The Shooter's Mindset Episode 348 Adam Pini KGM Technology

hey guys it's jennifer with the shooters mindset we are live with episode 348 of the shooters mindset we've got adam piney is our guest here tonight how you doing adam fantastic a little behind the eight ball still gotta load ammo for alabama this weekend but i still got time i just finished mine tonight i'll get to it at some point and we got our co-host tonight greg cannon how's it going hey everyone all right we'll go ahead and jump in so adam for anybody that's unfamiliar with you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into shooting uh so my name is adam pini i am the business development manager for kgm technologies we're a suppressor manufacturer out of norcross georgia we also do a number of other things where a r d facility for a variety of outside companies so as we do some stuff for the dod we also do in-house coatings everything from surface treatments and surface conversions to nitriding and a bunch of other stuff um that's kind of that's our company as a whole we do on average 18 to 22 000 silencers a month in manufacturing so we do a significant amount uh we oem for uh several companies it makes us the largest in the country when it comes to suppressor manufacturing and we've learned a lot and we pride ourselves on being experts in a lot of things when it comes to suppressors uh myself i've worked in the firearms industry for 13 years now probably 15 if you count working in gun shops i've worked for a variety of different companies in my time everything from knights armament lwrc american defense manufacturing just to name a few i bounced around for a long time and found my home here and i've been here for several years and i truly truly love it uh suppressors are a huge passion of mine medically i shoot cans just to allow me to enjoy shooting uh unsuppressed rifles really kind of messed me up so we'll get into that a little bit down the line some of the medical stuff we'll talk about uh originally i was in the trap skeet and sporting clays i shot that for a very very long time and several years ago i got into prs actually really a long time ago my prs number is like 269 so it's a three digit and got out of it for a while and then jumped back into it two years ago and started competing again and truly love it i totally forgot how awesome the people are and you know rebuild our project or our products for the end users and they try to be the best that they can be for the job that they have they're not a catch-all they're really designed to be perfect for the application they're intended to pretend to use that's awesome so you've been around what how did you exactly get into your current role with kgm uh so when i left knight's armament um i kind of bounced around and did some uh some consulting like i said i've been around i know a lot about a lot of things um i pride myself on trying to be intelligent at the things i'm really interested in i'm pretty stupid in a lot of stuff but the things i know i'd like to think i know um and i work uh kyle grob who is our one of our owners is i've been a buddy of mine for a long time and i was helping him on a suppressor project just as a consultant and we got our heads together because i was realizing that traditional suppressors there's a lot there that actually has a detriment inside precision rifle shooting especially when you compare it to shooting with a muzzle brake you know i found myself always being behind the power curve if i'm shooting a skills barricade i can't recover as quick with a traditional can as somebody shooting a really good muzzle break like a 419 sidewinder an apa fat bastard clay and tate's new muzzle uh muzzle device like those really good brakes that work well to keep the gun neutral traditional cans because there's no way to vent pressure they trap it they increase your dwell time so it elongates your recoil thus making the shooter feel like there's more recoil there and you're getting a lot more muzzle movement so if a traditional break if you break a you know pull a trigger break a shot on a barricade you might have you know half a mil of vertical movement with a traditional can you're probably going to have you know close to three mils of vertical muscle movement so you just can't recover fast enough you're generally not able to see trace as often uh if you're in a really bad spot and you're not applying fundamentals chances of seeing where your round impact either on plate or off you know goes out the window being able to spot height or plate movement so if i bang a target when dropped and i hit the left side you can't really pick that up by the time you recover the plates already starting to become neutral so we worked together on the r65 which was our first can of how do we make this thing work with recoil accuracy and sound pretty much being the last thing sound we knew would eventually come but it just it wasn't high on the priorities we wanted it to be as close to a muzzle break and performance and recovery as we could while still maintaining all those positives of suppressor and reduce sound reduce concussion um while still being able to shoot and still being able to see all those things that are important for us as shooters so that's that's how i got into it i was consulting for a while and then they asked me to come on board and talk to the wife and prayed about it made the jump and moved up here she ended up getting a job at kgm uh a week after me and she's now our head of compliance so i you know run in the gray most times between you know getting in trouble or not and she's the one that keeps me out of trouble i like them compliance people i'm manager regulatory affairs where i work oh y'all are the meanest folks ever you don't ever see the gray it's black or white it's like well i mean until it's not it is because you know what the state department they'll shut you down or they won't there is oh i know oh we'll just let this be great but that's what's great about you guys is you know they keep us in line like i get a twofold because uh you know i get it at work and i get it at home i'll never forget one time i was out doing some uh machine gun testing and i came home instead of going back to the office because it was late and she walks in she's like why is there a 240 belt fed in our foyer i was like tomorrow she's like did you at least book it i was like yeah i booked it out i got the form too like we're covered she's like good that was hilarious never know what you're gonna have so tell us a little bit about the history of kgm how did it get its start uh so that's that's a really interesting story in and of itself um the company as a whole has existed right at about nine ten years now uh initially kyle grob you know he he was the founder he was the one with the vision uh he comes from a nuclear welding background he was in charge of fixing welding and repairing old nuclear reactors um so he was really really smart when it came to the welding side of things that'll tie in when we get to where we are now um he opened up his own machine shop got into doing race car fab and stuff like that but being a gun