has technology reached the point where it's at terminal velocity or has it plateaued in terms of innovation and getting excited about technology we're going to talk about that topic next on today in Tech hi everybody Keith Shaw here for today in Tech we have a guest in studio uh we have uh Jack gold he's the funder founder and principal Analyst at jaygoldad Associates Jack welcome to the show thank you um I'm just really excited so you know because we usually have people on Zoom so this is someone live I can actually look at and talk to glad to be here uh so the reason that I want to talk about kind of the the tech Innovation whether Innovation is dead or alive these days I'm looking back at a lot of numbers you're seeing PC shipments drop over the last couple of quarters uh you're seeing smartphones uh shipments they're just not as exciting um there seems to be in the consumer space and somewhat in the Enterprise space too there's just it's it's just updates of existing equipment and I'm just wondering is is this part of maybe just the economics that are going on uh of of are we in a cycle or have you seen similar things I'm I'm sort of I used to be a real Attack Optimist I mean I used to write the Gadget column for Network world and you know every year and this was from 2000 to 2010 there was always something new and exciting it was a gadget was really cool and then ever since sort of like 2010 there hasn't been much and maybe it's shifted from Hardware to Software and people are more excited about apps and mobile apps or little iterations and so I you know again this is an open-ended question do you feel the same or is it more just that I might just be getting old and crotchety well no that's my job getting old and crotchety but I'll tell you what's going on and my impression of what's going on in the marketplace so we're hitting uh in a lot of things smartphones PCS Etc an innovation curve and The Innovation curve really says that when things are new things change really quickly right they want to update all the time you know I need a new smartphone every year because things really improved as we get down the Innovation curve uh they don't improve very often right your smartphone your two-year-old smartphone's got most of what your current smartphone has okay right current one's good you know Samsung just announced the new galaxies great camera got better night vision um it's got a faster processor for most people it's probably not that big of a deal so people are calling keeping their devices for two three four years five years some in some cases same with PCS a new pc is great yep but does it really give me that much more than I would have otherwise so to some extent you're right uh Again The Innovation curve when we have older component Technologies like like a PC it doesn't change as quickly you can't right right so people are are holding back and especially now in Economic Times when people are worried I'm not going to have a job tomorrow in some cases right they're not going to go out and buy a lot of new technology that said however there are a lot of new things that are coming down the pike that I think are going to be very impressive longer term okay the problem is it takes time right we don't get stuff overnight um we had this little discussion earlier about smartphones and where do they really come from right they started way back when with palm Pilots right and then handspring came along put a radio on it it's not that and the Kyocera smartphone I remember that that was the first one I think they actually called it a smartphone uh actually IBM had one I can't remember the name of it right now and um so and and apple built a a tablet and there's all kinds of stuff along those lines it was mostly experimental yeah it took a while before you know Blackberry came along and then we got the iPhone so that we were really early on the Innovation curve and every iteration really made a big difference that was what 15 years ago or so 20 years ago perhaps um it's harder to innovate when you're already when you're already at a high level yeah getting to the next level right really tough you know it's it's so it that raises two points out you know from this from the Samsung Galaxy they had an event yesterday right um I didn't I wasn't watching the live stream I'm just not into smartphones as much as I used to be I remember every time Apple would come out you'd sit there in your office and watch the three-hour live stream of what they were going to announce and you got really excited about some of the new features but you know I looked at the story that that um I think it's Tom's Hardware Road and there's like seven uh seven Galaxy s23 features that impressed me the most and it was like wow the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 mobile platform like I could care less about a processor 256 gigabytes of Base storage it's like storage really you're excited about storage you know um the smarter nighttime features and the camera it's a bigger camera and then like the the old the last one was the text calling feature called Bixby and it was like oh my you know it's just it just doesn't excite me as it used to but then I was also reminded when you say that as you get higher and higher the you know the big jump in Innovation goes you know