Grid-Enhancing Technologies with Alexina Jackson, AES | EP218

the clean Power Hour is brought to you by CPS America the maker of North America's number one three-phase string inverter with over 6 gwatt shipped in the US the CPS America product lineup includes three-phase string inverters ranging from 25 to 275 KW their Flagship inverter the CPS 250 275 is designed to work with solar plants ranging from 2 megawatt to 2 GW the 250 275 pairs well with CPS America's exceptional data communication controls and energy storage solutions go to chint powersystems tocom to find out more absolutely I mean like I said we're taking a systems view so uh AES is a company that was actually founded on on values and this idea of proving that the clean energy um or sorry the Clean Air Act could actually create an energy company um that would be economically viable so I don't see a conflict between um serving our shareholders as a public company serving our customers as a provider of energy or as a utility um and actually doing good for the world and changing the system are you speeding the energy transition here at the clean Power Hour our host Tim monu and John Weaver bring you the best in solar batteries and clean Technologies every week want to go deeper into decarbonization we do too we're here to help you understand and command the commercial residential and utility solar wind and storage Industries so let's get to it together we can speed the energy transition today on the clean Power Hour the grid of the future I'm Tim monigue your host check out all of our content at clean power hour.com give us a rating and a review on Apple and Spotify And subscribe to our YouTube channel today my guest is Alisha Jackson she is the vice president of strategic development and a grid expert and we are going to geek out on what she and her team are up to at AES a global utility uh largely present here in the Midwest and midatlantic in the east coast of the United States but operating in 14 countries around the world welcome to the show Alisha thank you Tim great to be here really excited to bring your your work to my listeners you know the grid is something that we often take for granted but as clean energy professionals you know my my listeners are wrestling with the challenges of getting their projects interconnected and finding places on the grid where there's enough capacity for wind solar and batteries and and these mundanities of the energy transition are a real challenge for our industry so I'm excited to learn about your work and and how what you refer to as grid enhancing Technologies are going to really unlock uh a lot of capacity using our existing infrastructure in many regards it's a both end right we we need to upgrade the infrastructure and augment it in some important ways but we don't necessarily need to rebuild it from the ground up so before we get into that Alisha please tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and how you came to uh be the position you're in at AES thanks Tim yes so um my name is Alisha Jackson I'm working within aes's Innovation business so AES has uh Renewables development U business it has a utilities business and then it has an innovation business which is where U my team and I sit um and I came to AES and to doing this work uh through sort of an extended Journey first starting out in in a sustainable development as a strategy consultant um thinking about how our telefony system and I'm mention this because I think it's quite relevant to thinking about how we're approaching Solutions on the grid as well so thinking about how the telefony system might move from an analog environment into a digital first environment so think about all those changes from you know if you look at an old movie the wires being plugged in and having a dedicated communication line in telefony to this modern Uber driven uh convenience uh economy that is fueled by the smartphone in your hand so that's where I started my work um I then took aay into the law because I felt that the big gap in my knowledge was the Regulatory and legal space and how that impacts our markets and and how we reward and and punish uh activities within Society the sticks and carrots you might consider them um and then came back to as as an attorney thinking through um a number of our interactions with government but also where we might be developing really exciting new technologies and how we would create relationships to get those successfully launched into Market uh more recently have been uh involved in our Innovation business where I sit today thinking both about how we better serve our customers uh how we provide governance and structured to the decisions we make about Innovation and most recently standing up this team that is focused laser focused on the electrical grid and how it might evolve how we solve challenges today um and we move to a more digital Dynamic and distributed grid and Tim I really like how you set up this segment with this idea that um the grid has been perhaps not receiving the due attention it needs it is not the shiny object historically within the last few years people have thought a lot about the exciting assets that get connected to the Grid or the new exciting ways in which um and consumers are consuming or even generating their own power um those have been the shiny objects of the last last several years and my team and I feel very strongly that to make those shiny objects realize their full objectives we really need to pay attention to the system that