MSc Big Data Technologies webinar 2Nov23
Hello and thank you for joining us today on our webinar for Big Data Technologies at Glasgow Caledonian University. We're joined today by Charlie Russell who is our associate Dean International who'll give us an overview of GCU. Pete Barry is the program leader for MSC Big Data Technologies he'll go into more detail about the program and learning experience and last but not least Hagar Ahmed one of our current students on MSc Big Data Technologies who can share first hand experience of studying the program and how it's helped Advance careers feel free to ask any questions in the chat box on screen and without any further Ado I'll hand you straight over to Charlie Thanks very much Jenny and everybody welcome to this short webinar for the next hour about big our big data Technologies MSc here at Glasgow Caledonian University. My name is Dr Charlie Russell I'm the associate Dean for international in our school of computing engineering and built environment so it really is my absolute pleasure to welcome you and I hope to maybe meet you in person in due course. So I'm going to give you an overview about Glasgow and also a bit about a bit about our school as well and then Pete Barrie will go in much more detail about the program and then you'll get a student experience so Glasgow we call it our dear green Place why because we've got lots and lots and lots of Parkland Glasgow is a very heavily industrialised City it was at one point the Second City of the British Empire back in the day very industrialized it was famous for heavy industry ship building and other things like that so really lots of industry and trade so we've got a lot of grand buildings a very attractive City in the city centre but it's gone through tremendous regeneration over the last few years as those Industries have disappeared and it's now really an entertainment Capital so there's lots and lots of entertainment the Clyde has been transformed in a sort of media City area there's lots of great events and things to do city is brilliant for retail and other cultural events it's a very Dynamic and thriving City Glasgow the picture at the top left is our city Chambers which is a very Grand building and there's a lot of really interesting architecture it's a nice place to visit so and let me talk a little bit about our campus which is right in the city centre of Glasgow we're very close to all the transport links Railway stations bus stations and the motorway so we're very connected to the city but also easy to get to other parts of Scotland and the rest of the UK from our campus it's a modern campus we're one of the modern universities in fact we're the top modern University in Scotland right now and you can see it's a modern campus that was built in the 70s we've been updating it and it's a fresh easy place to be there's lots of kind of shared facilities a lot of the sort of ground floor area all open space and a lot all available for students so it's a friendly place and we've got green spaces around the campus so as I said before with the top ranking top performing University in Scotland modern University and in in the last year and we're the second top in the UK so we really are doing well we ranked 40th out of 122 universities in the UK by the guardian University guide and that was in September this year we also are the top modern University in Scotland by research power so we hold our own in research as well which feeds our research our teaching part of it part of what we're up to is our really at the heart of our re Arch and I'm teaching now is the United Nations sustainable development goals or the SGS and they're heart of what we're doing in our research and delivering more broadly so we have a broad commitment as a Civic university around that we have a strong one strong graduate employment rate over 90% 91% of our graduates are employment very soon after finishing with Which is higher than the normal and Scotland's got good rates for that we also are international we have a number of International Partnerships across the world and we are particularly committed to gender equality so we have achieved the Athena swan institutional silver award in recognition of our commitment towards that endeavour and I think it's an important thing that's really at the heart of who we are we have a number of different academic schools we including we have a a London campus where a number of our programs are delivered but big data is delivered in this school obviously in the School of Computing and Engineering so more on that to come if I just move on we do have a lot of facilities on the campus for our students to support them obviously labs for some of the more engineering based and biosciences studies but also in our so we're just going a little bit too fast there also the sort of sense of our Computing Labs so as we as we go forward you'll see that this is the you know we have a nice set of facilities there so just to give you a link of all our programs obviously we're looking at Big Data here so we we'll you know you you're You' be a member of a quite a large postgraduate Community it's very diverse Community but our Pro our programs are accredited by professional bodies and I think this is an important part of what we do so underpinning our quality aspect is our strong accreditation to these nationally recognized bodies which we and our students under our alumni hold very important so just to know that you'll get that as part of the degree we do have a number of research centres smart technology one is probably the one that's most useful but just shows the range we we're strong in research and in our school that's very important and what we do for student support and you know recognizing that maybe you might be coming in from another country that are student support is very strong at GCU we've got very good academic support in the first place so our staff are very available and supportive and we you know we know that from the feedback the students really do appreciate that it's one of the things we're known for we've got a very good Library and we have it and what's called a Learning and Development Centre so that that will support you anything from academic writing to anything that you need around mathematics all of all of those different areas that are there to support you in whatever you need to perform at the