The Business Side of Super Bowl 56

[Music] when i think about mobile sports betting operators i think of them in a similar bucket to how you think about maybe insurance companies or car manufacturers in the sense that you know the service they're selling is relatively commoditized but what really makes the difference is brand and mind share among the populace [Music] i'm chris hill and that was motley fool canada analyst nick seipel normally our saturday shows take on a classroom feel this episode is going to be a bit more of a cheat sheet it's super bowl weekend some of you are probably watching the game with family and friends on monday you'll be at work or maybe on a zoom call talking with people about the game the ads and all the prop bets today on motley fool money dylan lewis is going to give you three different angles on the big game and the big money around it so you can sound even smarter when you're sitting on the couch or monday morning quarterbacking with your colleagues the super bowl will air on nbc this year but the network wasn't originally slated to air this year's big game motley fool analyst maria gallagher joins me to explain the strategy behind the switch and what gets subscribers to stick around in a crowded streaming landscape maria let's start with the most obvious question for our listeners if you don't already know how you're watching the super bowl let's go through some of the options so nbc is really where you gotta go you have nbc for cable you have peacock or you can see the game through hulu and live cv subscribers can watch the super bowl live via their nbc live stream you can also catch the game on fubo tv sling tv direct tv stream these types of over-the-top services that offer mbc so it's all nbc either way it's just a matter of how you're getting access to the content and nbc is in kind of a unique spot here because they are home to both this year's super bowl but also the winter olympics that are happening in beijing and this is very intentional on their part yeah so back in 2019 cbs and nbc swapped the super bowl rides for 2021 and 2022. uh this was actually before peacock launched i i have to think they made this move with peacock in mind though they had originally planned the peacock launch to coincide with the coverage of the tokyo olympics which were originally slated for 2020 and later moved to 2021 they seem to be using major sporting events as a big hook for acquiring subscribers and they have so many hours of content they have over 11 hours of content each day this weekend yeah and the idea of live sports and and major sporting events being a hook for streaming shouldn't be all that new for people that have followed the cable landscape for a really long time uh the live sports element was seen as kind of one of the major holdouts for cord cutters originally it was something that was going to keep people with their cable subscriptions increasingly we're seeing live sports being worked into streaming offerings does it seem to make sense as a content hook to you i think it makes sense for a lot of people a lot of people are especially sports viewers are very loyal and so freemium models are models we talk about a lot it's about a company convincing the viewer that their product is worth paying up for so they bring you in with something free that you like but then you say oh these ads are kind of annoying let me pay up for this or i can't watch it live let me pay up for that so for example i always pay up for spotify premium so i can download all of my songs and i don't like listening to ads while i'm on walks and runs so sports are considered to be one of the better hooks you have very loyal viewers american tv companies paid more than 21 billion dollars for sports rates in 2020 even though there are actually downward trends for most major sporting events they continue to be have a very loyal following and they continue to have a lot of sway in mainstream media the current winter olympics are still underway so we don't know what the final numbers are going to look like it seems like streaming has created some silos in pop culture we don't have the big networks kind of with a top-down approach to what people are watching people are able to on their own kind of discover on demand what they want to be watching and i wonder if these big events aren't as much of a hook for networks whether it be cable or in the streaming space as maybe they used to be yeah i think that that's really interesting i think we've seen it change over time so in 2020 the summer olympics had a total audience of 17 million and so far in 2022 these winter olympics the opening ceremonies uh had about 8.7 million people who tuned in it is kind of weird hours in the us to watch it so their total audience delivery was about 16 million when factoring in replays but that's still down from last summer the super bowl viewership peaked in 2015 with 115 million viewers in 2020 it was down to 91.6 million other sports like i said a lot of these major sporting events have seen consistent steady declines in viewership you have the world series averaged 12 million viewers a day the nba championship about 12 million views the oscars which is not sports but another big name about nine million viewers so i think you see with streaming you have so many more options people are so much more interested in so many different things it's hard to have you know when we were growing up it was you only had one option and it was everyone was watching it everyone was talking about it you had maybe some things dvr'd but you were really watching much more live tv than people are now in comparison i think we're going to see more and more streaming shows really blow these numbers out of the water so squid game as an example was viewed by 142 million accounts which is rare it's a it was a big deal for netflix about two out of three uh users looked at at it for at least two minutes but i think that's going to be kind of the trend moving forward as i think we're going to still see those city declines in those live events and