Technologies of the Future Sadhguru and Michio kaku Speech Interview Latest In Russia

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i think that we can start now my dear  colleagues if there are no objections okay good afternoon my name is safikoshvarnatza  i will be moderating this wonderful   panel forecast 21 developer technologies of the  future which technologies will be in most demand   in one century of course forecasting the future is  a difficult task you can invent many other things   but let's think about what we see around us  today and how the today will affect tomorrow and here on the panel we have michio kakou the  professor of physics co-founder of strength   field theory south korea yokai and mystic founder  of asia foundation dimitri deputy general director   of the all russia state television and radio  broadcasting company mitchell barodz for the   general director of bayaka good afternoon  i would like to start with you mr kakou we see many developments in science uh   artificial intelligence biotechnologists  robotics media technologies you name it in your opinion what will be  the main driver by the year 2100   previously everybody thought that the  future would belong to cars but uh it   turned out that internet and i t drive for  the uh today so what will shape the tomorrow if our ancestors from 1900 could look at us today  what would our ancestors think of us they would   think of us as wizards sorcerers the ability to  have magic mirrors called the internet flying   carpets called jet airplanes so that's how our  ancestors of 1900 would look at us today now if we   could see our descendants in the year 2100 what  would we think of them living in 2100 i believe   as a physicist and as someone who has interviewed  over 300 of the world's top scientists for   bbc television the discovery channel and the  science channel i believe that our descendants   will resemble the gods of mythology greek gods for  example venus had a perfect body and was immortal   already in medicine we are not just tackling  diseases but we are enhancing and perfecting   the human body and also isolating the genes  which control the aging process we have already   isolated about 60 genes which control aging we  cannot reverse it yet but i think that by 2100   we may have the ability to have not  just biological immortality of some sort   but also digital immortality which i'll talk about  in a second then we have apollo the god of the sun   we will have solar power cheaper  than fossil fuel technology of today   because of revolutionary developments in batteries  and storage and we will also have fusion power   already we believe that within 15-20 years we  could have the first operating fusion reactor   in southern france and so we will have the power  of the sun apollo the god of the sun and then zeus   was the father of the gods who could simply think  think and have things come true that will be the   future of brain computer interface for example the  internet what will be the future of the internet   the internet of the future will be brain net we  will send memories feelings emotions sentiments on   the internet already in animals we can now send  the first memories in mice and now in monkeys on   the internet very soon we will be able  to send memories to alzheimer's patients   to create a brain chip you will push the button  and memories come flooding into your hippocampus   and so that is the internet of the  future when we send emotions feelings   thoughts on the internet and this is going to  change everything entertainment for example   will no longer be based on television or the  movies it'll be based on feelings that we   can send on the internet for example when silent  movies made the transition to talkies that changed   entertainment when we had movies that could talk  now we will have movies that not only can talk   but can also feel and have sensations and then  we had mercury the god of speed we will have   supersonic transports commercial supersonic  transports prototypes available in 2025.   nasa has already stated that they want blueprints  from lockheed martin and other manufacturers   to create a supersonic commercial jet that has  no sonic boom the sonic boom is the reason why   the concorde was a failure supersonic jets a  failure because of the sonic boom we will use   supercomputers to solve that problem and then we  will also go to mars mars perhaps by 2030 2035   the first astronauts will go to mars and the  price of space travel is dropping dramatically   you realize that the movie the martian a hit  movie the martian with matt damon cost a hundred   million dollars but the indians sent a probe to  mars for 70 million dollars so a hollywood movie   about going to mars cost more than actually going  to mars that has revolutionized space travel   and so transportation will be revolutionized  and then last we had pegasus the flying horse   we will have zoos of extinct animals we will be  able to bring back animals that have perished   that tens of thousands of years ago we now  have the genome of the mammoth we also have   the genome of the neanderthal so in principle we  could bring back the mammoth and the neanderthal   this is something that's being actively  talked about in the scientific community today   and then lastly what's wrong with this picture   we realized that the gods of mythology were  also very foolish they spent most of their time   making tricks on each other and creating  problems what we need is wisdom the wisdom   of solomon and that is going to be extremely  rare in the future but there is hope   and the hope is that the internet spreads  democracy the more people are educated   the more empowered they are and that creates more  democracy and democracies rarely war with other   democracies think of every war you had to memorize  since you were a child every single war they've   always been between dictators between kings queens  emperors but never between two major democracies   and so the hope is as we spread democracy around  the world as we spread the internet around the   world then wars we will still have them but wars  will be diminished in the future and so the hope   is that we will also have the wisdom of solomon  to go with the power of the gods of mythology i have also heard you say things about  challenges and threats of new technologies   the threats of drones or new technologies or  biotechnologies so this is an irreversible   process we already have battle  robots but what do you think   the technologies of the future will the humanity  use them for bad like the nuclear bomb or for good   well any technology is a double-edged sword any  technology one side of the sword can cut against   disease ignorance poverty illness the other  side of the sword can cut against people   as well and so we have to make sure that we  control this powerful technology the three drivers   of wealth generation in the near future will be  one artificial intelligence two biotechnology and   three nanotechnology a combination of these three  technologies will generate enormous wealth and   prosperity in the future but let's not be naive  there's also the problem of nuclear proliferation   global warming and the possibility of germ warfare  and so these are three technologies that could   negatively impact on humanity not to mention that  we have to worry about artificial intelligence   artificial intelligence i think will become an  industry bigger than the automobile industry   of today i repeat i think the robotics industry  will eventually become bigger than the automobile   industry of today because your automobile will  become a robot you will talk to your car you will   argue with your car your car will park