ReVillaging April 7, 2021: Emerging new visions for work and family

ReVillaging April 7, 2021: Emerging new visions for work and family

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Great. Hey, guess what? We're starting one  minute early ‘cause it felt like the right time.   So you know what? I want to say a good  hearty welcome to everybody in the room.   We can see each other on the screen. So I want to  welcome you Mariam and Blyth. It's wonderful to   be with you, Jenn and Erin. Caroline. Thank  you for coming. Caro-line, or “Caro-lynn”?   Caroline. Caroline. All right, “Guid-a.” Is that  correct? Am I right? Gyda. Gyda. Gyda? Gyda. Gyda.  

Thank you so much, Gyda. Mr. Jacob  Sales and the son called Blue.   Wonderful to be with you, Belinda, as  well. Maggie, and who's with you, Maggie? This is Pippa. Hello, Pippa. We're happy that you're here.  

Dayna, wonderful that you're with this  as well. And Maia, is that correct? Yes, that's correct. Thank you. Right-o. And, and um, Patty. Wonderful. Jennifer  and Anthonia, Hilary, Rosalyn and Madeleine.   Jenna. Well, let's do this. Let's take  our cameras off. We're gonna do a little   moment here. If you can reach your camera over the  child in your lap, just turn your camera off. And  

I'm gonna ask you a question. And you turn it  on if it's true for you. I will include myself. Vanessa, you're muted. Can you believe that I turned off my mic and  left my camera on. Thank you. Let's start again.   If you have arrived from someplace  else and feel as though you flew across   the universe to arrive at this meeting on time,  show us your beautiful face. So that was Jacob,  

that's Vanessa. A few. So about half  of us have flown in. Okay, cameras off.   If you've had a good day of  measure and you're arriving,   settled and ready to roll, please  show us your beautiful face.   Nice. Well, that's even more than half of us.  

This is good. We count on you  for this. Cameras off, please.   If you are ready to sit in quietude, for one  glorious minute while we stew our togetherness   and sit and hold space for the thoughts…Let   me just get my little…Yeah, for our thoughts.  And our intentions to come together.   Keep your cameras off. I'm going to start a timer  and for one minute, we're just going to sit…why   we came and think of the others  that we've just seen on camera.   And after one minute we'll begin officially. Thank  you for your time and consideration beginning now. Maybe take a nice breath in.  Make yourself comfortable.  

Officially space to pause. If you’re ready to begin, let us see  your face if that's comfortable for you.   If you want to leave your camera off, we also  welcome that. We love seeing who's in the room.

So we just started with sharing something  altogether, which was a little moment of   quietude. And one of the things that I've been  learning from some of my teachers including   Yvonne Rigsby-Jones from the Snu…Snu…Snuneymuxw    Nation—which we commonly call Nanaimo—First  Nation. And with M̓i tel'nexw, which is   a Squamish leadership organization, and I just had  the pleasure and privilege of participating in.   One of the things I'm trying to  do—hm. Is that right? One of the   things I'm welcoming in to my practice is how  to—one, say, acknowledge the land of the Musqueam,   the Squamish and the Tseil-Waututh  that we're living on un-surrendered,   un-offered, stolen land, that I might be a  better guest, and give my attention, pay my   attention to the hosts. Who for maybe close to  200 years have been trying to help us behave.  

Trying to say, there is a way that  we can be in the world together.   And some of that comes with sitting in quiet.  Sometimes what I've been noticing is like Yvonne,   before she speaks, we've been doing a class  together, and we'll be doing it for months.   She just pauses, and she waits  till her thoughts are clear.  

And sometimes when she's not clear, this is  what she's told us. She just says, hm. What   do I need to say right now? Is there anything to  say right now? She just creates her own space.   It's not hurried. And that's why I wanted to start  with a moment of quiet together so that for those  

of us that arrived hurried, we could catch up with  the rest of you that are kind of cool and easy.   And we can meet you where you are. ‘Cause that's  my responsibility as a guest, to be fully present.   And I'm hoping that the work we do here today  can make us present to each other's gifts,   the teachings, and all the good things that  you carry, and all the concerns that you carry,   that we might be able to meet some of  them and shift and change some of them.   I want to welcome the brothers that are  in the room who carry a special—and yeah,   it's a little gendered. I know. Sometimes I'm  a little old fashioned, but I just want to  

recognize that it's really common for women  to show up in these kinds of conversations.   So I appreciate all genders showing up in this  conversation. Maybe that's a better way to say it.   I appreciate all gender expressions, showing up  in this conversation. So thank you, for everybody  

that took the time of your life to be with us.  And may we be good guests, may our conversation   help us create the kind of space that Squamish,  Musqueam, and Tseil-Waututh People would say, “Oh,   they're learning. They're learning how to care  for each other. How to take time for each other.   How to bring the children in and take care  of the elders, and to work with integrity,   and to rest when needed. And to take care of  the food to take care of themselves.” And to   notice this land where we are, for those of  us that are in Vancouver. And I'm guessing,   is there anybody not in Metro Vancouver right  now with us? Okay, so Vancouver Island for   Hilary. And what about you, Maggie? You're—you  and Pippa are on Vancouver Island. Okay, perfect.

Yeah, we’re in Victoria. Thank you. Well, one of the things that Buddy  Joseph, husband of Chief Janice Joseph—uh,   Chief Janice George, said recently that I will,  I heard him say recently, I'm sure he's been   saying it a long time. That this, for centuries,  this land, every inch of it, has been preyed on,   has been blessed. It's been appreciated, and  held in trust, that it would serve us and that   the people would serve it. So this whole land is  soaked in blessings, where we sit and do our work.  

Yeah, thank you. So if you wanted to say  anything in the chat, that could be your name,   where you're residing, the territory if you  know or the language group or the treaty area.   In BC, of course, we don't have many treaties.  