increase in people really joining streaming more and more and getting more excited about tv shows that everyone's watching like tiger king and squid game and things like that yeah so i like picking up on the idea of the kind of broader streaming space here because as streaming has started to resemble cable more and more where you are paying for multiple services and the costs are starting to look a lot more like a cable package when you start adding netflix hbo paramount whatever you might have in your basket together even when there are those breakthrough hits like a squid game or in the case of an nbc these huge moments where a lot of people are paying attention to an individual streaming service it seems like churn has stayed pretty high um particularly once you get three and six months out from the release of those tentpole moments for these streaming companies exactly and it's going to be interesting to see how these streaming companies in the future work to try and get people to stay right so they're okay at getting people to come on but now their job is to keep people staying and paying so you saw disney plus daily sign ups of five to ten times the standard numbers around the hamilton release same with hbo max for wonder woman apple tv with greyhound but based on data about six months out only half of the subs joined around the release are still paying for the service so i mean like i said the summer olympics peaked at reaching 17 million people but yet by the end of the year comcast recorded their active accounts for peacock at 24.5 million so it doesn't sound like

those people really stayed in overwhelming numbers so i think that it'll be interesting to see they talk a lot about how it's going to be a big retention driver but it's really easy to switch between providers there's not a ton of loyalty to a specific streaming service and there are like you said so many out there that now those costs started to add up so it's c about seeing what the dominant players are and how they kind of retain retain those viewers yeah i think you can almost split content out into two different groups you have content that helps a service acquire subscribers and then maybe content that helps services retain those subscribers long-term or tactics that help them retain those subscribers long-term um obviously acquiring a customer and then having them no longer with you three or six months out is not going to be super sustainable when you look at the space maria what are the companies that are doing it well doing that's different than the ones that are experiencing particularly high churn i think what they're seeing is they're all kind of using the same strategies and then it's just about who is the most effective at them right so it's seeing who is creating a lot of people a lot of these streaming companies are investing in their own ip investing in their own tv shows so you see apple tv with ted lasso and the morning show i have succession on hbo max you have squid game on netflix you have doll face on each on hulu so you have all of these companies really investing in their own ip but then you also see i mean with netflix you see them losing a lot of their big retention which is those shows people watch over and over again like the office like parks and rec like friends like new girl you have seinfeld coming on to netflix but i think that that's really interesting is what are the shows people watch and then they say okay well i watched i'm here for this one thing versus what are the shows people are so loyal to they'll say i'll pay five dollars a month to watch peacock because i want to watch parks and rec over and over again and i think that they're really trying to create those those shows that have that lasting power and it's just going to be about who's the most effective at it and that i think boils down to money and who can pay up for the the most exciting shows so it'll be all eyes on nbc and peacock sunday but six months from now it will only be all eyes on nbc and peacock if they continue to bring good content into the streaming service and continuing to delight users exactly some of you are tuning in for the big game but we also know some of you are tuning in for the ads a 30-second spot on this year's super bowl will cost roughly six and a half million dollars up a million dollars from last year those are big bucks and they tend to be spent by companies with big marketing budgets to dive into the types of businesses that pay up for super bowl ads and what it says about those companies i'm joined by asset sharma the hustle put together a list of the biggest super bowl advertisers since 2000 and taking the broad view you start to see a trend with the biggest advertisers they're pretty much all household names and big brands we have budweiser coca-cola toyota and the spend is deep in the hundreds of millions if you aggregate all of these advertisers together yeah dylan you know part of this is about maintaining brand presence and staying top of mind i mean coca-cola which is on this list for example it's got a brand that's estimated to be worth nearly 87 billion bucks so it doesn't need the exposure but coca-cola does need that subliminal warm fuzzy presence in the consumer's mind that keeps them placing coke products in the shopping cart and i think for some of these it's like this never-ending slog to remind consumers of certain values that are part and parcel to brand so jeep for example right it's often tugging at our heart strings while stirring feelings of patriotism even as the company is highlighting how rugged its vehicles are slogging through mud um bumping around in the mountains and then you've got companies like pepsico which is on this list you know pepsico is on twice as its own brand and for doritos which actually has a bigger spend than the pepsi brand over the past few years and i think this is just the magic of how you can present one of your revenue streams to the public doritos is always persuading customers that it's this hip irreverent product which is fun at heart even though