[Music] welcome to the Las Vegas it management podcast my name is sha Toya Marie and today we have Trevor Lothian here with us today super excited to get to know you a little bit today Trevor how are you doing I'm doing well and yourself pretty good I'm just living the life Trevor can you just give us a brief overview of your journey in the it field yeah so my journey in it really started effectively when I was 18 or so I got a computer job at a former company called Computer Renaissance in San Diego it was a repair shop so I started there and I worked there for a while I built out computers I sold computers did a bunch of different things a lot of hats You Know Jack of ball trades kind of thing is where I think I started really acting that way in my it capacity is small mom and pot business so I had to do a lot of different things so from there ended up moving to Las Vegas and moved out here couldn't find a computer job close by there was a I think it was Comp USA before they all went out of business in the Henderson area and I applied didn't really go anywhere so I ended up working at Smith so I stepped away from it for a while did that tried doing door to-door sales for solar didn't really like that and eventually found my way to a Reprographics firm where I was doing photoc copies and that progressed into to doing coding in the proprietary legal software they used and supervising and uh working with you know Technical Training for the employees of the different law firms we supported and after a while about six years or so being there there was a layoff so I left and a former colleague suggest that I apply where he's at they had an opening for a an IT generalist kind of position it was a rehab facility so I went there and some of the stuff I played around with as a kid making my own like Pokemon websites ended up using those HTML and CSS skills to dig in and work in their Drupal environment you know hanging security cameras patching stuff in the network closet rebuilding computers after some time of being there I found my way over to Solar City in the interview it was a contract position but the interview was kind of funny they pointed at a pallet of monitors like so how you feel about a installing a bunch of monitors like yeah it doesn't sound like a big deal so they hired me pretty much on the spot I knew later that after afternoon I was going to be a contractor there the next day so it was a bit of a struggle I ran through that I was at Solar City and Tesla combined for almost eight years so ultimately Tesla acquired Solar City but while I was there I went from contractor to it engineer to supervisor the operations manager and then when Tesla acquired us they call it leveling and then moved back down to an individual contributor role yeah I did a lot of things there managed printers managed cell phone accounts did murder and acquisition projects office builds office tear Downs office you know expansions anything that didn't have a home typically found its place onto my plate so I did a lot of different things and left from there to go to motional for a couple years motional is a self-driving car company and they are based out of Boston but they had a branch out here in Vegas and work there for a while to go back into a managerial role as an IT ops manager was promoted there to senior ops manager and my team there we ran Imaging process and a lot of things like that and after a while I had received about three different phone calls over time from my former manager at kesla saying when you going to come back please come back home so I did at the beginning of 2024 and during the most recent round of stuff that's been going on with Tesla I left again in May so right now I'm currently between jobs but that's that's been my journey so far awesome that's it's crazy how life can take us into many different directions abolutely yeah just amazing how that kind of things like that work out and could you share with us because I know you did mention that you've you know got into different things within the IT industry when you turned 18 but what sparked that interest in this technology world so it's it's really a couple things as a kid you know very young we had hand me- down computers from my grandmother's business so the first computer I remember having was in 8086 was all Tech space monochrome Monitor and we had play Tech based games eventually there are some like really basic blocky graphics and stuff that were there but it was all just like asky characters so that was a joy of computers I had from a very young age and that continued forward as we went through from 886 to 286 386 and went through the different technology as it came out and as it was handed down to us of course you know but I always had that Fascination and that Joy there right my brother and I we were the Nerds and we wanted to go and play with computer so when I saw that there was a a posting for a position at this computer store I applied and I was quite excited when I got the position because I got to play with computers for a job and you know being my second job in the workforce it was really nice to have something that was kind of or not just kind of but very familiar to me at home so that there was that and in a few years down the road my brother had passed away on his motorcycle and when that happened he he was much more um the it guy at the house than I was so he was the one doing the coding he was learning Linux and doing all this stuff and I was playing video games that's that's what my job was to do was to play video games so I ended up being asked to do quite a bit more with that and found myself in a position where I was using some of those skills that I didn't really hold near and dear so I like to tell people I kind of more or less fell into doing it related stuff and it's not really the thing that I would say I ever looked from the outset that I was going to do as a job or a career I I'm very mechanical very handy you know whether it be woodworking or wrenching on a car those are all things that are near and dear to my heart as well but I fell into it doing that so the spark really comes from a young age being around technology that I was lucky to have around at a very young age got it I feel like a lot of us kind of go into the direction just because of experiences so yes and