And anything else you want to say to get  us started in a way that feels good to you.   Please feel free now. Give it a couple of  seconds, like a couple of good breaths. Jordan from Tsawwassen lands. So there's  two folks. Thank you for participating.   Mia and Aaron coming from the unceded territory  of Katzie and Sto:Lo People, right. I appreciate   that you’re giving us a space and time to  be good guests. Thank you, Maia. Great,   well, good. Good to be here with you. We're gonna  start with the video. And then afterwards, we'll  

introduce you our guest, Anthonia Ogundele as  one of our key speakers today, thank you so much. Oh, actually, um, hold on,  hold on, I made a mistake.   I jumped ahead in my in my notes, let me  backtrack. I'm going to be like a seal. Like an   otter on my back, right now I’m just gonna float  back in time. And go back to the introductions.  

And I'm all wrapped in seaweed. So let me tell  you about Anthonia. This is a person that I've   had long admired and enjoy great respect and  admiration for. Anthonia is a trained planner   and a resilience professional. So this is really  her time, but get a load of this. Anthonia has a   passion for cities and engaging, engaging  communities. And she was a member of the  

North East False Creek Stewardship Committee,  which is where we met. And through this process   that—when she was on this committee, she  admitted the reimagining of Hogans Ally.   In 2016, she turned a storefront facing  closet—a very, very small space into the   Cheeky Proletariat, which is located on Carrall  Street. And it's an accessible inclusive art space   for the free expression of all so it's  a really beautiful street level gallery.   She recently left her role at Vancity Credit Union  as a Manager of Environmental Sustainability,   business continuity, and emergency planning, right  in time for the big emergency. So like, Anthonia,  

great, because you wouldn't be on your feet right  now if you were still doing that work. And she,   she turned her instead to the emergency of our  kids to the resiliency of our young people.   And she's been developing Ethos Lab, which  is a social enterprise. And it's leveraging  

the cooperative—cooperative model, to develop  an online collaborative platform and creative   coworking space for youth aged 12 to 18. And it  fosters culture and STEM focused on exploration.   And through the Ethos Lab, Anthonia that's hoping  to inspire legacy of Black leadership, as well as   answer the question—and that's Black leadership  in young Black people. It's a space that's centres   Black humanity. All people are welcome. But  we're actually centering the experience in the   voices of Black youth in this way, as opposed  to when those conversations get on the outside   of youth work. But the question that that was me  adding it. Anthonia didn't say that in her bio.  

But the question that she's really  interested in is what might space,   placemaking, look like, when you submit when  you center the humanity of the Black experience?   Yeah, that's what Anthonia’s up for and I  was thinking the other day, too. Because I   started taking this Black architecture course.  What would it look like when we don't have to?   Say, this is my work for women? This is my work  on Indigenous knowledge. This is my work on   understanding my Scottish heritage.  What if we, part of what we're doing   through Nestworks is creating the culture  where we all get to arrive with all of our   multiplicities all over multi versus of selves,  and nobody's on the edge? ‘Cause it's a circle.  

Right. So that's the world I'm really  stepping into. And I thank you, Patricia,   for coming to us all the way by Venezuela.  That's right. Hola, I'm glad you're here. Thank you, Angela. Yeah, Patricia Lomelli has been  working in early childhood education   since 2007. And she's had two children on her  own. And from that experience, her passion   for early learning and education increased.  Like I'm doing. As she changed career paths,  

and continents. For the past 12 years. She's  played an active role in the industry, trying   to understand the ins and outs of childcare so  she could be involved in the educational journey   of her children. So today, Patricia Lomelli, she  holds a bachelor's degree in international trade   and early childhood education diplomas, diploma.  But there's a whole bunch of small diplomas that   helped get her there. Like I got my kids up for  school every day. That should be a diploma, right.  

And is an AMI Montessori certified  with the Montessori Training Center BC.   This is a piece of work that's so exciting  too. She's currently working on the child—she's   working as a Child Care Coordinator for  the Pacific Immigrant Resource Society,   and I'm looking forward to hear about the  good work that you're doing in that context.   I've had an opportunity to be exposed to it. And  it's, it's where we're at. What's up, and now   we're ready for a little video on…Anthonia, do  you want to say anything about this, my friend? Um…can I hope everyone can hear me. All  good. Awesome. Okay, yeah, I'll just…no. I,  

um, this is the video highlighting  different members of our community   that I thought was very pertinent  to when we talk about revillaging   and this is kind of show highlighting  different members of the Ethos Lab village. Great. All   right Ethos! So grateful to be part of  a program that allows individuality.

Through Ethos, I found a supportive community,   had lots of interesting discussions,  and made a lot of new friends. I find Ethos inclusive and very representative. In Ethos, I've been able to see theory  into practice of things I know are true,   and watching them come to life. Like  inclusion, cooperation, and community. Hi, my name is Anthonia Ogundele and I am the  founder of Ethos Lab. We exist to empower you   to transform community and shift culture. And we  do that with providing an inclusive approach to   accessing STEM education. We are in our last  week of our Black futures month fundraiser.  

And we appreciate all of those that  have donated to the cause already. We   are able to expand our programming, create more  opportunities for mentorship with young people,   and also to put on some amazing events to  raise awareness, just like our last one   last week around representation and STEM. And we  want to be able to do this more and scale it to   more families. So for those that haven't been  had an opportunity to give to this campaign,   I'd ask maybe two things. Number one, feel free to  give. If you have a couple of dollars, it would be   great, go to our website, check out our Patreon.  Or you can also do some one time charitable giving  

to this fund. The second thing that you can do  is share this post. Share the news, talk to your   friends about Ethos Lab, tell them about our  impact and community. Tell them about the young   people that are inspired by the mentors that are  coming in and talking to them. Tell them about the   amazing video games and AI workshops that we have  put on over the last number of months. We want to   be able to continue to do that. And we need you to  help us. So thank you again, for everyone that's  

been a part of the journey. And I want to say  thank you in advance for those that are giving. A place to create and connect. We are Ethos! You know, I…I sent the video  and I forgot the light because   I just kind of watched the beginning of  it. And I forgot it was our fundraising   video. And that's our fundraising video,  but it highlights all the things that we   do. But I hope that that gives a bit of  a flavour of what we do at Ethos Lab. Great. Thank you so much, Anthonia we're going  to speak directly about Ethos Lab coming up.  

