BMW M3 CS vs M3 Touring - Partie 2 - No Limits !

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] hello everyone welcome to the Saint-Nicolas sports mechanics Youtube channel today I found you two slightly sporty cars this one may be a little more than this one but it's already not bad what- what is the M3 CS so it's a basis of m3 competition but still come on I have and on this side we have the M3 Touring which is also the basis of a M3 competition but break version the first time that there is an M3 in station wagon that did not exist before and now there is a certain enthusiasm for this car at BM there have been station wagons for a very very long time but in the m versions there have only been l the time the M5 break the one that had the V10 about 50 copies train in France it's very very rare I don't know how many we had in the world it's not to tell me in the comments if you know but there they have makes a nice toy so on this side there 6-cylinder 3-litre twin-turbo engine 510 horsepower so we find under this hood here it is not in carbon however on this side we also find this Sicily 3-litre biturbo with turbos which are a little more advanced here an engine from the competition of the M4 GT3 and the turbos blow at 2.1 bar on this side while on this side we are only at 1.7 bars that allows us to have 510 horses all the same in this car and 550 on this car each time both are available in xDrive that means that we have four-wheel drive but the big advantage is that we can disconnect the wheels at the 'before so it can become 100% propulsion but on the other hand for that you absolutely have to disconnect everything no help and we'll see we'll try to make a few little tricks for that I brought a friend Frédéric ouivet today who is a drift pilot who does the season and the French drift championships who will perhaps take us on a few small drifts with his toys there is something to do cool things you may have already seen in the intro it's slipping a little bit video a little different from usual I'm not talking about it in detail today since there is a video for each car that was made on the channel where I do a more complete test and I give you all the characteristics but this one as you can see it is in green today it exists in four colors it is towards there the gray which had available on the M4 CSL and two other colors it is up to you to put it in the comments if you know we'll see if you're good and real BM fans this one is available in many more colors this color approximately and it's a slightly different car a little bit more comfortable despite the the fact that we have carbon seats, carbon brakes on both cars, well, rather than talking, let's try them on the circuit, the winners, we're going to do a kind of little comparison, even the level of performance that it gives, level of braking, etc. has carbon discs but on the other hand we don't have the same tires at all this one equipped with Michelin pilot Sport Cup 2 this one is in Michelin 4S which makes a hell of a difference normally good let's go and test that it's left by car Fred you have an M3 Touring you CS oh well we're having a little test 0 to 100 come on you want I know you want we honk the old-fashioned way at the third beep good we close the windows good 0 to 100 0 to 100 we left a little before me you left a little before me I saw your cheating you put the pressure no you're going to put my old top on and we'll just press the accelerator come on let's go back there for Arnaud let's go back he passed me in reverse well unfortunately I stayed in manual I thought it was in auto ok so drive there I'm in highway drive Welcome [Music] good good you're a little ahead all the same a little bit then driving at 50 we start at 50 and then I dive we'll see it's up to the box to react on its own go go [Music] yeah it's a bit of cheating all the same we try a zero 150 it's sold and at 150 we have to brake the first one who stops go sold we do that go you're ready S I still put a little bit eh I don't know if you can see well over there but later [Music] we're going to do a little braking test 100 km / h 0 I put the limiter already the same yeah it's true limiter 100 go and at the panel we try to brake together go go let's go we are at 100 or limiter so there here panel we still see a difference each time between one and two cars each time there are between one and two cars and yes the quarterweights and small difference in weight hairs is significant we can see it you see the brake pressure and the same we arrive at the same speed at the limiter at 100 km/h and finally we exert this pressure of brake emergency braking and there we have a 10 meter difference 5 10 meters difference we see how important the weight is there is another element that will also be taken into account is that it does not the car doesn't have the same tires so obviously the tires also have an impact on grip when braking clearly good come on good Fred yes we're going to start with this M3 Touring see what happens and then we'll take the CS or a little few differences this dad's car for every day take the kids to school and everything i like very much but you saw the size I like it a lot frankly I like it too anyway good does it work a little we will discover the track quietly I still put the