PRO ERTEN #13: Как Аюми Мур Аоки и движение Women in Tech меняют мир технологий
the girls at school we don't have the the same rights as boys female support around you is something that makes you much stronger female L startups they have much less money and less funding but networking alone will not solve the problem I imagine that to creating women in TCT as a know Global Catalyst I do use AI for everyday work because sometimes it helps sometimes I think oh my God is this like cheating they will never replace the human how how are you going to manage your business and your child tomorrow we're going to be officially launching uh women in Tech Kazakhstan I found what my passion was and for 10 years I focus on that growing my business and having your dream is not [Applause] enough hello dear friends this is episode of podcast Pro your 10 my name is theed and I'm CE of this media and here we used to talk about Technologies I and startups and I'm very pleased to introduce Our Guest aumi muroki she is a social enterpreneur and Visionary committed to driving positive and sustainable changes through Technologies and as I know you are founder and CEO of woman in Te Global and this is a leading international organization supporting women and girls in science technology engineering arts and Mathematics and wom into Global has over 200,000 members and aim to support 5 million women and girls in Team by 2030s yes great goals it's very yes it's a very big goal but um I'm very excited about I'm very passionate and I'm very convinced that we are going to be reaching our goal yeah aumi so um I um read about your way your as a person as a woman uh can you share maybe those like three five tips how you became such woman and have such great worldwide Mission wow um when to start so in fact diversity has been in me ever since I was born because I am I'm half Brazilian half Japanese and I have a little bit of British as well in my blood I was born in Brazil but I was raised in South Africa during aparte it was a very difficult time because not only there was um uh lots of difficulties for for for race um but also for gender you know the the girls at school we didn't have the the same rights as boys so I remember my friend and I we were the first ones to make the first rowing girls rowing team at school we had to fight for rights and we trained very hard and at the the end of the first season we managed to win South African Champions and that triggered in me um this passion um against any kind form of Oppression you know are also triggering me the the love of of Sisterhood because the girls on the boat with me they were like my sisters and we feel that um having this support this um female support around you is something that makes you much stronger um after that I traveled the world a lot I went to T I think I've lived in over 10 countries already my life and so for me diversity and inclusion is not just genders and race but also many cultures along my life I had to um I went to the corporate world I transitioned into into Tech because I wasn't finding a personal and professional satisfaction in my corporate job so I quit everything and I started learning how to quote by myself that was back in 2007 200 2008 and for 10 years I focused on growing my business I had um uh two companies so I'm an entrepreneur uh on the digital U digital marketing digital communication um and we worked with clients from all over the world and uh I remember I was pregnant of my fourth child so I've got four yes I've got four children today and the fourth one the last one was quite a difficult one you know I had to stay in bed for a long time and when I finally gave birth I was exhausted you know physically and mentally and I really needed to find a place to recharge my batteries whether it was um you know and and for me the perfect place was in in Lisbon um during a big Web Conference and there I knew that there were not a lot of women in technology because even for my companies to hire woman it was quite difficult but I didn't know this was in 2017 that the gender gap in Tech was getting bigger and bigger for me things were bad but they were getting better and not that things were bad but they were getting worse the figures like one only 20% of female students um graduates uh are are women right in in the technology Fields uh if you go to look at the startups um female Ed startups they have much less money and less funding between 2 to 3% depending on the country and that's an average all around the world also women and girls they have less access to um to any kind of of mobile or or digital device and also for for the internet they have 30% less access than men so many different things know put together said what are we doing about it um and I looked around at initiatives there were lots of networking um female Focus networking events which are great but networking alone will not solve the problem and there was many or a few um initiatives that were working on the ground which were very performant but they were isolated and not in a global so I imagined that to creating women in TCT as a in a global Catalyst where not only we would be a a global Community a movement but at the same time working close to the ground I'm impacting women closest to where they need whether it's in education in business in digital inclusion and advocacy yeah and what about psychological approach I think you faced with many women who are already COO of their companies founders of startups but uh here in Kazakhstan for example women split for two groups first of them say say that there is a gender approach others say no I feel comfortable I make my job and things like this and how do you think this is psychological issue is it matter in the worldwide system I think um I think around the world there many uh and know cultures right it's not a specific culture um there are um this unconscious bias that exists and some people are more aware of them than others and and people feel more comfortable than others as well that's it's a very it's a personal thing I think that either way when you're in the leader of a company uh or or of any project it's normal to