New Opportunities and Technologies for Authors: Advanced Self-Publishing Podcast

okay not a good moment hello everyone and welcome to the alliance of independent authors advanced self-publishing salon with me joanna pen and orna ross hi orna hi joanna and hello everyone here we are again yes and we are almost or november we're almost towards the end of the year so i hope you are doing whatever you need to do before the year is out i'm we're certainly busy we'll talk about that in a minute well today's topic we are talking about new opportunities and technologies for authors and we will be focusing today on nfts which we will explain more in a minute but before then we'd like to do a bit of an update uh so orna what's going on with ally ally um is in celebratory mode we were very honored to be awarded indie champion of the year by the romantic novelist association last week you were there you were nominated um as well as claire flynn and another indie author lizzie lam but um it was great we you know really really thrilled to accept i was there accepting the award on behalf of the team and all our advisors including yourself and and everybody else so um yeah that was great and and the other big thing that's been happening at the moment of course is uh self popcorn our annual online conference and um that was free all of the previous weekend and um half price last week but is back now behind its paywall for another little while so and if anybody wants to catch up on things look at the sessions again at selfpublishingadviceconference.com you'll find find it all there and we'll need an all access pass which gives access not just to the conference that's just completed but actually every conference we've done since we started and um and indeed if you buy a lifetime pass or all the conferences to come so um yeah fantastic that's been us how are you yes i am doing busy busy busy uh i am uh finishing energy on team of relics uh i've been working on a whole just a whole load of bits and bobs you know working with quite a lot of freelancers and getting things designed and working with the ai narration people which we will be focusing on next year and uh also i can't remember whether oh i think i walked to cuthbert's way last month since we spoke and uh essentially walked a five-day pilgrimage and i'm going to turn that into a book so i'm putting together some plans next year i should be moving into another sub-genre or another genre of of writing uh i'll be doing travel solo walking under at the travel sort of genre so uh definitely really busy i'm also working on an uh ai assisted author mini course coming out before christmas so yeah i feel like i've got a lot on and a lot of it is writing i'm doing a lot of extra episodes on my own podcast so lots of recording but i you know we like being busy and how about you yes of course we do work is more fun than fun all so busy um upgrading my website which is really doesn't sound like a big deal but you know whenever you're upgrading a website is actually a lot of questions come to the fore and it's really a complete reorganization of my work actually and how i have been kind of presenting everything on the fiction and poetry side so it's been enjoyable up to now and now there's always i always have trouble with the fiddly finishy bits i'm i love the big vision stuff and always when it gets into the detail but um we're we're at the end it was supposed to launch actually uh today i think um won't be ready for another day or two but yeah it's um one of the things i'm doing is is is what we've talked about a lot before is putting patrons and community central so um i'm really really excited more about getting it out there than anything else and yes some a new approach to fiction and everything else but i'll talk about that next month when actually things are in place but yeah it's it's it's full-on it always is i i think of this time the year is the busy season every year it always seems to be because of course everybody's winding up as well for you know the black friday thanksgiving and christmas the holiday season sales you know promotions everything so yeah it's all gold but it's all good it is all good and i think it's it i this year i did redid the creative pen and reorganized that and redid the theme and that was a lot of work did a lot of seo work next year i'm also going to do my fiction brand jfpen and really like redo the website and also you know really think about my positioning and put um selling direct up front and all of those things and again just to remind people you know both of us have been doing this over a decade and that means that you have to update things things change and you you have to keep doing it otherwise all your stuff stagnates and disappears and it it it is these things come up and they're kind of overheads of a business and it's inevitable absolutely and there's never a good time to do it but i think it comes to the point where it feels so icky and it so doesn't represent you anymore that you have to to kind of do it and so that's the way it was for me anyway it's not something i would voluntarily have chosen to do but i'm really delighted to have have it done excellent well yeah we'll talk about that um i think next year we're gonna talk a lot more about branding but talking of things changing uh today we we are talking about nfts and blockchain for authors because 2021 has seen an acceleration in technological tools lots of them and you know i briefly mentioned ai we talked about um an audio narration by ai as well and so there are lots of things going on but today we just want to focus on nfts and blockchain for authors because