a big leaps and then you have small little leaps like the same thing with like computer Graphics in in video games and and uh high def TVs and you know we're at 4K but and then you want to jump to AK but like you can't even see 8K right like so I mean it's a log logarithmic curve right right it's not linear it it's it it falls off the the new Innovations when you get higher and higher right curve take longer or longer actually don't necessarily take longer but have less impact overall than you would have early on right so you know I think that in smartphones too the biggest kind of excitement is around the foldable smartphone and that's that's been out um Samsung has a few right but you know people are now thinking thinking either Apple might do on on an iPad uh Lenovo has done some but like I can I get should I get excited about a foldable screen I really no right well the question is what are you going to do with it and what's the advantage why why would I want it right so foldable screen in a phone is kind of cool if you want something that's small and compact right and it also allows you to have multiple screens open at the same time which for a lot of people is is a good thing yeah but for the general purpose user and the normal you know run-of-the-mill consumer it's it's cool yeah it's something you can show your friends but you know you're going to spend an extra 30 or 40 percent over the whatever another another cost over the cost of a regular phone right most people probably aren't going to like I also wrote down a list that I was trying to in my head just trying to think of when was the last time we were excited about either you know new hardware or or software and we we had um the iRobot Roomba 2002 Facebook 2004 Twitter 2006 and those are software that's not really you know uh that's you know that's sort of when social media started but everyone was excited about that you know what the biggest thing was with PCS and this is going back almost 30 years now I think yeah Wi-Fi remember right when the first piece came first PCS came out the remember the Intel commercials the guy was sitting on a park bench saying you know I can work from anywhere because I'm connected that stimulated the market dramatically I'm going to show you how I mean I remember covering the Wi-Fi versus home RF kind of oh my gosh yeah like that was early in my career it's a tech term wasn't that the 1800s it felt like it certainly uh Wireless yeah I loved talking about Wi-Fi and all of generations but now I think we're on was it Wi-Fi six seven yeah say it again and again because again the Wi-Fi in my house works great I've got three kids they're all teenagers they have not they have not with all the streaming they do and all of the stuff they're constantly just on their phones right but they still haven't sort of um congested the network enough where I need to start thinking about upgrading because I think I have a Wi-Fi six but I don't even know which device is on my network now you know I I do have a g and a and sort of separate Network so I do have a 5G 5 gigahertz not 5G the the wireless right um well and and the other issue that that most people encounter when they're looking at you know Wi-Fi five Wi-Fi six Wi-Fi seven do I upgrade is what's my connection coming into the house you know right you can upgrade to Gig speed on Wi-Fi seven but if you've got 100 Meg line coming into the house it's not going to do you that much good right so it's still that bottleneck is your is your wife the speed is broadband yeah no it can handle more devices so if you've got if you're in a house sold where you've got 30 devices because you know your refrigerator is online and all of that kind of stuff then it makes a difference but for for the average user they're probably not going to see that much difference there's a disappointing technology the Internet connected refrigerator that was just that's like landed like a lead balloon right they did are you do you have one no what does it do for me yeah it's same with you know my my daughter asked me a question she needs to go and buy some new laundry equipment right new washer dryer she says I'm looking at this one with Wi-Fi and I said why what is it gonna do so it's gonna it's gonna Buzz your phone when the laundry is done right now that's actually that's an actual cool feature I might like because half the time you're upstairs you know again I I'm upstairs or a laundry machine laundry machines our washers are downstairs yeah and half the time the the I wish that the timing Cycles would be equal and they're not like the washer takes only 20 minutes and the dryer takes an hour and a half right and so you forget about the laundry that's just wet and sitting in the the washing machine yeah I figured as long if I take it out as long as it's not moldy like I'm okay you can just put it in the dryer anyway the best innovation in Washington again this is a weird tangent we're not talking technology at all the coolest Innovation lately is um the the Downy little Beads no not the pots the pods is the for the detergent but now they've but somehow some Geniuses at Procter again we'll figure it out this is how we can get people to buy more laundry things it's these little tiny beads oh you pour them in and it makes your clothes smell so much better