itself  and monitor itself your car will become a robot   but the danger is that robots at some point  could become self-aware that is the tipping point   robots today do not know they are robots  robots today have no idea that they are robots   they may have that awareness by the end of this  century at that point they could become dangerous   when machines become self-aware but i think that's  not going to happen until the end of this century   and meanwhile the robotics industry will become  bigger than the automobile industry of today another interesting thing is that today  we are working we are living in a hyper   modern world by uh but we use coal  and fossil fuels for heating our homes   and we don't have any micro computers uh at the  tips of our fingers so i have to charge my iphone   every night uh from or from which point there will  be a qualitative change in energy production well   a hundred years ago thomas edison and henry  ford had a contest which technology would   dominate the future thomas edison said it would  be the battery henry ford said would be gasoline   everybody laughed at mr ford they thought  the answer is obvious edison will win   because who wants to have a gas station on every  block gas explodes it creates fires people will   die every day if we have gas stations everywhere  well we all know who won the bet ford wanted a   bet which means that every day somebody dies in  a car accident and is burned alive every day we   tolerate gas stations on every block because ford  was right but in the long term edison may also be   right but the problem is storage the battery  is the key problem facing solar and wind power   how do you have solar power when the sun doesn't  shine and wind power when the winds don't blow   the bottleneck is storage the battery you  see there's no moore's law for the battery   we assume that everything doubles every 18 months  we assume that we assume that every christmas   everything is twice as powerful as it was the  previous christmas but that's not true moore's   law only works for transistors it does not work  for the battery but that's where new inventors   are coming in today now for the first time in a  hundred years hundreds of inventors are pouring   resources into the battery that is the bottleneck  that has prevented us from having a solar age and   renewable technology in our backyard so  the price of solar of batteries has gone   down seven percent per year that could  eventually open up a new era of energy i also would like to talk  about uh what can happen to   our society we have an entrepreneur in russia  who is like a russian elon musk has a theory that   by the year 2100 the society  will be divided into two groups   the people who are innovators entrepreneurs  scientists they will govern all other people   these two groups but what's your opinion what  the society of the future would look like   plato two thousand years ago believe that society  would ultimately be controlled by philosophers   however we know that philosophers are very bad at  controlling power resources answering the needs of   a growing population and that's why i don't think  that society will be divided along those lines   but the key to the future is education we have  to educate our people so that we don't split   into smaller groups that will eventually war  with each other because technology is not going   to go backwards technology will only go forwards  things will become more complicated in the future   and we have to educate our people  a primary emphasis on education   so that they can meet the challenges of the  future for example artificial intelligence the   the two groups that are the main losers in  artificial intelligence are a repetitive workers   b middlemen college educated middlemen for  example stockbrokers people can buy stocks   on their wristwatch today you don't need a  stock broker so why do you go to a stockbroker   anyway if you can buy stocks on your wristwatch  the answer is you want intellectual capital   advice knowledge experience innovation talent  foresight that's why you go to a stock broker   you want something that robots cannot provide and  that is intellectual capital capital of the mind   rather than capital of the hands and that's  why we have to educate our people so that we   don't split apart into the categories that you  mentioned specifically thank you so much mr kaku thank you amazing   question to dmitry morozov dmitry you are the  head of the company which treats diseases with   biotechnologies will the diseases build  steed there by the year 20 100 2100. people will always suffer from diseases  that's just the nature of their body and that   that is our burden we have to pass through  that the nature tries to isolate the weakest   people in the species and once we and if people uh cannot give birth to  children other nature doesn't need them   any longer and we see that and the examples  of the people who like the people who love   their weeded out by the nature and we seem  to lose in this battle against diseases and   the nature will still weed us out especially if we  believe uh into darwin says that well the primates   have a very short lifespan and we have already  depleted our lifespan and we just lived there   with your permission i i'll have some  questions on this point uh this never-ending   struggle with against death this desire to leave  forever recently i spoke to a mr churchill a   biologist and we discussed the system that allows  to change dna that changes dna on its own so you   think that people will be able to change the color  of their eyes of shape of their head in the future   of course plastic surgery originally was aimed  to correct some deformities will humans be able   to uh change their outward appearance on  their own a brief look backwards clearly   uh we are a technology driven so like civilization  long time ago we took a stick in our hands and threw it at an apple got the apple so arctic  our civilization was based on technologies and   one um ancestor of ours taught  another ancestor how to use a stick   what if an ancestor of ours had a telekinetic  capacity capabilities and he could uh remove   the apple from a tree just by a force of thought  if if if that were the case we would probably   follow a completely different route of development  not technology driven civilization route so all   these things which we're doing now is actually  preconditioned by our development route and with   the help of various technologies we are studying  nature and we are treating it respectfully   we are trying to apply our technological knowledge  uh our knowledge of the nature of things to   in order to understand to grasp things  which are ungraspable incomprehensible   so we are always we're not in alliance not in  alliance with nature but we are an outsider   observer uh we are observing the nature and we  try to uh impact the nature do you you ask the   question about changing donate yes we'll be  able to change dna but we're uh um fighting   a losing battle of course we can come up with  all kinds of cartoons scary cartoons for kids   showing all kinds of transformations that  a human body can undergo i'm talking about   the super superheroes etc but we still be using a  scientific approach will be a few steps behind the   nature we should live in harmony with nature and  we should transform ourselves based on other needs although plastic surgery you got the point uh  young ladies transform their body to be more   attractive to continue their lineage uh and so  there is a bi it's as part of their biological   activity biological agenda we don't know so we  are already a technology-driven civilization   we don't know how we're going to interact with  