But as a foundational piece, I'm wondering  if you would both give us the pleasure. And   I'll start with you, Patty. And then we'll go  to Anthonia. What in your personal background   makes you interested in the ideas of creating new  spaces that are youth and children inclusive? What   about your personal background brings you to  this, to this day. To this this day, right now? Sure. Hello, everybody. Thank you, Angela.  That is such an interesting question.  

(Laughs.)You know, like, like you mentioned, the  land where we're in, Canada, is a blessed land,   right? When you come as an immigrant,  you have your suitcases full of things,   but you have your mind full of dreams.  You want a community that is inclusive,   you want to come to a place that you're  welcome. You want. You have this idea of   a better life. That's why you come for a better  future. So when I first arrived to Canada,   obviously everything sounds so beautiful, but  then reality hits, right? This is a blessed land.  

But once you have children, um, things start to  get complicated. It’s not cheap to live in this   beautiful place. It has a really high price.  I am really grateful to be part of this   community. I am Canadian now. But when I  came, it was a struggle. It was a journey.  

So I came with my husband, we…we came, we  settled here, and we started to have a family.   So I thought I—I could work as an international  trade professional. That was my career. Business   Administration, international trade, everything  having to do with customs and imports, export.   So I couldn't because my degree was invalid here.  So I was like, okay. After that, I was like, okay,   I have to go to school again, that is expensive.  I need to work English is my second language,  

I need to learn the language. In that process, I  got pregnant with my daughter. She's 18 now. Um,   wow, that changed my perspective completely.  So I didn't really know what to do. Um,   and I started to look into the different options  that I had in front of me. So what should I do?   Should I keep on working? Should I keep  on studying? Should I keep on pressing to,   to have that better life that I came to, you know,  to, to achieve? But I have this little one in my   belly that I need to, you know, to provide for  and see, how am I gonna take care of this girl,   you know? It takes a village to raise a child, it  really does. Everybody says that phrase. I mean,   it really, really does. You need your  community. You need your neighbours,   you need agencies, nonprofit, not nonprofit  organizations providing different trainings,   English classes, different type of trainings,  professional training. You need a community  

space to bring your children if you don't, if  you can't afford to be in the box of nine to five   childcare. There are so many different situations  for young families and for families in general.   So for that reason, having my background being a  professional, being a new immigrant, and having   so many needs and the needs of a baby, I started  to be interested in this industry and say, well,   I love children. I really want to provide a good  education for my daughter. I want to know what   are the options out there? What are the childcare  options that we have? And I—as soon as I started   learning about the chocolate industry, I came  into the knowledge of all the barriers, you know,   not everybody can afford childcare. It’s a very  complex world regarding regulations and laws.  

You can’t do this, you can’t do that. And  you know, if you go to a daycare, you need   to have certain age and the subsidy only covers  certain amount. So there are so many complexities. Patty? Yes. Patty, I'm gonna ask you—I want  to ask you about some of those issues later,   but I'm gonna stick with you. About, I'm gonna  give you a few moments just to wrap it up.  

Because what I want to know is what brought you  personally, so not so much about the industry,   because we're going to tuck into that a little  bit later on. But like, as I'm, you know, what I   know about Venezuelan culture, because Trinidad is  right off the coast and my people are Trinidadian   and you know, we know what some of the situation  in Venezuela, but we also know that southern   communities have a different relationship to how  the children are cared for. And so I'm wondering,   to the degree that you're comfortable,  just like I'm looking and interested in   some of the cultural impetus you had growing  up around how a new world could be possible for   you in Canada, with also what you were carrying,  like what of your personal life comes into this? Yes, definitely. Thank you, Angela for that, um,   I'm so passionate about this topic.  We’ll get there, we’ll get there. Yes, absolutely. So yeah, the way I was raised and  the way we do it in South America, specifically in   Venezuela, um, well, right now, the situation  is very different than when I was growing up,   as you mentioned, that we're going through a very  hard time in Venezuela but when I first came,   I had this idea that, you  know, the way I was raised,   everybody helps. It’s like a little village. So  you, you count on your neighbours, you count on  

your family members, you count on people around  you to give you a hand every time you need some   childcare. Right? So when I came here, I didn't  have that. I didn’t have a sense of that support.   And that was what I was looking for. And  that's what really motivated me to give back.   Once I got in touch with the different services  and agencies that were really hard to find   because, you know, sometimes the lack of funds  and sometimes the lack of programs makes it   really difficult for families to find that little  village that they can relate to, you know? So… Thank you, Patty. You're welcome. That's great. We're gonna get to everything. And  Anthonia, same question to the degree that it's   comfortable for you. I'm just wondering in terms  of your own personal background, what it is that  

you're bringing to this conversation that you're  having right now about like, how you think young   people could be engaged differently and, and to  the degree that you're comfortable. I kind of want   you. Your story. Not the overarching, but just  you, and maybe how you—you in the system, but you. (Laughs) Okay, I'll try and I'll try  and…I'll try and hit all of that.   Again, thank you so much for…Thank you so much  for everything and thank you so much, Vanessa,   for really, really starting this off right  with in terms of grounding, all of us.   I had a different type of response to  this question that I prepared. But when  

you start asking like, about me, right?  Um, you know, I have a sordid background   from many different things in professional spaces  that Madeleine kind of read off. But, you know,   I'm, I’ve been in music and I lived in Toronto and  so many different experiences, but none prepared   me. Um, or maybe it all prepared me to become a  mother to an amazing tween. Um, who’s now a teen.   And for someone becoming a new mother at  that particular stage and point in, in child   development and growth, my husband and I both  found ourselves quite unprepared to understand   the systematic complexities of the whole  thing. So number one, just being able to access   or have the savviness and connection to networks  that had been established by other families,   right? Other networks and communities that share  resources between each other to know what's   happening, where the deals, which summer camp to  sign up for. You don't sign up for summer camp  

at the beginning of June. That was a hard thing  I had to learn. I didn't know that. And, and the   thing is, that's that I was new at that time, but  there are people who are first language learners,   there are people that don't necessarily are  as savvy to understand that maybe culturally,   in talking to different family members or in our  community. So that, you know, in London, England,   these things were all provided in the school.  So they didn't think that they needed to have   their kids engaged. And so there are a number  of kids that I saw, were not gaining access to  

