause she doesn't want to feel the pain while she was burning and was like "if I'm asleep I won't feel the pain" hahaha lol just kidding
as a cosplayer i feel very called out by her travelling with tons of wigs and hairspray lmao
aha hey there brittany!
5:21 I asked my self a similar question on January of 2018 when somebody decided to go to a particular forest located in Asia. Yeah that says enough......
seems clear to me she was some sort of spy, was murdered by her enemies, and the death and her identity were covered up
Has anyone considered that she was trying to remove her own facial features as if she was trying to hide her identity after death? Also, as for the watch and what not, couldn't that happen after the death of the woman? As if someone decided to investigate and rob her but had a change of heart?
I feel like its brutally clear she is a kgb agent
These unsolved murder cases are fucking creepy as hell
11:40 i'm actually cooking crawfish right now i was like "oh, same"
In case she was murdered, maybe she was forced to swallow pills to make it look like a possible suicide. That could explain the injury on the neck from being forced to take the pills and the burning could've been to avoid leaving as much evidence of her identity as possible. In case it was suicide, maybe she set herself on fire thinking it would leave very little evidence about who she was or at least leave her face unrecognizable, assuming she was a spy and she seemed to always make sure no one would be able to track her down. Consider spies make their job their whole life since they're always moving around, living anonymously and with the risk of someone finding out who they are and getting killed, so it wouldn't be that crazy to think that something might have gone wrong, she was attacked or something (hence the injury on the neck) and she found herself having to do this. Maybe last minute she realized the pills weren't convenient or enough, she couldn't leave any evidence about who she was because of whatever was going on with the case she was working on. I don't know.
I think that she was definitely a spy, she knew someone was on her trail and took the pills as a suicide so they couldn't get information and then they found her and then was murdered by being set on fire. The jewelry on the rocks and the bruise makes no sense to me for this one. Or another would be that she was forced to swallow the pills to kill her, explaining the bruise and then they assumed she would be dead by the time she got to the site and then they burned her to caver their tracks. They probably left before someone came to find them
Lovely B-roll of people on a hike that is clearly in California, not Norway lol
Also if y'all think LA people are weird about hiking, you won't even believe Norwegians
One of my ridiculous theories not mentioned: she had someone help her. Maybe she knew someone was onto her or after her, so she and her partner find a remote area where she will swallow the pills. She falls asleep, and that's her partner's signal to start the fire to obscure her identity. Whether the partner believed she was dead or simply unconscious is up for debate. Regardless, the partner leaves after starting the fire, possibly unwilling to ensure the fire completely disfigured or destroyed her. Perhaps this partner meant to further hide the body, but was unable to. This is discredited to some extent by the fact that her bags were not also hidden by the partner. However, this could be explained by the partner not wanting to compromise their identity. Conversely, she attempted to kill herself before the person after her had the chance, but the person found her and took her to a different location to finish the job.
I Think she took the pills to Hope to be almost gone and then she tried to burn herself to not be found
Ryan sometimes looks at Shane like he's in love
Is it me or does this case sound a lot like the movie "Atomic Blonde "?Just sayin .
"a pair of celebrity boots" shows a picture of wellies
24:18, Ryan, Northern European people in general are super tall. (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark...) :) I know this because I am a Portuguese woman living in Finland. ;)
I read about it when i looked up "Norwegian Unsolved" cause i wanted to know if there was anything mysterious that happened here in my home countrey. I decided to send the link on their Facebook thinking they hadn't covered that story. Turns out they did
Since she was trying to stay ghost, she could've tried to burn her own body to secure her identity and the identity of her allies etc.
This could be all plotted
I think they was looking at her jewelry because they think it has somekind of codes in her jewelry or some importance on it
Why do I deadass think she's like a hunter from supernatural
What if the Isdal woman was under witness protection? Or was a "secret keeper" for a person under witness protection?
“Hello I’m banjo McClintock “ I was dyeing
WHY IS IT ALWAYS GARLIC!!! Everyone's always like, " yeah man, I smelt garlic". Is a garlic odor some prerequisite for having an unsolvable mystery or something? Are the police investing a case and as soon as some witness says they smelled garlic the case becomes a full blown mystery. From now on if a smell garlic at an odd time I'm just going to leave before all the really weird crap starts to happen.
gUYS she definitely was an alien?????? passing as a woman????
Love me a good spy story
Maybe we can add some fruit to that garlic to make some “FRUITY GARLIC”
*feburararuy* nice try ryan
I came from BBC ‘s podcast Death in Ice Valley. Didn’t know that buzzfeed had done a video on it.
Confirmed murder because how the hell did she bring 50 pills without anything to store it and a gas can so far
She was forced to do the pills and someone tried to burn her aferwards which went wrong and so they abanded the place.
what if there were fingerprints on the petrol tank? and even if she was a spy, setting herself on fire would make her unidentifiable since it would kind of burn off all her features.
Maybe she knew someone was trying to kill her so she decided to do it herself because she knew it would be less painful. Then they find her and light her up.
This feels like some kinda Supernatural, spinoff.
Hey guys just a theory. What if she took the pills, and another person found her, and burned her. If it was a spy job, I believe that she did her and she was no longer needed and she knew "they" would catch up to her so she took the pills but when the assassin came to kill her she was half way gone so he/she took her to Death Valley, pushed her down and burned her to hide evidence that can link back to him/her. That's just my thought.
God, that pronunciation of GIS-LE is really pissing me off. Giselle? REALLY RYAN?
Couldn’t she have been a con artist as well? She probably would have been sloppier than a professional spy, so more likely to get murdered by one of her victims.
SHE WAS RUNNING FROM SOMEONE, PERSONALITY CHANGES, THE WIGS ,THE PASSPORTS, PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING HAVE THOSE
For me there are 2 reasons why she took pills. 1) This was her primary way to kill herself. She just set herself on fire to erase her identity. 2) She drank the pills to probably numb the pain when she sets herself on fire (win-win = cause of death and erases identity)
guys please do Suzy Lamplugh
Hey Ryan and Shane, Saw this article today and I thought I'd share: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39978131
Crazy baseless conspiracy theory: it was a suicide and the fire was to conceal her identity so her spy status would not be uncovered. She may have thought that, having taken the pills, she wouldn't feel the pain from the fire as strongly.
ok my theory is that she might have been out there in the dead valley searching for something, it might have been a rainy day, because if she had fallen she could have broken her back cause the fall, the hair spray must have been used to not get identified if she got to another place, that was not the caise, that rainy day it might have happend that she got struck by a lighting cause the electricity was actracted by the hair spray, she might got caught on fire by the lighting but she might have survived that, she might got her jewerly of because it was metall and could have atracted the lighting, because lighting survivors get marks the mark have gotten of by the time she was found, the pills she might had swallowed them so if she was found she would have been dead by the time. so that is my theory
I have to say - as a Norwegian - you guys did a great job at pronouncing the city names! Norwegian is difficult, and I always cringe sooo hard when watching foreign videos on this case, but you did great. Also, nice touch to include norwegian inn the guestbook. (The names of the people, though (Gisle, haha), weeeeeeell that was cringe.)
What if she tried swallowing all those pills to knock her out so she didn't have to feel the firing burning her. And that she lit the fire as a means of erasing her identity?
8:58 was when I finally understood. She was a vampire. Just a sad vampire who wanted to die.
shane making jokes and ryan wheezing is everything
maybe she want to commit suicide but didn't want her identity found, so she took the pills so the burning would be less painful (so she would need to be awake while burning, but would eventually fall asleep, die, and have her identity protected)
the fire was probably to make the body unidentifiable
I'm guessing she might have tried to commit suicide by sleeping pills to get away from a murderer if they were to say looking for something from her but she didn't die soon enough and the murderer could've gotten what they wanted and then burnt her body alive not knowing she swallowed the pills
maybe she was being followed by other spies and she tried to commit sucide by taking the pills and then the spies got behind her hit on her neck burned her not knowing she already is dying.
What if she killed another person to fake her death, that would explain the burning since it would remove finger prints etc
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Where might I procure a blonde wig like that?
Hehe Flemish
Some people's bo smells like garlic. That's probably why it took him so long, because the bo garlic smelled strange then the regular garlic. Indicating she hasn't been hygienic. Take what you want from that
I literally live 15 minutes away from that hiking trail
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I feel like this woman was involved in bad things, maybe a hitwoman. She was probably compromised and so she decided she needed to kill herself to stay secret and to keep her past jobs unknown. She probably took all the pills to knock herself out, and lit herself on fire right before she went under to hide her identity.
if she was a spy she would erase any type of title there was to hide her identity and had wigs as disgises in her bags. She probably was always on the move to make sure no one would find and catch her. She might have committed suicide because she found out some one knew who she was or knew someone wanted her dead, so she desperately took as many sleeping pills as she could then lyed down on her back and set a fire around her, taking the sleeping pills to not feel the pain. She might have burned herself because she didn't want anyone finding out who she was and the jewlery was taken off before her death and she placed it next to her and erased the labels from the bottles to not have anything for the police to trace back to
She probably took the sleeping pills to not feel the pain while she was burning it it were a suicide but if it wasn't the killer might have forcibly drugged her to make her fall asleep then took all jewlery off of her then lit a fire and layed her down, then took her and put her on the hiking trail to hide any evidence with her jewelry next to her
It was Vampires. She was involved, maybe a hunter of said vampires. That would explain the garlic smell, her moving around a lot and the wigs. My theory is she got bit and tried to kill herself before she turned with the pills, but it was too late and she burnt up in the sun. The bruise on her neck is where she got bit. Case closed. Your welcome.
Whether she was murdered or it was suicide, I think the fire was so she could’nt be identified. All labels were removed, probably by her-she obviously didn’t want anyone to know who she was. If she was going to commit suicide, she probably took the sleeping pills then set herself on fire, hoping the sleeping pills would cause her death to be quicker and less painful. That’s also why she took so many pills, to insure that she would die quickly and effectively. Maybe she was in Death Valley because she thought animals would come and tear her apart after her death or something.
Creative I’m not sure if these two pieces of evidence are true but I heard she was seen at a motel next to two navy people but didn’t speak to them and apparently a man saw a women who matches her look and two men following her and said she looked very distressed. The man said he saw this happen within kilometres of where the body was found. I’m not sure if it’s been confirmed or whether just rumours though.
19:00 "sometimes you gotta play by the rules," tagline for the movie
Something interesting too note the "Somerton man" all his clothes labels were snipped off as well. Both this woman and the somerton man identities are unknown with mysterious circumstances and BOTH of their clothes labels were snipped off. Not saying they are directly correlated that would be absurd but I find it very coincidental that both were found in very odd enviroments with strange deaths no identity with no labels and in this womans case fake identities. Is it possible that both the somerton man and this woman were spies and that removing of the labels is a procedure that was done by agents not too be identified in any possible way? In my opinion its a possibility and an intriguing coincidence that the somerton man and this woman have some similarities even if sort of minor.
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Maybe she knew she was going to be caught( her being a spy) so like most people in stories, won’t let their enemy kill them, so they kill themselves. Or for her she tried to. Maybe she was on the run and she got caught that is where the gas comes in and the burns. Maybe her enemy burned her. You don’t see very many suicidal burnings
Shane says "You have a young family ?" Made me die of laughter then come back
is death valley the same place charles manson was in ?
What are the chances that she knew her cover as a spy was blown and they were coming and she took a ton of pills hoping to fall asleep but they killed her before they took affect?
She probably was a spy who knew someone was after her and wanting her information so she decided to kill herself but the whoever was after her knew this and decided to burn her.
No one thinking that she could possibly be a criminal or something? Like an off the grid no one knows me criminal? The badass kind?
I kind of wonder if it could be a combo of murder and also suicide. Like maybe she took the pills because she knew what was coming and hoped she would be dead so she wouldn't have to like... be fully present for her burning alive ordeal. Though it seems like maybe she was unsuccessful if that were the case since the pills hadn't absorbed, yet. It's sad, though, to think someone would live a life like this... presumably without connection to anyone else to the point that people don't even know who you are when you die.
Sorry... Death Valley Fall Out Boy
Another possibly theory: she was being chased after someone or thought someone was tracking her down, so she set her stuff down away from her body. She swallowed the pills to have a “sleeping death” and burned herself alive with a match so therefore no one would know who she was. The fire obviously burned her face, so you couldn’t tell who she was.
I think it was Suicide. Think about it counter intuitively. If you would want your death as a spy to be unknown I would want it to be illogical. Any one with me?