guy he was like you know what i'm gonna start playing around with suppressors he's also had a really weird infatuation with titanium uh titanium is a great material it's strength the weight properties are off the map uh its thermal dynamics are really impressive as well so the ability to heat up quickly but consistently and then dissipate that heat rapidly there's really nothing that can meet that material so he started uh building cans and they were they were big they were meant to be quiet but because the material they were lighter than most in that class i think the old uh rogue 338s for one of the quietest 338 cans ever made so he got tied in doing that he made it was called kg made then then kg maybe became an actual suppressor company but he would do contract work for other companies weld studies stuff like that we picked up a big oem contract and started manufacturing a large volume of suppressors for another company and in that time have since evolved to kgm technologies because we do so much more than just suppressors like i said uh coatings r and d oem manufacturing we'll do more than just cans we do stuff for the bmx industry stuff for the fashion industry automotive so it opens us up to a much broader clientele some that may be not so big on the gun stuff and some that are big on the gun stuff it's just um they give it more like l3 technologies you know they're a big company everybody knows what they do but their names very autonomous it's pretty cool greg you got any lives i can't see anything over there i just said a lot of stuff that's all i got right now oh my mama so what sets kgm suppressors and fart providers like you said that it helps decrease because i've shot suppressors before and i have a hard time shooting them in competition because the amount of the elongated recoil i wouldn't say it's more recoil it's just different and the longer impulse makes it really hard to stay on target so what sets kgm suppressors apart from others um so yeah i mean what you what you've experienced is not uncommon uh it's something i've fought my entire life you know i've had a bunch of concussions so shooting unsuppressed is not an option for me uh but what sets arkansas apart is it was driven by people that understood the end goal and understood what you know what the application was uh so our first cans were uh r65 so built around six five creedmoor boat gun uh either a competition gun or a law enforcement rifle those were what it was built around so the first thing was how do we uh reduce muzzle rise reduce recoil and make it so that it's adaptable for every person because how i like recoil it's probably different than you you know what i visually like to see is totally different than most other folks so our first uh the thing that really set us apart it's called the apec it's our adjustable port end cap so this is an r6 it's a six millimeter can it's uh five and a quarter inches it weighs eight ounces so it's weighs nothing as pressure runs through you're going to have two pathways one through the aperture so your projectile is going down with all that pressure behind it once that pressure enters our our blast baffle some of it's bled off and diverted through the body so as it goes down both of those pathways are going to hit the apec which basically has a reverse three prong that's kind of spun so it's going to vent all that pressure out of the 10 radial ports we took it another step further as you can see kind of each one you can plug off so you can tune this end cap for how you want some guys run them wide open because that's what they like me i generally will close off the bottom two because i want the gun to be a little bit snappier in recovery so it's a little bit quicker for me but that was the thing is i can make it one way and it's you know you just kind of take what you can get or you can make it tunable and make it so everybody will love it i know guys that'll do you know close the bottom they'll close one at the top or close three at the top where they just have their side ports it works for everybody and the cool thing is uh the way it's threaded on the back end with the mount you can move the gun the gun to gun the gun and at some point you're always either going to have a port clock directly at 12 or you're gonna have two directly at 12 so always give you an equal number on the bottom so it'll always work really really well this one came off of my wife's six gt so it's got two at the bottom and it clocks two at the top and that's just the way she likes it um suppressors really especially in precision rifle um we shoot these big recoiling calibers they're big but we shoot so many rounds um that most guys are worn out you know end of day one and they feel like crap the end of day two because you're constantly getting hit with all that pressure being able to cut that concussion down cut the noise down and make all that pressure work for you ends up being a huge benefit so i don't find myself being uh any more behind the power curve uh the reason i miss shots is because i make bad trigger pulls or bad wind calls it's not that i you know this isn't causing i don't have that excuse anymore if like you know i broke a shot and i went three miles high i got no clue where where it went you know i can watch trace all the way into the target i can see when a plate moves i don't i don't have that deficit now against muzzle brakes and what's neat and weak because of some of the testing features that we have in our facility we can prove down to a single newton uh what our cans will do in terms of recoil reduction so on like 300 normal i think we reduce from bare muzzle to a can on you get something like a 38 in recoil reduction when you compare it to i think we did it to the standard barrack break our cam was actually like four or five percent softer in recoil than a break most people assume that muzzle brakes are softer recall but the problem is you're making that assumption in a time of chaos with the bang and the concussion going off so your your perception is really kind of off when i slap it into a vice that measures unbelievably accurate before and aft in recoil i can i can tell you without a doubt what it does and it's not bias it's uh the machine is several hundred thousand dollars it's super expensive to produce data that you can't argue with and at the end of the day that's gonna be the more valuable thing that's really awesome i love when you know some people out are out here and they're like oh yeah you know my product a is the best because it feels better but like when you actually you know go and do the scientific experiments and prove without a doubt that you know does something that's uh that's the kind of stuff i'm interested in yeah and there's amazing products out there like i've shot some great muzzle brakes you know or i've seen some great muzzle brakes being random there i've seen some pretty poor ones that people claim do a lot that they really don't um and then cans are the same way there's some that just do really odd stuff when you shoot them and there's some that are pretty pretty simple um another thing that we focused on was uh maintaining