unique and innovative programming that often was  created, if you're the enriched or gifted child.   And for…and as you start to look at the direction  of where the world was going. And so this is   even in advance of, of, you know, George Floyd's  passing to understand what was happening in terms   of the deep underrepresentation of Black youth  STEM, in enrichment activities in general, that   made that that decision. And that was an emergency  for me to step out of my employment, and then   and really look at community resilience more  than anything, which is a passion of mine. And so   that's how I come to this conversation.  Initially, seeing that there's this need, but then  

taking it a step further on how we create.  We don't—there are these different needs   of whether it be more childcare, more education,  more programming, but we don't ask ourselves how   they're created. The intentionality or interrogate  the culture of which they're created. And so when   we do a robotics class, or if we're doing coding,  we don't dig into bias with the 12-year-old,   we just give them the code, they go, and they  learn and do it. And then we end up in a situation  

that we're in now. Where and, and, and, yes, I was  gonna get into the intergenerational piece there. Oh, okay. And also, I know, I'm   sorry to interrupt. May I interrupt? Or would you  like to keep going and I can… Go for, go for it. When you talk about the, the urgency for  the issue, even pre the uprisings at the   end, as we watch this court case, go on, which  is one of so many deaths, but the way that George   Floyd’s murder, galvanized the world to consider  these things, maybe you could give a little bit of   insight around the urgency around representation  in STEM and even in gaming and avatars.

Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, just the technology.  So I think just everyone on the call as parents,   your young people are engaging with their  friends and community more as avatars,   than they are in real—as real people. They're  online. And that's where the and that's where   they're going to be. And that's kind of the  future of where things are going. And with   Ethos Lab, it's, it's not so much “stay away  from the technology” as it is so much as “let's   interrogate the tools, the systems that create  the tools and skills and systems that we use.” So   when it comes to underrepresentation,  or the lack of representation in STEM,   in particular, looking at, you know,  how avatars are created, you know,   again, the technology itself is  incapable of actually creating   like Black textured hair. And that's a limitation  to, you know, upon looking at different catalogs   of avatars. They're usually set up in different  settings. And Black characters are exoticized,  

in different scenarios in order for people to  choose them for different games like their…   The, the race, the racism, the blatant racism  that has occurred in terms of that development,   that the, I think the community is beginning to  acknowledge, plays a role in the psyche of young   people and how and how they see themselves. So  part of the work that we've done is done. We   did a workshop on avatars and identity to allow us  to, to have young people create their own avatars,   but in that process, you know, interrogate who  they are. Maybe, maybe they were creating an   avatar, and they put blonde hair, and it's like,  why did I do that? To maybe they want to show up   as a strawberry in virtual space. But I think  it's about asking those different questions.   And, and there are many things when you come  to AI bias, how that—how to access employment,   to surveillance, there are many  different angles to it. And I think,   right from the age of, you know, 10 or 11, as  soon as they're picking up their iPad, they,   the kids know how to navigate these spaces. But  they don't—they're still at a point, and I think   we're at a really interesting point where we are  still able to interrogate between the digital   and physical, but it really is quite intersected  now. I hope that answers the question, Vanessa.

Yeah, it did. It was one of the things, and  Rosalyn, can we turn off the admit people   sound please? Rosalyn or whoever doing the tech,  thank you so much. It's such a startling sound.   Yeah, I just found it so shocking when I  found out that there's, you know, millions   of Black children gaming without avatars that  can represent themselves, they're literally   forced to look like other humans. That was  startling and true. So I have another set of   an inquiry to follow. We're going to go for about  another 10 minutes. And then we're going to go   into some breakout rooms. And we'll be able to  talk about a couple of things in smaller groups. A   couple of things very fascinating things, I forgot  to do some housekeeping, I just wanted you to know   that. If you need to go to the washroom, it's  just right down the hall to the left. (Laughs)

It’s the first time I've ever said that. I’m like,  that's really funny. That's a good one. To myself.   I amuse myself. 32:37  But furthermore, yeah, so the bathroom’s to  just down the hall to the left. And if you  

need any snacks or anything like that, just help  yourself, the fridge is yours. And make yourself   comfortable. And if you need to turn off the  camera just lay down or like whatever you need to   do, just please make yourself comfortable. And we  love comments in the chat. Because we have a small   group here. It's kind of nice to stay in  communication that way. Also feel free—does   everybody see the happy face at the bottom of  their screen with the little plus sign? If you   can see it, can you give me a thumbs up sign?  If you can see it. Okay, so that's most of us.  

Dayna, can you see the happy face at the end  of your screen? Perfect. Jacob Sales. I know   you got it. Jenn Wint’s got it over there. So  what I'm going to invite you to do when you   hear somebody say something like excellent, like  the bathroom is down the hall. Sure, just like,  

keep us like in the party. It'll be fun for you  too. You're gonna love this part. Like, just   rock the reactions. Now that my housekeeping is  up to date, thank you very much. I wanted to know   if Amanda and Anthonia, and I'm gonna invite  you to speak leanly about this. And by leanly,   I mean like, take your pause, think about  what you really want to say. And then say it.   Or you can tell me, Vanessa, that's like really  bossy, I don't need you to tell me how to talk.   And I'm not doing that. I'm  just making an invitation,  

about the concept of revillaging, and what that  means for you in the context that you just said   about how you’ve grown. What you're up for. And  what does this mean now? And we're gathered here   in Nestworks. Can we talk about this idea  of revillaging? And why don't we both take   all—everybody take three good breaths. And  then we'll start with Patty, and she'll give   a little room for Anthonia, and then we'll get to  something else. And after which also, if you've  

got any questions from our speakers, excuse  me, from our, from our guests here, that's you,   put them in the chat or raise your hand and  we'll just get in there. Okay, so three breaths.   Imagine as the breath comes in, it's filling  a ball and the ball is getting more and more   concave, which is your diaphragm coming  down. And you exhale the diaphragm’s   pushing the air so the air is coming  up. It's upward motion, upward motion.