nature we know we can affect the nature we can   impact the nature but we're very limited  now in our capabilities because of the uh   roots we chose uh in the time immemorial when the  first men threw a stick at the an apple tree so   who should be responsible uh for this engagement  with nature to ensure that does not result in   a catastrophe we can uh you know program kids in  in in mother's wombs we can change our appearance   probably will reach a point where people live  sick for 600 years and that will be old people   will will live for hundreds of years well if you  live for 600 years you will not be giving birth   to people because you will lose interest in that  i'm talking about moral ethical capabilities um   this is uh people will will grow weary of life  if we become so technologically advanced i think   human will just become very weary and tired of  life and the new generation will come in our place   but that would be a normal thing death is  a natural extension of life so a death of   one civilization will result in the creation of  another civilization on the planet earth i don't   see anything dramatic about it it's traumatic  uh from the standpoint of one single human being   but in terms of the human species and the future  life of human species as a biological species i   don't think it's traumatic nobody told us that  we should look the way we look now i think we're   going to change if we travel in outer space if  we travel to other planets we'll be adapting to   other planets environment uh maybe we don't  have to go to other planets maybe we just maybe we should travel make space travels in in  our astral bodies not in physical form but in   the spiritual form okay if we uh throw a look  at the medicine because there are many many   people that that need medicine they cannot cannot  afford those medicines because they don't have   we don't have uh vaccines against cancer or  aids uh there are uh you know medicine barons   or magnates that that jack up medicine prices  do you think the development of technologies   will overthrow this process but you think that  biotechnologies will still be the realm of the   rich the stomping ground of the rich well i think  the world is an unfair place that that that's the   way it was created from day one i don't believe  in this universal fairness uh well i still don't   believe in that uh so the world is an unfair place  it's part of the human nature so the things you're   saying uh that's the fact and uh they're yes  they're medical barons so to say uh the and uh   high-tech uh treatments uh can you know are  something the rich people can afford but we can   choose the vector of development uh maybe we can  focus on our consciousness uh maybe uh instruct   our consciousness not to fall sick that often  or give an order give an instruction to yourself   to to grow another organ for example you know  i was once asked a question why lizard can grow   a tail and a human cannot grow a tail uh why how  come a lizard can instruct itself to grow a tail   uh and and we're not we cannot do that uh so  we i i guess we can do it but not very fast uh   the last question a narrow uh more focused  question similar to what i asked mr kako   do you think by 2100 what would be uh the the most  uh relevant things the most relevant areas dna   stem cells i think these things will  develop in parallel uh maybe a gene   tampering with genes will will come to the  forefront maybe cell technologies i i'm   certain that we will there will be a time when  we have nanobots in our bodies taking care of   our bodies but the technological civilization  and uh our gaps in our understanding of nature   will always be larger than our technological  advancements we are comprehending nature through   technologies and this actually defines the future  course of our development there's nothing else   uh naturally we're going to improve techniques  methodologies we'll be applying scientific   approaches that's the route we're going to move on  how we're going to treat cancer in 10 years time   we know how how we're going to do that  because all modern uh met the the drugs   and medicines uh that will be effective in  10 years they already been developed now so maybe what is what is the cancer i mean maybe  it's a natural natural it's a natural way to   part with life you know we can part with life  in different ways we can you know come down   with cancer we can be run down by a car all of us  will die so maybe it's just one of the ways to to   to leave this world to you know thank you  dmitry uh of course we're going to ask our   fellow panelists on this but  i have a question to uh dmitry uh mid last century what were we doing we were  sending people to outer space what are we doing   now we are you know designing thinner smartphones  and tablets you think that technologies in 70 80   years time will still be meeting the needs the  urgent needs of the people oh do you think we'll   be setting for ourselves some super super  objective super goals like gagarin's first   trip to space well thank you very much for the  question i would like to thank my colleague   fellow panelists to the left who described the  world of the future through antique uh through   through the metaphors of the ancient world the  perception of the world through the eyes of the   hellenistic theory through the philosophical  uh comprehension of this civilization   uh that is another example of the  fact that the greatest minds who   uh among our panelists even the greatest minds uh  resort to the uh notions and concepts uh which are   two years two hundred two thousand years old so  this the world we're living in now actually was   created two or three thousand years ago and in our  fantasies we cannot step outside these boundaries   the investments to be made uh developments to  be had uh will first and foremost be based on   fantasies so that the subjective world in  which we're existing uh the world of physics   medicine the world of space and world of uh  tablets uh will become broader in order to   imagine a person a human being living  comfortably in this new world to imagine a person   that is more interested in space exploration  rather than a brand new tablet or a thinner   tablet investments in human capital investments  into new ways of perception in transformation of   consciousness i think that would be the thrust  of technological development in the future for   the time being technologies we need them to reduce  the amount of time a person spends on this or that   physical labor so labor automation  the freeing up of human time i think it's it's it's it's more simple  than developing humans human beings and my colleague colleagues can speak more about it  i think that any modern day computer is a lot   more simpler than a human brain a lot it's a lot  easier to develop such technol technologies rather   than to program and develop software for human  brain but i think that using the capabilities of   a human brain as its computational computational  capabilities and capabilities for fantasy making   will be used in the future i agree with you and uh  miso is right that whatever's happening to us it   was already made up long time ago so we created  robots we first thought about robots uh android   robots they've become a reality i know people  who are uh designing such robots engineering such   uh robots and they told me that in 30 50 years  from now they'll be performing all functions   better than human beings not only you know  repetitive functions they will be better at   drawing up paintings writing music uh so the  things which human beings believed were the   the realm of human intelligence or human soul uh  no they're saying that roberts will