is connecting the generation the consumption I.E how we deliver Energy across the system I'm curious if you know when we talk about the grid we often refer to it as a one of the most complicated machines that Humanity has ever designed and built but B something that has largely been the same for the last 100 years and now things are different is that a fair assessment I think that's right I mean it is an amazing machine right that ability to flip a switch and and there you go you have this amazing source of power of fuel that allows so much of the rest of society we really take it for granted um and and the fact that it it continues to work so well um I also agree that it it has largely remained the same certainly there have been improvements a lot of incremental improvements to the assets that go onto the grid but we're largely doing like for like replacement sort of under that theory if it's not broken don't fix it um I've also anecdotally heard from many people that we do have a lot of assets that are nearing their end of life in the system so where we are replacing there are still some assets who have been that have been in place for decades so we do have a really fantastic opportunity to think as we're upgrading and replacing these assets that are going to need replacement are we continuing that like for like replacement or are we recognizing that we're stepping into a more modern more digitally powered society that our grid is already dynamic in nature we're just not visualizing that and making use of that capability um and so we have this great moment to to really take a step change in the direction of a more modern grid you know one of the m of Transformations that that I think is just front and center for energy professionals is the decentralization right we're going from a world of centralized power plants whether they're coal gas nuclear to one of a combination of yes there will be large renewable wind solar and Battery farms uh these are 100 megawatt plus now gwatt plus scale uh you uh generators and then the Advent of rooftop solar um at the opposite end right at the at the point of use and um you know given our sophisticated computer technology and truly you know like a solar inverter is a computer and and so it just kind of makes sense to me that there's no reason we can't uh transcend you know include and transcend I guess is the expression that I really like include the best of the past and and transcend that and and move forward in a new way so to speak because obviously rooftop solar and and you know behind the meter batteries are a huge potential and there's no reason why we shouldn't Embrace that and Meanwhile we're going to be consuming way way way more you know three or four times more electricity as we build data centers as we Electrify transportation and Industry and HVAC Etc so paint a picture for our listeners though Alish what is the purview of your work what are the problems that you're trying to solve and then we'll take a little deeper dive into some of those sounds great so um if you don't mind me I'll just sort of grab a little bit of what you were describing there to to talk about the most Visionary aspect of our work right which is that envisioning the future grids so that we build very practical Stepping Stones with uh the current changes that might benefit the system so as we think about that future Visionary uh view of the grid a number of the things you mentioned in terms of the very digital n nature of the assets that we're putting on there right so I think I said earlier uh digital Dynamic distributed right so if you take those those words the the digital aspect we're adding more inverter-based resources we're adding more internet of things at the end point of consumption um so as we think about just the changing digital nature of the grid you add on some sensors which is part of our very practical near-term objectives on the team right adding greater awareness of the Grid in place um so you add In Those sensors and you have an extremely digital grid so there is a sense of urgency on the team to have us recognize as a system that as we are building out the grid we are making an inherently digital first grid and that means we need to start thinking about planning operating and regulating in new ways that the analog system of of a thermal grid with you know certainly not I don't mean to imply dumb assets but not smart assets um in place is our method of the past and um we need to start thinking about how we're actually inherently capable of controlling the grid differently uh in light of it being digital then you were mentioning the distributed aspect again a big change um in the way the grid is generating and consuming energy so there are a lot of opportunities that emerge as you think about the fact that generation and Supply are now appearing throughout the grid not just in the local area area as you were describing but e even out by the utility scale assets when we put batteries in place they are also consumers of energy and to think about that strategic consumption of energy by a battery is also quite useful so um as we think about that distributed nature of the grid we have opportunities to be much more planned in our thinking about where it's beneficial to place a battery for example whether that is at the utility scale side of things or much closer to load that strategic placement of batteries can help us achieve our decarbonization objectives much more quickly as well as ensuring that we're consuming the best