Senators Want Access to "Non-Earth" Technology - Need to Know (07-08-23)
NeedToKnow.today #NeedToKnow Hey everybody and welcome to the latest episode of Need to Know. I'm Bryce zabel and I am on the road! I started I think last week in Roswell for the Roswell Festival. I'm now road tripping through Las Vegas and I'm on my way back to Los Angeles. Probably we'll be there by the time you folks get around to watching this but in any case I wanted to not only welcome my partner in crime here Ross Coulthart but to congratulate him. Ross I gotta tell you man I just got back from Roswell and a little podcast named what was it?... oh yeah... "Need to Know"... it won "Best Web Series" at the Roswell Film
Festival. So congratulations! That's great to hear, mate, congratulations back to you. Another one for the Man Cave! Fantastic! Then I will put it on the wall absolutely well I do I actually do have your um you know your little uh trophy or whatever I'm afraid to send it to you knowing what the mail cost between our two countries but I'll give it to you in person when you're next here anyway it was uh it was a lovely festival and and I have to say not only is it hot in Roswell but it's interesting in Roswell because here is a place that's 76 or 77 years ago had the Roswell crash happen there and for years uh the people at Roswell have been having the parades and the the little green costumes and all that kind of stuff and they still do that don't get me wrong but there's a nuisance in Roswell that actually they don't have to sort of pretend or apologize or cover up they actually are the place where this thing happened and it did happen with a non-human intelligence and we know that Ross because in your exclusive interview with Dave grush he basically said so sure he did yeah I mean I think there's a a real possibility now that Roswell needs to be properly investigated by the Congressional oversight committees and I guess that's what we should make our Focus about very much today Bryce is the the possibilities the speculation that there's going to be some kind of congressional hearing or hearings but before I go any further Mater I've just got to ask you are you in a house is that a casino entrance or something I'm in Las Vegas you are perpetuating the mythology that I grew up with watching 90210 that gorgeous what was the name Jenny Garth and it always seems to me that every house in America was always gigantic and and we mere mortals done in the antipodes would look on in ore these gigantic American houses well this is a large house it kind of looks like I'm in a hotel lobby uh right now the way I've got it framed I will say this Ross I could tell you that all American houses look like this but you know better so I'm very lucky to be here and I'm going back to my own smaller house soon so let's talk about this I mean since you and I last spoke obviously there's the ongoing ramifications of the David grush interview that I did with David and Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal did with David and it's well over a month now since David gave his interview and we know that there's been really no significant attempt at all by the Pentagon to lay any serious love on his credibility as a witness and I think the the public a fast coming to the realization that there's something here uh I think perhaps let's start with the extraordinary comments made by Senator Marco Rubio and I I think the the interview he did with news Nation on the 24th of June is probably going to go down as a historical Turning Point basically when he was asked about the allegations of David grush he said look most importantly more importantly the Inspector General and he means of the intelligence Community has referred it to Congress so they got they go to the Inspector General of the intelligence community and they have an obligation if they found it if they find it to be an urgent concern a credible and Urgent concern their job is to refer it that's Mr grush's allegations to Congress and they have done so um and then he goes on it's really interesting is that the gist of any whistleblower testimony is that the intelligence agencies are doing something wrong and in his case and this has been publicly reported the argument is that what they're doing wrong is they're not appropriately disclosing to Congress money that has been spent on programs and the like now I want to caution everybody that under the law you have to have first-hand knowledge that doesn't mean the person isn't telling the truth but it simply means technically as a technicality if you don't have first-hand knowledge of what you're claiming so I can say that someone told me something did something wrong and I have good reason to believe it because I've heard it from a lot of different people and they're saying the same thing but unless you have first-hand knowledge of it sometimes you can get caught in a technicality and that doesn't mean the things he's saying are not useful to the Congress sure but either what he's saying is partially true or entirely true or we have some really smart educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and leading us on a goose chase you know one of these things is true the the Rubio interview I've seen all of the interviews that Marco Rubio has done and this one really was a A Cut Above in addition to everything that you just said I wrote down a couple of things that he mentioned that really stood out to me you were talking about the fact that there are other whistleblowers which he confirmed not only did he say that Dave grush sounded pretty uh pretty authentic but he said that there were other people some of whom had first-hand experience of this