I totally get that and Trevor you've you know held various roles from entry level positions to management what are some of the things the key challenges that you've you know and rewards of this progression so one of the biggest challenges I found and actually moving on to leadership is if you're moving into leadership from a role where you were not in a leadership role and those employees that were your peers are now your subordinates or are now you know looking to you for that leadership capacity not all the time but sometimes there's been some animous there where some employees might think that they're more deserving that they've got more of a tenure so they they should be more deserving instead of going off of the Merit so you know there there's some challenges there that can present themselves and those are things that are both uh most carefully navigated there's a lot of personalities and sometimes those those can lead to some conflict so i' I've experienced that myself in my career and it's just one day at a time and you know working with those individuals and eventually you get through it so it's a bit of a a struggle there but but you know that that's probably the biggest challenges that I had one of the other challenges I had too is not having been promoted before until I was it you can leave some things out I mean it's it's that inexperience where you don't know that your moment to do a b or c was right then like salary negotiation or talking about what you'll be doing or some of the expectations and making sure that if you have any opportunity to have a voice in what's going to happen it's right there and if you don't do that then you can kind of shoot yourself in the foot unknowingly unwittingly just because you don't have that experience to tell me I should have negotiated this and I've I personally have missed out on those opportunities that first time around and then you know talking to some folks that who had been promoted before and had been in the workforce for quite a bit longer after the fact found that you know that's something to do better with next time and I had those opportunities thankfully I was promoted again in the future and took opportunities to negotiate but that's something that I kind of kicked myself about for a while was like how did I not know this but you don't know what you don't know right no that is so true and thank you for sharing Trevor and I also know as you mentioned you know you've worked for companies such as Telsa Solar City can you just share a not notable experience or lesson learned from these high-stake projects yeah so a lot of the projects I I engaged in were not just me by myself myself there's a lot of people a lot of different teams team members you work with and one thing to make sure that I think you always keep the front of your mind is that everyone you're working with is human just like you and I they have their own motivations they have their own likes and dislikes and if you can keep that that stuff in in mind it's much easier to work through anything any challenge any problem uh it's much easier to come up with solution when you have people wanting to work with you so the idea that you're always right this should not be something that you have percolate to the surface so for me it's it's really just it's that takeaways you know keep that human element first and foremost in in front of you when you're you're working with everyone there are going to be things that you can read into and if you don't know for sure that that's what someone meant or that's the the intention they had ask the question don't assume got it well thank you for sharing that Trevor and then you you know with your combined Technical and people management skills how did this Dole role shape your approach to leadership and Team Management it allowed me to do a lot moreing from uh Trevor for whatever reason I can't hear you I don't know what happened and and you hear me now yep sorry um so for me it's it's leading from the front you know so being able to show uh your team members and other teams that it's not a do as I say not as I do but it's a let's let's do this together let's work together I'm happy to lead the charge and actually work there with you work in the trenches I'm not afraid of getting my hands dirty so it's it's that kind of opportunity that presented itself that really allowed me to meet with the team meet them more than halfway in some cases and I think it helped to Garner respect in a faster rate than I would have otherwise if I was just like hey Bob can you go take care of this if it was hey Bob let's go work on this together it was it was much more effective got it and I've been there as well so I totally understand just the importance of willing to do the things that you're asking for so that's just an so important and you know you H having started with an 8086 PC you've seen some significant technology changes what advancements are most exciting and how do they impact it landscape today I think it's the graphics and the computing power that we have available today hand inand I mean really the computing power lens towards the graphics so they're basically just another type of CPU but uh those two things together really have changed everything right and we've got um High defin video stuff that we can play around with now AutoCAD all kinds of 3D modeling programs or the special effects that we have in movies that we we really enjoy seeing like Iron Man with his you know his his blasters on his hands and stuff like that that stuff wouldn't exist without the computers we have today so I really feel that those things together have really just changed the way that we perceive the world and what we can do and you know speed things up make things more interesting yeah no totally a lot of things that we're doing nowadays you know we couldn't do without technology so it is such a blessing and then can you share your insights into the evolution of networking equipment over your career and how modern advancements have influenced it infrastructure yes so I I still recall what the dialup modem sounded like as I was getting on to some of the you know aols and Prodigy and other types of you know first few steps on the internet you know for me in the the 90s were like and businesses have changed dramatically and what