Pentagon / Lockheed Martin UAP / UFO Detection Tech In Civilian Hands
[Music] hey everyone I'm Matt Ford and welcome to the good trouble show there are many Universal truths in the world that you can Bank on such as the sky is blue or the Earth is round or that you will always pay taxes or the Pentagon the CIA the NSA the department of energy all in coordination with the SE Suite Executives of just about every major defense and Aerospace contractors are colluding to lie to Congress and the American public on uaps otherwise known as UFOs now one mechanism used in this illegal collusion is by hiding radar data of uaps from Congress by over classifying that information these Gatekeepers use over classification to hide what they know about uaps and what they know about the literal thousands of drones operating with impunity over our military installations and off our coasts above our carrier strike groups and dangering our military Pilots the Pentagon the IC and the defense contractors do not want Congress to know that these drones harassing our military are actually uaps they are not from a foreign adversary they are not from China they are not from Russia they are from our friends out there and they will lie tooth and nail to our Congressional lawmakers to hide this reality so the question is how do you defeat a pentagon intelligence and military industrial complex hellbent on covering up this and protecting their bank accounts you put in the hands of the average American citizen scientific instruments at an affordable cost that will display in real time and with zero doubt what is flying in our skies today we have a physicist and engineer who will reveal for the first time his product that will finally expose the Decades of Decades of literal lies that our government has been telling us and Congress regarding UAP but first please hit the Subscribe and thumbs up buttons on YouTube leave a comment and let us know what you think about this episode you can also find us on X at good troubl show and everywhere else at the good troubl show you can also find us wherever you enjoy your podcast search for the good trouble show with Matt Ford and as always if you would like to chip in to help keep the lights on you can become a patreon member of the good troubles show by going to www.patreon.com slthe good troubles show sign up and you can support our work we would certainly certainly appreciate it our guest is an inventure with a master's degree or Master's two two master's degrees in both physics and electrical engineering creating instrumentation and groundbased and Airborne based radar systems that's a mouthful there used today by NASA and Noah he made the mobile Doppler weather weather radar for tornado chasing trucks which is now the industry standard for weather research worldwide and if that's not enough he invented wireless charging technology named by Time Magazine as one of the best inventions of 2007 his interest in UAP led him to the Galileo project as a researcher please welcome Mitch Randall Mitch how are you sir very good thanks for having me on how are you doing I'm doing great glad glad to have you here so that is quite a resume is there anything that I missed in your professional background I mean I'm a toy inventor also there's toys on the market um I'm just an entrepreneur and i' I love to Tinker with stuff um all The Radars that you mentioned those are weather radars so that's where my my interest or my profession has been yeah that's that's yeah that's and and we're going to dig into radar I you know I know that's like what you use to look at look at the the the look at the weather and what the cops use when they're we're at they're trying to bust you for speeding but that's about it so we're going to dig into the the technical aspects of radar hopefully you know explain it to someone like myself that does not have much of a technical background but um but this is really great as as you and I spoke about when we met at contact in the desert back in the summer one of the challenges with this whole UAP issue is the government in particular the Pentagon NSA CIA they have Reams upon reams of radar data of UAP of both the prosaic stuff which you know could be Chinese balloons Etc but they also have tons and tons of radar data on UAP of non-human uh intelligence Vehicles run created by non-human intelligence that they are not sharing this data with Congress let alone the American public so your product is going to come to the rescue we're going to talk about the history of it but um but first uh you know I want to know is like the whole radar thing has this been kind of your primary career focus more or less I mean I'm I working at the national Center for atmospheric research my job was to come up with instrumentation that scientists would be able to utilize you know uh to solve you know there they don't know what's possible so it takes an engineer and physicist to figure out what here's what we can do with technology so we would develop uh instruments and then we would say to the scientists the meteor meteorologists we' say you know is this could this be useful for you and they go whoa yeah that'd be great so that's I'm really used to that kind of Paradigm where uh we're kind of leading you know the scientists aren't the ones who Define the instrumentation it's really the engineering and the technology defines where you can go with the instrumentation so that's exactly what I'm doing here now as I mentioned you developed the the mobile Doppler radar system used in tornado chasing and I one of the things I love to watch on YouTube are these these stormchaser videos of all these guys chasing tornadoes what's your scariest tornado experience uh it's scary for the wrong reason um it was it was a Shakedown test of the what was called Dow one the very first uh Doppler on Wheels Radar truck and uh I had uh taken you know a bunch of pictures but then this tornado started to form and I took a lot of pictures of that and it was like such an exciting experience for me but I realized that I had taken the film roll out to change it I didn't put a new film roll back in so that was the most that was where all the fear came from yeah that sounds like that sounds like something I would do go go ahead it it wasn't um you know they're actually pretty safe they know what they're doing and they they're looking at Satellite data whatever so they're not getting themselves In Harm's Way um I mean the amateur it might be a little different with the amateur stormchasers but the pro stormchasers the professors and grad students that go out there they know what they're doing so Mitch how did you become interested in the UAP topic well that goes way back so um I'm no youngster it was decades ago go um just interested but you know I went through these Cycles just like we're seeing today where wow it seems like something's happening and then and then kind of nothing for a while then all looks looks like something's happening you know that that that's just part