we feel like it's a big enough topic and it is all over the blogosphere at the moment in the author space it's really and it's been around for at least like 2021 has been the year of nfts and musicians are on it artists are on it and as creative entrepreneurs we need to be aware of this so i want to start um and we're going to get into some definitions but or not first up i want to wind the clock back to 2017 when ally started to talk about blockchain for authors and actually released a white paper on it and you had a session at london book fair there was a flurry of excitement about blockchain for authors then it all went quiet so as um the less techy one of the pair of us you saw this first for which i am crediting you uh so yeah i know but you know you you saw this several years ago so what inspired you about the potential of blockchain technology for authors and then why did everything go so quiet yeah so what was inspiring to me and i'm not techy but i am very interested in what technology can facilitate and i could see that blockchain was almost like the pinnacle in something that we had been talking about since we started an ally which was the fact that if you're an author you can write what you like and that's absolutely fine but if you're an indie author you're also a publisher and you need to think about business you are essentially in business and when you look at how publishing it was structured it was impossible for an author to be in business because a you licensed your rights and so you didn't have have that very important part of the puzzle but also the transaction chain was just crazy so and i say was this of course all of these things we've got the super super advanced stuff that we're kind of um going to touch off today the things that are already happening and then what happened in the last century is still happening in the book space so all of these things are are i am i'm i'm saying was but it isn't past tense this is still how maybe the majority but certainly an awful lot of authors still get paid last in the transaction chain so a customer goes into a bookstore the bookstore gets paid the distributor gets paid the agent gets paid the publisher gets paid the wholesaler gets paid last and least the author gets paid so what's a publishing did was it it made it possible for authors to get paid first and we don't get paid first in the sense that if we only use amazon or if we don't sell direct on our own websites if we don't have something that we sell ourselves to our customers we don't get paid first but a lot of authors are switching over and they're beginning to even if they are using the old model they've moved to the new model for some of their books or some other products or whatever so for me blockchain when i heard about what it could do what was so interesting to me was that it could split the transaction at the point of sale so that in the very moment that you get sold every that the product is sold the book is sold everybody gets paid all at once uh so and or the author alternatively is driving it is at the head of the thing instead of at the tail so that was enough to get me interested and we did a big exploration then and it was very it's funny because we were looking now at updating this white paper that we did in 2017 but an update isn't even possible things have changed so radically because a lot of what we were concerned to do at that time was set context help people to understand how people to understand even the concept that authors were in business was something that we kind of felt at that time people need to be hit over the head with sometimes still sometimes still absolutely sometimes still so there was a lot of contextualizing and stuff going on in that in that white paper so i i think the reason it went quiet was there wasn't enough practical stuff going on so we talked about what was possible we talked about its potential we mentioned some services that were springing up at that time interesting most of them are not at the forefront of the space now and but you know we did what we could and then i think it was just that bit ahead of its time it was still in the conceptual phase even though a lot of people were working on it and now i think that's changed now we can almost i think it won't be too long before we're we're actually seeing lots and lots of authors jump in here yeah absolutely and i definitely got excited about blockchain stuff like that last year and then realistically 2021 has been the first time we've even heard the term nft so i think important to say up front you don't need to know how the internet is coded in order to self-publish a book on kdp you don't have to know how paypal works in order to get money and then download it to your bank account and what we're saying is you don't need to understand how to program blockchains in order to take advantage of this type of thing and what we are also saying is it's still early days so this is kind of an awareness session for you if you haven't heard these terms before and uh so we'll go into it hopefully at the right level and then no doubt over time we'll talk about it some more but let's um just start by defining nft it is a terrible name it's it's it's an acronym it means non-fungible token but we i was talking with some people about it and i was like are we really going to call this an nft book or you know what is it going to be and what i like is this idea of a digital original or a digital special edition when it comes to the what authors us what we will do it will be a digital special edition and why this is so important and why i'm so excited is a couple of years ago and you and i