Will $10 million movie budgets be the new normal? Plus Manus AI & Mac Studio Ultra Upgrades

in this episode of the Deno podcast we're going to recap the Oscars and talk about the big win for indie film introducing Manis another AI agent and we're going to talk about the updates to the Mac Studio let's get into [Music] it welcome we're back we're back even though we have been publishing episodes but as we noted we did pre-record them and that's also why we weren't able to talk about the Oscars because they hadn't happened yet such a bummer because I would have love to talk about the Oscars right after but here we are I know overall the Oscar show itself I felt like Conan was a great host I really enjoyed watching him I am someone who's like a mid Conan person not like there's a lot of people who are like I'm Die Hard Conan fan me oh you're a die con fan I'm like not a Die Hard con fan but I thought he did a great job posting really enjoyed it yeah I mean he like having fun it was like nice to see him just having loose tons of great dad like cringey funny dad jokes but he somehow pulls them off what's the big joke Cinema streams Cinema streams yeah so that's actually one of the takeaways too where I felt like it was a unexpected big night for uh movie theater cinema streams his his great sketch to uh concept right yeah can you explain the concept we play the movie it's a it was like an SNL fake commercial that was uh basically advertising as an ad as if it was a new streaming service what if the cinema is in the Box what if we taped 6,000 iPhones together into one big screen love it but how do you play the movie we play it for you see only somebody like Conan could really deliver that with the seriousness and with the comedy yeah that was a big push for like go back to movie theaters but then also Sean Baker are probably the the biggest winner of the night four time Academy Award winner the only other person to do that since Walt Disney which is crazy really the single person to win four Academy Awards in a single night in in a single night that's last person was Walt Disney yeah Shan Baker who won for Best Picture Anora Best Director best screenwriter best editor for a $6 million movie Joey we are living in the future my friend yeah so let's talk about big night for indie film so Anora won pretty much swept for most of the awards $6 million budget shot on film punched way above its weight did a phenomenal job it did recently come out though they did spend about $18 million promoting the film or for the Oscar campaign and the marketing budget but still even after I just saw now after the Oscar bump they I brought in I don't know another 6 or 7 million in theaters just from the huge awareness of like this movie winning everything and then people being like what is this movie I don't know if you remember when we did the pre-oscar prediction episode I did sayora had the chance because it was pointing into the future of Hollywood sort of smaller nimbler budget young filmmaker very distinct Creative Vision but what I didn't say was three times the marketing budget yeah I mean so it did have a big marketing budget but you could argue argue that I mean they only put the money in there once they realized like it was gaining traction and that they had something there like I don't know what what CH point they decided to start pushing all the money into it I feel like it was uh strategy from the get-go it's just like how do we flip the model upside on its head uh I mean the Legacy way to do it would be to put all of it into production and then whatever remains into distribution marketing and whatnot but traditionally I mean even with bigger films it's usually like isn't roughly like half is going to your production budget half is going to your marketing budget sure yeah yeah but so 50/50 but not not like three well but I mean also the numbers are kind of worp because it's such a small budget to make this film $6 million is pretty low but yeah I mean the interesting thing that stood out to is I mean he did this for6 million but then I I kind of forgot but one of his earlier films was Tangerine which came out in 2015 and that was notable because it was like the first kind of feature film that distribution that was shot on the iPhone I think it was the 5S he's no stranger to using cheap gear to make 100,000 that was like a key case of just like a story that like no studio is really going to touch and pick up and made this kind of really energetic entertaining film with the iPhone and I think that to tie this into AI I feel like that ties into it's doable to do these lowbudget films but they're contemporary you know they take place on location they you know are contemporary stories taking the AI to the next thing it's like what if you do these movies at the same budget but then start doing genre films like you never see genre films a Sci-Fi a western million that's the next leap where it's like okay we can go beyond doing a contemporary film and start doing genre films at lower budgets I think that's right around the corner if you think about it if you don't replace the human performer but just augment with VFX and aih I don't see why it couldn't be possible with today's AI technology yeah or where it's going to be if you start a production today where the AI is going to be by the time you finish in 6 Months 8 months from now going to be way better anyway just P additions everything just keep waiting for new stuff to drop like that Sol the problem I was looking for exactly other huge winner uh flow animated film uh one for lvia and $3.7 million budget all made in blender they thanked blender in their speech amazing the