Power To Lead Show

foreign foreign yes I can okay um just just hold on just hold on people right um good evening ladies and gentlemen who have joined us today on the Dr huni digital channel via multiple social media channels um YouTube Facebook Instagram and also the Dr fundi website welcome back to our channel it's been a while and I needed to recharge my batteries uh I was bent out so I couldn't keep up with the weekly broadcast today a part of our student Sunday program we are born at um to host somebody that I've known for all of my life since birth today I've worked on his footsteps and as a child to date we only parted you know the direction when I matriculated to pursued engineering I pursued medicine but the funny thing is that as we are getting older our rules are converging again you know in the world of business obviously him in in big corporates and me you know um you know in this small you know Enterprise um so today our guest is none other than my big brother [Applause] I'm mentioning that second name just because um you know translated that name means you know the smart one or the clever one you know and you know a little bit about he's a qualified mechanical engineer uh he's a MBA graduate from this business school he's a well fellow and he's recently been honored with a PhD from University of joburg um and we know him as someone who has assumed a number of roles as a chief executive officer responsible for leaving the 10 around of many companies that were not in good shape uh he is no stranger to this channel uh he's been a guest in April 22 2020 and when we were dealing with Bobbitt and looking at the impact in business and the economy he also hosted me you know in September 2020 asking me a lot of questions around what it meant you know um at the time I was 53 um in teza welcome once again to the doctor's digital channel oh thank you so much food today for that and a really really nice introduction and yeah I'm looking forward to to engage in with you in this channel of yours it's been quite famous over the years now you have built a very very good platform thank you thank you very much I thank you really for honoring honor is your presence I mean uh you've got a very hectic uh you know commitment schedule that goes beyond you know the eight to five and weekdays and after this meeting actually you are going to be attending another ancient meeting well the reason why we decided to invite you here is because when we woke up on Tuesday the 15th of November we woke up to big news that you know you had acquired a significant minority state in a tech consulting company called PSG and you had assumed a new role as his executive chair now that's the real you know main reason for us to you know to invite you here but before we do that we want to know a little bit about whom table is you know I know we've got limited time but just a little bit about you know uh who whom theater is um you know the man behind you know um the news that we normally read about uh you know in the in the media so can you just tell my audience who isn't dead look at the at the at the coff was there I am this rural guy uh coming from the Eastern Cape in tabasa and and I'm mentioning that because our Roots Define who we are and but that also insists that Our Roots should not imprison Us by that I mean that there are certain aspects of who we are influenced largely by our our background that from time to time we need to review and check whether those things that may have helped us or shaped us then are they still serving us and if not one has to sell to them you know so I say they don't imply they don't imprison me so I'm I'm this guy influence largely by that coming from a background of parents that were Educators and and and that that's significant because at the core also of me is this person who who puts education at the center and and I I love education because education is the biggest level you know it's levels the playing fields yeah you may be coming from the the poorest of environments but if you if you take education embrace it uh when you get out of there everything now becomes equal yeah and and that's what I love about education and it also helps us to be informed about things and and when you look in the environment where we we're living in we're living in a world where things are so superficial and it's so nice to have people that have got depth and education helps us to to have that depth it also helps us to to question some of the assumptions that we carry in our heads you know and and assumptions unfortunately tend to have a way of uh showing up as Behavior you know you may not know what that you are doing certain things because there are these assumptions that in in some cases those assumptions may be wrong and I'm also a family man I am a family man I've got three children I'm married one wife and I'm listening one wife because you know sometimes you know we we can choose to do different things I've chosen to have one yeah so so yeah that's me foods and also uh in terms of profession um I'm I'm really passionate about technology and people that's all right so you grew up in this rural environment um you know um in this family where education was everything and you were at Deputy parents you know we normally say first balls and you know any lessons you know that you've carried from that type of environment that actually helped you to navigate life I think you know if you you may have people that were born uh same parents but of course the circumstance within that family change over time those people may have different upbringing yeah and and I happen to to be active at the