of this field and how it works but about in um around 2000 or so I saw Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center he had published a paper about bistatic radar which is what we're talking about today it's called either passive radar sometimes they call it B static radar sometimes U multi-static radar um so he wrote a paper about it and uh I was I was thinking wow this is great because I made a bistatic weather radar just a few years prior to that and went through all the ins and outs of figuring out how to make that work and Publishing papers on that Etc so I contacted him and we began a relationship back in 2000 that's F that's fantastic so so this technology and again we'll dig into the details here in a bit this this is n something like brand new you've invented this is something that that has been around oh for sure in fact Peter dports uh he wrote a paper in 2004 for presentation at muon and it's really complete he goes through kind of the history of by Static radar um it's it's pretty pretty darn good where he shows you know that some of the very first uses were back in World War II where they were using uh if if the um enemy would come over where would normally be out of range of FM radio it pick up it was or AM radio probably at the time it would reflect that off and then in the receivers they could see that something must have come into the sky so they were using btic radar back in World War II but it uh goes on um I one of the most sophisticated systems out there right now is um it's been replaced that's why I kind of stuttered a little bit but sure up to a little while ago it's called the fence and they have receivers all Across the Nation like eight receivers along a certain latitude all across the nation um looking up and then they have a transmitter and they can see objects in space uh up as small as 10 centimeters in diameter out to 27,000 uh kilometers wow so that so certainly they would be able to detect UAP coming in and out of the atmosphere with something like that there is no doubt about that and uh but you have to also look at the specs too because even though you can uh you know you radar has to be really tuned to the to the job you're trying to do so I don't know where for example what kind of uh velocities they can measure a lot of times with The Radars for example with um storm chasing trucks as a good example you know the wind velocities can be 300 miles an hour so unfortunately The Radars aren't capable of measuring 300 miles an hour they have to they have to go through a little process in post-processing to try to estimate which range they're in because it starts to roll over it starts to Alias itself um but anyway um I'm sure that system is is pretty awesome and and can see a lot of blips up there there's no doubt about that and I understand you were a researcher at the Galileo project is that correct yeah back in uh 2021 um well for one thing just to finish up with the Peter Davenport part of that at the time the hardware was kind of a pain and I would only be doing this as a volunteer at the time so it kind of uh papered off I didn't really build anything for Peter back in the day you know in their 2000s but um you know things changed quite a bit in um in like 2012 or so they came out with this little receiver for digital TV that's just a dongle you can plug in your computer and then hackers figured out how to get the data out of that thing so it's basically a receiver that you could get uh raw you know raw sample data from RF RF Spectrum sampled and into your computer so I got interested in again and then in 2021 I saw AI lob announced the start of the Galileo project and I saw that um his plan was to put 50 telescopes out there and that's what he announced back in 2021 and I thought to myself well you can't you're not going to be able to find a UFO with a telescope it has a very narrow beam so you you know I don't know how you could do that so I contacted them because I knew they they're going to need some kind of detection system that can you know know figure out where to point their telescope sure so so I did contact Avi actually right after his press release I mean minutes after his press release and or or you know he had a he had that live stream where he's announcing and talking about what they're going to do for the Galileo project and um I I think uh I think Obby wins an award for the most amazing uh fast email responder on Earth because with for just within minutes he resp replied to me but later you know with my history with um the project I realize everybody sees that like he's an amazing email answerer now I mentioned earlier that that one of the limitations with relying on the government for data is that they are just simply not going to share it and especially with with the radar end of things or other sensor systems classified sensor systems now I know other folks have come up with sort of like Electro Optical UAP detection systems what are the limitations of those systems I mean I can you know notice that the there the government's happy to give you any data as long as it's not radar data as long as it you can't actually draw conclusion from it and one of the problems with with any kind of image whether it's a infrared image or a camera image the problem is it's two-dimensional you don't know that third dimension when you don't know that third dimension was it a bug that just went you know in front of the camera or or is it 100 miles away and it went you know lightning speed so without that depth information and you can see this too if you're if you're on UFO Twitter and you're watching the debate about you know the gimbal video and the go fast video Etc you realize and and also the Agera or agadia whatever how you pronounce that um the problem is they don't know how far away it is so they can't draw the conclusions they can try to estimate they can argue about it but you're never going to get a definitive result you're certainly not going to get a scientific result um you know without bringing in some kind of other assumptions so that's the limitation that's the big one that that totally makes sense so why don't you walk us through this technology and then after kind of like talking about the history of it and other people that have used this in the military then we're going to do a live demo of what you have developed so far yeah that sounds great um let's see uh if you could um pick up the screen I I have a little picture up here great so this is um this is what I proposed for the Galileo project this is actually one image from the paper that was published in the Journal of astronomical instrumentation that the Galileo project put together several papers and this is the one I wrote for that for that special issue um but this describes what I was trying to do with the Galileo project um what you have is the idea is that you have receivers around but you have transmitters and they're they already exist you have an FM transmitter that's already blasting power out into the