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Rather. Than making is just a nobility a question, of a of a, moral. Commitment. Or a feeling of guilt or a political. Priority if it's, simply, a better design, it's. Gonna win. All. Over the world coal, plants, are being replaced, by wind turbines, and solar panels, with. Prices, dropping the, proportion, of our energy, generated, by Sun and wind is expected to grow quickly in the coming decades. There. Are growing ambitions, of bidding fossil fuels farewell, and not, just in the Netherlands, by. About thirty years from now it is predicted, that two-thirds, of our global electricity. Will come from sustainable sources. What. Will this world running, largely, on renewable, energy look. Like yeah, it's good it's. Good question explained I you're. Testing my imagination, Martine. Exactly. There's. So much more that we have to think about what. Effects, will the energy transition, have on the economy, politics. On how we live and move around. Surprisingly. Little thought has been given to this but, luckily there are people who have an idea of what might be to come you, can't see that much, they. Can to some extent envisage. What will change when we start using a lot less coal, oil and, gas. The. No toxins, coming out of the chimney we. Could actually turn the roof of this power plant into the, first alpine, ski slope of Denmark other, opportunities. Will present themselves, but. Who will be prepared, for them Chinese, people really think about things in much much longer terms, we think about things in like 50 60 a hundred years 10, 20 years I worry the United States could lose its pole position, and that's. Our last advantage we. Lose that advantage we. Will be in structural, and irreversible, decline. China. Is. Just like this. Works we're. Going for it right the. Entire country, boom, this. Is backlight, welcome. To a sustainable, future. In, recent years we. Have become used to houses, with solar panels on the roof and electric. Cars are no exception, anymore people. Everywhere, are realizing. That we are moving towards a radically, different looking. World. The. Business stops from, labor. Believe. An offset, the. Name offsets from Allah or perhaps a needle in me impossible. Blood. Blazer open. Buzina multitude, yeah the, Bosnian. He too comes and hospitals, all. The things that after they make undershirt lasts. The book on the upper half of a dunker for reveille CDs. In. The, coming decades, the proportion. Of our energy, generated. Renewably, will continue, to grow. We. Will move closer to the end of coal oil and gas. But. This shift from fossil fuels, to renewable energy. Sources will, lead to radical, changes, outside of, the energy sector as well. I. Think. By mid-century 2050. We'll see two-thirds. Of the world's electricity, generated. By renewable sources my. Hope is that we will accomplish, a majority, of the world's electricity from just two renewable sources wind. And solar electricity. Varun. Sivaram. Is a researcher. At the US Council, on Foreign Relations. He's. Seen huge, developments. In renewable, energy from up close. I've. Been in the solar industry for over a decade now if you told me a decade ago in 2008, that solar, electricity, would. Have fallen in price by over a factor of 10 over. 90% I would have told you you're crazy, there's no way that it's gonna happen right and here we are solar, electricity has in fact gotten so cheap you know around the world you're seeing bids, for solar electricity that are less than three cents or two cents, per, kilowatt hour it's the basic unit of electricity generation. That. Was unheard of just five years ago ten years ago but. Here we are right I. Think. A lot of us focus, primarily, on, the coming changes to the energy sector we stopped our analysis, there but. There are so many other knock-on, effects to the rest of the economy because, the, energy is the foundation, of how the global economy runs, so. In addition to, you. Know the the energy sector becoming less carbon intensive more. Digital, possibly. More decentralized. The. Rest of the global economy could. Change the way it functions as well. If energy. Is the cornerstone, of global, society and if, its sources, change, what. Else will change. Danish. Architect beocca, Engels, has spent a lot of time thinking about this. He. Sees the outward appearances, of cities, and buildings changing. Vastly, in a world powered mainly, by renewable, energy. Maybe. We are somewhat, living in a constructively. Optimistic, time lately. This, kind of 60s belief in the, future has, maybe come back and. I. Think the. Next the next many decades will see an explosive, development.
In. The physical and the built environment, I. Think maybe people have started, daring. Imagining. That we can actually make meaningful change, again. Technological. Change climate change no. Matter where the change is coming from that change. Means, that the, framework we created, for our lives, and our society, suddenly. Doesn't fit anymore because people doing things differently now and if, we as architects, can look and listen. And learn from this change we. Have an amazing, opportunity, to. Accommodate. What. Is changing. To. Solve these new problems explore, these new possibilities and actually give form, to, the future, to. Give form to the future that we would like to live in. The. Swedish city of Malmo is a testing. Ground for sustainable. Living, the. City boasts many projects. And districts, that prioritize. Sustainability. Like. The greenhouse flats where, sustainable, living is encouraged. That's. A really cool Chili's here before so, had a big really really. Hot chilli plant with, just call the Jolokia chocolate and we, thought it was, one. Of the hundreds but we didn't know that so we. Thought it's chocolates you know the name didn't, sound actually look at the the, scale. Luckily. When we pick the first one they decide it's just taking a little bit and, then we realized, Akshat - when, I tasted it to the so hot I said, I have to go online and see what this is all about. Then. We realized is one of the hottest where to give give, away because it was too much it was really big. Plant. What's. The difference between living in a problem. Building like this and a regular, apartment, building, difference. Well. You have to sign that green contract, that's. One difference. What's. A green contract. It. Stipulates, that you're going to try. To have as much green, or. Plants, growing for, as the, majority of the year as possible. And. You. Have to recycle, I. Don't. Know what happens if you break the green contract, actually, but. Yes. You need to take part in the communal, growing. Areas as well and did you both have stuff, like an interest for gardening. Also before you came here. Well. In. Theory yes. The. Idea of it and the, actual work involved is also that's. That's. The other science that we. Have quite a lot of food, growing like tomatoes, and sugar. Snacks and, squashes, question. A lot, of things so. That we sometimes, can take I mean here tomatoes. Grow till, November, here in this in, this area llosir. It did, we. Had a lot of tomatoes, we, have a few, tomato plants, last, years every year we're learning and learning, and we've changed what, we're doing, kale. We had a lot of kale. So. We're being a little bit more diverse this, year trying trying a different approach. The. Things that are in the building make you think about your. Behavior as an individual, and then make you reassess. What you're doing for, example the taps when you push on the taps, the. Hot water if you want to get really hot water you have to press a button to actually a dagger to the heart or, to get the high pressure so, you're consciously, making that decision otherwise, you have to question what do I really really need hot water for this washing. Or whatever it is I'm doing and, then.
The The plugs. Away. And home button, that you press when, you're leaving that switches off everything. So. You're conserving, electricity and, that's in that way but, you it, makes it easy for you to, in, this way you, become more conscious and aware definitely. With, time it becomes, a bit more automatically. In, the beginning. Raven not it's. Not just individual. Buildings, like this that are sustainable in, malmo, entire. Districts. Are being designed to run on renewable. Energy, like. The Western, Harbor sustainable, district, designed. Ten years ago. 20. Years ago there. Was nothing, here more than shipyard, industry, that has gone. Broke, then the city of malmö, fighting. For survival more, or less and has gone from once. Being, this huge, shipyard. In industry, with 10,000. Employees here. To rather. Living. City with, more, than 250. Different companies, and plus. 12,000. Workplaces. So. What kind of place is this where did you take us here you can't see that much but this. Is like the. One. Of the two hearts, of the energy, solution, here in the Western harbour beneath. Us 100. Meters we. Have a limestone, aquifer. So storage, of water we. Used that for the, purposes, of heating, and cooling just. Like a thermos, we, cool down the. Aquifer, wintertime. To be used summertime. And we. Use. Heating. From summertime, to, be brought up wintertime. It. Works, quite. Well. The. Discussion, about sustainability, was dominated. By a kind of gloomy worldview. Like Al, Gore's, Inconvenient, Truth and, the whole story was about how much of our existing, quality of life are we willing to sacrifice in. Order, to afford being, sustainable, and, we thought that's not a very attractive. Standpoint. Or viewpoint. So. Rather than making sustainability. A question, of a moral commitment, or a feeling of guilt or a political. Priority if it's, simply, a better design, it's, gonna win, do. You think that the inhabitants are they aware that this is climate, neutral, area on, a daily, basis no I think one key component. Of really. Being. Successful. With that is that it should be easy, it. Should be automated. It should be seamless. Be. Erica Ingels would like to take things one step further, he. Shows how energy, efficient, designs can make buildings, more varied, and attractive, than they are now I think, when you look at the. Developments, in architecture, that brought us here, or that contributed, to bringing. Us to the situation is that, when. Modernism. Arrived. And the international, style of modernism, it. Was called the International style, because buildings started, looking the same everywhere. And of course the climate, is very different in the north of Finland than it is from the north of Africa so. At. The same time as the, advent of modern architecture was. The advent of modern building, services, and building. Services were new technologies, that, came with new freedoms, we. Had suddenly electric, lights so. We could make really deep flow plates with abundance of light we weren't dependent on daylight for for, being able to see so buildings, got deeper and deeper, we, had mechanical ventilation, so. We didn't have to be able to open. The window so so. We could like just pump. Fresh. Air through, the building and. We had suddenly air-conditioning, and central heating so. We weren't dependent on the thickness of the walls or the orientation of the windows so. All of these free, meant, that the architecture. Of the building did. Less and less it. Became just a container of space, and. Then what, made the building inhabitable, was. This, gas guzzling machinery, that. Was pumping, electricity. And air and temperature, through, the building so, we had big boring boxes, the architecture, didn't do anything it became more and more generic, and we, had a basement, full of gas casting machinery that, that sort of kept the. Patient alive. And, you, can say building. Services, is a, mechanical. Compensation. For the fact that the building is bad at what, it's designed for namely. Human. Occupants. So. I think part of part of what we are thinking, about now because we work in a lot of different countries and. A lot of different climates is to. Return. To this idea where the building, responds. To, its environment. A. Building. We're just finishing now in China in, Shenzhen. Is. For, the main energy. Company of Chan Chan it's, in a humid, subtropical climate. So. If, you're making a big office building, in the tropical climate. You. Want to of course maximise, views and daylight, but, you also want to minimize glare. And, thermal. Exposure. You. Know using air conditioning so. We, designed the facade. If, you imagine like a son of a zigzaggy. Facade. So the. Sides that are facing against, the prevailing Sun direction to, the south for instance are, always closed and the other side is always entirely, open so, that means that when you're standing inside, and.
