#151 - Martana Diputra: Honouring parents, regenerative food farming, and local perspectives.
terrible happy talks terrible happy let's do talks today's guest is matana duputra matana is a balinese regenerative food farmer and tim i always stuff that word up in your podcast as well he's a student of agro technology at university and lead facilitator at the aston karaway today martana is with me live and on location in chengdu bali to check in share journey experiences challenges and hopes for the future of bali pak martana diputra welcome thank you yes brother i'm so stoked to have you here and a special shout out to this week's co-host past guest founder of the aston caraway and part-time comedian mr tim fidgel thank you shannon dude how are you tim very well thanks welcome back man this is special for me you know like i haven't i mean i had to leave bali before the pandemic it's been like over two years can you martana describe the last two years from your perspective has it been the strangest time you've ever seen in in in your life in bali yeah for the last these two years i've been with this coffee situation i mean like there's a lot of situation change yeah especially in agriculture because i'm working in that sector for i think for whole my life until now yeah so a lot of things like a lot of people start to going back to the agriculture again after i don't know how many how many period of time because as you guys know bali is more like in tourism side but when agriculture oh sorry when the coffee hits so most of people turning back to the agriculture again so that's kind of like also good for the environment because people back to to plan their own sort of their food for their living also and for their their it as well yeah so they're going back to the orange origins of um of how they were living in bali before tourism was a major source of income yep wow that's special like as a child um can you describe the village that you grew up in so i grew up in the fields like in city side so i grew up in dan pasar but kind of like not in the heart of denpasar i live in like northern pasar so when i was a kid i've been playing a lot at the rice field because i live in middle of riceville and then i can see still a few mountains in the middle of bali from my village and then still can see firefly at night with my uncle i think this really makes me something that i miss now when i was i mean like when i'm now at my age so because those things i think is still stuck in my mind until now even though like i'm growing vegetable with my dad i was helping my dad to also watering the all the vegetable with the water can manually and then also cut some grass also for the cows so i had cows like two or three cows before but now i don't have any more because it's it's just like um i don't know it's just like changing uh the changes is really like different now than before i mean like um yeah so no chaos anymore and now cars but still why still doing farming because um yeah my parents still doing farming but now with the cows with more vegetable now but a lot of surrounding also start building so i guess it's also don't want to damage the environment like especially the smile a smile of the that the cow manure of the smell yeah yeah so now just become left left less less sorry less the livestock that people are was doing before and now it's just maybe just only vegetable and also rice do you remember your parents growing vegetables yup since you were born yep especially i have grandfather that usually like bring me to the to the rice field to the vegetable garden to pick some flower from the vegetable that i still can remember until now so yeah since i was a kid and when i was born i remember my uh sorry my grandfather just kept walking around to find some flour from the vegetable garden and then for ceremony no just for playing because i was a kids like five or six of six years old so just flower from the vegetable from like water spinach and just four ply a play yeah so what what's what's the name of your village wow and i guess like i think what many people in i guess other countries don't realize that even though denpasar is a city yep there's still rice fields sort of in close proximity to the city to the city correct yep because it's like north of than pasar so the edges of the city so the edges of this i think the central is already turned into the uh urban side urbanization and but in the site there's still few of the rice field yeah is there as many rice fields as they used to be uh yup there is yeah so i have uh talked with the elder as well so my my affiliates before was really big rice field so but now a lot of story told me about how it transitioned into or converted into building so i think yeah the urbanization is really fill it in pasar you feel indented uh my elder said they notice it yeah i didn't notice it what was um what was school like for you uh school for uh is it as a child okay as a child so what was it like so i went to the national school for elementary is is the number one paguyangan so sd is the elementary school so yeah for me when i was in that elementary school i have a lot of friends who still uh play with with me when when there's no gadget when this only um what is called the the telephone the the with the numbers mm-hmm um yeah not the cell phone it's not the cell phone no no not like the one that we have now so it's really hard to find to meeting because we don't really we don't really have a chat we don't have really fun before so we just find a spot that we need to go there especially in certain uh time in the opening so we will meet there together with the uh with the bicycle and then we play around uh go to the like backyard of my friend that has a river we swam there together even though we need to do some napping in the afternoon before especially my dad and my mom is really straight you have to go to nap before you play with your friends it's good good rule so even though my friend came to me before we start to play my friend also invited to have a nap before we