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This could be a suicide as the fire could be so she couldn’t be identified and the pills so she is asleep when she dies - she could have taken off and placed all things including the petrol. She could have poured that over her before. The death is painful but if she is a spy this may be so she can remain unidentified as the alias show.
my theory is that she's either schizophrenic, which could explain all the fake identities, she was scared of governments and just crazy, and her insanity drove her to commit suicide, or, she was a spy and killed herself to either avoid being caught by the enemy, or by her superiors, maybe she messed up in a mission and decided to meet her maker instead of her boss the reason for the burning of herself is to mask her identity, she took the pills to fall asleep, and possibly hope it would numb the pain, then set herself on fire, to again, mask her identity, and if this is the case, shes either crazy and didnt want "big brother" to find out she was, or she was running from the enemy and didnt want them to figure out who she worked for, so she burns her face to stop that, or on another note, she burned herself so the people who HIRED her couldnt figure out who this charred body was because they knew her real identity and possibly her family, so she burned herself to spare her family from getting punished for her mess up on a mission basically, she burned herself to mask her identity, whether that was to hide from the enemy, her bosses, or some figment of her schizophrenic imagination, we probably wont ever know
She might have been burnt on the front and not the back because a blowtorch was used? Just maybe
Ya'll gotta admit she was one heck of an agent,if she was
I was born in the same hospital that her teeth was found, 33 years after she was buried, and on the same date.
they found Carmen Sandiago
Regardless of who she was or how she died, they seem really insensitive regarding the cause of her death. Clearly they think it's a topic for a bit of jovial lighthearted banter, but they need to be aware how suicide or murder may affect others.
So... What was the family -who found the Isdal woman- doing at Death Valley?...
I think she was being stalked and they murdered this woman.
maybe she set herself on fire because she wanted to be unidentifiable.
If someone was after her she probably took the pills hoping to die before she got caught.
Thinking about this case remind me of james bond movies. Probably she suicide by taking pills and other agents (friend of her) burning her to cover her identity but wants to let her family knows that she is dead by removing and place the jewellery nearby. Probably due to her identity nobody going to claim her body.
Do the officers check the jewellery shop??
A apple a day keeps the doctor away. A garlic a day keeps the people away
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This is just m but I'm thinking she WAS trying to commit suicide by the looks of it but someone who wants her dead found her and gave her a far more fitting execution in a remote place where they are also trying to remove her identity wasn't successful with it???
Maybe she has multiple personalities that’s why she changes and wears different things
So I definitely believe she was a spy and was murdered. Perhaps she new someone was on to her/ following her trail so she took the sleeping pills hoping that she'd die before the enemy found her but the culprit caught her and just flame threw her in the face in an attempt to kill her or just rid her identity.
She takes the pills, and sets herself on fire to hopefully keep herself unidentifiable.
Died of sunburn. I wonder how likely that could be
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She was forced to swallow the pills. So it could throw police off. The reason the front was burned was so she was unrecognizable. She was absolutely a spy. I feel very aweful how she passed. However someone did not want her real identity discovered it's more than obvious. Once you are in that type of business your identity is erased. Due too family or friends or you being discovered. Whether she was forced into it or by choice.
is she a vampire? :o
What about both? She was forced to take the pills, but the murders were like, "This is taking too long." and doosed infire by using the hairspray as flamethrower. The petrol was always there.
That handwriting was so satisfying
maybe hes so good at espionage that he isn't really shane
They cut the tags off if the victims have wrote their names on them
it was a suicide! her belongings left behind, her jelwery not being taken... she killed herself and didn't want to be recognized probably bc of the spying thing
Cyanide pills suffocate you so they take at least 10 minutes to kill you and is extremely painful .Historically people would bit down on one and then shoot themselves in the head. Cyanide pills are usually a precaution so if the bullet doesn't kill them the cyanide will. So yeah if anyone was wondering.
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I just abso-fuckin-lutely love all things espionage. Great stuff, BFU. Isdal woman with the stank mouth is a hell of a case.
This show is awesome
Wait she had passports right .... so wouldn’t the like have here photos in it ?
could she have known she was going to get killed off? she knew being killed off would involve destroying her face, identity. to prevent suffering so much she downed loads of sleeping pills to hopefully fall into a stupor, before the time came? who knows, but her identity was clearly being hidden
the illustration and shooting of this is super cool but it lowkey makes it look like an indie summer film
she also could've just been delusional and thought she was a vampire or something, hence eating lots of garlic and trying to burn herself
its very possible she could've been a paranoid schizophrenic, because no weapons were found on her person or in her belongings its unlikely she was a spy especially considering the international work she would be doing as a spy was dangerous. her "spy" like habits like cutting off tags, wigs, & identities could just be untreated, snowballing paranoia and delusions.
It's more obvious then her be a spy. She was in a bad relationship and that's where the bruise came from. The hotel moving, name changed and hair alternations are for her safety against her abusive other. She wanted to kill herself so she layed the jewelry out and swallowed the pills. Her abuser found her and burnt her alive before the pills could kill her.
or she was running from someone. set herself on fire to prevent them from finding out she died.
Sounds like she was a spy or some sort of agent....
why didn’t they use her finger prints to identify her?
This couldn’t be suicide. No one would go through that much trouble to kill themselves.
"Uhh... hotel room... me" -Shane Madej, 2018
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Must be a suicide.They burned her to make sure her identity will not be known.I bet she is a spy working with a government or secret services
I love how they say she was wearing fancy boots but they used rain boots
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she a spy!
Oh my god. Read the lyrics to Death Valley by Fall Out Boy while thinking about the details of this case. The music video is even set in hell. Lyrics: I wanna see your animal side Let it all out I wanna see the dirt Under your skin I need your broken promises I want the guts and glory baby yeah, baby yeah This town is wasted and alone But we are alive Here in death valley But don’t take love off the table yet 'Cause tonight it’s just fire alarms and losing you We love a lot So we only lose a little But we are alive, we are alive, we are alive I wanna see your animal side Let it all out Oh there you go, undress to impress You can wear the crown but you’re no princess, yeah yeah yeah So put the “D” in dirt now baby, baby Let’s get you wasted and alone 'Cause we are alive Here in death valley But don’t take love off the table yet 'Cause tonight it’s just fire alarms and losing you We love a lot So we only lose a little But we are alive, we are alive, we are alive We’re gonna die It’s just a matter of time Hard times come Good times go I’m either gone in an instant Or here til the bitter end I never know What I’ve got will make you feel more alive I’ll be your favourite drug I will get you high I will get you high 'Cause we are alive Here in Death Valley But don’t take love off the table yet 'Cause tonight it’s just fire alarms and losing you We love a lot So we only lose a little But we are alive, we are alive, we are alive
I like that they placed her in a coffin in the hopes of someone will still claim her
She was a spy. Failed in a mission. Got killed by other agent in order to hide her failure and erase the tracks. She was forced to take the pills to made this looked like as an suicide.
so she was a spy, got into some spy trouble- very deep spy trouble. the only way out or to avoid capture and horrible death/torture was to die. she had a confederate, who also knew the type of trouble she was in. promised her that once she was dead they would burn the body. no identifcation = spy life, hence why the face is so burnt in relation to other parts. face used for identification bottles= used to carry pills. she swallowed pills and begin to fall asleep. Confederate believed she was fully dead after she swallowed pills. began to splash petrol on her, and set fire using a match. no match box or cause of fire found at scene as its only one match, and confederate then took match box with them. carbon monoxide found in lungs as she was still alive when they set her on fire, eventually died. made it look like suicide by placing her jewellery on the rock before taking pills
Or she wasn't an agent at all. She could have delusions and thought she was being followed, it would explain her erratic behavior, and she'd set herself on fire if the sleeping pills messed with her thought process. She sounds like she might have had some kind of psychosis, then took her own life in a way that would avoid her being recognized.
What if she swallowed pills because someone was trying to get secret information from her and was threatening to tortue or kill her, but they either didnt know or did know she took them, but killed her by burning her alive before the pills took effect.
I think she needed to die, be it because she was endangered or because she knew something would happen, so she wanted to set herself on fire so she couldn't be identified, and took so many sleeping pills before hand because she wanted to numb the pain. To explain the bruise, it could have been from a previous injury or accident, and she could have had an accomplice or someone to help her out which would explain the bottle of gas in the woods. Love what you guys do!
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Going off the spy idea, what if she was being chased and took the pills to commit suicide/ or make it look like she died, but the people chasing her found her before she could sleep and burned her alive.
50-70 pills? Most times taking 7 pills would kill you.
what if she was a spy who committed suicide, and the agency she worked for burned her so that no one would discover her identity and therefore discover who they were?
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either this woman had multiple personalities, was running/hiding from someone, or was just having fun
If the labels on the makeup were removed, were they sure it was actually makeup?
Maybe the pills were a suicide attempt and the fire was the work of someone else. Maybe she was running from someone.
I think she committed suicide because we think she was a spy meaning that she could have done it because her identity could of been blown or someone ( maybe the opposition) found her and tried to kill her. Her identiy was, as we know, ruined meaning that no one could identify her or she didnt want anyone to identify her.
I have a theory, remember that petrol? Yeah possibly she could have consumed the sleeping pills, then drank the petrol and she put it in the site. She then fell and the petrol mixed with her stomach acid, setting herself on fire. Then Sleeping pills could have been to ease the pain. Then, she would not have woken up.
As a Sherlock fan I'm obsessed with theese
This death looks like the murder of a german hacker who worked for the KGB during the cold war
The little cutscenes of the woman standing in the distance is actually fucking creepy
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Garlic? Bruised neck? Vampire obviously
Pretty sure she wanted to commit suicide and the only reason she was burned is because she didn’t want people to recognize her and her plan ” I THINK” actually worked that is my theory and she took off her jewelry so the detective or police wouldn’t go to that Store because very fancy stores or any store actually keep track of things that are bought in the file of like computer or typewriters lol
Not understanding the sixty odd pills and not be digested. I've tried to commit suicide by taking pills and washing it down with Vodka. The effects are experienced immediatly and hiking tough hiking area hell no.
I freaked out a little when they said my name “Giselle” dbjsbd
The itopses testing saying she was from the German/France border but lived in North America . Canada or western states? She had more evidence of living/traveling in places like Norway. Their is something troubling about this girl, she was acting sketchy as hell. Their is a french population in Canada and a German presence like most areas of the United States spread throughout. Since she used a lot of alias I don't think she wanted her true identity known, for what reasons I don't know. But like Lori Ruff and Kyle Stevik something stuffed out her will to live to live it t is called depression and i live with it and thank god for prozac.
Nurse here! Unfortunately burning human flesh has a VERY distinctive scent that is no where near as pleasant as bbq. It’s one of those smells where if you’ve smelled it once you’ll never forget it and you could easily recognize it for the rest of your life. It’s not enjoyable.
tbh, Shane would fit in as a spy in northern europe. 6 ft is a common height for men here
She sounds a lot like a con woman from one of the Sidney Sheldon’s book.
From the perspective of someone who has been tempted by suicide for most of her life, I can say that there's an element of not wanting people to have to deal with your aftermath. Like, I wouldn't want someone to have to find my gross body after I've rotten for a while, so taking the sleeping pills and then lighting myself on fire so I wouldn't be identifiable makes sense. Though tbh, I would at least leave a letter saying that I'm tossing myself in a way that's not worth looking for, so people don't waste tons of their own time because of me, lol.
If she didn’t have any records different names and took of everything off her clothing, and her face was burned so it would make sense that she didn’t want to her identity to be found so boom that’s why she burned it
I feel as though setting herself on fire could make perfect sense if she wanted to take measures that her body was not identified. Or, by extension, if she was murdered, they did not want her identified. But I, personally, think the suicide theory is the most solid. She took all the pills to ensure she would die, and then maybe laid down in the petrol or just splashed it over her front to try to burn off her face/burn her body beyond recognition. The strange location was maybe chosen because she was being perused out there. If you're going to just kill yourself in such a remote location, where you think you won't be found, it might be weird to take those extra steps to disfigure your body. She was chased out there and then did everything she could to make sure her identity was not traceable after she had died. She was cornered. That's my best theory.
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i don't know how anybody could call it an accident. you don't just accidentally swallow that many pills
7:08 She got eccczzzema
She was running from something or someone
Ah yes the return of Ricky Goldsworth
wait just thought about this and im surprised no one else has mentioned it. so what if she was a spy and she realised that someone was on her trail and wanted her dead (maybe the people she was working with or some kind of enemy) so she decided to take matters into her own hands. she found a woman close to her age/height/weight (which might not be important to the case but would matter to the people who wanted her dead), lead her to that place, forced her to take the pills and then set her on fire. she made it look like a suicide and planted some of her belongings into the crime scene to make it look like a suicide and job's done. the fire was intentional because she wanted to prevent that woman ever being identified. so the people who were after her would be able to recognise some of the things from these suitcases and therefore consider her dead and she would be able to move on with her life, probably change her identity again and move somewhere far away. idk that's just my theory maybe I watch too many tv shows
Maybe the burns could be a result of getting hit by a lightning bolt after she committed suicide?
