i think it's just going to dominate um culturally we're so strong uh there's a connection you make when you start to buy nfts that you just can't go back it just penetrates the the the entertainment industry so well gaming to um you know art to all these sort of things i think from a year or two from now um we went from you know a year ago or eight months ago we went from mainstream asking you know what the hell are nfts to now a lot more of those participants coming in and doing stuff whether they're buying art and stuff that's why we're seeing certain sectors explode um yeah i think we're going to be pretty big i think the gaming sector alone is just going to be huge all right welcome back everybody to altcoin daily my name is austin here with aaron and today we're talking all nfts with nft expert maddie or how you probably know him on twitter as dcl blogger maddie thanks for hopping on with us it's my pleasure guys thanks for having me can't wait to talk nfts so for everybody i'm sure a lot of people have seen the headlines in terms of crypto punks selling for millions visa just bought a crypto punk you know hedge funds are buying nfts along with major influencers like logan paul etc what are nfts and also what are the different types for people that maybe aren't familiar so nfts are short for non-fungible tokens and basically what we've been buying in the crypto space all this time for 10 to 12 years are fungible talks bitcoin is a fungible token uh ethereum everything every cryptocurrency that we bought have been on that side of the coin being fungible in the sense of if you give me a bitcoin i can give you another bitcoin back and there's no uh argument that they both have equal value a dollar has an equal value to a dollar if i give you a car a 1999 current um honda civic and you give me a 1999 honda civic they're both different because they have different um maybe some has damage on it one has more tires worn out etcetera in the nft space and non-fungible token is where two items are different it's a token on the blockchain where it can point to a an image or it could point to a pot of land in a world or a game item and each game item can be different each land item can be different so they have non-fungible properties against the non-fungible token term so basically it's kind of like a receipt or a contract that represents the ownership of a digital item and am i i'm i'm too late with crypto punks correct that's over or am i wrong i'd it depends it depends on your strategy whether it's a long-term thing and your long-term thesis as to where the money is going to come in i think crypto punks are going to do really well i mean if visa is going to purchase them what's happening is these firms they want to connect with the culture of the crypto space and to do that they need to anchor themselves somehow some of them go off to build a decentralized hq presence some of them buy a crypto punk and say yo we've got a crypto funk we're releasing an nfd strategy that's exactly what visa did so if we think that's what the strategy is going to do and there's only ten thousand crypto punks um then it seems like there's much more upside right so what traits do valuable nfts have um it depends per uh game and niche there are different nfts niches right so there's the art space then there's the gaming space and then there's the collectibles in most of them are the most valuable nfts across all of them if you wind it back come back to them being historically significant to that group crypto cryptopunx being historically significant for the the ethereum space or nfts on the ethereum blockchain just because of how big ethereum start to become a superpower in the nfv space so when you wind it all back uh people say well cryptopunx was the first uh it's recently found out that they're not the first there's actually some nfts prior to ethereum and people are finding those and hunting down the blockchain being i guess uh blockchain archaeologists and picking out those entities and suddenly like you see a rock being sold uh for six hundred thousand dollars by justin being bought for six hundred thousand dollars by justin sun because the 2017 project so historically they're becoming significant in the case of axa infinity which is a game which now has millions of players the early axes are now selling for tens of thousand dollars because of that exact reason so how does the average person make money with nfts if your little brother and i don't even know if you have siblings but if your little brother came to you and said what's the easiest most accessible way for me what would you tell them i would tell them to spend time learning uh spend a few weekends diving deep into things the industry is too broad i wish there was a quick answer to things but it's so broad it's kind of like this whole physical collectible industry is now becoming digital from vintage cars to collectible baseball cards to collectible pokemon cards to i don't know pez back scratches that people collect whatever it is right this whole industry is going digital so it's kind of like trying to keep tabs on everything it's very difficult to do so you're eventually finding your niche but i would definitely recommend spending some weekends looking at openc dot io there's a rankings page that ranks the top nft projects by volume so about the seven day volume it tells you everything that's going on it gives you the categories from collectibles to art etc and then kind of dive deep into things that you seem to connect with whether it be art it may not make any sense to you at the start but when you click into it you click the website you see that you join the community you play action infinity for the first time you may feel like you need to force yourself to learn and i think you know whatever it may be just do it because for me art was a new thing i did not understand nfd art i have never collected art before but i forced myself to learn it and now i understand it same with axe infinity so there's a bit of that but a few weekends later it'll start to click spend 50 on an art piece or your first nft and that's the rabbit hole will begin there's no turning back when you buy your first nft you cannot not buy more that's