technology it's a pretty radical thing to say and uh he was trying to protect some of these people who are coming forward Under The Whistleblower protection act and one thing he said in particular that this one I did write down he said some of these people still work in the government and frankly many of them are fearful fearful of their jobs fearful for their clearances and uh fearful at harm coming to them I mean the this is getting very very serious and it does corroborate as you say it's corroborating what David Rush told me which is absolutely Witnesses who fear for their lives their lives are being threatened right that interviewed people that that interview you did uh not only did it Ricochet around the world that nearly the speed of light I will tell you this I went to Roswell as we just said to give a speech and my speech I started two months earlier was called Close Encounters of the Hollywood kind well frankly uh you threw a bomb into the middle of my speech too because by the time I got to Roswell I realized nobody wanted to hear that speech so I ended up talking about David grush uh the entire time and taking questions and people are really intrigued by him they believe him by and large I didn't see anybody there I thought that was overly critical and they know that more is coming and uh boy I we'll get into this more as we go forward today but I don't think in my lifetime there has ever been a time where things feel as imminent as they do now now I realize there are people that say all the time well they put it back in the Box before let's not get ahead of ourselves they might do it again but nothing has ever looked on the political and social and cultural landscape the way this thing does right now the issue of UFO UAP reality is while not on everybody's Minds it's on the minds of a lot of people who are very important and have very important positions and these other people are coming forward to talk and it is a great time to be alive I agree with you I mean it's not just Senator Rubio who's making comments you've got people from both sides of the house Rubio of course is a Florida Republican but obviously Senator Kirsten gillibrand has come forward in her own way she's she's come up with this proposed legislation a bill which would toughen up the reporting requirements on particularly private aerospace companies that may or may not be holding some kind of anomalous technology and in the fiscal year 2024 intelligence authorization act she's proposing legislation which would require any person currently or formally under contract with the federal government that has in their possession material or information provided by or derived from the federal government relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena that formally or currently is protected by any form of special access or restricted access to notify the director of the all domain anomaly resolution office Arrow within 60 days of enactment and to provide within 180 days that's six months quote a comprehensive list of and this is this is just so cool and for all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material possessed and to make it available to the arrow director for assessment analysis and inspection that is proposed legislation being put before the Congress in the intelligence authorization act as a bill for passing and moreover it has been unanimously supported by every member of the Senate Select Committee for intelligence I also understand the same language will be endorsed or has already been endorsed by the house um Services committee and I'm told that in the next few days this coming week the um uh Senate Services committee will also endorse the same language so you will have three of the most powerful oversight committees in the Congress endorsing legislation that in blacker and white is talking about non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material and bringing it out into public view astonishing let's just take a moment here folks and consider this there is legislation that is coming out of the U.S Congress that talks about technology of non-earth origin I mean wow uh we've gone from the government telling us there's nothing to see here to the government demanding to know what people know and I I just uh want to put one thing out there Ross I just want to highlight the two things that really jump out at me okay first you basically have to disclose what you've got if you've got something in 60 days that's a two-month clock on somebody and then you basically have to show your cards within 180 days in half a year so we are talking about a I guess what I would call it an indirect disclosure that is currently on Rails and it does shock and amaze and yet it is happening folks it's happening right now and as to whether this legislation will pass I know you could always argue uh well we don't know if it'll make it out that language that you're reading is likely to be passed as is or almost as is it'll be passed by the Senate and the house and it will be signed by Joe Biden and what it also means is that that's when the clock starts from the moment that Biden takes a pen and signs something then the clock starts on on the companies that might have information about this non-earth technology to come forward I'm still I'm in shock this broke when I was at the Roswell festival and man people are talking um a couple of other things that I'd love to point people to in this proposed legislation it would actually require as soon as a company comes forward with this information and reveals to arrow that it is in possession of such technology um he would the arrow director and then of course is Dr Sean Kirkpatrick he would be