M1 mode I did not put a baltrack but the modem it is all in sport more with the MDM traction control we end up with a car that is still rather flexible without strong direction we feel that there is a little bit of weight anyway because it's 2 tons like all the same the gear change if you go in the towers you saw it's very fluid it's very very fluid honestly yeah 8 speeds so here I am in 8th quiet I Cruise at 120 everything is fine departmental highway speed what is it that would be limited to 70 years exactly we feel that it leans a little bit the PS4 there the PS4 things are they already necessarily sporty but not extreme on the circuit no of course of course we are very good road tires frankly still relaunch fairly early it works all the same well he says that we discover but we discover you quickly tend to put the rhythm Nicolas so by dint of going up with you now I see a guy really has a very fast pace but I don't do it on purpose it's the car's fault I think because it's still made to go fast and you see it's written M yes and you have to hear it look listen that's why I think I think it must be that good it stays family yes because there this rhythm there with the children attached behind anyway shit a little oh it's still it's still playful we feel it it's an M3 it's still a competition M3 in addition to competition and that's good it works a little and yes it works a little we are going to try a little a little bit faster okay here we go again let's go it works well we are already well 120 will pass slow down here because there is the job come on MDM here it takes him gently to heal without going too too hard it secures all that a little bit all the same exactly for people who are not real pilots they still take the 4 13 well there is very good braking I think the CS will be a little more precise I think it will be a lot more on the brakes yeah quite even on the torque you see sorry 3rd it starts off pretty well we arrive on a long fast curve we are going to put a little bit of brake all the same and of course because we're on the way together the rear which are now positioned so it's BMW DNA to have on the current positioning it's true he's going to pay attention to the end of the month which is it doesn't work all the same of course right here so you see I find that it works hard but it turns out that it's really a car made to drive very fast on the motorway for example I find that on circuit it's nice I find it perhaps a little flexible I hope that the CS Gomera a little bit on this side because you see we feel that it leans a bit so it remains very sporty all the same days which would rely enormously but he was driving very fast and well listen to me I don't share I congratulate you on this new operation but ah me I find it very well balanced after we are on a road circuit which really represents a lot of I had the trajectory that you started to learn I quickly understood keep a little brake like that so as not to lose the lead when the other power cars it can quickly open up push you a little bit your front completely no after that it remains very simple yeah that's a car made to go fast it's not necessarily the one I'll take for the circuit even if I think it's really great on the circuit at the same time isn't that the ideal compromise I think it's the best because we can have fun on small roads but I can't wait to go take the CS to see what it gives I think that I finally strangely me too I have almost or it brakes hard and then there is still the m2 mode which deactivates everything and normally that puts me in propelled and there we probu for example in a small turn like that I can allow myself to slide a hair in second in second it would have been better we can still put it in propulsion and make it a bit playful that can be fun yeah I want my retro because it's all too much there are friends who follow us behind with the CS it's a very good car as clearly and we feel that it can go quickly look at the speeds of passage in curves and the sequences it's still a treat ah yeah we can have a lot of fun with whoever looks there it's very bumpy huh you have to realize all the same that it's a really very very bumpy road very degraded and look we're in it well and yet we have the carbon seats and everything in both but it's very good it has a nice little noise the exhaust when it's very hot you hear it a little less when it's not necessarily so hot but there is a little thing when it starts to heat up that it becomes quite cool c 'is clear we Fred yes does this thing make donuts of course you think what good it's still an M3 looks pretty funny as always I love it I'm really a big kid but how good is the 8 you like it [Applause] good Fred always in good plans always as soon as there is a nice little plan I'm here I'll take a walk then you'll show us a little bit how it behaves or it's this pilot this kind of toy so m3 c it's 550 horsepower there we leave it in four wheel drive for the moment yeah we'll see what happens but we'll be able to have fun I put in M1 so everything in Sport plus mode I left the reaction control to keep safety of course since well here you are, you're a real driver I know how to have fun but hey it's still better otherwise we see it here we marked 4 WD I'm not sure you smell an M1 Besides I put