highest level in your degree we have also personal support we have a strong pastoral care approach within the staff a sort of open door policy for our students we have a strong careers Department which I'll talk about next and we also have a very a very Progressive Health and well-being team that really do a lot to support our students so just on our Career Services because it's something we're Keen that you know about that we really do provide a lot of S Services to support students with their employability and including personal skills and career development so we have an on campus work experience Hub that's that supports a One-Stop shop for finding jobs and also we have a series of interactive tools which will support you from developing a cover letter to CV to psychometric tests to interview simulator so it's a great set of additionals that we have often people ask about student accommodation we do have a an excellent provision of student accommodation right next to our campus so-called Caledonian court it's modern it's fresh and it's easy to very close by the university so that's something that you know I would recommend you look at as well as there are other obviously private providers locally too Scotland finally just before you know handing over to Pete but Scotland's got a lot to see it's a beautiful place but it's a thriving vibrant country and you know we're you know on the doorstep of Europe so you but there's a lot to see and get involved in here when you're not doing your studies so we're only about just less than an hour away from Edinburgh the country's capital and there's a lot of beautiful places to visit and see okay well I'm around but I'll pass over to Pete so he'll take over this next bit thank you Pete great Charlie thanks very much for that overview of the university and also of Glasgow so I'm Pete Barry and I'm the program leader for MSC Big Data Technologies in Glasgow we actually run the program in Glasgow and London so on both campuses and some of the staff are in Glasgow majority of the staff are in Glasgow and then we've got staff in London as well and we all run the modules and present the modules so I'm just going to give you a quick overview of what I'm going to talk about today so I'll talk about the program a little bit I'll talk about teaching methods I'll talk about assessment as well for our top modules we'll look at what support is available academically there some information on accreditation with the British computer Society so that's a really good thing for students and then some employability and career related stuff as well and earnings potential which is always very important in students Minds so first of all now this is the slides are quite small I think here so I don't want to go through this in in great detail it's just an overview of what you'll be learning within the program so we have a mixture of modules which are related to data science and also data engineering and those two themes really match where the majority of jobs are that are emerging at the moment within industry so we have put together the program very specifically to be aligned to industry so we've got Cloud related stuff so cloud computing being a fairly major thing we have database related stuff so big data platforms Big Data landscape we've got data visualization since when we Source data and manipulate data we really want ways of interacting with that data and visualizing it so we data visualization we have programming for data science so software development for data science and of course Ai and machine learning which are pretty big themes so those are the top modules together with research methods so every master's program has to have a module which relates to research methods and in our case also data ethics since when we're using data we have to do that H in an ethically sound manner so we've got that as well and that prepares you for also for dissertation so we've got a lot of technical content but also we've got research methods and then dissertation so the top modules have got a significant practical content and that obviously helps students build a set of skills which they can then take into industry within the their first job so we considered it very important when we were developing the program that there was a lot of practical content so we developed it in partnership with industry so we work a lot with industry in research projects and some cons consultancy projects we've got a lot of ties to Industry so they help helped us put together the program and also they help us when we're refreshing the program so that we're keeping everything up to date and aligned with best industry practices so that's the top modules and obviously every master's program has a dissertation and that allows students to apply their new found skills in some sort of challenging problem that can be industry relevant or it can be research-based type project and that's chosen by students themselves so you get to practice in an area that you are interested in and comfortable with so that's the content of the program in terms of teaching since we're teaching to Glasgow and London we want to provide students with an identical presentation experience in both locations so we don't teach separately in terms of lectures we teach to both locations at the same time so lectures are live and online and they give the same presentation experience and within that staff and students can interact so we've got voice or live chat H and also breakout sessions as well so we can form groups for tutorial type activities in the online mode so that's what we do for lectures the lectures are recorded as well so therefore students can review those as many times as the require and from our interactions and surveys we find that the students really appreciate the flexibility that the online delivery mode for the lectures gives them so they can access those if they're if they're on campus they can access those there or if they're at home they can access those so we find that the lectures work well online but we need to be interacting with students we need H students to be interacting with each other so all the laboratory sessions are in a physical laboratory space in Glasgow or London and typically so we've got four modules per trimester so I just look back at these slides so starting in January that's the next intake we have two intakes of