um than if you just use the sort of the the the tide pod type thing well but then everyone knows about it you use it when you're walking down the street because it can spell you coming I hey it's so much better than how I smell if I'm not having that stuff um all right getting back to getting back uh again you know there's not much Innovations going on and even the the cool stuff I want to see what you're excited about but arvr right it was supposed to be this thing and you know I tried the Sony stuff I haven't actually tried the The Meta Oculus things I think I may have tried it at a trade show early on um the Sony stuff for the Playstation system uh I have glasses and they've never figured out how to have a good comfortable experience uh with glasses I I the the second version is coming out I don't know if I'm gonna buy it yet Apple everyone was excited about sort of the AR VR thing that they're working on but then like last week or a couple weeks ago they're like we're probably not going to get it out it's it's as fast as people expected do you think that that will spur some Innovation like the are you excited anything about arvr I mean I know that in in the workplace and in factories it you know there's some movement that's where I'm more excited right not not for the normal consumer but for for industry uh medical you know your doctor's operating and he's got a virtual little image of your insights right right in front of them when they're when they're operating on you uh machines you know you were operating on a machine you got to fix it and you're you know the instructions are coming up in front of you uh or you know those are the kinds of immediate kinds of capabilities that AR VR can bring to the table that it makes it advantageous for me to deploy it right if I'm on my Sony do I really care if it's in 3D yeah some people do of course but for me no yeah yeah and they're by the way they're still relatively uncomfortable to wear the big ones right the newer ones where they're more like glass-like with you know the camera in front and you know focused on on the image on on this on your eyeglasses are better but then you don't get the the resolution so did Google blow it with their Google Glass when they did they come out too early with it and then they gave it to all of these sort of bloggers and influencers and uh Robert scoble took a picture of himself in the shower with it and I felt like that killed the whole Google Glass movement yeah or was it just because the hardware was just you know clunky and weird and people didn't it was clunky and weird yeah I mean it was really more an experiment than a regular here's what you should go buy kind of yeah environment right and and and I think that a lot of people got turned off because look in the early days with ar and VR it's still a case uh with with many people you know if you've got any kinds of of brain problems seizures or epilepsy or that kind of stuff and you put those on your real medical risk right right even if you're not uh an epileptic it's a problem so uh I think we have a long way to go before we can prove that these things are really worthwhile what is it going to do for me if I go out and buy one right you know I'm from Old School I'm not I don't go buy stuff unless I think it really will help me right if it's a tool great I love tools I buy all kinds of tools my garage is full of all this Hardware but if it's just because you know the hammer is painted silver instead of black it's like okay how is that a different I think it's it's probably because I'm also getting older and I'm doing more traditional dad stuff I went to Home Depot and got excited about a cordless screwdriver drill thing because the last one that I had was corded right and you'd have to sort of like get an extension cord whenever you were doing stuff and it was like all right this is but then you know you it's wireless I know now it's why really well yeah it still has to charge with a cable it's not wireless charging yet all right I'm going to turn the tables a little bit on on you here um before the show we talked I you know I feel like I'm in that Tech pessimism space and and I brought you sort of on to be sort of The Tech Guy I want you to bring me back to your side like get me excited about some some technologies that that might still be early but down the road will people will start getting excited about well first of all let me say that you know from a pessimist Optimist Viewpoint yeah um you've got to look at time frames so most of the tech that we're talking about now that we we see as you know we've got to have it I mean most people still think they have to have a PC pretty much everyone thinks they have a smartphone takes a decade or more to really develop right to really get to the point where it's indispensable so if we're looking at what's going on right now that may not be you know in our vision but maybe in five or six years or seven years or eight years so what are some of the things that I I think that are really exciting there's a lot of stuff going in uh going on in I guess what I would call generic iot okay but uh it's not iot necessarily in the sense of what we think about right now so think about uh you've got a medical problem and think about uh being able to monitor that medical problem