it back in drive it removes the M1 completely ah okay and yes I was still not like that earlier without any problem we see what it gives yeah we lift the imitator otherwise it will be frustrating it's true because we did it for the costs, let's go oh nothing to do with the tower we feel that the exhaust makes a real difference oh the jerks and everything is a good thing work that has been done on this front axle has nothing to do with it clearly yeah the noise but it's beautiful clearly it's another car ah well it has totally the rigidity we feel like we feel it right away a lot lighter too and yeah downright less but we have the impression that it's really incredible in fact here we go in the cool time to heat up the tires ah I'm blue so here we are in Cup 2 so what's funny Nicolas is that cool you still arrive at 140 km / h in a curve you see we start to hold the gearshift also I have the impression that it is small it has been reworked that too but it's really a completely different car in terms of braking the same we feel at the level of it's a little different so here we are in four-wheel drive we can have accelerated early and it starts again without problem and this crazy gearbox work I drew attention a little later to a particular element of this gearbox but I leave you to have rolled but frankly and even there is torque at the bottom and yes it raises frankly I'm quite BL uffed and much more comfortable than the GT3 RS yes there are nice traces of dribbling that's not what it is oh dear and it's holding up well it's still quite impressive and there we're not there yet in attack mode not yet so I'm when even quite amazed nothing to see nothing to see and when the turbo gets really charged really another photo ah it holds well [Music] well we're having a little more dynamic ride yeah totally come on let's go here this is where it normally jumps well I don't necessarily want to jump the 4 wheel drive does not prevent it is still very reassuring and very perfusing it's going fast huh we don't realize but the cow oh the cow ah yes we arrive at very high speeds there on the other hand we will keep safety margins but it's frankly super pleasant it's very very pleasant it's stunning as a car and very efficient and in fact so on the other hand I find that these cars have a lot of advantages because they can be used on a daily basis and others but we take super high speeds without realizing it it's going very very quick so well I tried to play a little pay your attention a little bit on the fourth gear compared to the others ok you will realize that the fourth gear is shorter so as to be higher in the turns most of the times circuits we often need to play between 3 4 and 5 and very often the fourth we fall too low in the turns we do not have the necessary boost and there it has really been worked on so as to be at the right range of use in fourth and be able to very quickly put our fifth if we need to get out of a long curve so there is a real work of adaptation of the gearbox very interesting it's incredible It is in chain we accelerate very early it's the big one clearly even in these turns the long curves we feel that it's made to take long fast shorts and have fun quite it's quite bluffing and there again you see I take huge Marles you're right you have to and this camera we're going to put it like that good there's the part and then I leave you the steering wheel that you show a little with pleasure so there I stay in four-wheel drive Fred ouh là and this circuit really very very brilliant frankly it is magnificent it is curved it is linked here it's coming very strong we're coming very very strong speed that the car can take but the thing is the same, it's the CUP 2 in turns [Music] I honestly love it's a completely different car compared to that and again as I say I'm going cool you stay closed the 3 e limited to 80 or even 90 km / h maximum and we pass them much much faster than that clearly I am bluffing but there really for me that is a real sports car at the same time so even if there is still comfort and everything but it's still engine level chassis level braking level tire level there it's an incredible here in it's clear very well he is doing very well its still I love this deforation and healthy amazing efficiency good Fred you will have to show yeah with pleasure Nico good in any case same passenger level me I find this car pleasant it is cool the little 16 here of course here you want René Fred I know you not at all in fact the difference is that here we will arrive at speeds much higher than the last time so you have to define your trajectory as you don't have to no it's not an obligation and well there it's a little cooling lap exactly but in any case I j I found this car super nice and I would like to take me to Magny-Cours or something like that after the circuit it goes fast or the tarmac is really perfect but you can see that even there if it is degraded you have a suspension that filters well despite the Sport plus mode and other it remains a firm car but with which we can have fun they make real sports cars exactly they are good for that and when it is marked m often it is not for nothing no and there we really feel it especially with this one the special series are CSL even the competitions are already