they do with the consumption of data and as those internet connections have gotten faster you know things have just it's it's opened up a lot of possibility so I I think that that internet connections have been a huge thing the the WAN technologies that exist out there for you know um connecting our businesses together or different locations together to allow for resiliency and redundancy has been a tremendous benefit I remember early on in my it career having a single internet circuit you know was eventually it was going to go down and if you didn't have something as a backup it was it was going to be a problem and now it seems to be much more the norm than to be the niche case to to plan for something like that so I think that those those things together the networking designed to allow for resiliency and redundancy and then the internet speeds have been huge got it and I I'm a 90 baby myself so I remember that whole the dial tone and if you were on the computer someone was calling you it was a hot mess so I remember those those times but I was a young child at that time so right but I do remember and so what are some of the critical considerations when managing office builds and relocations any tips for ensuring a smooth transition yeah I I I think I can keep this one fairly short so knowing the timeline is critical you need to know when you're starting and when it's supposed to end you also need to have the experience or be able to get the experience on how long things are going to take so if you think about like you go to a mechanic and you say I want to get my spark BLS changed they have a book that quotes the amount of time that it takes them to get that done and they charge you for that the mechanic may do it in a quarter of that time but they're still paid even though it for the full time even though it's it's faster and for a office move you need to assume the worst you're going to be working with a ton of different people and not everyone's going to be operating at your speed you're not dealing with one mechanic you're dealing with a bunch of different people so understanding how long things are going to take to happen you have to plan worst case so if you keep that in mind then it works a lot better the timeline going back to the first point if it's too short you need to push back you need to have reason to push back too here's why this is not going to work here are all the things that have to occur here's how much time those things are going to take and we can try our best to squeeze it as fast we can but you know it's it's one of those things you really have to be able to push back and going back to knowing how long things are going to take you can plan for contingencies that way if you know that your staffing agency you're working with can give you four people but they've got another four people available that helps you to know if those four people aren't out all the stocks for you you can either get more bodies or possibly replace some of the people who have been assigned to your project so there's things like that there's there's no level of overthinking you can do on an office move think about it work through it plan for it got it understood and I'm sure sometimes things don't go as plan so so I'm sure that's absolutely just like anything and then how do you approach the integration of it systems and teams during mergers Andis and to um to minimize disruption and ensure a cohesive environment so you need to take stock of what's there what what are they using what applications are they using what Hardware are they using and then you need to work with those teams you got to talk with them and there's a lot of conversations you're going to have understanding what it is they're doing Shadow them talk to them figure out what they're doing why they're doing it and how that's going to integrate into the landscape of the company that's acquiring them so let's say this is Solar City gobbling up another company when Solar City does that solar City's likely if they're the parent company buying this other one they're not going to say I'm going to use their technology they're going to look at what they already have in their stack and say how do I take that round Peg and fit it into our square hole so they're they're going to you know rely on someone like myself to say hey all right so what are you doing with that and how am I going to take that and move that here and if I know what I need the end part to look like and I know the start and I go to the end and I work backwards from there I can figure out what those steps look like come up with a plan present that plan once I've had those initial conversations and then start uh sanity checking it talking to everybody making sure that it's going to actually work the way I believe it's going to work because I'm I'm not going to you know be completely correct in everything I do I'm going to make mistakes and that's where where this is a team effort so I talk to everybody make sure we kick the tires and make sure that car is going to roll down the hill successfully so just planning lots of planning and then you need to be prepared for backout plans roll back plans and things like that because even the best planned out thing there could be some unforeseen circumstance and you cannot plan contingencies for everything I mean we we could have everything nailed down to a te but we didn't talk about Envy energy not having an outage or a brown out at that point in time because that's not a consideration that we're making and you know even if we did take that into consideration are we going to buy temporary generators for this probably not because the the the tiny chance that something could happen but things do sometimes line up and crazier things happen got it and when you when you mentioned that I just thought of you know I've done Marketing in the past and I know a lot of times when you're doing marketing it's more of kind of you know you kind of see what works would you say it is something very similar I would say that it is one of those things where at times it can feel like wacka so you could like like you said see what works it's it could be proc elimination or wacka I prefer to it multiple ways but it's hey how does this sound and sometimes it could be in the way that you're actually just selling it right so