atmosphere in fact way more power than a typical weather radar or even than a typical military radar um um because what really matters the sensitivity is average power and FM transmitters put out like 100,000 Watts average power effective a average power whereas a typical radar like the weather radars are used more like a thousand Watts wow I'm sorry more like yeah a thousand Watts so it's a 100 times more power and um you can really do a lot with that extra um signal power but here but here's um if you can see my cursor sure you have an FM transmitter it's sending signals everywhere but some of it's going to go and hit this airplane by the way in this paper I decided not to have my little UFO icon I put in an airplane just not to raise everybody's hair on the back of their neck right but uh it's going to reflect off this airplane come back to just some receiver okay that's all fine but um also there's a direct signal that also gets to that receiver so now you have two two signals that are coming to the receiver one of them is a replica of what the transmitter transmitted the other one got delayed by this path length here okay okay out to the radar and out and I mean s out to the reflector and back to the system so the difference in those two path links you can show you can figure that out by doing a correlation process and this is um by the way I didn't invent this it's is passive radar technology uh one of the best papers on it is by uh H Holland um in 2005 I have that paper we can look at that sure yes should I bring it up now yeah go for it why not let me well let me just finish for a second you're just giving the kind of the big picture here when the airplane moves of course this range changes you know obviously and um the here's what radar is radar is Radio detection and ranging that's what the acronym stands for so not only can you detect something but you can actually get the range of it um and that's done by signal processing that's in the receiver and by the way there is another way to do it I won't spend much time on it because uh it's it's kind of a niche case but uh you you don't have to use the direct signal you can also use a uh recorded signal to recover that range and detection with the system is shown on the right here but this is kind of the primary system in the one that's also talked about in the hole in paper okay let me pull that up if I could um boom yeah here's here's the idea so um um when you uh when the when the system is running and you're getting these Echoes you can't exactly locate where that airplane is all you know is that delay difference okay okay on this picture you're looking on right here you can just plot that in terms of uh on this axis that goes uh from left to right is range or delay really and then um on this other axis is Doppler and what the Doppler is is as that range changes the frequen the phase of the signal changes and and a moving phase is a frequency so if something's moving away from you fast you you can count those phases and figure out a Doppler shift from it and if something's moving towards you you're getting more waves towards you and you're getting a phase shift in the opposite direction so you can see that Doppler and you can tell if the object is increasing in in um delay or decreasing in delay so that's this vertical axis here so I hope that's not too technical or put you to sleep or whatever no that's good that is that's what the two axises here are doing for you so um you know you can have an air and then by the way in this example these U um I might have this backwards but the tracks I think are from FAA data and the squares are what the radar detected the passive radar detected so you can see that they they line up yes so this FM this is uh fa actually it's not FAA either by the way because this was all done in Europe it's whatever their European uh agency is called but they have the data for what you know the actual locations of the airplanes okay and you can that onto this graph um you can't go the other way you can't say oh I have a DOT on this on this graph so therefore I know where the airplane is but if you do know where the airplane is and its velocity you can plot it on this picture if that makes sense yes yeah yeah just with one receiver this is what one receiver will do so that's the that's the work by Holland and by the way I'll just scroll up here a little bit uh just kind of run it by you but it goes into great detail about exactly how you do this so you can if you like reading papers and then writing code to match you can go through this and figure out how how to do it so um you know I'm already um pretty versed on by Static radar but I definitely got something out of this paper and um and I duplicated these results for the Galileo project fantastic and what what other what other con defense contractors have used this you you showed something that I think was from Loy Martin yeah let me pull that up so uh again this isn't um we're not Reinventing the wheel here the wheel the wheel's been invented and all we're doing is repurposing it for this specific year use and I'll tell you why later or now I mean basically it's cheap I could make a this is just an FM receiver that you can you could purchase and and nowadays the processing power is cheap enough that this thing could be let's say $500 wow which uh if if somebody could buy one of these and put it on there you know set it up like how you would set up a printer you know it would be just a box that you plug in your internet cable and you plug a wire for the antenna and boom it starts receiving the signals so I that's the idea here is you can make a cheap system out of this because it because it's um it's all rely it's just receive only and it relies then on digital signal processing but um Let me let me show you what there's some really strategic reasons why the military would want to have this and so looh Heath Martin developed this system I think in the late '90s um but this is more or less exactly what we're talking about this was a few years before Poland published his paper and by the way I'll just give you a little background sure Poland did that work he works uh he's somebody at the NATO shape headquarters so he works there and the and one of their ideas was can this be used to replace all of our air surve surveillance Radars for um you know air traffic control so they were looking at this from a very serious perspective of whether this is up to the task I actually don't know I mean I don't think they're using it now for that but I mean his results are very impressive wow just just like well what I'll show you a little bit here because we're going to take the same kind of data while we're on the call great but um this system by Led Martin is pretty much got the same elements that we're talking about it's some kind of this box go that's on this big trailer is now going to be a little box that goes on your desk because now it's 2024 and now 20 199 and then there'll be some antenna on your roof um and