or improving system accuracy the last thing i ever wanted was to spend several thousand dollars on a really nice rifle to put a can on it to have to tune my ammo to suppressed or unsuppressed uh if you take one of our cans you will never have to change your load you could we'll have it this weekend at alabama guys can spin their brakes off put a can on they'll have no change in zero and their data won't change we've had z we've tested these out to a mile and had no poi shift like it's if it's there it's so small that you can't shoot inside that difference um concentricity wise is another our concentricity is a big thing for us uh if you ever want to see something interesting spin one of these on a lathe um and compare it to other people you'll see some that have you know 15 plus style run out uh the max allow that we do on ours is seventh out and that's from the mount that is a secondary piece to the front of the can so it's super straight uh what that gives you is as your projectile is going through pressure's rolling through equally there's no hidden pockets in the can and there's no way for suppressor boost to happen suppressor boost is terminology for traditional cans as your bullet goes down these little pockets of air pressure throughout the can are going to act like a slingshot and start making the gun or the projectile faster because ours vent pressure and because of how concentric it is we don't experience that that's awesome with the um faster because ours pressure oh hey if you do that mute it so that people can't uh hear you like me but you can't mute it till you get on there i'm trying to look at all the comments because i swear to god if apprentice doesn't stop i'm going to kill you next time i see you i can't go through the comments on my phone because they're so muddled up with prentiss are the scores posted yet i i think i see steam coming out of her head i'm gonna post something in a minute i can't even go through something um is is that your bra behind you yep uh so uh i worked for kdgam but i shoot for some amazing companies that i'm truly blessed that they've decided to support and back me uh i shoot for leupold on their pro staff red beer gun works does all my gunsmithing shoot for foundation stocks uh kyle's or sorry john kyle um the truists themselves they're some of the most amazing people i've ever met i also shoot for alpha munitions i run their brass but yeah um my main two match guns are either a six gt or mainly it's been six bra this year um and shoots great uh i'll dive back in the cans for a second uh so we're actually one of the only companies that do a dedicated six mil i noticed if you ever so if you go on our website you look at the specs you'll see the calibers they can handle and there's a section called optimized calibers so when we started on the 6.5 it was built around six five creed to six five psalm five prc those were the calibers we tested and developed that can around when i made the switch and started shooting uh brs bras and dashers it wasn't working enough the can works really well the harder you push it the more pressure you can put in the better it performs um so we went down developed a six millimeter so this one is built for your brs to your six gts it'll run whatever you throw at i mean i'm getting ready to build a six millimeter prc that this will handle all the pressure on uh the 30 cal can um it was built for you know it'll run 22 all the way up to 300 norma it was built around 308 to 300 normal those were the optimized calibers ones that we shot that we tested on that we wanted them to perform the best on you know most folks may not know unless they spend a lot of time but if you spend enough time and i give you you know six five and you put it on a br you're like oh okay i get it i get it and then i give you this right well that's that's different the gun recovers better recovers a little faster because i'm pushing it harder with the appropriate amount of pressure for the size of the cane that's awesome and that's something that i just learned a thing that's cool thing about doing the show is sometimes a lot of times i learn all sorts of cool stuff uh chad heckler was asking how many rounds are on your bra now uh which barrel so this is barrel barrel 2 for the year um i got 2500 out of my last one uh this one it's still early in its prime like this one's only got 800 on it and then i've got a new one sitting in the wings for a g cup nice that's pretty pretty good barrel knife yeah um i for some reason this this barrel specifically uh it likes to be fast so i shot the high note and the low note of this gun and the low note was really good i mean i i take it don't match any day but the second i got in the high note it shot some of the best groups i've ever had and i had to make a personal distinction of like is that the gun that likes this or is it me that likes a faster dwell time gun so i did some like personal experiments shooting um 22 long rifle 6br going slow uh six creed going fast and sat there and shot them all and kept shooting groups and the ones that i ended up shooting the best groups with the least amount of effort were the cartridges running faster so i don't like being fast this one's running on 105 at like 29.20 that's really screaming fast for me uh but it shoots good it stays out of pressure the alpha ocd brass it doesn't really care about pressure um and just it's working for me i've had shot this one in the last two uh two days and i've done better than i have for the rest of season so we'll see how it runs that's awesome i'm that that's real cool that it's doing that good and lasting freaking forever i wish i had anything how long that's for 22 barrel yeah um barrel calibers are interesting i mean everybody shoots a lot of different stuff i mean guns now are so accurate it's really hard to pick what's better than others um especially when you get into the br variants you know vr bra dasher it really came down to like i chose bra because i didn't want to deal with uh fireforming dasher and this was before i the guys at alpha helped me out so i was like oh just you know i can put vr in pull a trip pull the trigger and it'll fire form so i can shoot a match and fireform at the same time and i just truly loved it but if you can't reload you know you're going six creed and you're dealing with you know 11 or 1200 round barrel life and that's it yeah that's that's sweet um sniper bill just asked if you are going to be at gap grind uh it depends on some military stuff that i have i will for sure be at gap next year but it's a 50 50 on if i'll be there this year uh k m's not too far of a drive so i may come out for one day just to hang out and see everybody and they'll help out if i can so the answer is i don't know but check social media we'll probably post something if myself or scott go out awesome right ryan allison said bring one of these for him to try this weekend always uh so if i'm if you ever see me at a match it doesn't matter if it's a one day or two day i always have you know four or five spare cans on me i keep a variety of different amounts so like i'm a three quarter 24 guy if you're