typically because nobody would talk back to these people they're bound by and my institutional friends will appreciate this they're bound by uh having to be considered respectable by their peers or civil in public discourse and i went out on my own and i didn't have to do that so you know these people start talking about how they want to sexualize children i say okay groomer and i just leave it at that and i clap back at them vigorously and my intention from the beginning was to teach people that you can stand up to these people that you don't have to be bound by these kind of made-up rules of decorum that keep you on your back foot because most of the things that they do are manipulations they have three primary tactics that are all meant to drain you of your ability to stand on your own too the first of those is to make you look stupid to train you of what i call intellectual authority or epistemic authority if you want to get philosophical about it so they know better than you they know the complicated theory you don't even know what anti-racism or systemic racism is you don't even know what how racism really works you're dumb you didn't go to college whatever it happens to be you have a degree in math not social science so they try to drain you of your ability to feel smart enough to be seen as smart enough to say what's plainly in front of your face like that men and women are different like you're not smart it's like you're telling these biologists friends i have i'm like guys nobody needs a biologist to tell anybody that men and women are different like people just know that and so you just instead of letting them drain your intellectual authority you make fun of them they just they said something stupid you make fun of them back second is they try to drain your moral authority they try to make you look like you're a bad person for doing what you did and uh you can't fall into that you're not the bad person for telling the truth you're not the bad person for speaking plainly you're not the bad person for standing up for kids or whatever else you're not even the bad person for using harsh words like a groomer uh or something like that to call out something that you see that's inappropriate and they want to make you look like you're the bad person the third thing they do is try to drain you what i call psychological authority that's where everybody keeps using the word gas lighting it's not really in north carolina you just heard that it's not really here this thing that you're talking about the new newest boogie man on the right so they're trying to make you look crazy trying to make you look like you're a conspiracy theorist in fact the term conspiracy theorist was invented to make people look crazy who were talking about the things that they were doing in conspiracies and again and again and again you troll them to show that you're not afraid of that because you're not going to get that taken away from you and uh the simplest rule is if you're laughing they're losing and so my my kind of general advice if you want to get on social media or whatever and you want to participate in this if you aren't writing something that makes you laugh don't write anything because that's when they got under your skin if you're mad and you're writing a little thing and you're getting all defensive and you've already lost so if you're laughing they're losing and so you what that means is you got to flip it over and make it funny if you're not good at that just go outside and do something better with your time then argue with idiots on the internet because it doesn't matter there's an infinite number of people who are wrong on the internet lots of them are paid to be wrong on the internet lots of them aren't even people they're ai they're built to be wrong on the internet so i just can't let it get to you too much um but yeah i am trying to teach like this is how you attack this thing it doesn't have to be taken seriously you don't have to take it on its terms and you don't have to be manipulated into caring about the things it says or talking about things in the way they say you have to so on and so forth and you can just kind of carry on so i have to deal with every issue area in my job so it's not just crt it's energy it's you know but just this morning i got an assignment i got to look up do a paper on lithium batteries to china and uganda so i'm all over the place and so i look at social media as a little bit of a sport and and like i find in a new area i've got to figure out what the best arguments are i have like maybe 10 in my head but which one's land and which ones are the most effective so there's a little bit of back and forth i try to find a thread where there's leftists there that are willing to engage that i can see what are they going to say and then figure out what the best way are to attack it and then once i figured it out i tried to assert the moral position from the assets so let me give you an example you talk about the border if you're talking about it in terms of we need a secure border there's 20 million illegals in this country immediately the left is going to come out to serve the moral high ground by saying that you hate brown people and blah blah blah so you know what's the way around that well i like to assert from the outset that if you are not for a secure border you are for cartels trafficking children for sex your four uh cartels raping up as as little as as little as a third and as as much as eight tenths of female migrants and so and look we can disagree in here on the position on board or whatever but the point is find the moral high ground stick it to it and then put them on the defense immediately and sometimes you know like getting to james point i'll open up my uh i used to have a bigger twitter thought i deleted it uh when i was working for chip but then so i restarted one when i left and i'm building that one back up but uh one thing i love to do is if they're just going at you you know someone will come in and say