priced energy on the grid reducing congestion in the grid is beneficial both from the perspective of accelerating our decarbonization narrative as it is beneficial to reliability and low price energy which has been one of those touchstones in in the grid for a very long time um and then you know we talked about um you know dynamic right which is just an inherent characteristic of the grid but we've just not been paying attention to it so we've always produced energy dynamically we've consumed energy dynamically and we've transported energy dynamically um by becoming aware and and making that um Dynamic nature visible we can actually start uh optimizing energy flows time of year use location of use um and and really treating the Grid in a new way so the team is thinking about this um Evolution which has some components that are actually quite the same we're just becoming more aware of them and some that are are driven by consumer desire right so we're meeting customer needs and the last is really about efficient use of the system um you know making sure that we are being more deliberate and proactive in planning instead of reactive which has tended to be the way that we've planned and run the grid today so that's a long description of that Visionary aspect Tim I'll take a pause there and a cue from you where to go next I love it and that's a lot to unpack but um you said something in the pre-show that really makes me think and that is that you refer to the grid as the network and truly electrons are are energy that you can do work with with but they're also information MH and and and now there's kind of a hybridization occurring and uh you know everything that we use both on the on the load side and on the generation side can become smarter and more Dynamic and and you know I honestly think that some of our problems that we experience in the clean energy transition for example utilities CLA sometimes claim that well we just can't integrate that much solar this fast so to speak right this is going to cause a problem like the duck curve for example that we have in California and I go yeah okay I I see the graph I I understand that that's complicated to moderate and fix figure out how to balance the grid when you know that sunny afternoon is happening and then the Sun is going down but as you said like the grid has always been Dynamic you've always had to turn up and down the generator whether it was a coal plant or a natural gas plant or peer plant and and now we're just getting better granular sophisticated control of these assets and so it's actually seemingly to me a really wonderful opportunity to just let's go let's turn it on let's truly make it uh fully Dynamic and uh more sophisticated is that a good assessment I love that you're already on board with the digital transition for sure um you know welcome to the team and uh you know I I think that changes hard right and and there are a lot of complimentary systems in place that are tied back to the status quo system so I don't want to understate when we think about a systems view because this really is a cascading set of impacts that um changes hard uh we've got a lot of regulation in place that is tied to the old system right so we've got a lot of um incentives that encourage big chunky Investments by utilities that um you know are like to like Replacements and you know it's hard to break that cycle and say um I'm going to go out and do something in a new way and figure out how new technologies impact my Assets in place and allow me to operate the system differently also it's expensive the transformation itself if we want to put sensors everywhere and truly operate in this Dynamic way um to do that overnight would be quite expensive so I think one of the one of the topics that we want to bring out in in the transition of the grid is that we need support in that change management process we need to be smart about the incremental changes in investment um and how we operate the grid we need to make the system visible so that we have the right data to inform those changes and let me make this concrete um as you put Dynamic line rating onto the grid for example you're able to see the true Headroom of a line its ability to carry Energy across the conductor but you're also able to have situational awareness about how that line is operating and perhaps even where it would benefit from incremental investment so that you can unlock additional capacity that um constraint on the line may be as a result of an asset that's on the line you know maybe an old switch or an old um I guess even the conductor itself could be um degrading over time and by being aware of the quality or the health of that line and the corresponding related assets the utility has an opportunity to make that strategic and targeted investment and then spend additional money on bringing other parts of the grid up to this digital speed and so you know so Tim I think I don't want to simplify the transformational journey that we have in front of us but I agree with you that the opportunity there is enormous and very worthwhile doing and so um I commend to utilities the idea of becoming quite smart about the Assets in place and then being able to make more proactive and leaning in sort of decisions about how they move the grid from the analog system that it's in today into that digital future I think it's so unfortunate that we have somehow created this juxtaposition in society where the clean energy transition is somehow at loggerheads with the grid operators