then it'll be able to receive the data so here they're pretty much showing you the same you know they're shown off their system and basically the same thing hulland improved hey there's radar tracks that match the aircraft tracks so we know it's working um but this is a little blur but you can find this on the internet that's where I picked this up so um the idea really important thing for the military is nobody can detect that you're looking so you're not transmitting anything so you don't you're not any kind of Target um nobody knows that you're doing this you're just sitting there receiving signals that happen to fall on your antenna gotcha wow so so this thing is it it is clearly proven technology if L Martin if LED Martin developed it and of course I think everyone here pretty much knows locked Martin is very heavily involved in UA crash retrieval and and other things that they are hiding from Congress in a in a very big way so uh so I guess my question is how do we know that this system would pick up UAP Ian it's a great question um I I thought a lot about this and it's fun because for one thing we know that uh we know that UFOs get picked up on Radars because people have said that the the um you know the whole Tic Tac thing was all about they were observing these things for a week or weeks be prior to the big encounter that they had and they saw it on radar they actually thought there was something wrong with their radar because these blips weren't moving like anything should move so we know that radar picks up something but there's a flip side of it um you know we we get radar we get UFO reports we don't have access by the way to to military radar data right but people are out there making reports but just imagine they're only seeing stuff that either it's a daylight sighting right so um and you can go outside right now and look for airplanes see if you can see 50 airplanes because my radar can see 50 airplanes but you can't see 50 airplanes up there you can maybe see two at a time or whatever because they they become dots and they become really hard to see but also um you know people report UFOs at nighttime but those are the ones that glow we don't know that every up UAP glows or UFO glows um that just happen to be that the ones that do are the ones that get reported for all we know uh maybe every night there's 50 UFOs go over your head that you never see yeah wow so maybe the military knows that but they're not telling us yeah they don't like to tell us much of anything it's if they're not tell they're not being truthful with Congress and we know that the Pentagon has been lying through their teeth uh to our lawmakers for literally decades and they continue to do so there they sure as hell or not going to be honest with the American people and and I think this is what is so fantastic about this is this these are the tools that will put the ability to collect scientific data on UAP in the hands of Americans let alone uh people worldwide because you you truly think that this will be an affordable thing that can be deployed on a on a on a broad broad level well yeah let's talk about that for a second so there's one way to develop uh instrumentation and I think the Galileo project is going down this path where you have a suite of instruments you know um RF emission detector uh you know Optical infrared uh you know some kind of telescope Zoom kind of thing you can you can put together a bunch of instruments uh for great cost typically because we want we want them to be scientific grade instruments that are gathering data that's calibrated Etc right but then you put those let's say 10 places and then you sit back and wait for a UFO to fly over one of those 10 places so that's one approach and by the way I'm really familiar with that approach because um the weather research Community has been interested in tornadoes forever right but how often do you think a tornado flew right by one of their you know research Radars it basically as far as I know it's never happened I don't have any knowledge of that ever happening what what had to be done was find out a way to get to the tornadoes so that's how the Doppler on Wheels started is because we realized if you you know great that you have a scientific instrument but if it can't if it's nowhere near the in phenomena you're trying to study who cares right right so the idea here is um I I took it to the limit so not 10 sites but how about 10,000 sites if we had 10,000 sites we would have a multiple U radar coverage of every object that is over the continental United States now the only there's no way that you could hire a staff to run that that system so this is not a scientific Endeavor you know like NASA would do or something like that this has to be citizen science so that's that's where I've taken it and that's my concept that I'm pushing forward is this need needs to be turned into a consumer product a consumer product that you can buy Matt or anybody else and and just install it just like you would install a printer like it's not you don't need to be a scientist you don't need to adjust anything you just plug it in and it it starts collecting this data but we what we do need is a lot of people have to do that because otherwise we're gonna have low statistics we want High statistics right so so in addition to having this sort of sort of array of of radar uh detectors uh essentially these passive detectors does does that end up just becoming one giant phased uh phased array radar system oh yeah you know I didn't get that far in in that this one picture of course all the data that's collected uh from these receivers would all go through uh through a a pidal server server Network so in other words uh your local data would go to a server but then that would be combined with kind of a a more broad server and that would all end up at some Central server where that data then uh can be combined and turned into a triangulated XYZ coordinates and XYZ velocity co uh coordinates that um that can just be put on a map so I wonder if I have an I shoot I don't have right in front of me an example of what that map would look like but you know you can imagine just map of the United States or a map a zoomed in part of your state or or over your house or whatever that just shows if there's anything anomalous that happens to be flying over shows its velocity and and you know its acceleration it experienced and um you know that kind of thing I mean I I've um presented this to people who said well in one case I said you know you might be able to see you might be able to prove UFOs are real twice a week wow and the guy said he said oh no I don't think so I mean maybe twice a month like okay whatever yeah still all right sure I'll give you that yeah absolutely and I I actually spoke to someone a an expert in this area and asked this individual if this system would po uh sorry pick not po up uh detect pick up UAP and this person said absolutely it does work it does detect UAP full stop there's it it the concept