I think it was suicide, she could've easily covered herself in petrol, took all those pills and lit a match or cigarette and just lay down holding it up so when she slowly started to pass out the match or cigarette would fall burning her body, which would cause her to go unidentified and have no one be able to correctly piece it together
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Maybe she nwver had a true identity, she could have been raise in an orphanage.
I'm way late and just revisiting old episodes, but what if she was a high profile/wealthy person who was in a witness protection program? She was being sought out to be killed because of what her high hierarchical family did to some one or some organization, and the protection program was trying to get her out of the country or transport her to a safe place. They gave her instructions and the means and to move from place to place without being found out. This could be a good reason as to why she didn't have a good grasp on the English language. She maybe wasn't a spy, but someone in a witness protection program who finally got caught and murdered by whoever was after her.
I'm late as hell to the party but the dna test is what said she was European or Euro-American. The isotope test gave the area on the border.
I think if she was a spy, the burning would make sense - she might’ve been attacked by an enemy spy, which explains the bruising on her neck, in order to save her identity and whatever information she may have had, which would then lead her to commit suicide and her paranoia from an attack would lead to her to take many. Finally the burning, in order to keep her identity secret - the scars prevented her from being identified.
What if she had been compromised and had to take the pills to avoid torture which obviously the other party would do to get the info she would have had. But the other party just burnt her with a flamethrower, which does the job of hiding her identity and killing her as well without leaving any signs.
I read somewhere that cyanide was placed in a glass pill so that when spies bit on them they'd pierce the skin/gum and the cyanide would get into the blood stream faster. Around 15 secs... so maybe not as fast as we see in the movies.
Apparently the smell of a burnt/burning body is one of the most horrendous smells that you'll never forget.
sorry but is nobody wondering if she’s a sex worker? thus explaining the neck bruise, various identities, money, moving rooms a lot, and unstable mindset? ( maybe from how she was treated )
Yes, burning flesh smells like barbecue. Preserved flesh smells like beef jerky (which is a reason I can't eat it anymore). I went to an anatomical exhibit for a physiology class, and the whole exhibition area smelled like cooking meat. I was vegan for two weeks.
If she was held hostage she probably tried to kill herself by eating the pills so she wouldn't have to burn to death
I like how all the things were written in norwegian. Noice. And this makes me think about if I should live in Norway, lol.
I can't get over the fact that the photos of "Death Valley, Norway" are obviously from Southern California.
I would just like to say that until the 80's or 90's garlic was not common in the norwiagan kitchen.
i definitely didn’t go immediately to spy, i thought perhaps she was a victim of domestic abuse that felt she had no other option but to run
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Lots of interesting theories so I’ll throw mine in about the cause of the fire. She was in a desert with glass bottles. Glass is known for starting forests fires in sunny dry places so if she was doused in petrol, it could have ignited it if it was angled correctly. Suicide or murder, couldn’t say as there are too many questions without answers.
Maybe she was a spy who committed suicide and had someone (maybe a colleague) burn her after death so she wouldn't be identified
is it just me or the woman reinacting is kinda creepy
There couldve been people going after her to kill her so she decided to commit suicide with those pills but then they got to her and burned her.
I mean if tags on my shirt are itchy, I’m gonna cut them off
I think she committed suicide and clearly she didn't want to be identified as shown in her ripping off all the labels on everything she owned so she set herself on fire to cover up her own identity she probably swallowed all the pills so that she would be doped up and she wouldn't feel the fire as much as if she was sober
I think she had a gas fire going in the area she was in and took the pills, she fell forward in the fire and then fell back in response falling off the cliff and died or whatever
Maybe she was a Trans women? The 1970s weren't the most accepting time and neither was/is America. This would explain the wigs and why she may have had enemies.
i feel like she was an assassin or something
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the isotope test says french or german. the dna test included the usa because the usa has a lot of people of german heritage, but if the isotope test is reliable you can disregard the usa.
maybe her clothing tags just made her itchy, maybe she just had an anxious habit of taking labels off things, that doesn't seem weird. or maybe she wrote her name on her clothes for dry cleaning.
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Aren't there religions that believe in self immolation? Fire is a pure form of cleansing or perhaps maybe she felt she deserved that sort of hell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
maybe she was running from someone/ something. it makes sense with all her wigs , passports and names. and maybe at the end they got her.
what about her luggage, why were the bags found in a train station ( a very public place)?
This is just a suggest and I know this video was made a while back but still here. Okay maybe she knew she was being hunt down and maybe that’s why she had different identities and passports. So she had enough hiding away and tried to do suicide. So she might of have done the sleeping pills but she saw her the person hunting her down and she hide but somebody might have help out by being behind her and poor the can on her. But idk
Did anyone consider that there were some moles in the police. I mean, everyone saying its a suicide when they just claimed murder. The "throwing away" of the teeth. The one interview or dealing with the Russians. And I feel like they could've done WAY more. With my back round of watching season 1 of Daredevil, I can conclude that everyone associated with this crime had been paid off... or threatened.
Shane needs to stop obsessing with the moustache
Maybe she burned herself to make herself harder to identify
Man, Shane is killing the game in this episode. I couldn't stop laughing!
Garlic was not a common “spice” in Norway until the 90`s. It was not popular to use in many dishes, and many had not tasted garlic in the 70`s. I can assume that this is the reason the man in Stavanger did not know what garlic was when I smelled it.
BTW, the garlic could be a trick for pushing away of pick-upers. I think that guys here will understand me. Imagine, a pretty woman wisits a small town, where she can look like a fashion model (an elegant city lady in a village) - very desired subject for local Casanovas. She has to be perceptible and that smell cant help her to keep a distance. If someone could try to to pick her up, he would rememder her later, when the police would interview him. And this information could help to know about her more. But it wasn't in her spy plans, I guess. She didn't want too much attention to herself. I understand that it can be silly, but every version has its own right to exist ;)
Maybe she was being followed by the mob or something then when she was ready to commit suicide she was out in the woods hanging out by a fire and they found her before she actually died and attempted to kill her themselves
if it was an accident that doesn’t explain the sleeping pills
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The Flemish language is an interesting factor, everyone in Belgium can speak French, so that she is able to pull off Flemish is pretty specific.
Every account I have read included the observation that, yes, her clothes were fancy. I get that BuzzFeed isn't about actual research, but seriously...why do a video if you aren't even using the research others have done?
The way knut was pronounced made my day
ok so, she takes few sleeping pills to sleep, the killer comes in, shoves the rest down her throat, drags her to the trail and burns her? maybe?
Labels on clothes used to carry a little more meaning back then, in the days before big chains like H&M, C&A, etc. If you had tailormade clothing, you could go to the tailor and he could compare the size of the clothes with their books.
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The Romanov family please
Garlic was not a common “spice” in Norway until the 90`s. It was not popular to use in many dishes, and many had not tasted garlic in the 70`s. I can assume that this is the reason the man in Stavanger did not know what garlic was when he smelled it.
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The path is and was well known. But she was found about 50 yds away from the path, a pretty steep climb that and adult hiker wouldn't very likely bother to do. A curious twelve year old with lots of energy and life, on the other hand..... The truth is that there were practically no reason to walk where she was found. If that little girl hadn't done that little off piste climb, who knows how long IW would have stayed there undiscovered by other than hungry animals eager to get a meal. I know the place, I grew up close by, so I'm not making this up.
"breadsticks, boots, burning myself alive" bears, beets, and battlestar galactica is quaking
She was a spy who was compromised and she knew whoever was hunting her down would interrogate and torture her to gain info. Better to end her own life less painfully and conceal her identity at the same time.....
I belive shes a spy and then a hitman or just the person who wanted her dead forced her to eat the pills it didn't work so he tried to knock her out hitting her in the neck than brought her there and lit her in flames.
What if her spy agency or whatever burned her to hide her identity? So she commited suicide because she was in danger. And then her agency covered the whole thing up.
Maybe she just wanted to disappear. A wealthy women doing one last hurrah before cleaning up traces of herself, and setting herself on fire. Taking the pills to try and minimize the pain of being burned to death then right before she passed out setting herself on fire. Wanting to make sure she died instead of taking the slim risk of being found, or waking up before the pills could kill her/if they for some reason didn't end up being enough. That and the fire would help keep her from being identified if she really did want to vanish.
I think this woman is indeed a spy and tried to commit suicide by consuming those pills when she realized she was being followed, but before the pills could even be absorbed I think around the time she was trying to lose her pursuers she was confronted by them and then she ran and ended up being in that "death valley" where the information needed was extracted from her then she was killed while she was more likely feeling drowsy and dropped on the floor where she was soaked with petrol, that would explain why only the front was burned. (BTW it's my cousins theory not mine so I shared it for her so that she would see that her theory is not right and mine is hehhehe sorry for my bad English)
the front of her was burned by someone to hid her face so that it’s beyond recognition, and they made her swallow pills to disguise it as a suicide
Maybe she was being searched for as she was a spy. Knowing she would be killed she took the pills was then found burnt and thrown over the cliff.
Shes a spy who swallowed the pills because she was about to be captured by opposition and wanted to stop them from torturing her for info. Once they had her and she killed over on them, they dumped the body and set it on fire. Case closed.
fenella lorch? More like... FENELLA TORCH AMIRIGHT EVERYBODY?
Okay but did anyone try to sample the watch and jewelry beside her for dna?
Aweful lot of tall shaming on this show.
Spys die of stupidity just like normal people.
woman wants to keep vital information secret, she swallows the pills. she's discovered before the pills kick in, interrogated, and then burnt alive because she won't cooperate and they want her to die painfully rather than peacefully
Maybe she used the petrol to start a bonfire, set it aside to avoid an explosion but forgot about the hairspray.
My theory: She was a spy, maybe found out some things she wasn’t suppose to know. In order to throw everyone off at every angel, have she swallow all these pills someway, and burn her in an attempt to either destroy and evidence or to also throw people off
It is 12:03 but i keep telling myself just 1 more
Maybe she wasn’t a spy and was being stalked by someone powerful and wealthy enough to follow her literally everywhere
Okay I am very scared because that's sketch looks exactly like me but with a slightly different nose
This is mu favourite Episode. Not only because I am from Norway, but I have an Aunt living in Bergen and I also really like crime history and all that jazz.
I usually take all of the labels off my cosmetics and shampoo and stuff... ?
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Ok hear me out... So..Maybe she was a spy but dint want to be so killed her self maybe she needed to do something but dint want to and got to go around so she confuses the people that are following her to see if she is doing to mission ok maybe they can go in cameras in the town and fallow her so see what is she doing this is what a think and a dont know does it make sense,does it? Well love you guys byeeeeeeeeeeeeee °^° Or maybe she had a friend there and he dint like her so he or she idk killed her and maybe she played him or her to do that.......hm........ AND maybe she wanted to die beautiful or she was just a modern girl so she just looks like that.....ok am going now a think am a little boring to you but thats what a dooo byee again see you in the next one °^° =°-°= meow Ok ok now am going
Try these two theories and let me know: 1. She was a spy. Since she was cutting tags and trying anything she could to not be identified (potentially or hypothetically speaking), she ingested the pills and burned herself to try to cover her entire existence given... maybe some "anti spies" or counter intelligence was tracking her down, she knew she couldn't escape, so she burned herself to make her unidentifiable. or MORE LIKELY 2. That last part doesn't make as much sense and wouldn't explain the watch, jewelry, etc set aside (in all fairness, we are talking spy stuff but still), and she was a spy, and given perhaps counter intelligence was on her tail perhaps, she feared what so and so might do, so she drugged herself with sleeping pills and went to that remote place, and when they arrived, she was already gone, so to cover up any sign that the country they were working for had any involvement- they burned her to try to make her unidentifiable AND cut the tags, rubbed labels (serial numbers or a barcode or whatever they could trace it to). In regards to the watch, jewelry, etc put aside- no one can know who ACTUALLY did that. In the case with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in Columbine- a picture of the two showed jewelry, watches, etc put aside, and the explanation for that was that it was the bomb squad or police who removed it from their body. Let me know
maybe her death was faked to shake off ppl. that were trying to kill her.
I'm gonna suggest that she was a drug mule. Maybe she was trying to get out or something. Just an idea...
I think she was running away from someone. Like the wigs and passports would make sense of that. She was changing hotel every week. She didn’t want to be found. Maybe on drugs or something for her to kill herself like that.
Also speaking of wigs, y’all are in LA and had the nerve to use those shiny three dollar party city wigs. How rude
She had wigs, different identities, switched hotels often. You just described any gay visiting West Hollywood during dragcon season.
