[Music] i just asked um asha if you'll introduce yourself first hi i'm asha i'm work stream lead for establishing the nhs digital academy and then amy hi everyone my name is amy and i am the program lead for the pg dip in digital health leadership at imperial college london and eradica yeah hi everybody i'm radhika i am program director for a digital community pharmacy optometry dentistry ambulance and community sectors in nhsx and i was on the cohort too of the digital academy great and then alan hi i'm alan sharp i'm a digital transformation consultant working for south central west csu and i was on cohort two of the uh digital academy program great okay so now we're going to move into the agenda really and first of all we're going to have a introduction about the digital academy and this is a health leadership program um and then we're going to do a little talk i'm going to do a little bit about fed ip just to understand a little bit about what that is um and then we'll have a bit more of a detailed session and then an opportunity around the experiences of those that have been on at the digital academy and then we'll come back to wrap up with some questions so first of all i'm going to ask asha and amy if they will present a little bit about the digital health leadership program hi i'm just getting my slides up although you know true fashion we're actually having to do workarounds but it's all good means you can see it um perfect can you see my screen um cool andrew you're the person i can see on today's webinar always fixates on one person so i'll be looking for you for nods and shapes of heads um so i would say so me and amy have already introduced ourselves and to just give you a bit of context before we talk about the digital health leadership programme um the nhs digital academy and the consequent nhs digital health leadership programme directly fell out of recommendations from the walk to rock to review um in 2016 where there was an identified need to develop and invest in digital leaders um so we have again selected imperial college london as our partner to deliver the programme the digital health leadership program and they'll be delivering this with the university of edinburgh and hdr uk um we won't have the time to go into the detail of this today um but our future vision very much looks to expand the different offerings in the future to meet the needs of a much wider range of individuals and you know be on the program and in the future and that's the reason why the work stream is called establishing the initial digital academy which sometimes sounds a bit strange but for something that's already around so very much looking in the future to expand it and make sure it's um you know a much wider range of people have got access to these opportunities um for today however amy and i will talk at a very high level about the application process and the support available as we want you to get the most out of the panel today i mean i've just dropped into the chat hot off the press the um we do a much longer sort of 30 35 minute version of this where we go into the application process and programming a lot more detail i've just popped the youtube link into the chat so for those that want to look at that later on and that's that for you to look at too um also amy and i will probably try to cover cohort um sort of application and more technical questions in the chat just to sort of um you know answer them there again so that the panel can make the use out of um you know their valuable insight so onto the programme um so first of all we've launched a new website and we're open for cohort 4 applications and the website's quite new we are continuing to evolve it so any feedback on that is welcome applications now close on tuesday the fourth of may at midnight um i think i think it might be 23 59 but but tuesday night um and following that we'll undertake shortlisting and long listing with the view to notify individuals of outcomes by june july and then we'll also this year be offering feedback and signposting for all applicants whether they were successful or not as we know sometimes people can feel a bit lost afterwards especially if they get an unsuccessful outcome um we will adapt that bit of the timeline and update it and for once we've had the applications in as it will partly be dictated by how many applications we actually do get in um the process for this year is just the application process the application form so there won't be interviews or anything afterwards for this year um those who are successful will then complete an academic admissions process with imperial college london and i'm really keen to highlight um we don't want degrees to be a barrier to applying it's not a prerequisite and we know not everyone will have one so as part of the academic submission academic admissions process that's a bit of a tongue twister um you will be asked to provide previous academic records or or evidence of equivalent experience um but this is a well-supported process and and you're you know you'll be well supported so if you're concerned about that step at all um get in contact us with us beforehand please don't let it put you off um as we just you know we've heard um you know not having a degree has made people in the past maybe not think about the programme so it is for you get involved and we can support you with that process um the preference for cohort four as long as it's safe to do so is to include a minimum of three days in-person learning in a two-day and a one-day block um and in addition there'd be an in-person graduation ceremony and we've now got the dates for residentials one to four confirmed and they're up on the screen now and um amy do you mind just popping that in the chat so people can refer to those dates later if they wish to do so um one and two we're planning as virtual three and four again we're hoping to do face-to-face if it's safe to do so and we'll continue to evaluate the current situation so who is the digital health leadership program for so fundamentally individuals