front end of of of our parents and they were they were a bit struggling during that time and and and and and I was part of they were busy trying to build some of the things that they built for our family and I ended up being the cheap labor in many cases and of course you also experienced some of that and and that are bringing made me you know it may have been difficult at the time but it has made me a very tough person you know yeah somebody that is not afraid to work hard somebody you who who you know circumstances things can be tough out there you know operating in a world that is very cruel you know uh and and my upbringing has kind of helped me to be able to navigate that and be able to handle some of that food beautiful um you know whenever I I listen to you um you know in some of your interviews one of the things that you always talk about is about your values even with this appointment sorry with this opposition uh I'm gonna be asking you questions around that but the issue of values seems to be something that is very very close to your heart and are those videos that you pick up you know in your daily upbringing or values that over time that you've developed that actually help you to navigate life and what are those videos yeah you know you if I can take you back to when I was saying that my background on my roots do not necessarily increase in me I realized much earlier on that values it's not like a DNA you know as you know you're a doctor you know a DNA there's nothing you can do if if that's who you are you are born like that like me I mean an introvert you're very little that I can do about that right but when it comes to values these are things that we we there are we we get them from the people that are around us but you also need to to figure out if these things continue to serve you and in the way that they are and and and you can choose not to to discuss some of them or refine some of them I'm going to make an example an example of respect and respect is is a value that is you know we hold it there as as as African people yeah and the way we Define it it it it goes to do even to say that people who are in positions of Authority or people are older than us we have we have to respect them and and it's a good thing to do that but we also know that some of the time uh you know you can have a you know an old person who is not actually saying the right thing or not doing a right thing so what do you do in that environment you know and and we need to learn I've chosen to learn to be able to challenge regardless of whether the person is much older than me you know because at the end of the day we need to we you know we cannot let things continue to go just because you know you happen to be older you know yeah if you happen to be in a in a work and corporate environment or any work situation you may have a boss that is maybe taking you in to the wrong direction and just because happen to be a boss you are not uh you know challenging you're not even highlighting like hey maybe we should be going in this particular direction right yeah so I've learned to to modify my definition of respect to to sort to sort the the environment in which I'm living in so that I can continue to contribute not just sit there and see things are moving in the wrong direction and do nothing about it but you ask the person what are my values and my core values is the first is is fairness you know and the second one is Excellence the third one is integrity and the fourth one is family and and I'm mentioning this because if you look at at the things that I do whether I'm at home Foods whether I'm on holiday whether I'm at work you'll find that is consistent it's just the same tattoo showing up you know yes and the reason why is that showing up is because my behavior everything that I do is driven largely by these things inform the decision that I make and and the people that I work with the people that are around me they find me predictable it one may find one may think oh that's a bad thing but if you are in a leadership position people should not try be trying all the time to figure out okay what is going to happen you know they can never know right and they need to know what is acceptable or not acceptable and I'm creating an environment that is much more stable because you're so up you're showing in a particular way you know yes and and and the way you treat people you are treating people you know the same not well not the same but to treat them fairly you know yeah people are different you need to you you need to adjust based on those differences but at the end of the day you need to be fair uh yes everybody else yeah yes so you mentioned you know these four uh values and I'm just gonna kick up one day the excellent one yeah you know you know with the history that we have in South Africa you know certain groups of people were disadvantaged others a bit Advantage um so nowadays when we see people are doing good uh you know we will you know um celebrate what we call Black accidents yeah now I just want to know your take on this thing called Excellence black Excellence um as opposed to just Universal Excellence okay look uh let me just go back to to what happened I think it was uh during those days recording them we used to call this dial at 10 but it's grade 12 now yeah it's we wrote during I think it was around April there was a national exam that was written around at the time more around Math Science and and biology choose to call International Science Olympiad and we wrote that in South Africa and globally each and every country wrote that exam and I happened to be one of the top students