be better all   these occupations what would happen to  human beings in that case what would be   well the most important thing is that to prevent  robots from uh making uh wilder fantasies than   human beings they will start making wilder  fantasies well in that case they will become   uh people in you know in japan they have toys or  puppets there they become human partners so well   but the those toys they don't have imagination  well now they don't have imagination but i think   by 2100 they will have some imag imaginative  powers it will be a completely different dialogue   imagine two two toys two puppets with imagination  capabilities uh meeting imagine their conversation so i think those will win who can create  something you can imagine something new   and to you know in answer to my colleague plato i  would like to bring up plato's ideas his ada's the   uh quantification of ideas so those people will  be creating ideas those will be creating robots   partners so no matter it's uh whether it's  bioengineering or some other uh physics   well as creators of robots we think that we will  always be controlling will be in control you know   because who knows that one day those robots will  wake up and say why do we need you people so i   think the ones who make who imagine who make them  will control them dmitri are you sure that we'll   be able to imagine something it's not a fact for  me that we are uh we're imagining something i   think everything has already been imagined before  we're just relaying uh whatever was imagined well   let's again substitute the word uh imagining with  the word studying others imaginations or imaginary   images it would still require investments i'm not  talking about financial investments i'm talking   about total investment so at some point in time  the humanity would reach the the the bifurcation when it would have a chance to come up with  something of its own well there's a concept   and i think our dear colleagues are  aware of that akasha chronicles and uh   in those akashic chronicles everything  we think we came up with it was already   written it was already created so everything  we can think of has already been created and i think our technological development paradigm is uh is akin to reading those  imaginations and studying them   well if robots will will replace humans some  people say it will be paradise we'll have tons of   spare time we'll be self-improving  robots will be doing everything for us   well the americans believe that it would lead  to degradation of humans because they would   lose the site they would lose the targets  the objectives for for further improvement   well it's a question of whether humans would be  able to imagine or create new space for itself   what my colleagues were talking about basically  the main idea is whether new ideas that would   create new ideas uh dmitry was talking about  600 years and if somebody lives for 600 years   people would have to come up with something  for 500 years because they will become tired   now with people live for 75 years imagine they  would need to fill their you know 500 years more   so six times you know six times more ideas six  times more content for life the more time we have   on our hands a person who works at a plant 16  hours you know as was at the end of 19th century   16 hours a day you know had one hour uh for  of his personal time the modern day man has   you know works for eight hours so it has more time  more personal time uh so we're talking about life   in perceptions life uh felt so these abilities  have increased twofold now we know people   who uh are having uh you know very varied life and  they're not engaged in mechanical labor they're   not degrading and that gives them twice as much  time compared to those people who spend eight   hours every day doing some mechanical things so  and they're spending more time to make their lives   more interesting and to live to make lives of  people around more interesting i think that's the   for the first time humanity finds itself in a  situation when it has a lot of spare time and   we can people can compete for their spare  time and now people can come up with all   different ideas on how to fill up that spare  time those people who can succeed in doing that   they will will will will pass this  route uh physically chemically   um and other people who are not in the position  to do that who fail to do that they will end up   selling flipping burgers for the rest of  their lives uh thank you dmitry i'm going   to ask uh what's going to happen to tv but mr  caco has uh uh has a statement or really quick really quick i think that the tipping  point as to when robots become dangerous   is when they have self-awareness perhaps by the  end of the century right now our most advanced   robots have the intelligence of a cockroach a  [ __ ] cockroach a lobotomized [ __ ] cockroach   but eventually our robots will become as smart  as a mouse then as smart as a rat then a rabbit   then a dog and a cat and by the end of  the century perhaps as smart as a monkey   at that point they are potentially dangerous  monkeys know they are monkeys monkeys know they   are not human now dogs are confused dogs don't  know that we are not a dog dogs think that we are   a dog and therefore they obey us we're the  top dog they're the underdog so i think at   that point a hundred years from now at the end of  the century we should put a chip in their brain   to shut them off if they have murder response that  is a fail-safe mechanism but that's only temporary   because then what happens when robots become so  smart they remove the fail-safe system that is   also possible in the next century the 22nd century  at that point i think we should merge with them   i don't think this will happen in this century  but i think in the next century we should merge   with our creation why not become homo superior why  not use exoskeletons which are now being created   to become hercules that is the power of the  gods so in other words one option instead of   fighting off the robots in the next century  is to merge with them to become super human well we have a choice whether to fight or to merge with them i personally think we will have a  choice because there's plenty of time   we realize that this is not going to happen  anytime soon our robots are as smart as bugs   right now and we have many decades before we have  to worry about this if you put our most if you put   a bug in the forest a bug immediately knows where  to find food how to hide how to find mates how to   find shelter a bug can do this you put our most  advanced robots in the forest and what do they do   they get lost they fall over that's how primitive  we are with robots so we have many decades to plan   for the time when robots become self-aware  and beyond that whether or not we should   merge with them now some people think that  the idea of merging with robots is repulsive   because it means that we're going  to be a brain inside a vat of liquid   no i don't think so i think that we  will want to preserve our basic shape   we'll want to preserve who we are but we'll have  in addition to that exoskeletons giving us super   memory and superpowers when we feel like but  we will look pretty much the same as we do now correct me if i'm wrong but uh so if we decide  not to merge with robots i want to ask you the   same question as to dmitry will robots develop  themselves and their intellect will develop   and at one point they will sell we no longer need  you human beings well there is something called   the singularity the point in which robots  can create robots of higher intelligence   we are far from the singularity today but one  day it could happen that robots