students one in September and one in January so starting in January end of January you've got four modules as you can see there cloud computing Internet of Things Big Data platforms and data visualization so we've got those and each of those will have a a two-hour lab session each week so there'll be eight hours that you'll be in lab and T we've got very good lab facilities that we're using for the program we've just refreshed the PCS that we use there so we've got very high spec PCs with dual screens so you've got a lot of real estate to work with in terms of how you lay out all your development tools on screen within the Practical session and the these are led by the usually the module leader or a lab tutor and you work through lab exercises and you've got support from the lab tutor during that time but we don't just want students to work during that time on their lab work we want to provide flexibility so all the facilities that we use in lab are also available to students at no cost to install on their own machines or they're available on cloud because a lot of our stuff is cloud oriented as well so all the Practical work can easily be continued from the lab into your own time so that's the mode of teaching in terms of assessment we assess our modules by coursework only so we don't have any formal exams we find that coursework is really much more representative of what's happening in the real world so real world challenges so you're undertaking practical exercises or research oriented exercises depending which module it is and then you're delivering coursework exercises so each module will have two coursework exercises one that you'll get towards the middle of the module so each of our modules are 12 weeks plus we've got up to three weeks for delivering the second coursework exercise the first one is about Midway and then the second coursework is towards the end but we've got a few weeks after the teaching period of 12 weeks we got a few weeks when you you'll still be working on coursework exercises we aim to try to space out the coursework delivery for each module because you'll be doing four modules at the same time so we aim to space out by a few days in terms of the delivery for each coursework so you're not delivering them all at the same time so that's the assessment mode in terms of what support is available so all the teaching and lab materials all the recordings of the lectures are available on our online teaching system which is called GCU learn which is based on the widely used Blackboard tool so it's widely used within Academia so that's our online Learning System and you will access the lecture sessions through Blackboard as well on GCU learn through some something called collaborate Ultra in terms of the our staff our staff tend to be very supportive and very approachable and staff support is available in various ways so you you'll see the staff at the lab sessions so you get to interact and ask questions and get support if you've got issues or problems when you're undertaking the work we also provide an online chat for our program so we use a messaging workspace called slack which is quite heavily used in industry so you're getting a practice that's used in industry and we're using it as well so we've got online chat there with various channels for different for different modules might have their own channel for discussions and problem solving so we've got online chat we've got email obviously so stud students will email staff as well if they've got something that they want to discuss individually and also we provide personal meetings as well on demand outside of these activities so staff are very happy to be to be approached and to help you and as well as that as well as our direct academic support from our program team We've also got additional learning support through what What's called the learning Development Centre so each of the academic schools within GCU has its own LDC as it's called learning Development Centre and I've just tried to give you a flavour of what's available here so we've got induction materials so before you even start we've got lots of induction materials and videos available for you we've got international student support so specific activities workshops for international students and lots of other materials available so LDC is both virtual and physical so we actually have physical tutors that you can talk to as well with an LDC this slide just as a flavour of some of the materials that are currently available so we've got writing so for international students coming to the UK you might not have had the same experience as maybe some of the UK students have had in terms of how you deliver e exercises and what the standards are and what the writing standards are so we've got writing workshops we've got a support for English language we've got communication skills we've got workshops to help you avoid plagiarism Etc so we've got and English for academic purposes so we've got a lot of help available to you and it's very important that you access that and this is just an overview of English for academic purposes so it explains the individual activity so this is actually available to you just now if you go to our LDC for our school so the school of computing and built environment Computing engineering and built environment it's called SCEBE if you look it up in a Google search Google search tends to be quite good at accessing our website you just look up GCU SCEBE LDC you'll get the full range of activities there to help support you accreditation this is a very important thing our program is accredited by the British computer Society so we go through a process where we deliver to the BCS a very detailed set of materials relating to how the content of our program and how we run our program as well how we interact with students what facilities we have so we are accredited by the by the BCS and the idea is that you know we have better graduate outcomes from that in that graduates who come from an accredited program will stand out in terms of their CVS in terms of in terms of applying for jobs Etc so very much valued by employers the fact that there's BCS accreditation and the degree that we deliver having been accredited by BCS they know that we're providing you with up-to-date Knowledge and Skills that employers are requiring within the jobs that they're providing and it