well you're a white male that's your opinion and i'll say that is a racist and sexist comment and then just leave it there and go to bed and not even look at the replies and all night long i'll wake up and they will spend all night with all their friends growing at it i'm fully refreshed they have no sleep i get a little bit of a kick out of that knowing that they i won i'm right and then i ruined their entire night knowing that they had to defend the fact that i'm now calling them a racist and sexist so that's a little bit of the beginning you gotta kind of i mean there are serious aspects of it but you do need to have fun with it and understand that the people were truly vile like you know i just get a kick out of maybe ruining their evening that's always fun and so you know max how do you decide or how do you know if someone is entering into a good faith attempt to have a discussion or they're just a troll from the get-go yeah um it's a good question on the social media front i am less of the master or maestro some more kind of constraints a little bit less wannabe temperamentally than james says some of this so i try to have more of my conversations face to face to test out my theories and uh i think maybe you know you you can tell very quickly if somebody you're talking to is totally captured by these ideas or if they are genuinely persuadable in a way that am i richer you can tell like prayer online i think you should probably default to assuming anybody who's going to argue with you online is not really seeking further understanding uh but face to face is very different right and to go back to you know some of the themes i was saying most people who are doing this don't know that they're doing it and so how do you make them realize what it is that they're doing uh and the most the thing that seems to resonate the most with people is simply asking hey did you like use that word five years ago because a lot of people understand at least somewhat instinctively that what has happened politically is downstream of a vocabulary shift and that this vocabulary shift has not been a natural shift in language that has been done through normal human discourse and yes language evolves right but language is very rarely seized and utilized for explicitly surreptitious and subversive purposes the advance of the ideology that james has described has gone entirely by kind of buzzwords buzzwords right words that actually mean the exact opposite of what they appear to mean but then as james pointed out when you call them out of what it actually means they'll say oh no it's what it appears to me so i found that you know asking somebody hey there's a lot of inequity what do you think equity means when did you start hearing that term were you aware that this person defines equity this way isn't it kind of dangerous for there to be this word that might mean this horrible thing that you didn't start hearing until five years ago if you really think it's it's good to advance that i mean and i'm a pretty young guy all things considered a graduate college 11 years ago i never heard the word problematic that word is fundamentally redefined how people think about each other people think about life i never heard the word microaggression uh i never heard the word and i really tried to keep it rubbery at yale 2011 never heard the word transgender it was not a word so when it comes to face to face i found like the most like the most advanced i can make is when you just bring up people like all these words seem different do you know what these words mean do you think that they know what these words mean and then you can you know bring up stuff that's prepared by scholars that you saw found the line but wait this means this that means that aren't you concerned i am and you'll probably get them to actually be a little bit concerned again and as far as uh you know when we counter actually when we're leading right we're taking blackberry over the target as they say um how do you defend your values michelle um while not letting attacks get under your skin how do you do it well first we have to remember that we stand on the right side of history we stand on what is true and i think separating the attacks from a personal attack like people will say things and call me names or say things and i don't even address that i just say it sounds like you're concerned about this is this your issue and i think what um what was just brought up with max is asking questions is huge because most of them do not know how to express these talking points that they have just been downloaded into their mind from watching whatever they're watching on the television and so this is true and i say this to people often there are two ways to govern one is through civil discourse and the other is through force and we need to ask ourselves how do you feel like we are being governed in 2022. i think it's very important to bring it back to and i you know being a follower of christ i believe that the bible is true and i will tell people truth is offensive i don't think i'm offending you i think the truth is offending you and generally speaking uh some this as it pertains to online communications it's mostly holders it's we're not there's not a lot of people who are truly centrist there's mostly people who are on there that have their minds on et cetera so that's a whole different i look at that more as a political this is how we set the way that the the national conversation has taken place that's all and and how to win that because you're up against media who are automatically going to take this the position and the narrative and the wording of the radical left online and they're going to push that and so you've got rest of america who may not be as polarized uh you know and they're generally you know want to know and so there's different audiences there's you know who are you trying to convince your neighbors activist groups elected officials and all of those have a different framework and they all have