obliged to notify the designated congressional committees and leaders within 30 days after receiving such notifications information or exotic materials and the intelligence legislation also includes what might be called a safe harbor provision providing that if such a person complies with the notification and make available deadlines no criminal or civil action May lie or be maintained in any federal or state court against any person for receiving UAP related material or information now what that well the implications of that are enormous it's already sounded like a lawyer for a moment but it suggests implicitly that if they don't come forward with this information there could very well be criminal or civil action taken against private aerospace companies that don't honor their statutory obligation under this proposed bill so it's essentially the Congress turning up the heat in quite a dramatic way and yet again my friend I have to say I wonder whether the Congress knows something we know that David grush has given evidence in camera we know that other Witnesses from within the Legacy program have allegedly also given evidence in camera both to the Congress and also to the inspectors General and so there's joint corroboration both before the inspectors General and the Congress from people who corroborate allegedly what Mr grush is saying and the Congress knows this and I think this is why we're seeing a very clear signal from people such as Senator Marco Rubio senator Kirsten gillibrand all of a sudden there's been a change of temperature that Congress is turning up the heat I I don't actually wonder if Congress knows something I believe strongly that they do and that's what's uh causing them to hit the gas pedal even Rubio uh in that interview we started talking about said some of these claims are beyond the realm of anything we've ever dealt with in other words he's admitting these are pretty crazy things but they hear them from uh they're hearing them from other people and what he said when talking about the people who would back up what David grush said and this is a quote he said what incentive would so many people with that kind of qualification have to come forward and make something up so I think the lights are coming on and people are demanding information I wanted to just clear up one thing sometimes we use the acronyms here and we don't explain them so I do you know when we talk about arrow and the reason I'm doing this by the way Ross is that we have so many new viewers now because of the uh the grush situation that I want to welcome them to the show and and tell them that when we talk about Arrow we are talking about a new government group called The all domain anomaly resolution office and that is the one that he was talking about run by Sean Kirkpatrick and um I you know this legislation by the way to jump back to that really feels like good cop bad cop to me the the good message is hey if you tell us what you know then we'll go easy on you and things will be okay and if you don't then the hammer is going to come down and that is let's face it that's what prosecutors do to get people to talk and and it looks like our Congress has the same idea so wow uh here we go there is more there is more in this in this proposed Bill the the Jilla brand Amendment also has a sweeping prohibition on any future direct or indirect funding for any special access program activity related to unidentified anomalous phenomena um as that term is broadly defined in the law and that includes interestingly enough transmedium objects unless the program has been formally officially explicitly and specifically described explained and Justified to the appropriate Committees of Congress Congressional leadership and the director of Arrow now this is important because it's absolutely explicit in the interview that I did with Mr grush and it's explicit in allegations that go back many decades that there are allegedly secret crash retrieval reverse engineering programs that are operating largely in private Aerospace but with the knowledge of key individuals in the defense and intelligence community that have not been properly disclosed to Congress and I can't begin to speculate about why if this is true such programs have been kept confidential but what's interesting is the Congress as a result of this legislation is turning off the tap imagine that imagine if you're a private Aerospace company and you've been funded secretly by a black program for I don't know 50 60 years to try and reverse engineer technology that was gifted to you by the the federal government way back when and all of a sudden you're told no more funding guys all your Security will no longer be paid for all of the buildings everything the electricity the gas bill it's all being turned off until you fess up and admit that you have possession of this technology what it implies explicitly is that the Congress is aware of a strong suspicion possibility that this might just be true and this is where I'm just still incredulous Bryce and I'm sorry I sound like a scratchy record on this I'm still incredulous that this is not yet attracting the interest of the front pages of major newspapers because it is momentous this is this is legislation that that is basically damning private companies that are hiding information that ought properly to be within the purview of the Congress now the one thing I do caution is I'm told by my sources in Congress it's going to take a while I know a lot of people are hopeful that we'll see hearings in the next few weeks but really there's only about two weeks left in the current settings of the Congress before they all go away on holiday for the long summer in