software mentioned in the uh in the in the thank you speeches and yeah another film example of relatively low budget I mean compared to Wild robot and Inside Out 2 who were kind of the two favorites but also I don't know the budget off hand but over $100 million each while robot was I think under 10087 for production but you know this this happen so much yeah I remember working on DreamWorks and being upset every time an Oscar would get nabbed from the big two or big three by an independent maker like out of all of the categories I think animation stands to be the one that has the most reach into an independent filmmaker yeah because you could take a tool that is accessible like blender and make something at that quality studio quality and do it for with a small enough team cuz if you think about it it's only 90 minutes of animated content it it is doable yeah and so I mean they did it I don't remember I mean small team I don't remember how small it was but $3.7 million budget I believe 20 people 20 yeah so that's crazy small it did take them about 5 years to make it between script funding producing it buying Nvidia gpus for rendering yeah I mean so they did also they use are you familiar with Eevee a little bit yeah okay so that can you explain what it is yeah Eevee is a a built-in renderer within blender and it gives you a pretty close to real time it has a great D noiser on it um I think it's used a lot for 2D animation rather than 3D animation cuz it has stylized looks and stuff to it they achieved the look that they wanted without spending anything really on the tools having I mean I think they're running this on their own computers it wasn't like that a massive server Farm like Pixar does incredible yeah and yeah I me that's also just to show the power of the power of the tool and the power of like how far the hardware has come too yeah and this to me this is like the uh Blair Witch Project moment a little bit where a small team with very limited budget very limited resource can just come in and just compete with the big guys story good Artistry that's it yeah to expand upon this for the AI future it did take them five years it took them $4 million I mean I see this as I I remember I've seen some tweets where it's like look we don't need AI we have we could do this and it's like no you could do this with the same Talent the same creative people behind it but for a million dollars and in a year or two and cut down the budget cut down the time do it faster do it for less money but not take away anything from the Artistry or the creativity that goes into making this film AI has the biggest uh potential to impact feature animation more than any other genre and we're probably see that IMM it's the first one to the only thing holding back I think uh the Oscars next year is the AI Clauses and all of the disclose right and we're still even sure discl disqualifies not or just have discl it people beware and what still still up so does it mean if you tell the academy that you used AI in your project are you still qualified at that point and they just put a little asterisk on a project who knows yeah so just info for like the voting members to be aware of and speaking of AI and one of our earlier talks the brutalist and Adrian birdie and reeeer he did win for best actor so the a welld deserved re feature yeah I mean it was great regardless of what you thought about act three the performance throughout the film was just top-notch by Adrien broy yeah for someone who could uh hold my attention for three hours I think that uh you deserve the Academy Award and the um yeah the resp speecher thing never took away from any of that I mean he's so convincing at being llo like it didn't feel like an actor was portraying llo it felt like that really is this guy from the 1960s mhm yeah it's so crazy to me too cuz it's like if they the traditional route and brought in a voice actor to read the letter in Hungarian no one would bad an eye be like yeah that's a part of the movie process and it's like okay well they took it a step further and used his actual voice and performance then used a tool to help carve it but keep his original voice and performance which seems more authentic than if you were to ADR this with another actor yeah and no one would like I agree B an eye at that so uh yeah worthy performance um maybe not the greatest uh acceptance speech oh I did not see that did not did you not see anything about it no he took the record for the uh longest acceptance speech ever even with the music playing off he had the power to have them stop playing oh I mean he's no stranger to memorable access speeches it is memorable but not for the remember the H Barry won what did she say no no when uh he uh oh when he won the first time yeah remember and I think hi Berry was presenting and he made out with her on stage you don't remember that yeah no he had like rambling um speech but it didn't really say anything and it was just kind of a list off of people and then he got more time and then it was like he didn't really know what to do with the extra time that he got oh so yeah somehow broke the award for longest speech and was also not the the most memorable but for the wrong reasons but yeah I'm still happy you won the best actor I thought that was deserved well deserved yeah unexpected theme which we talked about before say the movie theater cinema streams but then also uh Shan Baker in his in his third acceptance speech when he won his third award which I also appreciated that he um had a third speech prepared and it was more of a plea for like go to the movies like go to see movies in the movie theaters great so I'm glad I