in this episode we'll meet taryn southern a storyteller whose own personal story will take us on a journey from art to artificial intelligence and from stem cells to brain machine interfaces and we'll find out why she remains optimistic about the future of humanity [Music] for your entire career from youtube to vr to ai to now neurotech it seems like you're always at the forefront of the new technology that is about to be huge how does that happen why are you always right there oh man that's i don't know if i'm always right there sometimes i feel like i'm a little too early and then i wish i would have waited a few months for things to catch up but i i grew up in wichita kansas which is you know it's not exactly the capital of innovation in the world um and i was really drawn to technology from a very young age because it was my window to the outside world you know i remember logging on dial up style to aim to meet people around the world and to learn about what was happening in places that i had never seen or been and just feeling so excited about the connectivity that we had access to i remember doing my first painting in like an ms dos software system i think i composed my first piece of music with some archaic music composer just using my keypad so it's always been it's always been this sort of intuition or second language for me to use technology as a means to engage with the world or as a means to create in a space where i don't actually have skill sets so i think in that way it's very natural for me to to experiment with all of these different technologies so at that young age when you were first kind of exposed to the wider world through the internet did you have sort of like a self-understanding of i'm a creator and i'm going to use technology as my medium not that young i just i was highly creative um when i wasn't busy tinkering on my computer i was building model airplanes with my dad shadow boxes for my hamsters so that they could have beautiful little worlds to engage in got to get them out of the cage um i would make my own clothes for my barbies so i i suppose i was just interested in creation of all forms but i didn't have i didn't have a lot of formal training of any kind um i was not a dancer i was not a musician so i was forced i think to look at these more advanced technological tools in order to facilitate my desire to create in those spaces so from other worlds from your hamsters to youtube yeah um i think i'm gonna make an assumption for women on the internet sometimes technology is not always a good thing so how did you balance the promise of you know a creative outlet that was this new youtube platform and the perils which is sometimes being connected to the wider world isn't always fun great question and i actually learned my first lesson in that i was 16 years old i had built a website for my beanie babies collection obviously i had taught myself html from message boards and about two months after this website was up and i had built these really adorable sparkly gifts where the beanie babies are rotating obviously and apparently ty the parent company of beanie babies was not very happy about this so i received a copyright infringement letter telling me that i was going to be sued i'm 16 years old i am terrified i get this very nasty worded email and my dreams of becoming a computer engineer were shot overnight um but i learned an important lesson from that and that lesson has carried on throughout my career online which is well there's actually a couple of lessons one is you never know how people are going to react to even the most benign material and when you're putting something up online you are you are inviting uh reactions from anyone and uh the second thing i learned is that unless you take it down it's there forever uh and i think that those lessons were really helpful for me when i started my youtube channel i think i was 21 years old when i uploaded my very first youtube video it went viral it got me on a lot of talk shows and it also had its fair share of criticisms and um and i don't know i just i i kind of saw it as this unique opportunity to have my creativity and my art seen by by these audiences that i never would have had access to here i was like in la fighting to get a meeting with an agent so that i could maybe get an audition for a tv show that i could maybe be on and maybe be seen by a couple hundred thousand people and on youtube i could upload something and for whatever reason uh millions might watch and that was an exhilarating opportunity so i think i think with all of the downsides that came along with it i was always able to balance out the reality which is this this is a an incredible point of access for any artist to do anything they want with no restrictions so i was able to focus on sort of the positive aspects absolutely and i think you build thick skin over time but i also i don't i don't remember it ever really getting to me um the the negative commentary because i just i don't know maybe i was just able to tune it out there were other things about the job that certainly got to me that was not one that wasn't one i mean let's be honest they gave you copyright infringement because your website was too good so i feel like these days that's more of like a compliment from the company yeah than anything else so you were able to kind of find your feet quite early as a creator tell me about the jump then from the more two-dimensional video medium that we're maybe more familiar with to virtual reality it was a big leap um i spent most of my 20s working in both traditional tv and film as well as youtube and i think by the end of that era it was about a 10-year run i had made several thousand videos and was starting to become i was already in burnout and i was starting to become very disillusioned about what was necessary for me to keep up with the hamster wheel of content and feeling like if i don't upload every day the algorithms are going to punish me i will lose this whole audience that i've built and i've been building this audience in someone else's backyard so i really don't actually have control and in that moment i decided to take some time off i was again so burnt out i didn't even know what i wanted to do next so i took three or