What does revillaging mean for you, Patty? Revillaging, I love that term. I think it means  a lot. It means community. It means family. It   means work connection inclusivity diversity.  It means also government. It means union.   Compassion. It means so much.  Revillaging is a concept that we need to   create as we go. I think things are  changing. I think not only because of COVID.   Things have been changing slowly in front of  us. Families are growing, Vancouver is growing,   Metro Vancouver is expanding. And we all need  to put our efforts to be a community, to be  

unified, to change some legislations,  some childcare licensing regulations are   so old. We need more flexibility. We need  different types of care. So revillaging   is real reinventing ourselves as  a community and being more open. Revillaging is reinventing. Love it. Thank you.  Muchas gracias. Ms. Ogundele? Revillaging for you.

Again, I’ve thought a bit about  revillaging. And what came to my mind is,   I'll just go kind of through my thought  process, I thought about village,   the idea of going from the big to the small  and a smaller network or smaller community.   And, and the nature of going to small is that  there's a personal to it, there's a vulnerability   to it. And so when I think of revillaging, I think  of courageousness and courageous communities,  

to be able to be your full self, and held  by the people that are around you. And so   it's almost a coming back to, to who we are,  is what revillaging, revillaging means, to me.   To, to care deeply. To love radically.  And, and to not be afraid to be together.   That's, that's how I describe it.

Can I get a reaction to that last  sentence, to not be afraid to be together?   Tell me how that sentence makes you  feel, to not be afraid to be together.   Put it in the chat, you can do it the reaction. Just transformed. I think that's really the work. What Patty just  said reinventing. What did the thing that so   somebody put it in there reinventing, we've… Reinventing ourselves as a… Reinventing revillaing, and to not to be afraid  to be together. I'm wondering if everybody in the   room could just sort of hold in their own selves  right now the ways that they're being courageous,   the ways that they're stepping through  their discomfort so that they could bring   people together in the work that you're doing,  or the work that you're imagining? What are the   ways that you're working towards not being afraid  to be together in a pandemic, as we imagine…what   our future looks like, together?   We need that more than ever once we move past  COVID. But what if COVID just lasts? Then how  

do we how do we keep holding on? Like, if we're  waiting to be together? How might we be together   now? Like, we have one pandemic, and then and  then another, and then something else? And then   our earthquake, and then and then and then the  satellite debris falls from the sky and then and   then. So how might we be together now, practicing  being together in all of this complexity?   And I'm going to ask you to cast  your minds back a little bit to   think of your own family line, if you're  aware of it. And if you don't have a   personal family line that you can recall,  think about human history. Other times and  

great changes. What were the ways that  people stayed together? How did they do it? Gyda…we can't hear you yet. Unmute. Thank you, Vanessa. Oh, so  much is going to my heart and my head   as we hear from you and Patty and Anthonia.  And I'm remembering a story my husband told  

me. He came from Trinidad as well. But in the way  mid-50s to go to UBC, I said, without a computer,   how did you get to UBC? He said, I wrote by hand  and got accepted. So a story that will always stay   with me about rethinking is that he and his friend  only had enough money to fly from Port of Spain,   capital Trinidad, to New York. After that, they  have to take the Greyhound bus to Vancouver,   because they don't have money to fly. So he  said, people at the New York airport were   very courteous and nice when they said, Can  you help us find you know where to go for the   Greyhound bus? They get to the bus, the driver  welcomes them very warmly, they pay their money.  

Driver says great. Just need about five minutes,  we expect a few more passengers so find a seat.   We're all good. They sit down, then my husband  sees the bus driver attorneys head and motion him   up to the bus driver area. My husband assumes  they didn't pay the right money, because you know,   the currency is all different. So when he gets  to the driver, he begins by saying, I'm sorry,   did we not pay the right money? The bus driver  said no, no, that's fine. I just needed time to   think about the problem. My husband's thinking,  What's the problem? Driver says and actually  

we're not waiting for other passengers. I just  said that to give myself a few more minutes.   Long and short, problem: where the driver stops  to get gas for the bus and not to the left,   but where the passengers can use the washroom,  get a coffee and a sandwich, no Blacks allowed.   So my husband's thinking, well, that's the end of  that till the driver says but I figured it out.   And I know if anybody reports me, I'll be fired  on the spot. But I'm gonna go off route because   I know of some places where I can get gas, you can  use the bathroom, get a cold kind of whatever. And  

that's on the way south. And as soon as we turn  west, no, no more problems. So my husband said,   we knew there was racism because you  know, this was before civil rights,   before Martin Luther King. But we had no idea.  It's not like we're going to the Fairmont Hotel.   We're going to a little gas station area. Blacks  not allowed. So he said I should have been on  

my knees with blessings to that driver who  was ready to risk his job to help us. So I   just want to say that in the reimagining  and the rethinking and the revillaging,   we want to recognize a lot of people who are  also with us in great support. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Beautiful. Gyda? Gyda. Yes. Gyda, thank you. Yeah, I'd love to know your  husband's name. Roland Bishop.   Okay. I think he knows my dad, Rudolph Richards. Yeah, absolutely…I was gonna ask you that  too. Perfect connection. We can talk after.

Yeah. And so like, to Gyda’s point. This  is one of the things I think when we keep   making these, like making the connection. Hey,  I heard you say something. And this is something   Indigenous people always tell  us to…Who are your people? Hmm,   who's your family? Because then if I know  we're connected, like all of a sudden,   Gyda and I are like, oh, we have something so  important to share together. Right? And so again,   what do we do in these times of emergency?  We actually have to identify ourselves,   who are, who are your people? What are you up for?  Are you the one that will take the back route?   Right? Are you the one that will have a gas  station that will permit children to sit at   the table? Or you know, whatever the situation  is? Yeah. So I just wanted to make a little   moment for that conversation around what do  we do when the villaging doesn't seem easy.  