different interests and centers of gravity that you have to consider when you're trying to convince them sometimes it's very specific like you know this member of congress takes a lot of input from his brother-in-law or his wife and so understanding their positions and that's how you can convince someone of something or someone maybe that's an activist that's very very very passionate about one issue and if you're on their side on that issue they're going to be more willing to listen so it's it's very strategic in terms of being persuasive to get your ideas across and but you're right as much as we can do this to uh in person uh especially on the specific granular level that's going to be way more successful this is why like your door knocking is so highly valued and political operations because online as people in the safety of their own home retreat back to and they're just you know immediately throw it they feel empowered to say anything and everything they want about james i see it all the time they'll make as many you know every claim in the world to call him every name of the book and he's a genuinely nice guy but that's just the the area maybe not i'm just uh i could be wrong and so long story short uh we just have to figure out what avenue we're in but but again you know you don't want to gaslight your friends but online i do think that you need to because that's what creates the you know the discourse on online social media is what kind of creates the the narrative that the media is going to use and so i do think that we have to have a different approach there a little bit more aggressive we need to take the moral high ground because if you can show other people that yeah i'm going to engage in these controversial topics and i'm dominating them and i'm shutting them down and none of their attacks are getting through to my armor and you know through my armor at all other people are empowered and they know how to engage it and they can use elements maybe not the full monty there but they can use elements of this in the workplace you know they can use elements of this with their neighbors and then they they figure out the best ways to kind of defend their culture and in these controversial settings um also a few years ago dan bongino said something that has just resonated with me and he said the conversation that you are having with that liberal lunatic is not for the liberals luna tickets for whoever is listening and so i think we need to remember that too and i think one thing that our nation is in desperate need of is hope and solutions and so instead of us all just talking about how horrible everything is a horrible horrible horrible if we can say you know what i agree with you that x y or z is an issue what would you think if we tried this because i think when we get down to the basis of it especially when we're talking about education if you say to to people across the board regardless of what side of the aisle they find themselves on politically if you say do you agree that the up the objective of k-12 education should be that every child that graduates from our public schools should be ready to enter into the workforce and be financially responsible and be able to express what their worldview is do you agree that they should be able to handle struggle right and deal with people that think differently from them and if you want to go on to college great that's wonderful but after 12 years of us funding an education i think they should be productive members of society by the time they're 18 years old and voted and i think i think everyone would agree with that every sane adult would agree with that so then you take that and you say okay well i think x y or z we should try this idea because this one hasn't worked and you know in education we can you know sloane has done an excellent job of showing the decline in education specifically here in north carolina and when you say okay when did that start oh that was the experiment that we called common core so we did an experiment and it failed so why don't we do this why don't we go back to when we were the greatest educational system in the world and why don't we repeat what we were doing back then right and and it's hard for people to argue with that it's also just very important to draw people as quickly as possible towards reality um i was i was particularly struck by what james said about the uh the student director from california who was going home to a yearbook to study crown outs right in a way that is beyond the scope of this panel that you know if a couple hours we could talk about it for five hours what is the current madness is kind of downstream of assertion of language over reality right um the idea that you should even foreground yourself with a pronoun is asserting that language has privacy over the physical so the sooner that you can draw people's attention back to just real practical concerns which are the kind of things that are pretty likely to catch the person in the middle who's just listening and it's gonna stick and also something that the person who is peddling or pushing this stuff won't really have a clear answer to it right and they're not being inclusive of your viewpoints on gender well and so the the gender thing there's there's something else i mean i said a little bit james a little bit i don't i don't think it can be said enough like there there is no issue on which the other side is more over its skis than this one and it is borderline criminal the degree to which the right has not like seized on the basic physical reality of what is being done and the basic physical reality of what is being done under the name of being affirming which is a great work how could you not be affirming right i don't know because that leads to sterilizing children right we haven't seen that many republican politicians conservative funders because that truth is mean well it's it's terrible it is the reality is meaner and you have to remember that these are these are largely invalid