You Look away, from the Sun it's all glass but when you turn around and, look in the direction of the Sun its bamboo, walls, washed, in daylight it. Has like a very feminine, elegant, appearance but. It also reduces, energy consumption, with 30% a, greater. Proportion, of sustainable, energy being, used will, also not just the appearance of buildings, but of entire cities, power. Plants, will no longer need to be hidden away in the outskirts of the city when. We look over there, this. Is our the. Brick building over there is, our energy. Central, so is this like a power, plant yeah, it's like a power plant with. The two rather big heat pumps, but, normally, you wouldn't place a power plant in the middle of a neighborhood I suppose no, but when, it's chimney. Free and, completely. Silent, it's. Not a problem, it's. Kind of interesting it the fact that you can introduce. Energy. Infrastructure, in, the middle of a city rather than you, know somewhere, where the. Smokestacks don't cause. Too much trouble no exactly like you can say the traditional zoning. Of the, city has to do with certain, certain, things are simply so noisy or so, nasty, that we have to put them very far away and. In, that sense but, then we can also see that you know once the power plant shuts down it's, an amazing building so, with, clean, technology. You, don't have to wait until the power plant shuts down we. Can reinvent it. We're. Just finishing this power. Plant here in Copenhagen that, turns waste into energy. So. A bag. Of like three kilos of household, waste turns into four hours of electricity. And five hours of district heating. But, it's also the cleanest, waste-to-energy, power plant in the world so that no toxins, coming out of the chimney so. Not only is it a better technology it's, completely, different you don't have to be far away from a sort, of a polluting power plant we, could actually turn the roof of this power plant into the first alpine, ski slope of Denmark. It's, gonna open in October. Children. That are born in. Copenhagen. This year they, will not know of a world where. You can't ski on the, roof of the power plant so. Imagine, if that's your baseline, how. Much higher, these. These children can imagine like how much further they're, gonna be able to imagine. Things because they, just start on a completely different level than what we did. It's. Not only our direct, environment. That will change in a future sustainable. World. The. Increase, in the use of solar and wind energy, will. Really shake up international, relations. Energy. Is one of the top if not the top issues. In geopolitics you can explain a whole lot of international, relations, by, looking at global. Flows of energy and the, distribution, of energy, resources and to, date energy. Geopolitics, has been dominated, by the geopolitics of fossil, fuels going. Forward though we may enter a world where. Clean energy becomes. A, dominant. Or at, least larger. Share. Of the. World's energy system, and so, we ought to stop looking just at the geopolitics of fossil fuels and more at the geopolitics of clean energy. The, White House has a long history with solar panels on the roof in 1979. They, first went on the roof Jimmy Carter put him on and. In the 80s Republican. President Ronald Reagan, took the solar panels off the roof of the White House Barack. Obama in 2010, put panels back on now. We have President Trump now, who knows President, Trump you. Know may very well keep him on but. He hasn't been great to solar recently, there's a whole range of things that President Trump is doing to rollback President, Obama's environmental, policies, I bet. You solar. Panels, may. Very well not stay on that roof I. Don't. Think you could see him the only thing you can see from here the snipers. You. May have been blessed as a country to have had fossil fuel deposits in the past and that, largely determined, whether you were going to be an energy exporter or an energy importer, no, longer most, countries, have some endowment, of Sun, and wind. Or, hydroelectric. Resources, or geothermal resources, and so, suddenly many. Countries can. Become energy. Producers, maybe even energy exporters. It. All depends, on how. Enthusiastic, a country is going to be to exploit its clean. Energy endowment. Be, surprised, you. Wouldn't believe how, fast China is going, green. Is. Going. Green and Giga scale and Giga picks. One. Country, is particularly, enthusiastic. About, a future greener, world, China. It's. The world's biggest investor. In wind turbines, and solar panels and.
There's, A clear plan behind it, you. Have to realize that China doesn't, really want to be dependent on other countries, it, knows that if, its factories, go down right, then it won't produce products, and then GDP, won't go up and so, to produce products, guess what you need you need energy right. So if you if you, can have renewable energy which is you. Know pretty much free right, and then you become independent. Then, you, have energy security, which, is economic security, which, is national, security in some sense right so I think that, the very beginning, of our drive for renewable, energy actually started from, that point of view in. 2007. Peggy, and you founded. Uture, an, organization. That aims to make China more sustainable. Her. Ideas, on the role of sustainability. In China are regularly. Adopted, by Chinese, leader Xi Jinping in. Particular. Her, vision of the China dream. The. China dream you, know to me is really about everybody. Has some moderate, form of prosperity, together. And that, china together. We, thrive right, this this collective. Consciousness is very important to China so. Helping. Fill, the gap between urban and rural rich and poor, to. To. Make sure that all of us are going, on, this really, really really fast journey, together right we're leaping, right at. Giga scale at Giga pace but we want to leave together. The. China, dream, a collective. Push for greater prosperity, has. Increasingly, turned into a green dream. Like. In this coal region, to the north of hefei where. The sustain of future is being built literally. Over the remains, of the damaging, past. Send. Our men. Today. Attend, our Sangha, apologies, event today attend and emails and ah you, gotta know to. Take action. Jessie. J. Jenna. Wanted us we live with sahaja yoga, hi Gemma, hi. Angela. Canidius. Mika, tibia. Yeah duty tada, Mucha me one, second. MA, Sega's Kahala. Hanukkah. No, mention to pancha, graha. She, kageyoshi. Panache. Rajaraja. Chola, CBS. At our channel hang, on she Janet, ingenue yang-gon was a lazy bear, kogai-sama. Just. Said oh yeah, Jujubee. Alumina, let. Satoko. Toda. Yeah not, so much I am to sleep in your son Solomon. A. Total. Today usme. Tankette a quad on total divas yoga, Timmy, and I shot, a knocko, Cincinnati. Andre Agassi my otaku mode agafia auntie, Cosima un, testigo miss hande, hoche he0, Samia. Samia negotiate, Reyes, accountant. For children. Hobie. Artigue want, a yahoo, tiga see me enjoy, a sentry. Salalah Oman Concord, rotator, summation, EEOC Safari. And Sigma so, vienna yahushua. Yada. Yada, yada kasi mention. Moment. A virgin fertility, nurse educator, for Taniya, evaluate. Our nigga Jenna yeah. You. Got the kingdom, feel you a woman so that the agenda, to focus your finger. You could see the you co young with Hollywood.
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People Who are thinking in systems in a connected, way. Out. You're. Pushing it to the ground right, one. More time yes. Perfect, that's the Qi going, through your body so, what you want to do is when. She gets good enough she'll be able to actually project, the, Chi through. Different. Parts of your body don't go so close do you see how she's like oh hey. You guys. You. Have to step back and think about the way that Chinese think. About history in the future we think about things in like 5060. Hundred, years right, and so you know if you're only thinking, about let's. Say the next three months quarterly. Reports, or you're thinking about the next four years your election, term then you might not be concerned, about things, like climate change but, in China, I think it was Mazda dome who first thought, up this aqueduct, that would bring water from one part, of China all the way to the other end of China is now just being built right and so Chinese. People really think about things in much much longer terms. China's. Long term mindset. Influences. Not only its plans for its own clean energy, but, also its, plans to become a global leader of, the growing sustainable. Technology. Market. China. Is. Basically. Saying hey let's work, with all these countries, from Kazakhstan. To Spain. Right. Down, to Pakistan, to, Kenya and let's. Economically. Shake hands right and. Build. This, cross-border, logistics, network and from. There you can have cultural. Connections. And communication, and soft, power you. Can have, increased. Economy. I think. That as the belton, road becomes. Built. Along, you, know China to Russia to Spain, and down, through maritime routes to Africa, what, you'll see is is that hopefully, these. Types of sustainable, solutions. Will then go into the infrastructure, that's built in, the, cross-border logistics. All along. This, belton Road that will reach 3/4, of humanity. I. Think. By 2030. That there's, a good chance that China, will. Not, only be able to meet the Paris agreements, but it will be, able to showcase to the world, what. Kind of solutions. Can, be exported. Outside of China to reduce. Emissions at scale. If. China, views, sustainable. Technology. Is the ideal, motor for, the economy, while, the US is slamming, on the brakes what. Does this mean for America's. Future. 10. Or 20 years we will no longer be the largest funder of energy innovation, we. Will no longer be the source of many of the exciting, new, technologies. Both. In you know the production, generation, of electricity as well as the digital use, of electricity you. Know digital innovations, are where we shine we. Have been developing the Smart Grid technologies of, the future the, smart thermostats, of the future the. Autonomous, vehicles, of the future, China. Is going to overtake us in all of these technologies. If we do not keep a laser focus on innovation, so 10, 20 years I worried the United States could lose its pole position, and that's. Our last advantage we. Lose that advantage we. Will be in structural, and irreversible, decline. In. About, 30 years from now two-thirds, of our global electricity, will, be from sustainable. Sources this. Will have huge effect on other parts of the economy but. Architect, Erica, Ingels, is confident. About the future I think. Maybe people have started, daring. Imagining. That we can actually make meaningful change, again and I, think from the point of view of the architect, the last 20 years. Innovation. And resources, has been so, obsessed. With. The. Immaterial of the virtual the digital. Also. Because of the. Scalability. Of things you can scale things in the virtual environment or, in the digital environment almost. At no cost. I think, lately that ingenuity, has. Come back to the real world, electric. Cars driverless, cars. Robotic. Manufacturing. The. Internet of Things, suddenly. All. The all the technological innovation, there was like somehow happening. In its own little bubble has. Actually started spreading into the into, the physical environment. I. Do. Believe, that the rise of cheap renewable. Energy is going, to reduce the, cost and the price of electricity I believe. For example we're already seeing signs of these cheap electrons, being. Generated, for example in Abu. Dhabi Chile. Mexico, Saudi. Arabia India, all. Of these are signs that these technologies, are going to bring down the cost of electricity. Very.
Cheap Electricity could. Turn out to have as much of a transformative, impact on the world as the. Internet did it because. It allows the economy to use electricity in ways that never thought it would use it before that's. A powerful concept, so when we think about the, future of renewables we should stop just thinking about will, renewables, displace, fossil fuels for this use instead. We should think about what new uses can renewables, open up. Let. Me give you a few examples, desalination. Could be a new way of generating, fresh water rather. Than relying on increasingly, scarce fresh water as climate change takes its toll, vertical. Farming can harness LED. Lighting that, uses virtually, free electricity in order, to produce agricultural products. That we didn't, think that we could produce at scale, and sustainably, using. Conventional processes. I. Think. We can get there and I am optimistic we can get there and if we do get there all kinds of good things will happen just, as we've been talking about it'll transform not just the energy sector but also adjacent, sectors the whole global economy will, shift to take advantage, of this, new abundant, energy source. Alright, I definitely, read a lot of science fiction science. Fiction is a story, where. The narrative has, been triggered. By some, form of innovation so. You, see a world that is like the world you know it but. There's one new invention, and that invention. Can be a social invention a political, invention a cultural invention or often, it's a technological, invention, so. The whole story it becomes a narrative exploration. Of the, potential, consequences of, this. One invention, but. By changing this one thing it. Has, these sort of cascading consequences, and, the. Design becomes, a design exploration. Of the, potential consequences, good. And bad problems. We need to solve and the possibilities, we can explore of making. That one change so. Suddenly rather than you, as the designer having, to come up with all kinds of things. All. You have to do is. Follow. The consequences. Of this one change, and. And and, you'll discover a whole world that you didn't even know existed. We. Need folks at every you, know, every. Level policy, business academia. Science, thinking. About this extraordinarily.
Important. Challenge, unfortunately. We do not have enough folks doing that and I, my, plea is. For more people to think about how we, might enter a world that runs. Off of a, majority, of solar power by. The end of the century. Thank. You for watching, for. More on this subject take a look at the playlist you, can also watch this recommended, video don't. Forget to subscribe to our Channel and we'll keep you updated on, our documentaries.
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2050 there will be no one left.
pointless! déjà vu! learned me nothing!
Unfortunately, Chinese people can not watch this video.
Enjoyed the program. Only problem that no summary of Chinese comments
A big part of the problem right now is that we have become part of this machine that is the fossil fuel industry. It has come to dictate much of the way we live. Too few people realise how much of our time in this life is currently still spent purely on making the fossil fuel energy paradigm possible. Logistically and economically. Follow the money. It is the breadcrumbs of our efforts, needs and aspirations. So easily we consider the direct energy margins involved with extraction, 'this' many barrels of energy to extract 'that' many, but fail to consider the human effort implicit in those margins. Society is like a patient trying to point out where it hurts, and it hurts everywhere it is pointing, but it turns out it is the finger used which is injured. We have not yet been able to sufficiently imagine what living in a world where energy is cheaper than the cost to transport it might look like. Which is exactly where the renewable energy revolution is taking us. I can tell you that every logical avenue I have explored indicates to me that the renewable revolution will not just be an energy revolution, but also a revolution in humane standards of living. Humane ways of living. Energy is power. Sustainable distributed energy will empower everybody on this planet to improve their lives. Not only that, but in an environmental sense the transition will be akin to sucking the poison out of a snake bite. Many look at the way things are now and are convinced that this is the only sensible way to live. Prominently the titans of this fading industry. So they vociferously oppose change. I can even sympathise. They understand that paradigm better than anybody. Their relatively good fortune is underpinned by a certain status quo. Their peace of mind by a whole hearted acceptance of it. But it is not the only way to live. A better way to live is possible. You see it more and more. Individuals, couples and whole families living full, rich, rewarding, healthy and happy lives on barely anything. Simply because technology is starting to make it possible.