need to be in a role where they're required to drive and implement practical digital transformational change within their organizational system you need to be able to evidence this in your application and individuals need to be working in an nhs public health or social care role in england to apply we are very well aware that job titles and associated responsibilities can be incredibly varied in the space so we don't want to exclude individuals on that basis um applications for the other free nations are not yet open but we're currently exploring this and we'll update our website and twitter accounts as we know more on this and also just to highlight the program is fully funded by heu for those who are eligible for the 100 places that includes overnight stays for multi-day residentials um however individuals that organizations would need to pay for travel costs and other expenses such as mills while travelling additional accommodation if needed either side of a residential um in terms of entry criteria i've got some stuff on the screen this is all on the website but the the point i'd really like to make here is when you're thinking about your three to five years of relevant experience in informatics or digital health we know that for some of you that will mean drawing on previous experience in roles which might not be a formal digital or a formal informatics role because we know a lot of people they start getting involved in bits and pieces and they sort of gravitate towards this area so if you've got any concerns again about that please contact us but you know you are more than welcome to add and include your experience from roles which might have not had informatics digital or something in the title if it's relevant to your application and the application questions so in terms of what you'll do differently as part of the program you'll start by setting out your goals for the year in a personal development plan which should be agreed with your exact sponsor and from the start and then throughout the program you'll be expected to engage in reflective practice about how you're progressing towards those development goals as part of ident as part of undertaking the program you'll be expected to identify themes or programmes um within your place of work that are of strategic benefit to your organization and you'll then apply your learnt skills and knowledge um to practice in the workplace using those themes or programs of work that you've identified and what this will enable you to do is apply those best practice models frameworks and approaches and you'll use learning journals to capture the translation of your learning and we know for some people reflective practice is actually quite a strange thing to get used to and so again you'll be well supported as part of that and at the end you'll celebrate completion of the programme coming together with your peers presenting highlights of both your professional growth as well as the impact that you've made in your workplace i'm now going to hand over to amy to talk at a high level about the program itself and then we'll finish off with the additional support that's available for you before handing back to andrew thanks asha so here i wanted to give you a quick glance across the program we'll start with a digital onboarding that will give you access to imperial systems as well as pastoral support and short modules preparing you to academic study on a postgraduate level from on the top of uh of that journey from module one onward you will have grounding in the overview of health systems and gradually will introduce you to more specialist areas in digital health these modules are delivered online using blended learning live webinars and live assessment tutorials to make sure that you know how to best deploy theoretical knowledge into the workplace and how to best progress in the program the leadership module that you can see on the bottom left corner module 6 runs across the year parallel and in dialogue with your online modules starting with your personal development plan that's agreed with your exact sponsor it will help forge you connections across the cohort to collaborate with others it will guard you on how to apply learning to your work and inform your reflective practice that will accompany your learning journey throughout the year that's thanks amy i'm just i'm muting myself and perfect so just to finish off um just wanted a highlight of the support that's available throughout the application process um so um we've got we've been doing a series of drop-in webinars as mentioned and we've now got the one on demand available which i've posted in the chat um we do have another two drop-ins next week i think aim has already posted the the link and the dates of those so if you want to come along and ask live questions you can do um we've done another free panel sessions like this and as of today the other panel sessions are also available on the website on demand and so we have done one with the cnio network we've done one with um ahps allied health professionals and we did one with one health tech so we did those last week and they're now available on demand and fully transcribed on the website you'll find an application checklist on the supporting guidance and shortlisting criteria so whether you come along to one of my dropping webinars or you have a look at that what we're trying to do there is be really transparent about what we're looking for in your application how we'll be scoring you so that you know you're not guessing what we're looking for in your application form um we've got other online content some videos have been going out today we've got a great video that's just gone out today um we're with simon echols sonia patel natasha phillips and ming tang talking about the digital academy so keep an eye on twitter and we're available on twitter and emails for support and inquiries and again just generally check out the website if you want to know more about the process and for those that are interested in the future vision and inclusive