play so your friend yeah he liked an app yeah because it had to do before we we start to play so you play better yeah better yeah maybe play better so have more fun yeah we have more fun i don't know why my parent has that rule so but i like it too can i have a nap now if you haven't now so we end uh the podcast now we were you a good student are we naughty yeah i'm a good student i usually get uh why are you laughing tim timmy thinks that's funny are you a good student yeah it starts like i don't i don't know like grade four or grade three so because my mom is a seller at one of the night market and then i think that's my i don't know how how can i say my turning point because i'm maybe i'm really naughty when i was grade one until grade three and then i just see my mom that waiting for me in the window while she also really sleepy and then i cannot be a good boy at that moment i feel like oh my god my mom working more than 12 hour a day and then she's waiting for me and then i cannot make any uh i don't know how can i say like any good for her and then i just feel like from the uh the window everybody already got uh everybody already allowed to go home because they already make their um like tasks but i cannot make it because i'm like the boy and then i just feel like at that moment oh my god i need to change myself because my mom that really already tired and waiting for me and then i don't really cannot go because i cannot done the task and then after that go at four until grade six i kind of be like best student but you you really you're so young to understand that that's very young yeah because of my background of my family because i can feel it when i see my mom is really tired and then she still have time to pick me up and then suddenly i see around and then i i just only a guy who's still in the class while everybody already went out i i think that's my turning point to be like more um more appreciate my my mom that she's already working in the market and then still want wanna pick me up but i i cannot be a good student and then that's in that moment i feel okay i need to uh yeah be a good kid or be good student can you describe the night market so the night market yeah like how is it part of balinese trading culture okay so especially in my family and also in my banjar we have few people who selling stuff in the night market so the night market usually for selling some stuff for offering and then some stuff for make a balinese salad it's called rujak so my mom is selling that one so for the baloney salad it's called reject soda can you say that yeah that sounds good yeah yeah so my mom sell that like the material like the unripe mingo and like a lot of green mango yeah like green milk green mango yeah all this stuff like sour uh she grows that she grows green mango um not yet but i tried to also prepare for for her so until now we still like do b2b business to business so my mom buy and then sell it again to the customer um yeah and my mom start around now 5 p.m uh 5 p.m going to the market and then going back home around 7 till 8 a.m okay so more than 12 hour so she starts in the afternoon yeah 5 p.m in the afternoon and then works all through the night mm-hmm to the early morning of 7 a.m yep even how many days a week uh she only got day of like inyappi galungan sunya peace like so balinese public holidays yup ceremony yeah ceremony appeal only once a year what about in the week like do that she gets a day off in the week no like sunday no sit down so seven days yeah seven even though when she was pregnant to me for me and my sister she's still going to the market at night i think seven days per week yep yeah non-stop for how many years i'm already 26 now and my sister already 30 years old how long did your mom do that though 30 years yeah around 30 years old wow man yeah that's amazing dude so i think i guess that's also really inspired me to do some uh stuff and then make me now to make her proud but to make her proud yeah to make to validate her hard work yeah her hard work what what is she used i mean you're at university uh-huh is that because of your mother's hard work um i feel like what did you get scholarship two things yeah first because of my mom hard work i didn't go with the scholarship and then the second one because i'm growing with that environment because i i'm growing in the farming stuff like what my dad usually do telling me and then also yeah also my grandfather were doing that as well wow you know that this is uh it's this is good for it's good for me to hear personally it's it's a cultural difference you know um that i find very interesting from where i'm from we we work hard in our country as well there's no doubt about that uh but we always get it we get at least one day off a week you know um and most people do you know and uh so you i just i'm just really intrigued by that you know selling the vegetables that she grew and vegetables that she would buy and then sell it again yeah and also some unripe fruit like for the rujak so then so then you you you know you realize this when you were a young student and like in elementary school and then you went to high school and uh did you get before the high school i went to middle school and and were you a good student there did you get good grades um like because you'd made this decision now yep to try harder yeah what i can just sit from that side because of when when i grew up since elementary maybe it's only in my village so kind of be a best student in my village but when jumping into the middle school it's more like uh more heterogeneous people like not only one village there's a lot of village but in that moment i still try to be as a i don't know a good student i still try to yeah make my my parent proud of me because he's really working hard during the night as well my dad during the day so yeah and also inspired with from my sister as well yeah my sister kind of best students as well yeah so yeah the the family is really encouraged me to be to be a good yeah to be a leader to be yeah maybe one day be a leader