speaking of marketing packaging something one way and selling it to Consumer versus repackaging it selling it another way you could have the same exact product and sell it a separate way like zema has become smof ice right I mean zma you don't sell it sold anywhere but it's effectively or a lot of people joke about it being the same thing but there's a lot of ways you could package something and in it a lot of it really comes down to this sounds like this will work and sometimes it's not till you get to trying to do it in practice you know that it doesn't work on paper everything seems great even Fielding the ideas with your your colleagues and your management team like yeah that's great and you go to do it like that was a terrible idea okay Lessons Learned let's not do this again so you you don't always hit the the nail on the head every single time but we try and do it more much more often than not got it no totally get that so thank you for sharing that with us Trevor and within your bio you did mention you enjoy tinkering with technology at home can you share a recent project you've worked on and what you learned from it yeah so 3D printing I've got a couple 3D printers here at the house it's been a little while since I poked at them but they're very finicky there's a lot there to learn and unpack I feel like you could spend as much time learning how to do stuff with a 3D printer and when they're all mostly you know the mechanical movements and all that stuff and get everything aligned just perfectly and everything looks great and then suddenly things still aren't working right the medium's not adhering to the bed you know your print's not quite right so there's a lot of nuance and a lot of things there it's it's one of those things where patience goes long way and it's a reminder to me about the technologies that we have in the it field right it and Technology do not stop they're constantly evolving there's new technology that's not released that is going to be released in a couple weeks couple months a year from now it's a constant release cycle and because of this there's new features there's new things to be concerned about new bugs new vulnerabilities all kinds of stuff to work on and the same thing applies to 3D printing so to me it was a it was kind of a reminder to me in playing with that and working with it that you never know everything and you got to stay hungry and want to keep learning so that's that's been the the kind of a takeaway for me with a 3D printing it's it's enjoyable but it's also annoying got it I get it a lot of things that we do can be that way sometimes yes and then how do you balance your professional life in it with per personal hobes and family activi activities especially I know in your bio you did mention that you do have young children at home yes so my kids are very interested in technology as well so they're constantly curious about what's going on and to balance that we we've uh gotten a bit lucky the kids had come into a house full of movers and shakers as we like to put it you know our house the normal is busy so there's not normally a day where there's nothing planned there's almost always something going on going to the library going to a concert going to a show going to the park going to the gym multiple things you know but when it comes to work it's trying to figure out how I can get everything scheduled in there and squeezed in there really to to work with them to do my stuff that I need to do at the house you know the dishes aren't going to do themselves so it's it's really a bit of a challenge but have to apply some level of project management to the the stuff that goes on here as well to squeeze everything in we try and get the kids set up to be able to take care of themselves as best as possible with certain things especially now they're getting a little bit older they're seven and 10 so we're starting to lean on them having you know responsibilities and taking care of stuff but a lot of it really is just making sure that work is not impacting so much of our time that we aren't there for them when they need us and when it comes when it comes to that work life balance is critical and if you allow it to I found in the past that work can be very consuming um of your time and I think that having boundaries and making sure that you set those and continue to reset those over time because things tend to creep you know work or even Hobbies you just have to make sure that you continue to re-update those got it now I totally get it I have a 2-year-old and a now 5-year-old oh wow yeah and you know running a business and a few other things I totally get it it could be a a balance that you have to learn but yeah I totally that's pretty awesome Trevor so thank you for sharing that with us you know you're currently you are currently exploring New Opportunities like what type of roles or projects are you looking for within the next adventure so I'm really open at this point as I mentioned work life balance is is an important thing for me and I think that employers and employees alike need to find the right fit so I'm looking to find the right fit there uh I hold myself to be quite technical in different areas and I definitely enjoy technical stuff I also really enjoy working with people and having that that um that personto person interaction so as a project manager I really enjoyed getting to meet with all these different teams I had no direct reports but I had all these folks that I need to ask them to do things for me on these projects or for the company right so I enjoy all that I get to meet everyone get to have all these different person personalities um that I interact with go to lunch and stuff with them I really enjoy that I also enjoy mentoring and tutoring and training people into seeing that they can do more than they they thought of in in themselves so I'm really just looking for a next opportunity allows me to to have that work life balance and either an individual contributor or manager I'm open for whatever the next Direction you know comes for me looks like I'm I'm very flexible in that regard I've uh been blessed with the skill set that I have and a lot of the opportunities that come my way so I'm I'm really just anxious to find a good fit got it and so when it comes for to a good fit are you more looking