and I'm like look we're all on the same team here we want a better safer healthier future for Humanity every there's nobody on Earth honestly when you sit down over a coffee table and talk about this who doesn't want those things it's so logical right it it truly is like that is integral to our Humanity and and yet we have created a system that is full of these barriers and friction um which I think that honestly we do need to figure out how to transcend that uh I want a I want a a very reliable safe um resilient grid and and and I understand enough about the physics of renewable energy and batteries that to know that it truly is possible um you know one example is community scale micro grids and you know today we don't have Community scale resiliency in so many communities around the US and you see things like you know the storm Yuri in Texas a few years ago that was a serious disaster but very nearly a much worse disaster right and and that just gives me significant pause right that our grd is somehow fragile at its core in ways that are are are really not good for society um we're we're skating on thin ice it seems like and so if we could all lean in together and accelerate the transformation um that would be a good thing and I'm not expecting any any silver bullets from you on this on this particular you know bigger uh problem but I I welcome your comments and then let's talk about some of these grid enhancing Technologies because I think there are some things that that my listeners would be um would be excited and interested to know about that they're out there there are solutions to the problem per se absolutely so a few quick points and then let's get to the gets um so one is um you know I I agree with you we're very excited to talk about system level change at AES um my team is really privileged to think not just about individual project Solutions but actually system level Solutions and that really requires all of us working together to um make that transformation uh you mentioned you know Renewables decarbonization being a very motivating factor for making that system level change I think you know regardless of one's particular ular desires or politics or source of of income um you know the objectives are similar in that if we do make this successful transformation to our Energy System what we're doing is we're Ena enabling the safe reliable affordable themes that have been part of our Energy System um we're just continuing to enable those right safety safety um you know knowing what's happening on the grid is a key component of safety but so is clean air uh reliable once you know what your grid is capable of doing and Performing you're able to do that better um and affordable we're not going to get the amount of energy that we need for a modern society onto the grid unless we use a lot of these new technologies to ensure that affordability so by focusing on the transformation of the grid into this digital grid by attaching additional clean um Power I think we're actually doubling down um on this concept that has been the Touchstone for our grid since the beginning of safe reliable and affordable energy uh so big I think it just makes a lot of sense it helps our economy it helps our health that it protects communities um and so it's a win-win win in my mind and as you were saying good enhancing Technologies I'm happy to talk about those because I believe they are while there's no single Silver Bullet they are part of a powerful toolbox of technologies that enable us to become smarter about the grid control it more effectively um plan it more clearly and ultimately therefore deliver the energy that our customers need in a way that maintains the affordability of our grid the clean Power Hour is brought to you by CPS America the maker of North America's number one three-phase string inverter with over 6 gwatt shipped in the US the CPS am product lineup includes three-phase string inverters ranging from 25 to 275 KW their Flagship inverter the CPS 250 275 is designed to work with solar plants ranging from 2 megaw to 2 gaw the 250 275 pairs well with CPS America's exceptional data communication controls and energy storage solutions go to chint power.com to find out more I'm curious if as the the this this part of ases that you work in uh focused on Innovation is it is is there some greater Mission other than serving as customers and investors or is this truly what you guys believe are is going to be best for AES absolutely I mean like I said we're taking a systems view so AES is a company that was actually founded on on values and this idea of proving that the clean energy um or sorry the Clean Air Act could actually create an energy company um that would be economically viable so I don't see a conflict between um serving our shareholders as a public company serving our customers as a provider of energy or as a utility um and actually doing good for the world and changing the system um we believe that by changing the system all boats will rise and will benefit from that so let's make that very concrete as you think about interconnection as more and more interconnection of energy is studied as a cluster uh you need to have the cluster run better you need to have that study process run better so that our individual projects will also um succeed so it's hard to separate when you're talking about a big machine like the grid the success of the system from the success of an individual company so we absolutely believe that what we're doing is good both for