is so simple you can't you can't fool it and one of the things that I understand as well is that as you mentioned this will this will help display vehicles that are exhibiting one of the five observables in terms of instantaneous acceleration Hypersonic velocity correct that's such a great Point um the five observables um it's a great list but um if you if you really dig into it uh what's really important what you know let's say Hypersonic velocity if you see something that's Hypersonic velocity that does not mean that it's a UFO it doesn't mean it's from space A Space Alien right you can't make that leap because we can make something that goes Hypersonic velocity you know uh you can't uh I think stealth is one of them so if you if there's something up there that's stealth well we make stealth things and um even if it looks let's say it looks like a flying saucer so that so there's no uh control surfaces or whatever well actually we have that technology it's called a balloon you can make a balloon that looks like a UFO and uh we could take a picture of it that does not prove that it's from you know space so the only one uh observable that really matters that that's really basically undebunkable is instantaneous acceleration and which is what this whole system is designed to detect wow so in stantaneous acceleration is let's say an object is uh stationary in the sky like a balloon might be but then suddenly takes off at Mach One you know and in the blink of an eye okay well not only is that unusual but if I gave a group of scientist1 million to to fake that they can't fake it we do not know how to do that there's a lot of stuff that we can fake but that's not one thing that we can fake and if you really do have quantitative caliber ated scientific data that's shows that happening you you more or less have proved aliens exist could this system detect stealth aircraft in our airspace um it's it's hard to say I mean we did a study when I was at the national Center for atmospheric research to uh our weather radars were actually able to see the wakes of of aircraft that were uh stealth aircraft so we weren't looking at stealth aircraft but we were trying to see if we could detect the wakes so you know when they say stealth what they mean is it's hard to see they don't mean it's impossible to see and um the way radar sensitivity works is uh the closer an object gets to you the more the easier it is to detect so you know if a if a stealth you know let's say UFO or whatever I don't know we don't know the answer to this of course but this is a pretty sensitive radar so it might pick up stealth I don't know and one of the one of the advantages to this system as I understand it with an as opposed to an an active radar system that has an emitter that that spins around is that this constantly stares at the sky it's a it's a it's a you know staring instrument so it's it's it's staring at at an entire area for a a constant period of time but it it's not like a very narrow band where like if you had a an active radar emitter that is sweeping around and perhaps during its its sweep it misses something that that flies by while it's not looking correct so that's one of the advantages of the passive s system that's exactly right so normal a normal radar works by transmitting a pulse but it transmits in a beam and they call it a pencil beam so imagine just a just like a laser beam but you know it's not that refined but it transmits in a particular direction and then if it bounces off something it's looking for signals that are bouncing off that thing and where it's pointing so so it's not only transmitting in a you know with a high gain in Just One Direction it's also receiving in that same direction so that means uh you know especially something like a UFO that can instantaneously move from one point to another if it exists which I think it does um it could you could completely evade a radar that's looking for it just because it's it's not it's just like trying to find it with a telescope that we talked about earlier it's really hard to find something with a telescope you need a surveillance system what this passive radar does its antennas have a very broad uh actually hemispheric spherical reception area so you're looking at the whole sky at once and um it processes that whole picture uh up to 15 times a second so if there's anything in the sky um you'll see it 15 times a second until it's not in your view anymore and the view these things can see out um 150 km wow you know something like 100 miles and the more sensors that are like say in my neighborhood let's say there are 20 20 sensors here in Hollywood and they're all staring at the same piece of Sky the more sensors that are deployed even if it's in in a relatively tight geographic area does it increase the resolution of the data at all it does yep it's like a um basically a lease squares fit so if you get more and more um overdetermined detections of the same object it just keeps getting more and more refined where that object is and what its velocity is and it also makes more and more uh it impossible for it to be some kind of anomalous thing like like Radars have this thing called anomalous propagation but if you had an anomalous propagation for one radar it's not necessarily going to be the same for another radar it's looking in a different direction so uh you know those kind of things are very dependent on your position with respect to the Target and if you had multiple uh you know multiple detections of this thing um it'd be really hard to debunk that it would be really hard to find any other explanation than an object in the sky so so kind of explanations that you'll hear from debunkers such as uh radar you know false radar returns that kind of thing this addresses that shortcoming correct yeah and I mean another way it does it is just because um even with regular Radars if you're looking at something 100 miles away you know that's what you're doing but this uh uh the idea here is a a grid or you know kind of a random grid right of 10,000 receivers that's the goal and um the that means that they're all about 20 kilometers away from each other so no one radar actually even has to look further than you know 30 kilometers let's say uh and if there was one object somewhere you'll get five detections of it from five different receivers does will weather affect the efficacy of the system like inclement weather uh it's really that's another by the way deficiency of optical systems right is that uh if it's cloudy and you know let's say you have an optical system designed for UAB detection on your roof and you live in the midwest where I'm from um well that's just that means that half of the year you don't see anything because it gets overcast you know in the fall and then it clears up in the spring in the me meantime you have a low cloud ceiling and you're looking at nothing so this this however goes right through that just like when it rains or when it snows or when there's any kind of weather your