recruitment more generally so i think that's us as i said we'll try and pick up any questions in the chat and then we'll pass you back to andrew okay thank you asha and amy that's really helpful and so there's a real guide there to the resources that are available a quick bit of an overview and uh hopefully that will give people a good flavor of what uh what is going on um what i'm going to do now is just talk a little bit about fed ip and a little bit of background of what it is um just for very quickly for five minutes before coming to to the rest of the panel um and i'm guessing that a lot of people will wonder what what fed ip actually is what it stands for what it does um so fed ip stands for the federation of for informatics professionals i'm always not sure whether we've picked the right name um because if you type fed up into your uh well certainly an apple phone uh it tries to auto correct it to fed up so uh which is not a very good good translation anyway hopefully people don't get fed up with fair dip um but the federation for informatics professionals in health and care was established in 2016 and its mission really is to uh professionalize the the whole of what we do within digital health and informatics in health and care but along with that is also a voluntary registration and opportunity so um what the aim of of fed ip is to bring together people to develop the profession and put it on the same standing as other professional disciplines within health and care so you cannot actually join fed ip as an individual person as a member but you can belong to a professional body that is a member of fed ip so basically the professional bodies are members of the federation and individuals are members of those professional bodies currently there's six professional bodies which span the whole spectrum of people working in informatics there's affect which is the association of professional health care analyst there's the british computer society there's the institute of health records and information management irim there's soccertem which is a society for innovation technology and modernization they largely work in social care and local authorities and then there's silip which is the chartered institute of library and information professionals and then there's the fci the factory of clinical informatics so the aim really of um of fed ips to bring together us those bodies uh establish professionalization through uh registration and by creating this register of people who have met the standard to to practice within informatics and health and care so there's a couple of things that need to be said about that people who are already registered as clinicians then they are regulated through that professional route and so therefore we're not asking them to also join the register although they can if they want to but it is a means of us looking right across the professional bodies and establishing the standards to make sure that they're equivalent across all the bodies so we do two main things one is establishing that register and the standards behind them and the second is acting on behalf of all the professional bodies speaking effectively with one voice and to develop the profession in the uk so we've done a number of things to date but we've got a lot more to do um we are looking at a future where we think that the nhs is asking that more people who are in this uh area of work are registered so they are proving that they've got the qualifications and experience in order to carry out the jobs so one of the things that we hear quite a lot from employers is how do i know that people working in this area are good enough to do the job that they are qualified to do the job and of course that's quite difficult in an unregulated profession so we are creating this uh voluntary registration process but the nhs is indicating that at some point as digital becomes more uh core to the running of the nhs and more vital to the running of the nhs and indeed as digital tools and techniques become the treatment themselves then they are looking at a point particularly as we gain momentum when it will be mandatory to be on a register of some kind to work in this area in the nhs so just for the uh finish off just uh very quickly just to say what are we looking at to do over the next period um we've been working with the professional bodies establishing the standards people can become members of the professional body and then apply to get on the register to get on the register uh you you can become an associate practitioner by demonstrating that you've got a job in a in a in a valid job if i completed that way where you are doing those activities and and if you want to then join the register you can do that we then have a process where you can apply uh to go up to the various different levels there's five levels in total on the register one of the things that we want to do is really focus on cpd because we're aware that one of the things that we want to do what we want to mark our profession is people that know what they're talking about that are continuing to develop themselves to understand the knowledge base which is always changing and we want people to be up to date so we're really shifting the emphasis from in this sense from the bar to get in to actually the the requirement to keep on the register will be that people are maintaining their cpd now the relevance for today's discussion on on that i guess is how does the digital academy fit in into this so we've been talking with folks around this and what we want to do is we want to accredit a range of resources educational resources which actually demonstrate that people are meeting the requirements to be on the register so that could be to move from associate practitioner to leading efficient practitioner or advanced practitioner so we're intending over the next couple of months to look at the digital academy scheme and map that to to the fed ip standards so that if someone meets and has completed the digital academy then they can they don't need to provide additional