City Council Informal - 11/15/2022
and uh Mr manager I think we're going to have a uh a little information session on economic tourism hello everyone good afternoon mayor vice mayor members of council Mr duhaney Mr Stiles it's nice to see you all this afternoon I'm here today to share the results of the tourism Economics Report that was commissioned by CBB in 2021 in late 2021 CVB commissioned tourism economics to analyze and research the travel sector of the Virginia Beach economy tourism economics worked with our budget and Management Services office and our city auditor's office so I'd like to personally thank Kevin chatelier and Lyndon Ramis for their time and dedication to this process I'd also like to thank Taylor Adams who created us created a successful economic Vitality portfolio with a culture of winning with that said I'm very proud of the results that tourism economics has provided us and I'm confident that this report is the most comprehensive one we have had to date it is my pleasure to introduce to you Jeff Locker Jeff has been with tourism economics since 2015 and currently manages a variety of economic impact studies and the international travel database also joining Jeff is Dan Roberts who's the senior Economist for tourism economics Dan has more than six years of hospitality industry experience diving into insights around travel Behavior research Trends patterns and all levels of geography from Individual destinations all the way up to the broader macro economy finally I'm looking forward to seeing everyone tomorrow morning at our state of Tourism event at the Virginia Beach Convention Center I hope that you all can make it and with that being said Jeff the floor is yours Jeff welcome thank you very much um it's great to be here I think we bid on this project maybe a little over a year ago now and it's great to to finally be here and share the results with the council um so what we're going to do today is kind of cover three main topics uh the first being just an overall look at total visitor volume to the city and the spending from these visitors the second being what's the economic impact of all this spending what does it do for jobs wages taxes Etc I mean finally you know give these impacts some context you know what's what are the trends over time what do these numbers mean besides just some some big numbers with dollar signs in front of them uh the first thing I want to do is emphasize that you know we we look at a lot of databases and and take a lot of information into account and then try to figure out you know what's the best answer for these questions in terms of all the data sources um so you know just briefly this includes uh tax collection data from the city itself Str is the number one provider of a hotel performance data air DNA then tracks the the with the short-term rentals we usually call them airbnbs vrbos and the like um and their cell phone location data from near there's government data from the Bea the BLS census um there's survey data from longwoods who surveys tens of thousands of tourists every year uh and then some of our own data on international travel so all that to say you know this isn't based on you know one or two pieces of information we're really looking broadly at all the data we can get our hands on to come up with what we think the best answers are that said to get to it um just a great number for visitors spending um 2.1 billion in 2021 that's up a total of 38 from 2020 and is even up eight percent from the pre-pandemic high of 1.9 billion so a new record the first time over 2 billion uh in City history um but we're still down in visitors we have that at 11.5 million visitors in 2021 uh it's up nine percent from 2020 but still down 15 from the pre-pandemic high so then you know that leads to the the obvious question how can you be so much higher in spending but still down in visitors um the big thing driving this is that the the right kind of visitors are coming those being the overnight Leisure visitors these are the people that that spend the most time and the most money when they come to visit so uh we're up seven percent in that crucial overnight Leisure Market in 2021 compared to before the pandemic so you know that's really the key Market that's what's driving record spending is the increase in Leisure visitors oh at the same time we've seen really big increases in per visitor spending some of that's driven by this change in Market mix those High Spenders are becoming a larger and larger share of the market and then inflation and increasing room rates gas prices Etc are also helping Drive big increases in spending we have the overnight visitors spending 23 percent more per trip than they were before the pandemic and the day visitors are spending 17 percent more than they were before the pandemic um you know we we have data on you know five different categories of where they're spending um what's really um leading this is lodging uh spending again the uh the Leisure Mark is important because they're not uh super price sensitive they will spend money on on higher room rates to have these nice family vacations so I'm lodging spending up 20 20 or sorry 20 compared to before the pandemic I'm 53 increase from 2020 uh when you had really low uh room rates um other than that food and beverage up nine percent Transportation up four percent from before the pandemic so those are the categories that are really driving spending here uh and you know those are some of the more important categories we have 70 percent of all spending is on food and beverage and lodging uh and then Transportation 11 Rec and Retail taking up the rear there um so moving on what does all this spending do and a little bit what we're going to talk about that's probably hard to read so we'll just talk through it um we measure what we call a direct indirect and induced impacts so the direct impacts we're going to talk about is the spending directly by the visitor and then the jobs the wages that are supported by those businesses that are directly exchanging hands with the visitors then we measure