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of the united nations an organization of 147 members who represent almost all of the human inhabitants of the planet earth i spent on behalf of the people of our this is jimmy church of fade to black and you are in the future because you're listening to christina gomez and shifting the paradigm [Music] howdy folks this is lou elizondo and you are listening to my very good friend christina gomez on shifting the paradigm [Music] [Music] hi this is ray sobbs from the nx network and you're listening to shifting the paradigm with the intrepid christina gomez on the x [Music] you're listening to the x network kunx db kansas city missouri [Music] [Music] this is shifting the paradigm i'm christina gomez on the paradigm shifts channel and on the x the onyx network kunx digital broadcasting talk radio are you ready for this because we are about to embark on an hour and a half of ufo shenanigans and paranormal adventures right here is where we look and think outside the proverbial box we jump down those rabbit holes where you get a red tic tac instead of a red pill tonight ross colthardt joins us from australia but before that let's go over some of the more unusual and paradigm-shifting news items from this last week bob bigelow founder and ceo of bigelow aerospace and former owner of the infamous skinwalker ranch has just published the prize-winning essay winners of his bigelow institute for consciousness studies contest for essays that give the best evidence for life after death the top entry a 98-page document which was rewarded with the prize of 500 000 went to dr jeffrey mishlov author of the groundbreaking book the roots of consciousness first published in 1975. in total 29 winning essays have been made available for the public to freely download and you can find them at the bigelowinstitute.org website i've started reading the essays and they really do present strong arguments for the continuation of consciousness after the death of the brain in the case of the number one winner he goes into the very essence of where in fact consciousness may reside being around termed hyperspace so lots to download and read there although this is a fascinating line of research that bigelow's institute is pursuing i can't help but wonder if science proved the existence of an afterlife what would the public reaction be would there be a tragic spike in suicides in other news astronomers are turning their attention to alpha centauri in an effort to find planets that are in orbit there with a new telescope dubbed tolliman head writer for the debrief chris plain is here with us to talk about it chris thank you for joining us tonight alpha centauri is a binary star system and so far no planets have been detected they're using current technology is that right um thanks for asking christina it's a really interesting new project and basically for people that don't know proxima centauri and alpha centauri is a group of stars that are essentially the closest star system to earth alpha centauri is a pair of stars that are virtually identical to our sun where proxima the third star there is a brown a red dwarf star that we have found a habitable there a potentially habitable zone planet around it before but because of the flaring nature of that star and it goes through these magnetic storms where it puts off these huge flares there's just a very low chance of life there alpha centauri on the other hand if we're going to go out into the cosmos at some point and look for life directly that is our closest star system and as i said those two stars are virtually identical to earth in size and composition so they're a very exciting place to search now we haven't spotted planets around them yet but that's most likely if there are planets there because those planets don't transit in front of the star between us between earth and the star meaning if the planet passes in front of the star and we have telescopes trained on it then you can tell by a certain amount of dimming from the starter they call it the transit method and it's the most popular way exoplanets are found but since that hasn't happened here this group from the university of sydney on australia said is there a way for us to do look for planets around the star using the wobble method the wobble method basically has you train the telescope on the start and as it would sound the star wobbles from the planet or planets circling it pulling it in different directions as it goes so the idea with this telescope is it will look for that wobble but it will do us something typically uh telescopes don't do and they will intentionally diffract the light coming in it's called a deflective pupil effect and what that does is instead of a little dot of light from the star or in this case the two stars it spreads it out like a flower like a big plume of the light and diffracts it out and they believe that that method will allow them to spot these wobbles a lot easier and spot the uh the wobbles caused by planets and that is a particularly exciting location to look for in earth-like planet not only because of the stars type and not only because of its proximity but because we already found an earth-like one around proxima centauri right there in its celestial neighborhood so at just over four light years away there's few uh stars as exciting to look for extraterrestrial signs of life and if this telescope is successful and they plan on searching for it in and around 2025 there's a plans to send telescopes up afterwards that will check that planet's atmosphere for signs of life what about the james webb telescope will that also be looking at alpha centauri or the giant magellan telescope so uh there are no projects slated for either one of those telescopes at this point to look for a planet around alpha centauri but it's important to note that all of the time on those telescopes has not been booked and far from it the first year or two of projects as well as the initial launch projects are set up for james webb giant magellan i think they're still building out which projects will get a chance to book time on such a complex telescope uh hubble did release a bunch of neat images recently that were neat to look at so that just tells you that telescope's been up there for 31 years and it's still cranking out brand new data so i would not be the least bit surprised if anything i would expect that at some point in the near future both of those observatories both giant magellan and the james webb will look for exoplanets around alpha centauri and if this mission is successful if tolemon does spot uh the telltale wobble of exoplanet or exoplanets and if they uh determine that that is in the habitable zone i would not be the least bit surprised if some of our