evidence they can provide the evidence of having completed that course in order to to map against the particular standard on the fed ip register so we're looking to do that we look into that with a range of things and our main emphasis over the coming year will be really to encourage cpd encourage people to reflect on their learning to maintain their position on the register but more than anything else to feel part of the community of informatics professionals and to contribute to that and build the the professional knowledge base in the uk so hopefully it'll be a really exciting time to be part of the profession one of the other aims we have of course is to attract more people into the profession and make sure they hit and meet the high standards that we expect and not least uh the public and the patients will expect for people who are running such a critical bit of our infrastructure so that's a little bit about fed ip if you've got any questions about that then please feel free to to put those in the chat and we'll come back to those later on i realize i've been extremely rude and i've done that thing which i've done before as a chair which is assume just in my business crack on without introducing who i am so i should have said that i'm andrew griffis i'm the chief exec of fed ip i've been in that post for for just over a year now and prior to that i was the cio of the nhs in wales and uh decided to to end with that and i'm doing this work in the fed ip now because i'm really keen that we see the profession develop so at that point i'll shut up and we'll get to the real important part of of our discussion uh this morning and that is uh to speak to radica and alan about their experiences of being on the digital academy and i think what we'll do we'll come to eradica first and we'll just ask radical she will give five minutes or whatever um just to explain a little bit about your experiences of being on the digital academy thanks andrew uh it's fair to say that it it you know it was quite a big career milestone um really to be on the nhs digital academy cohort too um i had previously been an nhs graduate scheme alumni uh many years ago and i felt that where i got to my career that it was um that there was a risk that you know whilst i was um you know doing quite well in in my work there was a risk though that i was becoming very nhs and local knowledge centric and did not have the awareness of what else was happening across the world and really not sure whether i was able to keep up to date with the innovations uh that were happening around um so i felt that the digital academy provided um that that platform um to to get myself uh more up to date around things and by then i had been in a national role for about five years and i was again quite cognizant that there was a risk that even though you know one tries to keep as many local contacts as possible there was i was quite acutely aware that there was a risk that i could find myself very distant from the reality of colleagues who were working at a more local level and then nhs digital academy also provided the opportunity of building that network and engaging with peers from different different organizations different types of roles and exposure um and really the academy provided um what i was looking for on both those aspects particularly to talk about the knowledge base itself the material that is provided by imperial college london and edinburgh university it's excellently curated i cannot emphasize enough on that um i have had exposure to other leadership programs etc but by far the material that that i've seen on the digital academy the standard is extremely extremely high and it provides the opportunity for anybody who's on on the program to make what they want to make out of it so what i mean by that is you could read the essential learning that's that the academy puts together and that gives you a very very solid basis and understanding and a knowledge base but actually if there's a particular topic that really um that really flags your interest then there's loads of optional learning and again excellently curated that that one can you go deep into um and it where and when it comes to the networking aspect i mean that that really just blew my mind um i mean i knew that there would be opportunities but just the the sort of relationships and the tribal um the you know the tribal form of the bond that is formed um i was just quite i it was it wasn't something that i was i was expecting and whilst i haven't been that good at keeping in touch with everybody what i do know is that if i needed something i could use my twitter account with a suitable hashtag and i'm pretty sure that loads of people will come back and help me from all the cohorts um and similarly you know there are sort of personal networks that have built that even if i don't keep in touch with them i can reach reach back to them as as needed um and then the other thing was just the exposure to the international speakers who who spoke to us again i mean the honesty and the candor in which they spoke to us was quite humbling we did not have um unfortunately a in-person graduate ceremony but we had the chief scientific officer no less who attended our virtual graduation ceremony and that despite him being so busy around the covet pandemic and it was quite a motivating um quite a motivating presence of all these various individuals that's also left quite a long lasting impact on me great thank you alan do you want to come in absolutely yes gosh there's lots covered there which i that that's stolen some of my thunders that's really really good um yeah so i'm um i'm on the sharp um i currently work it as a digital transformation consultant in south central from west csu as i said i joined bcs and fed ip member but when i joined the uh academy i actually applied when i was working as a service manager in local authority social care um i i applied for cohort one but was unsuccessful because i think in cohort one they were certainly there were certain sort of senior managers in the nhs