There is no future. 2 degrees and more are already locked in. Agriculture will fail within years. Chaos, anarchy, the collapse of civilization. Not much later: the meltdown of nuke power plants...the end.
that's just goofy
Me encantan esta clase de documentales, y agradezco al equipo encargado de permitir que este contenido llege a otras lenguas. Realmente innovador, visionario e inspirador. Bien lo dice Varun Sivaram e interpreto un paradigma dentro del paradigma de las renovables ... El metabolismo social sostenible y la innovacion e inversion tanto como en infraestructura, tecnologia y nuevos modelos de negocios permitiran el exito del empuje que hace China y otros paises para hacer frente a los desafios que enfretamos como civilizacion.
BS nothing can replace oil nothing can you put that in your head Its a fact .
Please explain?
WTF are you talking about that make no sense , china are country who pollute the most , educate yourself JC first how much energy you use > energy you collect is a dead end .
learn english, then. we will stop burning oil as fuel. we will not stop using oil for other things, like plastics and pharma feedstock. Energy can be got in myriad ways, more cheaply than burning oil or coal or natural gas. 2c / kWh in China last year.
What are you talking about make no sense
garbage. oil burning will go. oil using will not.
Chinese thinks in long term, is that why they built ghost cities?
those ghost cities are gradually filling
it is concept in general asians believe in long term survival. is what she meant. Having said, money and greed can lead to mistakes. And these are done by corrupt few individuals, not a society as a whole. And these mistakes are common all around the world, it is driven by greed by few rich, powerful individuals often.
This is a no brainier, and decentralization is the key. That is the very thing loathed by the current titans of dirty energy.
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We have to,we cant grove on fossiel energy couse the earth will become poisones.
Pumped air on the ocean floor would be a great way to store energy
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...." seems need some changes!!
It seems the VPRO that produced "Quants: the Alchemists of Wall Street" has overdosed on 'hopium' and is now floating in a permanent, vegetative state induced fantasy world.
There is no such thing as "green energy" ... and c h e a p "green energy" is certainly a prime candidate for bad math, creative accounting and just plain outstanding bullshit of the year award. This doc is badly sourced and it fails to address large parts of the predicaments were facing. It's sloppy 'fake news' with a contrived happy face.
So how long will it be SUBSIDIZED with tax dollars? Wake up, the Chinese wont go along. Look at their pollution...Beijing. As for being dependent on fossil fuels every house should have solar now if it werent for Utility companies gouging Americans. To make this transition Leftist politicians want Carbon Taxes to screw Americans even more. Already shot down in Washington state
We don’t have that much time.
Great doc just wish there was translation in the parts that spoke other languages
There is translation! Just press (c) on your keyboard or click on the wheel in the lower left corner on the video to choose the language of your choice.
why does it seem like putting a giant source of energy in the OCEAN why? the ocean will always win in the end
The fossil fuel executives and their buddies must have a plan for leaving the planet once they've trashed it completely. I don't know where they'll go, but personally, I think that they should go to hell.
They have a plan to pop an EMP in higher atmosphere once we all convert to decentralized and cheep energy. Once they don't need us, because we are not buyers, we are good as dead. If you think about it, most wars are fought over energy resources nowdays - oil, gas pipelines... So you know they are able to kill to get what they want.
Love your documentaries❤️
Great video
Giga Factories are the Prime Solution, to decentralize Energy via Alternates, Innovation in Storage devices(Batteries) are the key. And then surely there are deep impacts, only for the deep minds to understand and find greater applications.
we can and we are going green
Overpopulation by people that cant Afford children too...
Oceangoing vessels, airplanes, agriculture machinery, fertilizer plastics, et all will use carbonfuels. Our artificial created reality prevents the big change.
+Serge Fournier In 14.5 secs the sun delivers enough clean energy to power the world for the rest of the day. We just need to collect it and store it. What's this bull shit you are trying to spread? The mind is like a parachute, it must be open to work. I suggest you pull your rip cord, and fast.
+Kiran Kankipati - The Linux Channel one child policy seems was also "long term policy". Not that successful however. Now China will get older very soon. On top of this huge surplus of men over women results in even bigger issues in demographics. Going for the reduction of fossil fuel looks correct but this is mainly effect of the previous problems (industrialisation and enormous smog).
Those ghost cities are the products of (over) speculation and money printing from the government, it is not from a long term mindset. The developers built the apartments just like factories making their products but without enough demands.
The ghost cities are mostly based on market speculation and bought as investments. A good portion of these houses have been built super cheaply to take advantage of this and become rundown very quickly.
lol alot of the "ghost cities" are for the future and some of them now are very busy and bustling urban areas. Take for example shanghai, it was once known as a ghost city but look at it now, it is one of the most vibrant and richest cities in the world.
I agree and believe that technology organizations that utilize blockchain will increase the competition against the current Titans
Don't you need gas turbine power plants running intermittently and inefficiently when the sun isn't shining and wind isn't blowing? Oh I know, wood stoves and batteries.
Forget wind and solar. Liquid Salt Thorium reactors out perform at less cost and produce virtually no weapons grade bipoducts or radioactive waste. No vast fields of solar panels, no huge transmission lines, just container sized unites in each village town and city.
Sorry but I'm not getting anything out of this video I don't speak any other language but English
nickolas teslar free eneger for all magnets and cooper pip but thay know is never see nuck waste from power stations ?
This kind of faux green propaganda does far more harm to the environment than fossil fuels. Wind and solar will never replace fossil fuels and the reason is simple. Wind and solar are very low density, intermittent electricity sources, no amount of technology can overcome this. Also remember, electricity is only about a third of total energy consumption, wind and solar do not address the actual majority of energy use.
Yeah, cause sunlight and wind cost money, right! Do your research before you start blabbing. Green energy already is much cheaper than coal. The problem is the storage of that energy. That is the next phase we need to overcome, but slowly we are getting there technologically. It's just a matter of time. The Fossil fuel industry by 20 to 25 years time will be done. Live with it.
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+dmith smith Yeah see... There's a problem with your argument. Coal mining and the fossil fuel industry release truly vast quantities of toxic waste. Prominently heavy metal and metalloid pollution. Including lead, mercury and arsenic. Compare this with silicon panels which typically only release a variety of acids and a few types of solvents: "The PV cell manufacturing process includes a number of hazardous materials, most of which are used to clean and purify the semiconductor surface. These chemicals, similar to those used in the general semiconductor industry, include hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, 1,1,1-trichloroethane, and acetone. The amount and type of chemicals used depends on the type of cell, the amount of cleaning that is needed, and the size of silicon wafer". So A: The type of pollution from solar panel production is significantly more benign and manageable. And B: Not all panels are equal. Some types produce hardly any significant pollution compared to say... The world vacuum cleaner industry. And the tech and it's environmental credential are improving all the time. With increases in efficiency you effectively get more bang for your buck. Be that the financial buck or the environmental buck. And then there's the CO2 emissions which by any reasonable metric is our greatest current concern. Wind has a basically negligible impact. Batteries are still fairly heavy polluters (again nothing near the levels of the fossil fuel industry), but improving all the time due to significant ongoing material science research all over the the world. For example soon Tesla might not even use cobalt in their batteries anymore. Negating the entire environmental consequence of sourcing and using that element. Basically any and all pollution generated by all renewable power hardware manufacture is vastly overshadowed and outclassed completely by the effects of the fossil fuel industry. In my book renewable power is the better option. I'll rather go with a better option than no option. It is utterly critical that the renewable power industry proliferates.
90% of solar panels are made in enviornmentally unregulated countries and the amount of toxic waste and chemicals that go into the air and water directly from the production of the panels just about 100% negates the "Green" aspect of the entire panel itself before it is even sold... as of now Clean Coal is environmentally more friendly then solar.
+dmith smith Well actually... In a way it's better than free. You get more energy than you put into making solar panels and the return is worth more than it costs to make them. You can take some of the returns and reinvest in new solar panels with equally beneficial results. With relatively low, low environmental impact. Same for wind. All win. It is also about $$$ as you put it, but that is most definitely true for fossil fuels as well. So I don't see how that is even relevant to the conversation. It is actually cheaper than even coal. Energy infrastructure that pays for itself and then some. The only difference. Energy independence is possible for every nation on earth. Solar and wind can be assembled anywhere and the materials needed to build them can be sourced from anywhere. Far, far better.
All energy is a environmental trade off. There is no such thing as "Free Energy" "Green Energy" is about one thing and one thing only and that's $$.. period.. It is not about saving the planet and never was and never will be. To think otherwise makes us Green Sucker's.. It's all a huge marketing racket.
+Ben Johnstone how is that related to the points stated above ._.
+Serge Fournier have you looked at the state of china have you looked at the amount of inhabitants they have ? at the moment china is tansitioning from a second to a first world country. Every first world country had high pollution while being in the second phase. and if u look at the per head Co2 emition then china is way below the US China 2014: 7,2 Metric tons US 2016: 15 metric tons (i was unable to find a measurement for the same year because the US didnt state their Pullution back then) and what he is saying is the we can replace oil in many places for example cars, bags, heating or energy production, which is very reasonable. but we wont be able to replace it when it´s used for medicin, Airplanes and few other things Conclusion: it can be reduced and will be since it is not neccesary to use it for all the things we are using it for
So many places already have
Always there is a stupid saying that
Good luck fighting the fossil fuel industry it's all lip service. We're going to die and we have very little power to stop the ones responsible. Its violent revolution or bye bye. Ps 11000000000000 tons of carbon removed to reach 300m ppm and stabalize the climate. For those of you who cant count that high its 11 trillion tons.
Liberalism is a mental disorder. All these talks about how China is sooo great. They don't mention it's a fascist country and it is one of the heaviest polluters in the world. They can't even breathe their own air without getting sick, Their lands are turning into desert, and the water is full of heavy metals. Green energy gonna save the world and China gonna lead the way ?? You joking right ??
China propaganda?
Disappointing to see VPRO regressing to bashing the United States and cheerleading for the Chinese Communist Party. China achieves change at such a rate because it eschews those decadent western ideas such as 'human rights' and 'liberal democracy' in favour of avoiding any kind of accountability to the populace by keeping the economy growing with large infrastructure projects that only minute percentages of the population have the means to utilise. The only reason the CCP has any interest in climate breakdown is because it has realised how difficult it is to remain in power when the workers are breathing, bathing and eating in the filth that unfettered industrialisation has created. VPRO usually avoids such leftist hucksterism, and I hope this documentary will prove to be exceptional in its overt distaste for democracy.
+Lucas Xiao Yes, you can. But your friends in china can't. If you are in China, you are breaking the law of China. It means you are a potential criminal in your country.
I like to bake kale until it's crisp and eat it as a snack food. Unfortunately I also have a serious truffle addiction and will eat rich chocolate balls until it's absolutely ridiculous. I make my own since I only eat European chocolate, preferably Swiss chocolate, which is expensive in the US but less expensive if I buy it in quantity and make the candies myself. I've become pretty good at it.
how come there were no subtitles where that Chinese guy was speaking (23:30). Would have been nice to know what they were saying about renewables.
Battery technology is the future of green technology.
well if you cancel individual rights like china does, change it easy. but what off a life would that be in a western world were we have the freedom of induvidual choice
+Lee Alexander Where do you think the Majority of the Solar panels and wind turbines are manufactured, and for cheap ?? They could've gone green 10 or 20 years ago, but they can't and they won't. It's the same reason why the US won't go green either. It's called profits...... The only way to force these countries to go green is for individuals like you and me to unplug from the grid and use renewable sources, but that's not an option for a country who won't even allow their own citizens Free Speech.
They can see not only the necessity but the economic benefit. For everything that is obviously wrong in their country they are a growth economy. I can't say the same for the US at this time unfortunately.
+Aj Battle How unfortunate. It seems that's true of a lot of newer housing in large parts of the world.
Yes it is. They not only have available domestic housing but investment housing. They have forward looking leaders at this time.
Sure is weird how all you climate freaks are still behind Elon Musk. It really is insane. Sure, he owns Tesla, that makes your prized electric cars that you want to force everyone to drive, but guess what, he also owns Space X who has been launching shit loads of of rockets recently. Is that not seriously hypocritical? And dont even try to tell me that that use a clean fuel or some bull shit. Global warming is bullshit!!!