America I am beginning to think that it might be decided that it would be better to put all the possibilities of hearings off until September and I'd be I'd be very surprised if we're going to see substantive hearings before September I know uh Congressman Tim burchett from Tennessee was hopeful that they might be able to have a public hearing before then and that might happen it might happen in the house oversight committee but just to explain and this is no disrespect to Congressman representative burchett the problem with the oversight committee is it just doesn't have the membership who have the credentials the security clearances that are high enough even in their own staffers to allow them to hear a lot of the evidence that people like Mr grush would like to give there are only certain key committees in the Congress mainly the armed services and intelligence committees that have the security clearances both in their membership and in their staff that allow them to hear highly classified information particularly very classified special access programs so I'm beginning to wager I mean we don't know yet for sure but I'm I'm wagering that this is going to take a while and it might be a few months yet before we start seeing some answers I I completely agree and the truth is Ross I can live without public hearings right now because I I want them to get a little more wound up and ready to have them because the last two have been the one in on May 17th of 2022 uh and then the most recent one um to me they were kind of people call them nothing Burgers they were a little more than that but obviously the Congress has one idea about what people can talk to them about uh behind closed doors where everybody's classified and under oath and another where they're going to be public hearings so I'd like them to get their act together Bridget by the way was one of the speakers at Roswell and uh you know he clearly is chomping at the bit to talk about this but you are correct there is a security issue between um his committee and the Intel committees um I I I will just say this and and you know you're talking about sounding like a scratchy record I'm afraid I'm gonna do this too but I just think the horse is out of the barn on this issue now not everybody knows this yet but um I remember writing A.D after disclosure with Richard Dolan and this was like a decade ago
and we kicked around the idea of well how is this actually all going to happen and we were we were always sort of hung up on the idea and as we put it that disclosure of UFO UAP reality was impossible and yet at the same time it was inevitable and I personally think we are wrapping up the impossible part of this for a number of people it's becoming very clear that this is all true or at least enough of it is true that it's mind-boggling and I think we are in the inevitable stage we we haven't had the disclosure that we're you know no one's given us as I say terabytes of hard drives uh with with all the evidence on it but I don't need that I want confirmation and I think honestly we're pretty close to official confirmation and and in terms of disclosure I mean come on the the reason that the the Senators and and the the Congress people are talking the way they're talking is because they have heard things they have heard about this reality and what they're out to do right now is to find the way to tell that story uh they want to know the details as well they should because a lot of them are super angry right now they're super angry that it is starting to emerge that Congress uh the representatives of the people of the United States of America have been kept in the dark just like everybody else for many many many decades and they're not going to have it anymore and frankly I'm thrilled because I reached that conclusion about two decades ago myself I'm just not going to have this anymore you're mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore I think I mean come on I mean listen Russ it's like okay look we have to pay lip service to the idea that well you know we got to wait for all the evidence to come in and we have to check things out but let's face it David grush for one was well vetted you vetted him uh very well I saw you do it I know the work you put into it also Leslie Kane Ralph Blumenthal did the same thing we know that David grush as you said nobody has really laid a glove on the guy when it comes to tarnishing who he is or why he was qualified so then you have to look at what he's saying and what he is saying is again crash wreckage intact craft bodies and reverse engineering largely through aerospace companies and let's face it there are 10 or 12 or 15 or God knows how many people behind him because there is a a sense among not everybody on the inside but enough people on the inside that this simply can't continue any longer and the question I think is no longer whether it's true or not at least to me but are we going to rip the Band-Aid off all at once and just kind of soak in whatever the reality is or are we going to try to meter out that reality because that seems to be what's going on right now people are confirming by degrees that we are dealing with as Dave grush put it a non-human intelligence and probably more than one well well let's get on with that man yeah you know it's it's funny though Bryce because whilst I think you're right I think it's true that the Congress will eventually get to learn the truth about these allegations because they already have the truth sitting in transcripts of witness depositions that have already been given there's still a big question in my mind as to whether or not the people presiding in the various congressional committees