i mean like i'm still try learning how to be a good leader like what my my mom or my parents doing about how they encourage another family to keep in a loop i mean like that's really what i really want to learn from my parents as well so it's not always in my small family so they also still keep the loop with another family like keep connected to connecting another family like try to bring them together yeah so yeah that's also one that one i would like to learn i don't know one day maybe i can um be as what my parents doing now i sweet man yeah i love it you then went you know went to high school graduated um did you did you get straight into university from high school yeah in our culture we don't have any gap year so i said no yeah okay yeah so directly going to university so in the university because of what i used to learn when i was a kid i got it again so feel like like more and more um not learning i mean like because maybe learning but it's more like happy because there's already what i used to do when i was a kid yeah you're glad you you're you're glad to do it you don't need a gap year sorry you don't want you don't need a gap year because you enjoy learning yeah yeah yeah because i enjoy learning because that's that i used to do when i was a kid okay yeah so just like more connecting the dots connecting the dots maybe that's what steve jobs say yeah um yeah i i i want to lead into your involvement with pac tim so how did you how did you guys meet i might ask tim this question i don't know how did you meet we met um because martina was supporting guillaine uh who is my colleague in cocoa connection when we were working together at green school and um guillen was working on her master's degree and needed some assistance with uh with the numbers for her thesis i think that's what happened and martina was there and she introduced me to martina and uh yeah was love at first sight i mean him for me of course but yeah just a side note man you've got a good voice for radio you keep going it's so so deep and manly okay anyway um yeah no montana was just uh immediately had a nice chemistry with with him and we had at that time a lot of work to do and we were just transitioning to the work that we were doing in the field in farming and and i knew that he had quite a a good background in that so we we invited him to be an intern with our team so can you give us some back story about you know that that project at the time where where was it at what we when when you needed the support of an intern like martina like at what stage what were you actually doing i guess we were probably into our second or third rice cycle and our first one was just uh a matter of musing with a green school community of like what would it be like if we went out there with as a bunch of foreigners and get our feet in the mud and try to see what it's like to plant rice and then see it through to the harvesting and go out there every week and connect with local farmers so we did that and the experience really resonated with the the group of 12 people that we did it with and through the course of that cycle i think we picked up a bit of momentum and teachers like you at green school took an interest to what we were doing and that's why we needed an intern because in addition to this course that we were teaching for the green school parents we also started to get interest from a handful of the green school teachers who said that's pretty cool how can we get involved out there too and and engage our students in what you're doing so yeah that's when we needed help because it was yeah and then from there like martina working as an intern um did you immediately realize the vision that paktim had like for this you know um i guess advocating for regenerative farming practices did you did you understand that immediately yeah because of uh there's kind of like a lot of issue when i was in university as well about the the way to farming so so this came up in your studies yeah i mean like i already kind of faced that when i was in university about what's the condition of the farming nowadays i mean like there's really separate with the tourism they're not working together with the tourism and then it's also the the condition of the soil as well it's like the people are throwing chemical stuff in the soil and then i guess this start when it's green revolution so the fission what they mentioned at that moment i really can understand it because of i also uh faced that when when i was in uni and also there's a lot of conversation also it's happening about that transitioning in our in my university as well yeah okay yeah do you think there's um there's a lot of concern um you know give us give us a local perspective are locals concerned about you know the current farming practices and how detrimental you know are using chemicals to grow is to harming soil do locals care or are they like hang on there's plenty of money from tourism we don't care about rice farming anymore so um maybe i can uh answer it with some cases um the first about my background when i was a kid i still remember how my farm my dad also tried to invite me to do the organic thing like we remember at that moment before the chemical start so we have our own way to produce our fertilizer like with the organic stuff and then the cows and then a lot of stuff from um the surrounding like the organic stuff yeah so for myself personally it's to make a good to make a good food we need to also make a good soil okay yeah so yeah and then there's a lot of issue about using the pesticide nowadays and that's also make me feel is also need to be really serious about this to to turn back the culture because the culture in bali before it also use uh the organics i mean like the nature stuff that already profiled that's the one that we use but when the grain revolution starts so there's a lot of another chemical input so then that's that's why i said we need to going back to the culture was yeah and that's really what aston carraway educates about correct yep yeah so let's say somebody