took advantage of um winning the awards to like I already thanked everyone now let me like use this platform to like push additional things yeah I think that needed to be said yeah yeah and I've been trying to go back to the movie theaters more often okay our we did make some predictions on a few categories and so uh let's tally it up so our first prediction we had best visual effects you predicted Dune part two I said Kingdom of Planet of the Apes June part two won congratulations Oh yay best cinematography we both predicted uh Dune part two the brutalist won no worries Greg Frasier will win uh sooner or later yeah but also not when I'm not UPS like the brutalist equally they're all great films equally deserving remember what I said the reason Dune won uh or would have won is because it's such a trans setting VFX movie like all the other VFX movies want to replicate the Dune look because of the way they just made VFX disappear and best picture I picked Anora you picked the brutalist and a nor one of course yes so Tai one one uh we have a tie so yeah we should have predicted on uh two other categories obviously feature animated film and then best International feature that's also a really exciting category for me animated feature I would I would have picked wild robot yeah it felt like that was going to be I love that film I know yeah but I also I've not seen Flo and I want to see Flo now D I don't think I don't think I saw any of the uh the best International the foreign uh films did you see any of them no I I'm wondering who won yeah the best one the best foreign language film that one was I'm still here it was also nominated for best picture too but it was the best International feature film oh Flo was nominated for international feature as well yes yeah okay and girl with the needle Emelia Perez so Zoe sold down out one for best supporting actress yeah it was a good show I mean it was a bit of a weird year there wasn't like a huge front runner like and big budget Runway film like Oppenheimer last year but I feel like yeah big KN for new film and indicator of a trend of like you could do a lot with a small film also uh somebody pointed out on X that this is the first year where he had the most number of independently financed features is that true yeah six major above thee line categories so well I mean it does like help that half of them from Sean Baker um director best film best actor I don't remember the actor and supporting actors off hand oh yeah I mean um K yes um for uh that one movie in yeah with Jesse Eisenberg directed all of those one international feature documentary feature and animated feature all independent I mean if this isn't writing on the wall I don't know what is right like the current Hollywood model is just not working yeah and also not making the films that are getting nominated for best picture because they're too busy making sequels Marvel films Star Wars films yeah the B the money's going there did you see there was some Buzz going around about Michael Bay uh where he came out and said you can't get funing anymore you can't get anything green lit anymore yeah you combine that sentiment with the fact that so many Independent films are winning Oscars and not the established Studios like clearly there is a big need for a reset on how films get green L and funded in the first place yeah and you have these smaller Studios like neon or a24 that are putting these original things out there and doing it for a smaller budget it's like we're lacking the mirror Max the Focus Features the Sony classics that sort of dominated this 10 20 years ago the sphere of like I mean these are relatively low budget films but like we don't really have those like 20 to $50 million budget films that you know are still way less in a Marvel film but could break out into yeah think Kei Sam said it the best when he was on the podcast you know he said something about the middle is completely hollowed out so you have movies that are under 10 million that are completely funded by you know self- financed or whatever and then you don't even have a 10 to 90 million Market anymore is just 100 million plus right so that's got to be some established IP or something exactly like they're not taking chances on and he said it the best he was like at that price range it's vote by committee everything is vote by committee and when you make a film that's supposed to be a very distinct piece of art with a very distinct uh voice uh texture feel you can't vote by committee to make that film it just has to be made by somebody who has the vision yeah and so you're not going to see $100 million plus movies that are artistic that are different cuz it's uh unless I mean there's only two people that come to mind who could command that budget and full control Christopher Nolan John favro maybe maybe John favro and James Cameron yeah they and they're almost grandfathered in a little bit because the studios are just like okay give them the money and then just let them freeberg he can still play whatever he wants but for the the rest of the ecosystem at that price range yeah it's kind of it needs a recalibration or AI oh yeah no I mean I want to keep bringing it back to it but I feel like this is like the first step of the indicator of like okay well if the budgets if like in order to get $100 million plus budget even if you're Michael Bay and you can't get a budget like that yeah the alternative is like okay well how can we do the crazy cool stuff that we're used to doing but do it for Less breathe on this a little bit you've been bringing this up as we were talking about the Oscars what is your opinion on the future of film making and