it's part of this big pepsico jug or not and pepsico itself has a brand value of about 11 billion bucks you know i love doritos message especially in super bowl commercials the message is i am a chip i am a shape shifter i am whatever your imagination wants me to be i go well with mountain dews i can be found in uh taco bell products so there are many types of competing needs that a company is speaking to when it decides to spend that big money on a super bowl ad but i think you're right the biggest part of that is about first maintaining that brand presence in consumers minds yeah and and really it's this idea of maintaining space in in people's minds and kind of living there uh quote unquote rent free you know and uh you know you could argue that maybe this advertising spend is rent in a way it's it's paying to continue to be a part of people's minds in the case of a pepsi or in the case of a coca-cola or a budweiser names that we regularly see being advertised even at doritos those are relatively frequent purchases you know you're you're often buying soda or chips daily or weekly if you're going to the grocery store it's particularly important for companies like that to stay in people's minds because that's a decision people are making often true so these ads are crafted for marketing and promotion value as well as advertising you have to stay in the company's mind and you're also trying to make sure that whatever you hit the super bowl with has this afterlife in an ecosystem that now is flooding through social media that's part of the economics of these spends that potential return on investment gets bigger and bigger every year so while it seems like this is an exercise of awareness it's also an exercise in many cases to be edgier funnier and more memorable so you can spread on to these other channels and i will say dylan to this point about creating some some real estate earning that rent freeze slice in a customer's brain advertisers are increasingly doing this in tune with the rhythms of the way we consume social media so you're going to see this here outside of those heartstring tugging values based ads um like jeep usually has we're going to see more tick-tock than long-form narrative in this year's super bowl spots yeah and doritos very famously uh kind of allowed for creators to be a part of the process in some of their past super bowl ads they had user generated ads and and wound up kind of being able to stoke uh a lot of consumer interest and also a lot of buzz in the industry i like your point there asset about how these live another life and we see often we see often that we get a look at the ads before the super bowl you know often they leak or there are details about them and i think all that speaks to while the super bowl is you know in some ways the main stage for these creative efforts from these companies there is this life both before and after the game for them and if a company does a good job in crafting an ad crafting a message it has a much longer life than just in that game yeah i'm always curious about those leaks dylan i was curious in your opinion um when a super bowl ad is leaked early on purpose do you think that this actually detracts from the buzz or it helps you know i think it helps and i i think one consumer goods company they're not on this list but i think that they've really mastered the idea of staying in people's brains in a way that makes their advertising so effective is domino's and they've done this masterful job of doing these small little spends you know couple hundred thousand dollars here for an initiative like buying gift cards for local restaurants during the pandemic and having this hyper local message this this heartwarming message that then gets picked up we're talking about it right now right by people in the news media that dramatically extends the roi on the spend for that specific ad spot i think the same is true when we look at these super bowl ads if you can create these social media conversations or those water cooler conversations around the office that's really where an effective ad comes in it's not in whatever the costs were to make it and the spend just to feature it for hundreds of millions of viewers for the super bowl yeah you know you mentioning dominoes and these other repeat purchase consumer goods reminds me that not all of these purchases are repeat right some of these are for some big ticket items we've mentioned jeep kia is a big spender in super super bowl ads and i find this so interesting you know as long as you're visible in the consumer's mind you don't have to rent a mansion you can rent an apartment it could be a studio apartment when it's time for me to buy a new vehicle even though okay i'm a mazda guy that little sliver of memory of the kia commercial is enough for me to look up a similar competing model to the mazda i want and i promise you dylan i'm not going to remember that a year earlier i saw the kia ad during the super bowl but this is what decades of advertising refinement has taught the industry it works it does and i think it's going to be kind of interesting to watch how this develops over the years because we've traditionally seen a lot of big brands making advertisements and making advertising splashes at the super bowl you know budweiser spending about 450 million dollars over 20 years for super bowl ads seems like a lot of money it's basically a rounding error if you look at even a single year of their marketing spend let alone 20 years of their marketing spend but we also see that there are some newer players that are going to be hopping into the super bowl advertising space and i would not be surprised if we saw some more performance-based marketing coming from some of those people because a lot of these businesses that take you know that five second swing rather than getting a 30 second spot are betting quite a bit on that placement and are probably using it for a slightly different customer acquisition purpose than the average big brand advertiser asset yeah for sure i mean this year we're