just how it is interesting so and i even want to go more practical in terms of i've learned about it i've seen the most volume maybe just how what you personally do to make money like what do you focus on what interests you the most what interests me uh there's multiple strategies that you can employ with nfts some of them are uh it's very very similar to the crypto space crypto space you have you know trading off volume you've got uh looking at liquidity you're looking at order books you're looking at thin floors this all this economic uh terminology exists in the nft space so for me i sometimes i trade based on you know i go into an nfp project and i'm seeing like 10 to 15 sales happening every minute and i'm like oh this is crazy maybe i can buy one and flip it real quickly for a couple of eat profit and that's a very easy thing to do because you can go to openc and check the activity but for the long term ones um it's kind of like investing in a project for the long term you look at the founder you look at his social presence you see if they can drive a project in terms of marketing and they're building a great product you see the supply of you know they've got 10 000 of these nfts they're all land plots i recently invested in a project called triverse which is a founder called loopify who's quite active on social and is building like the runescape sort of thing of blockchain and to me runescape uh it's nostalgic i used to play it a lot so you can jump in and play the game but there's only 10 000 plots and you can you know he's showing video footage of people jumping in and playing the game already so for me that's a big sign that this person is delivering a product more people that want to buy there's only 10 000 pots i bought one for 0.483 about a week ago now the cheapest one is about 1.5 and you can see this consistent activity every day one or two hundred plus sell of that on the secondary market so naturally the price will go up so you can you know that i look at that i look at the historical significance so recently with crypto punks um being not being seen as the first crypto the first nft project on ethereum it was perceived as that for three years until recently people found someone's earlier to that so there's curio cards um there's etherea and a couple of projects behind so i kind of ran out and purchased a lot of that stuff because historically when people look through the blockchain and the knowledge spreads then you know 2017 2018 projects might have some of that history nostalgic uh important for the era uh factor to it so there's a bunch of different things you can do but it starts with just getting into something and figuring out which projects you want to get into and then looking at the economics so what i'm hearing you say is how to get started and making money in nft said it's very similar to the cryptocurrency space and what you do so you'd go on one of the most popular exchanges for nft's openc and you would get to know openc and you would find something you like and you check the volume see if there's a lot of volume going on you check the team see who's backing it maybe you'd see if there's any vc funding maybe you'd see the roadmap um and then you then you buy if you like it you experiment yeah you buy you start slow um you can even buy the the cryptocurrency token so axe infinity you could have played the game and realized wait a second this is a very addictive game you can see the daily active use is increasing you can see the economics where they have well to breed another axi you have to burn two access tokens effectively um then you you're like wait a sec and it's going to put enormous pressure on the supply of the access token when it slows up and that could be one of your thesis on where you where you invest in right so you may buy some nfts maybe you just buy some access tokens some decentralized mana token because you think uh visually it's quite appealing to people share it a lot on twitter and social media so there's also that sort of stuff you can do but yes you go in you look at volume or you can even look at um some very it's really like cryptocurrency projects guys it's like the top hundred then you have the second page where it's not as much volume but maybe something could blow up the more time you spend kind of hunting deep for those gems the more upside you're going to see just like in crypto and unlike justin crypto this is art so how much does that subjective come into play because i i understand the objective part good team good volume very similar to crypto how much is the subjective part so i think um that part of it is predominantly with the art niche um and we can talk about that a little bit later but if it's not the art niche so for example crypto punks right i don't think there's much subjectivity with crypto punks because each trait has a um rarity so if it's like there's only seven alien or nine alien punks right so it's got because of that yes it's blue and people might like blue but the rarity is what demands you know tens of millions of dollars worth of price comparative to the rest but with art like you mentioned uh there absolutely is subjectivity but i'm learning as i'm a new art collector that subjectivity is one thing and then when you buy art and you tweet about it and say hey you know what i bought so-and-so's ah and that kind of signals out to other collectors to go buy another art from that artist and that momentum is like wait a second this artist has all these big collectors those collectors help the artists get into uh galleries and decentraland and some virtual plots virtual stuff and then it kind of goes out like that subjectivity um it definitely definitely matters sometimes you just don't understand it so for example generative art is now selling for millions like there's a squiggle the chromey squiggle recently sold for i think 2.5 million usd uh which i think they deploy a script and that that script creates the art and that art gets deployed onto blockchain so that sort of thing definitely has a market i don't understand that but it obviously has value so um massively you know that's that's the beauty of the space is you might someone else might not see value but a small section