indirect and induced impacts we do this through modeling software called implant that creates a model specifically of the city and how money flows through the local economy uh the indirect impacts are additional business to business sales created by the visitor spending so the example here might be a restaurant that gets money from a visitor it might need to pay rent pay the utilities buy some plates buy some food locally so that initial injection of money creates additional business to business sales then they're the induced packs again sticking with our restaurant now we have a waiter waitress that gets a salary they're taking that they pay rent they buy a car or they buy groceries Etc et cetera those are additional induced impacts with some indirect uh induced up with the direct impacts we have total impact so that's we're going to be looking at at the next few pages here so we have that um a 2.1 billion dollar number on the left
there that's the direct visitor spending once we add the indirect and induced impacts we get to our total economic activity of 3.3 billion for the city and I will say you have the copy of the full report there um this does have a full breakdown across I think it's 18 different uh segments of the economy um you know both graphs and numbers you know little not really uh presentation friendly but it is in there you know just want to briefly say you can see things like food and beverage up top there a very heavily involved directly with the tourist but then you have other categories like right below it Finance um real estate insurance that has very uh low share of direct sales with tourists but High indirect induced impact so it makes it a fairly big impact in total foreign you know and that is also available for jobs and wages but I'll let you thumb through that in the full report um for jobs uh similarly we see about 24 500 direct jobs related to tourism once we had the secondary impacts we get up to 31 000 total jobs sustained by the tourism sector in the city I should say this follows the government definition of jobs which does include part-time jobs uh does include seasonal jobs includes the gig economy um you know a very holistic look at the jobs created um and then next we have income uh directly just over half a billion dollars of Labor income uh for uh the city and then 800 million once we get those secondary impacts um and definitionally here we're including both salary uh and benefits as income uh finally the fiscal impacts um in total there are uh almost uh half a billion dollars in tax revenue um supported by the tourism economy um we have a state and local there's about 300 billion we do have a separate uh breakdown of state and local taxes um it's about 200 million for the city 100-ish million for the state you can see there the big big drivers of city taxes would be bed tax meal tax Amusement tax and then property taxes at the bottom about 200 million uh annually in total and finally you know where is this headed what's the context Behind These numbers um so first off just to look at the trends we've seen over time compared to before the pandemic uh we're we're ahead in spending we're also ahead in income and state and local taxes um but we are behind in job supported so the the 2019 job supported figure is uh about eight percent higher than the current figure so we still have a lot of jobs uh to make up in the travel economy here um a Big Driver of this is there's been kind of a migration towards full-time work as opposed to part-time work since the pandemic so even though the numbers fall were smaller the there's a lot more full-time jobs in that number um the other driving Factor here is inflation an inflation boost the spending the income the taxes supported uh but doesn't boost the job supported so between that shift towards full-time work and inflation is the reason that jobs are lagging behind the recovery compared to our other key economic indicators uh finally what do these numbers mean um so 31 000 jobs um so that's about 15 of all jobs in Virginia Beach that the the tourism economy supports um the 808 million in labor income would be equivalent for about forty seven hundred dollars for every household in Virginia Beach and if you look at the almost 300 million in state and local taxes that's an offset of Seventeen hundred dollars for every household in Virginia Beach that they no longer have to pay because the tourists are paying that for them uh and that's the quick overview of the report uh happy to answer any questions you have with that brief overview or in the future once you have time to review in full I'll see you now of course um can you tell us how we're comparing with our uh perhaps sister cities not just here in Hampton Roads but those that we tend to compete with for maturism standpoint in terms of recovering sure so you know in general um across the us we're kind of seeing tourism spending is just about now maybe last summer kind of catching back up to the pre-pandemic level so you're ahead of the country as a whole at the same time the places that are doing well tend to be either rural or on the beach you know places where people can can spread out and have Vacations so um you know I can't speak for like you know Myrtle Beach is doing huge numbers um the the Golden Isles down in Georgia huge numbers um so it's it's not um unprecedented that you're that you're above the pandemic you know we are seeing that in in select destinations but it's not the norm across the U.S thank you hey uh Rosemary and then look what and so many times we're asked you know we investing so much in tourism and this this data is is extraordinarily valuable and a lot of times we like to say it saves people so much on their real estate taxes I thought we could say 10 or 11 cents you know so do you have an idea of how much the average household saves on their real estate tax you know we didn't break that down um you know we had that 1700 in total but yeah we have not breaking that down but yeah if that's of Interest we'll put it on the to-do list yeah we'd like to that's something