the system our customers and our company cool so let's talk about gets uh grid enhancing technology it's it's it's a catchy acronym I like it a lot and but it you quickly get into some uh ex some technologies that I don't think are common parland for solar wind into battery professionals um we're talking about topology optimization Advanced power flow control Dynamic line rating and storage as transmission so break some of those down for us and um and if you would give as specific examples as as possible sure so um starting with Dynamic line rating uh so line rating um is a way of effectively determining how much energy can flow through one of the conductors the lines that is transmitting energy from where it's produced to where it's consumed um line ratings came into place in in around the 1930s effectively by taking some conservative assumptions about the effect of ambient conditions on the conductor and its ability to transmit energy uh and the goal there was to ensure reliability let's make sure that we don't put too much energy across the line if we do that can lead to early degradation of the asset but also potentially safety risks as the line sags it could come into contact with um other features let's say like uh trees in the area and create some safety risks so line ratings were born out of a desire for ensuring the continued operation of this big machine um that we were talking about and ensuring that it it does so safely so um Dynamic line ratings add on a dynamic awareness of the the actual carrying capacity so instead of using static assumptions um we're actually able to visualize the line and understand how these variety of ambient conditions impact the carrying capacity of the conductor uh so as you put Dynamic line ratings in place you have more detailed High higher Fidelity visibility into the compar the carrying capacity of the line and then are able to make decisions about how much energy you actually want to send in some instances Dynamic lined ratings are uh above the static line rating in fact in many instances they are uh but in some instances they're actually below so there is both the uh great opportunity to make Fuller use of the lines that we have in place but also an important opportunity to ensure that we're operating the lines we have reliably and if those numbers are below static ratings arguably safely and so to go from where we are today to a world of D Dynamic line rating do the conductors have to be replaced and upgraded the conductors do not have to be replaced and upgraded uh there are different Dynamic line rating Technologies and there is also a um you know completely software solution which is ambient adjusted ratings where you would just take data streams um around ambient conditions and apply those to a revised line rating calculation M but we think Dynamic line rating is so valuable because it includes the uh wind flow and the direction of the wind flow against the conductor which has been shown to actually provide um the greatest amount of additional Headroom because of the cooling impact on the conductor and so we commend Dynamic line rating um where where it makes a good investment decision because of its integration of of the wind component um so with a dynamic line rating you're putting a sensor in place some of those are on the conductor itself and some of them are mounted to structures that's the the strategy that AES has taken is that structure mounted Dynamic line rating and that doesn't require the change of the conductor it is just getting eyes on the line so Dynamic line rating can be considered a visualization technique got it so let's talk about some of these other technology and I guess if you could you know when you think about tripling the grid how how much of of that can be achieved by integrating gets into the grid so yeah when I think about the tripling the grid right there is the adding New Generation assets component enabled by additional transmission capacity and I use those words incredibly intentionally therefore I I said them slowly right it's not new transmission lines per se it's transmission capacity we might achieve some of that capacity through new lines but these grid enhancing Technologies are another way of achieving that capacity um they can allow us to also just as we were just talking about with Dynamic line rating be aware of the capacity that's already there so that's no new added capacity it's just better use of the system that's already in place so absolutely gets I think have a huge role in seeing the capacity we already have so we can use it also time of use so Tim jumping to another one of the gets storage is transmission um that is a control technology among these grid enhanching Technologies and what I mean by that is once we visualize it for example imagine that we have Dynamic line rating in place and we can see the dynamic nature of the Headroom on that conductor you can then Place storage at either end of that line and imagine you're generating some renewable resource and right now your line is constrained you can't send it but instead of just curtailing that resource or casting off that energy you can charge the battery close to that generation source and fill that battery up with inexpensive renewable energy and then as the dynamic line rating tells you oh now you have additional Headroom it's become windy let's say you can now send that energy through the line to maybe another storage device closer to where the energy is going to be consumed and even if the the the