a 5 8 guy like i i cover bases um i've had plenty of people um one i can quote uh keith lane he took his break off at war rifles put a new 30 cal on there no change at zero shot the dip shot the whole match you know got it back and you know he was like i feel great or you won't have to change anything so if somebody wants to play around with a can we can always shoot him on practice day if you want to shoot him for a match shoot him for a match i want people to understand there are more options out there technology continues to change cans get better not just hours but others shooting suppressed is not only really nice for everybody around you but it's actually better for you health-wise at the end of the day so i'm trying next year to hopefully do a suppressor only match i've been talking to a few md's that are super interested so it'll be something that i don't care what can you bring just bring a can and if you can't i'll have one there for you that would be awesome that is cool so what are the health benefits of a suppressor uh so a lot actually um you watch anybody shoot with a break you can see all the concussion coming out of it when you pull a trigger your most shooters are either one of two things they're either mouth open or mouth closed if your mouth closed easiest pathway up is through the nose direct shot into the you know into the brain but i need working on that swearing so sorry it messes with your sinuses uh it messes with your equilibrium it's intense pressure to your head your skull your brain uh all your neck tendons everything we did some pressure testing with 50 cows uh up at camp atterbury earlier this year um an unsuppressed 50 will impose 18 psi at the center of the shooter's head and that's with a 28 inch 50 cal barrel so you're putting yes it's a lot of pressure a lot of recoil but it's still far enough away we put a can on it we ran our 50 calcan it dropped it down to 1.5 psi that's a huge reduction that's a huge amount of pressure taken away from you there's a big study right now especially on the mill side for tbi especially when it comes to pressure related incidents so flash bangs machine guns sniper rifles are a big thing that constant impulse pressure every single time you pull it it's messing with your brain upstairs so i'll gladly supply you guys with some data that we've done as well as data that we have helped with that way we can get it out like i said at the end of the day even if you don't buy our cans shooting cans period is just it's better for you in the long run um is we all have an excuse 100 so our brain moments because it's from shooting so here's the thing no not all of us some of us it's just age i i'm i'm getting up there too but no seriously think about it you shoot unsuppressed how are you feeling the end of the day too i'm sorry well yo practice day then two days in the match how are you feeling when you're driving home worn out exhausted how many times you went left the match on day one went back to the hotel and you were just be tired shoot suppressed i guarantee it's different i can go back answer emails function like i normally do because i'm not worried about beating the ever living life out of myself uh i can't shoot unsuppressed because of uh i've had three concussions in my life so i shoot unsuppressed i get unbelievably bad mental fog uh terrible terrible migraines and to the point where like i'll sit down you're like you okay and i'm like i just i need a minute and i i i can't process anything um spencer berry it's another one like that um that's actually how me and spencer became friends this is the only other guy i saw you know match in you know every time shooting suppressant i was like well why do you do when you could shoot a break and we talked about it and i was like man i'm not the only one and mine came from stupid stuff like football across and you know hardcore music at concerts like you know he has a much more uh you know interesting experience when it comes to his but it affects us all differently and i don't know about you i like coming home after a match and being able to love my life like i want to and play with my dogs and just live a life and not worry about having a headache or being a little bit slow or you know having a bad night's sleep i just want to continue to be me every day and shooting suppressed allows it i mean look at all the guys now they're going to they're performing as good on day two as they did on day one or they're able to build and steamroll on day two because they've got that energy they've got that faster mental processing speed um i uh there's a thing called mental load mental load is what your brake can handle you know if it's got 100 capacity inside it is what it can handle so shooting a rifle you've now got wind data all that stuff then it is dealing with that extra percentage on the back end of concussion noise blast how many times have you shot inside a pipe and eaten concrete dust take all that out you can now operate on a higher mental level so that way you can make smarter decisions shot to shot without worrying about getting beat up you know your days of having a flinch because of that bang go away dave said three concussions them are rookie numbers i know i will not be getting those numbers up though you're fine with being a rookie on this one yep i'll absolutely tap out on that one um i don't wanna you know taste sound and i i'm cool with where i'm at now i can i can process and function on like a solid eighth grade level most days so we'll keep it there that's funny every time uh every time you start talking about concussion and that's not the other thing i'm just having like horrible flashbacks the time is like as i was pulling the trigger my ear fell off inside of a pipe and oh yeah that was horrible oh i love alabama because there's you know the stages are spaced out enough uh this earlier this year i shot with matt partain matt shoot suppressed and because both for our last name start with a p and we were spaced out enough we'd better take our ears off and just go shoot on suppress and it was so great you know it just it takes you out of that stress situation of like oh we're actually doing it to where you're just enjoying it and having fun like i could come off and have to worry about racing to get my my ear pro back on we just shot like we were shooting you know any old weekend mike said wait wait wait adam so if i shoot a can it makes me smarter nah i'm not saying that i'm just saying it's not going to make anybody dumber and then corey said that he's out of luck hey uh corey's got a 30 cal coming he can tell you how great like again i i i love our products i have a lot of blood sweat and tears into them but even if you don't buy our products should suppress with somebody's um thunderbeast is an amazing company great products uh area 419 the maverick is a great product sounds like omega i mean that was the can outside like an ultra seven for a very long time now their gsl makes good products those those cans just shoot and suppress will make it better yeah there are some negatives but like anything else you're going to find some positives inside