very good car but when it's marked cscsl we really move on to something else it's clear Fred yes it's me so there you put the car in trac mode exactly so we have the Road sport trac mode the track mode which is for him puts you in display already more fun activate the track mode it can even turn off this screen if you wish we can have the laps the M Laptimer exactly we have control the drift analyzer also which we can put but not in track because he is exactly this screen and so there you put everything in propulsion yes all disconnected yes and let's go how to do it I don't know anymore we're going to go we feel that it is different you feel that the rain is not the same in propulsion we feel the difference it's different it's not the same yeah it's going fast a lot of money as it looks but look together you can put some even in full gas propulsion it's going very well hot exactly the right grip is positioned on the brake it's crazy we feel that the mass transfer is done well and there oh there and it's set up as you want it's [Music] as a reminder Fred is in the French drift championships he's used to being across at 180 the gentleman 180 me if I'm not in a straight line [Music] that when you manage well it is balanced exactly it remains really very very stable and well balanced the speeds of passage are crazy all the same clearly it's quite amazing there is a way to really have fun who calls you against calls back we feel that the back is in place [Music] really very good we immediately feel what is happening yes that's good that's good that's good that's good a bit of a man's story you see it's beautiful it really remains we feel it in fact right away very very well it's speed is quite crazy there clearly it's impressive but we really feel math transfer and together you press a little bit yes we turn you will quickly take the rear exactly and there this player behavior of M what all to do we do is true and i think yeah you can really take it to the brakes at that kind of little power slide [Music] then you will have to coach me a little more often [Music] we're still coming fast that works what a country this car is stupid come on we bring it a little grass not a little bit we will make it breathe but I will breathe a little bit like that we breathe it's really something else wow a feeling that is different necessarily a precision of the front axle you feel it positioning itself on the brake you did you see arriving at the hairpin at the bottom you really have a lot of support there is a change of tar also we are on an formerly paved road so inevitably there is an impact but is it positioned but it remains really stable it is it doesn't become disturbing which we feel very very well and we are on an extremely bumpy section obviously and in fact the car the shock absorbers work to perfection what I am saying about the new cars there is work by the engineers on the suspensions this that now we manage to drive very very fast on roads that can be degraded it's clear but by keeping a very good behavior completely and wow good brother we're going to have a little debrief of all that go with pleasure go well then it's is from BMW as we have seen they are almost the same but still not at all the same one is more typical road autoban driven fast etc the other is still more typical feeling and more circuit oriented even if we can still already doing the circuit with this one as we have seen since it remains as I said basic a BMW in competition pack it is not anything with the carbon ceramic brakes we are already fitted with good tires but the advantage of that is that we can really do everything the CUP 2 is something else in the rain it will be very funny if you are a little bit pilot but otherwise it can be a little more Reiki we can say to ourselves here we can also ride them but to go on the circuit it will radically change the car and as we have seen in this test indeed more performance on this side since also in terms of weight it is lighter we find more power a train front which is still much more incisive the tires it is for many especially on the circuit it is the only thing which connects the car to the ground so the tires are really the first attention on a car at the level of the price we are when even much more expensive but there are only 75 for France already sold everything unfortunately you won't be able to have one and arrives at Tannen said during the Tour Auto that it was his favorite car I think it's not for nothing between the M4 CSL and this one ah I admit that I would have a hard time because it's true that it's still very pretty but I really liked the m4sl the choice would be hard to make but in all at best you'll have a second-hand one good next time you'll have to be a little more lively on the controls but which one you prefer the everyday car for the children is gone for the weekend or going to the mountains at best with Madame or with friends because they still left the bench seat they had removed on the M4 CSL ah I don't know I don't know come on I didn't tell you don't hesitate to subscribe all this the little blue thumb and put me in the comments if there are other sports vehicles that you want me to do I'll try to do that come on ciao

2023-08-29 05:42

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