WATCH LIVE : TESLA Autonomy Day Event
Hi. Everyone. I'm, sorry for being late. Welcome. To our very first analyst. Day for, autonomy, I really. Hope that this is something we can do a little bit more regularly, now to. Keep you posted about the. Development. We're doing with regards to autonomous, driving. About. Three months ago we. Were getting prepped up for our q4, earnings call with, Elon and quite, a few other executives, and, one. Of the things that I told the. Group is that from. All the conversations. That I keep, having with investors, on a regular basis. The. The biggest gap that I see with, what I see inside the company, and we'll be outside perception. Is is our. Ability of autonomous driving and. It kind of makes sense because for the past couple of years we've, been really talking about model three ramp and you, know a lot of the debate has revolved, around model three but. In reality a, lot, of things have been happening in the background we've. Been working on the new force of driving chip we've. Had a complete, overhaul of our neural net for vision recognition, etc. So. Now that we finally started to produce our, full self-driving, computer, we. Thought it's a good idea to just open, the veil invite, everyone in and talk, about everything that we've been doing for. The past two years, so. About, three years ago we wanted to use we, wanted to find the best possible chip, for. Full. Autonomy and, we, found out that there's no chip that's been designed from ground up for, neural nets so. We, invited my, colleague Pete Bannon the, VP of silicon engineering, to, design such chip for us he's. Got about 35 years of experience of building chips, and designing chips, about. 12 of those years where for a company called PA semi, which, was later acquired by Apple, so. He worked on dozens of different architectures, and designs and he was the lead designer I, think for, Apple iPhone 5 but just before joining Tesla. And he's gonna be joined on stage, by Elon. Musk thank. You. Actually. I was. Gonna introduce Pete but once. Done so, he's. Just the the, best a, trip. And system, architect that that I know in. The world and and it's, a honor to have you and, your and your team at, Tesla. And. We'll. Take away just tell, him I think try to work cut your hair teen you were done thanks. For lunch it's, a pleasure to be here this morning and, a real, treat really to tell. You about all the work that my colleagues and I've been doing here at Tesla for the last three years I. Think. Will tell you a little bit about how the whole thing got started and, then I'll introduce you to the full self-driving, computer, and tell you a little bit about how it works we'll, dive into the chip itself and go through some of those details I'll, describe how the custom, neural network accelerator, that we design works and then, I'll show you some results, and hopefully. It will all still be awake by then. I. Was hired in February of 2016. I asked, Elon if he was willing to spend all the money it takes to do full custom system design and he, said well are, we gonna win and I said well yeah of course he. Said I mean and so. That got us started we hired a bunch of people and started, thinking about what, a full what, a custom-designed. Chip. For full autonomy would look like we, spent eighteen months doing, the design and in August. Of 2017. We released the design for manufacturing, we, got it back in December it powered up and it actually worked very very well in the first try we. Made a few changes and, released, a B zero Rev in April of 2018 in July. Of 2018. The. Chip was qualified and we started full, production, of. Production. Quality parts in December. Of 2018, we had the autonomous. Driving stack running. On the new hardware and we were able to start retrofitting. Employee cars and testing. The hardware and software out in the real world just.
Last March we. Started shipping of, the new computer, in the Model S and X and just. Earlier, in April we started production in the model, so. This. Whole program from the, hiring, of the first few employees to. Having it in full production in all three of our cars is, just a little over three years and it's probably the fastest. System. Development program I've ever been associated with and it really speaks a lot to the. Advantages, of having a tremendous amount of vertical integration, to. Allow you to do concurrent, engineering and, speed up deployment. In. Terms of goals we were totally focuses exclusively on, Tesla, requirements, and that, makes life a lot easier if you have one and only one customer you don't have to worry about anything else, one. Of those goals was to keep the power under 100 watt so we could retrofit the new machine into the existing, cars. We. Also wanted a lower part cost so, we could enable full redundancy, for safety at. The time we had a thumb in the wind I submitted that it would take at least 50 trillion operations a second of neural network performance to, drive a car and so we wanted to get at least that much and really as much as we possibly could. Batch. Sizes how many items you operate on at the same time so for example Google's TPU one has a batch size of 256, and you, have to wait around until you have 256, things, to process before you can get started, we. Didn't want to do that so we designed our machine with a batch size of 1 so as soon as an image shows up we process it immediately to minimize latency, which. Maximizes, safety, we. Needed a GPU to run some post-processing at, the time we were doing quite a lot of that but we speculated, that, over, time the amount of post-processing on the GPU would decline as the neural networks got better and better and. That has actually come to pass so. We took a risk, by putting a fairly modest GPU in the design as you'll see and. That turned out to be a good bet, security. Super important if you don't have a secure car you can't have a safe car so, there's a lot of focus on security, and then of course safety. In. Terms of actually doing the chip design as. Elon, alluded earlier there, was really no ground-up. Neural network accelerator, in existence. In 2016. Everybody, out there was adding. Instructions, to their CPU or GPU or DSP to make it better for inference, but nobody was really just doing, it. Natively. So. We set out to do that ourselves and then for other components, on the chip we purchased, industry standard IP. For. CPUs and GPUs that. Allowed us to minimize the design, time and also the risk to. The program. Um. Another thing that was a little unexpected when I first arrived was our ability to leverage existing teams, at Tesla Tesla, had a wonderful power supply design teams signal, integrity analysis, package, design, system. Software, firmware. Board, designs and a really good system validation, program that we were able to take advantage of to accelerate this program, here's. What it looks like. Over. There on the right you see all the connectors for the video that comes in from all the cameras, that are in the car you, can see the two self-driving, computers, in the middle of the board and then on the left is the power supply and some control connections, and so. I really love it when a solution is boiled down to its barest elements, you have video computing, and power and, and. It's. Straightforward. And simple. Here's. The original hardware 2.5, enclosure that the computer went into and we've.
Been Shipping for the last two years here's, the new design, for the FS D computer, it's basically the same and, that of course is driven by the constraints, of having a retrofit, program for the cars, I'd. Like to point out that this is actually a pretty small computer, it fits behind the glove box between the glove box and the firewall in the car it does not take up half your trunk. As. I said earlier there's two fully independent, computers, on the board you, can see them they're highlighted, in blue and green to. Either side of the large, SOC, you can see the DRAM chips for that we use for storage and then below left you see the flash chips that, represent, the file system so these are two independent. Computers, that boot up and run their own operating system. Yeah. If I can add something that's the general, principle here, is that any part, of this could fail and the call will keep driving, so. You can have cameras fail you could have, power. Circuits, fail you could have one, of the Tesla. Full, strata for self-driving computer chips fail car. Keeps driving the. Probability, of the, computer failing is substantially. Lower than somebody, losing. Consciousness, that's. That's the key metric least an order of magnitude. Yep. So. One of the things that we additional. Thing we do to keep the machine going is to have redundant power supplies, in the car so, one one machines running on one just power supply and the other ones on the other the. Cameras are the same so, half of the cameras run on the blue, power supply of the other half round the green power supply and both, chips receive, all of the video and process. It independently. So. In terms of driving the car the, basic sequence is collect. Lots of information, from the world around you not, only do we have cameras we also have radar GPS, maps di, M use ultrasonic. Sensors around the car we, have wheel ticks steering, angle we know what the acceleration and deceleration of, the car is supposed to be all, of that gets integrated together to. Form a plan, once. We have a plan the. Two machines, exchange, their independent. Version, of the plan to make sure it's the same and assuming. That we agree we. Then act and drive the car now. Once you've driven the car with some new control you have what costs want to validate it so we validate, that what we transmitted, it was what we intend to transmit, to the other actuators. In the car and then, you can use the sensor suite to make sure that it happens so if you ask the car to accelerate or brake or steer right or left you can look at the accelerometers. And make sure that you are in fact doing that so, there's a tremendous amount of redundancy and overlap, in both, our data, acquisition. And our data monitoring, capabilities, here. Moving. On to talk about the full self-driving, chip a little bit. It's. Packaged, in a 37 point five millimeter, BGA, with 1600, balls most of those are used for powering ground but plenty for signal as well if. You take the lid off it looks, like this you can see the package substrate and you can see the dye sitting in the center there if, you take the dye off and flip it over it looks like this there's, 13,000.
C Four bumps scattered. Across the top of the dye and then under net underneath, that are twelve metal layers and if, you which, is obscuring, all the details of the design so, if you strip that off it. Looks like this. This is a 14, nanometer FinFET, CMOS, process, it's 260. Millimeters, in size which. Is a modest-sized iso for comparison. Typical, cell phone chip, is about a hundred millimeters square, which. So we're quite a bit bigger than that but, a high end GPU would, be more like six hundred eight hundred millimeter, square so so, we're sort of in the middle I would call it the sweet spot it's it's a comfortable size to build there's, 250, million logic, gates on there and a total of six billion transistors, which. Even. Even, though I work on this all the time that's mind boggling to me. The. Chip is manufactured. And tested to a ecq. 100 standards, which is a standard, automotive. Criteria. Next. I'd like to just walk around the chip and explain all the different pieces to it and I'm sort of gonna go in the order that a pixel coming in from the camera would visit all the different pieces so up, there in the top left you can see the cameras Euler interface we, can ingest, 2.5, billion pixels, per second which is more than enough to cover all the sensors that we know about we. Have an on-chip network that distributes, data from the memory system so, the pixels would travel across the network to the memory. Controllers, on the right and left edges of the chip we, use industry standard LP, ddr4. Memory running, at 400. 4266. Gigabits, per second, which, gives us a peak bandwidth the sixty-eight gigabytes, a second which, is a pretty healthy bandwidth, but again this is not like ridiculous, so we're sort of trying to stay in the comfortable sweet spot for cost reasons. The. Image signal processor has. A 24-bit, internal, pipeline, that, allows us to do take, full advantage, the HDR sensors, that we have around the car it, does advance tone mapping which helps to bring out details, and shadows and then, it has advanced noise reduction which just improves your overall quality. Of the images that we're using in the neural network the. Neural. Network accelerator. Itself, there's two of them on the chip they each have 32, megabytes of SRAM to hold temporary, results, and minimize the amount of data that we have to transmit on, and off the chip which helps reduce power each. Array has a 96. By 96 multiply. Add array, with, in place accumulation. Which, allows us to do. 10,000 multiply ads per cycle, there's. Dedicated, riilu Hardware dedicated, pooling hardware and the, each of these delivered, 306. Excuse. Me each one delivers 36, trillion operations per, second, and they operate at two gigahertz the, two of them together on a diet delivers 72, trillion. Operations a, second so we exceeded. Our goal of 50, tera. Ops by a fair bit. There's. Also a video encoder we, encode video and use it in a very variety of places in the car including the backup camera display. There's. Optionally, a user, feature for - camp and also. For a clip logging data, to the cloud which Stewart and Andre will talk about more later, there's. A GPU on the chip it's modest performance it has a support. For both 32. And 16, bit floating point and then, we have 12 a 72, 64-bit. CPUs for a general-purpose processing. They operate at 2.2, gigahertz and this represents, about two and a half times the performance available, in the current solution. There's. A safety system that contains two CPUs that operate in lockstep this, system is the final arbiter of whether it's safe to actually. Drive the actuators, in the car so, this is where the two plans come together and, we, decide whether it's safe or not to move forward and, lastly. There's a safety system and then basically the job of the safety system is to ensure that this, chip only runs software that's been cryptographically, signed, by Tesla. If. It's not been signed by Tesla then the chip, does not operate. Now. I've told you a lot of different performance numbers and I thought it'd be helpful maybe to put it into perspective a little bit so, throughout. This talk I'm going to talk about a neural network from, our narrow camera, it uses, 35, Giga 35, billion operations 35. Giga apps and if, we use all 12 CPUs, to. Process that network we, could do one-and-a-half frames per second which is super, slow I'm, not nearly adequate, to drive the car if, we use the 600 gigaflop GPU. The. Same network we'd get 17, frames per second which, is still not good enough to drive the car with a cameras, the. Neural network accelerators, on the chip can deliver 21. Frames per second and you can, see from the scaling, as we moved along that, the amount of computing in the CPU and, GPU are, basically insignificant. To, what's available in the neural network accelerator, it's, it's really is night and day. So.
Moving On to talk about the neural network accelerator, we're. Just gonna stop for some water. On. The, left there's a cartoon, of a neural network. Just. To give you an idea what's going on the. Data comes in at the top and visits each of the boxes and the, data flows along the arrows, to the different boxes the boxes are typically convolutions. Or d convolutions, with real ooze the, green boxes are pooling layers and. The. Important thing about this is that. The. Data produced by one box is then consumed by the next box and then you don't need it anymore you, can throw it away so all, of that temporary, data that, gets created and destroyed as you, flow through the network there's no need to store, that off chip and DRAM so we keep, all that data in SRAM, and I'll. Explain why that's super important in a few minutes if. You look over on the right side of this you. Can see that in this network of. The 35 billion operations almost, all of them are convolution, which is based on dot products the rest are deconvolution, also, based on dot product and then, riilu and pooling which are relatively. Simple operations. So. If you were designing some hardware you'd clearly, target. Doing dot products which, are based on multiply, add and really. Kill that, but. Imagine that you sped it up by a factor of 10,000. So. 100% all of a sudden turns into 0.1%, 0.01. Percent and suddenly. The riilu and pooling operations, are going to be quite significant, so, our hardware doesn't our hardware design includes dedicated, resources, for processing, riilu and pooling as well. Now. This, chip is operating, in a thermally constrained, environment, so. We had to be very careful, about how we burn. That power we want to maximize the amount of arithmetic we can do so. We, picked integer. Add, it's. Nine. Times less energy than a corresponding, floating-point add, and. We picked 8-bit I 8-bit, integer, multiply, which, is significantly, less power than other multiply, operations, and is probably, enough. Accuracy. To get good results in. Terms of memory we chose to use SRAM, as much as possible and you can see there that going. Off chip to DRAM is approximately, a hundred times more expensive in, terms of energy consumption than. Using. Local SRAM so clearly we want to use the local SRAM as much as possible in. Terms, of control this, is data that was published in a paper by Mark Horowitz, at is SCC where he sort of critiqued. How much power it takes to execute a single instruction on, a regular introduced.