I'd like you to put a question for Anthonia  and Patty in the chat if you have one. Or   if you want to speak it into the room. I'm going  to give you a moment and quietude to think about   if there's a question you have for Patty or  Anthonia, and I'll give you a few moments and   then I'll, I'll invite questions in the room,  but the chat can go…let it rip in the chat.  Maybe if it isn't a question,  it can just be an observation.   What—something else that I've really feel like  I've got great permission from now some of   these teachings is how to praise each other  and acknowledge the people in front of you,   the courage they've had. And say, wow, Patty, I  want to acknowledge that what did you notice about  

their stories or themselves that might make  them feel good to have a reflection back.   And that this time you spent together  can deepen our bonds together.   Um, when my dad came from Port of Spain  to the Stratford Festival for the first   world culture festival that Stratford, Ontario  did, my father was a dancer and a drummer. They   didn't take the Greyhound, he took the train, and  they also didn't have a lot to eat. But he would  

take—he had one sardine and a loaf of bread. And  every time he went to bite the sardine sandwich,   he just pulled the tail back  until they got to Vancouver.   All right, that's my…He told me  that was true. So here's a question.   Is there a question in the room? Somebody wants  to, or question or reflection in the room?   Somebody can unmute. We're not in a rush. So we  can just—I know you got the good ones, Madeleine.   Let's see what—what else is in there. Maggie  Knight, are you comfortable to ask you a question? Sure, yeah.

I'm the one I just put in the chat is, what gives  you hope? And where do you see the most potential   for systemic change? Whether that's towards  revillaging, towards justice, like I'm assuming   that we have a shared understanding in the  room about like, revillaging needs to seriously   act on systemic root causes of all kinds of  crap, including racial justice, including climate   crisis, including all kinds of inequality. But  that's like a whole lot of big problems. And my   day to day life, sometimes it's just like looking  after a tiny human who has a lot of teeth trying   to come out of her face. So like, where do you see  hope? And what gives you hope, specifically for   that kind of systemic change, as opposed to the  smaller pieces? What doors do you think we should   be pushing on harder, ‘cause they're, like, ready  to open if enough of us push in the same place? Were you gonna go, Patty? You can  go first. I think I saw yours… Definitely. Yes, that's such an important  question. Thank you, Maggie for that.   That's something that I continuously think.  Because as time passes, we see more and more   problems and deeper problems and bigger problems.  And we get overwhelmed with all the negativity  

that we see from the media. We also forget that  every single thing that we do has an effect.   We're all connected. So I will say that, even  though sometimes you feel like losing hope,   the hope should be always there. Because we  need ourselves together to keep on pressing,   what doors should we be pushing? So I think,  basically the ones that make the law, right,   so we need to keep on pushing for some changes. So  I am a big advocate for childcare changes. Better   regulations, more diversity and more inclusivity  when you see a situation that is unacceptable,   call it by its name, and—and teach that to your  children to be kind, respectful individuals with   a lot of compassion. So we need this world to  heal, we need this world to be a better place.   And everything we do, always, always, always have  an effect. So if you go get on the bus, be that  

person that is ready to say something if it, if  you know, if you, if you see anything that is   racially oriented or anything regarding the mask,  regarding your child screaming or whatever, don't   don't, you know, don't be silent. Just speak,  speak up. And as a community, I think honestly.   You need to talk to the government. Like  I've seen many changes in childcare,   and I see many people coming together as  a voice. And I see a potential possibility   of changes in childcare licensing  regulation, for example, having   more flexible policies for childcare providers,  more affordability with a $10 a day childcare,   for example. So there are so many initiatives  happening around us and if we don't get together   and we don't support and we don't get  education, and we don't inform ourselves,   it's gonna be really, really difficult to push  doors. So get educated, and, and keep on pressing.

So what I'm also seeing Patty say is that she's  taking care of the childcare piece. So like,   what the thing is that, you know, I see her saying  both be individually and socially responsible,   and then hold elected officials accountable.  But also let's look at the role of policy.   And that policy is another pressure  point where we can go and each of us   is an expert in our own lives. And each of us has  an opportunity to see where policy and social life  

meet in your own existence. And if you can stay  in and engaged in that piece that…Would that sound   like a fair reflection, Patty? Yes. Manage your  social life, manage like, who you are socially?   And, and push on politics and policy?  Anthonia, what about your thoughts? Yeah, I'll, um, I'll try and be quick with this.  But what gives me hope, is, you know, I sat down   with my daughter, my husband and I were having  dinner. And we said, we, I usually say a prayer,   and it's just like, we should just be so blessed  that we're all here and everything's good. And  

then we're about to start eating. And then my  daughter says, what about climate change? You   know, and, and so when I say what gives me hope is  that she cares. They're concerned, and hearing the   young people and the way that they speak about  these issues, you can't…I know, some of our   kids can lie about certain things about having  two cookies, when, you know, they really say oh, I   didn't have any at all. But when it comes to these  types of issues, I see that there's like this,   they're, they're truly wrestling with the reality  right now. And the hope that, and the hope comes   in the conversations that we're having with the  young people. And when I see in terms of the   doors that need to be pushed, and this is going  to be a bit of a hard conversation amongst parents   as well is, we really need to let go of some  of these conversations around the good schools,   or the good programs and the bad places and such.  People are more likely to play basketball with my  

child, then come to an enrichment program with my  child, unless it is a community centre program or   something that's free, or what, whatever it might  be. The biggest barrier around engaging in terms   of Ethos Lab, and when we start—there's Ethos Lab  and thinking about an anti-racist environment. And   now when you start talking about revillaging,  these things take risk. And right now, if we're   going to talk about anti-racism and inclusion  and building these types of spaces, we need to   take the risk of just allowing ourselves to be  in community with one another. And, and for me,   as a mom inspired by my black daughter, I have no  choice. But it for it to be just an anti-racism,  

anti-racist base, it's not a policy, it's not  an option. It has to be because she is, and   our children are. And so when we create and think  about revillaging, and we think about Nestworks,   I know the heart of Madeleine and the rest of the  board. It is not an option. And it's not a policy,   it's about looking at me, and looking at another  parent, and we are going through it right now.   And we're both agreeing that there's a mental,  mental health challenges happening with children   right now. And my child is being seen as truant,  or not doing well in school or whatever, or,  

you know, different options versus no—there's  a mental health issue right now, and   really challenged in a different kind of way. And  so I know, and I see it, amongst other parents   that people see me very differently. And they  don't see me as I—just as another mom trying to   do something or another parent trying to do  something. I think where I think we need to   push is some of the cultural norms that we  have in place that have kept us separate,   different exclusive, and wanting the best for  our kids has, has created a great inequity. So   really, we want the best for all of our kids.  And I think that that's what revillaging is. And  