comes to the aston caraway from another country to do a course what will they learn so for me now especially i'm as fascinator as well facilitator yeah so facilitator i've been passed a few courses during this almost two years yeah to to facilitate it and then uh there's adult they can learn about how we transition the rice from the chemical into the natural farming yeah or yeah for producing healthy rice we cannot say organic rice specially because there's a lot of certificate and some stuff like that so we call it a healthy rice so people like adults learn about how we do transitioning and then what the method that we use the transitioning from the chemical into free chemical one right so and then the others also we provide um course for the local we call it a sokolasuba so this is not only it's not always for them so it's a course for the local farmers the locals teach the local farmers as well so the first of all we would like to do the the local the youth because well so here maybe the story starts because when we start the aston cutaway and then when we also where we're in green school we have a lot of discussion with the farmer there so what the farmer said there um at that moment because nowadays the issue is about there really less young people to going back to the the land why yeah because of like what i mentioned because bali is known well as the tourism side so most of people going to to tourism so what were those young people doing during the pandemic so like all those young people that were working in hospitality what did what did they do so for me that i have friends that working in hospitality and then i tried because he not really get a full-time job at that moment and then i tried to invite him to also help in gardening stuff so that's only one example so another example people in siban kajo and what what farmer mentioned there a lot of young people also going back to help farming like harvesting flowers and and so on yeah so they're going back to the they were definitely going back to the village even so even like a trendy bartender at a day beach club was doing that yep what a contrast yeah so yeah yeah that pandemic is a lot of people going back to the nature do you think the pandemic may be a good thing for bali secretly uh secretly like like foreign indirectly it was a good thing for bali yeah i i know there's a lot of suffering i don't want to downplay that i understand but do you think maybe it got people re like thinking for about how they're living here for the way they're producing food i think it's really good for for them to have also their back experience to producing food so like connecting with their land and then yeah their heritage their heritage speaking of like fancy beach clubs because you know bali is full of these fancy trendy beach clubs i mean and i mean this is a genuine question tim oh you mentioned that aston carraway is now um collaborating with iconic beach club in bali potato head so would you mind giving us a bit of an insight as to what you guys are working on together uh sure yeah i mean potato has a unique beach club if you want to call it that um it's a hotel as well isn't it yeah it's a hotel but it's i mean their main emphasis you know when they talk about themselves it's about art and design and music and community and um they they take those things really seriously that's how they define themselves and they as well have defined themselves as being on a path first on sustainability path for a long time and that's how i got to know them through green school and they were often engaged in in the events and uh with several of the initiatives that were happening at green school and yeah i guess i was they called me up a few months ago and i guess they had heard about austin got away and they liked the way that we were using the word regenerative and they they realized that like you know maybe more and more tourism providers are going to have to start thinking in terms of regeneration not just sustainability so they were thinking about how they could transition and they asked us for some advice so we came and sat with them and yeah a lot of things came up and and they were intrigued and so we've been we've been supporting them in that path towards regeneration since for i guess the past four months now so interesting um in terms of tourism because we talk a lot about tourism i am aware that you had some discussions or meetings with the head of tourism in bali in the government appointed head of tourism can you give us an insight as to what your relationship there was with with the uh actually that was kind of a uh fortuitous event it was it was the minister of tourism for indonesia uh actually not not for bali uh oh wow yeah and we were well i was called up by uh somebody one of the parents who was in our rice cycle course who uh was like he's an investment and a management consultant and and works with those uh you know those kind of business people that i in that world that i don't really know that fuzzy world out there in jakarta and the in world capitals and uh he's he called me up a few weeks ago and said i have a banker friend in jakarta he's got to come here and and uh with a consortium of investors and such and talk about green or eco-tourism i don't know maybe you might want to talk to him would it be okay if i floated your contact to him and i said um sure and a couple weeks later some guy in jakarta called me up and said hi i'm this guy and i'm with this bank and me and a couple of institutional investors are coming around and we'll likely be meeting with the ministry of tourism or a team of them uh would you be interested in coming along to um you know just be present because we're interested in green or ecotourism and i said um green tourism he said i feel like you're cringing and i said yeah man i'm really cringing when you start using words like ecotourism or green tours in my magic why well just because i mean it's so easy to build a building a structure out of bamboo and in a great big resort that is otherwise trashing the island