existing observatories are pointed at that including uh james webb when it goes up next month and uh by the way it did just get fueled so it looks like it's really going up so once it's up yeah i wouldn't be surprised and i would almost expect that if this toleman finds a wobble we're going to point some other telescopes at it and see if we can uh spot signs of life signatures within the uh whatever planet they find within its atmosphere and you just wrote another article about oxygen on the moon which again will be a bus stop for our future going into the galaxy can you just briefly go over what's that about sure uh this is a really exciting finding so obviously if you want to go to the moon and we want to put a permanent presence there we'd like to build a base there that's part of nasa's artemis program and if you're going to have humans living on the moon you're going to need oxygen there's no two ways about it and as of right now any oxygen you would use on the moon you have to ship with you and as we know every pound we send to the moon is extremely expensive what this latest research found was the rocks and dirt themselves what they call the regolith on moon that top 10 meters or so of dirt and rocks has tons and tons of oxygen inside of it about 45 of the material is oxygen so what this research determined is if we were able to access the oxygen that's right in the rocks right on the surface there's enough oxygen to support the entire earth population of eight billion people our current population for a hundred thousand years so we have found an excess of oxygen on the moon and yes it will take technology electrolysis and other methods to break it out but it's there waiting to be used thank you so much chris thanks christina you're listening to the unex network kunx db kansas city missouri there has never been a time when people haven't seen strange things in the sky our visitors have been here ever since man walked the face of this planet we do know what they are doing to us why would they do this it's integration into the society prior to takeover [Music] we are them and they are us this is the time where extraterrestrials come back hybrids are integrating into 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colthardt who authored the 2021 bestseller in plain sight and who also produced the documentary called the ufo phenomenon which has had millions of views since it went up on youtube in september of this year ross i really appreciate you being with us here this evening how are you i'm very well thank you very much it's um it's a hell of a time in ufology right now very very interesting things happening in the congress it is and there has been recent big news out of australia came with your seven news report published on the 19th of this month stating that australian military witnesses two ufos are going to speak out in it you gave several reports from military service or intelligence veterans most if not all of which went unreported to military commanders or if given the reports were dismissed in your article you voice your opinion that you suspect this is not because of some dark conspiracy of defense and or intelligence agencies to suppress the existence of uap and you ask the question quote could it be that most of them are as confused as we all are about what these objects might be and is it easier to ignore or ridicule the mystery than to deal with it so my question is this have you received any reports or claims that at any point the objects being seen have been picked up on radar or monitored on sensitive equipment and subsequent data recorded and sent up the chain of command yes yes i have um i've i've spoken just in the last few days since the documentary that we reprised went to twitter almost a week ago i've been receiving quite a number of emails messages from people either serving or formally in the military services mainly in the air force but also in the navy who who tell me that a lot of the things that have been seen by pilots off the west coast and the east coast of the united states objects like the tic tac uh large hybrid apartment large black triangular objects pyramidal objects they've been seen and and indeed being passed up the chain by soldiers military people who've told their commanders and there's also a mixture some of them have also realized that it's not good for your career to report these things and so they've quietly sort of agreed with their colleagues with whom they've seen these objects not to report them so there's a combination of both but what i do detect is a huge amount of momentum um there's a senator here in australia called peter wish wilson he's an ex-serviceman himself a former officer trained at one of the top military academies here in australia and he um he has colleagues friends in the military who are now contacting him telling him very similar things that they have also seen extraordinary objects in the skies i've personally spoken to members of australia's air force the royal australian air force the raf and a number of them have actually told me that they have reported to their command that they've had objects flying in tandem with their aircraft uh clear metallic disc shaped lenticular objects that are tracking their aircraft and nothing ever happens and i i actually think i really do think we have a saying in my line of work which is always assume a screw-up before a conspiracy and i know a lot of us leap to the conclusion that maybe there is some dark conspiracy here that there's somebody going around twiddling the knobs and basically saying you shall not report this stuff but could it be and this is why i asked this question in my article because a few people have suggested this to me could it be as simple as the military your military our military british french nobody really wants to admit in the senior command that they are perplexed by this phenomenon we're meant to have an omnipotent national security structure you know we're meant to be protected by our military it's their whole credo that they define themselves by that they're able to protect the population what if it's as simple as they just don't like admitting that this phenomenon is real because they can't understand it i i do seriously think that's a real possibility i do think that there are people in your national security defense aerospace infrastructure who do know the real story but they're a very small number of people i i think and i assume that a large percentage of the command of both of our countries at military and intelligence is is basically oblivious to what's really going on and uh i think that um ultimately what happens is they tell themselves you know what we um we don't understand this it's making us feel uncomfortable let's just let's just ignore