CPU And you can see that the add operation. Is. Only 0.15, cent percent of the total power all the rest of the power is control overhead and bookkeeping so, in our design reset to basically. Get rid of all that as much as possible because. What we're really interested in is arithmetic, so. Here's the design that we finished. You. Can see that it's dominated by the 32, megabytes of SRAM there's, big banks on the left and right and in the center bottom. And then, all the computing, is done in the upper middle every. Single clock we read. 256. Bytes of activation, data out of the SRAM array. 128. Bytes of weight data out. Of the stra memory and we combined it in. A in. A 96, by 96 mole, at array which. Performs, 9000, multiply ads per clock at, 2 gigahertz that's a total of 3.6. 336. Point err 8 tera ops. Now. When we're done with a dot product we unload the engine so that we shift the data out across. The dedicated, riilu unit optionally. Across a pooling, unit and then finally, into a write buffer where all the results get aggregated. Up and then we write out 128. Bytes per cycle back into the SRAM and this. Whole thing cycles, along all the time continuously. So, we're doing. Dot products while we're unloading previously results, doing. Pooling and writing back into the memory if. You add it all up to. Your Hertz you need one terabyte, per second, of SRAM bandwidth, to support all that work. And so the hardware supplies that so. One terabyte per second, a bandwidth per engine there's, two on the chip two terabytes, per second. The. Chip has the accelerator. Has a relatively, small instruction, set we, have a DMA read operation, to bring data in from memory we have a DMA write operation, to push results back out to memory we, have three dot product based instructions, convolution. Deconvolution, inner, product and then, two relatively simple a scale, is a one, input one output up operation. And L wise is two inputs and one output and, then of course stop when. You're done. We. Had to develop a neural network compiler, for this so we take the neural network that's been trained by our vision team as it, would be deployed in the older, cars and when, you take that and compile it for use on the new accelerator. The. Compiler does. Layer fusion, which allows. Us to maximize the computing, each time we read data out of the SRAM and put it back it. Also does some smoothing, so. That the demands, on the memory system aren't, too lumpy and, then we, also do, channel. Channel. Padding to reduce bang conflicts, and we do Bank aware esterday allocation, and this, is a case where we could, have put more Hardware in the design to handle Bank conflicts, but. By pushing it into software we save Hardware in power at. The cost of some software complexity, we. Also automatically. Insert DMAs, into the graph so, that data arrives, just in time for computing without having to stall the machine and then at the end we generate all the code we. Generate all the weight data we, compress it and we add a CRC. Check sum, for reliability. To. Run a program, all, the neural network descriptions, our programs. Are loaded into SRAM, at. The start and, then they sit there ready to go all the time so. To run a network you, have to program the address, of the input buffer which presumably, is a new image that just arrived from a camera, you. Set the output buffer address, you set the pointer to the network weights and then, you set go and then, the machine, goes off and will sequence, through the entire neural network all by itself usually. Running for a million, two million cycles, and, then when it's done you get an interrupt and can post-process, the results. So. Moving. On to results. We. Had a goal to stay under 100 watts this. Is measured data from cars driving around running the full autopilot stack and we're dissipating, 72, watts which, is a little bit more power. Than. The previous design but with the dramatic improvement, in performance it's, still a pretty good answer of.
That 72, watts about 15 watts is, being consumed running the neural networks, in. Terms. Of costs the, silicon cost of this solution is about 80% of what we were paying before so. We are saving money by switching, to this solution and, in terms of performance we took the narrow camera, neural, network which I've been talking about that has 35, billion operations, in it we, ran it on the old hardware in, a loop as quick as possible and we delivered 110, frames per second we, took the same data the same network compile. It for hardware for, the new FST computer, and. Using all four accelerators, we can get 2,300, frames per second processed so, a factor, of 21, I, think. This this is perhaps the most significant, slide. It's. Night and day. I've. Never worked on a project where the performance, increase was more than three. So. This, was pretty fun. If. You compare it to say, in videos drive Xavier's solution, a single, chip delivers. 21, ter ops our. Full scope of driving computer with two chips is 144. Ter ops. So. To. Conclude I. Think we've created a design that delivers outstanding performance. 144. Tariffs for a neural network processing, it has outstanding, power performance we managed to jam all of that performance into the thermal, budget that we had it, enables, a fully redundant computing, solution, it has a modest, cost and really, the important thing is that this FST, computer, will enable a new level of safety and autonomy, in Tesla's, vehicles, without impact, their cost or range something. That I think we're all looking forward to, yeah. I think, when. We do Q&A after, each. Segment. So if people have cute questions, about the hardware they can ask right now. The. The reason I asked. Pete to do just, a detailed. Far. More detailed and perhaps most people. Would. Appreciate. Dive. Into the Tesla full, self-driving computer, is because it, at. First it seems improbable how could it be that Tesla, who, has never designed a chip before we're. Designed the best trip in the world but. That is objectively, what has occurred not, not best, by a small margin best, by a huge, Roger. It's. In the cars right now all. Tesla's, being produced right now have this computer. We. Switched over from the. Nvidia. Solution, for, SMX about, a month ago and, it switched, over, model. 3 about 10 days ago all. Cars, being produced have, the have, all the hardware necessary compute. And otherwise for full self-driving. I'll. Say that a game all Tesla, cars being produced right now have. Everything, necessary for, full self-driving, all. You need to do is, improve the software and, later. Today you will drive the cars with. The, development, version of the improved software and you will see for yourselves. Questions. Repeat. A trip, to three global equities research very. Very impressive in every shape and form I was, wondering, like I've I took some notes you, are using activation, function. Arielle. You the rectify linear unit. But. If we think about the. Deep. Neural networks, it has multiple layers and some. Algorithms. May use different activation. Functions, for, different hidden layers like. Soft, Max or tan, H, do. You have flexibility. For. Incorporating. Different. Activation. Functions, rather than Lu in your platform then I have a follow-up yes we do we, have informations, of tan edge and sigmoid for example beautiful. One, last question, like. In the, nanometers. You mentioned, 14 nanometers, as I. Was. Wondering wouldn't, make sense to come little lower maybe 10 nanometers. Two years down or maybe seven at the time we started the design not all the IP that we wanted to purchase was available in ten nanometer we, finish, the design in 14.
It's. Maybe worth pointing out that we finished, this design like, maybe wanted to have two years ago and began design if the next generation, we're. Not talking about the next generation today, but we're. About half way through it. That. Will all. The things that are obvious for a next-generation chip, we're doing. Oh hi. You. Talked about the. Software. As the piece now you did a great job I was blown away understood. Ten percent of what you said but I trust, that it's in good hands. Thanks. So. It. Feels like you got the hardware pieces done and. That was really hard to do and now, you have to do the software, piece now. Maybe that's outside of your expertise, but how should we think about, that. Software, piece what. Can ask for better introduction, talk to Andre and Stuart I think yeah are there any funding any questions for the chip part before the next, part of the presentation is neural. Nets and. Software. So. Maybe I'm the chip side the, last slide was 144. Chileans. Of operations, per second, versus was it Nvidia 21, that's right and. Maybe can you just contextualize, that for. A finance person why. That's so significant, that gap thank. You well, I mean it's a factor of seven and performance, Delta so that means you can do seven. Times as many frames you can run neural networks that are seven times larger and more sophisticated so. It's, a it's a very big. Currency. That you can spend on on lots of interesting things to make the car better I think. That Savior power usage, is higher. Than ours Xavier powers, I. Don't. Know that, it's. Like the. The. Best. Of my knowledge the gnudi power requirements. Would increase. At least to. The same degree of factor of seven and and. Costs, would also increase by a factor of seven. So. Yeah I mean how, power is a real problem because it also reduces range so. It has the penalty for power is very high and. Then you have to get rid of that power by. The. Thermal, problem becomes really significant, because. You had to get rid of all that power. Thank. You very much I think we, have you know a lot of. Ask. The questions if, you guys don't mind the day of running but long this we're, gonna do that the drive demos afterwards, so if you've got if you if you. If anybody, needs to pop out and do drive demos a little, sooner you're welcome to do that I do want to make sure we answer your questions, yep. Pradeep, Romani from UBS Intel. And AMD to some extent have started moving towards a chip lock based architecture. I, did, not notice a chaplet, based design. Here do you think that looking. Forward, that would be something that might be of interest to you guys from an architecture, standpoint a chip based architecture, yes. We're. Not currently considering, anything like that I think that's mostly useful when you need to use different, styles of technology, so if you want to integrate silicon. Germanium or, DRAM, technology on, the same silicon. Substrate that gets pretty interesting but. Until. The die size gets. Obnoxious. I wouldn't. Go there. To. Be clear the, strategy, here in it this is the started you. Know basically three little over three years ago where's. Design. Build a computer that is, fully. Optimized. And aiming for full self-driving then. Write, software that, is designed to work specifically, on that computer, and get the most out of that computer, so, you have tailored. To hardware that. Is that is a master, of one trade self-driving. The. In-video. Is a great company but they have many customers, and so, when as they as they apply their resources, they need to do. A generalized, solution. We. Care about one thing self-driving. So. That it was designed to do that incredibly, well the, software's also designed to run on that hardware incredibly. Well. And. The combination, of the software and the hardware I think is unbeatable, I. The. Chip is designed to process video input. In, case you use let's, say lidar would, it be able, to process, that as well or is that is it. Primarily. For video. Conversion, explain to you today is that lidar. Is is. A fool's errand and and, anyone, luck relying on with lidar is doomed. Doomed. Expensive. Expensive. Sensors. That. On are unnecessary. It's like having a whole bunch of a expensive. Appendices. Like. A one appendix is bad well now there won't put a whole bunch of them that's ridiculous. You'll. See. So. Just two questions on, just on the power consumption. Is there way to maybe give, us like a rule of thumb on you, know every watt is reduces. Range by certain. Percent or a certain amount just, so we can get a sense of how much.
A. Model, 3 the the. Target consumption, is 250. Watts per mile. It. Depends on the nature of the driving as, to how many miles that effect in city it would have a much bigger effect than on highway so. You. Know if you're driving. For, an hour in a, city. And. You had a solution. Hypothetically, that. You. Know was it was it was a kilowatt you'd lose four, miles. On. A model three, so. If you're only going say, 12. Miles an hour then. That's like there were to be a 25-cent impact in range in city it's, basically, powers, of the, power that the the, power of the system has a massive impact on city range which. Is where we think of most most of the Robo taxi market will be. It. So as powers extremely, important. I'm. Sorry I didn't, hear thank, you. What's the primary design objective, of the next-generation ship, we. Don't, want to talk too much about the next-generation ship but it's. It'll. Be at least let's, say three times better than, the current system. That's. About two years away. Is. Is the chip being made you, you don't mean you facture the chip you contract, that out and. How much cost reduction, does that, save. In the overall vehicle cost, the. The. 20% cost reduction I cited was the the piece cost per, vehicle reduction. Not. That wasn't a development, cost I was just the actual yeah I'm saying but like if I'm manufacturing. These in mass is, this saving money in doing, it yourself. Yes. A little. Bit I mean most chips are made for, most people don't make chips with there aren't valve it's a pretty, unusual I. Think. You. Don't see any supply, issues, with, getting, the chip mass-produced the. Cost saving pays for, the development. I mean, the basic strategy, going to Elon was we're, gonna build this chip it's gonna reduce the costs, Anil, on said times. A million cars a year deal. That's. Correct yes. Sorry, if they're really chip specific questions we can answer them others there will be a Q&A opportunity. After after, Andre, talks and and, after Stuart, talks so. There will be two other Q&A opportunities, this is very. Chip specific, then. I'll. Be here all afternoon yeah, and exactly if he will be here at the end as well so. Are. You thanks. That. Died photo, you had there's the. Neural processor, takes up quite a bit of the die I'm curious is that your own design, or there's. Some external IP there yes, that was the custom design for by Tesla and, then I guess the follow-on would be there's. Probably a fair amount of opportunity, to reduce that footprint, as you tweak the design. It's. Actually quite dense. So. In terms of reducing it I don't think so it'll, will, greatly, enhance the functional. Capabilities in, the next generation, okay. And then last question can you share where you're you're fabbing this part. Well. What where are we family yet oh as. Samsung. Yes. Thank. You. I've. Granted knockity-knock Apple, just. Curious how. Defensible. Your, chip, technologies. And design is from it from, a IP, point, of view and. Hoping. That you won't won't be offering a lot of the IP the outside for free Thanks. We. Have filed on the order of a dozen patents on this technology. Fundamentally. It's linear algebra, which I don't think you can patent ah not. Sure. I. Think. If somebody, started today and, they, were really good they, might have something like what we have right now in three. Years. At. But in two years we'll have something something three times better. Talking. About the intellectual property protection, you have the best intellectual, property, and some. People just steal. It for, the fun of it I was, wondering if. We look at a few interactions. With Aurora. That companies, to industry. Believes they stole your intellectual. Property, I think, the key ingredient. That you need to protect is the weights that associate, to various parameters, do, you think your chip can do something, to, prevent, anybody. Maybe encrypt all the weights so that even you don't know what the way it's are at. The chip level so, that your intellectual property remains. Inside. It and nobody knows about it and nobody can, just, feel it.
When. I'd like to meet the person I could do that because they were out higher than heartbeat, yeah. It's a really hard problem. Yeah. I mean. We do encrypt the the. It's. It's a hard, trip to crack so, if they can crack it's very good so give any crack it and then also. Also figure out the software and the neural net system and everything else they. Can design it from scratch like. That's that's all it's, our intention to prevent people from stealing all that stuff I mean if, they do we hope it at least takes a long time it, will definitely take them a long time yeah. I mean, I felt like if we were if it was our goal to do that how would we do it you're very difficult. But. The thing that's I think a very powerful, sustainable. Advantage for us is the fleet nobody. Has the fleet those. Weights are constantly, being updated and, improved based. On billions of miles driven. Tesla. Has a hundred, times more cars with the. Full self-driving Hardware than everyone, else combined. You. Know we we, have. By. The end of this quarter we'll have 500,000. Cars with the full eight, camera set up twelve ultrasonics. Someone. Will still be on Hardware too but. We're still have the data gathering ability. And. Then by a year, from now we'll, have over, a million cars with full, self-driving, computer. Hardware, everything. Yeah. Should. We have fun it's just a massive data advantage it's similar to like you know how like, the. Google search engine has a massive advantage because, people use it and people. The people are programming, effectively. Program Google with the queries and the results. They just press. You on that and please reframe, the questions I'm a tackle, a man if it's appropriate but you, know when we talked to way mo or Nvidia. They do speak with equivalent, conviction, about their leadership because of their competence. In simulating. Miles. Driven can. You talk about the advantage of having real-world, miles versus, simulated, miles because I think they expressed, that you know by the time you get a million miles they can simulate a billion, and no, Formula One racecar driver for example could, ever successfully. Complete, a real-world track, without driving in a simulator can, you talk about the advantages, it. Sounds like the that you perceived, to have associated. With having data. Ingestion, coming, from real-world miles versus, simulated, miles. Absolutely. The, simulator. We. Have a quite. A good simulation, too but, it's just it. Does not capture the long tail of weird things that happen in the real world if the simulation fully, captured, the real world. Well. I mean. That would be proof that we're living in a simulation I think. Yeah. It. Doesn't I wish. But. It simulations. Do not capture the real world they. Don't the, real worlds really weird and messy, you, need the you need the cars. In the road. And. We actually it get it get into that in Andre and Stuart's presentation, yeah. So, okay when we move on to to Andre. The. Last question was actually a very good Segway because. One thing to remember about our F is the computer, is that it can run much. More complex, neural nets for, much, more precise, image, recognition and. To. Talk to you about how we actually get, that image data and how we analyze them we have our senior, director, of AI. Andre. Potty who's gonna explain, all of that to you, Andre, has a PhD. From Stanford University. Where. He studied computer science, focusing. On education recognition, and deep learning Andre. Why don't you just talk do your own intro yes there's a lot of PhDs from Stanford, that's not important, yes okay we don't care come on Thank. You. Andre. Started, the computer vision class at Stanford that's much more significant. That's what matters just a so if, you please talk. About your background in. A.