that as well and we can always buy newer and better stuff we're not you know running the same car all the time most people are getting a new vehicle every five six years stuff like that so same with cans and cans purchasing suppression is actually going to get really really easy significantly soon in october you're going to see some things come out of the atf that's going to make your wait times drastically less so it's about as far as i can get into it but the days of waiting a year to actually take this home are very close to ending that's awesome rudy asks what the current wait times you're seeing this is going to sound super braggadocious and i apologize i don't know because i haven't filed for myself in a very long time um i'm about to do it for a thunderbeast ultra seven um so i'm assuming probably 9 to 12 months it's when you buy nfa stuff you buy because you want it then you can afford it and then randomly you're going to get a phone call saying you can take it home and it's like christmas in july i used i used to always keep something whether it was a form one sbr a short belt shotgun a suppressor i always had something and i would just forget about them i see guys with these apps that track dates and it's like why what's it matter eventually it's going to come to you so just wait for the random phone call from your dealer saying hey your stamp showed up it's surprise you're happy you go pick it up and you get to play your new toy yeah that's that's what i did last year i want to say my weight was five five months amount so i mean that uh i'll never forget my first first stance was a sbr it was 61 days door-to-door and i was back when you had to mail them like it was it was so cool that first experience and i had just turned like 21. i was like i don't know what i'm doing here and it it's truly what ignited that love for title 2 and nfa items it's something that continues to go for this day plus it's the historical stuff i've got cans that are 10 years old i've got some old cans that are probably 20 30 years old but it's because it's what i like to collect and yeah it just if you like them buy them it's also your right you know if you live in a state that you can own them and exercise your right to that um buy a 22 can if you don't own one tell everybody first thing you buy is a 22 can it is the closest thing to hollywood quiet and it's the most fun you can have with your pants on i totally agree i have more than one can and my absolute favorite that's my little 22 game there corey says if it doesn't go through he's going to flog you oh if he knows what i'm talking about it's done it's just when they decide to do it that's i can't help with that so and i would like the flogging so is it really a negative you've seen corey's legs and things are gorgeous now his head's going to explode yeah could be worse yeah um so backing up a little bit um i know on your website you guys have like precision suppressors and full auto suppressors what's the what's the difference yeah uh so we break them up uh kind of in a few different families so we have uh precision side which is all um you know precision rifles that stuff uh and then we have hard use which is the machine gun carbine side and it's really just again focusing on the application not trying to make one product that does you know it's like 80 good here it's like you know 30 good here yeah you we want this can when you buy it you know for a 556 bolt gun or six millimeter arc to be the best thing at that job while it is for that it's not necessarily good for like a 10 and a half inch 556 carbine so we develop products for that the big difference is mainly in the materials we use so the precision stuff is all mainly grade 9 and grade 5 titanium where our hardware stuff is built using high nickel alloys and steels so it's a bit heavier but it's meant to take that beating so this is our r556 this is meant to be ran on you know mark 18s 556 carbines uh and stuff like that stuff that's short barrel it's going to be really abusive that you're going to shoot really fast for long firing cycle durations um titanium is great but it does have its flaws um this will fail on a 556 carbine long before this will um and then when you get out of that you get into our more off book stuff so we do some stuff with belt feds and some other things and those are program driven specific but yeah that's really the difference is what's the application use and then the material inside of it so like these cans are actually really identical uh only difference is the aperture is slightly smaller in the material but the six millimeter we learned was great shoot it on 18 inch five five sixes made some tweaks on the inter on the internal to deal with that extra pressure of short barrel gas guns changed the material around thickened up some of the baffles and we went and made our hard use line one of the nice secondary benefits to the apec is reduction in back pressure for gas guns so if you ever shoot 556 or sr25s or any semi-auto gun when you suppress it you're increasing your bolt speed and you're increasing gas particulates that come back to the shooter uh suppressors like hours and oss they bent that pressure out oss fence there is completely forward we vent ours to a 90 but it wasn't a primary reason you know again our goal with the apec was recoil reduction the beautiful secondary benefit is that reduction in back pressure so you could stay in the gun longer you're not getting gas into your face and you're not beating the gun up by overdriving it that's a that's kind of what i was thinking um but that's a great explanation of it so apparently we stated an act an inaccuracy earlier we said that the most fun thing that you could do or the most fun can you can have is on a 22 but cory said that that is not true he shed a full auto mp5 suppress is way more fun so funny story guess what's going to be on the stage this weekend at alabama a full auto suppressed mt5 you know right you're dang right what i think so i'm bringing one uh i believe it's going to be used on stage if not on the side stage but yeah i'm going to bring an mp5 with with me and jason federal is supplying the ammo i was talking with jim and i was like hey man what can we do to have some fun you know we can only shoot prs stages so many different ways what can we do it's a little different and we just kept talking i was like can i bring a machine gun he's like yeah i was like i don't care if we just do a burst into a target at 10 yards like it's something different and again you're right full auto mp5s are incredible but still not as cool as press 22s i'm sorry corey now i really wish i was going also if you're ever in augusta i want to bring a machine gun to my 22 match go for it go ahead and do that no i mean you're not that far from me if you're in augusta we're only a little bit north of atlanta nice so troy lawton wants to know if someone were to buy a kgm six millimeter precision can how many rounds approximately can we expect exp troy to elaborate oh lifetime um so i honestly don't know i've got some cans that are well over 15k like this can i think is right at about 12 000.