I think that that I hear in the spirit  of what Madeleine and the rest of the   group is trying to do is that we want the best for  everybody. It's not it doesn't matter if my kid   goes to a top school or not. If the other kids are  still struggling and if she walks in the street,   is still also going through her own challenges.  So, I feel so passionate about that,   because when I became a mom, it became so clear  how I was interacting with the school system,   how I was interacting in these enrichment  spaces and how other parents treated me.   And I'm just trying to do my best. Like  that’s it—we're all trying to do our best. I think your best is pretty darn good. And  I think Anthonia you really touch on it  

that's touched on it in an important way. Because  “good schools” is code word for “white school.”   “Good places” or—is code word for “white.” “Bad”  or “rough” is codeword for anybody that's been   racialized. We don't call it—is it Lord Nelson,  the Indigenous school for young, like elementary  

school kids just off of Commercial Drive? Is  that called a good school? It's a good school.   And it's giving an Indigenous education to  Indigenous and non-Indigenous kids. But that's why   being a good school model, you know, the one right  behind Donald's there by the Vancouver Opera,   the good opera. I want to also point to  what you said Anthonia that you touched on,   and I think it speaks to so Shayna’s issue  about sitting here thinking about folks who   are doing their jobs and living their lives and  not feeling not feeling agency to make change. But   the opportunity is always in our  modeling. Right? So if we touch lives  

of people who seem to be unaffected by the  big issues, then who are we when we meet them?   Right? Who, what are the cultural references,  like if you never read anything, but one kind of   writer, watch one kind of show, do one kind of  cultural event, do one kind of sporting event,   then their world will always stay like so. But  like the invitation, and that's why I think us   as guests on these beautiful territories, we’re  always being invited. Come. Sit with me talk with   me. Hey, would you like—this pow-wow is open.  Would you like to come in the—when we when we   start to pow-wow again? Here's the friendship  dance. Oh, god, I'm so horrified. I'd never do   that. But what would it feel like to embody the  shell dance, and you think that looks so small  

and simple. And then you do it for like six rounds  around the circle, and you're like, Oh, my God,   it's a thigh burn. Right? And you have this  sense of elegance come into your body. And all   of a sudden you start to understand all this  is a dance has been danced on this land for   since the first sunrise. So I think for me,  my—my thing is, I think about the other people,   but I'm thinking about what can I learn? And if  I am talking about other things in your company,   as a Black woman talking about other cultures and  inclusive of mine, well, maybe it noticed that and   then it's like, oh, she must be reading other  authors thinking about other things. And this,   I think, is everybody's opportunity. Even  like, I'm interested in revillaging. I  

don't have children. This is our interest.  This is our opportunity is to do things that   maybe don't seem like they're part of your life,  but they are if you care about the village.   There's too much talking from the host. Let me  stop. We're going to go into breakout rooms,   everybody can talk to each other. You should try  and tell a joke or two if—excuse me. You could   try and tell a joke or two. Just for levity.  What is a good school? Can be subtle. Yeah.  

I like these comments. Actually, let's maybe  we can all just take a moment and read the   chat and make sure we've got a chance to catch  up on some of those things before we go into   our breakout rooms. And how many people are  going to be in the breakout room? Two to three? Who’s determining… Hi Vanessa. So. Hi, everyone. Rosalyn here.  Just a quick announcement about breakouts.  

There will be four breakout rooms. And because  we have about 23, 24 folks, there will be five   or six people per breakout room. Okay.  Great, thank you. And then everybody just… A quick note, you might be  invited, but just ignore   it if you'd like to remain in the main room.

Yeah, this can also be a breakout room.   So why don't we all take a moment if you'd  like you can scroll to the top of the chat if   you haven't been reading all along and take a  moment of inspiration from our friends here. Great time to copy any links that you may want.  Sorry, Hilary, I missed that message. Maybe  

before we go into our breakout,  Madeleine, you could…make   a setup for us. Would that  feel nice to you, Madeleine? Um, sure, I'd be happy to do that. And  that's cool. Um, yeah, that was awesome.   Um, amazing. Thoughts there from Patricia  and Anthonia, and really, I like the way you  

both…Like there's a—there's a challenge, there's  a fight, there's a push. There's, you know, like,   this isn't just a nicey nicey like revillaging,  it feels so good. And it's like, and we need to   end racism. And you know, it's like, social  justice is part of revillaging because if it   doesn't include everybody, if it doesn't include  our elders, if it doesn't respect indigenous   land, if it doesn't include people of colour,  and just everybody, diverse abilities, and then   what kind of a village is this? We're gonna have  the French immersion village per Maia's comment   in the chat here. And it's like, I don't, that's  not the village that we want, either. So yeah,   so anyways, I'm the founder of Nestworks. And it's  just an idea that I started developing a long,  

long time ago. And that was born of an experience  I had bringing my daughter then…she's turning 16,   on Saturday! work with me, and it just  exposed this whole kind of weird construct this   false separation of work life, that we sort of, I  don't know, we'll have been socialized around here   in North America anyways. And so I'm just excited  about it. And it's conversations like these that   sort of bring us forward. And leaders  like Anthonia and Patricia and Vanessa,   and just people who believe in—our whole board.  And so yeah, so I think I'd be happy to move on to   just seeing what is, who else is in the room and  what we want to talk about, because really where   we're trying to go right now is we're doing some  research right now with Nestworks about, like,   what, what do we want work to look like coming  out of COVID? Like, we've been super disrupted,   and it's been all this, you know, working at  home hasn't been comfortable for everybody,   especially those with little kids. So. So let's  talk to each other about that. Because when we do,  

then we will come up with alternatives. And like,  you know, Ethos Lab and like, Nestworks. And   like the work that is being done, what's  happening with the pop up childcare at PIRS,   and hopefully will be happening again. And yeah,  let's just jam a little bit. So thanks, Vanessa. My pleasure. And I just want to say the  comments in the chat are so beautiful. Aaron,   I am wondering, let me see which   Aaron, can you give me a wave Aaron? My heart  is racing, and I can't see you on the screen. I think Aaron went to cook dinner  or something for their kids. Oh, drats. Okay, that was great.  While the comment that they had about,  

they sent their kids to another school,  that wasn't a good school “on purpose.”   And it's just kind of interesting, again, like,  how do we take? How do we take initiatives around   the kind of education and the kind of world we  want to be together? So to Madeleine's point,   if you would like to go into a room and enjoy some  conversation, from what we've been discussing,   we've also got a couple of questions here that  we can put into the chat. I shall do that.   And for our time in breakout rooms, which is  really a nice opportunity to build relationship   with each other and talk and listen, but maybe  if you’re one who talks a lot, you could let one   of the listeners go first. And maybe you could  identify yourself as like, if you're a talker.  