who ended up representing South Africa yeah in the UK I'm mentioning this because here you have a situation where we have an education system that was designed to make us not to to be equals or to commit with certain people uh but then I realized then that by making certain choices although you may have started from a disadvantage you can actually be able to compete effectively with whoever even with those that have been given an advantage and that that that was an important lesson that I learned out of that here is someone from a rural area and a school that has got a very limited resources that is able to compete and be at the same level in some cases better than certain people that have got an advantage so and then I realized then that regardless of whatever a situation that we find ourselves or our circumstances we have this thing called choice and and that thing we if we use it we can be able to compete and my view is that we need to we need to compete with the best in the world we need to commit everybody in South Africa we have to Benchmark ourselves with the best in the world when it comes to manufacturing or service or whatever you know and that that's my you my view of Excellence is a much broader view is not limited to a geography it's not limited to a race it's not limited to gender it's a broad one beautiful beautiful so um let's just move on quickly and so you've already mentioned that you know you representatives are already at the international you know uh Olympiad now around that same time it's a time where you have to choose your career you know what you're gonna study and you were top of this you know of the pilots and John's College where you did your high school and it was a norm those days that is a top occupied he was going to medicine and in fact when you came back from London uh my dad had already organized from you know the bureau that recruits minus for you to go into medicine but you showed your ground and said no I am not going to go and do medicine personally I want to do mechanical engineering and our dads didn't know anything about that he thought it's a glorified mechanic just tell us a little bit about why you know many kids would have you know decided okay let me make my parents happy but you stood and you sacrificed capacity and everything else that came with it even you know that comment that how can you waste your brains to go and become a glorified mechanic yeah look that that hurt but but uh but that's that's parents you know parents are like that it's actually a form of love and and so but the key thing for me I left this sauce when I went to the UK I left I remember I was interviewed by Daily Dispatch at that time and I left and and that article is clear that I said I wanted to be a doctor I came I came back I did not want to be a doctor why because you know I think this is another important thing in life when when you have new information you should be willing to live to visit some of your decisions and and if those were based on lack of information and now you have got new information that leads you to a different decision you should be comfortable to to make that change and I made that change and I was very clear because they spent that two weeks we spend in the UK they helped us to understand the different careers you know and and and I came back knowing clearly that engineering that's the space that I should be in if I go anywhere else I know I would have been able to pass but I would not necessarily be enjoying myself so I came back it was tough because my decision meant that my our family had to fund my going to University as opposed to the Ambassador that I had already got but but at the end of the day it's more about you know it's my life you know it's to what is it that uh you know yeah where do I think I will be able to make the biggest contribution and and indirectly also it goes back to my my discussion earlier around the the respect thing yeah as much as I respected my dad but I just felt like his his position was not necessarily based on having all the information so I chose to do what what I felt I needed to do yeah so that that's it Foods yes okay all right so you got to University of natal um after just a pre-ange you know at unidra and and I'm not I'm not gonna waste time about your time there safe to say um you were the first person up you know I'll say that person who actually finished that degree in Rebel time am I right look it's not something that I'm particularly I I lead with that but but it is a fact yes but so thereafter you got a you know a scholarship a road scholarship to go into your Masters in Germany at the time you may remember that uh our mother was not very uh what was what was sick at the time and and being a firstborn and you just you know you're going to go out of the country you're going to get all of the sponsors and there may be a restrictions around when to come back or not so I just felt that you know I did not know what was going to happen and I just felt that the best place to be instead to be in here in South Africa and I I think also foods that when I look back now because at the time I had not quite crystallized my values as as clearly as they are now I think that it was also informed by that value of family beautiful beautiful all right so you finished your engineering you started as a junior engineer um and um you know less than education from from that time you switch to management and Leadership you know and now the big question is you spent four years training to be an engineer uh another three years you know uh under you know a qualified engineer after that seven year investment