will take the view that the public the American public and indeed the rest of the world should be told what they know and and I think eventually if as this law this proposed Law requires the director of Arrow has to notify the congressional committees and Leadership eventually of course it will leak from within the Congress but I just want to draw your attention to a provision that's in this proposed legislation that I think goes to the heart it's very much a statement of intent by certain Senator gillibrand and the members of the Senate Select Committee for intelligence it's called the sense of Congress subsection and it sets out if you like the motivations for why the committee and indeed now three committees if I'm right are taking this View and turning up the heat to try and get to the truth they assert that quote due to the increasing potential for technology surprise from foreign adversaries and to ensure sufficient integration across the United States industrial base and avoid technology and security stove pipes the federal government must expand awareness about any historical exotic technology antecedents previously provided by the federal government for research and development purposes so there are implications behind this my friend it suggests implicitly that the federal government has lost track of historical exotic technology antecedents that were previously provided by it to somebody in private Aerospace I actually suspect the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and is the government is Joe Biden as president is he aware of the implications behind this legislation because frankly it makes him and his leadership look ridiculous you've got a government are they in charge who's in charge I mean the Congress if it's not careful will make a political Mountain out of this it's why Senator Rubio's jumped on this I'm sure he can see political capital in the fact that the government is being less than honest with its electorate clearly the Congress has already become aware of something and clearly both sides of the house decide now both in the um in the chamber sorry in the house and also in the Senate they've clearly decided to take a bipartisan view on this and this is what's being missed I I really don't get why uh both the political leadership the executive leadership in America the president and his some security advisors aren't seizing the ball by the horns and saying you know what we've got to get out ahead of this because otherwise this is going to become a political game and people will exploit it for political advantage I don't care if Congress decides that they maybe shouldn't tell the public because if they don't we're going to tell ourselves what's going on and we'll vote the whole lot of them out of office if they don't cooperate um so I'm not as worried about that I do think though um it's it's easy and it's tempting because God knows we need some bipartisan cooperation in this world and every time we see something that might be labeled as bipartisan it feels good it makes me happy when I see people on both sides of the aisle cooperating and it is true for every Marco Rubio there's a Kirsten gillibrand and for every Timber Chet there's an Andre Carson on the other hand though I don't hear as many Democrats speaking out about this as I do Republicans and I certainly don't see um the media that you might expect to be uh you know looked at is something supporting blue States Or democrats speaking out as much as I've seen some of the uh the the more conservative media so I I hope it does become completely bipartisan because God knows if there's any issue in the entire universe that ought to bring people together it ought to be that the fact that we realize we're not alone and there are other non-human intelligences not out there someplace but right here on Earth so whatever but I do have a question for you uh Ross as you've read this astonishing language and and honestly I I feel like both of us and everyone else I'm talking to these days we sort of have to pinch ourselves and say is this is this actually happening right now as fast as it appears to be happening anyway you read that astonishing language and that when I started asking myself is who actually wrote that language and I know that there's been people talking about well maybe melon did maybe Elizondo maybe grush but I feel like my friend uh an investigator Ross goldthart might actually know who who had a hand in it what do you think oh look I know it's come of course from Senator gillibrand and the uh the Senate Select Committee for intelligence and I'm told that it's a unanimous piece of Bill a legislation proposed by the ssci and it's extraordinarily significant that the house armed services committee and I'm told pretty soon the Senate armed services committee three of the most powerful committees in Congress are going to get behind it there's there's one other bit of legislation proposed though mate which I love it but I think it's got Buckley's chance as we say in Australia of getting up okay and it's an amendment proposed by Tim burchett God bless him and he put up an amendment which requested that no later than 180 days after the enactment of this act the Secretary of Defense should declassify any documents and other records in the position of the Department of Defense relating to publicly known sightings of UAP period good on you Tim I'm all for it but I think there's Buckley's chance ever that kind of legislation passing can you imagine how much data they must have oh well I agree with non-uap that doesn't sound likely but you know I always sold your feet to the fire not on your UFO speculations but on your your phrases like Buckley's