i clean it maybe once a year but there's no baffle erosion um suppressors are generally a lifetime purchase and one thing that we do a little bit differently is where we actually place our serial numbers so uh well it doesn't matter so we put the serial numbers in places where if we update your suppressor or you destroy this suppressor we can lock it off at the weld replace the entire front end and it'll be basically a brand new can uh the same with our five five sixes we actually serialize the back end here so we can cut the weld keep your serialized suppressor part and put a whole whole new front end on it hold me baffle stack everything um so if we ever update products and you want to send it in you know if you've got a gen 1 and you want a gen 2 or if you make a mistake and you destroy a can is not really truly destroyed we can always salvage it because the the chances of you destroying or the back end of this is so rare because technically your muzzle is right here the end you know your crown sitting inside the can with enough space that your serial number will always be protected so short term um i've seen well over uh 15 on some of our test cans but long answer is if this will be the ktm can be a product that you'll have for life if you decide you want to have you know new baffle stack put on or an updated whatever cam will always be salvageable it'll always be repairable it'll always be upgradable that's freaking awesome so are you coming to alabama this weekend yeah yeah squad seven baby because cory says he'll fight you little man and so i'm thinking saturday night we just need to have a mud pit and let y'all go at it and we'll all bring popcorn yo if somebody does a strawberry jello if you don't have a kiddie pool with strawberry jello i ain't in but if you do i'm in because that sounds like a good time with corey as long as he's wearing his shorty shorts i don't think i'm you can think you're going to weird me out you can't if nobody facetimes me during this event i'm going to be overly upset you know corey will not wear pants so oh corey just said naked um is there a downside to any of this because i haven't seen it i'm not sure that the precision rifle community is ready for that i don't think we are i mean we could probably put it on cory's only fan adam uh uh tommy asked if if do you talk without your hands over oh i'm italian no we have to like sorry it's it's the italian to me i learned it from my father who learned it from my grandfather just the way we are all right i have um um jeff wants to have those scores yet because i'm waiting on them scores i i think uh i think we were mean to him anyone away um jeff wants to know what's the coolest can or project you've done and what is your favorite cam uh coolest can uh that i have worked on um unfortunately can't really talk about it sorry that means super awesome uh it's a can that's not really built for our world but it just it truly cuts it changes what a lot of people think suppressors can do on machine guns uh and it's been amazing to be a part of that and there's some other technology that we've got coming um but honestly the one that's always going to be close to my heart is the first can we worked on uh the r the six five i had the original prototype uh my last name is a serial number uh it is the first one that we ever did so all the end cap revisions um i mean i've met that can probably has 20 000 rounds on it and you can take the back end off and see the carbon build up inside of it they just got such a great story it's one that i will always keep in my safe until we eventually do like a this is a history of our company thing but uh that that one will always be near and dear to my heart because it was cool to see an idea that i talked to kyle about and i was like hey you know is there something we could do and then an hour later he had this full cad drawing of the first apec and you know he made the can i had it in like three or four days and i just started shooting and the first time i put it on a on a tank trap and i think corey has actually shot and played with this first can and i pulled the trigger and i could watch my plate move and i you know i could see everything it was just like it works and then it was just refining it and making it better until we found that point of like the difference between good enough and perfect is a lot of time good enough is a product that people can use that they can work and that can always be updated perfect is something that sits in engineering hell and never comes out amen um jeff asked if you could kind of go over the process of tuning the ports like what what you have to do yeah let me see if i have an allen wrench set so uh when you buy a can you actually get a really really nice nano carrying case and you'll get a sticker pack there's an allen wrench and some set screws so sorry my camera's not great so see that top port that's got a set screw in it um they're actually cut on a taper so you can't drive those set screws through me being my i earned my nickname the science hammer because if it can be broke i'll break it um i drove a screw all the way through and i was like uh-oh how do we stop this from happening uh kyle was smart and he was like hey we'll just we'll taper at the bottom so you physically can't drive through it anymore um so if you look to the next one there is no uh set screw in it so looking from the muzzle these ones are face down because when it go the gun goes off instead of a hundred percent being directed 360 degrees you now have 100 percent being sent up here so the gun will recover the way i like it generally if you go down in weight up in caliber you're going to see a huge benefit from tuning the ports um i've got a uh what is that thing i don't know it's a nine pound carbon 6547 um it's a great gun to shoot a lot of fun um it shoots like a 6bra because the way i have it tuned um i've got a carbon 6.5 prc barrel coming you know it's going to be a lot more rowdy uh really i guess probably the biggest one is like my 300 norma it's not overtly heavy but the gun shoots like a comp 308 and i'm shooting a 230 grain hybrid at 29.75 so it's got some often it's moving um that big 1200 yard played at alabama dude i hit that like you're shooting a six creed at 300 yards like it just hits the plate hard but i can see everything i can see trace i could see you know where it hits on the plate i don't lose anything so tuning the ports on that really helps because the gun becomes predictable and i don't have to work as hard at managing that massive amount of recoil now transversely when you go into heavy you know 20 to 25 pound brs bras you can get away with less tuning i know a lot of guys that run completely open ports so that way the gun stays flat and neutral doesn't recover as quick in terms of like flatness but the gun stays neutral and you know it just tracks straight back into you so again it's it's personal preference um we have some content up on our youtube uh that goes over tuning the ports and if you ever ever see me i'll gladly help you and one of the cool things is that it doesn't take a lot to make a big difference i mean if you have a gas gun that when the gun goes off and reciprocates generally you see gas guns go up and to the right if you offset you know down to the left of the apex it'll flatten the gun out and it could be as little as one screw put into the apex that's pretty pretty straightforward um so we just kind of talked about you know what the original can was or what y'all's original can was but how's technology and suppressors evolved over time like you know both like what has changed on the cans then was that changed with like the the decibel reduction as well because i know you know back in the old days it was you know oh you know you can run a suppressor on your 308 but it's gonna be just as loud as a nine so you gotta you know still with your ears whereas you're talking about shooting matches with no ears at all um so really like anything technology gets better so our testing equipment has gotten better for the longest time the old b and k single post acoustic meters were what we used it was the industry standard because that was the most advanced system we had um i give kudos to ray at thunderbeast uh for for bringing the pulse