to be like a contractor employee or are you kind of open I'm open it it it really depends I mean of course it would be great to be full-time so I could have benefits and stuff like that but right now pretty open got it awesome well thank you for sharing that with us and what trends are emerging technology and it do you think professionals should keep an eye on and why I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens with the video card market and not just for discret graphics cards but also the ones that are built on the motherboards because we've seen a huge battle back and forth for a long time between Nvidia and AMD and most recently Intel has been doing their own discret graphics cards they've had their own inbuilt Graphics into their processors for quite some time but I think that there's going to be a bit of a shakeup in the the graphics Market there as Intel I mean they've got a ton of money to do it too to really start to be more competitive in that space we've seen AMD do a lot with AI their stock has gone Bonkers I mean I made a a mistake personally where I sold off some stock thinking oh it's not going to go above $15 a share of course right after that it it ramped up quite a few times and I I felt a bit silly for having vacated my positions but I truly think that there's going to be a bit of a shake up there where people are going to be buying for more dominance in the AI field through the graphics processors and stuff they're making and I think Intel is taking their first entry steps into that with some of the the graphic stuff they're doing it's cheaper and it is comp competing with some of the lower tier cards from both andd and Nvidia so I think that there's going to be a bit of a shake up there in the future got it and for some of our audience that may not understand exactly what you mean by that could you just explain a little a little bit more yeah so competition is good and when there's not a lot of competition I I think that the the different companies they they can rest on their Laurels hey I don't have to Pardon Me Do much more to uh improve this or make the Next Generation that much better but if intel enters the ring and there's now a three-way race instead of just AMD and Nvidia I think it'll get more interesting we'll have potentially prices stagnate or hopefully lower as opposed to just continuing to increase like some of the high-end graphics cards now can cost upwards of $2,000 they're absurdly expensive so I think that that it could be good for consumers and I think in the business Market we're going to start to see changes in the offerings from Dell Lenovo and some of the other OES in terms of what their packaging and devices you're able to purchase we know that you know for Enterprise grade computers there's a lot of asks from a lot of different parts of the business whether it be Graphics power ram processing power there's a fit for all different types of folks and it comes down to price point and the the portability and package and that you're receiving it in and I think that that's going to change too I think there's going to be more competition got it no that's awesome and then for those who are just starting in the it in it what advice would you give to help them navigate their career paths and Achieve growth let me think about that one for a second I think it would be a good idea if you can if your network allows for it with people you're already know talk to someone who's been in it for a while if you don't know anyone join a group and and talk to someone there that you don't know Reach Out blindly on LinkedIn linkedin's a great place for this strike up a conversation you never know when someone's randomly going to respond to something you send what I would suggest is say more than just hey I'd like to connect uh there's a lot of cool people on LinkedIn and it's it's a good social media platform I think that there's a lot you could do there for example my my wife is part of culture first is a group that she works with out here she does different training from the HR side and going out to some of those events and meeting different people there's stuff like that for it there's stuff like that for maker spaces stuff like that for car stuff and car stuff is very very quickly becoming more of an it related thing too where everything is on the canas everything needs to be done through the the the Cars computer so getting to know these people who have been in the industry for a while and learning from their experiences and hopefully maybe even avoiding some of their mistakes there's a lot of mistakes you can make like the one I mentioned earlier about negotiating at that that point in time but there's others too you know like training pads you know you could talk to one person they say certifications are terrible they don't prove that you know anything whereas someone else might say get all the certifications you can it's not going to hurt hurt you but it all depends upon the perspective get lots of perspectives got it no that's that's excellent advice and you did mention communities is there any communities that you can recommend just thinking or offhand so one thing I think was really neat uh for me to do and I need to get back into it was the The First Community for the robotics competitions I was doing that while I was working at motional my next door neighbor Matt the office down the hall for me he was very very good salesperson at getting people from the office to come and volunteer so I got to be a robotics judge there for the competitions for some of the high schoolers out here in Vegas and that was really rewarding experience but beyond getting to do that that Hands-On part and and talking with the kids about their robots and everything they did it's all the other people from all over the place that I got to talk to and find out about the their work experience what they've done their background and not everyone was was you know an expert in their field we had kids who were fresh out of college who were coming and helping out with some of these things too and getting to just talk with them so any number of different things exist you know but I haven't looked for any computer related clubs in Vegas for a while I know there like as I mentioned maker spaces there are some maker groups I typically align in