they wanted to try things out on cohort one but i got some great feedback and i use that sort of in my application for cohort 2. so i think picking up on what ash has said you know there's going to be lots of applications if if you get feedback and use that don't give up and it's a great program to get on and and and keep trying i say use that feedback against them really you know you know you know whether the areas you've got to cover off um as i said i worked in social care for 20 years um i led informatics teams there and really my play was that with the long-term plan clearly there's there's joining up of health and social care and i made the argument you need to have social care people in that room not only for what i could gain from it but also what i could potentially provide to other people on the program and certainly that's been the case so people came to me either during the sessions or or afterwards on all the communications we've gotten have asked me for what do you think or what what's the background to this in social care so it's a it's a really good kind of the networking and i'll come back to that in a moment um yes the course quality is excellent you get access to kind of um people we had one seminar where where some chapman america was getting up in the middle of the night to do a a webinar for us um yeah it's mind-blowing the access to content that you've got um and and you know it's a lot of that you can download the videos and that they're with you to to use in the future um i would say that um yeah you don't need to be an i.t geek to be on it so let's just put that that kind of fallacy to bed um really key to it is that it's um clinicians it's professionals working across the sectors lots of kind of nurses uh people in social care people in in primary care who have got an interest in this area so don't feel put off that you're not an i.t
professional expert that's that's not what this is about you get given some um a background and grand grounding in kind of awareness of things without needing to they're not teaching to be programmers for example so don't don't worry about that aspect of it um and i think um what was key there is bringing together all these different um people from these different fields and what was great was on the first hopefully the residentials would be able to start up soon again but what was great is on that first residential you go and meet these people and you feel like terrible imposter syndrome but they did a great big menti meter and everybody in the room felt the same um and you realize actually everyone feels you know absolute respect for everyone else on the program um in terms of uh there's a few other things i just wanted to cover um yeah the peer the peer group the support you get is fantastic um you get divided up into a small peer group that you work with throughout the program we are really tight we've got our what's that group we're in contact every day even now so we finished a year ago um you've also got you'll probably have a whatsapp group going on for the cohort for that year and also there's the alumni so that's getting bigger every year and as i say every day you get messages come up has anyone got experience of of of putting this system in or has anyone had problems with with this problem uh you know getting getting approval for something has anyone got an example of a document that could help me for approval this it's a really great supportive group but also not just from the content things like that for for just moral support we're all dealing with the same challenges and particularly the last year that has been a fantastic source for all of us to kind of help us get through the last 12 18 months i would say when you do apply what's quite key is who your sponsor is um make sure it's someone that can give you some time um and and is is fully behind kind of advising you throughout the process because that's that's really really important as you go through because you will need some work time put aside for this and we're all very busy and it will get tricky at times so you need that person to back you up on that um but i you know i i'm a punishment i've decided to stay on and do the msc so you know don't you got that option if if you wish to um but yeah i would say give it a go best of luck to everyone and um yeah look forward to answering any questions you've got really okay great thanks thanks alan i'm just looking at uh the chat and just to see any questions i think actually you've um answered uh one of the questions there so i just encourage people if you've got any any questions that you'd like put them in chat or now we're at the end the sort of summary bet really if you want to speak then you are welcome to do that but uh so just raise your hand uh in the normal way and uh obviously take yourself off moot and then you can come in and and ask a question without writing in chat if that is preferable to you so i'll i'll just kick off um just with one question using chairs prerogative as it were i i thought it's really fascinating to hear both of your experiences and some of the things you said about um the sort of imposter syndrome do i fit in this um will i be able to place you know i think i think everybody's you've really pointed out everybody feels that in whatever environment they are i might do i you know do i match up with the rest of the tribe as uh radical called it um but i that's from what i was hearing that quickly went and you felt part of it i was just interested in in asking perhaps we could come to eradicate first what what you felt was the main thing that you got out of of the experience you know if there was one thing i know it was difficult to say but what would you highlight um i just came out andrew feeling quite relevant if uh if if you know sort of to summarize the whole experience because i just knew that i was you know basing my decisions my thoughts on you know the latest uh um knowledge but also really reflecting like alan said you know we had him from social care but there were several others from