into our system or into our world uh so being k um they're all about measuring sound and impulse signatures uh several years ago they released the pulse it's a basically a data management system that wrapped around uh impulse signature he saw what that technology was like okay we can use it here and the neat thing is instead of using a single uh microphone post it now you can use 12 different microphones on it and you can meter at a variety of different areas so you're getting a ton of data in so you know a meter right of muzzle either left of muzzle center of shooter's head ejection port you can do all that at once but what really made the difference was the actual recoil or sorry impulse signature so if you look at it look at it on a graph it'll do up and down so the old b and k's would measure basically the top quarter of the advancing level and then down and back so you're getting a small weighted version of what that was so that's why guys were like 140 was the number like you have 140 that's what this says that's what it was it was way to go that was the marketing hype um now with the pulse i get that full impulse signature plus 500 milliseconds before the shot so i have a full spectrum view of the actual impulse signature so now you get numbers that are higher but they're realistic um if you take cans from you know seven eight nine years ago that were quiet by definition and then you put them on this new technology they're going to meter at higher numbers because their technology's gotten better so your can that might have been a 140 then realistically it's probably a 146 a 147 an actual real db and that's been the biggest change and the biggest improvement because we look at this whole you can stand a impulse signature of 140 dbs give true kind of what is a true 140 you most folks won't know because what they have thought was 140 realistically is not so that has been truly uh the biggest advance that i have seen because you're now able to meter for a variety of different areas at the same time but you're getting a true picture of what a suppressor sounds like what it's actually giving you that's awesome like i didn't even think about the technology that you use to make the technology evolving oh yeah i mean like for us so much goes into it uh 360 degree laser welding with vision tracking um being able to we have a recoil test fixture that looks like um a big shooting rest that rolls on ball bearings it's like 2 000 pounds that we can strap the gun into we can measure barrel harmonics we can measure recoil impulse both forward aft simultaneously doing our acoustic data while doing kinematics which is high speed video the technology has gotten better and better so we can truly understand what is happening at a system and a shooter level when you're shooting suppressed and suppressed that's awesome i want to come and play with something else toys that sounds really fun so jeff williams i mean with the drive up man jeff asked a good question he wants to know the tuning of the ports can you cover that like how do you go about doing it if you wanted to tune i think we got that one already okay so well i'll go into how i tune ports um so i get on a bench i don't do this prone i try to get as vertical as i possibly can rear bag bipod i'm going to put a target at 300 yards i'm going to get into the gun i'll touch the butt pad to my shoulder and i'm gonna back it off so i'm gonna shoot it kind of freeish and i'm gonna break a shot and i'm gonna measure in my reticle how much of the where the where it went uh from that target so if i'm centered and i break the shot and it tracks two mils up but you know two mils left okay cool i know i need to pay attention to that side so i'm going to start working on that side of movement closing off port so it's over driving the opposite and then for me i don't care so much about um you know i'll get a little bit more vertical to get rid of all of my left and right because i know my data is pretty good on my guns but wind is always my personal downfall so i want the gun to be as stable left and right when i break the shot uh for me personally um so i'm gonna sit there and i'm gonna tune the left and right out the benefit as i'm tuning the bottom i'm going to start reducing my vertical as well there is a point of diminishing returns where you're going to hit by closing off more ports than you have open that you know if i close up all the way to here this gun is going to do the most violent snap down you have ever seen and that's because instead of 100 being sent 360 you now just have it being sent out of three ports you're not losing that percentage you're overdriving those three instead of having 100 come out of 10 if that makes sense so i'll sit there and i'm just basically going to free recoil and i'm just going to measure my reticle how much and where it moved from the center of that target and that's how i tune it and again spend time with it because when i demo this to a lot of people i'm going to have you shoot on a bench for a while and we'll sit there and we'll close them off and you're like okay that's perfect cool you'll shoot a few more and then i'll take you to a barricade and that's when you see it come together as an entire system um where you see the concussion that doesn't affect you it sees you know the same minimal movement that you would get on a break um the same style that you would shoot as a brick or as a break and when it all comes together in that beautiful ballet of perfection that's when you get the aha movement of like now i see what all this is about all right sorry i'm back um so you guys are huge supporters of the prs uh why did you guys choose to do this and what benefits are you seeing out of it uh so kgm uh unlike a lot of other companies um we're all shooters i mean at a variety of different levels from executive to mid-level where i'm at to uh you know our production guys i mean we've got hunters we've got elr shooters uh everything um so cute the second amendment but really the shooting sports is huge for us um i love precision rifle i love the prs i truly believe that it is the most perfect uh league that we have built by imperfect people because we're all imperfect and we wanted to give back uh we wanted to show our customers and our future potential customers that you know we believe in our products we believe in the sport we believe that we can make a difference in a variety of different levels uh so how come you know we're going to invest in this um i will also tell you that being a sponsor you get out of it what you put into it um companies guys like jason from federal uh nick from leupold uh anybody there that comes and shoots matches is going to get the most roi out of being a sponsor if you think just you know put your name on a board yep it's cool people see it it's in photos but you get nothing back personally like i can't sit there and show you how great i think my can is and selling suppressors like selling lamborghinis the sales and the test drive being able to be out there experiencing them hearing them watching them is what makes the difference showing people that there is another way to shoot being able to control our brand image and and try to represent uh my company and myself the best way i possibly can so we will continue to support the prs but you will continually see us at events uh we did a lot this year we'll probably do more next year but that's uh to get more out west and to bring that out there because at the end of the day like i said i'd love you to buy ours but if i could just get people shooting suppressed life becomes a whole lot better for a lot of people yeah i i agree with that and you know not only that but just like for us shooters to develop a relationship with somebody from a company you know the people we see at all the matches like if i have to go and you know i we were talking about this earlier i used tom fuller as an example pretty much every match i shoot tom's there tom's taking care of us and if i have to buy a bag i'm going to go to tom for that and then with me being the you know the shooting guy and everybody knows i'm the shooting guy if someone comes to me and says hey greg i need to buy a rear bag i'm going to say cool yeah go to armageddongear.com