FM radio doesn't go out you still hear it that's the same thing that that that totally makes sense and in terms of the the size of the object flying around if it's say the a silver orb the size of a basketball 20,000 feet up as long as it's in the field of view of the sensor would it detect that um you said the size of a basketball yeah something you know something relatively small do you think it would detect it I actually wrote it down kind of so I wouldn't forget uh typical kind of things um let's see something the size of a basketball that's about minus 10 dbsm they call it so there's a thing called radar cross-section and you just look at the silhouette of an object and and measure that area of the silhouette that's the radar cross-section roughly right um something that's like a basketball size you could see this um I mean the theory because I work through the theory and then you have to make your instrument that good so my instrument is quite not that good yet but uh the theory says I could see that at 90 kilometers wow wow okay so if if it was a if it was a tin foil let's say a reflective basketball if it's just a basketball so so it's you know made of rubber that changes the game quite a bit because right it's radar you need to reflect the signals and there is some Min minimal Reflection from just objects that aren't air uh but um if it's metal that's where you get the real significant Reflections wow so and as we know as you stated earlier there is a very long history of UAP returning radar reflection so there's no reason why this would not detect UAP no I I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work I I do think that there I mean this is what Peter Davenport suggested to me Mitch you would be proving UAP or he says UFO like me sure you would be proving UFO twice a week with this thing I love it absolutely love it well why don't you give us a tour of what you have uh what you've developed and let's see a live demo of this well let uh if you can share my screen I'll just start up a demo okay let's see there you go so right now I uh it's in the um very much an engineering stage right now so right now I'm just going to start data collection let me let me just kind of give you an idea of the setup that I have here so you can see what's involved okay I'm grabbing the the the camera right off my computer but so I'm just sitting here at this uh this desk uh if you can see that I have a big picture window behind me and then I have uh there's a door over here where I can go out to the antennas they just a few feet out there okay but what I have is this system um this is a multi-channel softwar defined radio I'm only using two of the channels okay or with two antennas um it goes into the computer so I mean as far as the hardware is required it's a computer and then a software defined radio and then these uh uh the wires lead over here to uh just goes outside uh to the two antennas and now that system now is collecting the data it's set up right now to collect the data for five minutes um because I I turned it into a little um uh time lapse video that just shows you what was detected during those five minutes but right now it's just cranking away at uh recording the raw data the raw samples of the RF receive signal and I can go outside and show you uh show you the antennas and just give you an idea what that's like okay Mitch so we've switched to the camera on your phone let's take a little field trip and see what the sensor looks like yeah so I have the two there's just two cables that go to the two antennas that are outside um and they're right out this door I have a little antenna Rotator by the way that just so I can point the antenna around and get a better uh fine tuning on it which is you know a manual kind of thing that it oh I'm sorry manual kind of thing an engineer would do but the consumers would never have to do that and out here I have the two antennas so the one that you're seeing right in front of you is a a yagi basically a TV antenna um and I have that pointed essentially at where roughly Denver International Airport would be okay and then um I mentioned that Lookout Mountain in Golden Colorado is where the transmitters are which is pretty much in the direction I'm pointing and that's why I have this antenna for maximum reception from that angle okay the one that's on the the one that's on the chair that's a that's an antenna that's an antenna okay so it's uh the this metal part is just a frame but this uh long tube is the dipole of it so that's what's receiving the energy and the way that this kind of antenna works is its maximum lobe is in the direction per perpendicular to that dipole so it's pretty basic how it's set up um two the two wires has come in into the receiver I'm Amazed by how compact this whole system is it's not some huge telescope or huge sled with a whole slew of of sensors on it this is like very very compact it's like nothing I totally agree and it's going to be even less when it's uh you know when we package it for Consumer use I mean uh as far as the receiver uh that I was just pointing out in there there'll have to be a the computer part will have to be with it okay but in terms of the antennas it's going to just be one single Mass with one uh one array on it that does both of these jobs of these two antennas okay wow this is fantastic so let's let's head back in and we'll continue with the data processing and all of that good stuff so so what are we looking at here in this this black and white window here hold on a second I'm just uh uh well I told I told the um system to record 107.5 so that's 107.5 megahertz um it brought up the um two channel receiver that I was talking about so I have a channel a and a channel B and right now it's just taking that data um and cramming it into a file and there's um there's a file that's getting bigger and bigger this the file for this amount of data is about a gigabyte right now but this is um you know when we operate the system that all gets U processed so that we don't have to be sending gigabyte files around to make the system work okay and how long does this particular process take on average for this period of of data collection time with processing and everything it's five minutes or 300 seconds okay so that that's what I just arbitrarily decided we could go bigger but then there would be a 2 gigabyte file if I did 10 minutes you know right so it's just it's just a demo length file got it okay so it's it's it's sitting there collecting all of the radar Reflections off of anything flying in this vicinity of where you're at that's right there's one antenna is pointed more or less to Denver so I I mentioned before that these are omnidirectional antennas but for my demo system it's easier to set it up this way because I need to have two different antenna patterns which I can do uh with a phased array but it's harder to do you know when I'm I'm doing all this manually for this demo right so I'm just using one uh directive antenna pointing at