it you know it sounds legit and yes maybe admitting that would be seen as admitting that there is an inherent weakness where there shouldn't be in military circles were you also told if those reports that have been passed up the chain just subsequently disappeared without any feedback to the military witnesses and how often does this seem to be occurring to the best of your knowledge okay well you've got you've got the official position and you have the unofficial position so in senate estimates which is a bit like a congressional oversight committee here in our parliament in australia about two weeks ago the chief of our air force mill hubfield who's a good guy he's a he's a top gun pilot you know very well respected fighter pilot he flew a combat squadron in the middle east during the gulf war hugely respected guy but he gave evidence to the parliament that he was oblivious he was completely unaware of any uap sightings that had been reported during his time in command and um he was not aware frankly of any anomalous sightings or reports that had been passed up the chain and the thing that fascinates me about this is the royal australian air force until about the early 1970s was one of the principal agencies in the world taking this phenomenon very seriously indeed and i think mel's just part of the new generation that have basically inherited the status quo where fundamentally across all militaries since the closure of project blue book there's been this stigma this taboo that's been attached to the ufo subject that has essentially made the whole subject matter radioactive and i've spoken to military commanders squadron commanders pilots um pilots of some of our top aircraft in this country and they speak to me confidentially and they tell me that there are sightings all the time in our air force which cannot be explained i've spoken to people in our intelligence services in our military who are aware of what's being seen through the dsp the defense support program satellites and the national reconnaissance organization satellites that we monitor in conjunction with your country the united states through what is probably your most sensitive military base outside of the continental usa pine gap and the telemetry data from those satellites is being done through this facility near alice springs near uluru airs rock in the middle of australia and then it's sent back to america and analyzed over there but there are australian personnel who are seeing the telemetry data and i can tell you i know for a fact that there are regularly anomalous objects that are being seen by these operators that are being recorded i've spoken to people who are privy to the information sharing within the five eyes alliance that is the uk usa australia new zealand and canada and increasingly japan as an unofficial partner there's sharing going on information sharing going on between the five eyes partners of anomalous unidentified aerial phenomena i've spoken to people who've seen this data it's being recorded but clearly what's happening i think is there's a bit of willful ignorance going on and i don't think it's a conspiracy i really don't uh mel hubfield our chief of air staff is a good guy he's not covering something up i don't think i just think that our air force is less resourced than say the us air force which has billions of dollars to our hundreds of millions and i i think their priority is basically keeping the tires on on the f-18s and the f-35s that we've got because we've paid such a mozza for them and frankly the idea of having uap monitoring is something that's completely off the radar forgive the pun ross this is so fascinating but we will be right back after this short break alternative talk you can trust the axe [Music] howdy folks this is lou elizondo and you are listening to my very good friend christina gomez on shifting the paradigm [Music] hi i'm micah hanks and let me tell you something i support christina gomez as a patreon subscriber and here's why you should too she brings all of her unique insights to a whole new generation and all while she's also going through college listen support christina become a patreon subscriber today you won't regret it [Music] hey there it's christina did you know you can get access to an exclusive extra segment of additional questions and answers with all of my guests as well as behind the scene 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get 10 off that's agm globalvision.com [Music] this is jimmy church of fade to black and you are in the future because you're listening to christina gomez and shifting the paradigm [Music] so do you think a new generation then of people getting into the military and government circles in the us and australia may be trying to push uap transparency to the forefront more than any prior time yeah i do i mean look at dave fraver and alex dietrich and all of the other pilots underwood you know all the pilots who've come forward from the nimitz incident i mean they took some encouraging because they were aware and you're very conscious of the stigma and the taboo that's attached to the subject of uaps i think one article i recall reading said that when dave fravo came back from his engagement with the tic-tac the deck crew on board the nimitz were wearing tin foil hats i mean people still take the mickey out of uh people who report the phenomena uh i know there's still a taboo here in australia's military but i mean to give you an example i contacted recently i found in our national archives the name of one of our special forces soldiers a warrant officer quite a senior non-commissioned officer from a special air service and incredibly the file recorded the name of this special forces soldier and he'd seen an object hovering over the royal australian air force base called liamant which is way up in north west cape in far western australia very near to the north west cape harold e holt naval communication station which is a vitally important facility for both america and australia particularly for the us because it's where you send in the event of nuclear war very low frequency signals to your submarines underwater to communicate with them in the event of a nuclear confrontation so it basically makes that whole section of australia a nuclear target and so it's interesting to me that this area which is clearly at the nexus of that connection between ufos and nuclear weapons it's a nuclear facility if you like based on our soil it fascinated me that i found in our national archives a report by two former special air service warrant officers very senior men in the regiment they're the equivalent of seals or delta force in your country and i contacted this guy and he was absolutely surprised to hear from me that his name was in public archives