will have babies   and these babies are smarter than the parents  and this process can rise exponentially fast   so rather than fight this i think we should  begin the process of perhaps merging with this   technology and enhancing ourselves rather than  fighting off what could be inevitable now this is   not going to happen i don't think in this century  but i think our descendants our descendants will   have the democratic debate as to how far to merge  with our technologies or become extinct especially thank you so much sakura  all the hopes are with you we're talking about technological breakthroughs  which at some point maybe not today not tomorrow   will happen but we are already moving very  fast previously technology breakthroughs   would happen every generation  but now they happen every day first of all can a human a human brain   cope with such a speed of changes or  people would just go crazy with that good afternoon everyone there are two dimensions to this which i think we're not differentiating yeah  one is intellect another is intelligence intellect can only function when  there is an accumulated memory why a child in the village looks a  little dumb compared to a city slick boy   is simply because he has more memory and  information but if you live them and leave them in   real life situations the rural boy may come  out much smarter where a certain intelligence   is needed where information is not needed so  essentially human intellect functions from memory   and everything that we are considering or  labeling as technology is essentially memory based   our imagination is memory based  memory means recorded past   something that we already know how  we can extrapolate into a different   format essentially the same thing finding  expressions in permutations in combinations but   nothing new happening nothing new can happen from  that it looks new because it's a new presentation   it's a new format well in terms of  day-to-day life it's absolutely new of course so technologically whatever we  do will lead us to a space where well right now human societies  have invested heavily this i must uh blame it on the  european default because pre-renascence   when these societies were hugely restricted  by dogmatic religious belief systems when a few people broke through that is they  decided to think for themselves they refused   to go by the book or the clergy and they wanted  to think for themselves and when they thought for   themselves the amount of freedom that it gave them  they thought this is liberation because of this   from worshiping god to worshiping human thought   became the mode since then we call this scientific  development but essentially human beings have   started worshiping their own thought what i  think is more important than my very existence because of this every capability  that we get we have been using it   against ourselves and every other life  simply because our thought is again a   manifestation of the memory that we  carry if you allow me a few minutes we in the eastern cultures in yogic  culture we look at human mind as 16 parts these 16 parts can be categorized  as four basic segments   it's called buddhi i'm using the  indian terminology i'll come to english what this means is buddhi means the intellect   intellect if we have to use an analogy it is a  knife all of you i'm sure you would prefer to have   a sharp intellect rather than a donald one yes  hello you must choose i'm going to bless you   sharp intellectual dull one sharp so  essentially it is a cutting instrument so we have a knife in our hand which gave  us a certain access to knowledge because we   could dissect whatever we want this is the  nature of human intellect whatever it is is   given to it it will dissect and look at it  everything is dissected including human nature   but by dissection you will know certain things  if i dissect you i will know where your heart   is located where your liver kidney and spleen is  located and what's its condition but i will not   know you by any sense when i say you i am not  talking about your thoughts your emotions your   ideologies that also can be known by dissection  we call this psychoanalysis that's also dissection but you will not know the nature of this life  by dissection there is no way to know that   so you're using a knife to stitch  you will leave life in tatters   so knife is useful for cutting so this knife of  intellect is a powerful instrument of survival   not an instrument to know something be that  is beyond your present level of perception   by dissection you know certain things but it is  not beyond your present dimension of perception   because this knife is useless without  the bank of memory that you already have   what connects you to this bank of memory which  we call as manas which is a silo of memory   is a dimension called ahamkara which literally  means identity this is where misuse of technology   is happening because of our identities the  moment you identify yourself with something   your intellect will ceaselessly work towards  protecting that identity either with our species   or with our gender or with our nationality  or race religion cost creed 1000 other ways   whatever is the nature of your identity  that is how your intellect will function   that is one care we have not taken in our  education systems in raising of our children   what is the identity because we need small  identities to fight other people we have been   engaged with this forever anyway living that aside  the menace is a silo of memory this one thing i   will subdivide for your understanding we identify  eight different types of memories in the manners   this is called elemental memory atomic memory  evolutionary memory karmic memory articulate   memory inarticulate memory and uh conscious and  unconscious levels of memory when i say memory   we're not thinking about just what's in your  head right now there is more memory in every   dna that you carry or every cell in your  body then your entire brain can carry   because you may not remember how ten generations  ago your great great great grandfather look like   but his nose is sitting on your face right now  your body remembers your body remembers a million   years ago how your forefathers looked even the  skin tone it is not forgotten so the amount of   memory that the body carries is phenomenal memory  is not just that dimension of memory that you can   consciously access there is memory memory is the  thing which decides who you are right now it is   from this context you are talking about robos  becoming just like you because you understand   after all if you build substantial memory they'll  just become like you and me those of you who are   thinking of a robotic partner in your life  a robotic wife or husband it's a good idea   because all the time the complaint in  this relationship is your partner is   not the way you want them to be so you  can manufacture them the way you want   you want them mild when you want them mild  you want them wild when you want them wild   you want them to be turned off and you want  them to be turned off this is a great idea yes and it may become a reality   if not very soon in some time mr kaku is more  qualified to make the prediction as to when   so essentially anything that you can build from  memory can be built anything that can be built   by storage of memory and access to memory  and analysis of this memory and expression   of this memory everything that you're doing  through your intellect and thinking that is you   can be done by a machine at some point i'm i'm not  the expert to predict when but definitely it can   be done there's no question about that but there's  another dimension of intelligence within the