have private conversations before we share them in public and i was like oh my goodness i am really worried about indie authors because i see that the value of digital is trending towards zero with the unlimited subscription model and i'm very worried that our primary means of making money is going to disappear and now we've got the answer i really seriously i think this is maybe one of the answers but it's a big answer which is digital scarcity and we understand that with the principles of buying and selling having scarcity means something is more valuable so and then the other amazing thing about nft's digital originals is the ability to resale this so think of it as a digital asset and if orna buys my nft project that i put out orna buys it and then owner can resell it and i get a percentage royalty on resale this has never happened before and it to me it is ridiculously exciting because i make money as the transaction goes down the chain for presumably the life of copyright which is 70 years after i die and because smart contracts can be essentially set up with beneficiaries you could potentially um i'm way ahead of us now but you know you could potentially put in your heirs and successes you could put in the charities so many authors ask us don't they i want to give a percentage to charity and we're like oh it's quite difficult right now but this could mean you could do that easily so those are some of the things i'm excited about what about you yeah and i just want to say that all of those are possible because of blockchain it wouldn't be possible to make that happen without blockchain technology and that's why blockchain is exciting and i think it's also important really important to say that when it comes to digital scarcity and or what you're going to put into your digital special edition it's really important that we value ourselves and i think you know in the indie author community there has been we needed a way to differentiate ourselves from traditional publishing and give ourselves an advantage and very often the advantage we've used in the community has been the price advantage we are more nimble it doesn't cost us as much to make books and so we priced lower than traditional and that has advantages certainly and in particular genres like romance and certain genre it's really important but it also has downside and um this is an opportunity for us as you rightly said to redress that balance but we won't do that unless we value ourselves as authors and i think books should never have been priced as low as they were and that happened just because of of there being a lot of competition in the market a book is not really fairly priced for the amount of work that goes into it and i'm talking about you know full-on books yeah even like 15 15 for a paperback that is still it could be someone's work for years and years i mean i completely agree with you exactly so this is a an opportunity not just for us to think about the technology and everything but to think about the value of our product and what we're bringing and and the community that we've built up around us who you know the people who are already buying our books this stuff like everything we talk about here on the advanced uh salon this stuff is the more you work you have done the more books you have the more readers you have the more of a following you have the more relevant this stuff is for you and um i think you know nfts will come into their own for those authors who have done the work of building up direct followers fans super fans some of the things that we've been talking about you know the the thousand true fans concept comes into its own here with nfts because you can really there are lots of our followers who want something more than just the book they and it's been very difficult to be able to deliver that because you get you got it you know with physical products as writers we just and publishers we just don't have the time for all of that but digital makes it possible for it to to go up to scale yeah absolutely so what is an nft yes that's the definition a non-fungible token but what does that actually mean because most of us now in the community we're used to formatting an epub for example or paying someone to format an epub we upload it and that's what someone gets on their device okay but with an nft i want people to think about i'm calling like um a digital box like a box or a container and then you can put in it whatever you want so there are artists right now using it for visual art and the most common things people are seeing are these sort of jpegs of characters and avatars which is one specific use case that is not nft's that is one use case then um that there are musicians for example who are doing collectible editions um albums songs um tickets to live events merchandise there are tokens that can be used to get a physical object they are access to communities and um so that you can get into a particular forum or you could have a consulting session with an author uh so it can be the book plus a load of other things so i'll talk about the what i'm gonna do so i'm going to hopefully uh in the next month or so couple of months let's say in the next three months i would intend to do a an nft for tomb of relics which is my next novel and the nft the container will have a i'm probably going to have three because i want to price them at a decent amount of money and this is the first book uh that i have used pseudoright which is an ai tool built on gpt3 which we've talked about separately this is the first time i'm using this new method of creation and so it marks this moment in my life as a creative where i'm