you worked just for a few years and you branched out to leadership and management and just explained because we're now getting to you and being this turnaround specialist for companies yeah so food you know yes I spent seven years really building up my my engineering skills which was a good thing and and I also practice that the process engineer as the the regional engineer you know going around in the Eastern it was called Eastern transvault at that time you know being responsible for Swaziland and number Pretoria a number of of of regions falling under that region so I practice and what I realized is that first is that there is a little uh Innovation which is the thing that that brought me into engineering is the creativity is the design but you realize when you are here in this country at the time because we're not allowed could not be working for the Daniels of this world where there was proper you know design of of of as a black person working just in general corporate there was not much Innovation that was happening we're just modifying things here and there so I I that that was the one thing and also realized that you may have the best idea the best design on something but when you go and present the some people would turn it down and I just could not understand the technically this thing makes a lot of sense but somehow there are these people who are not engineers and they're telling this thing down you know I just felt this is this is terrible I need I need to be one of these people I need to figure out a way of you know of being you know at the yeah the leader they will be able to understand and then ah okay I needed to to broaden uh and embrace and get some leadership skills and in particular Finance related skills which I did not have you know Finance and Accounting Corporate Finance the strategy kind of skills hence I I enrolled to do an MBA which helped in opened up my my my understanding of the business world yeah and and and I also started to fall in love with it was just you know coaching and and giving people supporting others and I've always done this Foods throughout my life you may remember during school holidays there were a number of people that used to be there at home uh where I used to be teaching them math and science so impacting knowledge has always been something like that as part of me I enjoyed doing that and and we're moving into into into management also gave me the opportunity to do what I love which is really to to see others thriving and helping them to be able to sit successful so I enjoyed a lot of that and I also was in a position now to start to you know influence because at the end of the day you can be around but if you are not making an influence one have an impact you know so that's that that's what it brought me gave me the opportunity to be impactful so this idea or this love or you know I call you to have sick companies at what point did you now see that this is my Niche you know this is something but then it brings all of these things that you say you like it it is it is it goes at the core of being an engineer Foods I I think most Engineers have this thing it's really about problem solving you know and and and many of us are driven by we're trying to figure out and fix things it could be something that's broken it could be a challenge of how do I build a bridge that that goes across this thing a Terrain that is so difficult right you know all of these are challenges that that that as Engineers we are we like to to be working with so it comes at the call from that so basically as much as it may appear as if I've left engineering but I've I've I'm Every Day I'm I'm effectively using the core skills like engineering uh have given me that problem is always but it may not be now problem solving only about machines right problem solving could be human things with the strategy it could be all of that you know yeah so I call these portable skills and and we always need to be aware what are the skills that we have that can help me move from one sector to the other because it doesn't matter I can go to pharmaceutical I could go to telecoms people say hey why is going to not have a telecoms background I go to uh it doesn't matter you are taking the same core skills yeah beautiful all right so let's move we've only got about 20 25 minutes left for that five two uh we need to release you for your important meeting at six o'clock so you know after many decades of being this CEO who turned around you know companies that are struggling now we get to here on Tuesday that you are now a tech investor you can just tell us the thinking I mean uh upwards there's some big company out there that are still gonna come and say hey man give us a five years of your life and help us I mean there was even One bank that people thought you were gonna go and turn around and then you just come and say no I'm now somebody who is a tech investor you are now an entrepreneur so yeah about about about that transition um to say I'm no longer going to be employed by anybody you know I'm actually going to be an owner of a business tell us a bit about that yeah so food I mean as I was saying that when you are in this leadership roles they can be so fulfilling because you you've got influence you've got uh you know yeah you are responsible so so much uh but you but at the same time you always have to be asking yourself is this something that is talking to me at the core or or not you know and and is there another way that I could be doing the same thing that can give me uh you know a better I guess returns in many ways right and where am I in my life and and am I