gives you professional recognition it opens up a route to being a chartered IT professional so you get some letters after your name as well so if you go to the BCS website you you'll get some information on that and one of the most important things is when you apply for the chartered IT professional status you have to provide probably a portfolio of work that you're undertaking within your employment but the bottom part of that slide say it comes directly from the BCS site and it says can your qualifications Advance your application well yes they can and if you click on the link it allows you to see that we are accredited you can search for GCU see our accreditation but it gives you a fast track to the chartered IT professional status the fact that we are accredited by BCS so that's very important within your working life the last set of things that I want to mention today is employment a couple of years ago we had a labour market report generated and that covered big data and the sort of related skills within the within B big data and at that point there were more than 44,000 on any given day 44,000 UK job postings requesting Big Data skills and over lots of different industry and business areas as well but most common the most common phrases were software developer engineer data Engineers data mining analyst and data scientist and that's what our program brings together it brings together a really good mixture of data science and data engineering so it covers the skills that are in demand and just out of interest because students will have the opportunity when they finish their MSC and have an MFC qualification to actually stay on in the UK and apply for a Visa for a couple of years Edinburgh and Glasgow were in the top 10 cities in demand for Big Data skills so Edinburgh third and Glasgow 9th so Edinburgh and Glasgow are building significant capacity for industry for businesses that are working with Computing and data skills data engineering data science and During the period that we did this survey the job postings that with big data skills and demand increased by 27% so and that that's increasing year on year so lots of demand and AI skills machine learning data visualization data science these are some of the themes that we explored in more depth and we're seeing basically huge increases in the jobs becoming available up to 50 percent increase over the last couple of years so we we're hitting the right Targets in terms of what we're teaching which aligns perfectly with moving into industry business and also research some students will choose to maybe go on to do a PhD study and again our subjects align with lots of interesting work that's being done at PhD level especially in data science and AI machine learning in terms of salaries at the point that we surveyed we can see that jobs that were being advertised with big data skills and without Big Data skills we can see that the salaries are significantly higher for data Engineers data scientists and Architects significantly higher if you've got the skills in in Big Data so that's extremely important as well because you want to be able to find a job that gives you a good salary good standard of life and this was just some other themes and you know an overview of the types of salaries that are available so all in all we think we're delivering a good program that's relevant to the real world it's certainly a very popular program at the moment we've got about 150 students over our Glasgow and London campuses so the numbers have been increasing year on year and students are then going on to find very interesting jobs so that's me for my overview and I think questions are being put to the chat so if you got any questions put that on the chat session so thanks very much thanks for that Pete there's a couple of questions in the chat about assessment bases whether it's exam base or assessments so would you would you like to give a wee bit of information on how assessments are made how assessments Okay so let's go back here assessments so just to recap on that there's no formal exams all our all our assessments are coursework only so there'll be a coursework exercise which will be sometimes problem-based so it's a very technical module it'll be problem based and you'll be asked about some of the fundamental aspects of the subject area and also you'll be undertaking a practical exercise and then reporting on that exercise so that will involve building some sort of Technology with underpinned by programming skills and underpinned by understanding the Technologies that you'll be using such as if you're doing AI then you'll be using a programming language like Python and you'll be using AI libraries and you'll be sourcing some data and then manipulating that and getting some insights or building a model which will help to understand the data and maybe predict something about the data for the future so we've got technical exercises and we've got exercises related to the fundamental Concepts that you'd be learning so there's two of those per module you they'll be given out maybe the first one towards the middle of the module delivery and you'll get about three to four weeks to work on that and then deliver that electronically all our stuff is delivered electronically into our Learning System so there's no printing of things or handing in paper so I say all coursework no formal exams so hopefully that answers that question thank you there's one other question about the duration of the course whether it's 16 months or 12 months so just to clear that up if we start the program in September that's a 12month duration for full-time starting in January the duration is six month 16 months and that's just because of the summer break in between trimester B and then going on to trimester a teaching that's correct so if you start at the end of January you work from January through to the beginning of May or midway with the assessment period and then the we have Trimester C which is the summer period but for students that have started in January we don't have any teaching in Trimester C our T our teaching returns in trimester a which is in September at the end of September so you'll be doing January trimester a teaching sorry January trimester B teaching then September trimester a and then the next trimester B so the following January you should be doing a dissertation and dissertation