AI and L budget tie those three things together making genre films or just making kind of more visually interesting films that would beat cost prohibitive at the whatever $500,000 to $5 million range and you do you think that the AI technology of today is already there it's getting there it's like I think if if you're trying to do something that's straight up animated or like go lean into animation I think you could definitely do pull off something like that today like a flow comb a flow right I'm not saying and again this goes back to my whole thing where it's like we need to have better language around AI I'm not saying like let me go type into a Sor prompt and spit out a film I'm saying I don't think it's there use Artistry to create like we're talking about before the in betweeners like make the like characters make the shots use like a combo of traditional like artists who are driving this but doing it for Less yeah it's like the equivalent of Promise Studios like somebody like that that understands how to build a pipeline stringing a bunch of AI tools together to get to the end result but it's not text to image text to video into an Oscar submission yeah there one of the more promise we've talked about another one that we'll talk about in the future but staircase Studios came out with an article or announcement where they're um acquiring a bunch of scripts optioning scripts kind of going it's a studio AI focused Studio but founded by traditional Hollywood Executives and going the like sticking with the unions like optioning scripts based on like wga rates Hing actors for voices I believe but producing these films for like million $500,000 and trying to just take films that no one else was picking up right and that were too cost prohibitive to do traditionally yeah and use they're saying they're saying that like a proprietary AI pipeline I mean there's no shortage of good ideas and good scripts out there and it's just hard like you know especially if it was a genre script or it has like bfx or you know it's not like it like something that you could shoot on a beach or in a room or in a building it's all the stuff the development teams at Netflix Amazon Disney wherever uh have sat on for years and is just piled piles of scripts that are just not feasible with a traditional pipeline yeah and that's also why there was the whole Blacklist thing that exists like the system of uh scripts that you know people were like a this a great script but like no one picked it up and produced it0 milon unproduced scripts yeah right oh amazing so maybe we should do a spotlight on staircase yeah so I think we'll talk about in the future too but I think that see stuff like that pop up recently and then seeing what happened in the Academy Awards I'm like see like it just feels like okay this is like step one step two like like where things are going smaller budgets and being able to pull off more with AI and still keep people and artisans in the pipeline it's just a different workflow and a different tool set okay next story uh another new AI startup that has been kind of blowing up the web a bit Manis a another company from a Chinese startup called Monica they're calling it the first general AI agent and this is continuing the trend of agentic AI that kind of kicked off the year with the Nvidia keynote is it going to take over my computer and just do things for me not yet so basically it looks like a very good turbocharged version of things we've talked about in the past like chat GPT operator chat GPT deep research still currently looks like it is a Sandbox version where you give it a prompt of like the thing you want it to do but it apparently does it way better like it'll go across the web it's still a Sandbox version of like it's not controlling your computer it's in a sandbox like computer on the web got it but as far as doing like I've seen examples of I've seen a lot of programming and gaming examples but I've seen other examples of um ball posted a good video breaking out some things tried out where it was like I needed to find a good spot of like drone operating locations in Austin and it like first it builds out a checklist of what it needs to do and then it starts running through the checklist and it's like looking at Maps looking at FAA like flight charts what's cleared um yeah like going to Google maps and looking up like visuals and just doing a bunch of like a bunch of tasks but way better than chat BT way better than chat GPT yeah apparently it's been way better than chat GPT operator people said it looks like so we also this came up recently too but chat gbt announced that they might be launching a uh $20,000 a month membership wait wait the whole point of AI is to save money I mean if you're paying someone 100,000 a month uh for whatever this thing can do and it's 20,000 I don't know I guess maybe that's how they they do the math yeah that part was a little fuz it seems like it was cured very much towards like high-end research or medical research or whatever this agent was that they were going to launch but people are saying oh Manis is basically that but there no there's no pricing yet not $20,000 but it it's kind of like the high Beast AI model right tell me a little bit about the uh the weight list and what's going on so so right now it is like uh you have to have an access code it's like early beta and apparently some people are reselling there's such a demand for it that people are reselling their codes for thousands of dollars that's like rare Jordans I'm in I you know anything with scarcity that really just like what if you like join the weight list and then you don't get in and then you like