all the time right online and being able to tell your doctor that there's a problem coming what should I do about it without you having to to take any action or think about preventing heart attacks or or at least not necessarily preventing them right but but knowing that there's one coming and being able to call an ambulance for you before you fall down on the on the road those are the kinds of things that are really kind of subtle in the background but are really really going to import going to be important AI is going to have a function in that as well AI by the way is one of these things that you know it's it's like saying uh air right you know there's oxygen there's carbon dioxide there's nitrogen AI is this broad broad field but there are a lot of interesting things going on in that space again it's going to take years it's not it's not literally on and I'm glad you brought up AI because there was you know the whole Chachi PT and some of the art AI stuff that we know we've seen over the last couple of months has been amazing right like from from a Content perspective of creating texts that that that works or asking questions and getting a an actual answer and having a conversation with with an AI um it I mean we're seeing an explosion of uh of sort of use cases and people are throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks and then you know then there's the bad news of like oh this is going to do all evil things like right malware and write better spam emails and and do all this other stuff I that's what I think most people are excited about but it's still software it's still it's not like something it's actually not what I would like to see is if someone put sort of a chat GP Tai into a robot for example and then maybe you could actually have you could start merging those two and the robot could then start having better conversations even if they put it in Alexa I think I mean the Alexa what do I use it for and maybe you use it for more things but I use it to find out what time it is weather and I don't even use it for the weather and and maybe play a song and then set a timer because usually we have kids that are cooking multiple things and we have there's a timer on the on the microwave and if that's being used because you know we get into fights if you turn off the microwave timer so now we have a second timer and I think Alexa can do multiple timers but that's it like you know they're trying to like oh you play Jeopardy and quizzes it's like no no I use it for news what are the what's the headlines right so you know I'm sitting I'm eating lunch and then I said okay I actually use Google but okay um that's fine it's the same thing right likes I have I have one of each so I'm not prejudiced um but I say you know play headline news yeah you know sits there and keeps you entertained for 10 minutes and I know what's going on in the world and then I say okay stop and go but do you think that they're going to integrate sort of that oh yeah so they already have well it's not it's not chat GPT yeah but what it what is what is the real breakthrough with with chat gbt it that's the it's my opinion right it's the natural language processing that they're really up the game on yeah yeah yeah and that's the problem that all of these guys have had for years and years and years I remember talking to IBM almost 30 years ago now saying oh yeah we're going to do this natural language processing you're not going to know what some anybody else and we're gonna we're gonna be able to listen to what you say and convert it to text with 99.99 accuracy right well they never got there right right well that's that yeah what was that program Dragon Naturally Speaking yes yes yeah I think when we got that we had we there's a guy here at work who has a really thick Boston accent and it's like I put the headphones on him and just we just tried to see if they could pick up any of the words correctly and now it wasn't working very well the car yeah yeah all that stuff yeah but what's going on with with any there's two things going on in AI I think that are important number one is it's not just about the software we're doing some fundamental architecture stuff right the algorithms uh the modeling that are are going to improve AI dramatically but the other piece of it is there's a lot going on in Hardware that people don't necessarily see you know nvidia's been doing a lot of stuff with gpus but there are a lot of companies out there that are building AI specific uh chips accelerators for AI yep Nvidia stuff is a little bit more generic right these are really really a lot of startups right really specific for particular models and so it makes it really fast now what are they going to put those chips in great great question so one of the things that is holding back AI uh generically right is that you need a lot of processing power right and so most AI is done on cloud somewhere or you know this big you know you'd fill this room with with racks right right some of these chips are meant to bring AI down to my smartphone or watch my car and that's when it really gets interesting because now you have ai capabilities that you can take with you it's interesting for a few reasons we're on the latencies much less because you're not sending it off to the cloud somewhere secondly