also lasts about 12 weeks and then you'll be delivering a report and you'll also be doing an oral presentation for that so that brings it up to the 16 months okay That's great thank you very much Pete there's no more questions at the moment so without further delay I'd like to pass over to Hager to give an her own experience of studying the program if anyone has any other questions and while Hager's speaking just pop them in the chat and we'll pick those up too thank you thank you so thank you I'm so happy so make again I haven't seen you so my name is Hager and I just gained my master degree in Big Data technology last September so I start from September 2022 and I finished September 2023 and my dissertation was related to AI something like large language model and this stuff so I decided to go to do my master degree for many reason I study computer science in my bachelor and I have couple of Pro experience working technology but I need more updated knowledge in this topic you know and especially I was interested in data science and if you go for online resources like s or whatever you will find a good material but the point is sometime you don't know how the material can be connected together and that is what the master would provide you with because you will study it you will study clouding you will study computer science and you study big data and data analysis data engineering and in this Master you will see that everything is connected somehow and that's different from you study yourself without a structure or hierarchy of the program so the program is a really heavy program I have to be honest and it require a lot of study a lot of time to do your coursework a lot of time to watch or re-watch the lecture what is good about the program it's hybrid program so all lecture is online but there is a lot of also a lapse which she should be on campus I was in Glasgow campus which I was very lucky for that so it's very important to watch to be part of the lecture even if recorded it's very important to re-watch The G to gain knowledge especially if topic that is new for you and the is also very important not just because of the attendance and all Stu which is also important but because that the experience that you're gaining with in the lab will help you with the work and I have to be honest the coursework is a heavy coursework because it's not like it's not exam it's a how's what the word it's like a report that you have to submit and the reward could be stuff that you have never seen it before so you have to do some research you have to do a lot of research honestly you have to looking for some material how you can do this stuff and this is very important that you will do a lot of research so you will learn how you gain hands-on skills and research and such stuff so that is that is about the program itself as Peter mentioned we have four module every semester and I think all the topic have been updated something more related to the business and now after my graduation whenever I apply for any job the requirement I feeling a little bit confident about okay I studied that before I have this knowledge I know what they are looking for and that's why the program is very related to the business and it's really recommended if you want to go that you will gain a really experience that will help you to gain the jobs that you're looking for what another stuff that you will gain from the program is access to a very high level books and journals and papers that related to the topic or related to the field which is very important especially if you want to learn something new it's very important to not just gain the technical skills but also the basic skills or the let's say the theory behind the practical skills and because you are part of the program you will have the privilege to access all this material for free which is very great you would work with a lot of open-source also software so you don't need to pay for any software even the cloud system that we are using we have license so the professor give you a credit that you can use it to build your model on the cloud which absolutely something very amazing my advice as a stent you have to start study from the first day don't keep it for next week don't keep it to maybe next month or whatever because the time is flying like that with this master and after a couple of weeks you will find oh you have to deliver your first coursework and it's good to start as early as possible to keep yourself updated and my experience is something very hard that I don't really understand it's okay to approach the professor I came from a country when we don't have this approach that much and it's not easy to approach to any Professor but GCU is not like that at all it's a safe area when you can be yourself it's okay to approach to any Professor I remember I approached to Peter before telling him how I have some issue with a specific point I didn't really got it and he was very patient to explain the stuff for me and it really helped me to overcome the challenge I face and I would recommend don't wait until the last moment if you feel yourself you don't really into the stuff just go and ask for help and as I said maybe because we are international we are not using to that but it's really important to ask for help when you need it another thing is the library is open you can find whatever you want there during the exam period I think it's open 24 hours so you can even stay as much as you want for any material you are looking for my advice as international student when you apply for the master apply to the court Caledonian court and as your place to stay I don't know if this still there or not but when I came last year to Glasgow there was a very heavy accommodation problem in Scotland especially in Glasgow and a lot of people really suffering to find the place so my advice is when you go just apply to the court don't read any Google review because Google review is not good but the place absolutely amazing and it's very close from the school you're just crossing the street and it's in the city centre so you will be in a very living area and by saying that it's very important also to maintain a level of Integrity during your course work you cannot just copy other people work you cannot allow other or hire someone to do your work because you will be discovered and the consequences of that is not