If you’re a listener, you could be like that,  this like…Actually, could we just have a look at   the room? Who generally more often is a listener?  Can I get some of this, the listeners in the room?   So that'd be Sandra. Maia, Jenn, everybody,  look at them. We got Belinda there. Caroline,   can we let them if they're in your circle? Can  they speak for us if you guys are up for it,   and give them a time to collect their  thoughts because not everybody can talk   off the top of the dome. So you can let them  do it and all the talkers will be like this.   We’ll give them, we'll give them a  moment, okay. So here's the questions,   you can carry them into your  breakout room. From that…and  

we will be speaking for about 20 minutes.  Is that right? Let me take a look here,   it’s 6:20. Let's do that. 6:05, maybe  we'll go to 6:23. So good 10 minutes or so.   And now the magic of technology  will put you in new spaces. Down with that. Yeah, awesome.

As—Can somebody else tell me something  that happened in their room that   was noteworthy, inspirational, or  shapeshifting for them? Or just charming. I'll share. It was really heartening to  hear from Gyda that the $10 a day project,   which has been underway for as long as I've  had children and probably longer than that.   That it's being moved forward a little  bit further and that the, the ECEBC and   Coalition of Childcare Advocates BC have released  a roadmap, which I'm excited to take a look at.  

And which actually sounds like a sort of a way  forward where it actually can be implemented.   But also as direct messaging with Maggie and just  sharing our frustrations like just feeling like,   you know, I've been hearing about $10 a day ever  since I've had kids and have gone to the rallies   and been a great supporter of the…the activists  who've been at the forefront of that movement, but   feeling like…it feels like a false hope it feels  like, you know, as Maggie shared in our group,   sorry, Maggie, I hope it's okay for me to just be  like, outing you. But um, that, you know, if ever,   there was a time to pour money into childcare, if  ever there was an excuse to do it, it seems that   the pandemic would have been it. And for the  government, the provincial government not to   have done that not to have taken that opportunity  feels bizarre, actually. And I mean, hopefully,   something can shift. You know, when we see  other governments around the world using   this as an excuse to build out a different kind of  infrastructure. I'm speaking about the folks down  

south below the, south of the border. But  hopefully something can shift and quickly,   but this could have been that moment,  especially when we see so many capable,   amazing women having to drop out of the  workforce full time or part time even. And it's not over yet.

Yeah. And it sort of tangential to that  is something that came up and thanks for   saying that Hilary, because that is the cold,  hard truth. Right now that we're not done.   Patriarchy is not over. And we've got a lot of  work to do. And it's still—it's still so present.   But in one of the people who spoke in  the group that I was in, observed that   one of her children didn't  perceive that she was working,   because she was at home, whereas her husband goes  out to work to an office. So that defined works   for this, this child. And so there was this kind  of like, “Oh, well, you don't work” sort of thing.   And it's like, that's nothing could be further  from the truth on all fronts. And yet, you know,  

just the visual on it was informing this child's  perception. But on the…on the better news front in   the room, one of the insights that came up was  just the notion that even that we're working   virtually, and people are on Zoom. It's like  you trust that people are working. Like I don't   think anybody, I don't think I've ever felt like,  oh, that person is just slacking off or whatever   because I can't see them. Like I think there,  there is something about a sense of pulling   together and deepened trust that we've all  like, we're all just coping with so much and   getting stuff done and kind of nobody’s slacking  off. So I thought that was kind of interesting.

Thank you for that. Madeleine. Jenn, love to  hear what you were thinking you raised your hand. I was in Madeleine's group. So we just did sort of  the same thing that we were just saying we miss,   kind of the before and the after meeting parts.  Like an event like this, I actually just messaged   Caroline and said, I wish you're going for a glass  of wine after this. Because that's sort of when   you get to continue all these conversations.  So we kind of identified that we miss the—the   parts before the meeting and the parts after  the meeting, as well as connecting in person.

So I understand we could have some breakout rooms  here afterwards, if that's possible. Madeleine,   is that something we could do? Because I believe  there's this water cooler moment from 6:30 to Yeah, I… I think you're welcome to  continue talking until 7pm.   You get your own bottle of wine  and just straight. Take her back.

Right? Yeah, don't hold back. Yeah, I mean, I think  the way it's been is that we've at this point,   kind of, you know, thank Patricia and Anthonia for  joining us and that, like this sort of concludes   the formal programming. And if people just want  to stick around in this Zoom, we don't need to   go into a breakout because, you know, we're—we're  down to 20. And we'll probably lose a few people  

now. And personally, I'm kind of hungry, and  I'm sure people have stuff to do. But um, yeah,   that's—that's kind of what we what we did last  time around that seemed to work. Yeah. Thanks,   Jenn. Thanks so much for coming. You’ve got hungry  kids and…all good. Glass of wine in the future.   Yeah, so and also I would like to take this  opportunity to thank you, Vanessa Richards.   The one, the only, the extraordinary. The way  you hold space, there's just nothing. There's   nobody else like you and you are spontaneous and  whimsical and funny and…Super smart. Super smart,  

and so good looking. And yeah, it's—it's always  a treat and like yeah, just thanks for, yeah,   being—being with us this evening to do  that work. It’s extremely valuable. So… My pleasure. Yeah. Thank you so much Madeleine for having  me and to listen to what I had to say and   to…connecting with with everybody in this group.  It was wonderful. I really, really loved it.   And as I said in my break, break, breakout room.  We are working together. We're a village and   we have to continue, right? Even  though things don't look too 

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