the Privacy is enhanced dramatically because you're keeping the the data contained that's one of the problems that we have we haven't talked about security and privacy but that's a huge issue going forward not just an AI but generically right and and the third piece of that is power you know some of these big AI systems take gigawatts not not even megawatts right power right um so it won't do everything that you know a big rack in an AWS will do right but for specific capabilities you know we talked earlier about um knowing if I'm have Cardiac Arrest yeah you can't really do that very well today locally because there's a lot of data that goes that has to be processed but if you have a chip that's smart enough to do that and the chips are getting so small and they're you know we're talking about tens of billions of transistors on these things now you can do an awful lot insurance and it's going to continue so that's where a lot of the Innovation is going to take place it's going to be and you're just invisible and you're going to see it sort of the AI chip then become part of a phone it's still going to or watch something that you wear okay or maybe even embedded maybe you know it's like you know a pacemaker stick it under your skin somewhere I the the uh the interesting part is we don't know yeah or a lot of this place is good A lot of the stuff is going to go does okay so what about um technology so I put a call out for some some people to try to be on the show uh and I got a lot of of quantum Computing yeah responses and like that just makes my head spin and my eyes roll a little bit because again I just don't think people understand what it is or right it just feels like you know whenever I hear Quantum I start thinking um Schrodinger's box in the hall is the cat alive or dead or Quantum Leap which is like you know jumping back into the past Quantum of Solace there's a whole bunch of these movies yeah yeah is it something like is that are we years away from maybe being okay so that's just small little iterations well is there there's no real Tipping Point yet for our for that uh we're probably at least five probably more like 10 years away from something that's I was going to say useful that's not fair but uh scalable okay right there's a lot of quantum stuff going on IBM's doing so everyone's doing Microsoft's doing it Google's doing it AWS is doing playing wrong with Quantum stuff but uh you need literally probably a million what they call qubits yeah um to process anything meaningful and they're probably in the hundreds maybe maybe they've scaled up to a thousand by now but but generically not um and so we're five ten maybe even longer years away from really having scalable now why it's important is there are certain things in Quantum you can do you can model that you can't do very well on a computer yeah including by the way brake security and Brake encryptions which is really scary thing because there's stuff out there that that is not it has encryption they call it quantum safe encryption right that they these things aren't so routers uh your PC uh all the stuff that you know emails all of that kind of stuff uh could get really badly hacked um there was you know you wanted to talk a little bit about Quantum so I'll give you an example uh of the conversation I had with one of the vendors not long ago so Quantum is not real really real today in any big aspect yeah and so you can't really break encryption right now but what if I recorded all of the encrypted messages that the US government sends out in five years or ten years down the road get a quantum computer that can decrypt all of that and make it make make me give me the ability to read it right wow what damage or or Banks right all the money transfers all encrypted today right so that's part of the issue with Quantum it's not just what it can do today it's what it's going to be able to do in five or ten years again along with modeling for um uh astrophysics for chemistry new drug advancements there's a lot of stuff that it can do much better than regular computers that doesn't mean regular computers that we know today are going away because they're they are very good at a lot of things yeah but Quantum is one of these things where we have to keep an eye on it because it is going to be important longer term all right do you watch uh uh the Robotics and automation space and then and then I'm going to add um drones and and autonomous vehicles because I consider those as robots they're just on either in the air or on the ground or and they're a lot more mobile I I covered robotics for a few years before I came back here to Foundry and to do this uh it robotics was very exciting there were there were movements and you know now it feels like a lot of the robotics companies that are out there are really focusing on the supply chain problems and warehouses in each Commerce and things like that so it's becoming less and less exciting than it used to be we still don't have sort of a consumer robot that other than the one that can clean your floors um I think yeah I think people are waiting for a multi-purpose robot that can you know fold the laundry or they're gonna be waiting a long time load the dishwasher I know I've covered a lot of the research and and they're not at that point everyone