What if it was both a suicide and a murder, so let’s say she messed with the wrong person (being a spy) and than she swallowed sleeping pills in the hopes of dying, than she went on a hike to wait for them to take effect, she got tired and sat down between the rocks to rest for a little and set her jewelry down, and the murderer found her snuck up on her poured petrol on her and waited till she was on fire so they could leave
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i personnaly think she was a spy but someone treatend her. that's why she fled europe and came to America. That person than folllowed her, making her scared for her life. So she comitted suicide. and because she was a spy she would have wanted her body to completely dissapear or at least be unrecognizable. so noone sould find out shat she'd been really up to all this time hence the fire! i also think she took the pills just to be sure. the bruise may be inflicted by the person she was hiding from. the pressure of this consant fear got too much she maybe just wanted to end it herself instead of waiting for the chaser to do much worse to her! idk but i think this is way more likely than an actual murder cause why would this person let her swallow 50 pills, and if it was under gunpoint why wouldn't he just shoot her and than burn her to dispose of the body that is just my opinion GReeting from belgium xox
so funny that when they said asia russia and the baltic states turned red
Could be a murder, and they gave her a choice. Burn alive or take the pills and maybe have a more peaceful death?
Wow I was not expecting you to talk about this case. Im from Bergen ^^ I'm just laughing about the desert scenery backgrounds youve used for this one. Bergen is known as one of the rainiest places in Norway, and the name Isdalen literally means "Ice valley".
Warehouse 13?
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Wait.. do fingerprints survive in a fire? Or was it because she had her hands in a fist it protected the fingerprints?
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what if she was a vampire
man i thought i was original then i went through the comments
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what if she did swallow the pills on her own will, got unconscious but not dead, like a coma or something.. Then someone found her dead at the hotel or the desert idk where she swallowed the pills. They thought she was dead since they found a pill bottle next to her. Then they burned the body instead of calling the authorities, hence the gas tank being a distance from the crime scene. I think she did kill herself, but someone burned the body.
I think she was a Mossad agent.
Maybe she did commit suicide but she didn’t want people to be able to identify her because it would be detrimental to her spy mission so she took the pills to hopefully stop the pain of the flames
The bruise on her neck tho
Time travelers killing
It was the family
She took the pills bcs she wanted to commit suicide but an enemy found her and blew her up in flames and fell of the cliff
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I feel like there could be many possible things that could've happened relating to her being a spy. Personally, I believe that it very well could've been a suicide or a murder. For a suicide, I believe she could have set herself on fire as a precaution to being discovered which would clearly work because she was unrecognizable when she was found after she took the pills. Maybe they were not working quick enough so she used fire. The bruise on her neck could've been self inflicted to confuse people after she passed, same with the jewelry. OR she could've suspected someone was on her trail and she took the sleeping pills as a precaution in case the fire didn't kill her. And for murder, it could've been a staged suicide. The murderer could've forced her to take the pills, which would explain the bruise easily, and then set her on fire. Maybe she messed up somewhere and one of the other spies working for whatever she may have been working for had to kill her to keep any information from slipping out. Idk that's just some of my thoughts
Why isn't there any theory that she was a Vamp... burnt with fire... garlic and a strange bruise on neck.... i kept thinking someone may bring it up ....
I think it was a suicide, maybe she had to vanish so she took the sleeping pills and then dosed her front in gasoline. She then placed the petrol can a little ways a way and lit herself on fire! The sleeping pills so she doesnt feel pain and the fire tl hide her identity. (This next part is a stretch...The jewlery on the rock could have been used to light the fire?? The light reflecting from the sun could have lit some paper or grass she put on herself?? idk
Did no one ever think she took off her watch and jewelry because she didn’t want them to get ruined, maybe they were given to her from her mom or her spy agency?
What if she was like Dory from Finding Nemo/Dory and had short term memory loss so she forgot she swallowed the pills so she set herself on fire (assuming it was a suicide)
The person modeling for the isdal women is so clearly chloe
The neck bruise is by knocking her out, the sleeping pill didn’t work dither *BAM* ded, u guys would also say she was breathing also but when ur ko u breath
Also idk why but I think she was a rich lady on the run. A young girl running away and living on the edge maybe running away from her husband because she thought he would kill her. And at the very end she was murdered. She took the pills because she knew he was coming and rather die by her own hands but yet she was found and burned alive before she could have a peaceful death. And she looks French to me but who knows. Idk this is what I felt what happened
That’s interesting they found the suitcases three days later Cuz we didn’t know how long she has been dead for. So for all we know those suitcases were placed there after the reports of a dead body was found
Also when I was stating this out loud for no reason I began like crying, more like tear up and have a heavy feeling in the chest so that’s weird lol
What if she was a spy and she was going to kill herself but the people that she worked for knew her plan and killed her before she was sucessful or the people she worked for were after and she tried to commit suicide but was murdered before her death?
i think she was a spy and the way she died was that she was caught and tried to suicide by the pills but got caught and got burned to give info
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She obviously used the sleeping pills to not experience pain in suicude
"Yeah, we cooked a lady" LMAOOOOO
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Why not... I want to burn, but I don't want to feel my death ... so I take sleep pills then when I am almost too tire me (or you) sets me ablaze
Sounds like she felt she was ugly maybe due to eczema and that was why she used fire. (not finished with video)
It pisses me off that the investigator didn't open that letter.
Or she was just pretending to speak poor English to throw people off her trail. Criss-Cross.
Here's my theory: This was done by a spy to make her enemies or the people she was working for think she's dead. And this was planned thoroughly. She killed a random woman, placed her in her clothes, burned the front and especially the face of the victim so that it's unrecognizable, left the watch, bracelet, etc to the side to make it more believable to whoever she was running away from that the body was hers. The eyeglasses with the fingerprints could be very well owned by the dead woman which was then stolen by the spy and placed it on the suitcase She knew that the investigators will find it, and ofcourse the fingerprints has to match with the body. Then the spy, the real spy took off. My theory makes sense in my head.
She took 50 to 70 pills so that she wouldnt feel the pain when shes bruned
death valley? *fall out boy starts playing*
I say both maybe sianide (cant spell hope you can read that) wasnt made yet so as a spy you have a partner when you failed a mission so you have to kill yourself & have someone help you finish the job have no gun to make noises so it's a quiet suicide/murder
https://youtu.be/OnpMmBYHFPg
Is it possible she was a spy and somehow messed up, maybe leaked info or someone was onto her. Maybe was afraid of who ever she was working for so she attempted overdose but before the pills had time to kill her,her employer found her and did not know of her sure coming death so they killed her.
She could have been born to parents of North American descent, but they moved to Germany shortly after her birth so she grew up in that region. And then, was probably recruited as a spy, because she was a 'native' to the area, but still had ties to the US. This would have been beneficial to the US or the Soviets. I wonder if they ever took a sample of the pills she took and if they could be compared to known brands of sleeping pills sold at the time. Whether she was killed or committed suicide, the fire was clearly used to prevent her identification. It is possible that if she was a spy and operating in a place where she wasn't supposed to due to some sort of political agreement, she would have been instructed to eliminate herself and prevent the knowledge of her espionage getting out.
I spent 30 years in the medical field (civilian/military). I’ve smelled burnt flesh. It will make your stomach turn. It smells like burnt, decomposed, spoiled chicken. It’s a smell you cannot erase from your memory. The reason the arms flex up: As fire burns, muscles & joints contract upward into what is called (internally/medical underground) “Fire Death Pose”. The presence of that much Letrozole (Femara), yet it not being distributed into her system possibly indicates she was force fed them, then when she was passive to resist, someone or some persons attempted to emoulate her. Were her fingerprints shaved off pre-or post mortem? Too many questions, too much vital info (per NRK podcast) has been lost.
If she was a spy and since spies try and need to hide everything to hide her true identity she took the pills and told her self these aren't working quick enough and decided to burn herself or she was forced to do it because someone found her out she killed them,then killed herself just in case in the amount of time this mystery person may have told someone or she did it because all aside she was just depressed and just wanted to end it any way possible
It seems likely that it was both a suicide and a murder. She took the pills herself because she knew someone was coming for her. That someone, who didn't know she took the pills, took her and set her on fire then fled
I think she was a spy and someone was after her. She realized she couldn’t countinue to hide and decided to kill herself by taking those pills. After that the person that follows her chases her to Death Valley and the person that was after her sneakers from behind knocks her out or hits her on the neck and then he/she lights her on fire and boom dead.
If she was a spy it would make since that she killed herself because she was discovered by someone to be a spy, and did this to not reveal information. If she killed herself, I do not no why in a remote location or by burning though.
The one thing that throws me is the pills in her body. If somebody killed her, it's odd that they would force the pills down her throat instead of like, an injection, or dissolving pills inside food or drink. It certainly isn't impossible. I could see that maybe the pills were a sort of mercy killing. Like, "I've got to burn you to get rid of the evidence, and i don't have a gun. So you can burn to death, be strangled to death, or take these sleeping pills" I could also see this as some sort of cult type thing. Perhaps she was a member of a really wierd cult that was into burning people. She happened to be on the chopping block for this month's offering. They then gave her the pills so she didn't have to experience the burning.
*Breadsticks, boots...... burning myself alive*
Shane sometimes fancy brands will have a registry for items. Sometimes to return the item or something. They also have a serial code so they could find out at least how old the item of clothing is.
So here's an idea. The Isdal woman was a spy. Some sort of situation turned out poorly (like an enemy discovered her true identity). She knew she was going to be killed soon. So she hiked out the nowhere to consume the sleeping pills and die in peace. The enemy found her sleeping (but not yet dead), doused her gasoline and set her on fire.
BuzzFeedBlue, another spy related case that you might want to look into is the strange death of Gareth Williams.
When they were talking if it was a suicide, you don’t just fall asleep. You throw up every minute for at least 13 hours
Maybe she was just a very discreet, and very successful prostitute
How could they possibly decide it was an accidental death when she had over 50 freaking sleeping pills in her stomach!? That any authority decided that, and declared she couldn't possibly be a spy, makes me strongly suspect espionage.
Though, to add: in 1970, a woman owning several wigs was not so suspicious. Fashion wigs we're a big thing for a long time, and very legitimate. But everything else is VERY strange.
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Here's my theory, I think it was an assisted suicide. I think the story is, she was a spy, and either she had somebody on her tracks that would be bad if they found out whatever she knew so she wanted to get rid of herself before they couldn't find out anything about her or the spying was too much for her and she couldn't take it anymore. For whatever reason, she couldn't keep living. She had someone help her commit suicide, so it would be easier to be less traceable and unidentifiable. She wanted to be burned so she could not be identified and she took so many pills so she would not be able to feel the pain from the burning as much. She removed her tags and any means of identification. The lighter fluid found near by was used in the death, but was possibly not meant to be found. The bruise on her neck, in my opinion, was just shier coincidence. Either she had a fight with someone, got hit by something, but it could've been unrelated to the death. The reasons I think that she wasn't murdered was because of the fact that she took the sleeping pills, she didn't have any signs of struggle (except the bruise which could've been unrelated), and she was still alive when she was burned. But what do other people think?
She probably wanted to commit suicide and maybe someone found her thinking she was dead and burned her to hide the evidence
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They were looking for labels because a lot off things were tailored
What if she was an illegal spy, and a real spy found out and she knew that someone found out and then she thought someone was going to murdered her, so she had the sleeping pills to commit suicide and then someone also came and murdered her
I think she took the pills to put her to sleep then when she was falling asleep set herself on fire so no one could identify her. I honestly think suicide. That or she took the pills then jumped of the cliff got stuck like that then when she was already dead something caught her on fire...?
So like what I'm thinking is that maybe she was a spy but maybe she was just someone who didn't want to be found and was just wealthy which would explain her lavish lifestyle. The day/night of her murder she was forced to eat sleeping pills so she wouldn't make noise while whoever wanted her dead burned her alive. Incapacitating someone so you can burn them isn't something you do randomly so perhaps she was murdered by someone who knew her or someone who was trying to find her. Someone would have had to go through a lot of effort to drag her passed out body and like instead of shooting her or something quick they choose to burn her alive which take a really long time. seems a lil personal Hmmm that would also explain why her back isnt burned, she was probably passed out when after being placed in her back where she was found and doused in a flammable liquid. She probably burned all night and couldn't wake up to react. xoxo rip isdal woman
24:35 wouldn’t anyone notice that he went missing and compare his look to his’s spy’s look and it being the mostly the same
If she was a spy maybe they burned her so that she wouldn’t be recognized
i think she was a spy, due to the attempts to conceal her identity, and she took the pills after she’d been made. then maybe the people who came after her burnt her body or her own agency burnt her to cover their tracks
Was she French-Canadian? I once met a woman from Quebec City whose English was very poor. This could explain the Isdal Woman's origins as well as poor English skills...Also, if they have/had tissue samples, can't a search be done for her relatives? Also, I think she was murdered, but not because of espionage.