feel uncomfortable right but you just have it just it's part of the job whether it's about um gender bias whether it's about I don't know getting finan talking to people in difficult things you know I think an entrepreneurs or or in a Leader's journey is never easy for many many different ways for both men and women it's very difficult right so it depends on how you face these challenges and the challenges are there every day once again whether you're a leader or not but specifically specifically when you're a leader so if you um I think it's more of a mindset to be able to embrace and say okay it's tough but uh we have to get over it and and make it an ally almost but I'm not saying it's an easy I'm saying it is difficult but you just have to keep on positive um so that we it doesn't stop you but you can use it and you aware of it but you know it will not stop you okay and coming back to it specification it topic uh your uh like how to say the division of uh woman in Te is about steam yes here in Kazakhstan we already have school which include steam direction to yeah children like girls and boys doesn't matter and uh why you choose the steam Direction and how do you think uh how it will uh maybe change our future well I think um technology today is in everywhere right there's no single business or things today that technology doesn't really touch whether even if it's in the Arts whether it's science steam is because it's something bigger than just technology yes there is a science inside there maths inside and even the Arts inside because the creative part is so important in nowadays um anything that's together with Innovation I think Innovation if you put it like on the on the top um whether it's going to be AI technology Quantum cyber security all these things around digital um are included and and women they have to be part of this digital transition and Revolution that's happening right now because if they're not well the best paid jobs are there you know they have to be able to to know how to use they have to be there being coders today um te AI is changing the World by surprise and once again you know 12% of researchers in AI are women and only 6% of AI developers are women so we have to to be there and not only not only being there coding writing the lines but also using I just read yesterday there was this um uh This research done where women not only they're not the first they not very present designing but they not very present they 30% and they use um AI 30% less than men because why yes it's very good question and I think they're looking for it but some say according to the article that I read um they said that they feel that they have to do it like the hard way you know okay it's almost as if they were cheating you know like they like kind of use it a little bit but say oh you know if it's too easy they're going to think and they feel know bad they think they feel like they it's not hard enough and honestly um sometimes happen to me I I do use AI for everyday work because sometimes it helps sometimes I think oh my God is this like cheating you know yes you still have this kind of thing like in your mind um and I have a a friend who who's launching her business and she says no no no I don't want I want to really do it by myself I'm not going to use it this they they have to help right we have to use these tools they will never replace the human I don't think because the creativity part the sensibility this is really what um uh we have that so precious it will never be taken but you have to use it as an Ali we have not to be afraid so if you manage it well asking you know seeing how it it it's done and also being aware of the unconscious bias that are there um and and fake news and everything that you can see but use it um where it can help you right yeah and not going to not replace you but it's going to help you achieve um something quicker and faster yeah did you make any analysis of critical thinking while using Ai and especially among women and girls or not well I think critical thinking is um is one of those those gifts that you can also obviously it's most important today in in in in our world and you know one of those um um I'd say career um H I'm I'm losing my words in in English um that we all need and going to be the most treasured right by employers around the world I think because technolog is going so quickly we need these Minds this critical thinking that's going to be um um the things that um employers once again are going to be are going to be looking for because also gives you um this part this Innovation the resilience you have to be able to to think fast change ideas and you know how hard it is when you are an entrepreneur right you have to be really you know sometimes there's no plan A a plan B plan C we so already plan M K you know P um and that's just that's just part of it and that's Al that's a part of it's fun as well you know sometimes when things are too easy you know you you think oh my God maybe I'm not trying hard enough I'm not not maybe I'm not you know reaching and dreaming high enough so um okay and what are those Trends among women entrepreneurs in Europe in France where are you from now yes um well I think they there are a lot of women entrepreneurs in in Europe uh not as much as in Africa I think Africa around the world is where over 50% of the entrepreneurs yeah women are in Africa however very small um businesses right like very like one or two people those mostly in Africa although they obviously they are bigger as well the challenges we have in Europe and in I think in all around the world as well looking at the statistics is getting funded right women's startups women Le projects of hardly they get much less funding um so those are the the main critical things I remember me when I I started my company God to get funding um it was it was so hard so I had to sell fund because I knocked on all the those reasons why investors don't believe to woman's ideas or they are not there are so many different things right so there many many different things well I for instance I give you a good example A friend of mine um from so she's British she's