keeps thinking about robots that we're gonna either you know kill us all and I was like you can just don't worry about it you you'll they're they're only going to do that one thing and then you can just push them over and then the coolest robots I've seen are for my robot where they do their little dance oh that's just in the videos well Boston Dynamics sorry yeah yeah yeah sorry yeah Boston Dynamics I think we're going to cover that at some other point in another show but even the self-driving Vehicles there's there it feels like we're at all all there uh they've got a lot of companies that spent you know there's a lot of investment going on in that space and just you're just not seeing the the levels yet where everyone's like oh robot car that's really cool maybe I'm more excited about some of these flying cars and these these these taxis because I think we're going to have flying cars or flying vehicles flying taxis I think we're going to have those before we get to the actual Road and and the main reason is because you still have people on the road right and they're going to be electric yes which is actually kind of cool the problem is that the range is still pretty small but but yeah it's going to be like if you're in New York City and you need to get to Long Island to The Hamptons if you're one of those wealthy people like yeah all right no the issue about robotics that and I think people miss this a lot right these companies that are are doing their stuff in robotics yeah need to go where the money is the money is not in selling you a housekeeper right the money is in uh you know a chemical process that that's costing you know making this up Exxon Mobil 10 million dollars a minute if it goes down right right or you know being able to work in a nuclear power plant because I don't want to expose you to the right the dirty yeah they call it the dirty dull and dangerous jobs right yeah and they can make real money there so that's really where most of the effort is going on today and will continue to be until you know you can figure out a way to make money in your house right and it's that's going to take a long time right right cars are a little different because cars um one of the reasons people are looking at autonomous vehicles for cars is from a safety perspective right right hopefully uh and there's a lot of technology that goes into this but hopefully if you put enough technology in the cars they'll never crash into each other you'll never have an accident right but that includes you have to get all the people off the road like but so that's when they're looking at uh you know that's where things like 5G and 6G that's coming in a few years are going to be important because you have to have high speed networks but yeah more importantly they have to be low latency you've got to get the data to me fast right and you've got to be able to handle gazillions of different events going on at the same time and and components so it's coming autonomous cars You know despite what Tesla tells you is not going to be here tomorrow right I think autonomous true autonomy that you know I can take a nap while I'm driving down the Mass Pike here yeah it's probably at least five years away probably more like ten okay and then the problem we have of course is if I have an autonomous car and you don't what could they said to me because you're you're still apt to crash into me all right I can still yes that and again that's the problem that's why you don't see a lot of testing in Massachusetts that's why you see it in Texas and Arizona where you know you've got long stretches of roads and and they're making inroads on uh Trucking long-haul Trucking um that's always interesting too because you know you've got long stretches of road where there's not a lot of other people and they've got dedicated lanes and and deliverance right so yeah Amazon you know is looking at this and lots of people looking at it but that's a little different model right because first of all those Vehicles move fairly slowly yeah and it's not like they're on the road you know doing 80 miles an hour and I'm not sure how fully autonomous there are I think there are people that are driving them or if they run into a problem someone gets pinged and they're like okay I'll fix that problem yes yes all right any other technologies that there's the you know that you wanna that you're excited about to get me back on that side of tech optimism or should I jump to my last question well so there's one other thing that that I think that people need to think about this again this is a longer term issue right but a lot of what's going on with ICS today are going to lead to how should I put this hybrid people right embedded Electronics we're going to be boring we're going to be boring all right talk to me talk about this stuff but for good reasons right okay so think about you've seen these um exoskeletons for people who can't walk yep and Prosthetics yes yes yes that's amazing stuff think about that you know you're making people walk that couldn't do it before there's going to be more of that kind of stuff you know where there's again where there's a heart pacemaker or I don't know you're a diabetic or whatever it is there's gonna be a lot of those kinds of interventions um and I think that's really exciting