pay a th000 bucks for someone's code and then the next day you get the invite code from them like oh hey we're giv you access now and you're like I just spend thousand bucks for nothing I I feel like the people who are uh spending money on the access codes have disposable income I think they do yeah if you you're a very early adopter who was going toh throw a bunch of money at this yeah it feels like another big I mean leap of their website's really well thought out a lot of things coming together yeah and doing like another big step of like oh this is like doing kind of crazy useful stuff yeah with minimal input the AI companies know that people want substance and people want value and yeah the hype cycle is only going to give them so much momentum so this is a good indication as to the near future of how AI will impact a lot of people's lives yeah and I think it's going to get wild once this stuff can start just doing things on your computer you know like when it can control resolve or photoshop or actually do things in the tools that we use and be like oh hey go hag these clips or go make a string out Moment of Truth will be you know somebody like you or me who hire uh Freelancers on Fiverr up work time to time MH can we do couple of things with Manis that maybe a Fiverr Talon would be able to do and if it's a little bit less money can we have five or six Manis accounts and Are we more productive yeah possibly it also depends on the task I mean um yeah I've done things with like oh I need to like kind of scrape a bunch of data that I I'm not like a data scraper and it's like yeah like get something on Fiverr but I think AI That's L be like one of the first things where you can just tell an AI and like oh go to this website and like create a database you know with all this data that I need from here for research and it'll go off and do that yeah and to me like a lot of the use cases they feel like very much uh number crunching data crunching kind of like deep research territory M but there is nothing that is creative driven so I'll give an example you know when we made the show and we were going back and forth on the the title screen and the title animation stuff yeah like we knew what we wanted and we could list it out but there is no such agent that can take the helm and give us 10 or 15 different versions of it no like a video animation kind of thing yeah no yeah we're not there yet so uh I I think for now a lot of creative Industries can kind of just breathe a little bit because nobody's coming for those jobs no and it's like I mean as we talked about before I think in a lot of cases it's like good enough for some people like yes there are ways where you could maybe go to a store or something and be like oh give me an animated title it says the nois and it'll probably give you something a handful of people that would probably be like good enough yeah not us not good enough for us but uh yeah or the in between or exercise that we kind of talked about too where it's like well you know if you have a graphic designer but uh they can't they're not an animator but they can design you know start first frame last frame yeah and then we you know use uh AI to animate that yep what was the solution you sent me the other day that has the first frame last frame which one that was another Pika update okay we didn't cover that Pika update cuz I think it came out literally after republish the episode but they've been on a roll but they published another update that was their version of you can give it first frame last frame which that's not new I mean cling Runway a bunch of these um video generator tools have that where you give it an image of the first frame of the last frame and it makes the video and the demos that I saw looked pretty good especially if you were like trying to do some cool kind of like if your first frame and last frame are completely different and you're trying to do some kind of cool like transition effect their outputs looked uh really cool so I wanted to mess around with it a bit Yeah it feels like it's ready for all the hip-hop music videos um sure that's we're going to see a lot of that all all the music videos awesome yeah so man I'm curious to see more of uh yeah just where this goes and once it can start doing computer stuff but I'm also curious about the pricing because I remember when I messed around with Claude uh computer control which you could only run through their API it was expensive it was like a dollar or $2 like a minute running like on the computer so I don't know what because it's like a AWS or whatever hosted computer of VM I mean that in itself is expensive I mean CU in that case I think it's like you know taking a screenshot of the computer screen and like figuring out what it's looking at and then controlling you know it's probably 10 computers 10 VMS running underneath with one computer being the one you access like it probably is very compute intensive I maybe that's why they they haven't rolled it out prime time I mean this stuff's only going to get cheaper cheaper and eventually just run it on on your own computer going back to what you said this is a Chinese manufacturer yes a Chinese company so yeah I've seen people compare this to another kind of deep seek moment sure I don't know if it's as big as deep seek but it's definitely it's another Chinese company that built like one of the most useful looking General AI agents that can access a buch deep moment will come when they launch the price and we compare that to open a yeah and then also see does open AI $20,000 a month plan suddenly Dro down to oh we're going to give it to you with Pro like because there's