starting to use different tools and there'll be a video of me actually writing so you actually see the screen and you see my face as i type you see the words arrive and so that will be and then there'll also be a photo of my hand edits or you know i edit by hand on a manuscript so it will be one of one of three two of three three of three and those nfts each one is totally original and hopefully they will sell although it's a very small market and then i'll also put into the smart contract if people want to resell them even if you know it's in a decade time when maybe i'm someone uh it will be worth it for the investment or someone just wants to support my journey so that's some of the things i'm thinking what about you anna what are you thinking about just want to first say that you're someone already [Laughter] i want to i'm really interested in using the this new technology and going back right almost into prehistory to very very old so i'm going to use it for poetry my daughter's an artist so she's going to use ai generated we haven't worked out the details at all but she's going to to use ai to produce some visuals for the words um they're going to be translations of very ancient irish texts but read on using ai and put together in some way now i don't know about the special effects or you know what we're going to add in there orna my daughter and she runs collective so there may be some opportunity for something around that as well but um i'm so excited about it it's such fun i too have started to use pseudoright we've discussed this before and i'm loving the way it's making writing so much more fun and as well as as increasing productivity but and it's just lightens everything up and then the idea of doing something that's so completely different is really creatively very energizing so yeah and all a bit vague at the moment and i won't be doing it until mid next year the soonest but very excited right and just to be clear we're interested in ai as a completely different thing to nfts the nft can just be a special edition of your book it can be um i've been using there as some generative stuff to create character pictures you could use if you could even work with a cover designer and come up with something special some people are doing video covers so there's the point is there is no one thing of what an nft is and also we're only at the beginning so it could turn into so much more for example um the alliance of independent authors could issue a token for membership as opposed to the current membership type model there are things that are going to work around community projects for um well we'll come to the project that's been the most in the news recently but i did just want to say in terms of platforms there are a few platforms around at the moment uh publica was around when uh you did that thing at london book fair and um bookchain.ca i've had on my podcast both of those have tokens and um you can sell they um you can resell you can transact but there's no marketplace um but book vaults is a new service books go social has a blog post on the ally blog about doing nfts through them and i've just interviewed the guys at creatokia and that episode will come out on my podcast um probably well as this goes out on the feed it should be out and essentially they are an established brand in the market it's going to be run by a company called book choir so i think this might be the first one the first one that's much bigger and who already have relationships within the publishing industry and are well established and in talking to the guys it's very organized you can have a look at creatokia.com

i'm sure we'll put some links in the notes um but essentially i think that's going to be potentially the one i use and there are um let's just talk about the environmental issue yeah just before just um to say the ally blog post it's selfpublishingadvice.org forward slash nfts um and um tokyo are actually on on the blog as well and book false it's not as books go social um lawrence o'brien who is uh runs books go social has contributed to the post and talked very much about his project there because he um is really specializing in indie authors um but also the the creator guys are there and book vaults are also there talking about how they are doing things and how it's slightly different so it's quite a long post and it also has the basics in it but yes um sorry just on that the point is that there are companies emerging who are going to help us do these things technically it's not like um you know the original internet where you had to kind of code html or whatever java whatever you don't have to do any of that there are already companies that are going to help you put together the nft and then sell the nft but um it's not going to be like uh a lot of the sites i mean there are there are costs involved so this is not just something to jump into and again we're saying this is an awareness um thing at the moment but hopefully we'll see more things so yeah let's let's talk about the environmental issue i mean we're obviously very concerned with the environment do you want to talk about this yeah so i i think it's important for two reasons first first of all because um obviously the environment is important to us all if we're aware awake and and thinking um but also because the accusation or the the um perception that nfts are fundamentally environmentally uh a no-no is being used to kind of stop the um certain people we'll talk about this it is a criticism that is being levied um and the thing is that different blockchains some are much more environmentally friendly than others lawrence talks in the post about