29:40 The Dutch urban planner frankly appalls me. Most people are not going to prefer living in high-rises. What they want is much more like that Dutch house with a garden. Some will prefer life in a high-rise; it depends a lot on what your favored and necessary activities are. Building up rather than out is good, up to a point, but it's subject to diminishing returns. And indeed, land used for residences isn't even the real problem. It's the sprawling transportation system, caused by long commutes, that is the main trouble. So the challenge is to arrange things so that people don't have so far to go to work, school, shopping, and other activities. A lot of it has to do with zoning that is too restrictive. But I'll never favor making efficiency, or sustainability, the SOLE criterion for planning. Even in China, I don't see that such a thing is necessary.
Would you ski across the roof of a skyscraper?
Varun Sivaram admits that events have far outrun what he imagined ten years ago. And yet, he thinks it will take until 2050 to get 2/3 of global electricity from wind and solar. And he thinks solar will be 2/3 of that part. How is it that, having been outrun by the price drops, he is STILL so timid and conservative in how he thinks the next few decades will go?
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So much of this video is about predicting the future in 5, 10, 20, even 50 years into the future and presenting these predictions as though they are going to be fulfilled. If they're so good at predicting they should apply their predictive tallents to investion in stocks. They'll most likely discover just how impotent their tallents are.
The lady unlocks the bike then pushes it, never rides, even when it's not crowded. She could just carry her purse or ride a boosted board like Casey Neistat, I would trust her more then'. There is way too much Libtard, Communist, Green Nazi, propaganda in this documentary. If China ever finds the winning formula, and I hope they do. We should just steal the Tech from them the way they have stolen everything from us and the rest of the world.
China is already trying to fool people that they are "green". Things like street lights that are supposedly wind powered. They have small wind turbine that looks like it powers the light, but it was discovered that the turbines are fake, and actually has a battery that is what is used to turn the turbine. It was discovered due to the fact that the turbines would be turning when there was absolutely zero wind, and also not even moving at all durring times of high wind....oops! The only green aspect of the system that is actually "green", is the fact that the battery that powers the fake turbines is recharged by a solar pannel.
+Lee Alexander and then what do you do when all the lithium is gone? It's already being used up pretty fucking fast.
WTF BBQ Capitalism relies on a Growth Economy, which is obviously unsustainable, you can’t keep growing with finite resources,. The future will see a move to more regenerative practices and a ‘Steady State Economy’. Also the future is going to be decentralised, renewables are helping us to move that direction. Eventually all the mega monoculture farms will break up releasing land for small sustainable settlements etc.
Lee Alexander But the low tech solutions are coming from new small businesses, big business are also getting on the renewable energy market cos they can see it’s either do that or become obsolete!.
+WTF BBQ No. The corporations won't do it to save the world. They will do it for profit. They have no national loyalty. They function in the international market.
+WTF BBQ Green energy is a field of financial opportunity and to be left behind the curve, which we already are, will also leave us behind economically. The Pentagon does a lot of energy research and even the big fossil fuel companies are looking in that direction although they're late in doing so. If we don't start getting ahead of the game China will be the next leader of the world economy leaving the U.S. to become a third world country. If you'd been around as long as I have you would clearly see the deterioration of the country and understand how badly we are already failing. If we lose the status of being the world currency we are done. Game over. That status is currently propped up by the oil based world economy, but that is rapidly changing.
+WTF BBQ It's the flip side of the U.S. in which the capitalist class run the state. China is state run capitalism. Not because it works, but because it's a capitalist economy. Capitalism, communism and socialism are only economic models with most countries, including the U.S. using a mixed economic model. The U.S. runs more on a capitalist model than most European countries with China using a very capitalist model as well.
+WTF BBQ I am already off the grid on 100% renewable energy including my transportation and my water comes from my well which is far cleaner than any public water supply. I've spent a lot of my life that way including my childhood since my grandfather who raised me lived off grid. It may not be a beautiful property like my grandfather's place was but large parts of it are covered with trees and I can grow much better food than I can buy in the store. I make trades with small local farmers for much of what I don't grow myself. It could be a decent place but needs work. The hay storage and one barn need work on the roofs, I need to improve the drainage in several areas and several bags of 5/8 gravel along with a load of larger pieces would be helpful. The stallion stall needs rebuilt and I need to make some repairs to his fence since he's a little rough on it when he gets bored. Solid welded steel rails don't hold up to the beating he gives them. There's more needing done than I can probably finish in the remainder of my life and I find myself wishing for the strength and energy I had years ago.
+WTF BBQ China, but we wouldn't even be having this conversation if solar panels were the entirety of green energy development. Even if you put aside the goal avoiding a failed economy on a failed planet I see hope for fields of shared opportunity and prosperity in learning to live more harmoniously with our environment. If you follow this stuff you see developments on an almost daily basis, although it takes time to test for safety, improve upon them and bring the costs onto line. A startup in Sweden has come up with a way to bring back the ice caps and they have reached the point where they only need to find a way to bring down coat in order to profit. Carbon capture is much newer than solar panels and could certainly be improved on. There is still work to be done on improving storage batteries. Some last resort measures are far into the development stage although we hope not to have to use this largely untested technology which is based on the affect of volcanoes on cooling the climate. There are sure to be technologies we haven't even thought of. It's a pretty wide open field even at this late stage. With factory jobs having been automated out of existence I see a great deal of opportunity for workers society no longer has much need for. When the supply exceeds the demand workers and their families are the ones who suffer. Another great benefit would be an end of the oil wars and a vast reduction in the power of the arms industry Eisenhower warned us about all those years ago in a speech I still remember clearly.
+Kiyarose3999 News flash: China's economy is Capitalism. You know why ?? Cuz it works. The computer you use to watch youtube, the electricity you consume, the vehicles you ride to work, the internet, the food you eat, and every technological advancement in recent history exists because of Capitalism. Who runs these Capitalistic economy ?? Big corporations like google, microsoft, USA, Russia, China, and etc...... Yes, governments are corporations too if you haven't noticed. They care about people like farmers care about their cows. Liberals who think these "corporations" will give up their addiction to profits and CHEAP fossil fuel to save the world are either insane or naive. This Green New Deal that the LEFT are pushing will cost us 93 Trillion dollars (That's with a capital letter 'T'). A debt that high will crash the economy, start WW3, and kill billions of people. So, can you tell me again who's the "enemy" of the people ??
WTF BBQ What’s‘mental’ about caring?, unlike Capitalism and the Right who ONLY care about big business and is why the right exist to represent the interests of big businesses over people!. You have politics upside, it’s the right wing establishment that is the enemy of the people, not Liberal/Social/Green politics!
WTF BBQ Which is why they are reforesting the desert lands, even using the army to plant the Trees, they also are building Green cities with Trees, Shrubs etc integrated into architecture, plus they are moving to renewables faster than any other ‘developed’ country. They obviously realise the smog from Coal and car fumes isn’t sustainable which is why they are going through the above transitions!
The reason that no one builds them, is because they are very unstable. Look at the videos on ITER which is what is the newest thing being built in France.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is depicted as a tangle of spaghetti with many Noodly Appendages, flanked by two delicious meatballs, and with a pair of googly eyes upon stalks. Such a depiction is merely a guess, of course, as the FSM is understandably invisible to all known forms of scientific detection. Although the exact airspeed velocity of an unladen Flying Spaghetti Monster is unknown, it is widely believed that it is more than likely to be faster than a cheetah. However, this is not the answer you are looking for. You need to think for yourselves! Whether or not the FSM is actually made of pasta is the subject of intense theological debate, with many claiming that the FSM is not made of pasta, but just appears to be, while others believe that to be a Flying Spaghetti Monster, the FSM must be made of pasta. The FSM is neither male nor female, but completely genderless, as the idea of a Monotheistic deity needing a gender or genitals is pretty silly when you really think about it. The genderless term Pastafarians refer to FSM as is ‘Quob’ – as in – ‘May you be Touched by Quob’s Noodly Appendage’ instead of referring to our deity’s Noodly Appendages as ‘his’ or ‘her’ Noodly Appendages All followers of the FSM hold that pirates are sacred and were the first Pastafarians. Climate change, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters are directly linked to the declining number of pirates worldwide. Many Pastafarians therefore choose to wear full pirate regalia as a means to help the environment and belay natural disasters. Other Pastafarians just like wearing colanders on their heads. I think you should be part of this group. Are you a colander wearer, or do you make your hats out of aluminum foil?
+B. Rippy Blah.. blah... Plants need water too and you don't see plants thriving in a lake of boiling water. If the climate gets too hot then it'll make no difference whether plants like the CO2 or not. Half the species of animal on earth or more will not be able to adapt quickly enough and just die out. Sure plants will survive wherever the climate still suits them. If there's more CO2 then they will thrive in climates suitable to them. But I'm not a plant sir, and neither are you. We're ultimately talking about our own survival here. I'm happy that Las Vegas got a bit of snow for the first time, but my city reached 50C in places for the first time ever a few years ago. Climate "change". "average" heating. If you don't get those concepts then I assure you. You do not have the mental capacity to be part of the discussion. Or at the very least need to go back to school for a while. Just stick to what you are good at. There is no shame in it.
+Joe Black guess what, we live on a planet with these things called trees & plants that require Co2, and it has been proven that in historic times of higher Co2 levels, vegetation was thriving. Yep, there were times when the Co2 levels were astronomically high, but the ozone wasn't destroyed. Are you aware that last month Las Vegas recieved the first recorded snowfall there ever? Global warming?
Sjef Hoefs You misunderstand anarchy for chaos, whenever things are or look like they are breaking down people say ‘anarchy reigns’ or whatever. But that is just the system’s propaganda also connecting Anarchy with disorder and chaos. BUT if people informed themselves by reading some actual anarchist literature they would realise that anarchy is simply a way of organising without government or leaders.
+Nomnom Nomnom and how exactly do you think those Co2 emissions were measured? That's bullshit and you know it. All the numbers are faked and have been tampered with to make it seem like the end is near. And you have gone right along with it. Your just like all the rest who latch on to one talking point and think that is somehow gonna save the world. The largest emitters of Co2 are Oceans Forests Volcanoes Not humans.
Ok caveman..no back to your trailer house.
6.5 GDP growth rate is considered a recession in china. lol. most those cities will fill up eventually. china's GDP doubles in ten years at 6.5%. so those apartments will be filled eventually.
They are not gradually filling faster than they are falling appart. I've seen videos on actually showing the reality about tgese ghost cities from people who actually been there. So unless you seen them first hand or got your information from one that has don't believe what you think is actually true.
+Lee Alexander yeh true its not a china only problem its the same in the UK and America. The phrase "new build" where im from is synonymous with houses that get tired and worn out after about 5years.
B. Rippy The Current Global Warming is not ‘natural’ but man made, to go on about monsters then throw climate change in with a load of natural events is a silly attempt at covering the misinformation you are spreading!. Or it was all meant to be bs, either way it seems you have nothing intelligent to say.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is depicted as a tangle of spaghetti with many Noodly Appendages, flanked by two delicious meatballs, and with a pair of googly eyes upon stalks. Such a depiction is merely a guess, of course, as the FSM is understandably invisible to all known forms of scientific detection. Although the exact airspeed velocity of an unladen Flying Spaghetti Monster is unknown, it is widely believed that it is more than likely to be faster than a cheetah. However, this is not the answer you are looking for. You need to think for yourselves! Whether or not the FSM is actually made of pasta is the subject of intense theological debate, with many claiming that the FSM is not made of pasta, but just appears to be, while others believe that to be a Flying Spaghetti Monster, the FSM must be made of pasta. The FSM is neither male nor female, but completely genderless, as the idea of a Monotheistic deity needing a gender or genitals is pretty silly when you really think about it. The genderless term Pastafarians refer to FSM as is ‘Quob’ – as in – ‘May you be Touched by Quob’s Noodly Appendage’ instead of referring to our deity’s Noodly Appendages as ‘his’ or ‘her’ Noodly Appendages All followers of the FSM hold that pirates are sacred and were the first Pastafarians. Climate change, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters are directly linked to the declining number of pirates worldwide. Many Pastafarians therefore choose to wear full pirate regalia as a means to help the environment and belay natural disasters. Other Pastafarians just like wearing colanders on their heads
Anonymous Hippopotamus Absolutely, and not just with energy, the future will be a decentralised one, which means the end of all the current power bases!