we like to tell our citizens that it saves you 10 or 11 cents on your real estate tax which is significant and I remember one of my good friends in Chesapeake says well gosh you've got that darn ocean front to keep your taxes low thank you okay Longwood that was my question okay that's good anybody else at this point I can't resist this question Jeff I was wondering how you thought we did so well given that we're the least romantic City my my wife is going to be very disappointed when she reads that report we uh we we don't agree with that but I I just had had to say I think I'm missing a little context here the board out today I think it was like 40 or 50 cities and uh had Virginia Beach was the least romantic city of the well I was just thinking I should have brought my wife down here with me so exactly hey anybody else all right thanks for encouraging numbers thank you all for having me and and once again we're going to keep working uh with the city and uh we'll be in touch as needed thank you all right thank you very much okay at this point is there any uh city council discussion initiatives or comments okay guy I just would bring to council's attention I sent everybody a copy of an email that I sent to John and Patrick today about the Lynnhaven River now issue that John had sent an email out previously about that what was in our Friday package I just would encourage everybody to take a look at that um I hope we'll we'll move forward I don't know what you want to do without Mr manager but if you're looking for a head knot you've obviously got mine in terms of of telling it's the cost issues off the table which is what I think Mr Moss is the rest of his objection to proceeding I hope we can support Lynnhaven River now's request for uh for support of the study itself I think it's valuable information I think Mr Mayor yes I think it was last Friday package I mean maybe the Friday package prior to last week I sent the letter that I received from the limitations yeah I received a letter from Lynnhaven River now and they um access asked if the city would be interested in possibly doing some kind of engineering assessment um their their concern is that what the state is requiring them to do from their permit with bmrc would cause significant harm to the oyster life and also to the bottom of the river by having to take out some of the oyster concrete reefs that they put in they asked for us to participate in defund a study since um a week they've now clarified in Mr Tower brought it to my attention but then it's about an hour ago Karen Fourier the CEO of Lynnhaven River now said she's no longer asking that the city pay for it but they would still like to move forward with the study and they would like the city to acknowledge that they support this if this is something that Council wants this is um I would need some kind of head not to move forward with supporting us any worship or for eign correct correct I don't see a problem with them doing the study anybody object to going forward okay let's move forward thank you okay anybody else at this point okay great moving along how about uh city council agenda review okie dokie so these are the items that we have speakers on so we can keep pulling two three number five and number eight um so besides those does anybody have the issues with the ordinances and resolutions one through eleven okay two three five eight um yes Barbara well I won't pull it but I I do have a question about five um I believe at the budget hearings when we at the last minute added several things I made some comments about the fact that we were doing things out of our process uh with the Cohen committee uh that's the community organization Grant review and allocation committee which we appoint to allocate to non-profits and organizations and when we do it directly that all that is bypassed and there's no follow-up this product program I mean we only had 20 000 in it for the year and we've exceeded that um so we are we're just handing out taxpayer money without any review or or follow-up and I think we I would like for us to ask the coeg committee to look at the process because I know they have a very extensive uh procedure for reviewing uh applications for funding and uh following up and a lot of the folks asked for funding from them that don't get it and they've had to go through this process whereas we have this procedure which bypasses all of that and I really think if we're going to have that process it ought to be for everybody except maybe an extreme situation which is what I thought we had here but I I just have to say they're an awful lot of really good organizations that give Thanksgiving baskets and and Christmas baskets and we don't hand them five thousand dollars of tax money so I just don't think that's something we can do in this case and I'll have to vote against this one okay I think uh it would just be prudent that you know as we uh you know we're gonna have the you know a different composition of council coming up we're going to have a retreat coming up uh this uh you know circling could be as uh you know a source that you know discussion uh but you know I'll tell you what it's uh it's a matter we have a tremendous amount of needs out in the community right now and uh you know hopefully uh you know we're gonna you know be finding some of the uh you know other or alternatives for you know funding with some other helps from a community but that's a you know that's going to be an initiative that's going to be you know come to light pretty soon I really think our whole process of having I mean when we started this years ago it was because we had come to the point that we were spending a lot of our budget hearings deciding how much each of these groups was going to get and that was the main thing we were looking at so we created the code committee to do those reviews for us and and they've been doing an outstanding job and it's been working for a long time but if we're not going to use that process for everybody I I think we really have to re-examine what we're doing uh and so that that's my