um wax and they are carbon neutral i think and what i have been kind of very impressed about is the way in which once that that awareness was raised how quickly the services moved on us and you know this is a young people's territory it's millennials who are in here really kind of running and setting the pace here and this is the most the most environmentally aware people are the people who are making this happen so if if that is a concern for you it's certainly something that you you kind of need to look into but i think it's something that um all nft blockchain platforms are going to be looking at very very closely and lots of them are already doing the carbon offsetting um so yeah yeah and i think um yeah first of all you're right so the carbon offset i'm seeing on every single platform now people are like okay here's the partner that we're working with to carbon offset even if they are only slightly um positive there are some blockchains that are carbon negative which which is kind of crazy and in fact if you just do some basic googling people on environment and nfts or blockchain there's so much stuff going on but um the other thing is the redesign of existing transactional blockchain the biggest one is really ethereum and ethereum two is what they're sort of talking about which should be i guess people are saying middle of next year um and what i think is that the carbon offset will be the answer to up until then and then it may be that that solves the problem or maybe we're living in a time where carbon offset is something we do for everything because the other thing about blockchain is that it's it's much more transparent so you could level a green issue against the traditional publishing industry in terms of book printing and pulping and shipping and all of that i have no clue how much our carbon you know issues happen within traditional publishing this is just being raised about new technology but what about existing technology so i think we have to start questioning everything not just one particular thing so anything else on that or should we talk about the um what's been happening yeah i think just in terms of you know a lot of these criticisms are arising out of fear of change i think and that's what this um this particular case study is interesting um a group of young um of why a authors were very excited a short while ago they were setting up a writing nft project called rounds of ruin and they put it out there and they got absolutely hammered and people just brought up all sorts of things and um and the environmental implications was part of it accusation of being a ponzi scheme or a monkey yeah and just lots and lots of of really fear dressed up as criticism in some cases critique in some cases and concern in some cases but but really a pile on and they very quickly withdrew and everything they pulled down the entire they've spent months building this stuff and they pulled everything down they apologized and bless them they're like we have answers to these things but we just feel it it's got you know we have to just pull everything down yeah which to me was a very interesting response and um you know i feel as creators of course we listen to our communities but you know you could see the creative energy that was there for the project and then you could see the sort of creative devastation that was there when they got that response and i think it's part of a wider cultural thing where you know creators are it's really important that we stand up for what we believe in because as creators we're leading leaders not just followers of our community so yes absolutely our readers are really important to us yes absolutely our community is important to us but you will never please all of the people all the time and the people who are scared are always the people who are who you know they scream they shout they're scared and so you hear them and and you know who's to say who might have benefited from that project and how many other people were actually sitting quietly saying hey this is amazing and because you know without a doubt people were so i i think it's really interesting how much fear rises whenever there is change and whatever new technology we're talking about and it's happening in the indie author community very much to around and writing ai and and and other developments so yeah i think that for me that's the key thing the key takeaway i really wish they had stayed there i really wish they'd held their ground i really wish they'd put it out there and of course have those debates it's really important that we have those conversations environmental thing everything is is it a pyramid scheme you know is it you know let's talk about it if we just withdraw and don't go there then we don't even get to have the conversation properly yeah and it's so interesting i mean maybe it's because we've been around a while now but it feels just like the energy that used to be directed at me and you at the beginning of the indie movement the the stigma remember the stigma of self-publishing the fact that oh you know what are you doing that's so terrible why would you ever do that you know this really negative energy which is still it exists in a very small amount compared to how it was in the first years between about 2008 and 2014 that it was it was difficult it was hard to go out there i had a few i had a number of times where it was really really you know if i was the type to get upset and run away i would have got upset and run away but you know i mean now it's indie champions and it's it's prizes and it's a good thing so you know and more than that it's a full-time income for so many people