Idea: Perhaps it WAS a murder, by one who had been following her; the multiple identities, multiple passports, hotel hopping, they could all be attempts to get away from a higher person/group of power that wanted to kill her. Perhaps her body was found in such an odd, obscure place because; A: a murder would be done in an unlikely place, because it's unlikely, and B: the fire might not spread in a barren valley. Perhaps the pills were the original attempt at murder, and however they were administered, they either didn't work fast enough for the murderer's liking and the murderer turned to obscure location burning under assumption that the attempt to make it look like a suicide wouldn't work before they would get caught...or it was to hide the body from recognition. After living a life undercover for so long, perhaps running from this lifelong friend/family member/person of familiarity, it wouldn't be HARD to hide her to the perfect degree by charring off her face. And, if she were to fall asleep on the ground from the overdose, she could've been too out of it and near death to run from the flames. Murderer may have gotten close to being caught, and hit the Petrol in the quickest place they could out of panic, before carrying on with their life.
Here’s a theory dealing with a cult she got caught trying to hide out in the woods and they used her as a sacrifice and the cult made her take sleeping pills and then lit her on fire after taking off her jewellery as a sentimental offering
Ok so I know this is old but I just need to get my opinion out. Let’s say she was murdered. If she was murdered with the sleeping pills, she probably was dying and realized that her identity could be compromised if she was found. She probably used the hairspray to set herself on fire, effectively concealing her identity. This doesn’t explain the propane tank, but it seems likely, at least to me.
she also could have been some type of criminal couldn't she?
Butchering the names ohgod
but a spy without a gun or some kind of weapon?
I think it probably started out as a suicide, because she’s a spy and was aware someone was following her, took the pills to kill herself before the follower got there, took off the jewelry to attempt to hide her identity while the pills were taking effect, and the follower set her on fire, to me though it doesn’t make sense why only her front side was burnt??? That’s really the part that throws me off.
I think the sleeping pills made her too weak to fight back so the person was able to kill her
I think she tried to commit suicide with the pills, and someone knew she wore hairspray (possibly an enemy if she was a spy) and made the fire and puched her into it (possibly hitting neck getting bruise) and the hairspray made her have her burns. Besides not knowing who she is, I feel like my theory solved the case. Lol sorry if it doesn’t sound right for a theory
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yo the autopsy girl better before she gets her cheeks clapped..
doesn't smell like barbecue, since you're not grilling meat with skin and hair. just burn some of your hair on your forearm and you will know kinda, how it smells. it stinks and bites the nose. burnt "horn" is not a nice tasty odor .
Tie her up, put a tube down her throat and tip the pills in. Easy, done. Then toss her off the cliff and set her on fire. Clearly a result of a passed off spy haha
bread sticks. boots. burnin myself alive.
strange, fruity, garlicky smell
omg the real life actors in this made me really uncomfortable like the dancing women and the shoe shop owner please just stick to the animations lmao
Maybe she was a spy who doublecrossed or got caught or something along those lines and was get driven out there and give them the option to take her own life and once he started falling asleep the other people who were going to kill her just burned her that’s why they weren’t digested from
Well if it was a suicide burning her body would make sense because she didn’t want her identity found so she took the pills and burned her body so she couldn’t be identified
why didn’t anyone think of the kgb or wtv? she had german money and norway and the us are allies
What if someone made her swallow the pills, she fell asleep, then they set her on fire hoping to make the woman unidentifiable.
The blue code looks like it could be a hotel / travel agent GDS code.
Can you guys do picnic at hanging rock?
She was a spy who needed to hide her identity but she also needed people who know her to recognise her. Someone close to her would recognise the items she set aside. She knew that fire would wipe out her identity but she did not like the idea of pain. So she doused herself with gasoline, swallowed the pills, and just when she felt herself slipping off, lit a match.
I think someone made her take the pills to make it look like a suicide, then with her final words she made them so mad that they decided to burn her instead.
I’m just sayin.. if you’re a spy, why would you wear such noticeable shoes? I know at the time they were popular but wouldn’t that even be a reason for someone to look her way or point them out?
Okay here's a loose theory: she was murdered. The bruise on her neck was from someone tightly holding her neck, and forced the pills down her throat, so she wouldn't scream, or have the strength to fight back. The fire could have been a way to cover up fingerprints, and her identity(or a very bad way of trying to get rid of the body). Leaving her belongings could have been a way for her own organization to figure out who she was(or so the fire would burn faster?), those who would have known her would have recognized the belongings. It could have been a rival, or an enemy spy because of how nothing was taken, and was probably a warning to stay out of their business. She was abducted at the train station which is why her suitcases were left. And that concludes my little theory.
Garlic? Like Gloria Ramirez?
Do the murder of Nancy spungen
She could have been a prostitute and was murdered when threatening to blackmail someone, perhaps that is what was on the "tape". or even that someone simply thought they could blackmail them, flipped out and killed her.
Banjo McClintlock wtf???
Ok why would she not just put a gun in her mouth....especially if a spy? This is why i think it was murdered. Plus no ones ever claimed her..murdered spy
Or she was just a stripper
What kind of pills were they though?
What if she knew people were after her so she tried to commit suicide by taking sleeping pills but they didint work leaving here sleeping then her enemies found her and burned her while she was sleeping
Shane, r u polish origin?
What if she was a spy & she knew her enemy was after her & instead of being tortured by them she took the pills. But the enemy found her before she was dead so they set her on fire
give the makeup items to molly burke and james they’ll figure outbthe makeup brands in .5 seconds
She could've set her self on fire so she wouldn't be recognised
A burned human smells like roast pig btw,there was a club that burned down in the 90's,everybody inside died,the whole block smelled like roast pig.
I feel like she was being chased. She didn’t want to be caught, maybe she could have gotten killed for the spy things she could have possibly done. She took the pills and tried to hide, took off her jewelry, set down her suitcase, and waited to die, but the murderer caught up to her, lit her on fire, and pushed her in the rocks.
It only takes 100 milligrams or less of Potassium cyanide to kill a adult male. That's less than 1/3rd of a asprin tablet. & yes potasium cyanide will kill you in less than 30 seconds. Pharmacology 101
Anybody wearing glasses daily (with perscription or without) knows very well they would never touch the glass directly with their fingers.It’s like suicide for your eyes...
She worked for the kgb
I think it was a suicide. She was an illegal spy who got caught. When she was caught she took all of those pills too kill herself then, she burned herself alive so no one would recognize her. All of the other evidence was a setup so the police couldn’t figure it out.
She's a spy or a Nazi or something like that. There are two possible scenarios. She kills herself, or she's murdered by someone. Burning was just to eliminate her identity completely
I think she had to swallow the pills to prevent herself from feeling the pain from the burning and burn herself to not be recognized
*"You idiots"*
She was a vampire hunter garlic smell , Bruce her neck , death by fire doesn't that happen when you stab a vampire on the heart LOL
Maybe she tried to take the pills in an attempt to commit suicide to avoid being murdered, but the pills didn’t work in time and she was murdered anyways
Maybe the killer forced her to swallow the pills to make it look like a suicide, but then realised they needed to cover up her identity, so then they set her on fire. Also that woman looks like she's from Eastern Europe.
She could likely have been a spy. Not sure why she'd kill herself, but the pills could've been to kill herself and the fire to further mask her identity if her body was found.
Originally, she could have used the pills, intending to commit suicide, then set herself on fire to prevent from being identified.
I know the story A woman was chased by Two Bulk men in suits and found with wigs 30 years later a man claims to know her and finally decided to talk about it he called a officer but the officer said "Forget her she was dispatched
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Burnt flesh smelles sweet my uncle had to quit the fire department because he had ptsd of a burned wemon
hit woman
She was burnt leaving on the ground back to floor simple.
isnt it possible that she was trying to burn something that would identify her in some way?
seems like a case for C. C. Tinsley
Ok I've got my theory , she was drugged and abucted from the airport at some point leaving her suitcases behind , then she was taken to the valley to be tortured (using waterboarding) for information (judging by the bottles near the body) , then they burned the body to prevent anyone from recognizing the body , now , as to who she is , she was either in trouble with the mob or a runaway spy , that's it...I'm done
15:08 , Hey spy lady! you forgot to load it properly! you're supossed to...nevermind
Do the Norwegians case about the plaza woman!
i feel like she was on the run knowing she been caught by somebody, big in power that she was supposed to get info on and slowly went crazy causing in insane behavior making her ingest all those pills and then maybe act even crazier and set herself on fire in erratic behavior.. whether accidentally or on purpose...
If we’re following the line of logic that she was a spy, it makes me think that if it really was a suicide, maybe she lit herself on fire as another way to try and hide her identity after death. That being said, it doesn’t fully explain several things and just seems very unlikely, but it was something that crossed my mind.
I want Ricky Goldsworth mercy and that’s that
she could have been burned to have her features obscured to be unrecognisable and therefore difficult to identify
Ok, what if she _was_ a spy and it _was_ a suicide but afterward she was burned, after discovered she was being followed and in an effort to escape possible torture she took the sleeping pills, leapt off the edge and was then burned by her enemy? She was still technically alive but more in a state of coma/deep sleep/dying. That would explain why the bracelet and watch was taken off, she was wedged between rock and set on fire.
What if she doesn't want to be awake when she's on fire because that would be a really painful death that she probably wouldn't won't to go through
There tends to be a code of sorts on the labels of the clothing so you can determine which brand and which exact shop that stock was sent to and then if she payed by cheque or card then you can work out who bought the clothing and ta dah
I think I might sound crazy that she tried to commit suicide with the pills someone found her then killed her with the fire.
Why didn't they ch checked the fingerprints on the petrol can
I wanna see you talk about the letters of the princes in the tower. It's old but oh so interesting
maybe she set herself on fire hoping she wouldn't be identifiable?
I have a theory. Maybe she was a spy and someone was after her. She ran and then decided to commit suicide with the pills and kept the jewelry on the rock. And when the person who after her found her, he decided to put her on fire with the petrol to hide her identity to hide the tracks of the shady business they were into. And maybe, she was half asleep during the burning as the pills were slowly taking effect, thus explaining the boxer position and the fact that she was alive during the burning.
How about she took the pills to try and kill herself, or she was compromised, and they found her before she was completely dead. Meaning: they covered her identity by dousing her in gas and flames. Maybe they were trying to get information out of her before she died...? And she died during the process?
What if she was a hunter(all my supernatural fans)??
I love them but “bargh- ehn” its ‘ber-gen’ exactly how it is spelled ... ugh lol
Maybe they burned her to make her facial expressions and fingertips or any outstanding characteristic disappear.
Maybe she was in witness protection
Maybe she wasn’t a spy at all and was running away from some kind of abusive relationship
What if she did kill herself and she told someone to help her keep her identity a secret. That’s how the got all burned And she took off the jewelry so it won’t get ruined and they person who lit her up hid the evidence away. Or she was a spy and she got so tired of it the she decided death was the only solution to get away from all of it. then one of her enemy’s found her and took her away. That would explain the suitcase and she died before they could kill her so they burns her instead at Death Valley knowing she wouldn’t be found or if she was they wouldn’t be able to identify. Idk just a wild guess...
12:21: Finland is not a part of Asia damnit! Finns, where U at?
if she was a spy, maybe she wanted to kill herself to get out of it, so took the pills then burned herself so she couldn't be indentified? cause only the front of her was burned.
Whoever killed her made the mistake of letting someone discover her body, which is reckless. Why risk letting the public find out?
didnt they have her picture on the passports?
I know I'm late to this party, but I just want to put down that the fire wasn't to kill her, it was to destroy her face to make identifying her harder, going by the murdered theory. Assuming she was murdered by another spy, the murderer would know she would be careful about not leaving fingerprints, so those didn't need to be destroyed. Her face could still be recognized, however, so that had to be eliminated. That's why she was taken to Death Valley; as it was unpopular for hiking, it would be unlikely that the killer could be interrupted. The murderer would have forced her to swallow the pills to make transporting her to Death Valley to burn her easier, and the large amount could be the murderer hoping she'd be dead by the time the burning commenced. After all, it's just a job, it's not like there's personal animosity involved.
I've read that labels are being removed because they could pinpoint to where the person comes from.
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She may have been followed and was trying to get away from that said person.Think about it, the removed labels,wigs, money from other countries, switching from room to room, and country to country it would seem that she may have been super paranoid. Also if she were a spy then she would've had weapons on her which obviously the cops didn't find
its to hide identity..she most liely was a spy for them.once she did what they wanted they ended her life..its common..
4:50 one of Shane’s best moments
I think she was a spy who was murdered in a painful way to intimidate her employer/coworkers.
What if she took the pills and someone was following her and set her on fire while she was possibly passed out before oding
maybe she was a hit woman
What if it was both suicide and murder ?
While I think that this probably wasn’t suicide, it’s possible that she took the sleeping pills as an act of suicide and then set herself on fire to avoids being identified. She clearly didn’t want to be found, especially if she was a spy, and since her face was burned beyond recognition, maybe it was a way to cover up her tracks.