concern I I don't think it would be very good to ask them to give us their uh opinion and um what they see and what their process is so that's that's my concern sure Sabrina say that I would just say that I I'd like to see consistency as well because I saw two of these grants approved last week with no problem and I've actually sit and watched several of them approved with no problem no issue no comments so I don't know what the difference is when I bring one forward I I hope there is not selective uh processing and approval here but I would agree with one thing we do need fairness across the table look at each one make the same comments on each one and make sure um each request goes through that same process because I if we're we're going to do this for one you gotta do it for all and I don't think this one should be the time that you make comments and in terms of you know you you have a right to vote whichever way you want however um what I see here is selective process and I I hope I'm wrong but um I would say this particular group it has been very instrumental in serving the citizens of Virginia Beach um they have participated in countless Outreach food program food drives um even in concert with the City of Virginia Beach and they've been very consistent they serve the community and they continue to give back and have never asked for a dime in this particular instance is they are giving back and they requested some assistance um for this particular um event and myself and the mayor have sat down and talked with them and we know the good work that they do and so I I will hope um that this is something that we could uh approve for an organization who's consistently in the community consistently giving back to the community not just of their time but they're fun making sure even at the most vulnerable times in our community during the pandemic that people receive meals that they were served they were taken care of um so we're not just just not giving money away no we are supporting an entity who's supporting the community and if there is any um a grant that we should approve it's one who is working in concert with the city and who is supporting our citizens I can't think of a better way to do so or a better organization do not I just want to comment I thought her assessment of what we've done is consistent we have approved a number of them but my advice would be to my future colleagues that sit here is this is a Troublesome way to avoid grants and if I think wisdom would Prevail you would force this back into normal budget process and all these organizations and the council would dissuade itself from trying to be a a community Problem Solver outside the process and these things all compete in new ration resources and are response but I think that would take a tremendous burden off of you individually uh to have a comprehensive way that that's done and otherwise I think this but this is just as deserving as any other ones we've approved but it's a bad process I say no this is not selective I did bring it up right after we had some in the in the budget process and since we had not gone forward with this and these were continuing to come well after we had exhausted the money in the budget and the city manager had asked us for direction I think Now's the Time but there are hundreds hundreds of wonderful organizations in this city that give back and um you know when we are are tasked with uh uh making money from people in their taxes I think we have to make certain that we are allocating those taxes in the right fashion and um so I just think we we really need to keep with our process of of having us a standard procedure and I'm just asking that we look back at that again okay Michael I agree with all points that have been made I think that we do have a procedural issue here that needs resolution but I also recognize that we find a matter of uh as really as a matter of course approved every request that's come before us so it's a peculiar time to drop to draw the line um about the process however I I think the process needs to be addressed and including I think if when you talk to the Cog committee what you'll hear pretty resoundingly is that they don't have enough resources in order to fulfill the request and there are a number of Legacy sort of um Appropriations that organizations that our community relies on rely on the the this and so when you take those obligations those annual obligations out of the pool of money there's very little to support the smaller organizations that do things like the holiday giveaways or um haircuts or um the youth development projects that we've all all of which we've funded mental health awareness so the so we really have a gap here and we're obviously tasked to be responsible stewards of taxpayer resources but I also think that citizens expect the city to support organizations that are serving the community and I think pretty much most people feel like that's an efficient and um and worthy and valuable use because we can sort of stimulate and activate that activity by funding organizations that are already providing those services so we really have to take a deep thought and so I'm hoping of whether to The Retreat or future Workshop maybe we can get the Cog committee to come and speak with us and and we can really review this and I also think I would add that sometimes in this they do an excellent job but sometimes things come up throughout the year um that wouldn't be eligible for Cog funding and they need funding and sometimes there are gaps not everyone knows about the Cog funding so we have to have a little flexibility here it's a complicated discussion obviously I don't think now is the time to have it but I think we do need to have it and I hope we'll schedule a workshop on that so we're at a retreat okay Mr Mayor members of council um staff and I especially the budget staff we were going over and since the past couple years a couple budgets we put together start asking questions about some of the Legacy institutions that we have been supporting and obviously whenever councils decide