my personal time more with car groups so you know going to cars and coffee on Saturday it's every Saturday and in Henderson on Eastern that's a fantastic place to go to just meet tons of people so that that's something I always recommend if you like cars you never know who's doing what with computers even if it's not car related so anywhere you go got it and that sounds pretty pretty exciting just you know being part of those communities especially the one that you talked about with the those kids with the robots I'm sure that was a pretty amazing experience and as someone who has transitioned into leadership what are your top tips for effects of team management and fostering a positive work environment so this one's going to sound a little funny I think but think of that your work in family as a family right but and the reason I say that is you spend so much time at work eight plus hours a day with these people oftentimes spending more time with them over the course of the day than you do with your own family at least Monday through Friday or Monday through Thursday if you're local government employee and some respects so you spend a lot of time with them but there's different things where they're not family too these are your co-workers we're not going to treat them and talk to them the same way so I think respect goes a long way and if you treat people with respect and you know stay stay humble I I think that things go a lot easier for you in in the working environment you know things as I mentioned earlier can be taken out of out of context and I think it's it's a good idea to just be open and have communications you don't know someone's motivations you don't know these people other than what they've allowed you to know or what you've helped promote them to be comfortable talking to you about you know if you if you're that standoff person who's giving one answer responses like how is your weekend good you know like don't expect a whole lot to come from those relationships and I really think that cultivating good relationships is a huge part of who we are as a a species and in the workplace it's incredibly important to connect and I I think that that that is a huge part is just making sure that you can have those interpersonal relationships really build as much as you're willing to do I think the more you're able to do that the better you don't need to share every last detail about your life medical history or anything like that but you can definitely you know have a good time getting to know some of the people you work with and it could make working a whole lot more fun sorry a call was coming in um problem but no that is I agree with you I think building a relationship is the key with anything that you do you mentioned LinkedIn I mean we we got this relationship for from a LinkedIn message that I sent over to you that's right so I just think that's you know a start starting process of a relationship and who knows where this relationship goes to um of course so which is awesome and any final thoughts or advice you'd like to share with our listeners yeah so I think when it comes to working on a project or a team something that I've I've had some time coming to grips with too is not everyone is going to work the way you do so you may think something is normal when it's not someone else may think something is normal when it's not so a case in point being you know you may think that you're normal and that everyone should operate the way that you do how fast you do at at these different things but that's probably not normal you're probably working fast you're probably going faster than the curve you're probably taking on more than someone else is either willing to or is able to and that's not a bad thing everyone's different in their own ways one of the things that has stuck out a lot to me in my career in the customer service side of it which is a large facet of it is that you'll get those employees who are in front of you one second who will say things like oh my gosh I can't believe I'm I'm so terrible at this I'm bad at it I can't do these things and these self-deprecating remarks and I think it's it's critical to remember that we all have skills that we hold on to and that we found that work for us and let's say that person who made that comment is a salesperson I'm an it I don't do a whole lot of selling I don't really sell much of anything other than maybe a project or an idea I might have to get it executed but these these people are selling day in in day out and it becomes your responsibility in that that in your job Capac City to take care of them and help them out and allowing yourself to remember that part of it can make your interaction that much better because you're not pitying them or anything like that you're helping them using your skill set they're helping the business using theirs everyone's slice of the pie comes together to make the full business picture and I think that that's something that is critical to remember may not have done the best way of describing that but that's that's kind of how I look at it is we all have our unique thing that we bring and as long as you can remember that I'm doing you know what I need to do and it's part of the collective group and they're doing that too no I everything you said I agree with you so that was awesome and thank you so much Trevor for joining us today your inspiration that you shared with us was very valuable I'm excited for this our podcast to come out live is there any way that people should connect with you LinkedIn would be great so if want to reach out on LinkedIn just say hey I saw a podcast love to connect or if you have any questions feel free to let me know be my do my best to to answer I can't answer all questions like if you ask like what companies did you acquire I can't answer those questions but you know anything that's you know more vague to like topics like we talked about today or specifics about things going on in the industry with it stuff or my opinions on things I'm happy to Give opinions but just be be aware I may not be able to answer everything but I'm happy to talk got it awesome and I'll be sure to put that in the bi bio um but Trevor it was was a pleasure and we'll talk soon thank you so much thank you [Music]
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