because he'd been a very well respected elite soldier in our military but he was chuffed thrilled that his name was there because he wanted to talk about what he'd seen and you've got a an imminent parachute drop by one of our most elite regiments i think about 100 men were jumping out of the back of a c-130 over this airstrip and as the plane approaches a gigantic sphere comes from the horizon at high speed tracking the ground very close to the ground and this guy was so astonished by what he saw and then what happened because they had four digital radios to communicate with the c130 backups on backups on backups every single one of those radios failed there was some kind of electromagnetic interference that stopped them from communicating with the parachute drop as a result the whole military exercise was impeded and they were concerned enough about this to make a report to special operations command who then reported it to the defence air force intelligence group who presumably also passed it on to the americans i mean it was a very clear sighting of an anomalous solid spherical object that disrupted communications for one of our elite military regiments clearly a national security concern a national security threat and he was concerned about this and what struck me was he's a gentleman in his 40s he's now retired but he was really keen for me to write the story because he said to me that there were a lot of his colleagues who'd served in special forces in that part of australia in this area of north west cape where they keep this particular military base very secure they're constantly practicing for how to stop bad guys coming up the beach and knocking out these towers that would be used to communicate with nuclear submarines so it's a very important strategic facility right on the edge of the indian ocean where russia's or chinese could presumably send commandos ashore so it's a military priority for us to protect it and he was he was astonished that his file was public but he said this is really important that you're chasing this because he said i know a lot of military people who've served in our military forces and they're all talking about this but because of the stigma because of the taboo they don't come forward and that's starting to change courageous good people like dave fraver alex dietrich lua luzondo chris mellon are now coming forward and talking about what they know and we should support them frankly i mean you know i i don't buy into this ufology nonsense that there's some dark conspiracy theory that means that we we have to be intensely suspicious of elizondo or melons motives bottom line is they're pushing for transparency openness ufo disclosure like the rest of us there is keen for military personnel to be encouraged to give evidence and yes there is a sea change happening there is a ground swell happening on the ground and i'm terribly worried that what we're seeing at this very moment in the congress is an attempt by the pentagon to head off the amendments that have been suggested by senator kirsten gillibrand the democrat senator from new york who's pushing basically for far tighter transparency rules to be imposed on the pentagon and everybody listening to this at this very moment needs to get on their blower and ring their congressmen send emails letters to their congressman their senator and lobby for the gillibrand amendments to be included in the defense appropriations legislation because frankly if we don't we're going to be spending another 50 75 years sitting on our bottoms waiting for something interesting to happen in ufology waiting for the disclosures to be made because there are there are very cynical religious zealots inside the pentagon who are trying to stop you the public from finding an ad about what the united states really knows about this phenomenon and there is a new generation your generation that is pushing hard and laudably so for disclosure to come and it's always difficult for me as a journal because essentially i'm a i'm a journalist i'm not an activist but i can see i know i'm talking to people inside the congress inside the pentagon inside intelligence and defense and they're telling me that this is a critical moment this is a juncture an absolute paradigm position point in whether or not the american people the rest of the world get to know what the pentagon knows about uaps you can't sit on your hands everyone needs to get out there and i know it's just before thanksgiving which is why the defence department has done this you're all hoping you'll just go away on holiday have a nice sleepy weekend forget about those pesky amendments that the good senators putting before the congress but in fact this is the moment you need to gird your loins and write letters to your congressman and get in there and start lobbying because i detect i'm really heartened my daughters i've got two daughters and i i love the way they engage with the subject matter they're not stigmatized by the taboo that has been deliberately attached to this subject matter by quite a deliberate disinformation campaign by the the pentagon and by the cia people don't realize that the reason why we giggle or smirk slightly when we're told about ufos is because there was a deliberate decision made in the 1950s that it was time to shut down public scrutiny of the phenomena because it was embarrassing frankly and i i suspect it's got a lot to do with the fact that the united states knows a hell of more about the subject matter that it's letting on yes you're you're so right and now more so than ever and i think it's so important like you said to get in touch with your representatives and demand action and we have louis lozando and all those that you had mentioned they are all very inspiring and doing so much for this movement seeking the truth and accountability you mentioned nuclear facilities and ufos being observed near them and that's something that has a global history many cases including the british raf bent waters case and then the maelstrom facility in the usa have you heard of any ufos have been um observed near the pine cap pine gap facility there yes yes i have look um i i commend to anyone watching this that they should read the definitive book on this subject matter by a wonderful bloke called robert hastings bob hastings lives in the middle of nowhere way way out in your midwest and he's just an absolute hero in my book because he has methodically traced since he was first exposed to the subject matter as a teenage boy the connection the irrefutable connection between uaps unidentified aerial phenomena these anomalous objects in our skies and nuclear weapons facilities nuclear facilities of different kinds and that doesn't just mean nuclear weapons it also means facilities