based in the UAE she tried I don't know funding getting funds all over she's she's a brilliant brilliant mind um and she's got four children and every time and she made them very quickly but she and she has a very good Balanced Life between you know her family and her business um but every time she was pitching she was pregnant and the first question they would ask they would say how how are you going to manage your business and your child and that question I have never ever heard any investor ask a man don't even know so and that when someone asked her that she knew right away she was not going to get funding so there's still um a lot of these once again unconscious bias about um that the woman has to be the one that's going to be taking care of the children alone and you know and if they don't not going to be working long hours otherwise she's going to have to get if she gets married if she's an aged to to get pregnant then she going to be as effective or because so many different things even you see the questions that they ask uh questions asked to a man they're mostly about growth and about you know and how Brave and and the vision and the you know how you see your company grow whether for women they're mostly um questions that are um like protective questions saying okay if you face this kind of incident how would you do what would you do you know so more questions not on on on growth grti but or on how to handle you know difficulties um what we can do with this do you have any plan what can we do so this is what we're working every day on doing right I don't have the magic wand otherwise there would be no more Pro no problem around the world but I think already you know teaching girls from a young age that they they can be anything they want to be you know there are once again research has shown until 12 years old many girls they dream of becoming astronauts of becoming everything as one when they saw teenager things start getting down they said okay um there there's maybe 30 or 40% of of girls that don't want anymore to go into these um Tech subjects and then those who eventually do go um they many much much less and then those who come out I know for instance in Europe so they're only 20% of um undergraduates um from higher un education universities or that are um from from Tech from Tech um education and then when I go to the workforce there's 35% more women leaving the jobs than men so there's a continuous saliki pipeline that starts all the way from from school to high school to University and to the workforce right so we have to try and help women every time along the way not not only the women but the men as well the boys as well so they can know that you know there's a girl um know to support them whether it's it's your sister whether it's your classmate uh we we need mentors we need funding we need money you know because uh that's how things are going to be changing and also parents you know for in underprivileged areas um I know in South Africa in Burundi in India where we have chapters and we have local um in uh Learning Centers so we see with the first right on the on the on the front end how um for the big families when there's only one device the girl should going to be the last one to to use it right first going to be the father then it's going to be the son for the shoes then it's going to be the mom and if there are three or four children and they only have one device the girl is not even going to touch it so we have to be more conscious and on investing in girls investing in women on the potential that there is everyone benefits from it yeah and again it's connected with behavioral psychological issue yeah and as a worldwide organization uh do you have any strategy how to change the situation in the world and in specific country yeah so we work so we work on the four main pillars so the first is education and we we have programs to first is to um have role models for girls during High School also research has shown um we have empirical data showing that um adolescents when they talk to role models during those 14 and 16 years old there are more percentage of girls who have spoken to women um in these fields if they were inspired they are most likely to choose those that career choice model so the role models are important obviously um the the importance of the teachers and the families there is also very because they're the ones who guide so we trying to um to work with um you know job forums not only for the for the kids but for the parents as well because if the kids are all excited they go home and they say yeah I want to do this I said no this is not for you it's not going to work so we try to bring the parents alongside with them and also the teachers you know because education sometimes in certain countries or I think everywhere it's quite a slow process until you know all the syllabus um are changed and they have to uh also be uh aware of the new technologies that are happening that's going to be changing the way we learn and they are the first ones who going to be teaching our children all along so these three um are seen and then education all along in life even if you didn't choose tech when you are in high school you can do it later in life you know you can change and keep on learning anytime like I started learning Tech I was I was 30 you know so I think you can change and have this mindset of being curious and learning new things anytime um along your along your life and your career that's for education and then so we also work with scholarships and then we also have um in business we work for with um getting more women interns um you know in in the tech roles also we have a job board uh woman in Tech job board where um we put up jobs the companies looking to to hire more uh female Talent uh we also have um mentoring so that women can go up the leather as well uh we have a mentoring Global mentoring program and we have oh God we have got so many things um we have also a leadership program to get more women on board and then in digital inclusion we have um programs digital literacy programs we have got Learning Centers in Brazil in in Africa and then