six months and i said i'm gonna play around and just look around at what's happening in spaces that are interesting to me and i happen to go to a party a uh vr party i put on my first ever vr headset it was an htc vive and i think i was a little anxious that day about something that was going on i don't remember what but i slipped into this beautiful expansive underwater world in the middle of a party with hundreds of people and i felt my heart rate slow and this almost meditative experience take over and i thought i don't know what this is or how they make it but i have to be involved and so i spent the next six months learning everything i could about virtual reality and how to make vr content game engine content 360 video content um i applied for a a program with google that was like the google vr lab with several other creators and was part of that inaugural program where we really learned every aspect of vr creation including 360 spatial audio and we got to just play and experiment and see what is this new medium and what kind of impact will it have on audiences super cool time what is different about virtual reality in terms of the stories that you can tell and what you're saying the impact on audience very different and i mean i wish i'd had more time to experiment than the than the nine months that i was playing around but i think you know with with 2d filmmaking the director can be very specific in terms of the kind of experience that they want the audience to have uh you know they're literally picking the exact shot that the audience is going to see the music everything it's all it's all just you are being directed through an experience whereas with 360 vr the participant has far more control over what they choose to see over how did they choose to engage depending on the technology being used for the 360 vr there could be multiple story lines so a person might actually be making their way through a story um i think that kind of interactivity is something we've never seen before in 2d and then on top of that and this is where i found myself even more fascinated with the difference in vr is you're able to have a greater physiological effect on the human body through vr content our brain is it's this very funny object uh that oftentimes cannot tell the difference between reality and virtual reality when the environments are so photorealistic and when you get things like spatial audio happening the experience becomes instantly more immersive and we are able to embody an experience more frequently in virtual reality and so this is why it can be very effective for things treating things like ptsd um for for if you're looking at things like cognitive bias any kind of pain response trauma response vr can be a highly effective tool yeah retraining behaviors retraining behaviors exactly more so than two-dimensional content and that's what i find fascinating do you use it regularly now in your own life if you need to um perhaps you know alter your physiological state maybe reduce your heart rate calm down handle some anxiety or is it something that you've only used as a creative tool for storytelling no i i was using it for a while for to reach meditative states i was in a couple of different programs that would able me to do that sadly i moved into a new cottage a couple of years ago right before covid hit and someone burglarized my space and stole my htc vive so i have not actually had a headset for the last two years and um and i'm so curious now you know if i were to use some of those programs how i would feel but but a hundred percent i mean when i was going through chemotherapy two years ago i thought i really wish i had my head set here right now this would just make this whole process a lot more enjoyable than looking at a white hospital wall yeah absolutely i love that you went from creating like whole other worlds for your hamsters to creating like 360 whole other worlds for for humans yeah yeah and it was such a it was such a cool process we um my team we didn't have a lot of money and i had already experimented with 360 video i was a little bit less excited about 360 video in part because the tech wasn't there yet to be able to do high super high resolution uh 360 video um however game engine animation could have this level of photo realism that was bar none so i was like i want to do that and my team said well we don't have the budget for that and so we got really creative and we we basically repurposed consumer animation technologies uh google tilt brush and google blocks to create these beautiful immersive worlds on a dime using some of the top vr artists around the world who are very good with these tools and um the i think that the end result turned out very well uh one of the projects just won an att film award last year and um it's been recognized as a sort of a novel use of of vr tools um to accomplish that immersive environment so it was a great learning experience i mean it sounds like using the technology as tools really opened up a lot of possibilities for you as a creator but you've also collaborated with technology how do you collaborate with the technology oh man and this this next project was really born out of the vr project as well um i was looking for background music for this vr series of vr videos and was interested in in taking a look at what was currently available um from ai software technology so i started playing around with a handful of ai softwares and i was like this is good like pretty good stuff and i was really interested in the process of creating the music the human ai collaboration process and normally when i think of normally when i think of things like ai or vr i think of them as tools because they are just like a paintbrush or a piano or any other creative tool that a human will yield and to bring their creative vision to life but ai is interesting because it is taking feedback it's incorporating that feedback it's spitting something else back out at you and then there's like a constant dual process happening until one person usually the director says we're done um and so yes i ended up i ended up making an entire album with artificial intelligence as the composer [Music] [Applause] and that was highly collaborative because there were a handful