and and call it eco-tourism you know you've done one or two things sort of right and i mean i told them you know we're not so interested in in using labels like yuco or green we're more interested in taking a really high integrity approach to regeneration and trying to understand how we can make that happen and he said oh that's interesting tell me more so i told him about aston caught away and he said would you be willing to put together a slide deck for the minister and i said well geez i guess and so we sent that to him and then a few days later he said could you come out and meet us for dinner and i imagined that it would be the minister of tourism along with his cohort and probably uh a hundred or so people sitting in a big table in in nusadua and as it turned out it was like a couple of banks and a couple of institutional investors on one side of the table and the minister of tourism and his deputy and myself and my business partner on the other side of the table so we actually got to tell him about aston cottaway and in fact he had already found out about it so it was really really encouraging and and i think well they too are looking at how they're going to develop these nex bali tourism sites in other on other islands across indonesia and they seem to have an interest in figuring out how to do that in a way that also supports and respects local communities so uh that's that's uh quite a challenge i think for uh big operators so that's the fundamental challenge right yeah exactly so um at least they're they're willing to ask us about it and so we're we're sharing our our vision for what that would be and i'm not sure where that'll lead us but um they they have indicated that they want to sign an mou with us and and uh what's the memorandum of understanding okay sorry yes i'm not down with all the the the acronyms it's i mean it's a very it's not a contract it's a a loose affiliation that would indicate an intention to work together um which could result in working together or could just be an intention but at least it's something and um and we were really honored to have that opportunity to speak directly to a minister who um and i i mean who expressed what seemed to be a sincere intention to uh do the right things for local communities um and for to develop a regenerative village tourism model wow yeah wow you could possibly help him with that and work on that aston kara what does that remain matano so the aston karo means like got wheels so god will yeah so every time that's the god will way so yeah good well yeah we good will or god will god god yeah god yeah i got wills so yeah when people in bali usually say it um hopefully today will be nice day and then we said yeah i like that man yeah i'm going to say that on my motorbike when i'm riding through traffic okay people yeah it's oh man it's it's special and i was sort of talking to tim earlier you know i've had tim on the podcast a couple of times and personally i'm just really now intrigued in continually documenting the don't the journey of the ashton khan away because i've sort of now seen its inception um and i when i first had tim on the podcast he you were still working at the green school and you know you were you were talking about this vision i mean you'd already had it i think already underway but you're like i think that's what i'm really gonna do and just to see where it's come now you know meetings with ministers whether they're just intentional but whatever you know and um and a real i see this the links with some of the local people team even stronger and stronger and just sort of looking at the relationship between you and pak martina it's it's it's it's stronger than ever since i remember you know like a family sort of feel it's super special i think um can you tell me who else is in your team with the aston karaway all right so we have uh of young balinese young bones yeah you join our uh way yeah so some of my partner some of my friends also from the university like um one year younger than me like so there are three of them so also join with us and then we call it they are amigos amigos yeah omegas three amazing yeah yeah okay so we have uh friends yeah from singapore we also have aichi and then yeah we have agusta most of balinese young male nice people and for those that don't know matano um what is the aston kara trail that you guys do you do the amazing um i guess would you call it a pilgrimage tim pilgrimage across bali yup describe it for us uh yeah for me that already been trying to do it with the team as well i remember enjoy yeah because we would like to offer to the customers so we need to make sure when we try we all still live until the end of the customers so people pay to put themselves through that pain it's not as painful now so that's the the first one so we it's really like for me when when i was growing the city side so i've been not really going to up there to the other side of bali for me is being the one that starting i mean like together as a team starting to try the first drill together as a team and then been passing a lot of uh like mid uh like drop drop like meeting point or i don't know like this stopping point sorry checkpoints yeah checkpoint and then meet a lot of different people and then with different culture and then also the geograph geography also geography yeah the geography also different like from the from the city or ubun and then become it like rice field until the forest and then it's really make me things so bali is not it's not about the south side there's also something that i can feeling really nature in the north side so for me connect with the people learner but it's it's point the authentic of its point the authentical balinese it's buoyant yeah really authentic so it's it's make me feel like i don't know like because i'm not really half traveling a lot because i'm only like growing up there and i really have traveling a lot so i feel like bit okay so here is the valley with their diversity it's not it's not always it's not only like what what's happening in the