Way. That is not bashful. Just, tell. Me about the secreto yeah and then sure yeah, so yeah I think I've, been training neural networks basically for what is now a decade and these. Neural networks were not actually really, used in the industry until maybe five or six years ago so it's been some time that I've been trained these neural networks and that included you know institutions at Stanford at at. Opening. I at Google and really. Just training a lot of neural networks not just for images but also for natural language and designing. Architectures, that coupled those two modalities. For for, my PhD. So. Really computers computer science class oh yeah and at Stanford, actually taught the convolutional, neural networks class and. So I was the primary instructor for that class I actually started the course and designed, the entire curriculum so, in the beginning it was about 150, students and then it grew to 700, students over the next two or three years so it's a very popular class as one of the largest classes at Stanford right now so that was also really successful, I mean I under a is like really one of the best computer vision people in the world arguably, the best. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So hello. Everyone so. Pete told you all about the chip that we've designed that runs neural networks in the car my. Team is responsible for training, of the these neural networks and that includes all of data collection from the fleet neural, network training and then some of the deployment on to that. So. What. Do then you know that works do exactly. In the car so, what we are seeing here is a stream. Of videos from across the vehicle across the car these, are eight cameras that send, us videos and then these neural networks are looking at those videos and are processing. Them and making predictions about what they're seeing and so, the some of the things that we're interested in there's some of the things you're seeing on this visualization here are lane, line markings other objects, the distances to those objects, what we call drawable space shown, in blue which is where the car is allowed to go and a, lot of other predictions like traffic lights traffic signs and so on. Now. For. My talk I will talk roughly, into in three stages so first I'm going to give you a short primer on neural networks and how they work and how they're trained and I, need to do this because I need to explain, in the second part why, it is such a big deal that we have the fleet and why it's so important, and why it's, a key enabling factor to really training this you know networks and making, them work effectively on, the roads and in the third stage I'll talk about a vision and lidar and how we can estimate depth, just from vision alone. So. The core problem that these networks are solving in the car is that a visual recognition so. Four unites these are very this is a very simple problem you. Can look at all of these four images and you can see that they contain a cello about an iguana, or scissors, so. This is very simple and effortless, for, us this, is not the case for computers and, the reason for that is that these images are to, a computer. Really. Just a massive grid of pixels and at. Each pixel you have the brightness value at, that point and so, instead of just, seeing an image a computer really gets a million numbers, in a grid that tell you the brightness values at all the positions the major rows if you will, it. Really is the matrix yeah. And, so, we have to go from that grid of pixels and brightness values into high level concepts like iguana and so on and as. You might imagine this, iguana has a certain pattern of brightness values but, iguanas, actually can take on many appearances so they can be in many different appearances, different, poses and different brightness conditions against. The different backgrounds you can have a different crops of that iguana and so we have to be robust across all those conditions and we have to understand, that all those different brightness power patterns. Actually correspond, to they go on us now, the reason you and I are very good at this is because we have a massive neural network inside, our heads, there's processing, those images so, light, hits the retina travels, to the back of your brain to the visual cortex and the, visual cortex consists of many neurons that are wired together and that, are doing all the pattern recognition on top of those images and. Really. Over the last I, would say about five years, the. State of the art approaches, to processing, images using computers have also. Started. To use neural, networks but in this case artificial, neural networks but, these. Artificial neural networks and this is just a cartoon, diagram of it are, a very rough mathematical, approximation, to your visual cortex we'll really do have neurons and they are connected together and here, I'm only showing three or four neurons in three or four in four, layers but, a typical neural network will have tens to, hundreds of millions of neurons and each neuron will have a thousand, connections so these are really large pieces.
Of Almost simulated, tissue and. Then, what we can do is we can take those neural networks and we can show them images so for example I can feed my iguana into, this neural network and the, network will make predictions about what it's seen now, in the beginning these neural networks are initialized completely, randomly so the connection strengths between all those different neurons are completely random and therefore, the predictions, of that network are also going to be completely random so, it might think that you're, actually looking at a boat right now and it's very unlikely that this is actually an iguana and during. The training during. A training process really what we're doing is we, know that that's actually in iguana we have a label so what we're doing is we're, basically saying, we'd. Like the probability of iguana to be larger for this image and the probability of all the other things to go down and, then, there's a mathematical process called back propagation stochastic, gradient descent that, allows us to back propagate that signal through those connections and, update. Every one of those connections. Sorry, and update, every one of those connections just a little amount and once. The update is complete the probability, of iguana for this image will go up a little bit so it might become 14 percent and the property of the other things will go down and of, course we don't just do this for this single image we actually have entire large data sets that are labeled so, we have lots of images typically you might have millions, of images thousands. Of labels or something like that and you are doing forward backward passes over and over again so you're showing the computer here's an image it has opinion and then you're saying this is the correct answer and it Tunes itself a little bit you repeat this millions, of times and you sometimes you show images the same image to the computer you, know hundreds of times as well so, the, network training typically, will take on the order of few hours or a few days depending, on how big of a network you're training and. That's. The process of training a neural network now, there's something very unintuitive about the way neural networks work that I have to really get into and that is that. They really do require a lot of these examples and they really do start from scratch they know nothing and it's really hard to wrap your head around it around this so. As an example here's a cute dog and you, probably may not know the breed of this dog but the, correct answer is that this is a Japanese spaniel now, all of us are looking at this and we're seeing Japanese, spaniel we're like okay I got it I understand kind of what, this Japanese spaniel looks like and if I show you a few more images of, other. Dogs you can probably pick out other Japanese spaniels here so in particular those three look like a Japanese spaniel and the other ones do not so. You can do this very quickly and you need one example but computers do not work like this they actually need a ton of data of Japanese spaniels so, this is a grid of Japanese spaniels showing, them you need a source of examples showing them in different poses different brightness conditions different backgrounds different crops. You, really need to teach the computer from, all the different angles what this Japanese spaniel looks like and it really requires all that data to get that to work otherwise, the computer can't pick up on that pattern automatically. So. With us all this imply about the setting of self-driving of course we don't care about dog breeds too much maybe we will at some point but for now we really care about Ling line markings objects. Where they are where we can drive and so on so. The way we do this is we don't have labels like iguana for images but we do have images from the fleet like this and we're interested in for example in line markings so, we, a human, typically, goes into an image and using. A mouse annotates. The lane line markings so here's an example of an annotation that a human could create a label for this image and it's. Saying that that's what you should be seeing in this image these are the line line markings and then, what we can do is we can go to the fleet and we can ask for more images from the fleet and if. You ask the fleet if you just do a neat job of this and you just ask for images at random the fleet might respond with images, like this typically.
Going Forward on some highway this, is what. You. Might just get like a random collection like this and we would annotate all that data. If you're not careful and you only annotate a random distribution of this data your. Network will kind of pick up on this this random, distribution on data and work only in that regime so, if you show it slightly different example. For. Example here is an image, that. Actually the road, is curving and it is a bit of a more residential neighborhood then. If you show the neural network this, image that network might make a prediction that is incorrect it might say that okay well I've seen lots of times on highways lanes, just go forward so here's a possible prediction and, of course this is very incorrect but, the. Neural network really can't be blamed it does not know that the Train on the the, tree on the left whether or not it matters or not it does not know if the car on the right matters or not towards, the lane line it does not know that the that. The buildings. In the background matter, or not it really starts completely from scratch and you, and I know that the truth is that none of those things matter what actually matters is that there are a few white, lane line markings over there and in a vanishing point and the fact that they curl a little bit should, pull the prediction. Except. There's, no mechanism by which we can just tell the neural network hey those Linga line markings actually matter the only tool, in the toolbox that we have is labelled, data so, what we do is mean to take images like this when the network fails and, we need to label them correctly, so in this case we will turn the, lane to the right and then, we need to feed lots of images of this to the neural net and neural, that over time will accumulate, will basically pick up on this pattern that those things there don't matter but, those leg line markings do and we learn to predict the correct lane. So. What's really critical is not just the scale of the data set we don't just want millions of images we actually need to do a really good job of covering the possible space of things, that the car might encounter on the roads so we need to teach the computer how to handle, scenarios. Where it's light and wet you, have all these different specular, reflections, and as you might imagine the, brightness patterns and these images will look very different we. Have to teach the computer how to deal with shadows how, to deal with Forks. In the road how. To deal with large objects, that might be taking up most of that image how, to deal with tunnels or how to do with construction sites and in, all these cases there's, no again explicit, mechanism to tell the network what to do we, only have massive amounts of data we want to source all those images and we, want to annotate, the correct lines and the network will pick up on the patterns of those, now. Large, and very datasets basically, make these networks work very well this is not just a finding for us here at Tesla this is a ubiquitous, finding, across the entire industry so. Experiments. And research from Google, from facebook from Baidu, from. Alphabets. Deepmind all show similar plots where, neural, networks really love data, and love scale and variety, as you, add more data these neural networks start to work better and get higher accuracies, for free so, more, data just makes them work better, now. A number. Of companies have a number of people have kind of pointed out that potentially we could use simulation, to actually achieve, the scale of the data sets and we're, in charge of a lot of the conditions here and maybe we can achieve some variety, in a simulator now, at Tesla and that was also kind of brought up into question questions.
Just, Just before this now, at Tesla this is actually a, screenshot. Of our own simulator we use simulation. Extensively. Who use it to develop and evaluate the software we've also even used it for training quite successfully, so but. Really when. It comes to training data from neural networks there really is no substitute for real data the. Simulator. Simulations. Have, a lot of trouble with modeling. Appearance physics, and the, behaviors of all the agents around you so. There. Are some examples to really try that point across the, real world really throws a lot of crazy, stuff at you so. In this case for example we have very complicated environments, with snow with trees with wind we, have various. Visual artifacts that are hard to simulate potentially, we, have complicated, construction sites, bushes. And, plastic. Bags that can go in that can kind. Of go around with the wind, complicated. Construction sites that might feature lots of people kids, animals all mixed in and simulating. How those things interact and flow through this construction zone might actually be completing completely, intractable it's, not about the movement of any one pedestrian in there it's about how they respond to each other and how those cars will, respond to each other and how they respond to you driving in that setting, and. All. Of those are actually really tricky to simulate it's, almost like you have to solve the self-driving problem, to, just simulate, other cars in your simulation so it's, really complicated so we have dogs, exotic. Animals and in, some cases it's not even that, you can't simulate it is that you can't even come up with yeah so for example I didn't, know that you can have truck on truck on truck like that but, in the real world you find this and you find lots of other things that are very hard to really, even come up with so, really the variety that I'm seeing in the data coming from the fleet is just. Crazy. With respect to what we have in a simulator we have a really good simulator. Like. Simulation. You're fundamentally a grain you're grading, your own homework so. You, you, know you if you know that you're gonna simulate it, okay. You can definitely solve for it but as Andre is saying you, don't know what you don't know the world is very, weird. And it has. Millions. Of corner cases, and. If. You somebody, can produce, a self-driving, simulation, that, accurately, matches reality that. In itself would be in a monumental. Achievement of, human. Capability they. Can't there's, no way. Yeah. So. I, think. The three points are I really try to drive home until, now are to. Get neural networks to work well you require these three essentials, you require a large data set a very, data set and a real data set and. If, you have those capabilities you, can actually train your networks and make them work very well and so. Why is Tesla in such a unique and interesting position, to really get all these three essentials right and. The answer to that of course is the fleet. We. Can really source data from it and make our neural network systems work extremely well so. Let me take you through a concrete example of for. Example making. The object detector work better to give you a sense of how we develop these in all that works how we iterate on them and how we actually get them to work overtime so. Object detection is something we care a lot about we'd like to put bounding boxes around say the cars and the objects, here because we need to track them and we to understand how they might move around, so, again, we might ask human annotators to give us some annotations, for these and humans. Might go in and might tell you that ok those patterns over there are cars and bicycles, and so on and you can train your no network on this but, if you're not careful the, neural network all will make miss predictions in some cases so as an example if we stumble by a car like this that has a bike on the back of it then, the neural network actually went when I joined, would.