of different ai technologies that i used on the album that process looked different for each one but the easiest way to kind of break down that creative process is to compare it to that of a director and a producer or a director and an editor so i was providing the ai software with certain parameters like beats per minute key uh instruments that i want in what kind of build i want in the song is there an emotive layer there uh the ai would take that information cobble something together shoot it back at me sometimes i then provide a data set of new material based in a certain period of time or music space like this i like what you did but can you kind of combine it with this influence and then they churn out more material and so it the process is really not all that different from working with a human you just don't get the same nuanced dialogue um you know you have to as a director make sure that you can make choices represented in zeros and ones and code rather than the conversation like we're having here and were you really working with a fixed sort of ai paradigm or were you able to collaborate with the human behind the algorithm and say the algorithm is behaving like this can we tweak it and then can i try to iterate again yes actually so with two three of the three of the companies i worked directly with the founders of the companies in providing feedback on how they were categorizing certain things how the data sets were being interpreted by the ai some of the strengths some of the weaknesses um i think that you know that was a really interesting experience for me because i'm not an engineer but to see how those how those pieces of feedback could result in engineering changes was really really cool and they did i mean i know ampere music shifted some of the ways that they categorized music templates and allowed allowed uh allowed people to actually build and layer songs with single tracks which was something any artist would need the ability to do so it was fun to be part of that process well it sounds like your experience with artificial intelligence has really been one of opening up new opportunities but there is sort of another way of looking at what these machine learning algorithms can do for us that sort of limits human choice and i think maybe you alluded to that when we're talking about as a content creator the algorithm kind of controls how successful you are so what's your perspective on that yeah it's a really good question and it's i think there's no simple answer for that because we almost have to look at the meta meta layer first which is that all of us are now subject to these algorithmic nudges in everything that we're doing as content creators as writers as publishers we are incentivized by certain models and if those models don't change our content's only going to be driven more and more and more toward a certain type of uh shock value content or whatever it is that we think is going to get views um beneath that of course um when you start working with things like like algorithms as a as a creator on a particular project it is going to point out certain things to you that you may not have seen you know in terms of how you've structured your video the kinds of words that you're using i do feel like it can serve as an important part important partner or co-conspirator you know in the creative process but you could also argue that you know if it's anything like pop music um if algorithms are anything like pop music and they start to train over and over and over again on what the greatest number of people like there's an argument that everything sort of ends up the same sounding the same that there's more of a box and i don't know which way will go i mean so far in my experiments with ai i've been able to jump out of the box more than feel like i'm trapped in the box because i'm working with algorithms that are studying influences that i would never have access to like jazz and calypso music and 1800s uh romantic period piano pieces never would have made their way into my into my songwriting until i started working with ai so i think it all just depends on the perspective that you're looking at and how the artists are using it but i do think that the artist has a lot more control than maybe what some of the narratives are currently around ai it's a difference between being the creator where you're a little bit more in the driver's seat and the consumer where the way that you interact with the technology is kind of already described for you that's right i think the consumers have the least amount of power in all of this right because they're being fed content that the algorithm is happily feeding them more and more of and then all of the other reasons why technology is is creating a feedback loop a positive or negative feedback loop that they can't get out of but as a creator i mean you're telling stories using technology what are the stories that are most important for you to tell um i really love to tell stories that sit at the intersection of science and human potential i really love optimistic stories i think we have enough scary ones out there the world can be a scary place and if i have any hand in making people feel a bit more hopeful about the future then i would feel like i did my job also because i do feel hopeful about the future um i really like telling stories about humans so anytime i'm working with a technology company and they want me to do something about their technology i say well who's using this what are they getting from it and how is this technology enabling them to do more human things what are human things like love you know like being with their husband and wife being with their children uh playing tennis like all of these basic human how is this technology maybe freeing up more time so they can do that or enabling them to do that better um and we start with those questions and then work our way backwards into the storytelling um and i find that that works really well and i enjoy that process and i think it's an important aspect um it's it's an important thing for the technology companies to see too yeah as they're making the tech like are is the is the end is the end point of how humans will integrate this into their world truly being considered