city but there's also really beautiful experience along the way are not there so yeah like so if someone paid to do it they can be guaranteed that they will see authentic bali and and and actually have a really fulfilling enriching experience yeah with the balinese family as well yeah do you hope that um those experiences are life-changing for people yup so for the people that we already been have experienced together some of them has really really special like life changing what i can see from the people who who walk with us together so maybe maybe can give more more with that because i am doing only a few few trails because i'm focusing in subakumalambing so what i mentioned when i do facilitate the one that have a stopping point at subakumalambing near green school so then i see how they really enthusiasts every time they they're doing the farming things there so i think and then until the end of the day they give a lot of gifting a lot of good testimonial about what they experience during the whole the drill so i think it's it's it's make also life changing for people yeah sounds like it sounds like it for sure especially connecting with the source of their food and then try to also make the traditional food that that what balinese usually eat so so will they well they cook their own food as well on the way yeah on the way so for me when i facilitated in subakumalaming so we we try to start with the planting rice together and then maybe not like suddenly harvest at that time but we have some of the the the rice that we already have first before her first day before and then we try to cook like as traditional as we can i mean like because of we we love like there's one of uh traditional food is called chanto tipa tipa chanto chatong chanto yeah so deepa chandok is what like the sticky rice but we need to weave in with the the palm leaf and then we we learned together how to make the palm leaf first like the weaving palm leaf into into some safe and then we put the rice and then we boil it together and then we mix and then it becomes sticky yep and then we cook it with the peanut sauce and then we add some vegetables from the garden so people are going you don't pick the vegetables together yeah pig and then yeah pick the vegetable together and make the sticky rice together exactly and then at the end of the day we have dinner together and we have sits together with the farmer to talk about what their challenges and then yeah there's maybe some possibility to true all their their challenges so yeah at that moment we have experience in the field and also experience with the the people around like for me like the farmer in that place yeah have an experience with the farmers you get to know them and and how they live yeah and how they live there's i usually have long conversation at that moment because a lot of people asking about subac in bali about how the subah managed and what the situation now in the suburbs so yeah this will be a lot of throwing question at that moment yeah so for those that don't know the subac is the integr uh the water system yeah the water system so how the the use there's also organization who manage that so there's a head of the zubac and then the head of the subak is called pokase hand and this they will have uh they will have the dirty or the the work to control or diminish the water so because of they'll probably have more water or less water it depends on what they are planting and then when they're planting it and then we are replanting it wow man so good yeah i love it it's um i don't know i'm just sort of like imagining being there and then doing it myself you know but um tim i i'm gonna ask you this question first and then i'm going to ask martana but like what what what would you like to see and what is the future of bali in your what would your dream future barley be look like that's the question i'm trying to ask oh i think you know bali is all about balance the balinese philosophy is very much attuned to balance you know offerings made up high and down below acknowledging light and dark seen and unseen i'd love to see a bali that's back in balance because i think uh as martina mentioned the green revolution i think that really threw it of course in some ways there's still a beautiful balance that's expressed on a daily basis here and every offering that's given and in just the way the balinese people are but there are a couple of things like mass tourism and and the green revolution and the chemical usage on the fields that have really thrown a wrench in the works and i i my dream for bali is that that balance gets reestablished that a new form of tourism could emerge that is truly respectful that there really honors and acknowledges uh the true beauty of bali the true ingenuity of bali as well as distributes the wealth to the people that need it and know how to be good stewards of it so yeah that would be my my hope for bali as well as i mean i i think what i'd love to see happen here i think is more possible to see happen here because people are still very much connected with nature and the source of their food in bali the average balinese person even if they live in dumbass probably still have a sense of where their rice came from or where their vegetables came from or where their meat come from whereas we in the western world have kind of lost touch with that and i think we're all at this critical well an inflection point in the the crisis the food the food industry is just in a mess and i think we're we're all going to feel the pinch um well if we have already and i think more and more it's going to become an acute kind of issue that we're all going to have to wrestle with and i see bali as being better positioned than most to make that transition to self-sufficiency and resiliency and even abundance in the face of of all of this pressure that's on the industrial food system so maybe bali could be a great model to inspire other places to to make that same transition yeah matara what's your vision for bali what i'm fishing for bali as a balinese i think