Wind and solar will change our world all right. They work 1/3, and 1/5 of the time, and the best batteries are 12 times less than required for a cloudy week or a windless month. Wind and solar are energy diffuse. You have to collect it over vast stretches of land. Why does it not matter that they cover hundreds and hundreds of square miles landscape with panels and pinwheels? And you call this being green? That's crazy. What does work at the macro scale is nuclear and hydro power, which powers the grids of France, Sweden, and Ontario to near 100%. They are energy dense, and 400 acres can cleanly power whole mega-cities. And yes, they come is all sizes also from the small scale to the largest scale. Millions of people in the developing world are not going to want to pay for panels which provide unreliable electricity, when they can have a low carbon wire coming into their neighborhood. Simple, and a lot cheaper than you think, all things considered! What relying only on wind and solar means, is the world will be locked into fossil fuel backup forever. That is not a solution to climate change. That's being defeated by carbon emissions. Wind and solar are a delusion.
this documentary basically praised China , did not provide raw scientific data to back up the china's growth, comparison with USA was wrong and incorrect.
China may be going fast in adopting green energy , the infrastructure they are developing quality will suffer and long term goal will deem short term, danger of poor quality will not be long term fix. China is copying American technology to design their society, which is copycat, not innovative. China is good at copying not so much in developing and innovating sad but that is the reality.
Killing people is costefficient
green new hoax is a lie to public that all the ice caps will melt in ten years and the costal cities will flood. actually the opposite is happening as we enter a new mini ice age because of the GRAND SOLAR MINIMUM. Good news, burn as much fossil fuel as possible to offset the coming cooling trend. the solar panels and wind turbines are a waste of money and will not work in a cooling earth with less solar output. instead we need to invest in mega sized heated greenhouses to protect our food supply from frost and wet weather.
Solar and batteries are technologies ....we understand the cost declines in technologies because we have been doing it with computers for 40 years......the cost declines in solar have been predicted for some while, it was just having to wait for the economies of scale .....but some people wont believe it until they see it
+Joe Black and you are obviously dead set on believing unproven "science". Don't you have a cow fart protest or something to be at right now? I'll burn a stack of old tires tonight and think of you while watching them burn.
+B. Rippy Dude your head is stuck so firmly up the conspiracy theory industry's butt you couldn't separate fact from fiction if it was labelled.
+Joe BlackI get it, you feel extremely virtuous with your assertions (in a very narcissistic way), but how is it that someone that thinks they know everything as you obviously do, doesn't even realize what temperature water boils @? Do you seriously have some kind of scientific evidence that the tepurature is somehow gonna increase (more than double) to end up @ over 200° F. Regardless, the mainstream science morons are claiming what they do based off of computer models which they controll all the paramaters. Somehow none of them have shown the same things... Why?...because they are computer programs can only do what they are told to do, and guess what its a fucking computer, not the environment. Now, the real question is why there is no oversight on "scientists" that know they are being paid by government grants which were approved on the basis of climate change. They will tweak their study to show the outcome they know gurantees future grants.
+B. Rippy lol Funny you should mention that. Based on the views you've put forward I would expect that you are the type of person who believes in fringe meta-science such as intelligent design. If so then I bet you've waited 14 years and two months for your chance to throw that drivel back at somebody. But of course it's not relevant since I'm the one taking my cues from mainstream science backed up by actual research and data, while YOU are in fact the one coming to the pitch with meta-science. Putting YOU firmly into the category of people supporting FSM'esque beliefs. Fail.
+Joe Black damn man, you could be the new leader of this group ⬇️ The Flying Spaghetti Monster is depicted as a tangle of spaghetti with many Noodly Appendages, flanked by two delicious meatballs, and with a pair of googly eyes upon stalks. Such a depiction is merely a guess, of course, as the FSM is understandably invisible to all known forms of scientific detection. Although the exact airspeed velocity of an unladen Flying Spaghetti Monster is unknown, it is widely believed that it is more than likely to be faster than a cheetah. However, this is not the answer you are looking for. You need to think for yourselves! Whether or not the FSM is actually made of pasta is the subject of intense theological debate, with many claiming that the FSM is not made of pasta, but just appears to be, while others believe that to be a Flying Spaghetti Monster, the FSM must be made of pasta. The FSM is neither male nor female, but completely genderless, as the idea of a Monotheistic deity needing a gender or genitals is pretty silly when you really think about it. The genderless term Pastafarians refer to FSM as is ‘Quob’ – as in – ‘May you be Touched by Quob’s Noodly Appendage’ instead of referring to our deity’s Noodly Appendages as ‘his’ or ‘her’ Noodly Appendages All followers of the FSM hold that pirates are sacred and were the first Pastafarians. Climate change, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters are directly linked to the declining number of pirates worldwide. Many Pastafarians therefore choose to wear full pirate regalia as a means to help the environment and belay natural disasters. Other Pastafarians just like wearing colanders on their heads
Great documentary! Save climate change! Resist ✊
I used to be totally down with renewables, but apparantly nuclear is by far the least worst option we have. It doesn't sound as good as "green" energy but it's better overall for the environment. look into it if you don't believe me
Solar electricity only works well on a clear day with no clouds and not that well in the winter.Wind does not always work well in some areas. Batteries are one way of storing energy. However, water is another type of energy storage. You can pump water into a tank or a reservoir and then make Hydro Power at night or on cloudy days. It can also supplement Wind Power.
Caucasian Simp shills for MBS Aramco, Putin-Rosneft.
Translations would have been nice?
How about a Free market and not a Forced Market? Solar is expensive garbage because the sun doesn't always shine and shines less the farther from the equator. Batteries are expensive garbage, expensive exotic metals, acids and horrible toxic waste, explosive and dangerous themselves and put off explosive hydrogen gas when charging..
Donald Trump and his followers doesn't believe climate change.
Did your parents never explain to you how doomsday cults work? I mean if you see someone fear mongering saying "DOOM!" in 12 years its kind of a tell.
Climate change or not yellowvests in france want to drive their cars to work instead of being forced to pay carbon taxes on the poor.
Governments can’t control their economies never mind the weather. Getting rid of fossil fuels is going to make it even harder to control their debt. It’s not going to end well. Renewables need much more land than the cities you are trying to power and the energy is intermittent. If you really want to reduce co2 global nuclear power and vast tracts of new forest are the answer.
Land destruction and massive waste compared to gen 4 nuclear.
Very adroitly put that first 17 seconds, ^oo^
I keep informed on Green Energy - but this was surprising info. Very well done.
+Michelangelo Buonarroti The thing about wind and solar though is that they need way more material to build, and they need way more land to be constructed on, and they're only effective 30% of the time so you need tons of batteries. So in the long run nuclear is "the least worst" for the environment overall. But i'm not against wind and solar, just saying focus should be on nuclear, especially in Europe where we have no deserts. Not too sure about the cost though.
It's far too expensive. And "the least worst"? Easily solar or wind.
Nope. What's really crazy is handing our grandkids huge problems and costs with coastal flooding and millions of island refugees who will need somewhere to live, and not having done all we could to spare them those problems.
China has copied a lot, but is now in the process of leapfrogging the US. It doesn't help that the US has a President who is so scientifically and technologically backward.
I'm just pointing out that the electrical grid has to be balanced to cover shortages from alternate energy.
Ocean power
Wonderful and imagination filled approach - with harm to none!
Watch China Uncensored or ADVChina ... that girl is talking bullS :)
Hi Gert Wolmarans, did you switch on the subs in CC?
Green energy will dominate in about 20 years, maybe much sooner.........but it will NOT be solar or wind. LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction) is here now. A LENR reactor emits no radiation beyond normal ambient levels. Currently LENR is allowed only for industrial use. After a few years of safe industrial use, it's predicted that home use will be allowed. A LENR reactor only needs refueling once per year. The internal plasma in the reactor reaches 20,000° F. Currently, ownership of LENR remains with the manufacturer and only the heat or steam is sold. The customer is not required to invest. The industrial customer contracts to buy a minimum quantity of energy at a guaranteed minimum 20% savings vs his previous energy cost. Once in mass production, LENR energy will likely cost a tiny fraction of current energy costs. The manufacturer is now trying to perfect direct production of electricity, without the need for mechanical turbines or dynamos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=GJz0T7lCWRg
Yes -- it was surprising that they made no mention of flow batteries, or gravity-based storage (tower/crane).
I fully agree. But you fail to realize that wind and solar, without nuclear and hydro, will not do the job of bringing the planet to zero emissions. It's delusional to think they can do that job. Germany, which is failing to meet its own emission standards, now writes new, easier ones. Nuclear France, Sweden, and Ontario have eliminated nearly 100% carbon from their grids. That's the first step. Germany's grid, after 480 billion, is still at nearly 60% fossil fuels. Energiewende has failed. If we wish to save our coastal cities we need to eliminate carbon emissions as soon as possible. Atoms for Peace.
"you want to force everyone to drive"....... thats the real bullshit
2/3’s of the world electricity by 2050 is way too late!. We are facing imminent climate crisis, we need a net zero emissions by 2030 or were fucked!
What the fuck are you talking about?
`Hopium`? We are trying to inform and explain complex topics. Let´s say `Informium´!
+fireson23 your a brainwashed idiot. Live with it.
+fireson23 Watch the video on my channel and educate yourself before parroting out a PR campaign. Peak fossil fuels has more or less been reached .... but the storage problem, technologically, and cost wise -- getting there -- that's fucking bullshit. If you knew anything about energy you would know that it's not be cause you have a 2-3-5-7 ..10 ....15 or even 25 % market penetration that the thing can get seamlessly scaled up g l o b a l l y to 100% while also maintaining BAU of infinite growth on a finite planet. Don't be a tool, don't be a useful idiot and do p r o p e r research. You're welcome.
A Fuel translation could cause the collapse of governments,destroy the economy even cause millions of people to starve to death and would most likely cause a skyrocketing of prices of product,unemployment and transportation at least and the biggest challenges is to replace the fuel that the nation revolves around with a fuel source and technology that is as cheap and all have failed and this includes artificial oils/gasoline and sugar fuels that would skyrocket the prices of food and electrics car resources are more limited and more expensive and this not even counting all the downsides of the technology and this may mean trying to dig deeper to find new sources or manufacturing a artificial version of the needed resources and would also effect other industries and products and prices other then cars , oil is a renewable fuel the resources for technology is not. The math makes it a bad ideal.
Wind and solar generation for grid use is vastly over rated and the problems that it introduces seems to not be generally known. It is ineffective, disruptive and very expensive. It is not a solution and does litlle to significantly reduce CO2 emissions.
People with panels on their roof need to organize into a business. It's the only way to get past the PUC regulations set up against green energy and in favor of fossil fuels. As long as people rely on a club, society, network or even a union they will not be equals and their voice will be as individuals, not as a power generating entity. The Distributed Network must speak with one voice and speak as an energy producing entity. It is the only way to gain equality in the war for clean energy, because it's being waged at the household level Without that grassroots, the top-down efforts will not meet demand and be held as example of failure.