by all you know empirical accounts these are largely autistic or homosexual children uh or just generally socially awkward children who go through a certain phase they would otherwise fall out of and instead of otherwise falling out of that phase they are sterilized uh that is sick it is demonic and the physical and i like i think we could fall far further as a country but i think we'd have to fall a lot further than we're likely to follow these next few years for sterilizing children to pull well um so bring it up and i really don't think people know this i think that what james is saying what i'm saying wait saying i think probably recognition that hormone therapy leads to sterilization i would be shocked if more than five percent of the national populace realizes this at this point and this is a great question for us i have this question as a nurse these children that think that they might be a different gender explain to me why when we have the medical ability to give them a synthetic hormone why are we not giving them their biological hormone why did we automatically jump to you must be in the wrong body because queer theory is a war on the normal that's right that's right it's to invert that which is normal you can't reaffirm what is normal and so this comes back to what max was just saying about reasserting reality um speaking of topics that are too deep to get into without five hours i actually think of marxism in its broadest form as a religion where i know a lot of christians who will understand if you read your gospel of john it's very beginning as in you know it appeals directly to god being the logos the logic of reality the structure of reality as it is right and so what you have with marxism is a religion of pathos to draw the greek parallel which is a religion of feelings and so what you have is a conflict between how somebody feels and what's real and i have a fairly good example about why you shouldn't rely on somebody's feelings it's been very persuasive i'll share it with you but this is ultimately also what we're talking about if you don't want to get into the whole war on the normal career theory thing uh it is because we have to affirm those feelings we have to put feelings ahead of reality we have to put feelings ahead the temporary subjective feelings ahead of that which is you know down the track in reality for these people um the example i give though resonates with people very quickly is if anybody ever knows anybody who has had a panic attack a lot of times i'm mistaken for having a heart attack and if you go to the doctor you say doctor oh my god you know go to the hospital emergency room i'm having a heart attack and the doctor they admit you they really back very quickly they put you and you still doctor doctor doctor get get get the paddles shock me shock me my heart attack and the doctor's trying to hook up an ekg to you because the doctor needs to know if you're having a panic attack or a heart attack and if they give you the paddles when you're having a panic detector going to kill you and your subjective experience your phenomenological interpretation if you want to get really philosophical about it of the the thing you're going through when you're wearing panic attack is a bad arbiter for what's really going on turns out looking up an ekg is way better at telling you what's really going on and that's why the doctor is going to do it if he's worth anything so when you start looking at that should the doctor affirm the feelings of the person coming in and spouting off and saying having a heart attack or should the doctor do the rudimentary test to make sure they bring in the right treatment that resonates with people immediately and it's very easy to then go from that example into other examples and say you know why are we taking the word of an upset 12 year old about how they feel on a particular day as a reason to engage in absolutely life-changing behaviors for them you know we wouldn't let them get into the tattoo and we're going to let them you know cut off their breasts or undergo hormone therapy or whatever else why on earth we do that to affirm their feelings um it's not any different than somebody going to the heart attack or going to the doctor saying having a heart attack and in reality what they're having is a subjective feeling caused by an emotional response that mimics that feeling physic physiologically for them what would kill them if they were treated for a heart attack can be put on like statins or something like that would be a horrific idea you wouldn't put people in those drugs so bringing it to that kind of level can help bridge that disconnect finding real examples of of other things where your feelings are not the best arbiter of reality your feelings they love this word valid your feelings are valid no that your feelings just are there are emotional responses happening in your limbic system they are not valid or invalid it's not invalidating you to say the way you feel right now is not the best way to react to the situation you're in every toddler that's ever decided to throw themselves on the floor in the store and kicking screen their feelings were not the best argument of deciding whether or not they should leave the store with their mom right now you know and so bringing these kinds of examples back to drag people back to reality to get them back if you want to be christian divided to the logos and out of the pathos where they're lost in this sea of feelings i think is incredibly important to winning over minds and to the other point that was raised every minute you spend arguing with some leftists on the internet or wherever else i always get asked how do you convert these people i don't know you don't maybe you're talking to them for an audience but what i found is that there are 10 or 20 people out there who i can talk to who are interested to figure out what the world's going on right now who will hear me and we'll go look into it and are reachable versus this one person who