Actually Create two deductions. It would create a car, deduction and a bicycle deduction and that's, actually kind of correct, because I guess both of those objects actually, exist but for the purposes of the controller and a planner downstream, you really don't want to deal. With the fact that this bicycle can go with the car the truth is that, that bike, is attached to that car so in terms of like just objects on the road there's a single object a single, car and so, what you'd like to do now is you'd like to just potentially annotate, lots, of those images as this is just a single car so. The process that we that we go through internally, in the team is that. We take this image or a few, images that show this pattern, and we, have a mechanism a machine learning mechanism by which we can ask the fleet to, source us examples, that look like that and the. Fleet might respond with images that contains those patterns so as an example these six images might come from the fleet they all contain bikes, on backs of cars and. We. Would go in and we would annotate all those as just a single car and then, the performance of that detector, actually improves and the network, internally, understands, that hey when the bike is just attached to the car that's actually just a single car and it can learn that given enough examples and that's how we've sort of fixed that problem, I will. Mention that I talked quite a bit about sourcing, data from the fleet I just want to make a quick point that we've designed this from, the beginning with privacy in mind and all the data that we used for training is anonymized. Now. The fleet doesn't just respond with bicycles, on backs of cars we look for all the things we look for lots of things all the time so for, example we look for boats and the fleet can respond with boats we look from construction sites and the, fleet can send us lots of construction sites from across the world we, look for even slightly, more rare cases so for example finding debris on the road is, pretty important to us, so these are examples of images that have streamed, to us from the fleet that show tires, cones. Plastic. Bags and things like that if we can source these at scale we can annotate them correctly and then your network will learn how to deal with them in the world here's. Another example animals. Of course also a very rare occurrence an event but we wanted a neural network to really understand what's going on here that these are animals and we want to deal with that correctly, so. To summarize, the. Process. By, which we iterate on neural network predictions looked something like this we, start with a seed data set that was potentially sourced at random we, annotate that data set and then, we train your networks on that data set and put, that in the car and then. We, have mechanisms by which we notice inaccuracies, in the car when, this detector may, be misbehaving, so for example if we. Detect that the neural network might be uncertain, or if, we detect that. Or. If there's a driver intervention, or any of those settings we can create this trigger infrastructure, that sends us data of those inaccuracies and so, for example if we don't, perform very well on Lane line detection on tunnels then we can notice, that there's a problem in tunnels that, image would enter our unit tests so we can verify that we've actually fixing the problem over time but, now what you do is to fix this inaccuracy. You need to source many more examples that look like that so, we asked the fleet to please send us many more tunnels and then, we label all those tunnels correctly, we incorporate that into the training set and we retrain the network redeploy. And iterate. The cycle over and over again and so. We refer to this iterative, process by which we improve these predictions, as the, data engine so. Iteratively. Deploying. Something potentially in shadow mode, sourcing. Inaccuracies, and incorporating, the training set over and over again and we do this basically for all the predictions of these neural networks now. So, far I've talked, about a lot of explicit, labeling, so. Like. I mentioned we asked people to annotate data this. Is an expensive process in time, and also. Respect. Oh yeah, it's just an expensive process and so, these annotations, of course can be very. Expensive to achieve, so, what I want to talk about also is really. To utilize the power of the fleet you don't want to go through this human annotation bottleneck you want to just stream in data and automate it automatically, and we have multiple mechanisms by which we can do this so. As one example of a project that we recently. Worked. On is the, detection of currents so you're driving down the highway someone. Is on the left or on the right and they, cut in in front of you into your lane so, here's a video showing.
The Autopilot detecting, that this car, is, intruding, into our lane now. Of, course we'd like to detect a current as fast as possible, so the, way we approach this problem is we don't write explicit, a code, for is the left blinker on is a right blinker on track. The keyboard over time and see if it's moving horizontally we. Actually use a fleet learning approach so the way this works is we, ask. The, fleet to please send us data whenever they see a car transition, from a right lane to the center or from left to Center and then what, we do is we rewind. Time backwards and we, automatically, can annotate that hey that car will turn will in 1.3 seconds cut in in front of the on preview and then we can use that for training than your lat and so, the neural net will automatically, pick up on a lot of these patterns, so for example the cars are typically Yod then, moving this way maybe the blinker is on all that stuff happens internally inside the neural net just, from these examples so, we ask the fleet to automatically, send out all this data we can get half a million or so images and all. Of these would be annotated for currents and then, we train the network and. Then we took, this cut in network and we deployed it to the fleet but we don't turn it on yet we run it in shadow mode and in. Shadow mode the network is always making predictions hey I think this, vehicle is going to cut in from the way it looks this vehicle is going to cut in and then we look for mispredictions so. As an example this. Is an clip, that, we had from shadow mode of the cutting Network and it's. Kind of hard to see but the network thought that the vehicle right ahead of us and on the right is going to cut in and you can sort of see that it's it's slightly flirting, where the lane line is trying, to it's sort of encroaching a little bit and the network got excited and it thought that that was going to be current that vehicle will actually end up in our center lane that turns out to be incorrect and the vehicle did not actually do that so, what we do now is we just turn, the data engine we, source that. Ran in the shadow mode is making predictions it makes some false positives and there are some false negative detections so, we got overexcited, and sometimes and sometimes we missed a current when it actually happened all, those create a trigger that, streams to us and that, gets incorporated now, for free there's no humans, harmed in the process of labeling this data incorporated. For free into our training set we retrain the network and redeploy the shadow mode and so, we can spin, this a few times and we always look at the false positives and negatives coming from the fleet and once, we're happy with the false positive false negative 3 sure we actually flip the bit and actually let. The car, control. To that Network and so you may have noticed we actually shipped one of our first versions of a copy intact architecture. Approximately. I think three months ago so if you've noticed that the car is much better at detecting currents that's, fleet learning operating. At scale. Yes. It actually works quite nicely so. Let's. Plate learning no humans were harmed in the process it's, just a lot of neural network training based on data and a lot of shadow mode. Looking at those results, another. Base essentially like. Everyone's. Training, the network all the time is what it amounts to whether that whether order to order Pollux on or off the. Network is being trained, every. Mile that's driven, for. The car th
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For the guy's comment about others being able to buy a bunch of teslas and starting their own car share company, as silly as that already sounds, only Tesla can robo remote control the cars after dropping off a passenger intelligently to the next person needing a ride. Uber seriously will be hurt..
What future census will be regarded for a household with Tesla car. Saudis made Sofia robot citizenship. How about Tesla +Sofia?
Oh my god NO TALKING UNTIL YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE.
Does the stuttering video stop?
Much like radio is largely attributed to homogenizing languages and eliminating many regional dialects across the globe, I can't help but wonder if one day thanks to autonomous cars, drivers in, for instance, Los Angeles will drive in the same style as drivers from Big Sur. Regional courtesies and aggressiveness may all become but a fuzzy, fading memory.
Thoracius Appotite only when all cars on the road are autonomous.
Not only getting new things done, but also urging slow movers (regulators) to adapt faster. Tesla technology will new world power to save lives, on the road or prevent wars by bringing humanity together for common cause.
The future is now.
Lol
Shouldn’t there also be a sound sensor to hear sirens, honks, etc.
CodeF53 it has rear cameras and would see any approaching ambulance. It would also see everyone pulling over. I can think of a ton of ways to safely avoid emergency vehicles that don’t rely on audio.
+ophello if the car can't see an emergency vehicle in the case where you would hear its sirens to pull over, that's a problem
I doubt it. Horns are to alert humans who only have two eyes and are only looking in one direction. There’s nothing the tesla can’t see with its suite of sensors. Horns will be redundant, as will hearing.
One thing I wonder about, is if the tesla knows how to yeild to ambulances
It would need two microphones for stereo sound. I have to believe that they have this already as any human will know that someone honking a horn is a means to get your attention and a vital input.
Excellent point! looking forward to seeing Tesla's answer to this .. Also an odor/ humidity sensor?
Can I use my (next) Tesla NNA to mine bitcoins? :D
Nope. Bitcoin hash SHA256 is 32-bit, these guys are using 8-bit computers. There's nothing new except the use case.
Message to Elon Musk: The world does not care about self-driving. Drivers want to drive the cars and NOT BE BAGGAGE.
I'm totally down for this when they have improved the software. I planned to get a long range model 3 in the next year or so and was gonna omit the self driving feature. But seeing this i really wanna dee where ite gonna go. Mind you im a truck driver, i spend more time on the rosd than most people. And i love driving, but most of the jerks on the road wanna be on their phone and not concentrate on operating their vehicles. I say let em be on their phones. And let the cars keep everyone safer.
Andre Nyc: Except that my horse is faster and safer than yours. Plus it shows off my incredible horsemanship skills. Electric vs gas have nothing to do with self-driving or not. Gasoline cars can easily be self-driving if that is what the world wanted. The world just has never wanted that and still doesn't. I want an electric car, just not a Tesla in large part because of the self-driving junk in it.
Yes, some people will always prefer riding horses to using cars, buses and trains. Some can afford, some not. The world doesn't care either way really, although it would also probably prefer not to risk the chance to be incinerated out of existence by excessive carbon emissions.
Hahaha “it really is the matrix” neo and the walls of numbers and matrix multiplication for neural nets....
How does a very shallow sun angle affect the cameras? Can the cameras put on shades?
I have never downloaded any Utube files before. Nothing really worth doing so. But, this one does. Thanks to Elon and team for hard work.
linear to exponential and some people what no steering wheel? I wished someone asked about police having the ability to end high speed chase, telling the difference between drunk peeps vs sober, communicating with pedestrians letting them know the car is aware of pedestrians intent. And 90 thousand people die from falling asleep enough said, oh and road rage?
There have been 2 moments in my life where my mouth dropped and I saw a true turning point in tech. The first was when Steve Jobs presented the first iPhone. The first words out of my mouth were “time to buy Apple stock”. The second was when I read the range, speed, and pricing specs of the Tesla Roadster. I bought TSLA at $20 a share. This is the third. Tesla has an insane competitive advantage with a technology that is going to revolutionize transportation. All sectors of the economy that rely on the current system are going to go the way of the blackberry. When they flip that switch and turn the fleet on the shit is going to hit the fan on a monumental scale.
Could not agree with you more. I too watched Steve jobs and smiled that day. I already owned a ton of Apple stock at that point.
Hurry and sell your lift stock, GM stock, trucking stock and buy tesla
And this is how Skynet was born.
This is how Theranos was born.
A whole shit-ton of professional drivers are about to be out of work.
Unlikely, but if costs do follow economies of scale and tesla's fleet goes to cents on the mile, then public transportation will be at risk as well as increase in road taxes. Buses run "by schedule", this fleet will be "just in time" .
I was thinking that they would just hire out their Teslas in the network let the car do the work. They make money while they are out having fun. That is what I was thinking of doing.
Good.
B J yeah, my horse and buggy aren’t going anywhere! You’re a dumb ass.
Maybe not today but in the near future. I give it 5 years. Also, it depends on regulatory approvals which will be pushed hard by huge carriers.
lol not a chance buddy keep dreaming
Now I know who is talking in my phone
49:00 Musk is undeniably very, very smart.
All the analysts... @_@.... z z. Z. Z. Z Can I listen to music on Autonomy Mode?
What’s the point of Tesla’s have amazing speed and acceleration if in the future you can never drive it your self
+Daniel Roig That is one way to look at it if you choose to see it. You could also look at it that now you won't need to deal with the car in getting back and forth to where you need to go. You can focus on what you are interested in/the task at hand. BTW if you have a smart phone near you your privacy is already gone. You usually leave your car behind when you go to do something. The phone you don't. Much more "supervision" via the phone. You create the world that you live.
Creeperf4ce: The hidden plan is to remove control from the occupants of the car. Typical silicon valley control freaks. Take away all your control and privacy and have you by the balls.
FunScientifix I’m saying if they remove the steering wheel and take away all user control I’m for everything else talked about besides removal of pedals and steering wheel
It's a car. You can still do it if you want. Make that brain work a bit
Bingo.
This proves confidence is overrated. They sound so nervous and geeky but that's the whole point. They are geniuses, not smooth politicians.
Ohhh I can't wait to short Uber as soon as it IPOs
Why is Tesla current market cap at 47billion? And Uber will IPO at 100 billion??? Uber and lyft are having trouble with getting drivers now.
This presentation dooms Uber. They can’t catch up with robo fleets and they can’t compete with them. From this POV go long TSLA and short Uber after it’s IPO.
Tesla is on the move
Tesla is using 8-bit multiplies which will produce a 16-bit result. NVidia CUDA cores use at least 32-bit multiplies which produce 64-bit results. Tesla is comparing apples to oranges. 144 TOPs at 8-bit is not better than 21 TOPs at 32-bit. If you notice the gentleman speaking @17:38 says 8 bit by 8-bit integer multiply which is 'probably enough' accuracy to get by. When was the last time any of you folks used an 8-bit computer? Sure it will produce 'some result' fast - but is it guaranteed to be the right result? Lowering the resolution this way without knowing for sure is scary - be wary. This is not really a jump in technology it is a jump in specsmanship.
PeTalk: More bits is not faster, less bits is faster. More bits is more accuracy in the calculations all things being equal, and more larger addressing range if applied to memory access. The question is whether or not 8-bit pixel frame data has enough detail and if the dot product against this data is good enough resolution. If the Tesla experts say yes then I have to believe them since they did the research. My gut on the other hand says hell no.
Your argument reminds me of the microprocessor wars where more bits or faster clock times implies better processing speed. The truth was the instruction architecture was an important factor that was hard to explain in the marketing materials (e.g. ARM micro vs Pentium). The neural net does not need color. Most of those bits in a graphics processor are because of the wide color gambit needed for modern displays. The neural net only uses video amplitude (brightness) thus the 8-bits in the calculations are fine. The best way to view performance is the frame rate. The one slide said it all. 2100 frames per second!!!
No, what you're describing are he kind of details they were referencing when they said NVIDA created a processor for generalist purposes, but Tesla's device is very much a specialist. They're able to make it very lean and only have the very specific capabilities it needs to perform the task at hand.
This is literally insane. Like I cant even wrap my brain around the implications of what they are planning
+Ted Kidd bullshit
Don't drive the car. You will still feel that way, just with the absolute certainty that it will happen instead of the skepticism "no way, that can't just be 2 years away!" Just took a 3300 mile trip to Florida. Car drove 95% of the way.
Did I understand this correctly? If you have a FSD Tesla it will only operate on Teslas ride share app? So I can't make money with my FSD Tesla on Lyft or Uber? If so I can see Tesla offering up the company owned cars (100% of the fare goes to Tesla) first for a ride and if none happen to be around they might throw the ride your way. Pretty much capping what you will make as the private owner of a FSD Tesla..
They were talking past each other because the reporter is an imbecile, and Elon didn't understand how stupid the guy was. It won't drive itself for Uber, you will have to drive it. Will you work for $3 an hour? When you take the human out of the equation the cost per mile goes way down. Businesses that require the human have so much additional cost they can't compete.
mining bitcoin on that thing would be great
it was a joke
Maybe not. The reason they were able to get really great performance was because they designed it to focus completely on solving only one type of problem. I don't know enough about the details to judge, but it may actually be terrible at mining bitcoin.
No HD maps & LIADRS
elon copied the design from spacex. They have a lot of redundancy systems
That's the design for every high-risk product everywhere -- not exclusive to SpaceX, Tesla, or anyone else.
People are not allowed to drive 2 tons of death machines. No steering wheel
Nirav Patel your grammar is off. It’s “People should not be allowed to drive two-ton death machines.”
Elon’s knowledge is just outstanding. He has all answers for any questions.