human   being which we refer to as chitta what chitta  means is this is a dimension of intelligence   where there is where it there is not an  iota of memory it is unsullied by memory   what this means is see memory is what has made you  everything that you are you have a human form this   is evolutionary memory you have variety of other  memories that's what makes you a certain kind   of person and so many other things that you are  your professions your capabilities your knowledge   everything is because of memory but  memory is also a defining boundary the moment you identify with your  memory you say oh this is my friend   this one i do not know this is a person  i like this is a person i don't like   this is all memory memory fix fixes a  definition and a defined boundary to your life   what is me and what is you is just a question  of memory that i know this is me and this is you   but there is a dimension of intelligence which we  call as jitter or in modern terminology loosely   it can be called as consciousness not being  conscious as you and me are this is wakefulness   this is not consciousness so this dimension of  intelligence has no memory in it where there   is no memory there are no boundaries to it you  will not do that with a robot do what you want   because everything that can be done by memory  will be done right now 90 or more of humanity   lives by their intellect and their physic  physiological and intellectual capabilities   these things can be built at some point and make  them look very real so once machines start doing   this it is inevitable it is inevitable for you  to explore the deeper dimensions of who you are   right now this has happened in a  significant way in let's say 100 years ago   if you want to be strong if you want to be  successful we thought the best thing was   to build maybe 500 years ago let us say if you  want to be a big man in the place in your town   you had to have big muscles whoever had the  big muscles was a big man strong man there   but now if you have big muscles we will give you  a menial job we don't recognize you one reason   why women have an equal space or reasonably  equal space on the planet today is because   of technology because the power of the muscle has  been neutralized how much brain power do you have   how much intellectual power you have is deciding  things right now but if intellectual power is   again as muscle power was taken by the machines  if intellectual power is taken by the machines   naturally human beings will dig deeper into  their consciousness a machine cannot dig deeper   but everything that you can do a machine can do  in future and that will be a great day because   that means we are on a holiday we don't work  for a living now we look at life in a completely   different way which will be very very significant  in fact for the first time we will become human   beings we must understand why we are called human  beings that means we are the only creatures on   the planet who know how to be as you are saying a  bug knows how to survive better than you without   a social atmosphere many of you will not know  how to survive a bug knows how to survive far   better than you better equipped than you because  he's just focused on his survival but a bug will   not know how to be conscious you can definitely  build a bug it's a it's very interesting that   today in the computer technologies we are using  these words that's a bug it's a virus definitely   the dangers of this are also there as the dangers  of machines are there even today for example the   automobiles are killing more people than wars  every year year after year they're killing   but we've accepted that as collateral damage  it's part of the thing we're traveling faster   so some people will die we have come to terms with  that so similarly maybe we'll have nano soldiers   soldiers who won't be human beings going and  fighting we sit here and let loose on other people   at one phase it will happen these things will be  terrible but even now it's terrible you can just   press the switch here and destroy a whole city  somewhere else it is quite terrible even now so   before such capabilities come or as they are  coming there is no such thing as before and after   as these capabilities are coming we must  also strive to upgrade the human being   to move beyond the limitations of their  intellect intellect and come to a deeper   dimension of intelligence which is life itself  the very source of life itself within us how how can this be done as practice shows and  we're talking about technologies of the future   no technology no technological breakthroughs  no technological evolution uh is changing uh   human nature iphone latest iphones will never  change the fact that people you know have been   killing each other over a piece of land they're  still doing the same they're killing each other   over a piece of land how can we ensure that how  can we resolve this issue because technological   improvements are not improving human beings uh  maybe because the the memory ancestral memory   uh is so strong in us that we still remember how  our ancestors were fighting over a piece of bread   maybe we'll continue doing the same because  of the memory we have say uh the thing is if   anything needs to happen a certain amount of human  energy time and resource has to be dedicated to it   for example somebody was telling me in 1860 when  certain survey was done in united states some kind   of observation probably studying dead bodies and  stuff like that the skeletal systems and things   they said in 1860 nearly 60 percent of the people  would start losing their teeth at the age of 40. and in 1860 nearly 90 97 of united states was  illiterate but today people have their teeth   intact even if they are 90. and today 100 is  literate how does this happen simply because   we invested in what is called as school rooms and  teachers and toothbrushes and mothers we invested   if we did not invest even today we would be losing  our teeth even today we would be illiterate so   we have to invest in consciousness till now we've  been investing only in our survival but once the   technologies that they're talking about starts  becoming a reality which is already becoming   survival will not even be an issue when survival  is not an issue we will definitely start investing   but the sooner we invest with less aberration  we can move into these new possibilities   as dr kaku said it's always a double-edged sword  which way are you going to use it depends on who   you are isn't it so whether your identity and your  experience is very exclusive or your identity and   experience is very inclusive this will determine  which shape and in which way the sword will swing thank you so much we still  have some some time left for   the questions from the audience do  you does anybody have any questions   members of the audience no questions  from the audience no there is one for your really fruitful visions share it with  us my name is konstantin sonkin i am ceo of   startup and research in the field of  neuroscience and my question is to mitchell   dr kaku please you shared with us your long-term  vision about neuro communication and brain   computer interfaces but may i ask you about  like short-term goals for us for developers   what to what to develop first of  all to contribute to daily life of   a large population of consumers to increase  the level of life of humanity thank you you ask a question what are short-term  goals in terms of brain computer interface   well first of all the in the united states  the driving force behind this technology is   the pentagon the pentagon has given 150 million  dollars to create exoskeletons to bypass   the injured spinal