of a wealthy collector group might okay i like that everybody listening uh pr i want to hear from you guys in the audience what do you think about what he just said what if what nft platforms are you on what nft what's your strategy when it comes to nfts i want to ask our guest here is we've seen the success of crypto punks we've seen the the moon cats the the board apiac clubs seen the pudgy penguins how do i find the next crypto punks how do i find the next thing like that and what advice would you give to to nf nft investors in general when it comes to finding the next big trend in nfts um i would say that one thing crypto punks and axion infinity and all of these projects that went on to have nft's worth in the millions had in common is that there were previous smaller cycles before what led to that base so if you look at some of the uh long-standing nft projects and i think i think curio cards is following the same example where people are starting to realize that it existed prior to crypto punks they're starting to see some volumes coming in and some the price there's like waves right if you look at the the chart there's waves you can see and if you look at crypto punks it was the same thing it was waves and they started small and everyone was like oh wow the floor is too ethereum which back then which now seems quite small but back then it was a big deal and it was like oh wow the floor is now eight ethereum you know two months later suddenly it became 16 ethereum now it's you know 65 ethereum 200 000 for the cheapest crypto punk but there's trending consistent waves which shows that over six months time over one year there's still a reason to purchase these nfts and when you have a hard cap supply and time goes on then it's only going to get scarcer and more rare so i think um that similarity is something i look at 100 to find the next crypto punks you know again it's about your niche i think you have to figure out where you want to explore whether it be art or collectibles and all sorts of things uh if we talk about avatar projects i think it's a risky bet because crypto punks have that long significance where after three years of deployment they can still have value because historically they are significant now all these new avatar projects i'm not sure if any of them have proven themselves to exist more than three to four months so it's it's like you may see you know board apes went to 48th i think they're being auctioned at christie's or something now but will they exist a year or two from now uh i don't know that that history has not been proven yet but there's a massive demand for these avatar projects because it seems like everyone in twitter wants to get involved and it seems like putting your avatar profile picture as something that you invested in is a thing to do so i would there's a really good website called rarity tools i think it's rarity.tools and you can see the upcoming nft avatar projects and i would totally advise scanning through that find what you like and experiment with buying some so um that's the only way you find and every now then maybe an influencer just puts up that hey we just bought this thing and boom you know you can make a big return on that does gary's v friends have legs is that something to look at what do you think i think it does because when you buy a project what you're actually buying is a a forever connection to that brand project or personality or artist's workbook if you think gary's v is going to be a big deal 10 years from now or a bigger deal than he is now buying a v friend is a way to invest in that success so whatever it may be or whatever uh be friends might do that's the that's the link you can make with gary success or like investing into someone's career and that's the same mentality with artists is that they can continue to release art and if you think the artist is going to be a big deal for example there was an artist called corey van loo corey van loo i approached about a year ago and um was just talking to because i thought he's a great artist on twitter and then i helped him get into some platforms and i kind of advised on um how to get into it and i said hey i'd love to buy your first five pieces for a thousand dollars each i went on to do that he recently did a collaboration with mike tyson right so he did the art piece for mike tyson uh which i think went for about 150 or 200 thousand dollars so that brings complete value to the original things that i did but it connected the success of that increases the value of the entities he has that he created so him as an artist or garyvee as a personality or a project as like for example um lava labs right lava labs release crypto punks they went on to then release me bits me bits sold 80 million dollars on primary because it was tied to the lava labs name so again um you know the stack of nfts that an artist or creator brand has um i think it has absolutely likes because vee has legs so obviously nobody knows the future and you know half the fun is speculating what's going to happen anything could happen but you know if you were to ask us in 2017 where would the cryptocurrency be mark mark it be you know four or five years later a lot of people would have guessed wrong but you know that being said nfts they're not going away they're only getting bigger where do you see the nft space five years from now five years is like 50 years in nft space i think it's just going to dominate um culturally we're so strong there's a connection you make when you start to buy nfts that you just can't go back i used to check my block folio daily every half an hour as we do we check out you know our crypto holdings i really do that now and any profits i make i start to put it across the nft space it just penetrates the the entertainment industry so well gaming to um you know art to all these sort of things i think from a year or two from now um we went from you know a year ago or eight months ago we went from mainstream asking you know what the hell are nfts to now a lot more of those participants coming in and doing stuff whether they're buying art and stuff and that's why we're seeing certain sectors explode um yeah i think we're going to be pretty big i think the