*Banjo McClintock*
Y'know, she could have just been trying to overdose. (In a suicide situation)
Maybe she had a abusive husband and tried to get away from him and he murdered her and that explains why she changed hotel rooms so often
Maybe she committed suicide by burning herself, specially the face because she didn’t want anybody to recognize her...?
Ok let’s say she’s a spy. If she needed to kill herself, she took sleeping pills to ensure her death in the case that someone tried to save her/she survived burning alive. Maybe?
If I were a spy that wanted to commit suicide, I would want to get rid of my body. Mabey she tried to burn away the evidence that she even existed but failed
Cyanide takes one to three minutes to work, lately there was a secretary of defense or a general or something who was on trial at the international court in the Netherlands who took a pill during questioning and died in the ambulance on his way to the hospital. https://youtu.be/1VC6zOOeUrk
She is probably with B613
20:50 maybe she wanted the fire to reach the pills?
You know you have a sad life of watching buzzfeed videos a lot when you recognise Chloe playing as the isdal woman...
I think she committed suiside and it was covered up
I think she or someone else put her on fire so she wouldn't be as recognizable
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Maybe she was trying to kill herself (via pills) because another agent was going to find her soon, and she didn't have something quick like a cyanide pill to kill herself quickly. Because she didn't want to leave any trace of herself for anyone to find, she tried to burn her body, but she died too quickly from the burns and pills to fully scored herself.
OOOHH SHE WAS A HIT WOMEN PROBABLY
Had she been a spy, the case wouldn’t have been public. I think she was a hitman. This case went awry; she thought she had enough time to die in peace but was interrupt by another hitman and murdered.
I think she was a woman in the run from someone wanting to kill or hurt her. She was running for a long time, and was finally meeting her end, and she knew it was coming somehow. She moved and switched named relentlessly in an attempt to get the person off her track. It was fruitless, however, when the person finally caught up to her. He forced her to swallow the pills and, once he realized that they weren’t taking her out fast enough, he caught her on fire. He hit the side of her neck, and then pushed her off the cliff. Think about it, and it may make sense.
whats with the dancing people in the background while talking about passports?
She's a spy, captured and murdered by an enemy spy.lol
She took the pills and burned her body to confuse the police and conceal her identity OR she was abducted at the train station on her way out of town and brought to the famous suicide place and given sleeping pills to make it appear as a suicide, and burned to conceal her identity. The accident theories don’t explain the sleeping pills
My dream death is freezing in 90° weather lol
So, my theory is, she probably had to meet with a spy, for exchanging information, clothes even, who knows for sure, and the went to this place thinking that people wouldn't catch them, probably at night, but I have the feeling, that she probably met with the wrong agent, and starting the exchanges, this pay, with lighter, set fire to the setting spray, I don't know about you but when I was in chemistry class our teacher took a deodorant, pushed the button on top and set fire to the spritz coming out of it, while holding the lighter, the alcohol from the deodorant would burn only if the source was still burning, such as the lighter, a hairspray has more alcohol, I think she was hit on her neck from an attempt of hitting her in the head, after the hit she had fallen but most likely on her hands trying to protect her, a hit on the neck won't make her loose consciousness, and after, took the hairspray and set it on fire after she rolled on her back, she put her hands up trying to protect herself but the dry vegetation around started burning too and formed smoke, as well possible petrol was used before she even arrived, as far as the pills go, maybe the murderer and her had an argument of suicide after the exchange, she had to give the murderer an envelope and than die but the murderer wanted to be sure that she will be dead, so took matters in his/her own hand to kill her, the jewelry on the sight she took off before in an attempt of trying to be comfortable. There are so many options, probably the murderer took the other evidence and made it seem an accident
She might of set herself on fire afterwards to protect her identity, or else her face would’ve been visible
the elf makeup palette in the suitcase lol
Maybe she took the pills and then purposely set herself on fire to try and dispose of her own body (or at least make her corpse unrecognizable). You know, to remain elusive both before and after death. She had time to stage the whole crime scene. She took the pills, lied down, poured gasoline on top of herself, and lit the flame. This would explain why her back wasn't burned. Seems like something a spy would do.
She did it to herself to prevent being identified....to protect her family cause she was moving people out of Germany
Maybe she was a coyote moving people from Germany...
if he says petrol like that again i might scream
Maybe it wasn't garlic maybe she just hadn't showered in a long time because she had paranoia and thought it was too risky....also plot twist....maybe she was actually Amelia Airheart!!!!
Makeup labels always come off.. So do perscriptions
Did anyone open up the jewelry, like the watch because it was set aside open it up see if it has a message inside
It would make sense that her face was burned in order to hide her identity---whether she did it to hide her identity or someone else is the actual question.
"Isdal" means "Ice valley" in Norwegian, it's also a Norwegian surname...
I live in Norway
maybe she burned herself to avoid identification idk
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Maybe someone found her after she committed suicide. Then, they touched her to like make sure she was dead. Then, they burned her body so that the police wouldn't think they murdered her.
Or the people (of person) she had done bad things to were after here and she just found out that they were coming here way and she wouldn't have the time to run away so she took the sleeping pills herself but they didn't work fast enough so the murderer(s) set her on fire (because he wanted it to be a painful death as a revenge) before she died from the pills. Ok I should stop watching this now I feel like it's a bad influence and I'm having weird dreams lol
She clearly was very secretive. She took labels off all her stuff, and had different personas. She ate the sleeping pills as a suicide attempt then burned only the front of her body to hide her identity and the bruise on her neck was probably from her triping, after all death valley is a dangerous place to hike at. To conclude, she didn't like people knowing her, burned herself to hide identity,tripped on the way up, and put the jewelry on the rock because I mean come on its jewelry. Well that's what I see a crazy lady killing herself. 3:)
It makes sense to me that it’s a suicide. She took the pills and set herself on fire so that she couldn’t be identified.
She might have been running from something or someone.
A reason why people sometimes remove labels off their victim's clothing is so that investigators cant determine what the clothes looked like BEFORE a person was harmed (especially in something like a burning). Because subsequently they can use that information to show the public and ask if anyone in the community might know a person who had an outfit like that who they haven't seen or heard from in a while. Even if it's a fairly common garment, there are only so many people out there known to have it who have gone missing, so it can really help narrow subjects down to determine a victim's identity. Same thing could be said of the other things like the bottles- they could ask if anyone knows of a person matching the general description who was known to consume the drink who has likewise not been heard from in a while.
Why is this like the book "The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo"?
if she was a spy maybe she wanted to use the pills to die and then decided she needed to burn herself to further hide her identity
she was burned to conceal her body
Screen shot 4:59 xD
I feel like she's a spy 101%
My question is how does one just become a spy? Like where do you go and who do you meet to just start spy work?
If she really was a spy, she could have been trying to kill herself because she knew someone was after her. Maybe she did something they didn't like. If caught, you never know if they are going to kill you right away or keep you alive for weeks torturing you before killing you. So she probably wanted to go out in a more peaceful way than torture. But they caught her before all the pills were digested. That's my take on it.
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This is my theory Maybe she's a spy, or maybe not. But someone wanted her to be dead for sure so she left behind the two suitcases of her belongings is because she doesnt want anyone to know her identity when she died or else maybe because it would cause more trouble something like that (?) and then she was eventually got caught by the killer and the killer forced her to drink the pills, that's why there's a bruise on her neck, the pills would make her feel sleepy and tired and its easy for the killer to bring her to death valley, and layed her body and burn her alive (i saw a comment saying that by drinking a lot of the sleeping pills, it will make sure shs doesnt scream when she is burned alive.. I don't really know if that's true or not) but then burning her body alive would attract attention because fire is bright ya know so the killer probably put out the fire right after she died, that's why it was only burned infront. But i still don't get it why are her jewelries were not on her, but on the rock instead. And also if she has several passports, then wouldn't they know her face from the passports? :/ and also spy tends to cut off the labels and wipe off the mark from their clothings/products so that it's hard for people to know her identity or which city is she tied to
The fire was for her to be unrecognizable.
To me it seems simple that she was a spy and that she was murdered. One of the reasons why the murderer forced her to take the pills is so that everyone would be confused and would think it was a suicide as there was no point in someone forcing her to take the pills. The jewelry may have been left on the rock, as a sort of 'sorry' as the murderer realized that the victim was a real person. However if they didn't kill her, she might've killed them + it may have been an order. Oh well, though. I suppose with most of these cases we will never know...
I think she was a spy she was being chased by someone eventually that someone found her and forced her to drink the pills to MAKE it look like suicide? and if they were sleeping pills it would prevent her from screaming so that no one would hear her and then burned her off so that police won't get in contact with anyone she knew cuz if it was a suicide I'm pretty sure she would at least burn both side of the body why just the face? again to not get identified
Well, she was a busted spy, got captured, tortured, made to swallow the pills, then got recused by a colleague, but they discussed that death is the best way for her since she has already swallowed the pills. They burnt her front so they wouldn't recognize her face. DONE.
I have a felling someone was after her so she was trying to stay away and hide but finally the person found her. She decided to kill herself before the person could get to her and torture her or something but the pills didn’t work fast enough, the person found her and killed her in the most painful way possible.
Can you do “Bella in the Witch Elm” if possible?
Maybe she was a spy and someone found her and started chasing her so she ran to the Death Valley place. On the way to where she died she swallowed the pills to kill herself before the person got to her and she tripped on something and a rock or something hit her neck and created a bruise. Then the person following her caught up and set her on fire and she died
If you were going to go with the assumption she was some sort of spy, would it not be plausible to say she took the pills, and burnt her front half to make herself unidentifiable after death? It is quite the point of being a spy to be unidentifiable. Labels can be taken off to avoid being tied to one city.
Theory- She was a vampire. She took the pills because she couldn’t fall asleep during the day and was scared. She wouldn’t fall asleep because she isn’t human and the pills don’t work. She lit on fire and died. She had lots of identities and spoke languages because again, she was a vampire. This is a common let’s joke btw but it does make sense
She reminds me of how Sam and Dean Winchester the way her suitcase or something was found
Why is it always spy, there are CON ARTISTS TOO
Does anyone else think it's super disrespectful and in poor taste how they joke about these murders?
I don’t think the label on her clothes is weird because I cut all mine off because I find them itchy
11:05 fake Belgian identities were easy to come by for criminals and spies for quite some time because of our federal devolved system. Passports were issued from town halls-and supplies of blank ones were stored there (high demand, because it such a small country). All forgers had to do was break into a small, remote village hall that had lacking security and steal a bunch of blank passports.
13:28 They use that test to determine where skeletons from archaeological digs grew up (e.g. can provide info about the movement of peoples in history).
What if the fire was a way to make sure that she could never be identified? Going to all the trouble of removing the tags and other things would’ve been a waste if they could identify her face, say if she committed suicide by a gunshot to the head. Although it’s not an ideal way to go if she was a spy she would go to great lengths to protect her identity. Wether or not she was murdered is unlikely because none of her belongings in her suitcase were identifiable, so most likely it was her who got rid of the labels in order to protect her identity. The fire only being on one side of her body shows that she knew it was going to hurt, so she later on her face to get the job done and also make sure it was done as quickly as possible, hence why she swallowed so many pills, because she knew it was going to be awful. Just a theory^.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Death Valley? Seems like FOB killed someone again
1:54 We can even sing by squeezing air through our meat.
What if she was a spy and had found out some extremely valuable, life threatening information, because of which she was being followed to kill/ torture for that particular information. That could explain her erratic behaviour and could also explain why she took those 50-70 pills; basically not to reveal the information. But unluckily, she was too late as the effects of the pill didn't hit in till the killer possibly kidnapped her and killed her by setting her on fire. Yes I watch a lot of true crime.
Why couldn't they check the hotel cameras for a picture of her if she went to so many !?!?!
Maybe she was set on fire or set herself on fire so her face can't be identified?
Possibly, she was an agent/spy; which would explain the passports. And she was trying to kill someone or threaten someone. That someone may of been alerted about this information and tried to go after or seek information about what she was doing. This could potentially explain the pills because if she was on the run she would only be able to get what was available and took them to try and silence herself. But that someone may have found her and tried to torture her by setting her on fire. This could explain the petrol can. However this is my thoughts.
Most Belgian people speak proper English. The language is teached in some schools.
I feel like she was killed and she was a spy and knew someone was after her so she took the pills but someone came and burned her alive.
She's a vampire hunter, which is why she carries garlic. She got bit, which explains the bruise on her neck. And she'd rather die than be a vampire so she swallowed a bunch of sleeping pills in hopes of killing herself but then had to go fight some vampires so she went out to Death Valley and fought till sunrise. Which is why her she was found in a fighting stance. However her pills took effect and she wasn't able to get out of there before the sun came fully up and she caught on fire.