local authorities very very backgrounds and i knew that i was talking based on real life user experience of of people from on home the policy might change so i think relevance was number one thing and i think i just came out with if i may say so some level of pride because it's it's quite a difficult i mean i'm not sort of trying to scare anybody but it's not an easy thing to to go through the cohort as well it can be quite demanding on on your time uh managing family managing your general workload etc so there's a there's an element of pride to completing some thing and some completing something that's quite cherished as well yeah great thank you now i think that's that's really key isn't it is you get it you want the the thing that you're doing to be challenging because otherwise what's the point of doing it yeah um but then of course you know it's great to hear that the content gives you confidence as well as getting experiences of the other people from different backgrounds alan can i ask you the same question yeah don't be cheeky and say two things actually um i think first of all it was that for me it was the general grounding of all elements of the nhs and how they fit together that they were all given prominence in that and you're looking at it as a whole system um but also the main thing which we we all say is about that peer group and the support you've got you go through a shared experience together and and the way that binds you is unbelievable and and uh it's interesting what you say about that imposter syndrome because it's all done anonymously on mental meter and on the last session there was a repeat of the exercise and it was really great to see how people changed and and the kind of there's a real camaraderie in in the group so um yeah i'd welcome all of cohort four and into the group really yeah good so you all realize how bad you were that you're all as bad as women are there is that what they want it's a good thing i think i think one of the lovely things about that is what you're talking about is you're building community at you and a network and it's giving you confidence and recognition that that you do know what you're talking about backed up with the knowledge which is testing you so that's really helpful um there's a question here about what's the biggest single change you've made in how you approach your work following doing the course i don't know who wants to take that first um i'm going to pick up some eradicator yeah thank you andrew um i think you know it's one always uses these words like oh evidence base but i think it's used well i i have seen it used quite lightly before and i think since the digital academy i have found myself naturally more disciplined about about being evidence-based so there's a you know it's not even it i feel like it's it's sort of yeah it's just a natural expansion now of my way of working where i'll research something take that time and talk to people so there's there's a very solid module on user design um that does have a massive influence on you so you know that there's a massive risk around making us assumptions which are either not evidence based or then based on your personal experiences and not really representative of uh of you know majority of people or people who really it would have impact on so i think i've been more aware of that that's the change i've made yeah okay allen is there anything you've changed jobs as well have you i've changed jobs yeah and this was a major part of it so um yeah that's not to be underestimated i mean i wouldn't i wouldn't say that's pretty put down as one of your reasons for your uh sponsor but um yeah that's one of the benefits um yeah i would have said the user experience but but secondly i think it was one of one of the modules is about um the systems you work with and you realize that basically you don't work as an island so a new system supplier will will talk about a completely like like fresh pure build you don't exist in that world everything is interacting with other processes and systems which are outdated or older and and it's that realization you don't get that perfection and so how do you kind of hold that tension between that and that was that was quite a kind of realization and not not beat yourself up about that it's it's inevitable you're going to have to interact in that complex system so that was really quite good to spend some time thinking about that and sharing experiences with people no i think that's really helpful i think again just uh reflecting not on my experiences of the digital academy but other learning experiences i think one of the powerful things is one realizing that um the way things the reality the messy reality of some things and the complexity of it and sometimes we we can think it's because we don't know enough and indeed there's probably a bit of truth in that but it is about recognizing that these things are really hard to get right up there and and difficult um great um got a couple of comments about sort of information um analysts and um i wonder whether there were any information analysts in your cohort that's what you're thinking though they were andrew um i mean i i i come from an uh i work very for a short duration as an information analyst but i was a business analyst but there were quite few who had come from my information analysis background yeah so i again just you in a sense you can testify to the relevance of of the course and for that because i i guess one of the things is again as you said earlier on is just learning from other people isn't it and picking picking that up and also contributing um so it's a bit of a question here around um sponsor your sponsor i wonder whether you're willing to disclose who you're you know the job title or whatever of the of your sponsors and really any thoughts uh about how well how did you actually gain their support and how much time did you need from them over the over the period of the duration water and all right um allen you look as if you've got something to see okay so um this is recorded yes it