um and then for entrepreneurs we have a pitching competition and we making right now a crowdfunding platform to fund women because they need money and in the advocacy side we do awareness campaigns around the world talking about glass ceiling talking about the need and most importantly we also talk to policy makers to change the policy um to make sure that the AI is more inclusive um that there's no bias um and that there are more women um in the leadership roles yeah and talking about leadership program I think this is a reason why you came here in Kazakhstan tomorrow we're going to have huge event yes and um do you have any recommendations to our region CIS countries and especially Kazakhstan I think I know you have chapter here yeah what you can recommend us maybe also to uh become uh how to say closer to this division of equal rights between women and men in it so I'm very decided that tomorrow we're going to be officially launching uh women in Tech Kazakhstan um we have our country director that is a s so she's a think she's very well-known very well established uh women in it here and she knows I think very well the situation of of what the country really needs we are there to support so I believe that we don't have to reinvent the wheel every time right we have done things in whether it was in Georgia in aeran so in countries here in usbekistan but also in Japan Australia sometimes if you have a specific um pain Point uh there for sure there is a specific program that we've already done that we have learned from what worked what didn't work how to implement it here and I think our our power superow is that we are a global movement and so that Kazakhstan you're not going to feel that you're alone right you're going to be if you have a for instance going coming into the mentoring program perhaps the best person to Mentor one of the of the people here it's going to be someone from Peru or in Japan or in Canada we don't know so opening um you see how how similar and um how complimentary everyone is and and so I think it gives you also more it's more exciting makes opens the world to Kazakhstan right to the talent Kazakhstan have um to you know for for for women to be able to work um from from a distance but also to bring t into the country to bring investment into the country uh opportunities as well and what about Mentor program do our women will have opportunity of course of course it's already there it's already there we're going to be talking more about tomorrow mentors on International yes yes yes yes absolutely then we just have to see according to the language you know um and we've got you know um many mentors and mentees from many different languages and countries um it depends on what the person's going to be looking for uh what her you know what what her goals are and we're going to be pairing with the best person and you know one person can also be a mentor and a m at the same time we can always keep on learning and can always give back great yeah and you talked before about your uh private life that you have four children yes I think it's kind of you are the result of this life balance right life balance yes and also what can you recommend to women who will watch this video how to become such person who can connect all spheres of life and feel comfortable I think you have to find your passion right if you do something that you wake up in the morning and you like and you're really passionate about it doesn't even feel like work anymore so for me that was that what is it that really means to me something that would wake up in the morning and even if no one paid me to do it I would do it anyway because something that's important so first I found what my passion was and for 10 years I focus on that growing my business and and doing that and then at a certain point when I had my other my my last kid I said well you know having your dream is not enough obviously you have to have it first you have to fulfill yourself but then I started asking another question it's not what is it that I want to do what's my dream but how do I want the world to be and what am I committed to doing about about it and so I think when you give back um you have this sense of of I don't know of empathy to the world and and there's so much um well for me that's that's my passion today and that's why I don't feel like it's work although it is um and that makes me wake up in the morning every time travel the world meet wonderful people know you're doing something good and to be able to share this with my children I think it just it's wonderful I don't think you have to choose I think you just you have to do it it's hard I'm not saying it's easy it's very hard it's hard because sometimes you know I don't have much family and my husband he is always traveling as well so who's taking kids like we put you know to see each other we put it on we've got a Google Calendar we're all very excited but it's just Logistics you know if you want something bad you just have to be organized if you organize yourself everything's possible as long as you you have the drive and you're passionate about it every the rest is Logistics yes great thank you and as a person in it what kind of uh it instruments you use to organize your life better oh very simple so so um I'm just Google I'm a Google go um and then I really like to write as well so I've just as long as my my calendar is organized and now I and I have my EA who also takes in the meetings the rest is just uh making sure that me or my husband or the neighbor you yeah and also may maybe creating a support system around you right because we don't have family so the support system it's just me and my husband otherwise we make um our family has become our friends um and the kids friends right sometimes they go pajama party when both of us were not there go to the pajama party to the neighbor's house everyone's happy plan B Plan B and then if Plan B they cannot okay plan C well some someone is going to be coming otherwise I often bring my kids traveling with me as well in the beginning it was really because you know got no choice I have to bring them with but I enjoy it so much I