to make a decision and not find something we always people come out in droves right but there's some that have been in the queue for about 35 maybe even 40 years and we were trying to figure out how best to assess that to see if we want to possibly have a conversation maybe it's a retreat conversation on do we continue with those because honestly if if we would make a decision we could probably create more funds for either Cog or the Arts and Humanities um committee or even from the mini grant program if we would kind of consider some of those things are still in line with the priorities that the council has but some of them they've just been getting repeat funding for probably about 35 40 years it might be something that we actually want to look at maybe as part of a retreat conversation yeah Barbara well I really think we need the background information if we're going to have a successful conversation and so I think we do need all of that but you know when we when we allocated some of the cares act money just for the non-profits because we knew they were not being able to to get the money that they would have normally done my goodness that list was very long that we we and so it's almost endless because we have so many wonderful organizations in this city I mean it is practically endless and and so we really need to come up with some fashion of looking at the need and maybe it is you know we increase Arts and Humanities or we increase Cog or something so I think we need that background information if we're going to have a worthwhile discussion I think we all recognize the need okay at this point if I could recommend let's just go forward with it on the consent agenda today would you understanding that this will be a high priority discussion at the forthcoming Retreat uh next year in terms of organization because you know once again I you know I think a lot of people you know brought up some valid stuff but tell you what our needs out in the community that we're going to have to you know if we can't do government can't do it all but maybe if we can find a way with some other uh you know you know yeah there will be a uh suggestion forthcoming anyone else yeah let's go ahead no on this on this item it's number five number five yeah so John to bring you up to speed we're going to pull two three four and eight and then we're going to go back over the legislative agenda after we do this part okay we're just pulling four we're pulling three two I thought it was two four I have two four two three three four and eight okay thank you okay so is everybody okay with everybody else with everything else on the ordinances on K so go to planning uh number one that is District Four Bayside y'all see now no issues that's it number two mm Rollins Barber uh yes consent number three sacred daggers um that's District Six Beach District Five I have a problem with the guy I'm fine number four the Virginia Aquarium Foundation that's District Six uh guy good with me number five Russell a brown conditional use permit District 8 formerly District I so do you have anybody here for district eight District Five okay Lynnhaven okay go with me number six uh green clean Shore District 9 District 4 that's delcino and John I didn't have any issue no issues and the last one Sean Andrew muslini that's District Six formerly District Six guy no Pro okay so then that brings us back to the legislative agenda so what I thought we would do would be to create a bundle of what at least six people want for the legislative package and then we can vote on that as a group so I'm going to go over each one and ask you this is going to be interactive and if you are fine with it if you think it's okay to be in the package I'm asking to raise your hand okay so um the city Charter Amendment that's going to be that's a separate vote so the Constitutional Amendment on number one redefining marriage um who thinks I should be on the agenda the package you could raise your hand s all right a City attorney what is what is this process we're doing with his life save agenda we had a review for it on our informal um a couple weeks ago and so what is this that we're doing now it's not on the agenda what are we doing we spoke about this we had a review a briefing on it now are we going through picking and choosing I just don't understand the process is that new something new why what you've historically done is you've gone through and you've said all the ones that had unanimous support and those were adopted in one motion and then uh you took up the others separately and I thought that's what the vice mayor said is that correct however the body wants to do that yeah I thought that was for the diets not for informal session this we've done this way before I'm I'm not familiar with it I've been four years I've seen us go back through the agenda and then they can choose I thought we did it on the dice I thought we had my understanding that we had a briefing on the light slave agenda a couple weeks ago everyone sponsored or did not not decide to sponsor whatever you know legislative thing they wanted and then we we vote on it and we vote what we want to include in it or not but now it seems like there's we're voting on I guess to break it down I'm just confused about the process I can go around and ask miss Emily which one of these do you want to be in the package and John Moss which one of these do you want to be in the package and find out that way yeah John well I recall my memory is not perfect but it's pretty good what I recall is we were asked is there any item that people want to pull from the agenda because it's like the consent agenda like if you don't no one wants to pull it then and that's a process I think the conversation was not what you wanted to leave in but did anybody has something they wanted to take out to vote on as a separate vote and that's the same logic it's just changing the syntax a bit if it's the same effect we're just doing a consent agenda correct that's what I'm just trying to express bundle what enough of us appearance you know yeah I was just unfamiliar