preparing for for the future where I am if I'm not what is it that I need to do in order to prepare for that future you know what is what is this future I'm talking about I look at myself I realized hey man I'm not somebody that is just going to to retire you know even when I get to 65 I don't think I will kind of retire as such I I still want to be active in one way or the other but I would not want to be working with for somebody else at that time right so what is it that I can do today in order to prepare myself for this future that I'm I'm trying to create I'm I want to have you know and and then when I look at that wow you know I've been creating a lot of value for many many other people including myself to some extent but largely for others you know and that's what you always do you know CEOs that are employed today create value that's that's our job is to create webs and and that value what you that you're creating slightly for for for others and and and I felt that you know I still have the energy let me put my energy for the next eight years or so up to 65 to creating value I'm doing the same thing but creating value but largely for myself too you know and and shaping and entity that even beyond my official retirement age I can still be part of and guiding it and coaching people you know I can still be part of this entity and because it is something that I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm a co-owner in even its priorities what it focuses on something that will reflect who I am right so so that is the thing it's more about trying to live your life really your hands rather than it being dictated by others so what does this mean then um you know what's the exactly what is the company involved in just the high level and and your increase value add yeah this company is a it's a company called BSG it's called Business Systems group BSG it's a business and a technology consulting company yeah what we specialize in we specialize in helping organizations to implement their strategy okay every problem in South Africa so so this is problem if you want to see the biggest weakness that we have as a nation our weakness is not ideals we've got great ideas you know our weakness is to translate those ideas into reality and this is what this company does partnering with our clients to help them to implement so that they can realize business value this is what I've been doing everywhere I've been you know I've been I'm going there as I formulate together with my team of course firmative strategy and I Implement execution is the thing because it's so easy to to come up with a strategy the big problem is many people have is to tell that strategy into reality to implement so that's why I continue to deliver and deliver wherever I've been and I don't see why I should not be doing it here as well so what am I bringing I am basically home here yeah that's where I am I'm home because that's what they they are good at but at the same time I can say that I have I have I I have lived in the future yeah I have lived in their future you know I know I've got a memory of the future where they are going I have been there you know as we grow and become bigger and bigger and bigger I have been there and we will be as we grow instead of making some of the mistakes that others have made I know exactly terrain I will be guiding and helping and shaping the team so that we can avoid some of the steps of growing beautiful beautiful so um you you've talked a lot about mentorship and coaching and and and transferring of knowledge so I'm assuming that even in the role that you have that is something that will continue to do in that organization it's a big thing it's a big thing to us as an as a chairman I'm not a CEO I don't I have no aspiration to be SEO I've been CEO for many many times I I don't want to be I will give the CEO the space that he needs and my job is to help him and to make sure that he becomes successful and and and continue to work together with him to build a a great leadership team and a great great employees of DSG yeah okay now in one of the interviews that you conducted it must have been on Wednesday or Thursday and you know with the business day there's something that you mentioned which I put a I needed to ask you to just expand a bit about digital web accelerator that you are involved in what is that yeah and if you think about some of the challenges that we have as a country Foods uh we we have a number of challenges of course but but you if you rank them uh probably the big challenge that we have as a country is that one of energy right now right so that's the first problem that we have the kind of I put this one of digital skills as being the second biggest problem that we have as a country because the world is moving into digital there's something called digital transformation and in order for our companies to be globally competitive they need to embrace and be able to leverage digital Technologies but they won't be able to get there if as a country we do not have the skills the digital skills that will help help them to move to that to embrace and use digital and so this developing of digital skills has become and is the biggest priority because you go to agriculture you go to health go to Financial Service they talk about agritech because talk about health Tech they could talk to talk about fintech every industry there is a tech a link to it this is the digital that I'm talking about yes but they will never be able to execute those their strategies around digital if they if there are no people that can do that it is urgent that we build these digital skills