Not only that, but he *processes* possible answers, answers as well as he can, and if he doesn't know he will say so - if he realizes he made a mistake, he'll immediate recognize and admit it. How refreshing!
Exactly, I was thinking same.
elon hire best in world of their field of hardware and software
So they got a chip, but the Level 4 / 5 autonomous software doesn't exist ..... LOL .. this is the same position they claimed to be at several years ago ... after which admitted the hardware was not adequate ... here we go again ... Tesla shouldn't be selling options that don't exist yet, this is simply wrong.
+PeTalk Let me know when Tesla demonstrates Level 4 Autonomy in the USA, or even in France, LOL. Did you know that level 4 autonomy from Coast-to-Coast was demonstrated by other companies several years ago, and those in France do not refute that accomplishment.
And in 1900 EVERYONE KNEW that a heavier than air machine cannot fly! Did you know that the Wright brothers had to disassemble their plane and ship it by boat to France in order to get the newspapers (mass media of the day) to report that they had a flying "machine"? The reporters in the USA would not write the story because either they did not believe the story or they thought their readers would not believe it.
I think that guy needs some lessons on public speaking especially if he's representing Tesla.
+Chris I wasn't speaking of Elon, I was talking about the guy who was explaining the computer chips at the very beginning. Althoug Elon isn't the best speaker, but I do enjoy his uniqueness, and I don't have any problems with it. And he seems comfortable talking in front of groups of people.
+Jared Stewart I wasn't speaking of Elon, I was talking about the guy who was explaining the computer chips at the very beginning. Althoug Elon isn't the best speaker, but I do enjoy his uniqueness, and I don't have any problems with it. And he seems comfortable talking in front of groups of people.
+Big Dream I wasn't speaking of Elon, I was talking about the guy who was explaining the computer chips at the very beginning. Althoug Elon isn't the best speaker, but I do enjoy his uniqueness, and I don't have any problems with it. And he seems comfortable talking in front of groups of people.
+Jared Stewart Exactly. Most CEOs come out of sales or marketing, so are expert communicators. Elon, though, is an engineer/scientist at heart. That's much rarer in a CEO and has given him some significant advantages -- though it also has the accompanying communication disadvantage relative to what people are used to.
If you know anything about Elon it’s how he is. He doesn’t need public speaking lessons. There is probably so much knowledge in his brain it’s hard for him to put it into dumb down words for stupid people. I had a best friend that was the same way, he is so smart that he has trouble talking to normal people because he has to dumb down what he says.
Hes one of the highest paid people on the face of this planet, no ones teaching that guy english xD
Disappointed with the questions. People seemed to want to brag about their own knowledge rather than ask relevant questions. Reasonble questions would be ”what is the current capability with regards to city driving” etc.
+Jonathan Plackett Gentlemen. What would you have asked if you were there?
totally agree - or just questions that are super inane / boring / irrelevant. reminds me of the talk he did about going to Mars and the idiots asking questions about that. Tesla need to get some better audience members!
Tesla is so great, executives are jumping ship at a record pace and 40% of the Board of Directors quit. This company is a joke.
and customer service sucks. But don't drive the car. DO NOT DRIVE IT!! You will desire it. You will suffer all the pain of uncertain delivery experience, painful customer experience, and STILL never ever be willing to buy any other car ever again. And autopilot. I will never buy another new car that doesn't have it. I have it drive me 95% of the time. Drive my other car (Bolt) and the fact it doesn't have autopilot drives me nuts. It's a very psychotic way to feel. But the car is so fucking amazing, what can one do?
Fake Corporate Controlled Media! When will you people stop believing the crap they feed you. Sure Tesla has turnover, working for Elon is hell. But the line to work at Tesla is LONG. Look it up on Glassdoor.
For all of the short sellers selling their short narrative: BE GONE, YOUR CHEAP TRICKS DONT WORK WITH US.
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It might be smart for Tesla to make use of the internal camera to learn when a cut-in was negotiated by the driver via eye contact or waving, and not assume it was simply because of assertiveness.
Not really... if I give enough room between me and the next car, you should take it. Not sit there without even your blinker on, wondering if someone is going to read your mind and telepathy a signal to you to turn your blinker on (if even that much) and move in... I see that sh^t too much on the road and I like the way Tesla handles it, to some extent. When a blinker is on, some courtesy should be given... maybe we'll get that with AP3.
Boggles my mind that on the day of this presentation Tesla stock went down. Very few people understand how momentous this is. And how far away the competition is. Another aspect not mentioned in this presentation is that this method of training is the only way to get an autonomous car to drive with a natural, human like feel, which will be essential to people.
+Mr.A VR Freak But it is interesting that a Tesla "catches on fire" the day of (or day before) the presentation. Classic magician slight of hand. With this example it will be prudent to observe for a pattern of behavior.
+Mr.A VR Freak I agree with the manipulation thesis, however, the way the small investor defeats their machinations is simply to not play the short term game. Buy the stock, ignore the news, and hold the stock indefinitely, but at least 3-5 years, and make lots of money. Tesla went public at $25, I bought in around $30-$35. I bought lots of Apple at $1 (split adjusted). Motley Fool recommends this strategy of buy and hold for life* (*or until your investment assumptions are no longer true, e.g. change in management, the market goes south, etc.)
+TheLazyYoutuber I dont mean to be disrespectful, but you dont know how the market works. The statement you said just showed it. News doesnt move stock, it's the narrative that is sold to day traders and small time investors in order to justify manipulation of an instruments price fluctuation. I'm 39 and retired. The question is how did I do that? Through the market. The news is all lies to manipulate people like you into losing all their money. I wish it werent true, but it is. I have moved on to digital assets. They released the news of the Tesla catching on fire to justify the fall that they created. People pay a lot of money to hear what I just said for free. Observe the market and you will see that it's true. In fact, it's all a big scam to get average investors to lose their money.
What happened was that the night before, a Tesla vehicle caught fire and exploded in Shanghai, which was covered more extensively in reporting today, which is why the stock opened lower and shot down. If that didn't happen, we would be looking at some very different figures.
That's how the game is played. Institutional investors(banks etc..) bet against market general movement. An example: people expect Tesla's stock to rise due to this presentation so the institutional investors heavily sell the stock and cooperate with other institutional investors to manipulate a fall in the stock. The worst part is that it is all legal my friend. They dont like Elon because he is a disrupter. So they destroy the stock. They will pump the stock when everyone believes that it is going to fall. Have you seen the false and negative narrative around Tesla? It's all part of the game. Dont worry, in a few years Tesla will be trading around 1000. So just hold on to your stock if you are invested. It's going to get much uglier in the short term before it gets better. They dont like Elon because he doesnt play ball with them.
Mind blowing. I just posted a bunch of photos from today's event at Tesla HQ: https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=44124348109%40N01&sort=date-taken-desc&text=tesla&view_all=1
Although Elon is an engineer but he speaks in a very understandable and convincing way. A non technical guy can understand easily as compared to sometimes unnecessary engineering specifications. A very unique quality.
@Sasha Pallenberg Of course he can't, and doesn't have the time to design every last detail, BUT he *is* an engineer, and that shows because he can understand what goes on and make the appropriate decision. Which a non-engineer can't. One particularly bril and critical high level decision only such an engineer *and* manager like Elon could and did do was to abruptly realize they needed to go full automation in the ramp up of Model 3, and so stop the current process, and order that huge change of plans. If some engineering detail needs attention he *can* get to the nuts and bolts of it - that is what being an engineer means.
+Andre Nyc man Tesla and SpaceX have hundreds of engineers that are actually designing and engineering stuff! This is such an urban myth
@+Sascha Pallenberg He didn't know anything about rockets, so he set about learning it all himself by reading, and consulting with specialists. He's now as good a rocket engineer as any ... Same with cars, car manufacturing, AI and whatever is required for his objective. Of course if one doesn't have a track record, it's probably easier to just get a University degree.
+PeTalk he didn't design a single car at Tesla. The design is done by Franz von Holzhausen. Musk is no engineer.
+Sascha Pallenberg He was selling software when he was 14 years old (video game). Then he founded his online advertising company (yellow pages) wrote all that software then sold that company, then he founded what became PayPal and wrote all that software. How is it that he not a SOFTWARE engineer? Then he founded SpaceX and designed the rocket. He was doing AEROSPACE engineering. Then he took over Tesla and Designed the Roadster, Model S, Model X, and the Model 3, he was doing AUTOMOTIVE engineering. So how is it that he is NOT an engineer??? He has a degree in physics. Engineering is applied physics. I have a degree in applied physics so I should know. I have worked most of my life in SOFTWARE ENGINEERING.
+Sascha Pallenberg His bachelor's degrees are in economics and physics. Physicists are close cousins to engineers (and, depending on the program, an economics degree may be more akin to applied math than to social studies).
he is no engineer
Elon, my favorite snake oil seller.
Elizabeth Holmes beats Elon Musk in that department, but not by much.
@Bobby Crypto and @BJ Actually, the more you know/ understand about AI, robotics, computers, cars, the more you can appreciate what they have done. Conversely ... plus if your well-being depends on you not understanding, or not seeing Elon succeed ...
+Bobby Crypto Well I own a Tesla Model S that I got in January 2012. It is STILL the car from the future. It still puts a smile on my face every day I drive it. The acceleration makes women squeal and never gets old. Its low center of gravity means it goes around corners like it was on rails. I've owned BMW's and Porsche's and none of them come close to my Tesla. If you care about gaps in the body panels or what the f*ck material they put on the ceiling then go buy a Mercedes. If you want a fun car to drive or you want to kick ass at the track, buy a Tesla.
+B J I have a few friends with Teslas, the Model S is nice, but way to expensive, but the Model 3, you pay for the drivetrain and the infotainment, the rest of the car is cheap as fuck, an Elantra is more luxurious than a Model 3, no kidding.
Thank you someone in the comments with a brain
Wasn't there supposed to be a demonstration?
+Mr Gilmore This is a copy of Tesla's raw feed. They will likely release an edited version later. I wonder if, at that time, they may also attach edited video of the demos.
+Mr Gilmore Hyperchangetv's Gali said they weren't allowed to film.
+David Adams are videos of the demo supposed to be released?
The attendees got test drives. Probably had to sign NDA.
#TSLAQ
Dedicated hardware for an activation function are you serious
Brilliant. Most impressive company in the United States at the moment.
+Daniel Roig You are entitled to your opinion.
+Daniel Roig incorrect, Elizabeth Holmes never produced a working product while we can use the products by Tesla and not have it constantly break down or die because autopilot made a mistake. I recommend you go test drive one, even though you probably wont.
Pete A: This presentation is not very impressive from either a technical or a business perspective. Tesla has fundamental problems and one of them is Elon Musk.
BJ: Agree 100%. Musk is closer to Elizabeth Holmes than to Iron Man.
+B J you ever driven a Tesla using autopilot? Obviously not. There's a reason why tons of analysts are in that room.
What about SpaceX lol
Talk is cheap don’t believe everything you hear.
What is Elon Musk definition of Full Self Driving ? Cause i know it aint level 5. Anybody know ?
+B J But you only have room temperature IQ, so what does it matter?
+Ted Kidd yeah, my dad owns a model s and I learned how to drive in it.
+Ted Kidd i got a better license than you class A with all endorsements
starship77: I doubt Elon Musk will be there next year. Just a strong hunch.
+CodeF53 I bet he's never driven the car.
+B J With all due respect, it is you that is brainwashed by the Corporate Controlled Media. The Wall Street types hate Tesla because they are 1) not fundraising (putting money in the investment banker's pockets), 2) They are happy to make money shorting Tesla stock (thus a motivation for the negative stories), & 3) There are HUGE money interests in Big Auto & Big Oil that absolutely want Tesla to fail. Thus, since the BIG MONEY men run Wall Street & the Media, all we hear is bad news and warped stories. I am 65 years old and I saw all this play out at Apple Computer. Steve Jobs hated the Wall Street types more than Elon and was always at war with them. There were countless stories about when Apple was going to fail. I have Apple stock that I bought at $1 that today is worth over $200. Don't believe the Bullshit. It is not Elon it is the Corporate Controlled Media that lies to you. As Elon said, "I may sometimes be late but I have done everything I said I would do."
+B J the only things withholding us are the mentioned edge cases, and laws
smh you (sheeps) people will believe in anything
BE GONE SHORT SELLER, YOUR CHEAP TRICKS DONT WORK WITH US.
+B J right and waymo is where now? Come man have a compelling, constructive argument to go by rather then simply stating he is full of shit. The only aspect you can apply that statement is that his time is different from yours but bottom line Tesla is ahead period.
starship77 thanks but i think Elon is full of shit
he said level 4 this year and level 5 next year. up to you to believe it or not.
Mark my words
What words should I mark
Which lol
Given the vast improvement on safety where driverless cars become superior to humans, the result would be almost no accidents. I wonder what the implications of that would be on the car insurance business? Insurers are a very powerful lobby !!!
+Jonathan Plackett I would suggest the insurance companies will be very influential on the role out of these cars, because of the billions of dollars they collect in premiums will no longer be justified. Similar influence from one of the other " twins" of the banking cartels, being the oil industry.
Insurers will love it - they lose money when you crash. Even FSD cars will have to have insurance though because they'll still crash sometimes.
The problem for the car insurance lobby is that Tesla sells cars in many many jurisdictions. As long as Tesla can operate in some countries, the lobbyists are fighting a losing battle. Look at the auto dealership associations... They can block in-person sales in a handful of states in the U.S., but Tesla can still sell online, and be the no.1 car in Norway. People in Texas can see people buying Teslas in other states and know their legislators are making corrupt rules. It's not a good look for legislators, and at worst it's a few percent drag on Tesla. Since they're production constrained and since it generates press for Tesla it's doubtful the dealership lobbying had harmed them at all. It has secured markets for regional car salesmen, so some millionaires get to control their racket for a few extra years but at the macro level it's a non-event. Same situation with autonomy. Regulators can drag their feet. But there will be early robo-taxi Teslas somewhere, whether it's in Nevada or Norway, and the business case will be undeniable (lowest cost per mile of any automobile or mobility service) and the insurance profile will be undeniable (lowest claim rate) and partners (insurance companies, bars, tourist attractions) will be clamoring for regulators to expand Teslas service area. It's checkmate for entrenched interests.
+KCautodoctor Thanks for the insight. I do understand how deeply entrenched vested interests can manipulate real technical progress , and the insurance industry is up there, but of course the petro dollar rules the rooste today. "Intereating times" must be the understatement of the millenium (this one AND the last one lol...