that are using nuclear power or facilities like the one in north west cape and australia the harold e holt naval communications station which is probably one of your more vital communication stations for getting signals out to your nuclear attack submarines in the event of god forbid nuclear war and yes in australia there is a very very close link between facilities that we believe are very closely linked to your nuclear deterrence pine gap the harold e holt naval communications station and other bases that are possibly too sensitive to mention that that essentially are irretrievably linked into ensuring that in the event of nuclear war there is a deterrence against either soviet or chinese aggression or russian or chinese aggression and you know we are we're aware of it but i don't think people acknowledge it enough i i think that there is this kind of cognitive dissonance when i spoke to robert hastings who wrote his fantastic book ufos and nukes rob explained to me something that i've never really understood before he in a magnificent piece of investigative journalism he literally went round all of the um reunion meetings of people who'd served in intercontinental ballistic missile bunkers all over the united states and he just chatted to people got to know them made links with people and slowly but surely he realized it wasn't just malmstrom uh the malmstrom incident in the 1970s every single icbm base every single silo with a nuclear missile in it had been visited by the phenomenon that there were people who were prepared to testify to anomalous sightings over every single nuclear facility in the united states and that includes sensitive bases like your los alamos nuclear weapons laboratory the nevada test range site one of the things that really astonished me when i started going through your archives and your country's national archives was that there's very solid records by scientists people who were at the los alamos tests of nuclear weapons in the very early days in the 1940s almost immediately that we started testing nuclear weapons both in your country and in ours and in australia it's not commonly known that australia was one of the biggest nuclear test sites for the british at a place called marilinga in the south australian desert but every single time there were nuclear weapons tests in either of those countries there were sightings of anomalous objects and here in australia i was just amazed because there's essentially an untold history of south australia the um some of the most remote desert some of the most remote and empty landscape in the world sadly there were nomadic aboriginal people still trekking that land in the days when they were doing these tests and it turns out that a lot of them were exposed to radiation and this came out in a special commission a royal commission of inquiry by the british government and the australian government that took place about 20 years ago it's quite scandalous but in the course of the revelations that came out of that inquiry there were astonishing admissions made that frequently during nuclear tests there were anomalous objects witnessed by military personnel numerous military personnel on radar tracked on radar chased by fighter jets witnessed by commanding officers put up in reports and sent up the military command often cc'ed to your services over in the united states and all too often nothing came of it and one of the heroes of this story one of the things that amuses me when we have the chief of aria force in australia saying this is not an issue uaps don't really feature on my radar is that back in the 1970s one of the head scientists in the defense science technology organization in australia one of our chief defence scientists a guy called harry turner he had been a physicist at marilinga and fortuitously when he was a young 20-something physicist he'd been tasked to investigate some of these weird sightings of anomalous phenomena and he realized and spoke candidly to colleagues of mine here in australia he realized it was real and he was perplexed that the defense department both of australia and of the us seemed determined to sweep this matter under the carpet and so there's a magnificent report which is now being declassified which i had the pleasure of reporting in my book which basically goes in detail into how harry was pushing at the highest levels of our air force to try and force systematic investigation into the phenomenon and he was repeatedly rebuffed sadly he was essentially shut down but what he basically discloses in the now declassified report is that he had contacts in the united states working both in defense private aerospace and intelligence with whom he was liaising as one of the top scientists here in australia and he was briefed quite adamantly that the united states had allegedly recovered exotic technology craft vehicles he purported that the roswell crash was real and it's quite astonishing to read this in a defense department archive document from an official statement an official report written by a very well briefed australian scientist who was talking to your well-briefed australian american scientists and uh he was basically saying there is a conspiracy there is a cover-up there is something being set on by the american government that it doesn't want the public to know and it's outrageous it should be reported he was encouraging the australian air force to take a different position from the americans but sadly and it still seems to be the case 50 years later the australian air force followed the way of the american air force which has been as you know principally at the forefront of trying to shut down public scrutiny of whatever it is the united states government knows about this phenomenon because christina i say this as a mainstream media journalist i say this is i hope one of my country's more well respected investigative journalists we are now in a position with the subject matter of uaps that we can no longer dismiss it as frippery or nonsense or treat it with the taboo or stigma that it's long been treated with this is a subject matter that demands serious investigation and frankly i'm appalled that the new york times and the bbc and other media organizations have greeted the pentagon's announcement today of the ridiculously acronymed aoi msg new ufo transparency group that the pentagon supposedly set up they've treated it with such glib acceptance when in fact what it is is a blatant attempt to shut down the public knowing any more about uaps than the pentagon wants you to know you know basically there is a history here and this is the thing that fascinated me there is a factual counterfactual history going back 50 60 70 years people don't realize that in the 1940s and the 1950s some of the people