chance you've got to run that past me who's Buckley and why does he give a chance about this oh my god I've forgotten who Buckley was it's an Australian saying and I've I've got no idea I'm gonna have to look it up I'm sure some of our Australian viewers will be able to elucidate us listen there's one other bit of um legislation that is coming up by June next year I think by June next year if this legislation is enacted if this goes if this bill goes into the intelligence uh laws uh at the end of this year um it does mean that June 2024 is very much going to be a D-Day because also in June 2024 don't forget that the ndaa the National Defense authorization Act is also requiring Arrow the all domain anomaly resolution office to provide by the 20 the end of June 2024 a comprehensive report to Congress on government involvement in UFO matters go going back to January 1 1945. the report is to include among other things any program or activity that was protected by restricted access that has not been explicitly and clearly reported to Congress and any efforts to obfuscate manipulate public opinion hide or otherwise provide incorrect unclassified or classified information about unidentified anomalous phenomena or related activities that report is due at the end of June 2024 it requires the Comptroller General who heads the Gio the governmental Accounting Office an arm of Congress to monitor the progress of the study and to periodically verbally brief designated lawmakers and my thanks to Dean Johnson for the comprehensive analysis that he's done on the implications of Senator gillibrand's legislation proposed legis legislation this legislation if it goes through in combank in conjunction with the ndaa requirements for a report it means that June next year this time next year is going to be a momentous period in history because we will by law by order of the Congress no hopefully or at least the Congress will know what it is that the Pentagon and intelligence Community knows I I expect that to be damn fine reading and I'll be picking it up as soon as possible but folks if you wanted some good reading on that topic before then as I said I just came back from Roswell where I met Graham Rendell who's a an author and a researcher on this and he's just written this book which is called dawn of the flying saucers aerial aerial UFO encounters and official investigations 1946-1949 and it's fascinating because Ross as we try to put in perspective again for our new viewers this may sound new and old ones may have heard this before but you got to look at this thing in context it didn't start in 2004 with the Nimitz Tic Tac it goes all the way back which is why the Congress demanding that report be written uh is is so important and you start to look through this and one thing becomes very clear what was going on in the UFO field uh going back to 1945 where that report is supposed to be written about what was going on then was behind the scenes in other words people were seeing things and maybe they got to talk about it but boy if a pilot saw it or somebody else saw it it got they you know they grabbed the stuff they classified it and they studied it privately the only reason we know about half of what's in here is because of Freedom of Information Act requests so to me Ross that's the big difference we're having right now right now we've got the same kind of activity but we have an alarmed constituency of congressmen and women and senators and and frankly high level whistleblowers people within the government who want to talk about it in a way that just completely dwarfs uh what was happening in those years that this report's coming out about and I got to tell you if the government puts out a report after all the time they had that is less well laid out than gram rendell's book I'm going to be really ticked off because they've had the time and they actually have the ability to go get some of that information because it was their information they found in the first place so yeah and and just to ikai one of the concerns I know from Arrow has been to be fair to Dr Sean Kirkpatrick its director that it hasn't been properly resourced it didn't have the full funding it needed to do the investigations it was required to do particularly this exhaustive report which frankly could be an enormous document but I'm told now Senator Kirsten gillibrand to her great credit and let's give the senator a gold star for this Monumental achievement she's been able to secure full funding for Arrow so Arrow can no longer bleat or complain that it doesn't have the money it needs to do its job there is one conspicuous issue that isn't being discussed in the apparently you know broad support inside the Congress for this legislation to be backed my friend and you know what it is it's the so-called hipsy the house um uh permanent Select Committee for intelligence and the hipsy is dominated by Congressman Michael Turner a republican from Ohio and Jim Himes a Democrat from Connecticut they're the chairman and the ranking minority member on the house permanent select committee on intelligence and both of those men have made remarkably dismissive comments about the possibility that the government possesses secret alien technology well I'm telling you my friend they haven't even read I'm told the transcripts of the evidence that has been given to them in evidence by Witnesses both men made public comments that were remarkably ill in informed and I have to question why did the two ranking senior members of the hipsy choose to make public comments that were so dismissive when I understand they hadn't even apprised themselves of the information and the veracity of the witnesses who've