I am expecting shortly after FSD is fully authorized by the government regulators, that the cost of insurance for all non-FSD equipped vehicles is going to skyrocket - NOT because FSD is unsafe but because it is shown already that human drivers are really bad at making split second decisions needed to avoid crashes (and that is before you throw in a person under the influence of alcohol or drugs). Also all the raw video & vehicle telemetry data available from a FSD equipped vehicle is going to make the non-FSD insured vehicles more likely to be shown at fault in causing the accidents - which insurance companies are not going to like to have to defend their insured clients against in major lawsuits against them.
I don’t the majority of people can fully appreciate just how far ahead Tesla is on this. Though there was a lot of detail here, the amount of work that has been done and being done is astonishing, and as mentioned, the fleet of vehicles are highly sophisticated data centers and computational platforms. Incredible.
+PeTalk Actually, in Arizona, they have full-self driving taxis already, and you can ride it with a tap of your phone. Technically, Uber is different from Waymo, so this whole pedestrian killing thing is from Uber not Waymo. But theoretically, Waymo has way better self-driving technology than any other carmarkers.
+Jeremy Liu Is Waymo actually deployed anywhere now (2019)? For example, Uber did a trial in one city, a desert (dry, little rain) wide modern roads they used High-density mapping and in the end, they killed a pedestrian walking her bike across the road. I would say Uber is far from a full self-driving solution that will work everywhere. There is a reason these other companies are deploying in single cities. They are trying to simplify the problem because they don't yet have a general solution.
and always would
+Allen Almasi Well Waymo let a blind man ride in its cars on autopilot at what, 2015？The recent 1 billion miles is done without a single flaw, on full autonomy! But in terms of software and capabilities, I think Waymo has a huge advantage.
+Jeremy Liu Honest question: can you explain how they are way more ahead? Although they claim to have a level 4 system (which still requires driver supervision), it seems by infrastructure and hardware alone that Tesla is winning this race which will help them quickly catch up and pass competitors on software. Thanks!
Waymo is WAY more ahead, in a much shorter amount of time, with much less data. But still appreciate how much is done though!
I cant believe people still think Tesla can deliver FSD lmao People wake up your being deceive.
+PeTalk 80% of oncologists would not give themselves or a loved one the poison they put into their patient's bodies every day. Maybe because 1/5 people will get cancer.. why would you give someone that has no cancer Chemotherapy? The equivalency of Mercury and Aluminum in vaccines are like me tapping you on the shoulder while you equate it of me punching you in the face. I can tap on your shoulder as many times as I want to and it shouldn't hurt you, unless you have an abnormally brittle shoulder. While several punch in the face should sufficiently hurt if not kill you. I did my own research and they tell me you are absolutely a quack!
+B J It's impossible to program by human coding. That's why you need AI and machine learning. That's why Tesla built the AI chip into all their Tesla regardless if you pay for the FSD or not. They need their FSD AI to learn as much as possible. They can get more data than Uber, or Google can ever get from their isolated test cars that they fit into cities. Comma AI, uses a similar model to build the AI, but at a different structure. One obvious difference is Comma AI's processing power is going to be far inferior to Tesla's AI computer. Level 5 FSD is coming and nobody is going program for it. Tesla is going to own, operate, and manage the best FSD AI, and that's the difference between traditional computer programming and AI programming.
+Joseph Lo if you really knew how computers work common sense would tell you that level 5 FSD is nearly impossible.
What's FSD? Fulla Shit Device?
+Joseph Lo Well, the Earth is round but vaccines as sure as shit are bad for you: 1) they don't work (look into the "outbreaks" and discover that all the kids were vaccinated 2) vaccines have Mercury and Aluminum in them, both potent neurotoxins 3) there is a secret taxpayer-funded vaccine injury court that pays off victims and requires non-disclosure agreements for people to get their money 4) the Big Pharma executives won't vaccinate their own kids. Same with chemotherapy. 80% of oncologists would not give themselves or a loved one the poison they put into their patient's bodies every day. Some conspiracy theories are really conspiracy facts. Do your own research and don't believe anything the Corporate Controlled Media tells you.
And you think they can't because? Other than pure and hateful doubt you really provide zero reasonings. And for someone that doesn't believe, you sure spend quite the effort to sling your BS around these comment sections. Why don't you just go give yourself the BJ and GTFO. Either you are paid it you are simply an ignorant fool seeing the world from the bottom of a well. I bet you believe the Earth is flat and vaccines are bad for you too. Prove your doubt or STFU.
probably someone from uber or lyft
B J Is that you B J?
smh im the truth (sheeps) people
BE GONE SHORT SELLER. YOUR TRICKS DONT WORK WITH US.
Tesla seem to think they can. Literal fsd, where you get it, push a button and do nothing until you arrive is still not ready, but its not unreasonable to think it could be done within 5 years.
Nice try little troll
If I were an established car manufacturer executive I'd be shitting my pants right about now.
2:30:08 ok he’s def from the future.
Demo a race between ai and human.. also do a demo of drifting!!!!!
+willyouwright nice comeback. We will have to see :)
+youmakeitreal what??. It could do wider angles and wilder more accurate flicks on smaller courses. How is that boring. It would inspire humans to innovate..
So perfect it would be boring
I'd like to see that. Enter a Tesla on autopilot into Indy 500 and see what happens - LOL.
Once again Elon is playing Dota 2 while others are still playing chess.
Chess is too generous. Far too many of them are playing draughts.
Thank you!
Where is the first part of the presentation wich contains the Chip design details?
Hello Matthias, Its on Processing, It will be done within a few mins.
1:53:55 "There's still in 2019 no car that can compete with Model S of 2012, it's 7 years later... still waiting" I love it
Brandon Balcer: Is eTron self-driving? If not I will look into it.
O come on.. what's wrong with the 204 mile rated etron!.. All jokes aside I still love my 2012 p85. 1200th built, but will be adding a performance 3 soon
Is Andrej Karpathy actually Checkov coming back to the present from the future?
These comments are going to be a sucker's parade of people who believe the steaming pile of bullcrap that the NPV of a Model 3 is actually a couple of hundred thousand dollars.
+PeTalk smh
Numbers don't lie. My concern is the "Uber" market may not be as large as they estimate or people may not want to "Uber" in a driverless car. But people will eventually adapt and the younger people will readily accept driverless cars and these projections will happen, perhaps not as quickly as Elon projects. Elon is always an optimist and the regulators are a wild card in this equation. The technology is demonstrable and once you see it you will have a hard time denying its existence. As they say "Seeing is Believing"
Andrej Karpathy is one of the best! I remember him being around in the community back in the day. I always tried to understand and steal his ideas lol
so u wanted to make the Zuck?
People asking questions about the steering wheel are fucking stupid.
You can't encrypt the DNN weights so no one knows...one word: liability. Even standardization isn't trustworthy as in the diesel scandal. IP Protection is going to be from power consumption. As long a Tesla does r&d in that (compute per watt) they'll win, why? consumers understand it (aka range!) Otherwise it IS just linear Algebra, the beauty of DNNs. Fyi, vision = Autonomy, lidar OR radar = safety.
This makes no sense. Manufacturers will be liable for their driverless vehicles, no more argument about that. Elon answers that question at the end of the video. Since each manufacturer uses different software, there will be no standardization because the software is the great differentiator. Each company thinks their solution is the best. The "secret sauce" of any neural net is the result of all the fleet learning which is distilled down to the weights of the neural network but the weights are specific to this particular architecture. At first blush, the question seemed reasonable, protect the IP. Elon's answer showed greater sophistication. He realized that the weights are specific to his architecture and it would be an impossibly complicated task to reverse out the architecture & weights to "understand" what the neural net "knows". This is the problem with these things. The creators of neural nets do not understand what the net has learned. They only can test the net with more data. In a famous case, they actually did a dog breed recognition test. The net misidentified a dog as a Husky. The humans knew the net was way off. They studied the net to determine what pixels were the most heavily weighted to produce the incorrect Husky decision. They discovered the net had always seen Huskies in winter photos with snow on the ground. The net saw snow on the ground and misclassified this particular new dog as a Husky. The net made a mistake that no human would have made. This is why the video emphasized that the training data needed to be diverse as well as numerous. 10x experience driving on the freeway does no good in weird old cities, construction zones, and more things that neither you nor I could imagine.
PeTalk: If 8 is enough bits that will be great. The final proof is when the safety figures come in. For me there is zero need for this technology and have no intention of ever buying a vehicle with self driving capabilities.
+Daniel Roig The difference is it is a pipelined purpose built neural network hardware implementation. Tesla gave up on trying to shoehorn a neural net into a graphics engine. Entirely different applications. There are good reasons why graphics hardware went to 32 bit. They had to work with larger and denser screens, people wanted more color fidelity and the hardware was getting cheaper and cheaper. 32-64 bit is appropriate data size for the graphics problem. The neural nets are solving a different problem. Their problem needs more pixels (8 cameras) but they don't need color and the information per pixel (video amplitude/brightness) fits in 8 bits according to the vision AI expert.
Big Dream: Nope about what? That the dot product does not use 8-bit multiplies? This is what the speaker said in the video. I understand SOC, the benefits and drawbacks. SoC is not the reason for being faster TOPs the real reason is lower number of bits in the multiplies.
+Daniel Roig Nope. As I replied to your comment elsewhere, NVIDIA is creating a generalist solution. Tesla has created a specialist solution, so as such is able to create something quite lean while still being ultra capable.
Tesla is using 8-bit multiplies which will produce a 16-bit result. NVidia CUDA cores use at least 32-bit multiplies which produce 64-bit results. Tesla is comparing apples to oranges. 144 TOPs at 8-bit is not better than 21 TOPs at 32-bit. If you notice the gentleman speaking @17:38 says 8 bit by 8-bit integer multiply which is 'probably enough' accuracy to get by. When was the last time any of you folks used an 8-bit computer? Sure it will produce 'some result' fast - but is it guaranteed to be the right result? Lowering the resolution this way without knowing for sure is scary - be wary. This is not really a jump in technology it is a jump in specsmanship.
thanks for reupload. i dont understand why tesla took the video down
Paul Imhof I am not a fan of teleportation, wait it doesn’t exist yet! Yeah but still I am not a fan
+KCautodoctor Yeah, I wasn't able to view the live stream, Day job... BTW: I'm not a fan of a robo-taxi where the steering wheel can over-take the vehicle's control. I wouldn't want that if I owned a Model 3 robo-taxi. Will wait when they remove the steering wheel or have a why to render the human controls useless before I would even think about this.
+Paul Imhof that is not the way the Tesla live stream actually ended - you will need to wait for the Tesla edited video to be uploaded to see Elon's complete reply to that question (however he did not go into much more detail to that question)
Did it really cut out on the liability question (who would own the liability if there was an accident, Tesla or the car's owner)? Elon said, "Probably Tesla." then the video cut out. I don't think this was arbitrary time that the video cut out.
Tesla does it with most of their livestreams -- they want to edit out the dead air and then post it as a "polished" saved video
It’s not just a car anymore...dude where is my car?
Dude where's my car
It is a smartphone on 4 wheels.
Why does it cut off? Where is the rest?
+KCautodoctor oh good to know, i missed the part where they talk about the chips, thanks for the update!
+Jc Zhang and I see this entire 2:36:00 video is now available for viewing
+Jc Zhang correct - that is the way Youtube processes videos longer than 2 hours - they allow the last 2 hours to be viewed right away while they are processing the entire video length for viewing later on.
+KCautodoctor It's the beginning that's cut off
Youtube is still processing the video - come back in an hour and entire video should be ready then
Thanks for uploading this
1:25 there are so many "sunglasses meme" moments with Elon in this vid
How realistic is this?
+PeTalk i did watch the video and trust me i want to believe but its just hype (snake oil) level 5 FSD will never happen. A computer is basically a calculator it can only calculate numbers. It can never think like a human its not possible.
ELECTRO MEG: The AI algorithms do not yet exist to do this right and won't exist for at least two decades. This data collection is just part of the Musk narrative that "it is getting better". It is not getting better even with 20 billion driven miles. You can't polish a turd.
+B J I guess you did not watch the video and are just shooting your mouth off. If you can't understand the technical stuff then just wait a year and see what happens. I have a degree in computer science and I can tell what these guys have done is a modern miracle and I may be buying more Tesla stock.
+B J The proof is in the demo rides which we did not see.
+B J Failure happens and everyone driving a tesla is helping to collect data to make the computer much smarter
Theodore Irelan did you also see the videos of Teslas veering into highway median barriers one person died because of it. I really want Tesla to succeed but FSD just aint there yet and realistically it will probably never happen. I just hate when people believe in every word that comes out of Elon Musk mouth. Computers can only calculate numbers how can that compare to the human mind which can do so much more. There are endless things that can happen on the road that a computer just cant handle.
B J Here’s something that will really cool your noodle later: Are you happy with the current way people drive and the traffic around you or would you like better?
B J Video. Type Tesla Self Driving into the search bar and watch. Especially the one that shows the model x going to Tesla and self parking. What other proof do you need?
Theodore Irelan talk is cheap and what proof ?
B J You’re looking at the proof that you’re wrong. You’re statement is void.
lIIlIllIlIl 1 bet
B J I'll set a reminder to laugh at you 2 years later
FSD will NEVER happen Tesla full of shit
Which part of the presentation are you unsure about coming to reality? I will agree that the timeline is very aggressive, but I did not hear anything that jumped out at me as being totally undo-able with the right amount of money & really smart people unleashed on it.
Bye Bye Uber & Lyft...
uber and lyft will go ipo within a month
lmao its all lies Uber and Lyft aint going nowhere
Anyone who owns a Tesla will be able to make more money then the value of the car. Therefore anyone with a FSD Tesla will send their car to a big city where the utility is maximized. Basically there should be a migration of Teslas to the big cities, once robotaxi is activated.
The vast majority of Tesla owners currently will not participate. The need for extra income will not out weigh the inconvenience of not having your car or the risk of loss associated with having strangers in the car. Eventually Tesla will create a car that is in the price bracket of those that do need the extra income and the fleet will grow , OR they will rely on corporate fleet owned vehicles.
Its all bullshit Tesla sheep
Tesla has already figured out how to do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI
+Yaakov KahanI'm referring to when you are at work and the car is used as a robotaxi.
Or drive it yourself and find a different way home.
Flash357 In that case you would pay someone to meet you car at the supercharger, because it will be worth it.
Until the cars can recharge by it self, it have to be limited to the range of the vehicle minus the range to get to the nearest SCers.