going to see some crypto advertising during the super bowl and if you are a crypto.com you're advertising in that super bowl spot yes to build this awareness to try to up your intake of new customers but you're also just trying to educate people about the industry this is what players in nasa industries do they take these asymmetric bets where they know that the total spend could be lost but that payoff can be huge especially if the ad is memorable funny witty leaves a deep impression in people's minds and of course there's so much interest around cryptocurrency and investing in digital assets the probabilities increase a little bit if you're trying to make that decision should i spend on this ad or not you've got an environment that's conducive it's open to hearing the message so these can be exciting bets for smaller companies where it's not a rounding error it is a significant part of the yearly marketing spend and i also wanted to bring up just uh one more thing in this line what about the companies in between they're neither sort of repeat purchase businesses or upstarts or big ticket one-time companies but subscription businesses like t-mobile i feel like these are in a better position than all the other types of advertisers we've talked about because they've already got the customers and yeah they're trying to get some new customers with their latest ad but they're also reminding you of how much you like the company and these ads for subscription-based businesses tend to be warm and fuzzy they tend to kindle up those uh feelings of goodwill that you have towards that brand um and oftentimes i find those are the funniest ads in the super bowl yeah it's almost surprising that we don't see more of those once you acquire a customer you basically have them on a billing cycle type businesses in the super bowl because there's so much attention there uh t-mobile if you look at the top ten really one of the only ones that you could argue is truly a subscription business and we we talk about this a lot particularly on shows that i do because i tend to be tech focused and tend to be looking at a lot of subscription businesses i like to see companies that have a relatively easy path towards engaging with their customers and collecting customer money making that an easy decision almost one that customers don't have to think too hard about it's in stark contrast to what we actually see these are active decisions for a budweiser for a coca-cola even a universal pictures coming in about halfway on this list promoting movies that are coming up someone has to go out and say you know what i want to buy that thing every single time they make that decision a lot of those companies haven't cracked a subscription offering quite yet yeah very true and if you have cracked that code and have a subscription business the way that most subscriptions these days are set up it's an opt-out so all you have to do is maybe kindle that goodwill with a super bowl ad and let's face it you have to deliver in your product the product has to be good it has to create that uh feeling of of goodwill and happiness in the first place but then your customer is not going to opt out right it's just going to automatically renew awesome before we wrap i have to ask you i was doing some homework for the show you mentioned some of these mid-market players and smaller players i did some homework on some of the tactics they use do you know the shortest super bowl ad ever aired no i and if i answered i would totally whiff but can i give can i give you the time that i think it would have taken i don't know the ad that i can guess 11 seconds no and you know what it's not even close the shortest ad ever was a regional ad it was a half second ad for evars i hope i'm saying that correctly a seattle-based seafood chain so we see even small players getting creative when it comes to the super bowl and trying to get in front of consumers half a second wow it's hard to imagine capturing much attention there but here we are uh a decade after the ad ran still talking about it so awesome [Music] the big brands are sure to dominate the ad game again but you're also probably going to see some spots from companies you haven't heard from in the past namely sports betting operators this year the american gaming association is expecting bettors in the u.s to wager close to 8 billion on the super bowl nearly double the current record from last year's game that growth and new advertisers on your tv are a reflection of a huge shift in how the nfl approaches gambling joining me to explain what's going on is motley fool canada analyst nick seipel [Music] nick i think it's fair to say that a football fan from 2010 or 2015 would be pretty surprised to see ads for sports betting in the super bowl in 2022. absolutely traditionally the nfl was one of the most resistant sports leagues to betting part of that is reputational risk concerns that we're going to have folks fixing games this black market industry um what's changed in the past couple years is things have become legalized the big change was 2018 uh the supreme court overturned paspa which was the federal uh restriction on sports gambling which opened up the opportunity for states across the country to legalize sports gambling with within their own jurisdictions and we've seen over half half of the states in the united states legalize sports betting just since 2018 to today so you've seen the market go from from being a black market to now what really is a very highly regulated state approved market all across the country and there's lots of money to be made there famously mark cuban said in 2018 right after that supreme court case passed that he said he thought everyone who owns a top four professional sports team just saw the value of their team double and part of that is you see really incredible engagement uh with sports as the result of sports betting just to give you some figures and what we're seeing on the amount of money being bet on sports in 2020 we saw over 20 billion dollars bet on on sports betting that