actually come forward with evidence why is the member from Ohio which just by the way happens to include the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base within its precincts why would the member from Ohio Michael Turner choose to make such dismissive comments and not in any way overtly support this important piece of legislation if there's nothing to hide if there's nothing being concealed in secret bases somewhere if there's not a private Aerospace that has got a flying saucer or whatever it is hidden in its basement that was gifted to it by the government 50 or 60 years ago what have Congressman Michael Turner the Republican from Ohio and Jim Himes the Democrat from Connecticut got to hide by not endorsing this legislation wouldn't you if you were a committed member of the Congress who after all is on an intelligence oversight committee that wants to hold the intelligence community's feet to the fire to make sure that public money is properly expended we want you as a responsible Congressman want to make sure that the Public's money is being properly expended wouldn't you want to rule out the possibility that there has been some kind of improper use of public money and perhaps criminal or illegal activities used to conceal this activity I I mean it's negligence I I I I have heard both of those gentlemen interviewed on other topics where they seem fairly forthcoming and able to put string together important sentences and sound like they're in the know and then I heard them talk about the UAP issue and I was very disappointed for the all the reasons you just laid out it does call into question uh exactly how the thing is going to lay down behind the scenes because you do have people like gillibrand and Rubio who we talk about all the time who are very upfront about it and very transparent as much as they can be given the secrecy surrounding the subject and then you have those two folks uh the congressman who just cannot be as dumb as they sound on this topic and if they are as dumb as they sound well they wouldn't be as dumb they might be as uninformed as they sound in which case I'd have to say why are you allowing that to happen you have the ability to end ended and you know as long as we're talking about all the stuff that they should be boning up on I mean not only this report that goes back to 1945 and is coming out and is going to lay out sort of a history of of UFOs they could be doing that right now and remember uh this whole thing got started uh currently uh with the 2017 New York Times uh reporting uh that sort of laid out uh what Harry Reid had done he'd gotten some 22 million dollars to start investigations working with a couple of other senators and so the government was investigating UFOs even while it was saying it wasn't and the name of the program it was the advanced Aerospace weapon system applications program which is awesome you know just something worth putting out there I believe there were 50 full-time investigators and researchers at one time or another employed by ASAP and according to our friend George Knapp who wrote the um um the forward to this book I'm reading they covered some 200 000 cases and that those are recent cases so listen as I said I'm done with pretending this isn't happening it's happening okay there's been enough cases going back these 80 90 years to for me to believe that that this is happening and it's legit the question we're now trying to debate is how are we going to tell ourselves about it and one of the re and I say that Russ only to try to answer your question about those two congressmen and how sort of negative they were maybe they're trying to slow things down maybe uh maybe a fast reveal has been discussed as being not to the best interest of the United States for various reasons uh and and maybe that's their opinion uh but but clearly uh it is possible since what we know is that the phenomena is real we may not know exactly what the details behind it are and maybe they're incredibly unpleasant or incredibly damaging to the status quo which wouldn't surprise me at all and maybe that's why they're mum I don't know what do you think well I I'll tell you you mentioned earlier the Senator Rubio comments where he was talking about the fact that Mr grush is backed by allegedly first-hand Witnesses and I just want to read some of the comments that Senator Rubio made specifically because they are very very important um he said I will say that there are people that have come forward to share information with our committee that's the Senate Select Committee for intelligence over the last couple of years I would imagine some of them are potentially some of the same people that perhaps he that's Mr grush is referring to I want to be very protective of these people a lot of these people came to us even before these protections were in the law for whistleblowers to come forward and then news Nation interrupted and said what people who have had first-hand knowledge who claim to have first-hand knowledge of seeing this type of thing and that's in the context of Crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs and Senator Rubio answers or have first-hand knowledge or first-hand claims of certain things some are public figures you know and you've heard from them in the past others you know have not shared publicly and so we're trying to gather as much of that information as we can and the reason why I'm being cautious I'm not trying to be evasive but I'm trying to be protective of these people some of these people still will work in the government and frankly a lot of them are very fearful fearful of their jobs of the clearances of their career and some frankly are fearful