@1:35:31 Elon: mhm OKAY TRY IT! hahaha
We need more people like Elon Musk in this world.
I took the red pill.
We're lucky to have at least one.
HERE I AM
lmao
Simply incredible
Actually not. Tesla is using 8-bit multiplies which will produce a 16-bit result. NVidia CUDA cores use at least 32-bit multiplies which produce 64-bit results. Tesla is comparing apples to oranges. 144 TOPs at 8-bit is not better than 21 TOPs at 32-bit. If you notice the gentleman speaking @17:38 says 8 bit by 8-bit integer multiply which is 'probably enough' accuracy to get by. When was the last time any of you folks used an 8-bit computer? Sure it will produce 'some result' fast - but is it guaranteed to be the right result? Lowering the resolution this way without knowing for sure is scary - be wary. This is not really a jump in technology it is a jump in specsmanship.
I am glad that I am living HISTORY IN THE MAKING!!
Dude. Journalists are totally useless
I think what Elon is saying, is that if he applied a bit of time to making graphics cards for gamers they would be super fast super cheap and probably get better by a factor of at least 2 every year.
Make sure your wife and daughters don't change clothes in front of your Tesla, if Tesla asks its fleet to send images with boobs the annotators working at Tesla will see your "anonymized" image.
The question is...will you buy a horse ??!?! 2:20:00
At least a horse can do level 5 riding lol unlike Tesla level 5 FSD vaporware
SO. the next Generation is gonna recognize Faces and will allow the Police to send an Wanted Pic to the "Fleet" and the Car who spots the Fugitive is gona call 911?
Awe inspiring, a momentous time for transportation. Yipee
How come they cant make money despite with all these amazing technologies??
Marlon Maddix executing code on CPU VS GPU VS NUERO. So how good are the different hardware at this type of task.
+C Wong That pupic transportion topic is gonna be a big issue.. Also Trains and Flights... its just insane...
+PeTalk I don't think your assertion that Tesla's neural net doesn't perceive color can be right, because there's lots of information -- especially (but not solely) about traffic signs -- that can be gained through color vision. Ignoring that parameter would seem foolish, and Tesla scientists/engineers do not strike me as foolish people. And why would their cars use color cameras if not to use them? You only need three times as much data to convey color (RGB vs. simple brightness).
Nirav Patel F off with that. I want full self driving but I still want to be able to drive myself. Have the autonomous systems still active and ready to come on if it detects an incoming crash, then people can still drive if they want or need to and it will be just as safe. Best of both worlds.
+C3zar79 Escamilla lmao
+Joseph Lo you been drinking too much tesla koolaid if you knew how computers and the technology really worked you would know level 5 FSD is not possible especially not from Tesla.
lmao thats a new one imma start using for sure
This was the most high value technical condensed content presentation i have seen so far, regarding TESLA! BIG THANKS for the openness in sharing the insides to the Tesla team!
2:04:50 Goosebumps!
This guy will crash all the other manufacturer car compagnies
I want a Tesla!!! The real thing!!
This is natural presentation ,not like apple overrated/ hyped/scripted drama !
WDTJ (why don't they just)... Instead of human labeling of lane markings, label with steering data from a couple seconds after the image being labeled? Tesla has a record of every instance where a lane marking prediction fails to match the reality of where the car actually goes. That's a massive amount of training data that can be collected automatically. In other words reframe the objective function of lane marking detection as lane marking prediction and steering prediction. It's a form of look ahead training like that used for game AI where the evaluation network is trained using the αβ result at an arbitrary depth.
Doh, I probably should watch the whole video before I comment. Haha, the are already doing this!
Used to listen to Andrej's Stanford lectures when studying machine learning. He is a fucking cyborg AI ninja!
Damn Elon Musk needs to take a public speaking class Jesus. It’s like he is swallowing his words every time he speaks
Davieb2007 yeah
rough rough they are making money, but they are investing all of their money in future projects & new Tech,...
+B J I know you are full of BS, but.. let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Enlighten me as to why you think or understand that level 5 FSD will not be possible from especially Telsa. Come on, post some compelling reasons that I must accept as the truth and nothing else. Been waiting on all your replies in this whole thread to post anything other than an "opinion". Come on, I'm waiting! Still Waiting..
"I watch EVERY accident" dude hahaha this is supposed to be a promotion shhhhhh
41:05 "If the simulation fully captured the real world... Well, that would be the proof that we are living in simulation I think" Hahaha
Does autopilot have control over the horn? Seems like that would be useful. Could alert other cars of an impending collision.
cant wait till they make a phone, or their own CPU´s or GPU´s for our home computers or just make everything Apple makes, but better and cheaper
+Ken SeehartYeah, they got lot of things figured out. They are pretty smart.….
+CodeF53Camera can see the flashing lights. So, yeah. It just needs to be trained.
Jip Shin Hun you’re probably a nervous geek no reason why you can’t have both
+Viridian HawkSorry if my English isn't good enough. Maybe my choice of words isn't correct, but essentially the car knows the distance, and speed of the other vehicle and also the speed of their vehicles compared to the one you are in. In that sense it isn't assuming. The thing it is assuming is where it is going compared to your car on that piece of the road.
+Flash357 Yeah, but that's not really how neural networks work. They're probabilistic, not deterministic. They find statistical correlations. Junk in, junk out. So if the input is missing a crucial bit of the puzzle, it's making assumptions based on incomplete data and won't be able to make the right decision.
You are forgetting that Tesla sees ALL unlike the person trying to move into another lane. It knows how much room it has, how fast the other cars are going, and it can predict where the others are going to be next. Can a person do that? No. Tesla is better at judging when it should do a lane change. It just needs to learn how to do better.
Hardware, Neural Networks, Software and the business case. This is so informative it could be used in a college degree.
I wish someone had asked that question in the video!
These guys are investors.
DDanksey Sick bro! How much $ do you have invested in TSLA now?
They just gonna have more tech to be save with driver still sitting there. You can't have self driving trucks out there driving around like tanks until it's perfect
Tesla is truly playing many games of multidimensional chess simultaneously while the rest of these clown car companies can’t even get their missing-piece checkerboard boxes open. Game over. #youDontHaveToInventTheInternetToUseItToUpdateYourCarsIdiots.
Share your car seems like a great idea, except what happens when a share user spills his drink or drops trash or has really dirty boots? Who pays for the cleanup? Yes, you could have cameras, but can they catch everything? How about if the car is used in an (ie bank) robbery\crime? If it is a fully autonomous vehicle there is no one there to screen what is going on in your car!
Amazing. The greatest software and chip designers also build electric cars.
Einstein , Newton, Gauss, Maxwell are genius that had insights into the fundamental laws of the universe that no others of their time could perceive. These are very clever very educated people progressing a technological application. Please don't confuse.
Perhaps an unfortunate analogy. I can imagine in 200 years time chess will still be a thing whilst you will have to consult historical record to find out what Dota 2 was.
+Brandon Balcer - It's unproven (E-Tron) no one has them yet, 0 confidence in them until that have several millions of miles of non-test track use! Until then, Tesla is the only company that can pull this off with confidence.
32.28 look at that face. So smug for no fucking reason.
Hadn't you "Promised" some fucking self-driving car in 2012? Fucking fraud... Where is your Solar city at boo?
This pasty white pig Musk seems to just be bloating by the minute. Everybody sees through your lies now and thankfully we will see a wonderful collapse of your stock. You are no Iron Man. You could barely keep a house together, let alone a company divorced thrice? Build a fucking sedan lol.
They sound stupid...
Which goes to show how America needs a heart transplant. Lol. Pathetic.
Brandon Balcer: Thanks.
+Daniel Roig Haha not at all.
Gradually it becomes clear even for the last backward-looking folks that Tesla came to disrupt the whole transportation business for ever!
Elon is is such a software coding literate CEO. This helps me to make more sense of his way of doing things.
Slowed the guy talking about neural networks .75
I read, ...In the world.
19:00 those arrows are off-center and that Bugs me so much i am getting a headache
+KCautodoctor Only if you;re required to drive in autonomous mode all the time. Otherwise you could be someone that never uses it so no advantage to even having it. Also, if you do have a self driving car why do you need one that goes 0-60 in 2 sec?
i got my model 3 there is no car that is even close it is incredible!
+Aubriana White - It's unproven (E-Tron) no one has them yet, 0 confidence in them until that have several millions of miles of non-test track use! Until then, Tesla is the only company that can pull this off with confidence.
Say what?????
I like electric cars. I hate the thought of robot cars, because it defeats the freedom of a car. We can use options of chauffeured limo or taxi or bus services. This feeling is why I just sold my Tesla stock as well as related ETFs in withdrawing my support in hopes that Tesla's direction and focus will understand that improving quality of life is good. Monopoly is bad. I do hope others will join me in helping to make this clear. Driving is a recreation, a skill and a freedom. To try to make the world safe means stupid people overrun our planet without natural pitfalls. Oh look, its happened already.
+bbbf09 That's not the point. The point is in the algorithmic difficulty of finding a solution to beat a human expert.
I like how it ends immediately and abruptly when Elon starts to answer the question about liability. "I mean. It's probably Tesla... brshhh.... "
yeah yeah throw these guys a ball and they all fail to catch it
+bbbf09 Einstien was an idiot
like/dislike ratio disarmed, interesting
+I like TESLAS Is Waymo actually deployed anywhere now (2019)? For example, Uber did a trial in one city, a desert (dry, little rain) wide modern roads they used High-density mapping and in the end, they killed a pedestrian walking her bike across the road. I would say Uber is far from a full self-driving solution that will work everywhere. There is a reason these other companies are deploying in single cities. They are trying to simplify the problem because they don't yet have a general solution.
+I like TESLAS Honest question: can you explain how they are way more ahead? Although they claim to have a level 4 system (which still requires driver supervision), it seems by infrastructure and hardware alone that Tesla is winning this race which will help them quickly catch up and pass competitors on software. Thanks!
@Ken SeehartYeah, they got lot of things figured out. They are pretty smart.….
@CodeF53Camera can see the flashing lights. So, yeah. It just needs to be trained.
@ophello if the car can't see an emergency vehicle in the case where you would hear its sirens to pull over, that's a problem
@C Wong That pupic transportion topic is gonna be a big issue.. Also Trains and Flights... its just insane...
@Daniel Roig That is one way to look at it if you choose to see it. You could also look at it that now you won't need to deal with the car in getting back and forth to where you need to go. You can focus on what you are interested in/the task at hand. BTW if you have a smart phone near you your privacy is already gone. You usually leave your car behind when you go to do something. The phone you don't. Much more "supervision" via the phone. You create the world that you live.
@bbbf09 Einstien was an idiot
@PeTalk I don't think your assertion that Tesla's neural net doesn't perceive color can be right, because there's lots of information -- especially (but not solely) about traffic signs -- that can be gained through color vision. Ignoring that parameter would seem foolish, and Tesla scientists/engineers do not strike me as foolish people. And why would their cars use color cameras if not to use them? You only need three times as much data to convey color (RGB vs. simple brightness).
@Ted Kidd bullshit
@PeTalk Let me know when Tesla demonstrates Level 4 Autonomy in the USA, or even in France, LOL. Did you know that level 4 autonomy from Coast-to-Coast was demonstrated by other companies several years ago, and those in France do not refute that accomplishment.
@Chris I wasn't speaking of Elon, I was talking about the guy who was explaining the computer chips at the very beginning. Althoug Elon isn't the best speaker, but I do enjoy his uniqueness, and I don't have any problems with it. And he seems comfortable talking in front of groups of people.
@Jared Stewart I wasn't speaking of Elon, I was talking about the guy who was explaining the computer chips at the very beginning. Althoug Elon isn't the best speaker, but I do enjoy his uniqueness, and I don't have any problems with it. And he seems comfortable talking in front of groups of people.
@Big Dream I wasn't speaking of Elon, I was talking about the guy who was explaining the computer chips at the very beginning. Althoug Elon isn't the best speaker, but I do enjoy his uniqueness, and I don't have any problems with it. And he seems comfortable talking in front of groups of people.
@Jared Stewart Exactly. Most CEOs come out of sales or marketing, so are expert communicators. Elon, though, is an engineer/scientist at heart. That's much rarer in a CEO and has given him some significant advantages -- though it also has the accompanying communication disadvantage relative to what people are used to.
@Jonathan Plackett Gentlemen. What would you have asked if you were there?
@Viridian HawkSorry if my English isn't good enough. Maybe my choice of words isn't correct, but essentially the car knows the distance, and speed of the other vehicle and also the speed of their vehicles compared to the one you are in. In that sense it isn't assuming. The thing it is assuming is where it is going compared to your car on that piece of the road.
@Flash357 Yeah, but that's not really how neural networks work. They're probabilistic, not deterministic. They find statistical correlations. Junk in, junk out. So if the input is missing a crucial bit of the puzzle, it's making assumptions based on incomplete data and won't be able to make the right decision.
@Mr.A VR Freak But it is interesting that a Tesla "catches on fire" the day of (or day before) the presentation. Classic magician slight of hand. With this example it will be prudent to observe for a pattern of behavior.
@Mr.A VR Freak I agree with the manipulation thesis, however, the way the small investor defeats their machinations is simply to not play the short term game. Buy the stock, ignore the news, and hold the stock indefinitely, but at least 3-5 years, and make lots of money. Tesla went public at $25, I bought in around $30-$35. I bought lots of Apple at $1 (split adjusted). Motley Fool recommends this strategy of buy and hold for life* (*or until your investment assumptions are no longer true, e.g. change in management, the market goes south, etc.)
@TheLazyYoutuber I dont mean to be disrespectful, but you dont know how the market works. The statement you said just showed it. News doesnt move stock, it's the narrative that is sold to day traders and small time investors in order to justify manipulation of an instruments price fluctuation. I'm 39 and retired. The question is how did I do that? Through the market. The news is all lies to manipulate people like you into losing all their money. I wish it werent true, but it is. I have moved on to digital assets. They released the news of the Tesla catching on fire to justify the fall that they created. People pay a lot of money to hear what I just said for free. Observe the market and you will see that it's true. In fact, it's all a big scam to get average investors to lose their money.
@Andre Nyc man Tesla and SpaceX have hundreds of engineers that are actually designing and engineering stuff! This is such an urban myth
@@Sascha Pallenberg He didn't know anything about rockets, so he set about learning it all himself by reading, and consulting with specialists. He's now as good a rocket engineer as any ... Same with cars, car manufacturing, AI and whatever is required for his objective. Of course if one doesn't have a track record, it's probably easier to just get a University degree.