tripled in 2021 to over 60 billion dollars and we've still got lots of room left to grow so new york just legalized in january of 2022 and without even a full month of being open they set a new statewide estate record for monthly handle which is the amount bet during the course the month of 1.65 billion dollars we've still got florida and california left to open up still lots of money uh left to be made the nfl has been embracing that over the past several years i mean famously we've seen the raiders move to las vegas we just had the pro bowl last week in las vegas that this the nfl signed uh deals earlier this earlier in 2021 uh to approve uh certain sports betting partners uh give them the opportunity to pay money for the right to pay money uh to advertise on nfl properties and so those are companies like caesar's draftkings fanduel points bat when bat these are all companies trying to capture the nfl's huge audience for engaged sports fans and you know if you look at the nfl audience that is a very target rich environment for gamblers something like 4 out of 10 nfl fans or at least casual bettors so certainly lots of money to be made in this space the nfl wants their piece of it over the last decade nfl commissioner roger goodell had spoken publicly several times about how they were worried about the elements that sports betting and legalizing it making it more accessible might have on the appearance of the game because they are highly concerned with the on-field product is this just a matter of the dollars being too big i i think it's a couple of things one uh pandora's box is open over again over half states have legalized sports betting now so it's you're kind of fighting uh the culture right we're increasingly seeing uh this collision between gambling um and sports content uh the other thing um is to remember that the nfl isn't uh a monolith the nfl is 30 plus different businesses with with different owners that have different interests so if you look at somebody like robert kraft i mean he had an early stake in draftkings he was probably pro expanding uh sports betting but then you have some other uh franchises that are much more risk-averse where you know this is the family's entire asset and so they're much more worried about potential risks um that sports betting brings but i think you know when we have this flood of money coming into the space when we have more and more states legalizing um every year i think it's just hard to pass up this huge revenue opportunity and it was i guess the point at which those pro gambling owners really took the four i guess these partnerships that the nfl struck with caesar's entertainment draftkings fanduel and then later some other names that are going to be very familiar to nfl game watchers fox bet bet mgm points bet and win bet these open the door to all of the ads that we see for sports betting uh on nfl games you get a lot of different companies that are operating in this space but doing it differently and sports betting particularly the mobile element of sports betting plays a very different role for all these businesses nick yeah when i look at these mobile sportsbook operators i really think of them in two buckets you really have the the startups the mobile first operators these are the companies that came from kind of the daily fantasy realm so think think about draftkings fanduel the parent company of fanduel is flutter that's one bucket of companies and those companies really jumped out to a significant early lead because number one being mobile first about four out of every five dollars bet um in the us today is bet on a mobile basis also those companies had a captive audience from their existing daily daily fantasy operations so those folks really jumped out to a significant lead and have been one of one of the largest uh spenders when it comes to advertising which is no surprise if you remember a number of years ago when those folks were battling it out for market share and daily fantasy we saw a lot of these same trends today today however in addition to these daily fantasy operators we also have traditional gambling folks folks like mgm caesars entertainment that are not only pushing into uh mobile sports betting with their apps but also have a robust portfolio of regional casinos and that that really gives them an advantage relative to uh to some of these mobile operators because they have some profits to fall back on today when you look at mobile sports betting with this market continuing to grow more and more states being open to legalization uh it's really a land grab mode when it comes to mobile sports betting which means lots and lots of money spent on advertising trying to acquire customers and that that cost a big chunk and so we're going to see particularly for these mobile folks uh losses for the foreseeable future as they try to make that land grab there's a question as to whether customers will be sticky enough to make those advertising dollars generate profits over the long term but that's really uh that the thesis those companies are investing advertising dollars on today the value prop on the mobile side seems pretty obvious for users you know you don't have to travel uh to be able to place bets on a game it lowers customer acquisition for these operators which i'm sure is is really appealing too it can probably increase the amount of activity uh i have to imagine that it also means they're kind of all competing on very similar things here nick yeah i mean when you see a business spend this amount of money on marketing it really is a signal that there's not a lot of differentiation among the operators when i think about mobile sports betting operators i think of them in a similar bucket to how you think about maybe insurance companies or car manufacturers in the sense that you know the service they're selling is relatively commoditized it's not that different from company to company but what really makes the difference um is brand and mind share among the populace and that's why you're seeing folks spend significant dollars on