and in your experience is it i'd say most the companies i have worked with fortunately it is but i could look around at dozens of technologies that are supposed to be human-centric but i don't feel like the people behind the front wheel of those cars are actually seeing what it's actually doing if your intention's one thing but the result is something entirely different then something's gone wrong right well if you're talking about being able to use technology to allow humans to do more human things i think you're living proof especially from the biotechnology side that that is absolutely something that we can do now and do successfully can you share a little bit about your journey and how you leaned into cutting-edge technology in your own personal struggles sure so i've always been very interested in how i could manipulate my biology with today's technological tools and that could be something as basic as like a laser that i could put on my wrist that helps with blood circulation it exists to infrared light saunas to some more intense treatments like pluripotent stem cell injections and um i think it's just part of these curiosities i i have an understanding that we're still at the very early stages of longevity science of understanding how how our bodies uh you know how our bodies are able to keep cells alive and well and not have these detrimental cells swimming around in our bodies so i started experimenting with all of these different things i'd say five six years ago never thinking in a million years that i would end up diagnosed with stage three breast cancer and so it was quite ironic maybe even a little bit dark comedy funny that the girl who had done everything to freeze her eggs sequence her genome uh get multiple stem cell treatments um and was so active in biohacking my way through life gets very early stage um or i should say very late stage cancer at an early age what's interesting is we don't yet know all the genes responsible for all of the diseases i had a few variations of unknown significance in the breast cancer gene they haven't been linked yet but at some point i'm sure they will my grandmother had breast cancer it usually skips a generation um and i had a strange feeling since i was young i was like i feel like i'm gonna end up with this darn disease and i did so that but it came as a big shock i was 32 years old and was completely healthy when it happened but because of all of these crazy things that i had done i was able to start treatment about two months earlier than i normally would have because uh the treatment that i went through would have destroyed all of my eggs and i had already frozen them so that was nice congratulations got that done um and all of my genomic sequencing was also very helpful in being able to choose the right treatment uh the right chemotherapy um regimen as a result of having that already done and then in terms of the stem cells i had pulled those out of my hip bone a couple years earlier and why i knew that some of the coolest science being done in the longevity space was on stem cells and the older you are the older your stem cells are so the younger you can freeze them and bank them i mean now parents are encouraged to freeze the placenta of their child so the child has the the most plentiful young stem cells that they can use later in life and so as soon as i heard about this i thought well why not just do this now um get the stem cells as young as possible this is quite a painful process it was so painful i don't recommend it no no i regretted it immediately um and then i felt much better after i was diagnosed with cancer because those because they're cells from inside the bone they're very likely completely untouched um by cancer unless i had been metastatic and so if the cancer were to ever come back again we would have clean cells from my body and we would be able to see genetically why there was all these mutations that happened in the breast cancer cell we're not there yet but it will happen and this kind of personalized treatment i mean it's amazing that i did that because if if it comes back i'll have this this option that i would never have had had i not frozen them and even if it doesn't come back even if it doesn't come back if i get arthritis later in life or i have a big knee injury it's very common that you can unfreeze these stem cells inject it into your body it accelerates healing accelerates tissue development so you know i'm just planning to just be an old bionic woman i guess i love that you've given yourself that gift you can be an old bionic woman now because of your curiosity and your willingness to experiment with these yeah technologies yeah so speaking of the newest technology that maybe you're not personally experimenting with yet but the newest area that you're working in neurotech that can mean a lot of things but are we talking about physical implants into the human brain yes uh why why must we do it yes um so a couple of years ago i directed and co-produced a documentary on the future of the brain and this film followed three patients all whom had brain implants in the hopes of restoring function there was a paralyzed patient a blind patient and a woman with parkinson's all three of them had to cut open their skull have this little tiny chip drilled that down in there and then there's a period of electrical stimulation through the implant to see if you can actually have function restored i don't want to give away the movie but the reality is there are currently 300 000 people walking around the globe with one of these one of these implants um most of them for parkinson's it's pretty remarkable what they're able to do but essentially where we're at in neurotech it's a very very exciting time um things like movement hearing vision uh even a sense of touch can all be restored through electrical stimulation inside of the brain and as we conduct more and more studies on what's possible uh through brain computer interfaces or deep brain stimulation we're also learning how these implants affect other aspects of the brain like memory or treatment resistant depression and anxiety is is one that's being looked at right now in a lot of clinical trials so um it's a really exciting space i'm yes i'm working for a