is okay yeah thank you for the reminder so i had to swap sponsors because i swapped organizations part way through um the fact it's free is a really good selling point so just don't keep that in your back pocket um i was sponsored by the director of social care um the local authority um i think it's important to have someone that can uh not just got you back but also if you need to get those contacts you will for some of the exercises you need to gain information data work with other people in the organization so you need someone some clout um and also someone who's got the time for you i think inevitably we all struggled to get the amount of time we needed from our sponsors i think that's um always an issue which is why the kind of peer supports very important um as i said i i i swapped organization imperial was fined about kind of facilitating that um and um yes part one new role i i changed sponsors part of that but that made it yeah there was a new challenge with is kind of the examples i was using swapped part way through but um uh yeah you use the fact it's free is is a really good selling point yeah good yeah i'm sure every every line manager would ever like to hear that uh radical if you've got any thoughts um yeah andrew i so uh my sponsor was um director of digital transformation then in nhs england and improvement um they were very supportive but i wasn't able to have i'm not sure if i even had one sort of proper one-to-one regarding uh the digital academy and that was just due to the sheer um you know the time pressure is really um on it but i but they were my sponsor was on cohort one so there was generally like on a more informal basis there was a lot of support from the fact that they were on cohort one so they understood the pressures on the time pressures on assignments and and uh you know you know generally sort of they were quite sympathetic um towards that i wasn't actually able to take any plans steadily beyond residentials and that was just again because of the business pressures we were working on there but i would say that um my advice would be that try and nail that with the exec sponsors where possible you have your dates for assignments that come through you know that are shared as soon as you you as soon as you go live with the module and you know whatever time you think if it's two half days or whatever you think is appropriate try to get that booked into your diary i wasn't able to and i i think it um it had an impact on the pressure that i felt great okay no thank you that's that's really helpful i was going to come to amy or ashton just asked whether any resources around the guide for sponsors but you just put that in the chat amy so thank you thank you for that that's really helpful so i'm just reading it but um yeah so sponsors get a bit of an induction um as well to try and bring them up to speed i think that's really key isn't it i again from my experience elsewhere being a sponsor and being sponsored um actually getting time is the key thing and almost planning that forward but that can be difficult to cut it and challenging but also people when you are responsible knowing what you are required to do uh clarity over that is also helpful and i guess that's key for for the application process as well amy georgia come in yeah just to say that for the sponsors it's also quite important for them to appreciate that putting you through the program is quite the opportunity for the organization for innovation and implementation so um i think that increasingly as alan says you know there are people who already been through there are a lot of people whom you can point to um radhika would be one um but we have we have people in in national leadership roles that you know if a sponsor is being a bit like what what is this for you know you can just flash some names and um name job that you've been here on a webinar with radica and alan yes good now that's really helpful i i i think one of the things that i think any any good line manager or person with senior president organization will see the real value of someone getting on a digital leadership program it is prestigious isn't it it does give credibility and it's really a great i mean certainly i would say there's a great opportunity for the organization uh to be learning from what's going on elsewhere as well so that's um i really really great um i'm just looking to see if there's anything else like there's a few things coming in because yeah so yeah so again i was just pointing out that that fact that there's lots of people to to help and support as well as your sponsor again that's a really key thing isn't it you know sometimes you can't tell your sponsor everything because you have a different relationship with your sponsor than you do with colleagues and support from colleagues and that ability to network is is really really helpful good okay um unless there's any other questions um or anybody who wants to raise their hand and then i'd just like to thank everybody uh on the panel today uh for your contributions been really helpful um certainly i've learned a few things particularly from um allen eradicator about the experience of of going on there um just to a real enchantment uh to people who are thinking about applying um you know it's always good to think seriously about it and the commitment that's involved that's a good thing that you're ready to do this but then a really encouragement to put your best application in um don't be put off by that impostor syndrome and what he will give you is the prestige of being on a really great credible course you'll develop a great network of colleagues and people and make sure that your knowledge is is up to date as well and also i think give you the tools to keep that knowledge up to date it is so important so thank you everybody for coming along hope the session's been helpful and we're going to stay on the call away a bit longer i'll show those on the panel and but thank you to everybody else and uh goodbye [Music] you
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