in our country so with there's an organization that has been formed it's a public private partnership uh sponsored by by the by the presidency and I am the the co-chair of that of that of that organization our mission our mission is to make sure that we mobilize South Africans across acceptance to put together our resources to build these digital skills the beauty about this is that we've got in this country today probably about 400 million jobs that cannot be filled 400 100 400 000 jobs okay 400 000 jobs that cannot be filled you know so if we train and give people the necessary training they are likely going to be able to get into jobs so on the one hand we've got this skills shortage on the other hand we've got a huge unemployment problem yeah beauty of to me there's there's a there's something that connects the two things there we can address the youth unemployment unemployment Problem by giving them the necessary skills so that they can participate in the digital world so that is the mission of this organization beautiful all right as we both was wrapping the conversation with Heather so besides this new role you have as an investor now in technology you've been taking up some some non-executive board appointments where do you get the time look uh you know when I left uh our phone I told myself that a fair amount of my time with the dedicated to the investment vehicle that that I have spoken to you about is called wazo investment so it's a fair amount of night time will be there but also I wanted to because I'm someone who who likes to continuously learn so I wanted to to get into Industries or into spaces where in the past have I may not have had the opportunity to to to learn more about those Industries one of those is financial services yeah the other one is the is retail you know I'm fascinated about the world of retail yeah same as I'm fascinated by by financial services so and both of those Industries depend on technology so there will be something that I am giving yeah I'm offering to these companies but at the same time I'm also going to be learning it's like a win-win it's a great partnership so that's why I'm sitting on mess match I'm so I'm sitting on the board of nedbank and also I just feel that telecom is one of those organizations that that is a great company or it's a good company that can be great you know yeah and I wanted to just be part of that and of course escom was just one of those things that just came it was never a planned thing yeah I actually wanted to ask you without you know bringing any uh you know stories uh there but I just wanted to ask you uh you know many people are reluctant to get involved in soes or you know well they say a number of people's careers have been buried in soes obviously as Executives but sometimes even known as X so how easy was it for you to agree uh when you were approached to be part of I'm gonna talk about the one that now that you've mentioned last which is a scope yeah so it it you see I mean sometimes when you look at these things uh Foods you look at them wearing a different head I was looking at it from from the point of being a citizen of this country and and saying and here I'm being asked to be part of the solution that will address the challenges that we are facing as Citizens and there is something that I can offer should I say no I just felt that no I cannot I cannot I cannot say no to that it's just something as much as it's just adding uh to the things that I'm doing but it's an opportunity to contribute to trying to fix one of the biggest challenges that we have as a country so I could not say no I am fully aware of the of the risks associated with it and I am that at that point for in my life where where yes there are risks but hey even if things and uh but in whichever way they end up uh I can sleep knowing that I tried you know I try to do something to try and help and I also at that point where I don't care much about really what other people you know think as long as I know that what I've been doing or what I continue to do is coming from a good place so and you know obviously I mean you're part of the collective in this uh you know non-exertive thing is but um you know obviously you know this week you've been a newsmaker around this thing of PSG um you know but you know those risks that you knew uh you know there's some stuff that happened earlier in the month uh where people misunderstood you uh you know and I don't even I don't want us to go deep into that but I just wanted to ask if you um when I set the record straight about anything related to that because I know that you were misforted but yeah do you wanna know anything about that but you don't have one but if you choose not to yeah look I I appreciate you you're giving me the choice whether I can or can't thank you for that but I also feel that it's not something that I I want to even entertain and answer ask answering because it's just I feel it's like an insult to be us uh that kind of of a thing for people to to to to to question where I'm standing when it comes to transformation I mean all of my life this is something that I continue to do I've been doing all of my life so if if the track record that I have says nothing uh and people are swayed by a a miserable a headline that was misrepresenting me hey that says a lot about those people to me you know yeah continue to do what I do you know and and so that's why I don't I'm not bothered yeah but I write it or I just it just challenges me that sometimes we we don't we don't look deeper into things and and and we do need to go beyond the headlines and as a people and and just pay