leading the charge for america's military to be more open and candid about what it knew and what what technology it was in possession of were people from the american military senior generals a senior naval officer admiral roscoe helencotter the former founding director of the central intelligence agency these were people who because of their knowledge from with inside the united states military industrial complex they knew the us was sitting on information and what what the current generation of people don't realize who treat this subject matter with disdain and ridicule and scorn what they don't realize is that they've been manipulated and this was a turning point for me it was a paradigm shift for me as an investigative journalist i realized when i looked at the documentation there was a deliberate decision made by the cia essentially after the robertson panel and the continent inquiry to shut down public interest in ufos and they did this in the most efficacious way possible with ridicule they told the public it's all nonsense you can get on with your lives and just ignore this phenomenon it's just perfectly explainable benign prosaic weather phenomena misidentified aircraft it's nothing to worry about go away and get on with your lives and let us do what we're doing behind the scenes that's essentially the what's been going on since about 1970 since the shutdown of project blue book which was let's be honest a blatant whitewash to shut down public inquiry even jay allen heineck who was originally on project blue book went on to subsequently admit that and what there's a great saying people who ignore their history are condemned to repeat it and this is why we're now at this critical juncture because if we ignore our history if we ignore the fact that we've been manipulated before it's going to happen again without a doubt and with all of that it's it's so crazy to think of that we've just been going in this loop for decades but how how can that not be a cause for concern or further investigation from the public again why why why would the government want to acknowledge the uap secret to the public anyways i i feel like it's admitting confusion and perceived weakness but i i definitely think the people can handle that truth and to be honest i think we can deal with it and maybe even find a a new found identity together to join hands even even with official departments to bring more understanding of this mystery and the book you mentioned about ufos and nukes i will definitely check that out so yeah i i i think you're absolutely right i mean i think we need to look at the reasons why government might be sitting on this secret and and it's funny i wrestle with this i'm still working it through in my head because after talking to people on the inside i'm very very sure that there are people a small number of people in your military and in your intelligence services who are fully briefed into what some people have euphemistically referred to to me as quote the program and if you believe and i emphasize if you believe what my sources say they tell me that there has been since the mid-1940s an active program underway to try to re-engineer to back engineer exotic recovered non-human technologies now i know that's a big call and i know a lot of people watching this might go oh that's just rubbish you know what evidence is there for that but i do think that is a strong possibility based on statements made by for example louis elizondo the former head of the pentagon's uap investigation program where he's acknowledged that the us is in possession of recovered exotic technologies that are currently being investigated you've got people like dr eric davis who's now a very well respected scientist astrophysicist working with the aerospace corporation a federally funded corporation he has spoken a couple of years ago quite openly about the fact that he believes that he's been briefed into the fact that the united states is in position of recovered craft vehicles now let's assume just for the benefit of this conversation that that's the case if i was the head of the defense intelligence agency or maybe the head of the private aerospace company that i suspect has got this sitting in their basement i don't believe it's in the possession of the us military any longer i believe there's been a sanitization operation done i think that's been a deliberate effort by elements of the military and the intelligence services to put whatever this technology is outside of the scrutiny of oversight agencies like the congress oversight agencies like the inspector general of defence and intelligence and i think that's criminal and this is the problem i do believe that there is a strong probability that people have committed serious crimes to conceal what america knows about the phenomenon and it's a big call i know but i do believe that there are generals admirals probably retired who will one day be called to before congress and asked to account for why they colluded and conspired to lie to the american public big call huh i think it's true though i really do i think that there has been an active decision made by very senior military and intelligence personnel out of utter arrogance hubris to conceal something from the american public and they might have convinced themselves that they were doing it for the best possible motives during the cold war i think yes during the cold war during the dark days when frankly both of our countries were living with the ever-present knowledge that nuclear armageddon was a strong possibility i could understand why it might have been important for recovered technology to be kept secret from the world whilst it was being developed in the black but my sources tell me that there's been an enormous problem that this technology whatever it is is so advanced it's so far beyond human understanding that the only way that it can ever be definitively cracked is with a collaborative human effort on the scale of the manhattan project and and that involves collaborative scientific investigation it involves the sharing of knowledge probably across countries now i'm told that there is already an active program attempting to investigate and back engineer these technologies the closest we've come to any kind of recent public acknowledgement of this was the slightly weird crater the cooperative research agreement that was done between tom delong's to the stars academy and the defense department the u.s army when it was agreed that certain alleged meta materials would be investigated by the us army's research laboratories but i'm told that the investigations are much more profound that for years there's been an active investigation going on into recovered technologies we've actually had now officials on the record and i