cord of soldiers wounded in  afghanistan and iraq so that the human brain   directly communicates with an artificial hand an  artificial leg and can walk and if you saw the   world cup soccer games two years ago in san paulo  brazil the man who kicked the football initiating   the san paulo games was totally paralyzed he  was a quadriplegic he could not walk but at duke   university in north carolina they put a chip  in his brain to hook him up to an exoskeleton   and he kicked the football so the immediate  gains is to for people who are injured   injured in football accidents car  accidents injuries of the spinal cord   injuries in warfare to create an artificial  body controlled directly by the human brain   now my colleague stephen hawking the physicist  who died recently lost control of his fingers   and vocal cords but he could still communicate  and how because his brain communicated with a   chip a radio in his glasses that ship picked up  radio from his brain converted it to electricity   to a laptop computer and stephen was able to think  and write so by thinking he was able to write   books and communicate with the outside world so  here's an immediate benefit for people who are   paralyzed their spinal cord is no longer  functioning they are disconnected from the world   and this will also make possible a brain chip  for alzheimer's patients because we can now   upload simple memories in mice and also in monkeys  simple memories can now be put on the internet   this means that we want to create a  brain pacemaker for alzheimer's patients   so that memories can come flooding into their  brain and the pentagon again recently gave   50 million dollars to create a memory  chip a memory chip for soldiers but also   for alzheimer's patients and so here we have an  immediate market for people who are afflicted with   injuries spinal cord injuries as well as the aging  process to allow them to bypass the spinal cord   to access memories that they've lost and  here is a a market a market for companies   that can utilize this to make money to  create products to alleviate human suffering thank you so much i have a question uh  to satoru i'm very much interested in   your point of view do you think a man  can change his destiny in this life by taking certain steps or do you think his  all his steps whatever he does in his life   uh are related to other lives that  would follow and his transformations   in other words can a person or should  a person try to change his destiny now   or his destiny is preset and whatever he does  in this life will only affect his future lives what uh generally people are calling as destiny  is uh what they largely create unconsciously whatever we do unconsciously we can also  do it consciously if you can move your hand   unconsciously you can also move it consciously   so similarly if you're creating your  life unconsciously you can also create it   consciously if you create something consciously  of course you would make it the way you want it so destiny means are largely unconscious  accumulations taking shape and taking their   own tendencies and leading you on you can make  a conscious destiny when you fail to make a   conscious destiny then generally it gets referred  to as fate fixed destiny but is your destiny fixed   definitely not otherwise why all this effort if  everything is fixed why you and me should live   we could die at our birth and just fine  isn't it it's definitely in your hands   whether you take it in your hands or not is  always the question it's an individual question abdul entrepreneur i have a question   to distinguish that my question is as follows uh  when you said that uh we need to invest in as much   into consciousness as much as in technology  so that consciousness becomes an island   where humanity can preserve itself uh in the light  of the development of robots that's an island   where we can still feel uh like human beings so  my question is uh today there are lots of lots   of infrastructures to invest into technologies  there are startups there are investment funds numerous scientists that are developing different  solutions how can we address the issue of   investing into consciousness or self-consciousness  uh what needs to be done what infrastructure is   there in place what solutions are there to uh  to do that thank you i would i would like to   correct the question a little bit before i address  the question you use the analogy of an island no i want you to understand human intellect is an  island all products of human intellect are small   islands including technology consciousness is the  ocean in which we are existing what consciousness   means is an intelligence not identified with  any memory that means not identified with any   boundary of you and me and this and that see  you must understand this on this planet let's   think of planet but even the planet can be  thought further in this space suddenly systems   have happened stars have happened planets have  happened in the planet life has happened all of   it fundamentally from an intelligence beyond  this material that you're seeing as creation   all of it emerging from almost nothingness it is  in a way nothingness but you must understand the   word nothing by putting a hyphen between no  one thing it's not a thing because it is not   a memory block a memory block is a thing because  it comes with a boundary once there is a defined   boundary it becomes physical existence this is a  dimension of intelligence which has no boundaries   so that is the ocean you're mistaking the  island for a ocean and an ocean for an island   so what do we have to do for it to manifest in  human society is large scale in every generation   of people there have been very conscious beings  but in some generations and in some societies   they have been heard in other societies they have  been ignored the other noise has been much bigger   so it is time we make that voice which refers to a  dimensionless a boundary-less consciousness heard   and methodologies as to how to become conscious as  there are technologies to create well-being in our   surroundings there is a science and technology to  do the same within us so this is not today's thing   this has always been there it's as old as humanity  but in some generations it is heard loudly   in some generations it sings and accordingly  human well-being rises and sinks any amount of   technology if you don't know how to be you still  are not well see look at our own state right now as a generation of people we know more comfort  and convenience than any generation ever knew   in the history of humanity our life is far more  comfortable no generation ever knew these kind   of comforts and conveniences but can you claim you  are the most joyful and fantastic generation ever   no people are becoming neurotic i am not saying  we're worse than other generations but we are not   significantly better for the amount of  toll we have taken on every other life   to have what we want to have so your  technologies will bring comfort and convenience   will not bring well-being it's time to focus  on that because already we are at a place   where technology is going through the ceiling  we are not a matching up it is like right now   your well-being is still determined by what's  around you not what's within you so this doesn't   mean love a neighbor be like this go be a good  person be a noble person this is not about that   your body and your brain should  take instructions from you   if your body and your brain take instructions  from you would you keep yourself healthy and   blissful every moment of your life i'm asking  you if you had a choice definitely you would   so obviously your body and your brain is not  taking