from a health perspective because what we're hopefully what we're doing you know there's always a negative side to everything right but hopefully what we're doing is making people's lives better yeah and that's ultimately what we want technology to do all right I remember a lot of the exoskeletons that's that started out would really help those people that couldn't walk the ones that were paralyzed and helping them gain some Mobility but then we started seeing some like industrial type vests that people could wear just to protect their backs if they're you know I think uh the uh an auto factory worker does most of his work like this right and you know when he's when he's under the cars above him and he's doing some sort of screwdriving things like that the back pain that that's for eight hours a day is is pretty intense so there were these vests so it's moving slowly from the sort of the medical benefits which I love into more industrial to protect workers um Sports I'm seeing some stuff where you know you're sort of like giving not not an advantage but but preventing injury things like that so yeah all right you you win that point the oh so but what you know what will I have a chip in my head doing other than health monitoring or things like that like is there anything else like am I going to be streaming movies just in my brain and thinking that I'm seeing something at some point people are thinking about that yeah not so much movies but what if you're blind yeah what if I could tap into your optic nerve okay and and and you know with the right technology let you be able to see again put a camera on your forehead or wherever right and you can walk down the street and see what's going on I think I'm getting some so as I get older I'm getting some hearing loss too that would be another another thing that would be beneficial um it would just be something like to help me remember things too I think that would be helpful we're going to become the Borg I all right but then I think you know that raises so many questions about you know monitoring and data privacy security we'll we'll get to that point at some point all right my final question for you jack is is and this is something that we were thinking about is that for a long time we haven't had sort of a tech Visionary or to sort of guide not guide us but sort of like be that that innovator that inventor you know Steve Jobs was was was an example Bill Gates even you know from the early days of Microsoft um Mark Zuckerberg with with Facebook with Facebook I mean we're talking like Steve Jobs is up here and the other guys are you know a little bit lower and I'm trying to think like we haven't really had that I mean some people would argue Elon Musk is that guy but I think with the Twitter stuff he's now become more polarizing um do we does the does the tech world does the you know do we need someone like that or have we moved on from that Tech guy as a superstar mentality I don't think we need the superstars to be honest with you okay uh I mean those guys did what they did when they did it in a new emerging marketplace where people weren't familiar with the tech and uh they were evangelists we always need evangelists we always need tech evangelists but we don't necessarily need them at the same level first of all there's a lot more diversity now right so it would be really hard to have those you know and Bill Gates's days there was the IBM PC and there was dos in the early days and that was it and it was a whole new platform and and people needed evangelizing um now we've got so many different areas you know do we have do we need an evangelist in drones do we need another one in um Quantum do we need another one in you know the next Wireless technology I don't think so I I think there's going to be there are going to be some of those but I think there's enough stuff going on that and people understand Tech a lot more about technology now that I think that'll that'll go on by itself uh the second piece of that though is that I'm not sure it's necessarily good that we have those kinds of folks because they tend to uh not shut down necessarily but but they they you know they suck all the air out of the out of the room and there's a lot of stuff that goes on that people do some really good stuff on that that doesn't get uh looked at because you know Elon Musk just said something on Twitter that yeah he shouldn't have so are we idolizing them in hindsight maybe like maybe we're giving them more reverence in the rear view mirror than maybe when they're doing their stuff or is there there's a lot of worship that goes on while they're doing it uh absolutely and and look they make a lot of money for a lot of people which is a big part of that right um uh but you know that they wear pants like we do right they put on a shirt in the morning hopefully and and shoes no they have people that do that well okay well hopefully don't dress them but okay maybe pick out their clothes okay all right jack that's all the time we've got for today thanks again for coming in studio and being with us here thanks it's great all right and don't forget to like this video And subscribe to the channel add any comments below join us every week for new episodes of today in Tech have a great day and we'll see you next time foreign
2023-02-09