such this like competition going on between all the different companies of what they're offering and one is like we're going to offer this super top level thing the other one's like we'll give it to you for free and then the other one's like well we'll drastically drop our price then yeah I mean I don't understand how well tied these Chinese companies are to the state uh a lot of things in China happen to have very deep ties into the government and they get funding and all types of ways that is not quote unquote funding and they don't really have a prerogative to make any money uh in a lot of cases right just like get the adoption out there and get get the adoption land grab do it before the Americans so there is some geopolitical stuff happening under the hood I'm sure yeah I would not be surprised but yeah I mean you saw the website very slick much more user friendly if you can get access to it um than like a deepseeker you had to kind of be a bit more technically minded to like launch the model yourself yep yeah so yeah we'll see where that goes and then also speaking of computers and things that can run you got got a hardware update Apple announced new updates to the Mac Studio which I believe hasn't really updated since they introduced it in 2022 so now they've got new versions that will run the M4 Max chip and the M3 Ultra trip which actually M3 Ultra I believe is more powerful than the M4 Max oh oh wow even though the numbers are counter I think it's like not a low power version like the M3 m4s uh generally go into Max and they are designed to run on batteries like for these for these uh ex bad boys right here form factor wise it looks like a chunky taller brother of the Mac Mini so still kind of small kind of manageable oh the studio yeah yeah the studios are great yeah yeah everything that I could tell from the outside of the studio is the same it's be your chips and then you could Max it out with up to 512 GB of unified memory that's insane which bumps the price up to 14,000 the starting price is 2,000 for an M4 Max model with the base specs you 14,000 it wasn't like um from aesthetic and design standpoint it doesn't have the skateboard wheels and the chees grader none of that no this is not new it's not new have you seen the Mac Studio before uh yeah a couple years ago right yeah yeah the body yeah it looks like they stretched out a Mac Mini yeah I think that they could have made it a little bit more unique in design oh the design yeah I mean it's yeah designed to be a desktop kind of Appliance box kind of thing yeah yeah do you have do you run with these I have not used them though okay you're a Windows guy no Mac Mac MacBook Mac all I tried to Max this this MacBook out for for that yeah if I was going to get something else now I mean we're not doing most of the stuff it's like editing and doesn't need that much heavy processing so I would like get the new Mac Mini although the Mac silicons do run editing stuff really well right the M chips have been way better than uh any of the Intel versions right like it all just runs like smoother my only caveat here is that we are in a world where a lot of localized AI stuff is happening and without a Cuda without Nvidia like how do you take advantage of any so I'd be curious like will these pair with the digit boxes the the Nvidia computers that are that are coming out I don't know May June whenever they they didn't really announce a date but yeah that they talked about at at um I have not seen any Apple Nvidia Partnerships uh on the on the horizon so I don't think so no now if you had the tower you could put an Nvidia chip in it right well but architecture built to like actually take advantage of it or are you still kind of like you really should get a PC if you're going the Nvidia route yeah I think uh the 99% of the researchers and people that are actually developing AI are on windows boxes with the Nvidia gpus so it's not that right this is a consumer facing product that's meant to be super ultra packaged easy to use you don't have to think about the hardware and so on yeah I mean you know it depends what you're doing like we're doing just like editing not doing a bunch of heavy process like Graphics um these things are great for that uh the other day I just uh put my comfy UI workflow together to run one 2.1 locally oh oh yeah the Chinese video model yeah the Chinese video model and I have a a couple of generation older RTX 3090 I believe and uh you can get a video done in like five minutes yeah not bad no I have a souped up Dell that I'm borrowing and it has a Nvidia card okay uh I don't remember the specifics but it's a it's a it's a beefy Nvidia card and resolve does have some nice features where it will if you have an Nvidia card you can change options and it will specifically take advantage of the card to run some of its neural engine stuff um and also for uh rendering and so we did have a project that had a lot of like Fusion graphics and stuff and on our computers it was when we were trying to export it was saying like 12 hours and then we put it on this computer and turned on the Nvidia processing and uh 60 seconds no way it just like crank through it so that was like oh manv card is awesome yeah and everyone who uses them forever is probably like looking at my story and be like you're an idiot like of course these cards are so good that's why we all use them that's why the world is running on them yeah that's why they're a three trillion dollar company yeah but yeah good to see the update on this on the studio yeah I mean also I'm curious to see what's going to come out next they've had a new uh MacBook a update so like they're even like