uh load or the area of consumption doesn't need to take up all that energy at once you have the battery there as a warehouse for those electrons those clean inexpensive electrons and you can Warehouse them there so that when the line might be constrained again or or the uh Supply source is not producing the center of consumption can Now consume that energy so these gets storage is transmission as the example can also provide a time of use solution that allows us to thereby consume less expensive energy that is also renewable and make better use of the generation assets not just the assets that are transmitting energy indeed yeah I mean it it makes perfect sense to me that having a bunch of big batteries big and small is going to be a wonderful thing for the grid right they're just great shock absorbers um and uh I I I I think we underestimate the value of storage um I don't doubt that it's going to be hard to make enough batteries fast enough but that's that's a different problem to solve um what about some of these other things the the these these things are a little geeky uh granted topology optimization Advanced power flow control what are what are those sure um so they're another set of controls they control Power flow in two different ways but um we can basically describe them together so again imagine you visualized the grid with Dynamic line rating you've then placed storage in um strategic places so that we're making the most of our generation assets as well as the ability to transmit time of use and then you can also say well I recognize that I have certain lines that tend to be more constrained than others so with topology optimization and advanced power flow control you can either switch the lines so the topology of the system you can change the topology by changing switches is how it's done today um and say okay I'm actually going to change how energy will flow in the system by opening or closing these switches um or with Advanced power flow control you do something which is called changing the impedance or the resistance on the line so that uh the electrons through physics will flow into a line that is um of lower impedance and therefore easier to flow across so think of it like water flowing through more or less constrained pipes um either by closing the valve or by uh making it easier to flow energy can be directed to the system to make more use of underutilized lines um and thereby making sure that we're not just always hitting one similar constrained line with all the energy but actually ensuring that we're Distributing the energy through the system in a way that just um avoids overloads and makes Fuller use now for our listeners you have written a white paper about this and and so I will put a link to that the the paper is titled smarter use of the dynamic grid accessing transmission Headroom through gets deployment and it makes it makes perfect sense to me that we want to deploy gets so what are the barriers to deploying gets in the United States today well there um they're a little lower as of yesterday because the Federal Energy regul Regulatory Commission did Issue some rules that include the requirement to consider gets in the system so um very excited about the advances we've seen in the regulatory space whether it's through support from organizations like the doe for example Department of energy in um in Grants and also even just thought leadership for example their grid liftoff report has a lot of great guidance on technologies that can help us make greater use of our electrical grid so there's been a lot of fantastic guidance at the regulatory level um and the go from the government um but still there's a lot of Education that needs to happen and so you mentioned the white paper that's one reason we put the white paper out there is that since AES is trying to have this system level Improvement we want to share our own insights and our own um learnings with the larger system to address that education barrier we want more people to understand these Technologies and in addition to the white paper you mentioned we did Issue a case study on our own deployment of dynamic line rating so that's another example of how we're trying to improve education um that case study is also an example of deployment we need more deployments in the system right because topology of the grid matters we can deploy Technologies in our own footprint to as in our utilities but there are other topologies in the system whether that is a radial system a mesh system or even you know the type of customers we have on the grid consuming energy in different ways so we need other utilities to lean in and put deployments on the grid and share their insights from their deployments because that is a beneficial feedback loop on education then ultimately um those who have worked in you in uh in Innovation know this inherently there's a difference between deployment and scale and so we need to start addressing some of those um regulatory challenges that I mentioned earlier the incentives that may be built for a thermal system and not for this new digital um system that we're building so we do need help from Regulators to address some of the incentives perhaps create things like performance-based regulation that can help um align incentives to for example these these more efficient and quick to deploy Technologies like gets ensure that a utility will receive as beneficial if not more beneficial rates of return for using these Creative Solutions that would help us get over um the