always good so it's good to say it's fine to take or to you know to inspire from other material but you have always to mention that you use this material you use this help and even if you face any challenge it's okay to mention during your coursework like this is challenge I face that's how I solve it I speak with my professor I maybe ask for some experience some expertise or whatever so just maintain a good level of Integrity is very important and the last thing in the study is dissertation because the dissertation is the last thing and we have I think four topic that we can build our dissertation on machine learning and AI IOT or cloud in computer or data engineering so you can pick whatever topic you want and you can have your own idea and approach your professor that you target or you can just way the professors says what topics they are interested in and then you can pick one in my case I speak with some people and they recommend a very specific professors to approach to him for a topic I want to work on and the this professor doesn't know me before and he was very welcome and very happy to accept me as his student so don't afraid if you have an idea even a crazy one go for it speak with a professor speak with anyone you feeling it will help you and it's okay if you feeling some topic is complicated they will start from scratch with you so maybe you need some level of experience but it's okay you will learn like some stuff I never hear about it before and as I said with hard work you will gain it but the life being student in GCU is not about the study it's also about building a community really it's very important to know your colleague to know who are with you meet people speak with them try to introduce yourself try to attend some event not just work event or Fair event but some places because you are in in in a city centre there are some companies they have some event Network you can attend some their job at what's the name meeting or event and above all you can enjoy yourself in Scotland the local are very kind they are very friendly you will not feel any kind of violence or people treats be treat you in a bad way like any other country actually you will be feeling very welcome they will speak with you even if they don't know you they will open to start any kind of conversation with you about any topic and they will help you they're willing to help or listening to what you're are saying so enjoy it enjoy the city the city I think the university itself is offering some affordable uh trips that you can join and it's very cheap not very expensive and you will enjoy the country as I said you can go to Edinburgh you can go to some new cities and near from Glasgow even Glasgow itself is amazing all the museum are for free most of them so you can go and visit it a lot of green area like I came from place with not a lot of green area very enjoyable to have this to see all this green area and all these parks and all of that it was amazing and as I said build a community you don't need to just be with people from your country or from your origin just expand your network make people from everywhere make people from another country because there are lot of international student to be honest a lot of international student in the program like in my program most of I think most of most of us are international so M them just don't keep yourself with people you know or people from background open your mind and be acceptable for other so yeah that's all I have so it's absolutely a very amazing experience and if time back I will do the same because for me I left my job and I have to start my master and I never regret that so it's a very positive I support anyone to go that to really take this step Thank you very much Hager that's great we've got a couple of questions in perhaps Pete might want to address some of this one of the questions there's a couple of people have asked this in slightly different ways looking at how many classes the course has in a week how much time there is for breaks in between teaching Okay so we have four modules running in each trimester and for each module there will be a two-hour lecture tutorial session and there will be a two-hour lab so that's four hours per module and then we've got four modules so that's 16 hours and obviously you have to come to campus for the lab sessions but the lecture sessions are flexible so on the timetable for this trimester we have one day where we're lecturing in two subjects I think two or three subjects so you don't need to come to campus on that day and then other days where we might have a mixture of lecture and lab sessions so yeah four hours contact per module either in lab or online in a lecture session but you also have to spend time studying as well as Hager said in her very useful and eloquent overview there's a lot of work to do it's a it's a master's degree so you would expect there to be a lot of work but so you have to study in your own time you maybe have to finish the lab materials in your own time as well but in terms of the module four hours per module per week Perfect thanks for that date one other question was about internships placements: do we provide internships in Industry No we don't that's not part of the program I mean students can look for such opportunities themselves for if they want but we don't tend to have many students doing that if you start in January then trimester which is trimester B then trimester C in the summer is free and you could look for something yourself our career service might help you but we don't tend to have many students doing that so we don't have placements Okay thank you very much for that Pete I think that's all the questions we have that have come in through the chat boxes I'd just like to thank everybody for attending all our potential new students who have come to join the session I hope you found it valuable thank you very much to all our presenters for giving up their time today I found it really interesting as well so if anyone has any further questions there you can get in contact with us by email and we'll be able to look after any follow-up requests if nobody has any other questions I think we can we can close the webinar just now thanks everybody great than thanks very much for attending and thanks to Hager Charlie Jenny Etc okay bye for now
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