+vpro documentary The topic is complex enough and important enough that it warrants starting at the beginning. To do so would require a thorough enough explanation of what energy IS and why it has been the g r e a t e s t enabler of ALL that we see around us and the ONLY reason the planet got to be populated by over 7 billion humans. The work all this entails would take SEVERAL episodes to properly expose the entanglement of energy with economics and industrial processes. You will have to resort to interviewing multiple scientists and engineer in the relevant fields. The more you dig, the more you'll appreciate the complexity and the more you'll realize that what we are facing is not a problem, but a predicament. Yes, if you're diligent enough, you'll come across experts that disagree on important points; and you'd be well advise to go out of your way to show an unbiased representation of the debate; but make no mistake, scientist and engineers are not immune to 'Silo Thinking' even though the worst offenders are still the finance and economics professions. If you really care to give your audience a proper perspective, you have to deal with the fundamentals ...and the taboo. I take great care not to waste ones time, I have nothing to sell and I'm not particularly sold to any "solution". Should you wish to see the lens through which the [S]ituation is b e s t exposed, I'd point you to these sources: #1. J-M Jancovici 's video's on YouTube -- his english is not perfect but no one gives a better glimpse of the physics - energy entanglement. Since you can't post links in comments here are a few titles: a. Jancovici : Can the economy become fossil free ? Shangaï China, 26/10/2015 b. Jancovici : Can we save energy, jobs and growth at the same time ? 08/01/2018 c. French engineer schools politicians on the physics of energy and resulting incidences on economics. (That last one was translated by yours truly -- read the description if you want interesting gems) #2. Have a look at Gail Tveberg's blog "Our finite World". #3. YouTube surely contains a few conferences or interviews of Nicole Foss. She's probably one of the most engaging speaker you'll get to explain where we are. #4. Slightly diverging opinion could be had by interviewing Ugo Bardi, Physical Chemistry professor at Florence University in Italy... He has a very sunshiny disposition and will not miss the occasion to talk to you about the Seneca Cliff ! #5. Mark Z. Jacobson's 100% Renewables (100% WWS) Roadmap to Nowhere by Conley & Maloney @ TEAC8 (read the description for this one as well) You have enough here to follow the trail if you are competent journalists. Hope you'll give Netherlands citizens and your worldwide audience a broader horizon, even if it's really unpalatable. Truth is best, ...always.
Tesla already has batteries for large wind and solar
+Roger Starkey We could abandon our oil interest in the middle-east and share the knowledge resulting in one of their biggest source of wealth being close to worthless resulting in such inferior countries becoming even poorer resulting in more starvation and death. The possibility of such death and suffering of such inferior peoples fills me with amusement but is it really the wisest approach?
A "Fuel translation" COULD cause a literal "power shift" worldwide. However It could feed many poor people, predominantly in "underdeveloped" but forward thinking countries. It could provide power to remote, underutilized areas of those same countries, unleashing the potential for clean water, agriculture, education, etc. It could allow energy independence from the traditional power (oil) suppliers (you know who!) thus diminishing *their* global influence, calling into question their requirement for global "defense" assets. No doubt this will be frowned upon by certain interested parties. THAT'S where you see the problem! "THE" nation (USA?) had better "get with the program" and wholeheartedly convert to the new technologies, or risk being isolated by those countries (substantially, the world) who do so. "Electric car resources" are neither "expensive" nor "limited. Please detail "the downsides of the technology"? Oil and fossil fuels in general are not "renewable fuels", they are finite, even and outdated. You need to research more.
+Roger Starkey, what would you like? Wind is unstable because the output is very variable with little change of input,. i.e. wind speed, as it works on a cube law. Dispatchable power plants not only have to balance the normally varying load but with the addition of wind output varying also they have to work harder. The greater the proportion of wind generation to grid demand thae harder it becomes. Grids are kept stable by these plants and their inertia due to the large mass of their turbo alternators. Not only that this increases the CO2 emitted by these plants a sthey are ramping up and down but theer are other running plants which are not feeding into the grid but soley there as back up, emitting more CO2. So it makes wind far less useful than would appear as to CO2 reduction. Solar, in the U.K is useless in winter as it produces zero power when demand is highest as it's dark. If you want more, let me know as there a huge expense for little return with renewables. I'll try and explain why.
Grand statement, nothing to back it up?
My thoughts exactly. Mike drop!
+Joe Black Joe, A few points regarding your posts. 1) You forgot to mention that "conventional" power stations also have to be built, using a *lot* of energy, creating a *lot* of pollution. 2) Once built, they pollute *every day* they are operational, no doubt becoming *more* polluting and inefficient as they age. 3) Regarding the Tesla batteries, you didn't mention the prospect of the "Maxwell battery" (Others *will* be available!) This would allow production at many times the speed and therefore quantity, removing not only the toxic wet process chemicals (currently recycled) but also the requirement (energy!) to dry the cells. MUCH more efficient! 4) I would also champion the increasingly large offshore wind turbines which actually turn in much lighter winds(!), With slower rotation speeds, so negating the "OMG they kill birds" argument. These can of course be towed back to shore and have the generation equipment replaced at the eventual end of life, making them even *more* environmentally friendly. Otherwise, GREAT ANSWER!
+B. Rippy Oceans and forests don't emit CO2, they absorb it. Human activities generate about 60 times more CO2 than volcanoes. It's easy enough to check out if you can be bothered...or maybe you think facts that don't fit your narrative must be faked
@27:00 I'm sure he wowed himself yet again in 2019 when he looked at the impressive Tesla line-up of vehicles. Not only do they compete they blow the Internal combustion engine vehicles out of the water. And this is still with a battery that can get better and cheaper. @28:50 Hear that Canada? 3 subway lines under an apartment building. It is possible. @39:40 he US is already in severe decline. Not just in innovation but also in health, recycling, education, finance and mass transportation.
Pumped air on the ocean floor in oil well would be a great way to store energy
Macio Luko Yep, that’s what I was saying, and is why I’m a decentralist!.
+Kiyarose3999 Centralization of power always leads to tyranny.
Macio Luko What do you mean by that?, and going by your ‘theory’ centralisation has led to a society that is massively undemocratic and so has put all the power to a few people who are trashing the earth. The US being probably the most obvious example!!. These Centralised ‘Democracies’ have been responsible for Colonialism and more recently Neo-Colonialism, and resource wars, Coups in South American countries such as El Salvador etc, NOW the highly Centralised US is attempting to pull a Coup in Venezuela to get their hands on the Oil, Gold, Diamonds etc.
Yes. Centralization leads to Venezuela.
cool beans, part old school was, idea's was a 10k kg gyro, for storing power to be use between summer/winter times, I always like Geothermal as the best. maybe Plasma 4 th state of matter, will be Next...
I want to be part of the solution
The future of energy is wind and water these 2 can connect and make real electric plants to carry us to our future.
MACIO THE CAR ITSELF IS PART OF THE PROBLEM,NO MATTER IF IS DRIVEN BY FOSSIL OR ELECTRIC POWER,THE CAR NEEDS LOTS OF ROOM,LIKE HIGHWAYS TO BE BIULT AND STRECHEC,AND NEW BRIDGES AND SO ON AND PARKING LOTS, A BETTER SOLUTION IS A VERY EFFICIENT PUBLIC AND ELECTRIC TRANSPORTATION, OR CAR POOLS ,OR SOME KIND OF CAR RENT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE OR OWN A CAR,THAT USUALLY SITS IN SOME PARKING AND TAKES SPACE THAT COULS BE USED FOR A CHILDRENS PLAYGROUND OR A PARK ON THE OTHER HAND THE BIG OIL CORTPS CONTROL THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE WAY WE USE IT,LIKE WHEN IN AMERICA THE BIG OIL,CAR AND TYRES INDUSTRIES BOUGHT MANY TRAMS LINES IN THE BIG CITIES,TO REPLACE THEM BY CARS,AND SO BIULD MORE AND MORE INEFICIENT HIGH WAYS
How about 20+ years to BUILD that nuclear, by which time the site may be threatened by rising oceans?
+kilen9me5skilen Two constructors have just pulled out of nuclear in the UK mid project because they can't make money on it. Another project (French! So they're "experts"!) is at least *5 years* late, billions over budget and has a power "strike price" that is already, at *today's* rates, 20% more expensive than offshore wind. Land and material? nuclear requires a big site, not only for reactors but for peripheral buildings. Furthermore, unless you want it in populated areas, there is effectively an exclusion zone around nuclear (also requiring security!) The first phase of the largest wind farm in the world using absolutely huge turbines has just been switched on in the North Sea! No land involved! When the generator pods on those turbines finally reach end of life in decades from now, they can be removed, recycled and replaced on the same mast saving tons of material with a high proportion of recycling. New nuclear can take 20 years to propose, legislate, design, build and test. Similar money spent on wind power could produce a comparable output in 5 years, meaning 15 years(!) of clean power rather than fossil fuel generation, which would also be cheaper than the nuclear option as previously mentioned. These projects would also be making *profit* over that 15 year period, effectively paying for themselves by the time and nuclear station was even starting to produced power(!) Wind power is the "most *best* solution"!
Macio Luko Centralisation does indeed lead to Tyranny Neo-Colonial blood for Oil (and other resource) wars such as in Iraq, Libya etc.
Well Centralisation( in UK) first started with the Land Enclosures of the 1600’s, when the Monarchy ruled the country. That, was centralised power, that like today’s centralised power, had their mercenaries to take and keep what they wanted from the people.
What's the idea behind having an English speaking documentary, but including large segments of Dutch or Chinese, etc language that is completely unintelligible and without subtitles or any further explanation of those particular long and involved discourses? I feel I'm missing out on important details those individuals are sharing at length. Informative doco anyway, but very frustrating for me in that regard.
"Green" is a lie. It is a capitalism plot. "Green" is still very cost ineffective, any engineers can tell you that. To build solar and wind, you need resources and lands. For every solar or wind farm you made, just how much resources you gotta dig up from the earth? Just how much are destroyed to produce just that much energy? For every huge amount of lands you took to build them, just how much trees, plants and species did you killed to get those land? For every wind farms you made, just how much flying species die to it? Solar and wind are costly because of those, not because is niche as claimed by brainwashed green activists. The real "green" here is nuclear related technology and any high cost efficient plant. You don't need as many lands and resources to build a nuclear plant to produce equivalent energy. As for the nuclear waste, it is just a matter of research. There are a lot of different nuclear technologies. Why nuclear isn't popular? The public are still afraid of the known failure of nuclear plants in history. The capitalists are not interested in putting money to research a cost efficient technology, it doesn't earn them much money you know? The superpower want nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear technology is not gonna make them nuclear weapons. Lastly, there are organisations or independent researchers around the world working on solid state batteries which basically store more, last longer and charge faster. However, that will only benefit the electric cars, it will not stop solar or wind to be cost ineffective.
+Dov Struzer Yes. I agree. And I believe someone like Elon Musk is aware of what you said also. This is why the personal car will be a thing of the past in the near future. I am simply waiting for an on call car service that is coming down the pipe. It will be much cheaper and more convenient to simply hail a vehicle to your current location and then let it go to pick someone else up as your trip finishes. The moment this service comes in at under $250/month, it is over for private car ownership.
+Sarah Hess "Fills you with amusement..."? REALLY? Anyway, you have if back to front. Those "inferior countries" (in the middle East..... again , really?) Are transitioning now. I wasn't talking about them, but the poorer sub tropical / tropical countries that will break the stranglehold of the current "superpowers". Their best resource? People. Especially people willing to work hard and educate themselves. As I said They will use the opportunity to feed and educate the population. THEY will become the economic powerhouses of the 21st century, while the self-righteous and lazy will decline. From what you said, that's where you are.... Watch your back!
+Richard Bono and meanwhile construction companies are pulling out of nuclear projects because they can't make money on them, while green power projects in the same locations are cheaper to build, faster to build and produce cheaper energy.
+Sangria sparkle spritz mule barrel Tin foil hat tin foil hat tin foil hat.
+B. Rippy 1) You assume "Lithium" is the only solution. Absolutely not. Lithium is used now, for transport, due to its energy density. That's not important for static storage. 2) where do you think the lithium that's being "mined" now came from? Clue? Much is in brine........ Seawater! Somehow I don't think we're running short of that?
Mmmmm....... Subsidies! All I want is the 6.5% of global GDP used to subsidise the oil industry removed! Give 1% of that to green energy and it's a done deal! The rest? Use it to sort out the global healthcare system! Easy!
Humans will not change anything. Egotistical people...the atmosphere and earth as a whole...has been changing for MILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE US!!!!
The greed of the American Republican Party and it's members will be America's down fall...... R.I.P. America!!!