and i guess that's i've been having uh been talking about this a while on my podcast and i've had a few comments uh and i have you know people some people are sort of oh no not you too you're jumping in on xxx and whatever and i would hopefully that people listening in our community know how long we've been doing this and that we're not hypey people we're actually kind of creatively curious but also we're entrepreneurs and so i also i feel like i haven't had this form of excitement since the beginning of of indy since like oh my goodness i can do this and that and the other and and this to me is the technology of of the next decade the next 15 years this is as you what are you calling it now self-publishing for 4.9 it is self-publishing 4.0 i mean yeah absolutely one was desktop publishing two was ebooks three was authors in business and taking the lead not just going with one service or one trade publisher and four and selling direct and all those things that we've been talking about and now four is all these very new different types of technologies which um allow us to do very different things that you can't do with a simple ebook or you certainly can't do with a simple print book and at the heart of courses is the rights because that was something else that happened wasn't it and in this you could see the rights issue rearing its head in this controversy as well yes yes so um yeah so this concerns me because nfts like we talked about it can be an epub or it could be an audio book or it could be a bundle of them or whatever now if you have life if you've signed a contract licensing your rights to ebooks and or audio books and or if you're older and traditional publishing you might have signed digital rights away on a contract and i found evidence from 2008 that was the contract addendum that was going around just just sign over your digital rights they don't really mean anything and that means presumably you can't do nfts now one there was an agent who kind of jumped in on all this why a author stuff going oh don't make me go down that route don't make me have to do that and i was reading it going how can you think that way if you think about resale of digital original assets that's money that i think the publishing industry is going to be very interested in and so for me it's very important that we are more cognizant than ever of what rights we are licensing and for what term because we might miss out on opportunities to create value for ourselves for our community and to do these things like um smart contracts and again this wasn't even really around last year so what will come in the next few years for example you know i published my first ebook in 2009 and i did my first audio book in 2014 i think so that's five years so right now as we record this in 2021 what's going to come up in 2026 i don't know yet but people tend to think that we're at this static point that this is it but this is not it this is just one point on the journey and this is the next step so yeah what do you think about the the right side yeah i think you've described us really really well the main thing is that we are really it's always been our advice to you know limit the territory limit the term but limit the format only cell format and i think the best example of this is is jk rowling she back in those days that you're talking about when publishers were sneaking this digital rights thing in because publishers always know you know go for as wide as possible for as long as possible take as many rights as you can every rights buyer will always be trying to maximize the the range and and the width of what's what's there uh it's some of them will just be right grabbing as much as they can and there's the reason for that there is a reason they do that and particularly in this space because you don't know what's going to emerge she was uh savvy enough to not go for that she held on to her digital rights to harry potter and if she hadn't there would be no pottermore and you know 25 billion dollar company built off the back of those digital rights exactly so it's really really really important to to think about that and to recognize this fundamental i think authors don't understand how important their rights are and this isn't about nfts this is about everything we see it with audio books a lot i hear a lot of i just hate this sentence you know oh well i wasn't going to do anything with audio anyway so i might as well have sold it to one of these audiobook publishers that gives you a couple of grand up front and the rights are gone for 10 years um you know well okay maybe you're not going to do anything with audio but maybe in two years time you might um you know so really thinking very very carefully and understanding the value that's embedded a lot of authors saying i'm not making enough money but they're not thinking about all the different formats that their books can be and when you look you see that they only do an ebook or they only do a print book and you know so this extends now becomes even more important as these new kinds of formats and possibilities and potentials come into the marketplace so yeah valuing ourselves valuing our rights valuing what we do and and and you know the huge thing that that self-publishing um 1.0 2.0 and 3.0 have done for us which is allowed us to be the people who decide and make the decisions around our rights and selectively license them wherever we want to this isn't about not working with publishers or not working with agents or anybody else who can help us it's about being selective and understanding the value of the rights yeah really really really really important that yes and if