with I guess the way you run it it just it was syntax was just a little different I can appreciate where you're coming from or I could say anything anybody want to pull correct right I don't have anything else do you want me to go around individually or okay uh why don't you just I think it's just open right yeah uh yeah um on item 16. I think that's strictly a state issue and not something that needs to be in our city packet certainly there um I defer to our state delegation um and matter of fact this issue has been addressed already so I just feel it's more appropriate for this issue to be in the hands of our state delegation 15 or 16. it's 16 on my list why are we going to argue these or are we simply going to pull them that's my question that's what I'm that's what I'm asking about that's what I'm asking I guess we need it Miss miles comments I'm fine with them but we gonna be here a long time if we're gonna have to talk about it yeah you know I think why don't we just uh do this won't be out in public yep do you have did they get all this yes everyone got a new pack this this was allergies today is there any other one that people what item that people want to post well yeah I mean the legislative agenda or the um issue I'm sorry all right I'm not supporting this I think I would like to add to each individually if you would like to pull I I do agree with delsino that 16 is maybe the right thing for here but I would just like to comment on item 12 with the resiliency issues the green ribbon committee did send us a letter and they were adding a few issues that we have had before that were funding issues that I hope will be just including anyway so I think it's fine the way it is recognizing that those other issues are right there like we like to have the state continue to fund or increase funding said the only one you want to pull number 16. so they uh repeal of one
percent local tax on groceries I'm concerned about that one talked about how we're going to make up that much money all right is that it maybe what's the things to cut okay how about you is everything you wonderful no I'll have comments to make our discussion but I don't pull any items just happy with everything I'm happy with everything I'm I'm at sometimes I have my own personal views but I think I know what the views are the people I represent so I'm not pulling any items but I will have comments tonight okay I agree with both the Borrowers yeah okay I concur with Del Cena and Barbara both those things 2 and 16. 16 not two but 16. I'm good with two for 16. I'm sorry yeah two is good by me tell you what you want two in there yeah yeah just 16. Aaron okay okay I promise and everything you'll see now but I don't pull anything yeah 16. I don't have anything additional I'll vote on the ones that are pulled nor do I okay yoga okay I'm I you need I need to be ones that are pulled are fine with me to be pulled and well two and 16. yeah
those will be fine to be pulled and then we'll debate them out there I understand this whether I concur not on pulling two and 16 is irrelevant therefore I've neither conferred nor deny they are done and I have no other items to add to be full yeah that's basically what I want to get okay well said all right you want to thankful here you're 16. ready and everything else can be on consent okay and uh I guess this time we're getting ready to move into I'm sorry can I just get some clarification I just want to make sure I understand so it won't be on the consent agenda you all will vote on the legislative agenda as one packet item except for two and six right okay they'll be bundled together but it will not be on the consent agent no no it's not going to be out when I say consent I meant we're going to vote them as a block yes ma'am thank you okay I'm sorry it's a singular emotion on the turn um I again I was under the inclination we had a legislative package last meeting and that if anything wanted to be broken down or separate it has to be done on a diet I'm not understanding this consent agenda for the last day package in here well Robert's rules say that any member can demand that an item be separated that an item that contains multiple Parts can be separated for a separate vote if the items are completely unrelated then uh it's a it's a demand by a single member requires it if they are of the same character and and are appropriately related together then the question can be divided on motion and with a majority vote to separate the way this has been treated in the past I believe I recall is that each legislative item was sufficiently distinct that any single member could say I want to vote on that legislative agenda items separately I hope I answered the question yeah that's clear yes it's better to have a you know I believe the conversation here we'll get out to the diet Slayer room there's a lot of things here that are we convert US a block which will save us a lot of time all right at this point if we can uh get ready to go to executive chair will entertain a motion to recess into a closed session pursuant to the exceptions from open meetings Allowed by section 2.2 3711 a code of Virginia as amended for the following reason legal matters consultation with legal counsel employed or retained by a public body regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such a council pursuant to section 2.2 37 1188 and that would be uh Lynch
versus the City of Virginia Beach and then Personnel matters discussions considerations or interviews of prospective candidates for employment Consignment appointment promotion performance devotion salaries disappointing or resignation to specific public officers appointees or employees from the public body pursuant to section 2.2 37 11a1 and that would be Council appointees that would be boards and Council boards commissions committees authorities agencies and appointees though I have a motion so moved all right follow the roll call today is hi hi hi [Music] Rosemary thank you I think okay thank you we are recessed into executives [Music]
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