Mack Dickerson LOL
It's an important notion that we should embrace mass energy consumption and stop seeing it as a problem and look at it as a challenge instead. Solar dropping 10x in price in the past 10 years means 10x more energy for the same money. The next decades look like that there will be some more drops. So that brings the question to the table what we would do if we could use 100-1000X more energy personally and collectively with absolutely no negative consequences. What are we going to do with that energy? Well, if you look at most structural problems in this world, having a lot of energy helps solve them. Food production is a great example. It requires light and water to grow stuff. You can produce both with energy. Making clean energy cheaper, means making food production cheaper. Also, it makes transport and logistics cheaper and cleaner. People are worried about their carbon footprints when they are flying. What if you could fly electrically and the electricity costs next to nothing, the planes don't make a lot of noise, and they fly themselves? Suddenly it goes from a wasteful and expensive way to get around to being the most convenient way to get from A to B. Often overlooked is fuel production. Fuel is simply stored energy. One use of excess solar is simply producing fuel that can be stored and burned at a later time. We are rapidly approaching the point where that is both feasible and cheaper than mining it from fossil deposits. Converting C02 and H2O into more complicated carbohydrates is not rocket science but it can power them. All it takes is energy and a bit of ingenuity.
HEY FAKE NEWS TELL THE TRUTH !!! WERE NOT GOING TO BE RUNNING GREEN ENERGY !! YOU THINK AMERICA IS GOING TO GO ALONG WITH CORTEZ/MOB DEMOCRATS----DREAM ON !!
Hi Chris Wood, we understand your frustration but we are Dutch broadcaster and we are not dubbing our documentaries. However, you should be possible to see it with English subtitles if you put it on in CC.
The only thing to save us is LFTR technology. Look it up. Get your heads out of yours asses.
+Roger Starkey lol You are saying the limited resources are unlimited that are needed to build electronic cars that are more expensive then normal cars and would cause a greater strain on the nuclear power plants requiring us to build more?and what of the other technology that would be effected by the use of those resources including computers and robots maids and fossil fuel is the inaccurate description of oil being made more from plants then dinosaurs and can be manufactured in a lab using plants making it a renewable fuel source and the USA being isolated sounds very pleasant and peaceful.
+Roger Starkey lol
First, it's not cheaper energy. Wind is subsdized the USA by a factor 17X over nuclear. Second the cost of wind omits the necessary backup power for when there's a two week wind lull. On energy produced for dollar invested, wind has a terrible record; only better than solar. Nuclear is saddled with unnecessary regulations, but still there are three plants under construction in the USA; and globally there's a nuclear renaissance in China and South Korea. Already France and Sweden grid is 100% emissions free thanks to nuclear power. Wind will never come remotely close to this record. Nuclear is a steady baseload which is available more than 90% of the time, and the next generation of reactors will be at 100% reliability. +Roger Starkey
solar panels are black and heat up crazy .. the more solar panels you place in a city the higher the city temp .. solar panels realy heat up the earth .. and wind is also not the solution !!!!!!
live underground ... much better as above in the sky
China moves all together. yeah, because they all WANT to move together, right? they all love and respect eachother so much that no1 is protesting against anything, right? full of nice people, but a F dictatorship. speaking of Chinese things, have they ever seen broken ice on a lake in a storm? that stuff breaks into smaller peices. just sayin'
Time to start community meetings to control purchase of ICE vehicles. All hands on deck is the call since our politicians are on the nipples of "dirty energy".
oil, even in the best possible green future, will be a major concern for many decades, possibly centuries to come. waging a war (if need be) would suck without jets and those birds won't turn into e-planes anytime soon. other than that, f.e. the fuel in cars, will be and has to be replaced crazy soon
fantastic doc! The architect lays down a really amazing insight. The amazing new thinking of today will be normal for the children of tomorrow. The world is moving forward, while in america, the fearful, the ignorant cling to the past systems. That will be their loss and the world will not look back.
The facts of this video appear to not agree with what countries are doing when it comes to green energy. If solar could compete with fossil fuels you would see utility companies moving to solar. When companies have to consider the availability of sunlight, the cost of solar goes way up. Solar panel are not very efficient in Europe, why do you think Germany is building a pipeline from Russia to Germany to carry natural gas versus a solar farm? What you will soon find out in the coming years is the fact we have entered a cooling period of the planet. NASA has reported the glaciers in Greenland have increased in size these past two years. NOAA shows 2016 as being the warmest year on record, 2017, 2nd warmest, and 2018, the 4th warmest. Notice the trend? WE are entering solar cycle 25 and a reduction in sunspots, similar to what the planet experienced during the Little Ice Age. Next winter (2019-2020) is expected to be as cold as this last winter and the winter 2020-2021 is going to be even worse. Just a heads up for those of you who believe in this man caused global warming, CO2 has played very little in the past 140 years of warming.
We should all be using electric vehicles charged from the excess power generated from our home, business and covered parking rooftop solar arrays making nearly everything we do 100% solar powered. The cost per distance driven is ridiculously cheap when you are your own solar fuel station (less than $0.01 USD per mile)! #nobrainer We cannot afford to continue to burn fossil fuels!
Nuclear is the present and future. I'm all for alternative green energy but nuclear will dominate. Yes, even recycling nuclear waste (green nuclear) for power by Terrapower Bill Gates and Thorium.
If renewable energy sources are so cheap why are they being subsidised? The free market isn't stupid. If it was actually cheaper energy companies would be on top of this in a heartbeat. The simple fact of the matter is that whole of life cycle for energy generation requires systems which have adequate energy recovery - sufficient for the recovery of manufacturing energy input, and which operate reliably, long service life, and environmentally friendly disposal after decommissioning. Solar and wind generators aren't there yet. Solar panels break, and wind turbines fail. There's a huge investment of exotic materials and no thought into the recycling of these components. The payback time for these systems is much longer, and in some scenarios these systems might never repay their manufacturing cost. Additionally, solar panels don't supply electricity without sunlight, and windfarms don't operate when the wind isn't blowing. These sources cannot provide on-demand power. To be useful they must be coupled with energy storage - and we don't have readily available and environmentally friendly forms of energy storage. The simple fact of the matter is that the technology isn't there yet. So why do we build these massive renewable projects? It's for people to feel good, and politicians and companies to virtue signal. I'd say stop polarizing this argument. It's time for environmental advocates to stop dictating solutions and let the engineers and scientists do their jobs. Renewable technology should be implemented when it's good and ready. Not before.
It was alot of Solerpanel just to make 150 Megawatt energy, when you can make the same enrgy with only 19 windmill's 1 windturbine make 8 Megawatt, so you only need 19 of them, and the space all the solar panels take, and all the metal they use just to keep the panel flot on the river, then i'm more in to wind turbine like we use in Denmark, in year 2030 we will have only wind turbine energy in all our contry, clean energy for all the contry only with windturbine, we already have 50-60% now, so soon we will be up on 100% wind turbine energy for all our contry and even sell to Sweden or Germany clean energy..Vestas wind turbine in Denmark made in Denmark.
We only have 12 years so f u ck it
Im in florida and we have the only solar farms in the country besides california (which only has one!!) we need to invest and fund R&D here in the US to invent the most efficient and least polluting production methods for solar!!! we need to store the huge farms in cali (they have the most sunlight AND the most physical extra space) and send the power out to the rest of the country!
+Xtra Moist I concur. We need modern infrastructure on nuclear facilities. Especially in recycling nuclear waste and Thorium invested research. The efficiency is too obvious.
I can't believe nuclear never gets mentioned when talking about sustainable energy. With current technology, nuclear power emissions is comparable to or even less than that of solar and wind - including spent energy storage when considering kWh generated by nuclear compared to solar and wind. And as far as I know we haven't even commercially used Thorium which solves some problems Uranium reactors have. At least compared to coal, nuclear is much safer and more sustainable. In my opinion, we shouldn't keep all our eggs in one basket. I think the future is renewables AND nuclear. Especially nuclear if we keep making progress with nuclear fission.
Hi Benjamin, Did you watch this documentary? If you did then watch it again. If you didn’t then watch it. All your points are valid and answered. The solution offered here are not the only options but the problems stated are real and need immediate action.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder" yeh ok buddy, are you fucking 12 years old? You sound like another angry little American, fearful of change. Is renewable energy going to change your life style? At all? No fucking way, if anything you might have cleaner air, you dont want that? Whoever said renewables will save the planet? Its not just about the environment you dick wad..you talk about "mental disorders" you're trolling videos just to disagree with other viewers who dont think like you..it is you.with thr MENTAL DISORDER you angry little turd!
This India guy here is quite Arrogant. He must be the new American. In a way, if America shut it's door on Immigrants like people like that, America's talents will be cease. China has more than a million Graduate working on all phases of innovations. America won't be able to catch up. Not to mention all the Bureaucrats and Corruptions that will disrupt progress along the way. Europe might stay on track with the future if Europe stay working with the Chinese. One good thing that will put the Chinese ahead of everyone is : They have the right political mandate and the right people in Power. America is in a Self Destruct Political Termoy, America is down for the count.
Too bad we elected a moron for president. So close....
We need to start competing with China fairy in all the fields specially in energy field.
I can never be convinced economy war against China is good thing. We need to compete with China not drag them down forcefully to balance out the national deficit. That is very wrong. That's like saying "Ok you made more money than us by selling us more things than what we sell to you so you need to pay more." That's what normally bully does to you in real life.
I so enjoy the forward thinking ingenuity of the collective Chinese clean energy community design ethos.
This is from Holland and Sweden, not the same thing. Wind power in Denmark has hit a roadblock. Nobody wants their ocean view spoiled by turbines. So even if the Danish government have goals for getting more EVs on the road, no plan for renewable energy exists to match that demand. That's why it isn't featured in this video.
about Trump and solar panels on the white house roof 19:00, I bet he doesn't know they even exist
Decentralized: big money doesn't like this word. The guy talking about batteries should update his knowledge since he sounds like someone living in the past. Besides, I am pretty sure that wind can produce energy at night.
GOVERNMENTS are inherently INEFFICIENT, and are the world's largest polluters. Expecting legislation to fix the problem is like asking a bully to come help your timid child gain self confidence. Or a pedophile to babysit for you. Good ideas don't require force. And government laws and regulations are all backed by force, threats, and guns. The free market runs on natural principles like all ecosystems do. Governments do not have the same built in response system, and are therefore unsustainable.
TOO LATE, VERY VERY BIG PROBLEM METHANE IS A BIG BOMB , every day coming 200.000 new polluters to this planet. Nobody will stop this and oil is used more and more. So take your health insurance cards, possessions, money, credit cards, language skills, diplomas and fancy titles. In 10 till 12 years you can burn it with the rest of this planet
diversification and unsubsidized competition are needed. Technologies need to be judged on their merits, not on their ability to arrange crony government deals. Are you familiar with the #NonAggressionPrinciple?
yey We have a chance of surviving I just need to convince mom :)
Renewables will NEVER be enough if we are not ready to decrease our energy consumption. Not enough of everything that is constituent of renewables.
Yet there's 80 million additional people on this planet every single year. It is unlikely that consumption will ever decrease until population stops growing and every person on earth gets middle-class lifestyle. Renewables simply won't be enough. Maybe nuclear if people stop thinking irrationally.
+Greg White LOL Of course you don't. LOL
+first Impression Yeah, I'm one of those people who don't live in fairy land powered by unicorn farts. You'll figure it out one day, good luck to you.
+Greg White Oh, now I got it. Why didn't you say you are one of these people before ? Now I feel stupid trying to have a normal conversation with you. LOL.
+first Impression Solar was too expensive 10 years ago and it's too expensive today and it will be too expensive in 10 more years. It's simple, solar is a very low density, intermittent source of energy that will never replace fossil fuels, regardless of technology breakthroughs. In Germany, the capacity factor for solar is 10%, how could they possibly run their country on that. If you are interested in the future of global energy, look up molten salt reactors, lots of information available.
+Greg White LOL you are so funny. Did you invent this terminology yourself ? That battery was made as big as needed. The goal was to help during pick times. That doesn't mean you can't create a bigger battery if necessary. Prices for batteries are going down just like for solar energy itself. You saying batteries are to expensive sound exactly like people saying solar is to expensive 10 years ago.