living in harmony so yeah living with the all creatures that she made the government been surrounding with the food that we can harvest easily so it's just being live in harmony with with people with the god and then yeah people bully as well yeah so that's the the three hitakaran uh yeah principle so we have the three takarana so the three cause happiness so this can make our happy so our prosperous prosperity and then the first is how we make the good good relation with the gods and then how we make a good relation with the people and then how we can make good relation with the nature so i think that's for me personally i really love to see bali living in harmony between three of what i mentioned they're the that's the best i think every country needs to adopt that is such a it's such a great philosophy approach ah man listen up like it's funny like like i said i've been to bali in a couple of years um it's been like a really it's been quite a profound experience for me you know i kind of had a moment where i thought i wasn't going to be able to come back you know the world just went so crazy for a while there and i'm sort of like it's just bizarre for me but i just forgot like um how relaxed i feel here i think it's a combination of the warm weather you know and also you know i mean i'm sitting under you know like uh balance and it's um i just feel this real peace come over me and i just want to ask you like what would you say to to foreigners if they're thinking about coming back like do you want them to come back to bali and and visit like oh you how do you feel about that so yeah just what i mentioned in the beginning so like the tourism if it go back again to bali if they go back to bali i think it's need to be balanced with the agriculture as well so it's not like balance with the agriculture yeah balance with the agriculture it's not like one side is really going up and the other side is really going down so for me um if the bullet come back again to bali so what i hope is let's let's make it balance between how the tourism grow and then how the agriculture go as well so that's how you'd like to see it done differently this time and we have an opportunity there's an opportunity for that to change yeah yeah so that's just aston kara is i think to do the regenerative tourism like working with alongside with the local partner that doing farming but i kind of feel like the average tourist wouldn't know how to do that because they're conditioned to book hotels and resorts mm-hmm in and just you know enjoy the beaches and the ocean and the pools and the restaurants i don't think it's and you know some people are very on short time frames because it's their one holiday of the year from their job you know do you think it's do you think it's realistic yeah for me if if it again if it's too sore for them to doing farming like another stuff like what you mentioned i think being use the philosophy that i mentioned the trihita karana yeah even though it's just only holiday if even though they just only have like really like quick holiday if they do like make a harmony between that three things i think that's really simple way to make it in balan as well like what simple yeah and i'll have a good holiday yeah good karma good karma as well yes yes speaking of good karma i packed him shattered me lunch today thanks tim what i don't know about the caramel at his beautiful korean and wife's beautiful korean restaurant sugi roll in pereiran and man that hot dog i feel like i actually want to go back there and have another one before i head back to uluwatu yeah do i have to pay to have to pay this it's so inconvenient the whole i'm just kidding so listen um guys i i do generally i ask all guests to come to the podcast with a cause they want to support or advocate for however in your in this instance i think you know the best the cause is the aston carraway and please like go to their website it's the astoncaraway.com can you spell it for us tim uh yeah it's www aston kara a s t u n g k a r a way w a y dot com dot com aston gotoway.com
and then go there check out the website see how you can um participate yeah yeah you can even if you're in australia you can still contribute by purchasing our healthy rice and we we have actually a lot of people buying the rice to donate it to food kitchens that are supporting people in need here so it's kind of like getting more bang for your charity buck you feed people and also feed them healthy rice that expands their regenerative footprint and bali while you're at it yes it really is god's work man i don't know i feel that's why i'm drawn to it like you know like people say to me how do you how do you select guests for the podcast and i'm like just people that's i'm interested in and and spark something deep in my heart that's how i pick my guests you know and then you guys do that so thank you and please like continue on the mission and hopefully we can have we can keep discussing it and and and monitoring the journey of the ashland caraway and uh i love i would love to do the trail one day soon if i can line up the dates so we'd love to have you walk with us five or ten days thanks man it's god's will man i think it's a nice way to end it yeah so if you enjoyed this episode please it always helps the podcast in terms of expanding the reach to people if you follow on spotify leave a review on apple podcasts like a five-star review or you don't have to give it five stars but if you write a review these things help to um you know get these messages further and that's what i'm aiming to do but if you don't do that i'm just really grateful that you listen to this podcast so thank you and uh you can find this episode and a back catalog of approximately 150 episodes uh on terriblehappytalks.com and um you know there's also the social media thing follow and you can keep up to date with who who i'm having on from week to week this is a weekly podcast so thanks for listening pakmartana packtim thank you shannon astunkara you
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