doesn't want to be reached and if i get 20 people away from what's going on in the amount of time i would have wasted squabbling with one person who's not going to change their mind anyway you know that's that's a gigantic win for me so focus your resources also you know i don't try to convert will be but okay that's your belief great okay and i just go find other people to talk to because they're spouting nonsense and i don't have time for that frankly so so one thing i want to build on because i was getting ready to say part of that although in words that were way smaller and more simple because i don't know i don't know what half those words mean so there's two you know scenarios here on how you can kind of address someone who disagrees with you if there's a serious like they're seriously they have like they disagree and they want to know why you don't agree with them i think there's power and and pointing out to them kind of the logical uh problems with some of the arguments they're asserting you just outlined a couple of them you know and if they're if they're just not and this is gets more into the meaning of of of conversations you know there's a more sarcastic and it's not that it's funny it's funny and how absurd it is but you know getting back to the gender thing you know you can throw their terminology right back at them in a way that shows just how ridiculous they are so if if you know they want you to use gender pronouns you can say well you know i don't believe that you're not affirming my deeply held position on this and i feel that's a microaggression and i am now triggered by this and that that's a form of discrimination and you know just throw it in their face put them on the defense uh you know is that going to be effective and it changes their mind no they're just going to dislike you but it is effective and kind of meaning the absurdity of that entire world view and how dumb it is not necessarily effective in changing uh uh you know academic uh conversations that will probably solve no problems there but it is it is helpful in kind of memeing the political conversation and and assisting and pushing it into the absurd so that it's not considered serious because it's really not serious when you have a serious conversation to unwind it it's observed so so you really have to go to do a lot of work especially people might you don't know this on the level that these two gentlemen do uh so that's i do a lot of that and then activists go out and take it from there and push that at the micro level that really can't work i'll tell you um right at the end of 2020 i created on the internet critical election theory and i literally just copied all the verbiage critical race theory like word for word and change it you know election fraud is systemic anybody who benefits from election fraud is going to continue to prepare perpetuate election fraud they're complicit i had all these people be really mad seeing that i was claiming that um the election was stolen because it was but i wasn't actually as a matter of fact what i was doing was you know throwing back in their face the model of argumentation about critical race theory everything's racist because blah blah blah well the election was clearly stolen because blah blah blah so anybody who would come these big journalists with their blue checks and their fancy pants and all these things would come and try to dunk on me and then i just would say something else like oh you're just showing your election fragility political stamina to deal with the fact that you're in a political environment that you don't like yourself you know all just to hear their language oh and what what it showed thousands upon thousands of people who got the joke was that they have created a false form of argumentation where they're just basically always right and you can defend any proposition that way if you wanted to and so throwing it back in their faces that way even if it's just for the joke is a worthwhile tactic it takes a little bit of cleverness but if you figure out just a little bit of how they argue everything um calling basically anything they say to you a microaggression it's kind of funny to see what they do with it and you will not make friends that way though you'll make friends with us and i have this for conspiracy theory everyone that wants to call you conspiracy theorists this is my response i say you know what um it's only a theory until there are the facts to prove it was a conspiracy um and i think people have just come to the idea that conspiracy theory is one word you know like like it really doesn't exist i'm like what you don't understand is we have an idea that maybe people were conspiring to do evil against us and now we have the proof that they were conspiring so you're right it's no longer a theory it's just a fact future yes that's good yeah exactly so i mean i think look the that we will need to enter these discussions um is it as a foregone conclusion we have to right i mean again i talked earlier in the day about the overton window we've talked about it all day and that window of what becomes politically acceptable um that only shifts by people it doesn't shift by legislative it shifts with people and in order to do that you've got to go back and um and carry that message with you and so one way to do it that we're talking about is to put yourself on stage right to put yourself on stage and model if you will how to have those discussions so that you can have the courage um others can have the courage to do that but you're going to to have to to get into these discussions and so you know these are the ways to do it um doing it in person is great um you know doing it at work can be risky but again i think a lot of people and suit are your perfect examples who there was a teacher here in this district the charlotte midfielder school district um when we met a year ago and um she was a teacher who had been brave standing for nine years and finally had enough and said i'm going on fox