thinner more powerful like these things are crazy thin but these are the kind of updates where like they they didn't even bother with a keynote or a presentation for these these are like they posted these updates on like as PR reles and like as like on Twitter so I'm curious to see like what's coming next yeah I mean you got to realize like conference or something before that yeah apple is up against Dell HP Lenovo and all these like really well suited uh very capable Hardware manufacturers they got to up their game year by year quarter by quarter they cannot sleep on Hardware no by I think their game is good I mean I don't know people people like oh there should have been more or more updates but it's like I don't know what like the Mac Mini got even smaller it's $600 for the base model that thing you could pretty much run most use cases on that unless you're doing like crazy high-end stuff but phenomenal little mini computer for the Tiny Box it's in um the air now is like I think it's as thin as like our monitors right here the Entire Computer yeah and super powerful crazy battery life like crazy thin crazy how I mean how much better can it get and it keeps getting better right what else can you do with these like I mean that's the problem it's like yes the the the leaps to do better things it's like yeah what else is there also uh you think about silicon technology and how much time and effort it takes and how much money it takes to develop a new chip year after year they go from the M2 M2 M4 um you know you're looking at 18mon 2year cycles that they somehow figure out in 6 months and they manufacture brand new Wafers yeah like that's insane the thing they have been struggling on though and we probably talk about this in the future is their Ai and their apple intelligence and that got delayed we touched on this a little bit yeah and they just announced that they were delaying it and the full release until either next year or 2027 yeah yeah so we talk about that more in the future but I mean they they kind of suckered me into buying the iPhone 16 Pro for the AI featur Apple intelligence and uh when I got it it didn't have it loaded and then I think 3 or 4 months later it was a feature to wait list on and then I finally have it and man it I can't seem to get any good usage out of it the thing that summarizes my messages but like yeah is not is not a good summary and then we talked about the mimoji generation yeah also not useful yeah yeah I I saw one good theory that they're trying to get it to the point where like it could run the AI locally on the fil and that the processors need to get up to speed with that and that does sound plausible because it's like is trally not really first anything but when they do come up they want they want to be the best yeah I mean I could see something like Manis being run on an iPhone or something like yeah just like it takes over your phone and does things for you until you and it runs locally cuz that's also like nothing is doing that now it's like yeah anytime you talk to Siri or whatever or any of the AI agents it's like it's got to go to the server you got to figure out what you're saying and come back with the command yeah but once it's at the point where have a real time talking to it processing on the phone it's going be pretty seamless that's probably what they're aiming for you put your phone on do not disturb all the time right so do I and what if the agent can text people for you and say hey uh Joey is not available right now but leave a message just like a nice friendly text let me blow your mind you could you could do this right now there's a if you have a do not disturb profile on there's an option you can set up to if someone texts you to automatically reply why like blah blah blah is like unavailable so maybe apple is so feature Rich that's why they're struggling with nice St feature I mean uh Siri is not that great the bar to make Siri better is U is very low pretty low I think yeah and same thing with Alexa and a lot of these buil-in Alexa's rolling Claude into there they're into an Alexa plus they're integrating Claude that's amazing which yeah that should be pretty good so C to talk about that so Apple had the partnership with open AI I I don't know I mean that was what they announced right but I don't think it ever I think unless you downloaded the beta I don't think they ever fully rolled out open AI integration in his that was what they were like talking about but I don't think that they're not building it from scratch they're just licensing other people's stuff it seem like yeah I mean that as we know of right now I mean I would not be surprised if they're also training something right now they do have trillions of dollars yeah in their little spaceship yeah cool all right well seems like a good wrapping up point we went on a couple tangents of things we should talk about in the future so there's never shortage of uh interesting fascinating topics to talk about in we just needed to catch up and yeah we we've been posting the episodes but we haven't seen each other in a week so there catching up to do yeah uh so for the next time we'll cover staircase Studios uh we'll do a film episode I think that one could be a lot of fun I think this going be good extreme polar let's talk about the AI Movie Studio and so Lord coming together the Polar Opposites you could scan film put it through an AI pipeline print it back on film come on let's talk to to run away about hey you want a film print of your uh of your outputs yeah links and everything we talk about Deno podcast.com thank you for your support

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