advertising part of that that advertising dollars is spending money on incentives and promotion things like oh we'll give you a free bet if you deposit x amount of money um we'll boost the odds on certain types of vets in order to lure people on um onto a platform but over the long term uh what these companies are going to need to depend on is being able to keep the customers they acquire keep them spending money on the platform rather than jumping from platform to platform promotion to promotion it's still a question uh when we'll reach that point where customers will be sticky but that's what these advertising dollars are being bet on today that that these companies can gain enough scale to to uh to to generate profits over the long term um and retain enough customers uh to really maintain those profits uh going forward that's the big question yeah i think this market's probably going to be somewhat similar to what folks have come to see with investing in brokerage accounts where if you have this highly efficient market uh where you know costs have come down access is increased you're competing on things like convenience you're competing on things like ability to get your money quickly uh you're you're not competing on the odds or the spreads that are being offered because these are pretty highly efficient markets uh absolutely and i think um one thing i just keep thinking about too as we talked about this market getting bigger and bigger right maybe an investing parallel is as as you add more and more derivatives to a market the market gets bigger and bigger and i think you can think of of betting as kind of a derivative on the outcome of of the the game right i mean by the end of the game will joe burrow have 300 passing yards or more right it's similar to buying a call option by you know may will x stock be over 20 a share or what have you and not only are you seeing you know kind of traditional bets coming to the market which is growing the market but also mobile enables things like live betting things like will this next next pitch be a ball or strike will you know this next pass be complete or incomplete and and um so one of the things that mobile allows is just the market to get bigger and bigger and bigger more and more derivatives if you will on each individual game uh to open up and you know there's a dynamism uh that that mobile betting allows that you just can't replicate uh with on premise so uh you know i think the market has lots of room to grow just from continued legalization but i think just adding more and more types and varieties of bets which we're seeing companies do will grow the market even more the nfl expects to generate roughly 270 million in revenue from sports betting and gambling deals this year some think the space could be worth more than a billion in the next decade and nick this is a mutually beneficial relationship it's good for the nfl it's extra revenue coming in for them but the nfl plays a key part in the strategy for these businesses yeah i think that 270 million dollar revenue bump probably underestimates the impact to the nfl if you look at what draftking ceo jason robbins has said in the past that you know uh sports gambling content and sports content really are a flywheel so the more you watch nfl games or whatever kind of your sport of choices the more likely you are to bet on that particular sport and the more you bet on a particular sport the more likely you are to consume uh content related to that sport and you're really seeing that with investments that these these sports gambling companies have made whether that's draftkings making significant investments in folks like dan levitard or it's pen national going out and buying bar stool sports you really see in these investments these companies are making the synergies between you know content and gambling i've seen estimates that it's expected for over 30 million people to bet on the super bowl this year i'm guessing there may be some fools among them nick you did a lot of prep for this show you know this space pretty well i'm guessing you have taken a look at some of the prop bets out there and some of the core lines for the game hypothetically if you're going to be paying attention to one of the lines or one of the bets which one would it be sure yeah the super bowl is always a fun time to take a look at the novelty prop bets out there you know will the coin toss be heads or tails what color is the gatorade going to be pour it on that put on the head coach i scoured through uh some of the uh you know the sports book operators here in virginia not as many novelty lines as you would like but i do have a couple um a couple props that i think are interesting so one prop that i'll give to you is uh is will aaron donald record a sack aaron donald one of the premier pass rushers in the league going up against the bengals offensive line that has some questions i'll take yes minus 190. i i think he's going to come out and have a big day um and then on the actual game itself i like the bengals plus four if you look on paper the rams they've got a bunch of dudes right you've got uh you've got matt stafford you've got the previously mentioned aaron donald von miller jalen ramsey cooper cup odell beckham jr but you're giving joe burrow four points this is uh you know the guy has ice water in his veins won the national championship at lsu a couple years ago i think four points is too many um and i think the bengals win it for you they may not win the game outright but i think they'll cover the spread so those are my two picks aaron donald's gonna record a sack and the bengals are gonna cover the four points [Music] that's all for today but coming up tomorrow a conversation on designing your new work life as always people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about the motley fool may have formal recommendations for or against so don't buy or sell stocks based solely on what you hear i'm chris hill thanks for listening we'll see you tomorrow you

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