news which yeah which and had to weather the storm but you know there's a defining moment for all of us um and i you know the thing about our board um at efa is every one of us have been cancelled and have come out the other side it was very important to to me to put together a board that could you know and our thing is we're not going to ask you to do anything we haven't done except for we've been canceled but living through that and our job really with this organization is to make people actually confront look you know when you train in martial arts if you've done that um the best thing to do is get punched in the face readily right away because then you don't fear it right right and so we're here to help get you to the other side of that but you know these you know academics influencers candidates here um can help you because they're modeling doing just that right and so they've tried to cancel every one of us right i mean uh but we're still here and you're gonna be canceled by people in your own party by the way yeah yeah uh horizontal oppression is real definitely is and so but don't let that um don't let that daunt you don't let that get you down um you know it's important to um to we don't like to ask for help a lot of times but reaching out and saying look you know i'm being crossed here by somebody i thought was in my own tribe what's going on right and so are you giving out your number for when we need to get this one well i i don't i you know i deal with that a lot i deal with a lot of former friends um it's a wonderful feeling uh you have to kind of develop an attitude of gratitude when a former friend shows you that they weren't really your friend because they were only your friends so long as you agreed on everything um so i have developed that attitude and it is difficult at first but then you realize you know um and not to get it's funny that i always wax biblical but uh the truth is that you know when god called gideon he went and he took his army and they like took him down to the water and i forget which way the drinking went but everybody who drank wrong had to go home so gideon has this way small army and they go down and god's like get rid of the stupid ones because you're going to fail if you go to war with them and so he ends up with like 300 people or whatever paraphrasing that's exactly how it's written that's exactly that's a different translation um that's true so you can't get too upset about that uh a separate and unrelated point that i want to bring up though is that the the biggest hard the biggest challenge that we often face is people present this stuff we want to bring people back to reality we want to we want to do that the problem is is arguments tend to polarize they tend to get people oppositional one another we've heard some really great advice about asking questions instead that's very powerful i cannot urge you strongly enough to support people and i'm sorry dad you're probably not that funny but the support people are genuinely funny to get comedy that's effective about the stuff out there because what actually changes hearts and minds is the ability to have an offering to laugh at yourself for your own stupid beliefs so i agree with max's hypothesis that the vast majority of people who are perpetrating this do not know what they're perpetrating they're going along with it i think it's integral to being a good person they've caught up with a fad whatever it happens to be some of both some of all maybe they've imbibed a little bit of it maybe they bought into a little but if they can laugh at themselves and maybe you're not the person to make them laugh themselves or maybe jp sears is right so you find somebody who's funny who's brought up this topic and you get him to laugh a little bit i am still utterly convinced that for all of the power and all of the magic and all of the the things that matter that happened with the civil rights movement the peaceful protests the passages of the laws etc that people like richard pryor and eddie murphy did this this racial comedy that tour that gave white people who were still racist the ability to laugh at themselves for their racism did more to to drop racism in this country than probably any other thing laws actually just make people mad i mean we're in the south but we still fly this to the flag because i mean i get it but if you can give people who are stuck in this and maybe you aren't the one to make the joke maybe you are but if you find comedy that makes you laugh about it and you share that with people the easiest way to off-ramp them from this ideology or any ideology is to get them to be able to laugh about it and to see that it's silly and in that sense kind of forgive themselves for participating in it because otherwise you're going to try to save face so if you say conditions of your argument you're participating in communism which i do all the time then they're going to say i'm not participating and they get you're going to get their back open as well but if they start laughing about it it's a completely different circumstance so try to promote humor um and if you're bad at jokes or which means if you think you're good at jokes and one important thing to remember is we all have different roles so we're not going to have the same social media persona and that's completely fine like max is going to have a completely different persona than me and james of course uh you know i think you just in a minute your own unique silo persona which is awesome uh but so we don't all have the same we don't all have the same mandate and we all have different responsibilities for what we're trying to achieve and so that's going to take different uh different strategies a journalist called me the donald trump of intellectuals stable genes i think i've called you a stable genius no wait i called you a statement genius uh i don't want james to have a monopoly on biblical illusions marxism is a form of a religion um he is not the first person to say this the first person by