attention to some of the details as well beautiful beautiful we just left with five minutes it's ten to six now we have five minutes in heaven so um you know one of the people that uh uh I'll call your friend uh you know has a book called lift as you rise and you know and then basically giving back to you how important is this uh you know building the next layer of of leadership and the important people you know just philanthropic uh kind of uh initiatives yeah so you may remember that I I indicated to you that that even at a very young age this is something that I was doing it more helping others to to understand a space that was much more clear to me but it was not so clear to them the math and science right so I felt that you know I had this gift of of making things simple as a result people were able to to to understand and uh starting from that that those days have just have been that person who continues to to to help others and it's more about trying to to figure out how people can connect with who they are in such a way that they can realize that they already have the greatness that they are seeking but it's within in them all of us have have what we need in order for us to decide so we have to reconnect with that that thing and and and that's something that I I try and do food writing a book was part and parcel of of that I'm not somebody that is that is um you know self-promotion because I was promoting myself and okay let me that's just not me but the need to when I saw that there's so many people who are asking me to Mentor them I I realize that I need to find a way of of multiplying myself because I just did not have the capacity to do that and through the book that's another that's a way of doing it and to when I look at the at the work that I'm doing right now at PSG the majority of what I'm doing because I'm not going to be that much more Hands-On I'm going to be helping others it's more about empowering giving knowledge and transferring that knowledge so that you can see the next generation of film titles coming through uh through that and not making some mistakes that sometimes some of us may have made a in the past yeah yeah so so that is that is what I'm I'm going to be doing that to do and through BSG as well we are very very passionate about science and maths there is this LEAP program that you support and again that's a the alignment of values that you can see that will perfectly arrived yeah so somebody who is an up-and-coming person in your technology space you know and there's one or two young men who are in that space that are mentoring what message you know do you have for up and coming people in whatever industry really for them to actually be able to achieve their dreams and you know it's always said that the younger generation they don't um you know they don't have to stay in power to wait for things to happen they want microwave kind of you know careers so just your thoughts you know about the young people who want to be the disciples in their respective Industries at the at the core I would say that it's so important to to have a foundation you know you can move around but move around ahead in some kind of a foundation uh we we tend to change jobs and when you look back what is it that I gained out of this job that I've just moved from if you distill it what what is it and and and and sometimes it's very difficult to to say what what competence was I able to build in that in when I was given that experience I'm saying change job for great golden change job but make sure that each time you are given an opportunity build a certain competence and when you leave you know that it could be just selling you know if if you if you are am I a great salesperson if that's the opportunity I've been given there if it's about quality control am I a great quality the controller you know whatever you have been given and when you're moving out you can now look back say I've got these competencies that I can then take and put them together in order for me to be competitive in order for me to be effective elsewhere so building those competencies and consciously doing so you know very conscious because you can build the same competence all over and again but it's just the same you know try and build different capabilities so that you can be uh yeah because you are competing we have to stand out well it's five to six and you have your six o'clock meeting so I I will not hold you any further I must thank you for squeezing Us in you know other people would have just canceled the interview so we haven't had time to answer questions from the people but um I'm sure it's not the last time we have a conversation with you but at least we got the gist of the you know things that may you use wealthy in the past month and I want to thank you and all the best in the meeting that you are about to get to I hope whatever you discussing there this will make all of us thank you very much okay you take care cheers lovely bye all right so um my sincere apologies that the interview had to be cut short and there's a matter of national importance that material has to get involved in starting at six o'clock so as a result of that you only gave us basically about 55 minutes to have a chat with him uh I agree to that for us to you know to cancel the meeting so I want to say thank you to all of you who managed to join in despite the change of the times this will be available on YouTube and so anyone who has missed it will get it from YouTube so I want to thank you and to everybody else thank you thank you all right bye

2022-11-26 10:30

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