instructions from you this means you're   not conscious enough so we have to invest in  the direction one thing is if you walk through   the city i'm sure there are hospitals there are  schools there are toilets and there is everything   but do you have a place where there is a place  for people to meditate there is no such thing   eastern societies invested heavily in the past in  that direction but today they are also emulating   the west and trying to compete with them losing  out on this but the need for inner well-being   will become very strong in the next 20 25 years  when technology starts doing most of the things   that you're doing and you don't know why you exist  then the need for well-being becomes super strong   so if we want to be ready for that day it's  very important that we invest both physical   infrastructure and human infrastructure which  focuses on the innermost core of who we are let me ask you a question for quite a while i  used to think that technological and communication   progress leads to a total solitude over human  yes people can connect via face time but they   become more and more isolated  from each other and inward focused somebody has mentioned those dolls but and  fantasy about what to do with their skills   but the problem is that people may no longer  need each other once the technology when the   technologies develop will it happen  what do you think a hundred years ago   when the telephone was first coming in there  were many articles denouncing the telephone   the telephone they said was impersonal we will  spend too much time talking to this mechanical   voice in the air rather than talking to our  children and talking to our loved ones and   so they said the telephone is evil  well the critics were right we spend   too much time on the telephone we don't talk to  our children enough but the telephone we love it   we love the telephone because it expanded our  horizon from 20 people to 2 000 people and now   mothers come up to me and say their children spend  too much time on the internet what should they do   well personally i think that a new etiquette is  being created for children if you are a child   and you're not on the internet then you don't  exist a new social etiquette is being created   so i tell mothers that it's a good thing if their  child is on the internet otherwise they'll be an   outcast but they have to be socialized  and that's the key to the whole puzzle   we want to make sure that our people  are socialized that they interact with   real people in real time make friends make  alliances and engage in social discourse   so that they can function on several levels on  one level they can function in cyberspace because   a new social etiquette is being created and on  the other hand they can interact with people   socially in in terms of understanding pecking  order etiquette politeness deference to our   elders how to make friends how to make coalitions  all these things are very complicated and we have   to make sure that our children understand that  as well and so the internet does not have to   be an isolated island divorce from the rest of  society if anything it'll expand your horizon from   two thousand people to two billion people and so i  think that we have to make sure that our children   are socialized and take advantage of the internet  because the internet as i mentioned before   promotes democracy and as i concluded before  democracies rarely war against other democracies   so when your child plays video games with somebody  from norway mexico or afghanistan that is a good   thing because in the future they may not want to  war with people from these other countries because   they are their best friends so what i'm trying  to say is a new social etiquette is being created   we have to make sure that we don't hide in  it but on the other hand we have to use it   because that's where jobs opportunity  and new friends are going to be created especially can i just say one thing of course   i think this fear about technology is just  fear about the unknown for most human beings everything that that is new that comes in of  course there will be a certain challenge of   exerting ourselves to understand what it is  it will definitely not create solitude uh the   problem should be more of there will be no room  for solitude that will be the question because   we'll be too much connected people wake up in  the morning and the first thing they see is their   cell phone what are the messages they have it's  fine because the gadget is new i think the next   generation will learn how to handle the cell phone  far better than the way we are handling it because   there's a new gadget we're a little excited about  it i'm sure people will come to terms with us okay last question from the floor   a very simple question i want to ask  both kakosan and sakura we are now in   a situation of unprecedented uncertainty  uncertainty the god has rolled the dice and we know that uh the memories which  we have discussed that uh electricity   electricity generates waves and makes the  heart beat and when the heart no longer beats a   person is that and memory is also an archive  of memories experiences so what should we do   forget everything because the system is  glitching yeah so we have to reboot it   can i ask you for a very short answer please you mentioned that we have constant uncertainty  but i personally think that's a good thing   it's a good thing because new jobs new exciting  occupations new challenges for humanities being   created now i'm generally an optimist why  because i think the smallest unit of history   is the decade anything smaller  than a decade you get random noise   and therefore when we look at the  random noise it looks frightening   every day a new emergency a new crisis but  when you look at history decade by decade   then you begin to realize the enormous progress  and that came through to me every time i talk to   my parents and my grandparents think of the world  that our grandparents lived in where speed travel   was getting stuck in the mud when it rained long  distance communication was yelling out the window   and a good long life meant that  you live to be 45 years of age   that's what the way it was for our grandparents  so i tend to be optimistic when you look at decade   by decade you realize that all the uncertainties  you talk about are fluctuations within the decade have been rolled but whether to forget or to  remember everything well it's difficult to sing   a very short answer please your last comment say  we are complaining about too many possibilities   you must understand in the past uncertainty  meant whether you live tomorrow or not today   your life is largely assured uncertainty is only  in terms of possibilities and new happenings   you must celebrate this not worry about it  because in the past it was always about war   it's about punishment somebody's going  to hang you somebody's going to kill you   it's no more like that there is a proper process  for all those things by accident nobody can simply   kill you or hang you or do things to you now  it is only about possibilities uncertainty   of possibility is a fantastic situation we  shouldn't even ever complain about it especially just two words and we'll be closing this session well that's a very philosophic question you know somebody asked me about what the media would look  like in 80 years from now i thought about that   and i think that it will be  something like selecting your role   emotional behavior model at any point  in time the one that you like backs   best okay thank you so much i want to thank  all our speakers the session is now closed you

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