really do they flexible and they they learn they travel they see Mom working they see dad works and you know it's it's just life we just do and we don't feel guilty about it you know just you know they will be okay if you're okay they will be okay yeah great yeah and we talk a little bit about Ai and uh what are your future predictions of AI maybe in five and in 10 years if more people will not only use it but work on it oh God yes so the predictions 10 years for me I think it's a bit too much to predict because it goes so quickly already um but in five years they say 90% of all content in the internet if not more is going to be produced by AI right and so I think we really things are going to be going so much faster because we used to be taking so much time in doing things which were pain taking at the same time which AI is going to be able to help um I think the uh we are in a crucial stage where we have to think very carefully about how to use Ai and about ethical Ai and about how who's building and how we're building it and how the laws are there to obviously to make sure that you know it's ethical it's done in a right way but not to hinder Innovation because we want Innovation to continue to grow so it's a very um uh like a a thin thread that we have to be aware of and right now I'm doing my research I'm doing my doctoral research on it and so hopefully in two years time I'll be able to give you something with more empirical data because right now all I'm doing is just um more on on the feeling in predictions but I like to have data um behind me to support um all the predictions and maybe some uh crazy ideas about like flying cars people living around in Universe uh maybe not in I think you know we've got a beautiful Earth before we go out to live elsewhere I think I do think we have to explore of course I think it's Beauty it's exploring and that's what you know it's magical about human beings that we are so curious but I love our Earth our planet we have to protect it first before trying to yeah uh and live if it's yes live elsewhere yes for Science and once again for innov ation for Discovery but not because we have to right yes not because we got no choice than to leave for sure should help us to make our life better yes should help make our life better but without destroying the planet thank you and um what in the end of our conversation what you can recommend to women who now starting to make their startup or just thinking about to go to learn it I think um if there's one thing I'd say is join women in Tech it's free but the journey is um first is a difficult Journey when you're entrepreneur and not feeling alone you know um the the percentage of of women of people dropping I'm stopping because it's so hard when it's alone it's so hard I'm not saying it's going to be easier because we you you're part of a community but yes some people that are experiencing the same things that can help you in other ways it makes things much easier uh and you can also share good times you can meet incredible people you can learn you can make networking because whether you're starting a business um sometimes and many many times it's not what you know it's but who you know I think we don't put give enough importance about building uh a network a powerful network but not just a network real relationships building relationships of people that you would like to have as friends but also like to have um as it can be a financial partners or um working Partners um and you never know how how what that's going to lead to so I say travel work on your Network work on your um on your capabilities always be curious there's always things to learn so continue learning all throughout your life and and know that if you fail and you there's many things you fail just carry on you know if it's your passion you will go you will you will go far you know yeah it will be okay okay and I think also women should start to learn how to support each other yes I don't know how it's in Europe and in other countries but here in Kazakhstan like men used to support each other more and only now in this era of Entrepreneurship I think women's just starting to support each other understanding how it's important it is so important yes you know I think everything in life it's about human relationships really and uh the more authentic they are um that's what takes you far and that's also the beauty of life you know um whether it's your family the friends you make the uh the environment where you work life this is life life is this this is not some I'm going to have my life when I stop working no life is every day the things you do in a routine and the way if you do it with the people that you enjoy you're going to be attracting the people you want to work with and then your life is just going to be uh fun and beautiful and if you I think I believe in abundance of the of the universe of energy of of Love of of good things so the more you send to people the more you get it and you just have to make sure you put all the toxic people away you know there are some and they will always will be but just protect yourself and make sure that you know you don't send the same things back you just send love and light and everything will be fine okay so I think that's how we can make the summary of our conclusion thank you very much for your worldwide experience for your mission I think the huge Mission which going to change the lives of Many Many people around the world and we're happy to be you here in Kazakhstan uh so maybe your last words what you can share with our uh what I can sh I I've my first time in Kazakhstan I've already been up to the mountains 3,200 as you do know I think it's a beautiful city until now uh everyone has been very kind and I'm very excited to see um how this chapter is going to be growing all the wonderful things you're going to be doing how it's going to be impacting not only here but the rest of the region and the world and so thank you so much for having me today thank you yeah that was aumi AI she's a CEO of woman in Te Global thank you very much thank you bye- bye
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