you've been listening to us for years we have been harping on about it enough but yes i think the main thing is it does feel a bit wild westy right now and that's because it is like the wild westy days of the first years of ebooks it is a new technology uh you know but again think back to the late 90s the sort of dot-com boom of the year 2000 there were a lot of companies around a lot of them disappeared but amazon um was i wrote it down amazon original amazon was like founded in around 1994 something like that and uh look how much is that worth but i found the date so amazon kdp was founded in late 2007 and i first published in 2008 and then it wasn't really available to international authors for another year or so smashwords in 2008 kobo 2009 ibooks 2010 draft to digital 2012. so realistically we've only been in just over a decade of um you know well 14 years for amazon kdp but pretty much we we are not this is this is just the next iteration of what our ecosystem is going to look like so again you don't need to buy anything you don't need to join anything you don't need to do anything all we would ask is that you educate yourself and we're obviously trying to help with that and stay curious and stay playful as opposed to sort of the fear and the doubt and the uncertainty and jumping on the negative side we want to stay open to the possibilities and of course we will share as we have our own experiences yeah absolutely and don't don't run this down unless you've you know don't knock it till you try it i think is really important and i do understand and that we can feel a bit overwhelmed you know we're just getting to terms with ebooks and audio books digital audio books and you know the rights that we have to all of these and now boom along comes this kind of thing this isn't going to sweep anything away everything you you've been working on carry on and this is kind of an extra and it is something that i think don't think about nfts unless you are really really ready to for an adventure at this point and and don't think about them until you want to do an add-on to the fundamentals in other words you know get your ebook publishing up understand your readers their reader journey what your value is to them you know get all those get your positioning in the marketplace right your your genre your category your sub genre all those kinds of things when when they're in place and you're able to sell books at that level is the time to begin to to think about this so what we're doing here is a heads up really it's a heads up this is happening it's already happening for some authors there are lots of of examples on the ally blog and yesterday and lots of authors who are jumping in there joanna's jumping in i'm putting toe in and you know people are already doing it but also and it's it's something that's going to come and it's more about blockchain i think than anything else it's about understanding what blockchain can do i'm quite sure that nfts is only the start we'll be hearing lots of funny acronyms and weird words in the next number of years that we'll have to get used to because blockchain technology is a game changer and that's going to bring out people's innovation and creativity and so yeah keep an eye watch the space um and we'll we'll we'll bring it to you if we think it's worth your time and attention and we do think nfts are indeed and i have lots more interviews also on my uh podcast the creative pen podcast and check out the one with creatokia which is coming on the 5th of november 2021 okay if i could before we go just give a plug to your book i think it's a really good place for people to start because you look at all these emerging technologies so can you just give them the name of the line again i can never remember it it's a really long one it's called like artificial intelligence blockchain and something else technologies yes what you need to remember joanna penn or the creativepen.com forward slash books and it's there and yeah that was kind of a positioning thing for last year and i feel like it things are moving so quickly but we're trying to stay up and as owner said this is a this is an and thing this is not a replacement thing this is uh you know i'd be doing ebooks paperback hardback large print audio and an nft it's kind of crazy but hey we gotta have some fun so we are almost out of time is there anything you want to share about the coming month or no not really except to say to everybody you know it is the most important um season of the year for selling books you will sell most of your books in the next two months so you know to gear up for that we have some um with black friday approaching with some fantastic sale offers coming up so keep an eye on the blog for that and services and products and things that that you will be delighted to use from our partner members and so yeah keep an eye on self-publishing advice.org for

for those because um that's always a very popular feature at this time of the year fantastic all right so next month the beginning of december we are going to talk about planning for 2022 we're going to be looking ahead and talking a bit about what we're planning to do and then in january we're going to look at ai narration for audio books which we were going to cover today but we decided there was way too much to talk about so we're going to do that later we are both going into ai narration as well so we'll talk about that then but yes planning for 2022 will be uh next month's advanced salon right anything else or honor no looking forward to that until then everybody happy writing and happy [Laughter]

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