near Denver International Airport the other one is just trying to pick up the direct signal from the um there's a transmitter by Golden Colorado on a mountain there and that's where I'm trying to pick up the the direct signal now this obviously what you've done here takes someone with significant technical knowledge engineering knowledge physics knowledge someone as such as yourself that has experience with with these types of systems so for this in order for this for any for like the average person to participate in this process it it needs to make the next jump in development correct into a package packageable and Deployable retail product yeah you hit it on the head you know and I I I have to just back up a second too because I didn't mention the radar is just one po one part of a three pronged system that we want to deploy so the pre pre uh three prongs of the system are the radar receivers but also a video recording app so this would be where um uh you know a thing where you can point your phone at something you see in the sky and it would be keeping track of your U uh attitude of the phone because there's actually an mu an inertial measurement unit in the phone that knows where it's pointing so you can use that to um that data can go back to a central server system and then if you have multiple people that that can that see the same object in the sky um you can try angulate that and get independent data but the reason why that's uh you know those kind of apps are out there already but the reason why it's uh important in this case is because we have a radar a radar that can see so much further than it than a phone can see or your eyeball can see you know you you can't see more than about 10 kilometers an object in the sky be before your eyesight's just not good enough or a phone is not good enough to see that but this radar can see 100 kilometers away so um what that means is the rad the radar could detect an object coming your way and this whole system that I described could send an alert to your phone that says hey jump out of your chair run outside and look to the Northeast because there should be an object approaching in 10 seconds and if you can you know get out there you have a chance of actually getting this independent video data and even even if there was only one person that got a video data of it so you didn't triangulate it with a video data but you just had a video image you have Providence and you also have you you're able to uh confirm the radar sighting and it just makes it a multisensor um event which is like gold that's like gold to a researcher multisensor event the third prong is the National UFO Reporting Center because you you need to call in that you report that you saw that and um you know who knows how many people call stuff in into you know reporting centers around the country or whatever who knows how many people do that when there is some other multisensor data but there's no way to connect the two events together and here we could have radar data a visual sighting or or you know some other event uh you know what if what if a UFO stopped your car let's you know like we've heard happen in the past before and you got out and you looked at it and it flew off or whatever but actually it was also recorded on U on this system as radar data I mean that would be tremendous and we one thing also that we never we don't correlate is what if uh what if somebody you know experiences an abduction which we don't we don't know if these are true or not we just like UFOs we don't know but what if somebody experience experiences an abduction and at the same time there was a radar detection over their house wow I mean you know these things that's why these three prongs putting them together into one system is is kind of like the Holy Grail of proving that UFOs exist essentially you know uh also the fact that everybody around the country has access to this information and you know people have like a vested interest in it because they've actually were the ones who collect Ed the data because they bought the box or they were the ones who are part of the video Network um all those people are going to know UFOs are real this would be essentially like uh you know a public disclosure now with let's say there's let's say I have like this the same technical Acumen as you do same educational background engineering background and whatnot with the information that you've shown in terms of the papers the scientific papers I could go and make one of the these things myself with the data that you've you've revealed correct yep uhhuh wow okay yeah I I I I can barely get the lights to work on my show so I don't know that I'll be able to create anything like that but but the important message here is that you are sharing this with the world and saying as you're going to prove here in a second that this stuff does work and that if people want to develop this they can do it as well or uh if you're I take it you're looking for uh investors to help get this over the the deployed Finish Line as far as taking what is essentially an engineering prototype and putting it into a marketable product correct that's right I mean what um I mean I duplicated Holland's work mostly to prove to myself it worked and I needed to see that and I also gained the experience that I need to know how this is going to fit into the this kind of network I'm talking about so I gained that knowledge to know that this is something you know I I proved to myself um the proof of principle of this whole concept but the next step to this is is it's U definitely engineering but it's not like research and development this is not like building something that's never been done before really what this is is a a product development task okay I've been on product development teams right and you know injection molden plastic and the whole nine yards right and I know what's involved there um it's it's not a volunteer thing you can't do it as a member of Galileo project or member of seu the scientific Coalition for UAP study you know this is a professional Endeavor with professionals who know how to do product development because uh and not not just that manufacturing and distribution and support right it's the whole thing um the the point of uh it's just like the radar trucks great that you have some great radar but if you don't put it on a truck and go find those tornadoes it didn't help you so an instrument design has everything to do with the whole package you have to put it all together or or it doesn't matter so you can have the best passive radar I could make this thing so great but if it just sits on my desk giving me great data I'm never going to see a UFO the whole point of this is it's got to be taken to a consumer product level and distributed and part that is the price has to be low you know because people aren't going to pay $20,000 to do this or $2 million right now you can buy a radar like this but it would cost you $2 million right okay that's not an effective solution for