this is so frustrating because a lot of mainstream media when they actually talk to me i i'm getting a lot of phone calls from journo friends in major newspaper groups and television stations all around the world who've read my book and they're saying how can you be so sure about this and i've said to them go and talk to your own sources because it's not too hard to push aside the veil and find people inside the pentagon the defence and intelligence infrastructure who are prepared to talk about this privately they're terrified about speaking publicly because it does involve you know a questionable incursion on their security oath but the reality is that privately now for quite some years there's been an acknowledgment emanating from key sections of the pentagon and intelligence services that yes the united states is in possession of technology that it's trying to back engineer and the problem for why the you know why the public's not being told this i think the key issue is they've been lied to so many lies have been told to cover this up for what i see as you know people telling themselves that they were doing it for noble reasons it was noble cause corruption if you like they they basically decided like cops do to plant evidence on a crook they decided that the best thing to do would be to purge themselves before senate intelligence committees and congressional oversight committees and basically lie and indeed the president's science advisor in 2011 under barack obama put out a press release officially on behalf of the president officially denying any knowledge of alien visitations or et visitations to this planet or indeed of any recovered technologies now surely we are now in a position where even on the public record the uap task force report to congress in june this year raises serious questions about the credibility of that denial that was made by the obama white house because this seems to be an implicit acknowledgement in the uap task force report that it wasn't russian it wasn't chinese and it certainly ain't yours it's not american certainly not australia's and the bottom line is if it's not any of those three most powerful countries in the world it's very unlikely to be any others it's very unlikely to be a private aerospace initiative so something someone is operating hypersonic incredibly well-propulsioned anti-gravity technology in our skies oceans and orbit and we don't know what they are the possible we are coming up against a break we'll be right back no problem you're listening to the x network k u n x db kansas city missouri are you ready to read about true paranormal events annex media publishes non-fiction books about ufos ghosts and haunted places time anomalies cryptid creatures and more just like kunx db radio it's all about unexplained phenomena visit www.unxmedia.com to see our list of great book titles by debbie zigglemeyer gene walker devin listrom wayne lawrence bill spicer and yours truly margie k that's on xmedia.com [Music] howdy folks this is lou elizondo and you are listening 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pentagon by the senior levels of government are breathtaking we are on the cusp of a completely new paradigm in public understanding of the phenomenon the uap task force report to the congress essentially admitted that there are hypersonic vehicles operating in our atmosphere and we know also they're operating under water and they're also operating in orbit that cannot be explained prosaically they cannot be explained by any known terrestrial human technology the implication that one is led to by an official pentagon report to the congress is that one plausible explanation possibility for whatever this phenomenon is is that it is non-human that some intelligence of some kind is operating technology in skies oceans and orbit with impunity we're incapable of intercepting it but our senses are detecting it now countless times several officials with inside knowledge people like lua luzondo christopher mellon and increasingly people who've been briefed within the congress senators marco rubio warner is it dennis warner i've forgotten his first name i apologize but certain key congressmen and senators have basically admitted that they have been briefed and that they are alarmed by what they are being told that there is clearly a technology that is unknown to humanity operating here on this planet now i don't know why mainstream media doesn't immediately jump on the bandwagon and start rattling the cage because we really are now at a crucial juncture this is it the pentagon at this very moment is trying to shut down attempts by senator kirsten gillibrand to broaden the transparency and accountability rules at the moment the pentagon's proposed ufo office would only investigate the phenomenon in critical areas critical airspace of national security importance air force bases air force research sites that kind of area when in fact we know that the phenomenon is increasingly being witnessed in areas that are outside of those areas and so what senator gillibrand's amendment seeks to do is to broaden the investigations and to require reporting on that phenomena to the congress including in an unclassified form that's phenomenally important because essentially for the last 50 to 70 years the public has been kept in the dark about a phenomena that our military in australia the british military the french military the russian military i've spoken to all of these different militaries and yours the american military they've secretly been investigating this phenomenon all along and they've admitted privately to me they cannot explain it i i suggest to people that they go and read for example the uk ministry of defense's condine report c-o-n-d-i-g it's available online it's a five-volume report and essentially it leads the reader to the uh retrievable conclusion that the phenomenon is real that it is incapable of terrestrial explanation and that there have been some incredibly dangerous situations involving loss of aircraft loss of life where military personnel's lives have been lost including in russia and and it's never been adequately explained and what i find perplexing is that we're now in a position where we can no longer deny the reality of this phenomena but we have major newspaper groups like the new york times glibly reporting without proper analysis the announcement by the pentagon of the aoi msg which is their new ufo office which is essentially an attempt to shut down public scrutiny and transparency of the uap issue so people should be listening to the louis lozandos and the christopher millens people who've made the courageous decision to step back from their roles in national security and to speak publicly about the fact that they do believe there