the person who said it best to my taste was whitaker chambers a man who literally was a communist agent um became a convicted american christian patriot accused somebody conspiracy theory of being a communist agent who actually was split the country but he said that marxism is the second oldest religion known to mankind founded when the serpent whispered to eve ye shall be as gods right and i think that that is something depending on who you're talking to right like a little bit of appeal to a little bit of old religion very basic stuff can con that was a big reaction i got from this room this is the self-like room but i think a lot of people can see that within this there is just a movement for man who tried to assert himself as a god over others to invent a theory of man to invent a theory of man this is all pretty new stuff in some way uh and then to try to impose it from a position of authority now it takes a lot to do that it takes a lot of social power a lot of capital stuff james tweets about all the time i mean it's taken hundreds of millions billions of dollars over the course of many years to kind of beat people into trying to accept it it's not going to take that much to flip it because it is all very stupid because people aren't very smart we're smart people no offense we're not very smart people aren't very smart we can't really create an account of ourselves and other people live ahead of it and expect not to get mocked uh for very long unless the you know the the the other side manages to control the means of production to which is attempted but which it will fail so there is a certain tone depending on your talking to maybe it's just saying doesn't this feel kind of evil to you i think a lot of people will be like how evil that's a word i remember when that word used to be a common lexicon um or as james said you know make fun of other people who are more woke than your friend who might be dabbling with it and let them see the absurdity of that and nobody likes being laughed at a lot of this is kind of has cultural cachet because if you don't agree with it you'll be called a bad thing that can be flipped if you agree with it you look ridiculous and i think we're in the process of doing that and you know if the time will turn it will turn partly towards partly from you know an appeal to god in the basics and partly from just mocking the stupidity of mankind trying to claim the ideas of god i'll give you a good example of the humor that just popped in my head but first i'll tell you i think the first reference to marxism being a religion was actually made by karl marx who originally had titled the communist manifesto the confession of communist faith until engel said that's a little too on the nose carl don't do that the original title for the communist manifesto was a confession of faith for communist ideas so certainly marx was the first to name it but a good example of giving it somebody something to laugh at i was talking with this fellow unfortunately the podcast got eaten by the machine and it wasn't a lie it really did but i did a podcast with a guy that's pretty far left his name is josh steps he's a very nice man from australia i think he's a confused man but we were having a conversation he's telling me the story about how he thinks crooker's theory is important they're at this barbecue with his friends he said and somebody ends up telling a joke there's a little rage lay off color and somebody got all offended and they called him out and said you know i was a little bit racist and then you know he's telling me the story is like bad side is that the barbecue kind of fell apart we weren't really having fun and everybody kind of went home and i said well i have an important question for you about this and he said okay well i said was the joke funny and he started laughing yeah actually it was and i was like racist and he cracked up he cracked up because he knew that i caught it man exactly that kind of thing though was the joke funny that you know somebody told her a school was a joke funny uh and then when they when they say yes because they thought it was funny of course then you point out that that implicates them in the thing that they think is great that was just you know one little example of the kind of things that you want to kind of look for those opportunities if you're going to become you know in this conversation with somebody who's kind of in the middle middle of the road but i agree 100 with what max just said i invoke the story of genesis 3 very frequently um this is the oldest battle in humanity it is the oldest spiritual battle in humanity and whether we want to frame in terms of logos versus pathos reality versus fiction or language whatever we want to frame it and it's the exact same thing it's the idea in marx's ontology of man or theory of man is in fact just exactly that man makes man by making society that makes man in its turn um with the purpose of making man increasingly socialist is in fact exactly the whisper of the serpent we shall be as gods and you can read that throughout their literature so you you if you want to know what story you're in go read genesis 3 you're in that story and see what you can do and to keep your children from eating the apple uh that's basically what's being offered and of course the absurdity of that is you don't even need crt at all to oppose racism it has nothing to do with opposing racism so you know that that's just struck me that he thought you'd need that system and framework to to oppose racism but anyways well thank you guys for coming this is uh the end of the program i want to thank you guys very much to have this much brain power in one room is really for this movement it's a turning point it is an opportunity that no one in the country has had so i want to thank you for giving us that and we take it as a great responsibility to do something great and to be the shining light for every other state in this
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