this problem it needs to be something that's packaged simple to use and reliable and by the way that you know there's uh I'm just going to throw this in there um every time an airplane flies over it's sending its uh transponder data which tells you exactly where it is in space and how fast it's going and that becomes a calibration for the radar so every one of these systems that's sitting out there is being constantly calibrated by 50 airplanes at once so there's no you know the the reliability of the data is so high due to that kind of calibration if there's any question about whether this you know whether is detection is real or not you know all you have to do is compare the 20 airplanes that are on the display and see if they're real so that's part of the system and and that all that stuff is part of this whole system and how it goes together because the it's really a top- down design how do we prove UFOs exist well we have to measure instantaneous acceleration well how do we do that radar is the only way to go and how do we get radar out there that that's going to have the statistics or you know have a chance of a UFO flying over we have to have them all over so you can see how all of this just came out of the same top down requirement and I take it that the transponder dat data from aircraft or adsb data you could ingest that into the software to to subtract those targets out of the visual display correct leaving only the anomalous ones that's exactly right okay I mean we can we can have UFOs that start sending adsb data you know that's transponder data and start flying you know uh flying around if you call it flying start floating around at you know 500 miles an hour so they're not detected but uh you know there's nothing you can do about that right wow yeah and are you concerned at all we know that the department of energy has the power to and we and we know that the UAP crash retrieval stuff is classified under the department of energy under the 1954 atomic energy act are you worried that they can use their powers to come and take this away that's certainly a concern and if you know given the what we said about this system you can see it's going to give you disclosure that's what it's going to do so you know if they're motivated of course they could who knows what they what can they not do I have no idea but what I think is this has to be a project you know I talked to the uh to seu about this and we we went through um I worked with Robert po by the way Robert Powell is the sweetest human being I might have ever met he's the nicest guy and super good to work with I enjoyed so much working with them and we put together a plan that would involve seu and um we um presented that to the board of seu and they kind of came well we put together a plan that that was really really tailored to both my abilities and my company and what we can do and and tailored to you know fit us as well as tailored for seu um they kind of they came back with a uh which by the way I'll just I didn't mention this yet it's a 3.5 million doll project for 24 months so the idea is we hire the people we crank away at this and 24 months later we start selling these units um and then you can buy one off the shelf that's the idea of how it would work um seu came back they they obviously like the system because they came back with a proposal but it was more tailored for them is M more than it was for for me because it was more like nine years I estimated it was like a nine-year program probably $12 million to get all the way to the Finish Line on it and several kind of off-ramps that seemed to me to be uh undesirable kind of um risks so I uh but the you know the point of this is uh this is something that people recognize would be scientifically really interesting um but it's it's all got to fit into a practical doable thing you know one of the comments I got from seu was you're not asking for enough money you can't do it for this amount of money but I'm I'm pretty good at uh bring I have a pretty cracked team that can put all this together for that 3.5 million and that would include um the National UFO Reporting Center being upgraded significantly the app being built this radar being built this whole three-prong system would be put together with that kind of funding all right so you're done recording all the data now what is the next step oh let me uh uh for this demo the next thing is now there's a file with raw data in it um I'm going to take that file and run it through the post-processing okay so let me just click a button here for a second I don't know if you can see everything but I can yeah okay I misspelled it okay we'll just let that grind away it takes about five minutes to process it okay you know that which in other words this could be a real-time system just the way it is um okay wow so so so it's essentially taking the the sensor data and turning it into a graphically presentable form is that right yeah I'm I'm going to make what's called an ARD which is the same display that we saw in the holand paper an amplitude range display okay so um I'm sorry amplitude range Doppler display um and then like I said well it's uh it's counting percent now so we can kind of watch that it's at 20% right now okay yeah I'm not seeing I think it may be getting chopped off there so one of the one of the advantages so you spoke about the fact that the department of energy if they find a technology a a threat to National Security they have the legal means to go and grab that technology and stick it on a shelf so the public never sees it or another company doesn't see it and develop it but the idea here in revealing this and showing that it works is is so that anyone can go and develop it if they have the money resources and skill and since we're really putting this out for the world to see it's it's you know it's it's going to be impossible for doe or the government to shut this thing down yeah thanks for thanks for getting me back on track because that's why I brought up uh working with seu because the idea was to to make this a public well-known project that we're all working on together right and um the way the project is designed um there's a bunch of uh Gates that we go through that aren't going to be that threatening to the department like we're going to upgrade the National UFO Reporting Center we're going to make that video app um you know we're going to bring some AI capabilities into the National UFO Reporting Center and we're going to start getting like a a small system of the radar working in a local area right so none of that's quite a threat yet um but we're getting more and more people involved there's 300 people in Su now I'm not saying that I'm doing anything with Su that was a proposal that we went through um and I didn't I wasn't uh ready to accept their counter proposal but um that's the idea and then you know I'll tell you what uh Peter Davenport was at the contact in the desert and I uh he was on
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