gap between uh the status quo deployment approaches into uh a broader and and therefore scale deployment of modern technology so what is that performance-based regulation to incentivize uh utilities to incorporate gets or or best what you refer to as best available technology standards sure so best available technology standards which is um I think um complimentary but slightly different from pbrs or performance-based regulations so performance-based regulations can take a variety of forms uh one that is um interesting to look at in the subject of a uh Bill in Congress is this idea of a a savings based incentive so imagine um for example that a utility were to study the U this sort of status quo upgrade of a line and substation and say okay that would cost $10 million as an upgrade versus study a dynamic line rating deployment and say okay that will cost $2 million or you know probably those numbers are even bigger apart but I'm I'm making it a conservative example here so let's say there's $8 million in savings between the two solutions uh then that $8 million could be shared um and the billing Congress you know provides the opportunity up to a quarter of uh sharing of the savings so if it's 8 million right uh then you could have 2 million go to the utility for that savings and 6 million go to the rate payer so the rate payer pays less the utility receives sort of a an incentive around having chosen the more affordable technology to achieve the objective the need in the system and therefore receiving sort of that bumper incentive based on performance on the savings um to deploy new modern Technologies um so that could be an example of a per performance-based regulation um in terms of best available technologies that uh concept which is described in a little more detail in the paper is around if we have known effective um capable Technologies for meeting a grid need we should be encouraged in utilities to use those Technologies um the idea is inspired by Clean Air um regulations right this is not a New Concept to utilities of saying if there are uh good best Technologies in the market then you need to consider their use when upgrading part of the system so if you said I'm going to put a new line a new substation in I should also need to assess whether there is for example uh Dynamic line rating that I should add to that line or should I add storage at the end of that line and you know not have to do as big a step change in the conductor itself and the supporting Towers but by by be able to manage the power flow needs by adding some storage combined with maintaining a smaller footprint for for the towers and conductors themselves AES stands out uh as a goal of decarbonizing its infrastructure 70% by 2030 what is your perspective on that bigger transition that is now taking place do you feel like we're on course and it's possible well for as certainly we are on course and it is possible we recognize that there will be instances where um our gas assets for for example May remain in place for a little time because of a community's either challenge in replacing retiring assets with uh new energy sources for example interconnection makes that a challenge in some cases right it's it's hard to add new energy sources to the grid and so retiring old sources can can be a challenge and so we recognize that the um the movement towards a renewable grid and renewable energy system is a transition so it's not like a light switch you don't just turn it on and off um you you have to go through a transition period but even with that caveat in place we are on track and um our commitment to decarbonization of our portfolio is strong and our commitment to helping our customers such as the big Tech data centers um decarbonize their own footprint is strong so we're definitely here and this is why my team exists right is to help break down barriers that are in place today or barriers that may be coming um down the line in in a few years so that we can continue focusing on that core objective of the company we're going to have to leave the conversation there I want to thank you Alish Jackson for coming on the show please check out all of our content at cleanpower hour.com give us a rating and

a review on Apple or Spotify tell a friend about the show connect with me on LinkedIn I love hearing from my listeners I'm easy to find on LinkedIn or at cleanpower hour.com And subscribe to our YouTube channel with that I want to let our listeners know how they can find you Alisha thank you yeah um you can definitely find me on LinkedIn personally I'm very active there and any new reports we're putting out will make their way there um otherwise uh the information that we covered about those two reports are available through aes's website at www. aes.com fantastic we will link to the white paper in the show notes thank you so much Alisha Jackson vice president of strategic development and grid expert thank you thank you Tim hey listeners this is Tim I want to give a shout out to all of you I do this for you twice a week thank you for being here thank you for giving us your time I really appreciate you and what you're all about uh you are Parton parcel of the energy transition whether you're an energy professional today or an aspiring energy professional so thank you I want to let you know that the clean Power Hour has launched a listener survey and it would means so much to me if you would go to cleanpower hour.com click on the about us link

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