Which also explains why het back wasn't burned. Her back wasn't under direct sunlight
Lake bodom murders!
It was 100% a Murder. They said 50-70 pills thats more than enough to kill someone. And once the killed her they took her to the hiking track to burn the body when the body didn’t burn fully they might of still been happy cuz her face was destroyed. The Murderer might of been following her for a long time thats why she had wigs and multiple names. And it would make sense that the murderer wanted the police not to see the face cuz they could go “oh this person is X and X has reported a stalker 10 years ago, and that person is A lets go investigate them.” There is my theory.
i googled it. even in large doses, cyanide takes a few minutes to kill you. so the movies are highly exaggerated. the reason being you know they are going to die, there is no need for us to watch a 5 minute scene of them going into cardiac arrest and very slowly dying from their blood cells binding together and being unable to produce oxygen thus forcibly shutting the body down.
A theory about the alleged suicide: If she was a spy (which I think is most likely), she might have killed herself to protect the cause/country she worked for - like if someone was onto her and she saw no other way out. IF it was a suicide, I think it's possible she took the pills, dowsed herself in gasoline, waited til she was almost asleep, and then lit herself on fire - so they couldn't identify her. Good work on the Norwegian pronunciation by the way, and the details like the Norwegian money, and the writing. I don't know if you guys work with a Norwegian, or if Ryan just researched how to say the words and names, but that was cool.☺️
What if she was committing check fraud which would explain why she was able to afford the hotels and also why all the labels from her stuff was removed. Along the way she may have angered people and made enemies which would explain the death. Idk i watched catch me if you can and it’s her actions are similar to the guy in the movie
The inner machinations of a killer’s mind are an enigma. *spills milk
Maybe she burned herself (and specifically her front half, including her face) to hide her identity? Like, maybe it *was* a suicide and she took the pills in order to kill herself and set herself on fire in order to keep her body from being recognized. Given that was probably a spy, and in any case went to great lengths to hide her identity while she was alive, this makes a lot of sense.
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I attempted suicide by taking about 30 sleeping pills, after 10 minutes I was already dizzy and I would have no chance to be able to literally get up and set myself on fire.
oh she's absofuckinglutely a spy cmon
also she was obviously burned so no one would recognize her. christ
maybe she was being chased after or stalked and she had to change her identity to be safe and went to spy's so they can help her but her stalker found her anyways and murdered her idk im just saying maybe thats a possibility
P.s. the hairspray could, and probably is the fuel for the fire she killed herself in.
I´m thinking she did something horrifying and in order not to be recognized and maintain her life of crime a secret, she set herself on fire but before that, she took the pills to numb herself knowing it would hurt like hell. It´s almost like those people who put a pillow on their heads when they are about to shoot themselves. She just wanted to avoid the pain of being burned alive. #Solved
She probably did some stuff and got herself in trouble with some mob or something and freaked out and went into hiding and took on various identities to keep herself hidden. And one day, while in Isdal, whoeever she was hiding from caught up to her and killed her.
I think she's murdered
PLS DO MADALINE MCANN OR THE SILENT TWINS!!
what if she was trying to hide her identity by burning herself??
21:10 wtf fools !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tablets were to mess with her internal body and burnt so that she cannot be identified !!!!!!!!!!!!! She's a spy guys !!!!!!!1
12:40 she sure was a spy !!!!!!!!!!!111
7:40 oh definately a spy !
6:46 she's a spy I think !... !.
Maybe her name was stitched on the tags of her clothing. Or maybe she just took the tags off yourself like sensitive skin I do that with some clothes. It happens!
The isolated place suggest she was held up by someone else or that she didn't want to be found, or both. Swallowing pills isn't a quick death, and if she needed to die to conceal information, maybe she thought the fire would be quicker.
Maybe whoever else was involved may have burned her so she couldn't be identified?
Personally, I think it sort of makes sense that a woman who was so obsessed with removing identifiable features from everything she owned, (such as labels from clothes and makeup,) would also attempt to remove one of her most identifiable features (her face,) after she killed herself. I don't doubt she was a spy, but personally I think she decided on death by fire as her suicide attempt, and took the sedatives/sleeping pills in hopes of the death being a little less painful, (if possible.)
Maybe she was so scared of someone or something she tried to kill herself and then whatever found her and set her on fire
The girl is a mannequin
There’s a great Podcast by the BBC on this very case. Some interesting things they mentioned is that they found some of the pills in her mouth (as if she was trying not to swallow all of them) and that she was near a major NATO Naval base where marines were often seen on leave.
If she had passports then why couldn't they trace her back and even know her face??
I think she tried to kill herself before someone else did (that's why she swallowed the pills), but then she was caught and set on fire before the pills worked
I know why she set herself on fire if the suicide-theory is the right one. She didn't want to be identified. Look, she's a spy, she clearly doesn't want anyone to know who she is. And then she takes the pills to somewhat ease the pain or calm her nerves or maybe even die before the fire kills her? I think that conclusion seems pretty obvious.
The test on her teeth pinpointing her either in Germany or America probably correlated to fluoride in the water. They started putting fluoride in drinking water during the world wars
If she didn't want to be recognized, and was in fact a spy, she may have burned herself so she couldn't be recognized. That way if she was in danger or had gone rogue, her threat or agency could not go after people she was close to.
I was eating bbq chicken....
what about if she just wanted to die and disappear? like she wanted to kill herself with the pills and the fire would cremate her body
This murder is kind of similar to the "Tamam Shud Case". This guys body was found on Somerton Beach Adelaide South Australia back in the 50's. Also this is very near the same beach where three children disappeared on Australia Day 1966, taken in view of lots of people. Adelaide South Australia, is the sick crime capital of Australia. The Family murders, Bodies in barrels etc.
My thoughts are that she was possibly told to swallow all the pills and her killer then realized they'd have to dispose of the body somehow so set her on fire while she was still alive, possibly the killer was rushed? Just my thoughts, it's what I'd do anyway.
Or she was on her Sam and Dean and was a monster hunter and died on a hunt
I think she was forced to take those pills, the person who forced her grabbed her neck so hard that it bruised her, then set her on fire so that her face would be unrecognizable. But I’m no detective
8:56 Holy crow... Strange garlic odor... *THE FRUITY GARLIC RETURNS*
Could have done it herself. Maybe couldn't handle the shame in her head at least of suicide so removed anything that would give her identity. Strange tho
Isn't the music at 5:01 from Modern Warfare 2?
i think she was just on the run from people probly did something and killed herself.
Maybe she took the pills so there is no pain
is Isdal- ice valley? or ice stream in Norwegian. just curious about the name, and missed the intro.
Im from Norway
Could you hold someone by the neck. Force a tube down her throat and pouring pills down it? Then. It wasn’t acting fast enough so they were worried about being caught and switched to fire.
Perhaps she was planning on killing herself with those pills, but someone got to her before they took effect. Burning her body to both kill her and make it even harder to identify her.
The fact that she died in the 70s and all the clues were found in 2016 and 2017 Is sad.
If she was murdered, the fire could be a forensic countermeasure to try to cover up her identity, since it was her front side including her face that was burned, right?
She wanted to kil herself , she took the pills to die without pain and asked a partner to burn her after she died , once he saw she was somewhat dead he burned her front side so she wouldnt be identified, the pills didnt fully kick in comoletly , so when she got burned she was asleep breathing .
Look at you in your celebrity boots.
I think that she may have taken the pills so she would fall asleep and would be burned after she fell asleep so she wouldn’t feel anything. If she was a spy this would have probably also made her body disappear which would have been a good idea if she actually wanted to die and not be recognized after her death. Since she was burned alive I think she didn’t wait long enough for it to work so..you know. In the case that she was a spy, her leaving her stuff at the train station would’ve made sense if she thought someone was after her so she ran. I have many theories but this is just one of the ones that made sense.
What if she just set herself on fire so she wouldn't be recognized?
I just realized.. Bergen, norway and the video it’s the dessert.. what? Have they seen Bergen? Norway in general?
I feel like there's one thing they're overlooking, which tbh I get, cause it isn't as weird as all the other things; but why were her suitcases found at the train station of all places? It doesn't sound that weird in the beginning compared to everything else, but it does when you start to think about it. If she was a spy and committed suicide, she would've tried to get rid of all of that stuff, by at least burning it with her. If it wás murder, it would probably be by someone who knew who she was and/or what she did, maybe even by another spy, and in that case, they would have tried to get rid of it. I mean, the less you know about the victim, the further you are from the murderer, right? So why was her stuff found? And why at the train station?
"bread sticks, boots, burning myself alive"
i think she was running and hiding from someone
It might not make sense but maybe it was suicide. Perhaps she committed suicide because she was being followed or some spy stuff that led to her boss or whoever to force her to commit suicide. The pills were to make sure she would die, the fire was to dispose of the body, and the tags were removed so now one would find any information about her. But that's my opinion.
My theory: Maybe it was a forced suicide. Like, someone could've been threatening her family because of something she did so, that would explain why she was going to various hotels, had many passports, disguises, and written in code; she simply didn't want to be found and killed. Someone could've found out her family, threatened them, and made her swallow the pills. After her death, the person who forced her to commit suicide could've lit her body on fire so her identity couldn't be found out and traced back to the person who forced her to commit suicide.
"breadsticks, boots, burning myself alive" my recent schedule
What if she is as going to commit suicide but then someone came to murder her
This case is uncannily similar to the Somerton man case in Australia (also thought to be a possible spy — I think that case is dated to 1948). In fact many details are identical: tags cut out of clothes, strangely well dressed for location, suitcase found later with items suggesting possible espionage connection, sheet with codes, apparently killed by some kind of poison in a very high dose (this woman had the large amount of pills in her system).
What if she new that someone was going to kill her or try to get information so she try’s to kill herself buy the pills to avoid pain. Unlucky they caught her and obviously she was burned, to torture her for info or to keep her quiet or something like that.
My norwegian family thought they knew everything about this case, but now they are SHOOK
My mind is telling me something along the lines of she took the pills knowing someone was trying to kill her and they didn’t take effect in time and her murdered caught up with her a struggle ensued which would explain the bruise. Then once the struggle was over they lit her ablaze and left her for dead
fell asleep ryan
These stories are scary listen to but you guys make them funny..... lol
Maybe she had a spontaneous human combustion , thats why her back wasn’t burned , and explaining why she was still alive when she was burned , but it doesn’t explain stuff found by the body
I could buy the spy theory. But it may seem more possible she was a double agent that she got found out by her superiors and asked her to commit suicide. Then of course the agency will cover any of it’s intel by getting rid of evidence. The death probably can be explained by asking her to drink tons of sleeping pills so she ODs then burn her front body beyond recognition. And anything that would tie her and the agency was stripped off.
A spy, most likely being chased, committed suicide and made sure there was no way to track her identity? HOW BADASS IS THAT!!??
I belive she was a spy and a very commited spy ofcourse... She swallowed the pills and burned herself in order to hide her identity. Which could have been easy to find out with her face.
The DNA test saying she was north american and the dental test saying she grew up in germany/france can simply mean that she was born to north american parents and grew up in germany/france. Its not either/or.
when you say the Norwegian names i cringe so hard because you say it wrong
Is that the, um... FRUITY GARLIC SMELL
Just to add, is it possible, that if theoretically she WAS a spy, and she was on the run, that protocol was to burn herself to prevent identification? She wouldnt have dental or dna records if she was made to not officially exist, so visual identification would be the only way. She already went to great lengths to make sure people didnt know where she shopped or was from. Perhaps the pills were to make her numb? Just a thought. What do you think?
bruh she set herself on fire because she had to hide her identity after death because she was a secret agent
Is Chloe playing the girl?
If she was a spy (not saying she was) if something went wrong and she had to kill herself, burning the front side of her body would be a perfect way to hide her identity (as proven by the fact she still hasn't been identified) taking 70 sleeping pills would be a good way to numb yourself still leaving a minute to ignite yourself before they kick in fully. If true this woman is a true savage and a legend.
What if this woman was a spy but she wasn't actually the one who is died. What if she found a woman who looked similar, planted her prints on those glasses and then killed her in a bizarre way to confuse the police. What if she did this just because she was in danger of being found as a spy and she did this to get people off her trail.
Bread sticks=B Boots=B Burning myself alive=B BBB is owned by Lavar Ball Coincidence?I think not!
I bet it was a white family...
I find it a little weird they couldn’t determine how long she had been there. She was burnt, yeah, but only HALF burnt. They couldn’t have found even a vague approximation based on lividity and/or decay?
If I was that family, I would be so disturbed.
that is like on of the most intriguing cases
My thought is that maybe some powerful people found out she was a spy, and she knew she was going to be killed horrifically so she chugged the pills to try to kill herself before they set her on fire.
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what if the woman was a spy or former spy and she held information or someone was coming after her and so to avoid being caught she killed herself with the sleeping pills and did not want the police knowing who she was because of her spy work so she set herself on fire so she could not be identified.