is a cover-up going on if we don't do this we're going to be in the dark for the next 50 to 60 to 75 years i i wouldn't be surprised if the mainstream media just does what it's told by the government look to be honest with you i i having worked in a major newspaper group and covered national security issues what people ignore is that journalists are only ever as good as their sources um i mean i've i've sought and received briefings on different national security issues from defence officials in my country and in your country i was involved in a very early days in my career in breaking the fact of the existence of what's called the echelon communications surveillance system which is now acknowledged as the spying the communications spying that's done by the national security agency our australian signals directorate the british gchq and different other organizations in canada and new zealand and it took a lot of pushing to get officials to begrudgingly admit the fact that this was a reality but ultimately they were led to the understanding that we weren't going to compromise national security none of us as journalists want to do anything that compromises the efficacy of our military you know if there are good sound military reasons for why the uap issue can't be discussed publicly then i've invited privately numerous senior military officials to tell me what they are they can't there isn't one i can appreciate that during the dark days of the cold war it may have been necessary for strategic reasons to keep secret from the soviets or the chinese or any other eastern bloc countries the fact that the united states was in possession of recovered technology but what my understanding is is that in the early days of the end of the cold war at least as it was then back in 1989 1990 there was a high degree of openness between the former soviet union and the american government and admissions were made by the russians that they've been studying this phenomenon for some time and my good friend and colleague george knapp did some phenomenally good work in going to the soviet union and obtaining documents that showed that the russians were as perplexed about the phenomenon as we all are and i'm told that for a brief period before things got cold again there was a collaboration going on between the americans and the soviets into what the phenomenon was and it's interesting now because my own sources in america tell me that there's no grave concern that the russians and indeed the chinese are rushing to try to back engineer or develop an understanding of the technology as they understand it that has been recovered because essentially whoever gets to control the new propulsion systems represented by the potential of or the potential of free energy systems zero point energy if these things exist they are a completely new paradigm for whichever country controls them and so the tragedy is that we're now lurching into a new cold war where superpowers are basically competing with each other to try and crack these technologies and the public aren't being told and that's actually quite dangerous imagine this christina imagine if out of the cold war in 1989 the soviet union and america had developed an understanding that the technologies represented by this retrieved technology could be harnessed and developed for all of our countries for the entire planet imagine how much more progressed we would be now mars would probably have been a pushover i mean let's assume that these technologies exist i suspect they do i mean i've spoken to people who've told me and i haven't been able to confirm it that the united states has made substantial breakthroughs in anti-gravity but all of this is being developed in the black i just don't know what to think but the tragedy would be if as a result of super super power confrontations these technologies were being withheld from the rest of the planet well i keep saying i i believe disclosure will eventually come from the public from the people so talking about security keeping or talking about secretly keeping an eye on what's going on over the years it has been repeatedly speculated that different nations have specialized covert agencies that do keep track of uap related events be they sightings or sightings in relation to cattle mutilations or sightings at sea of usos in the water in your research even though there may be several layers of government or military departments that don't appear interested in the uap mystery have you come across anything that led you to believe that there is a very secret agency that's keeping tabs on things there in australia or as a part of national security monitoring i certainly don't think there is any government agency i mean i've i've spoken to people who've been at a ministerial level in our government and the political side of the uh the parliament basically running running the defense department and intelligence services i've spoken to senior bureaucrats in our intelligence services and our defence agencies and i'm i'm persuaded to the view that there is not ongoing monitoring of uaps they they bought in in the 1970s they bought into the paradigm that this is all to be ridiculed and stigmatized so the the people who were 20 uh in 1970 are now sort of coming to the end of their careers and their retired old duffers with their feet up on their lounges and they're telling me privately that as far as they know it was never being investigated since the 1970s by anybody in our government but that's not to say that there isn't what i believe is the case i do believe that the technology that is in possession of the united states has been deliberately divested to private aerospace um i know this is a controversial allegation but i think that there's been a deliberate attempt by certain sections of your military and intelligence services to avoid accountability and transparency and this is what they're worried about they've actually committed crimes they've avoided admitting to oversight committees of the us congress that there is technology that has been quietly hived off into private aerospace companies and i've been told by people in [Music] have to be careful here let me just say i'm aware of claims that there is a group of ex-military who go around the world investigating the phenomena and my understanding is they're not paid by any government they're paid by a private aerospace company based out of long beach california i've spoken to former military personnel who claim to have been part of that body a number of them are people who've worked for our defense signals directorate it was as it was then known or other intelligence or military services in our country but i'm told there is a collaborative effort

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