company that is sort of at the forefront of implantable brain computer interfaces and i think the next five to ten years we're going to see a big shift in public awareness around around these technologies what they're what they can do for people how they can change people's lives it's gonna take some time for that conversation to matriculate out to the larger public but it will happen and i think that's why it's important to start having these conversations now i think when you start talking about affecting brain function in as invasive and easy to understand of a way as putting an electrode into your brain and i'm going to be able to both record and inject current that is going to affect the way that your brain is functioning people start to get a little queasy and they start to say where do i end and where does the computer begin and then if you go back to our earlier part of the conversation about algorithms sort of removing choice and restricting the behavioral options that we have things get to get a little dystopian and dark and weird yeah how do you stay optimistic okay so i mean this is where the whole thing starts to get very philosophical and we have to start looking at who are we really and what what role does consciousness play in our personality because i can make an argument that we are all just a series of biochemical reactions i mean i don't know if this is the best example but i am going to use it because it is real is taryn who is on pms the real taran is that her real brain or is that just a series of biochemical reactions causing taryn to be more angry irritable and deeply upsetting for others to be around or is the real taran the terran that is not having these biochemical reactions but maybe other biochemical reactions such as lack of sleep maybe eating something bad having an emotional breakdown due to something at work whatever it is right like our brains are not this fixed continuous state i think most of us know what it's like at some point in our lives to go through anxiety or depression or some kind of mental illness i mean the statistics show that that is true certainly in the last two years number of people with the experience has increased certainly so yeah and so i guess for me um we've already accepted pharmacological solutions for these things i'm not saying that everyone should take them or that they're even right for anyone but as a society we've accepted that that's generally okay i don't think that there's a huge leap in the imagination to say instead of carpet bombing the brain with a substance that is highly imprecise we're now going to put a tiny little chip in that's going to stimulate only the neurons responsible for this type of activity in the brain and mimic healthy neuron behaviors in my mind that almost seems like it's bringing us closer to who we are meant to really be um that it's just it's fixing this sort of biochemical process but in an electrical way um and i might be over oversimplifying that and this is also the result of me sitting in this field for four years and having been at one time very shocked about what we could do and where we were going um but i think the more that i've been around these patients the more i've seen their lives change the more i think about all the ways in which we currently um engage with the world with various augmentations i think it's just one of those things that as as it proves to be safe and if people really feel like it's just making them the the best version of themselves i could see it be more accepted we spoke with a technologist katerina fake who talks about this concept of the technic which is like this this world that's technologically dependent that we're sort of like swimming in like the way that a fish swims in their like aquatic medium but it sounds like what you're discussing as like the next stage where the fish is actually part of the technological medium and there really is no boundary could it could be that i mean i i think the whole vision of humans connected to their cell phones that's not one i'm interested in or subscribed to as like a vision of where this could go i'm i think i'm more interested in understanding how we how we can make our lives better and most of our lives are dictated by our brain so it's just if there was just ways to subtly turn some knobs so that we could all just be more loving and a little more calm and maybe not at the mercy of our ancient limbic system uh i would be very happy with that kind of world i actually think the world that we're living in right now where where we all have our smartphones with us everywhere we go we're connected all the time but it's like with this external thing that's nudging us and poking us and notifying us and not giving us a break i find that i find that version of reality really toxic and far more scary than the idea of putting a chip in my brain that that maybe makes me just a little bit feel more like myself hmm i don't remember where i heard this but i heard it once i was like that is genius and now i keep using it like it's my phrase but that our brains evolve to keep us alive not make us happy yeah i love that quote and i think it's so true and by the way i think that there's something inherently human about grief and anger and uh and joy and experiencing all the things so i'm by no means an advocate of erasing i think what it means to be human um and the human experience so i don't know how we're gonna figure out i don't know how we're gonna figure out who sets the rules and the paradigms around this and what really counts as you know improving someone's brain by ten percent versus just making sure that they're not losing function in ways that are uncomfortable uh it's an interesting it's a really interesting question and i say that as someone who's been to a lot of therapy and doesn't shy away from healing whatsoever doesn't shy away from confronting hard realities um but i i'm i'm most fascinated by that component part of the the conversation how do we ameliorate mental health and mental illness through these devices so i'm not if i'm not in the driver's seat if i'm not the content creator and i'm a consumer how could i protect myself against some of these downsides it's really hard because it's very easy for any of these