gaming sector alone is just going to be huge i know that axia infinity itself um and you may think the game is quite simple but they make half a they're on track to do half a billion dollars in in revenue for the company for the next 12 months so you know fortnite and other companies and and people looking at that model like they're absolutely going to deploy some of this strategy dude actually infinity to in my mind opened up the opened up the gaming sector it's like how are not all the executives that monday morning not talking about actually exactly understanding oh go on no no i'm just going to say exactly um i think previously gaming made sense for the consumers because hey you can unlock the ability to trade nfts and earn money but it never made sense for game developers because it's like well if they can do that then they can just take open c and then they take our revenue but axiom infinity showed uh that you know they were still able to make it work because there's this cryptocurrency play to earn model and you make your you know you make your money as a game developer through maybe a token and the appreciation of your token and holding onto your treasury and all sorts of different mechanics that social mechanics that blockchain allows so absolutely yeah monday mornings must be really interesting in those game studio boardrooms and i want to remind the audience that in cryptocurrency we're in a hot market we're in a bull market nft is clearly right now hot market markets go up and down eventually it'll be in a cold market so make sure you do the research before putting any significant amount of money in and understanding that just to you and i'm not talking about price but to you maddie what uh smaller projects no projects interest you right now um i look at the nfd space as history um slowly telling us what's good investments and so far it looks like those that are tied to some sort of historical significance a timeline the one thing about nft space that's very different to the crypto space is timelines matter um and the crypto space like if you buy a cryptocurrency and that that project doesn't go on to build utility for that currency then i would assume the value of that would drop right basically ico is exactly what that happened ico 2017.
uh with nfts you can release the crappiest project in 2017 three years later it's an artifact because history matters on the blockchain it's preserved better on the blockchain so for me i'm looking back we're at a time where um crypto punks have showed the world or the nft world that hey history is is dominant for collectors and people want a piece of that and that's what brings a lot of value here so i would i'm into curio cards because i was pre-crypto punks and the cheapest one is only 0.3 ethereum we know garyvee's recently bought it um it's one of the first crypto art projects are on ethereum or in the space in general so personally i've got some of that um triverse launched a while back their 1.5 ethereum each what else there is a bosslogic release this uh project called uh gauntlets so you can buy a gauntlet that's like randomly generated and he's gonna and he's gonna introduce that into his game universe boss logic is an artist who does a lot of stuff with marvel and dc and he has 2.2 million on follows on instagram so he's a pretty big digital artist um some early art i think xcopy is one of the biggest digital artists so far he sold artwork for like 1.7 mil and upwards i think and he has a um an open mint 870 mints that he did about a year ago in in on nifty gateway and there's only 870 of them the cheapest one right now is 5000 usd about two weeks ago or three weeks ago it was about 2500 usd so i can see that being a pretty good buy um there's a bunch of stuff i can go through that will you know you will probably find on your journey that they are good your own projects yeah well i loved i mean i thought that was a great baseline i want to incur there's so much more to talk about i want to encourage the audience down below in the comment section if we didn't get to a question or if you have a project you're passionate about comment down below we'll have maddie back on but just final thoughts for the altcoin daily community final thoughts is take your time this is um i know we're from the crypto space and we are used to bear markets we're used to bull markets we're used to tops we're used to bottoms um i feel that the nft space is a little bit different to that absolutely there's a lot of speculation absolutely you have to be careful and you may be buying the top but at the end of the day um there are differentiating factors the game industry will continue whether or not crypto does or not the art industry will continue whether or not google or not uh yes the spending power at the moment is crypto dominated so if bitcoin hypothetically goes down to zero then it will affect that market but they will continue to go so take your time and do your research and you know absorb it before you put your money in and go slow before you go fast nfts are extremely illiquid so if you get into something just because you thought it was a good idea and you put a significant amount of capital uh six three months later the crowd moves on then you can almost not bring that money back out it's not like a and a cryptocurrency exchange where you can start to somewhat uh bring some of that capital out uh it's illiquid so there's some risks there but have fun it's so much fun once you're in it um you know you're playing games you're connecting with the community all my friends that i got into crypto are now into nfts and they just love the space so much so look past the jpeg if you're a bit skeptical pay 50 to you know just buy your first piece here and there and give it a shot i mean that's what people in crypto did and now they're doing well that's nft seem to be the next thing and it's worth a shot appreciate that dcl blogger one of the top nft people in the space links how to stay in touch with him in the description below he's the guy to follow uh anything else that i asked him ah thank you so much for coming on man thanks guys it was an honor and i would love to do it again
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