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I took the results of the test meaning that she or her ancestors were from the Americas based on their genetic DNA, but that the separate isotope test definitively placed her as growing up in the France/Germany border area. She could have easily been from a Military family, or perhaps her parents worked for an international business and raised her in Europe or she could be staying with relatives or just have ancestors that were Americans. So, that could potentially be more telling than just one test or the other, vs. making it more broad.!!
No promo said the Isdal woman as she rubbed off the brandings
I don't know if someone has already commented this, but perhaps it was a mixture of attempted suicide and murder? Given the theory that this woman was in fact a spy, it is possible that in the event that she was for some reason contemplating suicide(let's say she was running from someone), she swallowed the pills and then was found and killed(by, for example, another spy from another organisation OR the same organisation which she might have somehow betrayed, who would've left her belongings and jewelry with her out of mutual respect) with fire in order to A. kill her and B. prevent her from being recognized by whoever would inevitably find the body later, all before the pills even kicked in. This would explain a lot of factors, including the different identities, burns and possibly even the bruising on her neck(though that could also be from the force of swallowing so many pills) , but it doesn't explain the petrol container found near the body. Any self-respecting spy probably would not have left that kind of evidence lying around, though it could also be classified as litter.
Wtf ryan just said what my friends call me b jørn
Mmk, so this is how i think they could’ve found out her identity, I don’t know what year this was but since they had her fingerprints and since it was matched up to the body, They could’ve possibly turned the fingerprints in to a forensic scientist that specialise in fingerprints and find out her identity. I don’t know its just what i’m thinking about right now.
Im questioning if Shane actually farted
theory: if she was really a spy then she probably had valuable information. someone may have been after her so tried swallowing the pills to commit suicide but she didnt die in time, the fire was either a last resort to remove herself or the person after her used the fire to kill her. who knows
Lots of wigs and makeup, traveling around, using fake names at various hotels and moving rooms when she gets there? This is how prostitutes travel for work.
She could have been a Con-Artist. Multiple identities, different disguises, plenty of money. She traveled around conning people out of their savings. Switched hotels often to avoid her victims. OR she could have a high dollar prostitute, maybe even blackmailing her johns. My point is, this behavior doesn't necessarily say 'spy'
I binged this whole series!!!
9:21 IMMMMMM DYINGGGGGGG
She probably wanted to die sleeping but burned herself to hide her identity. But she would have needed to set herself on fire before she went to sleep.
I remove labels because they're itchy.
If she was a spy or involved in some shady stuff then maybe she could have taken the pills to commit suicide because she knew that someone was after her but before she died she went up to death valley to light herself on fire so that the case would be as confusing as possible and so that it would make it almost impossible to identify her.
To my un6, the isotope test showed that she grew up in Europe near the border between France and Germany. The DNA test showed she was of northern European or North American descent.
breatsticks, boots, bUrNiNg mYsElf aLiVe
wait how did she get from the station to death valley by walking? ..too far. by taxi? ..thered be a record rental car?.. also, why, did she leave her things.. was she kidnapped.. or if she was a spy did she chase someone from the station to the place... also, could she have been a high class escort.. as this would explain the travelling.. cash... clothes... hotels.. changing rooms.. accents.. and suicide.
she could have set herself on fire just so no one could identify her when they find her dead
She was murdered by another agent, of a different group or country. The agent either met her in Death Valley or forcibly took her there, then made her swallow the pills. Only moments after death from overdose (as soon as the other agent knew she was deceased) he/she set the body on fire so no remains would be left. Mystery solved.
They hit her on the neck, she fainted, they opened her mouth put on the pills (with water), set her face on fire (while laying on her back) so they wouldn’t recognized her (the spy she was. That’s my theory.
From her skin samples, couldn’t they have used the DNA to find her living ancestors? If they did that they could of found some stuff like photos, and other things like that to determine her identity.
if she was a spy, what if she knew an enemy caught up to her, so she took the pills, but they didn’t work fast enough and she was caught and they burned her??
I think she killed herself, and then agents came to Clean up and burned her in the hills, but they didnt stick around to make sure that she was fully burned away. (or they wanted her found as a message)
So I have a little idea that the lady, she was delusional, high or something, spy or not, so she took a lot of sleeping for pills then went for a little hike. Then, like the investigation suggested, she started a bonfire with the petrol and then when it wasn’t warm enough she added the hair spray, then the fire flared up and she got severely burned and toppled over. It makes more sense than force because she would be a little out of her mind at the time. I dunno, just an idea.
What if she was did work in espionage and got found out about who she was so she swallowed all those pills because she knew she was going to die but before she could pass away peacefully she was found by the person/people’s she was spying on and they killed her
Please make merch that just says, breadsticks, boots, and burning myself alive!!!
She probably was a prostitue
Well what if she knew someone was was after her going to murder her then she finds out and she doesn't want this someone to take her life she decided to take her own with the sleeping pills but to late the murderer finds her before the pills take effect and boom she gets light on fire but that still doesn't answer why her back for some odd reason was not burnt
What if the hairspray was used to improvise a flamethrower?
Sound like the “Peter Bergmann case” - also died mysteriously, acted mysteriously, no labels or ID, used an alias etc
She could have been a con-artist and someone got tired of her games!!!
Here’s a theory. She’s a spy, and has confidential information. An enemy agent is on her and she tries to kill herself so the agent can’t learn the information. He/she gets there earlier and takes her to Death Valley where he/she proceeds to torture her by burning in order to procure aforementioned information.
That American pronunciation of Gisle tho
What if she indeed set herself on fire in order not to give out information to whoever may have been on to her.. Scary af
I’ve smelt burnt flesh *IT DOES NOT SMELL LIKE BARBECUE*
BANJO MCLINTOCK
*YOU'VE BEEN BANGED*
And this is like the sommerton man, all the tags were cut off their clothes and they both used codes
maybe she lit herself on fire so no one could identify her?
Norway looks a lot like the Verdugo Hills...
Raise your hand if you think the bruise is a hickey
a while back people would write their names on their clothes tags so it could be used as identification
maybe she did something bad as a spy and her agency thing needed her to die fast and forced her to take the pills but thought that someone was watching them or something and decided to set her on fire so that she'd die faster. but idk
Maybe she was trying to do some asmr “label removing asmr” makes sense right?
(Wheeze)
the setting herself on fire could have been to erase her identity if she were running away or hiding
my theory is that she took the sleeping pills in anticipation of having being tracked down. And unfortunately the pills had not taken effect before her interrogation and subsequent murder
She's sure she'll be murdered. Maybe she just swallowed those pills to boggle the authorities to make the case more confusing.
She is obviously hiding from something, considering her belongings she has a objective where she was. I don't mean something crazy, I think she was a spy as Well, or she was hiding from someone.
She might've attempted to kill herself with the pills and maybe some other spy covered her in gasoline and tossed her on the barbie then threw her over the edge where she got wedged in the rocks and gained that funky bruise.
thats not asia
If she tried so hard to keep her identity a secret while she was alive burning her front side would make sense if she killed herself because then they wouldn’t be able to identify her body
What if the lady was being followed by someone. She then made different identities and constantly changed hotel rooms to hide. Then once she realized that the person or people where to close on her trail so she took the pills to commit suicide but soon after the people abducted her and set her on fire to make it look like a suicide. Idk it's just a guess.
This will also explain the strange bruise and having the tag removed from all of her possessions.
I think personally that this was a murder. This theory is only about her death, not what led up to it, btw. I think the culprit somehow knew where she was going to be and followed her or lured her there. They caught her by surprise and struck a blow to her neck, effectively knocking her out. They then tried to kill her by forcing 50-70 pills down her throat to make it look like a suicide. But after waiting a while, and she still wasn't dead, they got impatient when the pills weren't taking effect as quickly as they wanted, and doused her body in petrol before setting her body on fire. Then they ran. This is my opinion of the death, I'm still puzzled by the circumstances because each one I come up with has multiple holes in it or pure assumptions not supported by evidence
I don't think she removed heart tags or labels just for the fact of her suitcases being found at a train station 3 days later. The suspect could have did that. Or if she did do it and committed suicide maybe she didn't want didnt want to be identified to cause heartache to her loved ones.. Idk ijs
Lol, respectable spy deaths never gets solved?
Maybe she knew she was being chased so she took the pills and went in the middle of no where to die on her own terms, but when the people who were chasing her caught up to her they decided to end it there by burning her.
I still think it's a suicide. If you're a spy, you wanna do something to hide your identity after death, hence the fire.
I’m calling it she’s a vampire who’s on the run
What if like— considering if she WAS a spy— to keep the information away from probably an enemy, she swallowed the pills, and then this enemy burnt her to a crisp? It’s both a suicide and a murder to gain and detain information
Lesse here... what two things were accomplished in this murder? 1: Isdal died and 2: no one knows how or who she was. If I was going to murder someone, I would make sure they couldn't be recognized after the fact, and obviously adding as many non-complimentary clues as possible caused investigators to fail. Giving evidence that leads in circles makes for an unsolved case and a scot-free murderer. Obviously since this is unsolved, the method to confuse worked
19:55 those are tic tacs aren't they
Love this show! But about this one.. theory: Domestic abuse or stalker. She was on the run from someone trying to hurt her. (Fingerprints gone, clothes gone, constant moving, alternative ID's, etc.) They caught up with her. Forced her to take the pills. Then "had they're way" with her. Burned her to cover any evidence.
So...I am leaning towards accident/suicide. I wonder if she was burning something, and something she was burning exploded, which is why the front of her was burned and not the back. Also if she was burning something that would explain the smoke in her lungs. Not so sure about the jewelry though.
Cyanide works as fast as in the movies without a doubt!!! There are quite a few documented cases of people, accused of murder etc. taking cyanide pills in court immediately after receiving guilty verdicts in order to avoid jail time. Possibly some new content for any upcoming seasons of Buzzfeed unsolved - True Crime?.
if she was a spy "killing" her self would make sense so then agency could say she's "dead" but she might still be alive somewhere. A fake death??
Maybe the burning was a torture method or something. I mean, if she was indeed a spy then torture must have been involved somehow. Like, rivals or nemeses could be trying to get info out of her, but she can't so she could have resorted to sleeping pill as it could have been the nearest thing to her. But that still doesn't explain why she swallowed 50 something sleeping pills. Maybe the bruising on her neck could mean forceful swallowing of the pills. But the person/s didn't think she deserved such a painless death and decided to burn her instead with petroleum and a blowtorch, SLOWLY if it even is possible, before she actually died of the pills.
If i'll die a want to in the most weird and absurd way so there will be an episode just about me :3
oh my god the way ryan says petrol,,,
what if she was a spy who was running from the Norwegian government because she was going to release some damaging information about the government and she tried a impromptu suicide with the sleeping pills and when her pursuers found her dead body and they burned it to mask her identity but someone else planted her bags at the train station to spur an investigation into her and the information she had but it hit a dead end and the government found and killed the person who planted the bags effectively ending any discovery evidence of whatever information she and her accomplice had. The bruise is from where the agents pulled the dead body in to the depression where it was found. The body was found because the agents were going to return to the scene of the burning to clean up the scene but couldn't because the family found it in what the agents thought would be a isolated hiding place and they didn't want to draw any attention to themselves by trying to cover it up after it became open to the public.
maybe she didnt want people to recognize her so maybe thats why she burned herself ? idkdkkdk
it does make sense to burn herself kinda if the theory that she is a spy is true. sleeping pills to die and fire so it would make it hard to identify her.
It's possible she could have been hiding from someone/something. If she was a spy, this could be possible. My theory is that she was afraid she was going to get caught, so she took the pills to commit suicide. This said person could have then caught her and burned her alive to kill her, not knowing that she had already taken these pills.
Ripping of labels means there was victim's name on it. Not brand name.
okay but maybe she knew someone was following her or trying to kill her or smth so she tried to commit suicide via pills, but then they took her and burnt her
thiccc plot
I mean, I remove the labels on my clothing! Not because I'm a spy or anything, but because I have sensory problems and labels feel like sandpaper on my body..
Buzzfeed unsolved? You mean (wheeze)?
wait were her dental records ever checked
the fire could have been inodder to not be recognized or identified
Potentialiply trying to burn off finger prints?
Maybe she was some sort of runaway, or had a stalker or something. Also, I mean she had a bunch of organs removed and put in a warehouse, so that kind of clearly states she was murdered.
If she had multiple passports wouldnt there b a photo in em? Unless she removed it everytime she used it
So is Shane married or.... because if not I'd really like to be Mrs. Shane Madej
She might have out herself on fire cuz she didn't want anyone to know who she was if ur burned alive it's hard to know who it was
Why doesn’t Shane do the commentary? He has a better sounding voice.
the way they try to pronounce the name is funny