technologies to hijack the brain and so it's all about developing an awareness around what's happening how something is making you feel and then making concerted choices against that um even if it goes against your instinct so for instance with social media one of the first things that i did years ago was turn off all notifications i don't get sounds i don't get dings i don't have anything flipping up on my phone i have to make the choice to log into the the app in order to see any kind of notification or message some people find that unfathomable i feel like that is the only way i can live my life without feeling this constant um low-grade anxiety that people are reaching out to me i do the same thing with email my email's on push only so i do not get notifications on email uh i often change my phone to grayscale because just the very act of having a phone with lots of colors uh stimulates our dopamine response in our brain and so that's a one way to just make the phone altogether less interesting that's a great idea i'm gonna do that as soon as we're done talking yes and then setting hard rules around when to not be on the phone when not to be online we know that even just the light the led screen from our phone affects our circadian rhythms and our melatonin cycles and so it's a really good idea to have none of that um present after 7 pm because it affects your sleep so those are a handful of the things that i do there's a ton more science around that and how we can how we can prevent ourselves from becoming victims to you know the dreaded technology uh overlords but i think that those are really helpful and then the final the final thing which is not something that we have maybe a lot of individual say over but collectively we do have power and that's in changing incentive models for businesses away from this attention uh attention model um and i think some some of the projects that are happening right now in the blockchain space aim to ameliorate that we'll see what happens but i think that people are sort of fed up with having their data owned and their activity tracked and they want they want a new paradigm so there's literally no greater reward than dopamine so feels so good it does i don't think the attention model will necessarily go away just because that's how we're wired right we're wired that way but the awareness part is the most critical part just like meditation it's knowing when you're in a dopamine feedback loop i can tell when i want to scratch the itch by going on instagram instagram is the death of me it really is like i that's that is where i get sucked in everyone's got their thing it makes sense it's a very visual medium yeah and then the other part of this is if you find yourself sucked into a particular type of social media be very aware with what what content you're feeding into your brain it's taking suggestions from everything around you and if you're on instagram for two hours a day and you're looking at material that's sort of depressing or angry or polarizing chances are your physiology is going to follow suit so um a couple years ago i changed all of my follows to tiny houses cats and motivational quotes that's hacking your dopamine system right there i love that yeah so we were talking a little bit about the ways that technology helps in storytelling and also how it can help us be better humans and one of the most human things that we can possibly do is tell stories i mean that's how we communicate so taran the creator and the storyteller can you use your humanity to tell me a story about what the future is going to look like i see a future where we are in much more control of our physiological states because we have an understanding of the inputs that are driving them we can wake up in the morning and through a simple urination in the toilet we know exactly what nutrients micronutrients are available in our bodies we put on our brain head brain training headset to see what's happening in our brain waves and we're looking at our our sleep and we're able to walk into the day feeling like we know how to attack that day today we're feeling more creative today we are um maybe in a high focus mode maybe today is just to sit in television and cry day but just we're using technology as a means to optimize our human experience on the daily and i see content and the ways that we engage with content as as being much more of a choice for us and content linking to our physiological states so if we're going through a devastating breakup we might have access to all of this content that we know will uplift and um inspire and maybe start to shift people back into a more positive mental state while also enjoying fun content so i think that there's going to just be this whole drive toward improving the human experience in all ways you know and i also imagine that our homes are going to be built using synthetic biology and there's going to be plants growing out of everywhere and beautiful wood materials and we're just i feel like life will take on actually more vibrancy and more life and it will be focused on on the human experience rather than on the technological tools the tools will just become the way in to the experience i think that's a beautiful future to be shooting for it means a beautiful goal right but one of my favorite things about that vision is that you took me from your first interaction with the internet and learning to use technology to communicate with the outside world to using technology to better communicate with yourself and i think that's a lovely place to end thank you i want to thank taryn southern and our other experts for participating in this enlightening series on the promises and perils of technology they've illuminated an amazing array of technologies while all of our experts recognize that there are some serious perils they note that technology really could offer viable solutions to many of the problems defining this century and beyond however all of us bear the responsibility of facing the perils and ensuring the promises only by staying engaged and making conscious choices personally and as a society can we guide the tools we have developed into the creation of a brighter future [Music]
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