@PeTalk he didn't design a single car at Tesla. The design is done by Franz von Holzhausen. Musk is no engineer.
@Sascha Pallenberg He was selling software when he was 14 years old (video game). Then he founded his online advertising company (yellow pages) wrote all that software then sold that company, then he founded what became PayPal and wrote all that software. How is it that he not a SOFTWARE engineer? Then he founded SpaceX and designed the rocket. He was doing AEROSPACE engineering. Then he took over Tesla and Designed the Roadster, Model S, Model X, and the Model 3, he was doing AUTOMOTIVE engineering. So how is it that he is NOT an engineer??? He has a degree in physics. Engineering is applied physics. I have a degree in applied physics so I should know. I have worked most of my life in SOFTWARE ENGINEERING.
@Sascha Pallenberg His bachelor's degrees are in economics and physics. Physicists are close cousins to engineers (and, depending on the program, an economics degree may be more akin to applied math than to social studies).
@Bobby Crypto Well I own a Tesla Model S that I got in January 2012. It is STILL the car from the future. It still puts a smile on my face every day I drive it. The acceleration makes women squeal and never gets old. Its low center of gravity means it goes around corners like it was on rails. I've owned BMW's and Porsche's and none of them come close to my Tesla. If you care about gaps in the body panels or what the f*ck material they put on the ceiling then go buy a Mercedes. If you want a fun car to drive or you want to kick ass at the track, buy a Tesla.
@B J I have a few friends with Teslas, the Model S is nice, but way to expensive, but the Model 3, you pay for the drivetrain and the infotainment, the rest of the car is cheap as fuck, an Elantra is more luxurious than a Model 3, no kidding.
@Mr Gilmore This is a copy of Tesla's raw feed. They will likely release an edited version later. I wonder if, at that time, they may also attach edited video of the demos.
@Mr Gilmore Hyperchangetv's Gali said they weren't allowed to film.
@David Adams are videos of the demo supposed to be released?
@Daniel Roig You are entitled to your opinion.
@Daniel Roig incorrect, Elizabeth Holmes never produced a working product while we can use the products by Tesla and not have it constantly break down or die because autopilot made a mistake. I recommend you go test drive one, even though you probably wont.
@B J you ever driven a Tesla using autopilot? Obviously not. There's a reason why tons of analysts are in that room.
@C3zar79 Escamilla lmao
@B J But you only have room temperature IQ, so what does it matter?
@Ted Kidd yeah, my dad owns a model s and I learned how to drive in it.
@Ted Kidd i got a better license than you class A with all endorsements
@CodeF53 I bet he's never driven the car.
@B J With all due respect, it is you that is brainwashed by the Corporate Controlled Media. The Wall Street types hate Tesla because they are 1) not fundraising (putting money in the investment banker's pockets), 2) They are happy to make money shorting Tesla stock (thus a motivation for the negative stories), & 3) There are HUGE money interests in Big Auto & Big Oil that absolutely want Tesla to fail. Thus, since the BIG MONEY men run Wall Street & the Media, all we hear is bad news and warped stories. I am 65 years old and I saw all this play out at Apple Computer. Steve Jobs hated the Wall Street types more than Elon and was always at war with them. There were countless stories about when Apple was going to fail. I have Apple stock that I bought at $1 that today is worth over $200. Don't believe the Bullshit. It is not Elon it is the Corporate Controlled Media that lies to you. As Elon said, "I may sometimes be late but I have done everything I said I would do."
@B J the only things withholding us are the mentioned edge cases, and laws
@B J right and waymo is where now? Come man have a compelling, constructive argument to go by rather then simply stating he is full of shit. The only aspect you can apply that statement is that his time is different from yours but bottom line Tesla is ahead period.
@KCautodoctor Only if you;re required to drive in autonomous mode all the time. Otherwise you could be someone that never uses it so no advantage to even having it. Also, if you do have a self driving car why do you need one that goes 0-60 in 2 sec?
@Jonathan Plackett I would suggest the insurance companies will be very influential on the role out of these cars, because of the billions of dollars they collect in premiums will no longer be justified. Similar influence from one of the other " twins" of the banking cartels, being the oil industry.
@KCautodoctor Thanks for the insight. I do understand how deeply entrenched vested interests can manipulate real technical progress , and the insurance industry is up there, but of course the petro dollar rules the rooste today. "Intereating times" must be the understatement of the millenium (this one AND the last one lol...
@PeTalk Actually, in Arizona, they have full-self driving taxis already, and you can ride it with a tap of your phone. Technically, Uber is different from Waymo, so this whole pedestrian killing thing is from Uber not Waymo. But theoretically, Waymo has way better self-driving technology than any other carmarkers.
@I like TESLAS Is Waymo actually deployed anywhere now (2019)? For example, Uber did a trial in one city, a desert (dry, little rain) wide modern roads they used High-density mapping and in the end, they killed a pedestrian walking her bike across the road. I would say Uber is far from a full self-driving solution that will work everywhere. There is a reason these other companies are deploying in single cities. They are trying to simplify the problem because they don't yet have a general solution.
@Allen Almasi Well Waymo let a blind man ride in its cars on autopilot at what, 2015？The recent 1 billion miles is done without a single flaw, on full autonomy! But in terms of software and capabilities, I think Waymo has a huge advantage.
@I like TESLAS Honest question: can you explain how they are way more ahead? Although they claim to have a level 4 system (which still requires driver supervision), it seems by infrastructure and hardware alone that Tesla is winning this race which will help them quickly catch up and pass competitors on software. Thanks!
@B J I know you are full of BS, but.. let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Enlighten me as to why you think or understand that level 5 FSD will not be possible from especially Telsa. Come on, post some compelling reasons that I must accept as the truth and nothing else. Been waiting on all your replies in this whole thread to post anything other than an "opinion". Come on, I'm waiting! Still Waiting..
@Joseph Lo you been drinking too much tesla koolaid if you knew how computers and the technology really worked you would know level 5 FSD is not possible especially not from Tesla.
@PeTalk 80% of oncologists would not give themselves or a loved one the poison they put into their patient's bodies every day. Maybe because 1/5 people will get cancer.. why would you give someone that has no cancer Chemotherapy? The equivalency of Mercury and Aluminum in vaccines are like me tapping you on the shoulder while you equate it of me punching you in the face. I can tap on your shoulder as many times as I want to and it shouldn't hurt you, unless you have an abnormally brittle shoulder. While several punch in the face should sufficiently hurt if not kill you. I did my own research and they tell me you are absolutely a quack!
@B J It's impossible to program by human coding. That's why you need AI and machine learning. That's why Tesla built the AI chip into all their Tesla regardless if you pay for the FSD or not. They need their FSD AI to learn as much as possible. They can get more data than Uber, or Google can ever get from their isolated test cars that they fit into cities. Comma AI, uses a similar model to build the AI, but at a different structure. One obvious difference is Comma AI's processing power is going to be far inferior to Tesla's AI computer. Level 5 FSD is coming and nobody is going program for it. Tesla is going to own, operate, and manage the best FSD AI, and that's the difference between traditional computer programming and AI programming.
@Joseph Lo Well, the Earth is round but vaccines as sure as shit are bad for you: 1) they don't work (look into the "outbreaks" and discover that all the kids were vaccinated 2) vaccines have Mercury and Aluminum in them, both potent neurotoxins 3) there is a secret taxpayer-funded vaccine injury court that pays off victims and requires non-disclosure agreements for people to get their money 4) the Big Pharma executives won't vaccinate their own kids. Same with chemotherapy. 80% of oncologists would not give themselves or a loved one the poison they put into their patient's bodies every day. Some conspiracy theories are really conspiracy facts. Do your own research and don't believe anything the Corporate Controlled Media tells you.
@willyouwright nice comeback. We will have to see :)
@youmakeitreal what??. It could do wider angles and wilder more accurate flicks on smaller courses. How is that boring. It would inspire humans to innovate..
@bbbf09 That's not the point. The point is in the algorithmic difficulty of finding a solution to beat a human expert.
@Jeremy Liu Is Waymo actually deployed anywhere now (2019)? For example, Uber did a trial in one city, a desert (dry, little rain) wide modern roads they used High-density mapping and in the end, they killed a pedestrian walking her bike across the road. I would say Uber is far from a full self-driving solution that will work everywhere. There is a reason these other companies are deploying in single cities. They are trying to simplify the problem because they don't yet have a general solution.
@Jeremy Liu Honest question: can you explain how they are way more ahead? Although they claim to have a level 4 system (which still requires driver supervision), it seems by infrastructure and hardware alone that Tesla is winning this race which will help them quickly catch up and pass competitors on software. Thanks!
Watch the first movie "total recall" and will see all of the technologies Musk is employing. Cars with goldwings, self driving cars, tunnel train transportation and Mar colonies etc.
Now I understand why Elon is virtually shitting his pants about the future capabilities of AI.
If by "natural " you mean awkward then yes.
Is AI going to know when there is a problem with the car such as a flat tire? Will it stop if there's a minor car accident? How will Tesla deter vandalism? I think the interiors will get trashed.
A million robotaxis by the end of 2020!? Now that is hard to believe.
@Matt Carrell When you're that wordy, you're probably an idiot.
Nobody has proposed to remove the steering wheels from Tesla cars. Even if you want to drive the car 100% of the time, an you can, it's nice to have a responsible system backing up the driver by anticipating that a problem has occurred (driver falling asleep or drunk or heart attack disabling their driving) and that the system ha been developed deeply enough to safely take-over in the abence of correct safe input from the driver and safely bring the car to a hospital when the driver doesn't respond, or park the car and notify 911 there is a problem with unresponsive driver. This will save many lives. It isn't necessarily as you seem to think being developed exclusively for the purpose of removing driving from people as an activity. However that said, I agree that they should take the ability of humans to drive away where the AI is safer when it comes to non-personal kinds of riving like trucks carrying cargo. Trucks are the most dangerous vehicles on the road and a a former driver, as much as I wouldn't have wanted to lose my job, I saw too much, heard too much and know too much about the rates of accidents and even one of my co-drivers fell asleep and destroyed the truck an could have killed his driver at the time because he had been doing drugs (the very reason I dumped him as a cod river) just months before he had the accident. Computers don't have unpredictable behavior, they don't do recreational drugs, they have no "bad days".. and are more trustworthy if properly designed to guide hazardous loads down the road. Humans are to fallible. I'd rather keep the wheel but allow the computer to override manual inputs when its clear there is a clear and present danger where quick automatic action can protect the safety of the vehicle and driver..1
Yeah anyone comparing Elon to Elizabeth Holmes is laughably clueless, dismissed.
Just build some cars already ...waiting lists are ridicules..ridicules..ridicules
The depth prediction by monocular camera images is the same process neural networks do for deep fake videos which serener one face over another. They can infer depth from shadows, from movement over time (size change), reflection, occlusion, and path prediction.
Watching this video convince me to get my model 3 :)
Just an idea.....Car lock and start based on one simple question....Do you trust in me?
Using your advanced GUIs will probably assist in that process.
Not necessarily because I think that it could work symbiotically. They will just have to maybe touch up on their electronics mechanics skills.
Its just a Gideon type situation, a weeding out of those that do not belong to the god that they serve.
If the board of directors aren't engineers and can't understand progress and disruptions, they should quit. Board of directors don't design cars and can't possibly understand this particular presentation.
2:20:25 "If you buy a car that does not have the hardware necessary for Full Self Driving, it is like buying a HORSE! And the only car that has the hardware necessary for Full Self Driving is a TESLA!" Im SOLD!
Tesla rules
Tesla fleecing liberals 2.0.
now the crooked uber will have something to fear and I hope they shut lyft and uber down for good. Everyone should stop using the ride share. They can allow anyone to ride with a certain person that can do you harm. They can put things in the car for you to breath in that can cause you illness down the years. So lets look at an equation. If I have x amount of dollars and I do not like y I can get Uber and Lyft to put y in a certain car and pump poison in the vehicle to hurt y and this can be done many times causing y medical problems. At least with telsa this cannot happen. And it can work both ways. If a driver is in a car they can put certain people, customers in the car and they can potentially hurt you without you knowing. Uber software is compromised and they are allowing this to happen.
@Coach’s Corner are videos of the demo supposed to be released?
Smooth talking and confidence are not the same thing.
Damn $20 a share? Fucking Niceeeeeeeeeeeee
I wanna buy one, why you guys don't sell the cars in Israel ?
Elon , you will change this world, idc what anyone else has to say.
Those money suckers @ wallstreet would not understand shit about what these geniuses are doing...
iRobot moment 2:04:48
This didn’t have the fan fare like the introduction of the iPhone or other modern tech but this presentation will go down in history as one of the most important moments in tech. I was blown away. I don’t own a Tesla (in fact I just purchased a nice new Lexus ... which I now realize is just a nice horse
27:35 Steve Jobs asking a question
These guys are not very smart. This is not just about gathering data. What is missing is the necessary sensors and CPU and RAM needed to drive as a human can. What is developed is a system that is based on very weak sensors and weak CPU's. And these are risks which will never be mentioned. The missing SW in the system is the ability for the system to ask for help while driving. Example: Ask questions like.... is this black ICE? Is that an oil spill. Is that a driver coming toward us a road rage driver and do you want to leave? And verbal commands like merge or go around to the left. Let the green car go first..... Or "Put the wheels in the guide tracks at the car wash. Or evade the police officer......because he is an old jealous wife beater. Or follow the guided commands from the car wash operator..... The "Human Interface" is critical during autonomous system driving. Tesla has not learned this yet.
This is what Apple used to be like. Elon needs to merge with Apple and become CEO of the new company
This massive amount of ads really cut off the desires to watch the full video, I guess your wallet is okay anyway!!
chris kawahito yeah that guy didn’t understand the cars would be controlled by an Uber like Tesla app. Elon didn’t like his attitude and didn’t bother to dumb it down for him. ‘Just try us then’ he said, lol
Yes, Lord Vader. As you wish.
women in Engineering where are you?? am I the only one here!!
@ophello Yes, big carriers have never cared about the person behind the wheel and they are eager to eliminate the need for human interaction within their long haul business. The need for a human to deal with cities and their traffic will be needed for sometime yet, but the interstate highway is easily handled by the AI. I'd say 7-10 years for full acceptance from all 50 states for highway service and another 5-7 years before they are displacing humans from the "last mile" and the end of the "semi driver" career, so 12 years at least that we'll still need drivers to fill those seats.
At 15:00 I don't understand the comparison of CPU GPU and Nuerolink