order anything great stuff and so that helps out yeah i mean and i'll be honest it i get to learn stuff as well like um i nobody at our company claims to know everything i mean i learn things all the time from a lot of people and being out there with uh with my friends and making new friends because precision rifle is one of the most welcoming communities you'll ever ever find i can learn things like well maybe i didn't we didn't think of that when we were designing this product let's take into account um you know those are huge huge benefits so yeah we'll uh we'll continue to do it um and we're happy to do it and it's also the difference between uh i'll use a car reference a used car salesman and a car guy like you know a guy who's there because he's passionate about it he loves everything there and you also know the guy that's just there because it's a job and it's not for for us for us it is truly important on a personal level uh not only for our company but for ourselves to be involved and be experts at the things that we claim to be experts at so sean asked i know we talked about a little bit earlier what's the outlook on transfer times so once this thing happens and everything calms down you'll probably be in the 90 to 120 days i think is the what i've been told and he said the secret thing is happening it's out there you can absolutely go online and search atf form fours and they made an announcement and just it's coming soon and uh it's honestly it's gonna be great for suppressor companies because you know we'll sell a lot more but it's going to be great for the community because there'll be more suppressors out in the world you know how many ranges now are getting shut down because of noise complaints from neighborhoods that moved in after the ranges were built i moved in next to a gun range and now i hear gunshots so if people are shooting suppressed what's the argument and it destigmatizes something that's basically a muffler like everybody thinks it's you know like machine guns they're assassin stuff it's like no it's not it's not like you hear in the movies it just makes the entire experience more enjoyable and yeah you know i hunt suppressed uh i shoot 22s suppressed you know anytime it's a gun going off i'm i'm running a can because i enjoy it i can take my wife out and shoot um you know it just take kids out it women and children are probably the two that get the biggest benefit you know every time i go out and you know taking a nephew or taking a friend's kid or you know my wife or one of her friends you know you first shot that goes off and they're like whoa and i'm like that's the worst it'll ever be it's not like you thought it would be like i like this and you now can convert people that were either afraid or had some kind of preconceived notion about what the experience was or is and throw it out the window and totally change it that's a new saturday and somebody came in with their kids and i was laying down prone and i shot the first round and then they went and asked me yeah i mean i'll be honest i i don't like shooting around i hate zero day on train up like i absolutely um i absolutely 100 percent will go as early as i can so that way i can avoid everybody shooting brakes 100. there's a picture somewhere of a couple of marines laying next to jen in a train-up day like this yeah oh yeah 100 i can't help but when the train update was during the match okay sorry i might do this how awful is that when you have to shoot in a pipe with a little break it's [ __ ] terrible especially when your ears fall off and you just dosed yourself with 170 db right to the skull huh exactly what other labs we got uh let's go back over to lives um we kind of covered this earlier um jeff jeff asked about the changes in muzzle velocities with suppressors versus some other ones um again it just it depends on some i can only speak from authority on hours um i've never seen it i've never seen a change in velocity i've never seen a change in zero uh i mean i've shot with buddies that we took a can off their 308 went out to 1046 and stacked him right in the water line shot over chrono no change in speed uh there are some cans that will produce suppressor boost and like i said earlier it's bullet going through the aperture catching a pocket of pressure and it's uh like i said it's like a slingshot it's going to add 30 or 40 feet per second which is going to change where your point of impact is which is going to change your data you know if you're running a 105 hybrid at 28 25 we'll say and now put a can on it that probably weighs it you know a significant amount that's going to change poi but then you add that extra 40 feet per second it's going to change that data because of our cans being so light for them being so straight and the fact that they evacuate pressure while reducing recoil we don't see those detriments what else we got anything else live i believe my lives are frozen for the moment again let me refresh all right well while you're looking at that so adam what upcoming matches or projects or goals do you have both for you and for kgm uh so match wise uh obviously alabama this weekend uh and then i believe i'll probably shoot the cool acres one day and probably altus and i think the last one for me will be a g cup um i don't ha i will probably attend the finale just for like the last day i have no interest in shooting in december in new mexico at 7000 foot elevation i just it doesn't particularly sound that fun not when i can use that same time to go hunting and do other things that are fulfilling in my life uh goals for me is just continue to work with the amazing people that i work with every single day at work the people that it's kind of crap to calm clients when they're friends answering their requests and their needs and providing them with the solutions that they're looking for um just trying to continue to do that every single day and and push the boundaries of you know what suppressors can do and you know what it's going to be today will probably be a lot different in the year from now probably two years from now as well like everybody's pushing the bar constantly advancing um the the government the mill i mean ellie they're all getting smarter they're all seeing the benefits of suppressors um and i love that i mean the harder questions they ask us the the harder we work and the better we get so that i guess that's i guess that's the most direct answer in a long way i could give you sounds good yeah any more lives greg uh let's see anthony for those of you who know who that guy is who is that i'm not sure some guy named anthony crew ass he said adam you work for a lot of big name companies and he's convinced that the lw rc ars are the best in the business what are your thoughts on that um so i like carbines there's a lot of great manufacturers out there to say anyone is better than the other um it's a favoritism game at this point i mean you've got companies uh knight's armament hodge defense uh lmt noveski lwrc hk daniel defense i own guns from all of them and they all have their pluses and they all have their minuses i don't think one is better than the other um i own a lot of mine because of either because of the personal relationships i have with people there or the companies um it just it really comes down to what you're looking at it's like you know if i want a hyper accurate uh competition gas gun i'm gonna call sergeant arm and build me a 6 gt gasser if i want a combat proven reliable 762 gun i'm gonna buy a nice sr25 if i want a a modular uh 556 gun i have an lmt mws or sorry whatever mws their large frame but i have a it's actually right there the 10.5 inch um i want a piston gun lwrc i think they're one of the finer ones made uh dd mark 18. they're just there's too many good ones there's really nobody that in that tier of product and caliber of company they make a bad gun so i guess that's that's probably super politically correct but it's the truth at the end of the day you just got to figure out what your needs are what you like and what fits your budget some guns are built to be heirlooms that'll last forever some guns are meant to be high horsepower race cars that you don't get a couple runs out of it and it's time to rebuild wi

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