of harm coming to them and so I want to be very sure very sort of you know respectful of that because I don't want to discourage others from coming forward this is from the the vice chair of the Senate Select Committee for intelligence he's talking about Witnesses who are first-hand witnesses to a crash retrieval reverse engineering program and he's admitting that some of them fear for their lives now that's a story that's something that really should be being covered by mainstream media it really is getting quite suspicious now price the circumstances under which with the exception of news nation and a couple of other news networks this is a largely ignored story in the mainstream press I don't understand it because these are dramatic allegations from Senator Rubio that they go so much further than he or anyone has ever gone before it's inordinately significant and it needs to be investigated it's it's inordinately significant is a good way to put it and I would say the reason we're in this reality that we're in right now is because they did such a good job over these last eight nine decades at creating the twin pillars uh of of the cover-up which are denial and ridicule and so now even now with all this new information coming out there's still that stigma there's still that sense that this isn't a serious topic you can't really talk about aliens or non-human intelligence because wow that that will make me look like I'm buying into conspiracy theories and it's getting old and uh it's going away it won't go away as fast as I'd like it to go away or that you would like it but it is by degrees being peeled off um but it is still a powerful thing the stigma is so powerful and I look for every opportunity uh when I see news in the in the Legacy Media where they don't play The X-Files theme and they don't talk about Little Green Men and they don't mention tin foil hats to complement those people for not doing it it's time to move on to the actual issue which is we're being visited folks we don't know a lot about who it is uh we need to know more but uh I am not one of those people who's going to buy into the concept that we should be very careful I'm not sure if people can really handle it maybe we can't handle it but I'll tell you what I really can't handle I can't handle being lied to about it any longer and I think a lot of people I talk to can't handle it either so uh you know I know we're out of town I'm going to close with this then rip the damn Band-Aid off and let's see what's underneath that's my take well I'm going to close by saying that people should look at a fantastic interview that a very admirable rear Admiral called Tim gallowday a former United States Navy rear Admiral no less gave to my good friend and colleague Matt Ford on the good trouble show and I have to say I want to take my hat off to former servicemen and serving servicemen and women like rear Admiral Tim goliday who's an extraordinarily senior former member of the U.S Navy and in that interview with Matt Ford I was left in absolutely no doubt that Tim gulladay concedes the possibility that from what he's seen during his secret work access to special access programs inside the U.S Navy he's apprised of information that makes him think that possibly we are not alone and in the same interview he also talked about The credibility of the Admiral Wilson document it's a very important wouldn't interview because one of the things with this story is it can be formidably complicated it's very difficult because there are faces there are there are names there are issues that need to be explained and that's why people should buy my book of course and yours but um but the the simple fact is that I really commend to people this excellent interview that was done on the good trouble show with Matt Ford with Tim galliday because this is a brave man this is a guy who's a rear Admiral retired in the U.S Navy coming forward to discuss what he knows and what he believes as a result of the knowledge
he's gained at a very high level he was the head of the NOAA the National oceanographic Institute and um it's amazing to me that the guy who's been in charge of a key U.S government body is willing to say the things that he's saying so I'll just leave people with that thought today that there's very good reason for optimism there's a lot happening it's impossible to keep track of it all at the moment and I apologize to anybody viewing this who's tried to contact me in recent weeks I am just overwhelmed absolutely overwhelmed with people wanting me to talk to them wanting me to engage with them I'm very very happy to talk to you and I will get back to you when I can but please understand the volume of inquiries and messages I'm getting is just absolutely overwhelming so I'm pretty sure that what Ross is saying is if you were graphing his uh internet email it's going like this and then suddenly rush comes and now it's like as they say off the charts well listen Ross you go ahead and answer all those emails but just remember to answer mine because we have a show to do all the time time it's we're in an incredible time history is changing before us uh I'm glad that we're here to to Bear witness I think that's what we're doing we are bearing witness right now to this incredible change that is about to come to the world and um you know you're you're part of doing that Ross with your book first but with grush absolutely amazing and and again for those of you um who wonder I think both Ross and I are very convinced that Dave crush is the real deal listen to him all right I'm out of here see you next time [Music] [Applause] foreign [Applause]
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