+first Impression Sorry to be the one to tell you, but that battery is not a storage battery, it's a buffering battery. It smooths out the always fluctuating voltages coming in from wind and solar. It has about 8-11 minutes of total capacity. With it they don't have to keep as many diesel generators idling.
+Greg White There are no grid level batteries? You mean except that one Tesla created in Australia ? I love how people don't know what they are talking about...
There are no grid level batteries, and if they get invented, they will just make wind and solar unaffordable.
+Greg White governments own ocean fronts and land where to build these systems.
That future assures global poverty
No, they don't, there are no grid level storage batteries.
Dustin Hill Absolutely! But central gov are never going to willingly put more funding in local hands. I think we will need to create our own local/regional economies, and the low tech Green solutions are all localised so that is the way things are going, short circuit the central system!.
decentralizing the funding of energy funding and development is also important. Instead of stealing the money through taxation and then letting politicians and bureaucrats give it to their friends who have invested in "green" companies.
This documentary shows perfectly clear that solid state batteries is where the next energy revolution will happen. The new "fracking" so to speak...
How Green Energy has 47 years to do it.... BP
Nuclear power is carbon free and capable of base load power. why do we believe that covering our planet in toxic solar panels is a good idea when the alternatives just make so much more sense
I worry about the lack of resources to build the power storage batteries to give the power when the wind/sun isn't there. These need lots of metals and minerals that are running out.
What if the western powers have a long term game plan, and they are just playing dumb at the moment? Wouldn't that be an ultimate gotcha moment long term....
This channel is incredible. Dear Netherlands, thank you for putting such excellent content into the world.
When he finds out he'll take em down, but somd coal generators up there lol
Before you purchase a vehicle powered by electricity ask yourself - What is the source of the electricity your vehicle will use? I am in favor of moving away from fossil fuel, however, once again people are being sold on the idea by switching to automobiles. Very few talk about rapid transportation without fossil fuel. Wind is being sold as a green energy when in fact it uses tremendous amounts of non-renewable resources to build and maintain.
+Dennis Cambly soooo what did you say? Your comment sure looked like a status quo stance on fossil fuel usage. Oh and by the way...fossil fuels cost huge dollars to get from the mine to the polluting power plant to ultimately your electrical appliance...spare a thought here thanks.
+Hit Reset Button I did not say so
Maintain the status quo right???
Baseload is an obsolete concept where a decentralized grid is being discussed. Apply a bit more imagination before commenting next time.
Anyone have summary of this?
One solution to. the intermitent energy supply is to pump water into a reservoir using surplus energy then release it through a turbine when energy is needed
+Hit Reset Button As we move to an environmentally friendly world we need to ask questions. I pointed to one example of something being sold as green when it requires non-renewable energy and non-renewable resources.
+Hit Reset Button your renewables always need natural gas backup and I actually dream of a world of energy richness not energy poverty... have you seen the state Germany is in because they doubled down on renewables? Compare them to France who have plenty of nuclear Edit... that being said, nuclear only makes sense for cities etc and renewables will have their place where the energy needs are less and storage solutions are adequate in a small decentralised grids out in the sticks as it were
Here in America. I have been telling my friends about China's progress. Unfortunately their brains run on oil.
What a feel good load of nothing I hope you get the grant or what ever you did this for, time wasters
When do people think by themselves ? WHAT do plants live off ? WHAT is everything created by ? What is fossil fuel made of ? IF YOU CAN ANSWER THE 3 LATEST QUESTIONS DO NOT NEED TO SEE THIS VIDEO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE&fbclid=IwAR0poWHfTLWhxDXgnZjqk-mvQLPaVPyOf3URgqiW03oUhYKE-d5V23fsSN8
I’m Canadian and I think about 2050-2100
I hear a whole lot of unwarranted left-leaning helter skelter in this documentary. Listen people, we can produce large amounts of carbon-free energy beginning this year if society would simply muster the collective political will to do so. In fact we can produce so much energy that we will not have to alter our personal habits, adopt hideous architectural designs, or otherwise be inconvenienced. How, you say? Its called modern nuclear energy. Now, I know what your thinking? I don't want to glow in the dark, I am scared about a Fukushima and Chernobyl style meltdown. You might have even thought about the problem of nuclear waste. While you arguably have legitimate concerns, if you are not embracing this technology you are simply foolish or you are not truly serious about curbing carbon emissions. First, it is simply a fact that you are exposed to more radiation while you are sitting on a plane or eating a banana than the miniscule amount of radiation that you escape into the outside environment from a modern nuclear power generation station. Second, Fukushima was a fifty year old reactor that was built in an area near a major fault line that was known to be prone to tsunamis. Similarly, Chernobyl was an inherently flawed reactor design that had no containment dome! Third, nuclear waste does not neatly fit into the definition of waste, much of what we currently call nuclear waste is perfectly reusable. In fact, if the US could build a series of breeder reactors like France has we could have a closed nuclear fuel cycle. Breeder reactors, unlike conventional reactors, make more nuclear fuel than they consume. This fissile material (nuclear fuel) can be recycled and reused to generate more power in the future. What little byproducts that remain are generally radioactive for a few hundred years, not thousands or millions of years. This makes underground disposal much more simpler, a underground salt dome would probably suffice. Additionally, we can easily build and design fourth generation nuclear power plants that are not only safer and more efficient than their predecessors, but are virtually devoid of proliferation risk and in some cases are designed to be inherently incapable of melting down . Thorium and molten salt reactors are reactor types that hold special promise. Thorium is many more times abundant than uranium and gram per gram holds hundreds of more energy potential than coal. If that was not exciting enough new modular systems (nuclear batterys the size of a hot tub) have been patented that can cheaply power a small city or a series of small towns. This is an excellent choice for power generation for remote parts of the United States and elsewhere. Such units are passive (they don't require a manned crew for power generation) and can not be tampered with once they are encased in their subterranean concrete housing.
sure, china is lead the pack, they did the e-bike ahead of everybody, and now they are suffering for it because they can't recycle batteries...........they DID it without thinking long term
Renewable energy has it's cost. It is not completely environmental friendly. It may be better than coal and oil, but it takes a lot of material to build something that breaks very easily. Solar and wind energy does do damage to wild life. And solar panels uses materials that are not bio degradable and also contains materials that are harmful if not disposed properly. I applaud China for taking steps towards renewable energy over coal. Their cities are in horrible conditions. So are the cities in India. Someone said Trump has taken steps to put renewable energy progress backwards. I think so far all he has done is undo regulations that limit carbon fuel energy usage. He has done nothing to reverse the progress of renewable energy. If renewable energy's progress requires a handicap on any other kind of energy, than i think more research is needed to improve it. But i am a strong supporter of Nuclear energy, just like the way France is doing it. Compared to Germany who is going strong on renewable energy, France has done more to reduce carbon emissions as well as provide cheaper energy compared to Germany. Nuclear waste disposal? Not a problem. Just ask the French. Someone once mentioned ... the future of our energy is Solar. That is 200 years time. We still don't have the tech to manage solar perfectly yet. Among the many pit fall of solar is irregular out put of energy and the mass amount of batteries needed to store it's energy which again ... pollution. Perhaps in 100-200 years time, we will reach the tech to be able to harness the solar power perfectly without having any environmental damage. But right now, nuclear is the answer. Less regulation and politics will allow nuclear energy to be the cheapest and most efficient energy we can have. And if managed properly ... it is safe. 3 nuclear power plant melt down in the history of man kind. 2 had fatalities and or environmental damage. Both were due to human error which were completely preventable. And even with that said ... it is still the safest for of energy we have based on statistics.
While young, that chap is certainly stupid...on a micro scale this is a very easy problem to solve through V2G (vehicle to grid) and V2H (vehicle to house) technology. I for one am already set-up for this next step in the renewables revolution.
Stick with fossil fuels right??? Good one Dino the dinosaur.
It was a good programme, but it would have been better with some English subtitles. I speak neither Dutch or Mandarin.
Hi Michael Ginever, if you put them on in CC then you can watch it with English subtitles!
Stop with the climate bull schitt... such a load... it's getting so played out.
I wish America was doing more of the same America is failing in technology and renewable resources all to please the oil industry
@19:06 i can tell this guy is a liberal. Making up facts about Donald Trump!! He is just ass burnt because Donald Trump backed out of the Paris Accord because he didn't believe this was fair that India and China would be allowed to build coal powered factories paid for by the United states. This agreement was going to. Be in effect for years to come. Trump believes all countries should contribute their fair share, and the American worker and their families should not be on the hook. I for one can no longer carry the worlds burdon, i am overworked, underpaid, and stressed out. Trump 2020
China lies!!! They are a short sighted greedy people. The only reason manufacturing moved to china is because of their lax enforcement of energy, pollution, and human rights. Google how many coal powered power plants they start up every year!! You are the brainwashed one if you believe these feel good documentaries and their small impact stories.
The world is going too need Nuclear power too keep up with demand of energy but wind and solar will definitely have there roll as well
Nice documentary. Just one comment: China is not a free market country. "Magic of China" is based on a three whales: 1. Huge flow of cash coming from production of literally everything; 2. Cheap labor offered by China; 3. China uses (both legally and illegally) oversea technologies. China has no future as soon as two out of three of these whales will disappear.
Storage costs are falling on a similar cost curve to solar and storage also increases the value of renewables. I think the grid will ultimately be a combination of nuclear, renewables, and storage. Storage and nuclear is where investment should be directed
Climate change is a natural thing with minimal input from Humans. Everything coming from Europe is not always the best, it's always about money.
HardWarUK We aren’t in danger of running out of metals and minerals and they can be recycled from products at the end of their life. Not to mention, increasing prices of less common metals and minerals spurs investment in the development of new mining sites and investment in technology to limit the use of that metal or mineral in products
The "transition to green energy" is a BS meme. Its destructive, costly and a negative drain on any 1st world economy.
Talk to us about China's plan for clearing up the annual smog and air pollution as well as building islands and destroying artificial reef. Why is china eager to secure the entire swaths of sea and claim it as there own if it was not for oil and gas resources underneath? Are you even aware there are other countries in Asia and not just China or this video sponsored?
+Greg White Yes, they do. Look up their Powerpack series of batteries.
Sooner or later the grownups are going to get tired of listening to this rubbish and set things straight. Not sure how the brainwashed are going to come to their senses but it will occur, no doubt. First of all, fossil fuels are as natural a burning trees as firewood. All fossil fuels were once plants and micro organism. It's stored energy from the sun. The real problem with burning fossil fuels is pollutants like sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide. CO2 is not only natural but an important component of air. The amount of CO2 in the air is not only at normal levels but is actually lower than than ideal. Remember plants use the carbon to grow. Greenhouses pump in CO2 to accelerate plant growth. That pot you have been smoking, the veggies you have been eating are a direct result of CO2. Despite what Al Gore says, CO2 is a good thing. Al Gore is wrong when he says that CO2 is causing global warming. It's not, for no other reason than because the earth has been slowing warming since the ice age. It's been colder, it's been hotter. It's no big deal. Now... with that said. The future will likely see a trend towards fracking and natural gas. It burns cleaner, as-in there isn't as much of that nasty SO2 AND NO2 which causes people to have asthma and other health issues. It's also cheap and there are gobs of it under every land mass in the free world. For example, England could become energy independent if only it would allow fracking for natural gas. Global warming is a ruse. Yes it is. Young people for several decades have been used as pawns in what is really a progressive power struggle for political control of the world. They are lying and have lied for several decades now. The good news, everything is going to be ok. In North America more and more power plants are switching to natural gas. This trend will likely carry across the world. The future, you will likely see more electric cars because they are simply better than gas and diesel. Wind turbines are doomed. They are an eye sore, maintenance nighmare and really not economical. Solar panels will be meh. They will be used in remote locations along with mobile vehicles like RVs. Right now in American you can buy electricity from the power company from $0.10 to $0.16 cents per kilowatt. That is cheaper than solar power and doesn't require any capital investment. Conclusion, sooner or later people are going to learn these truths and come to their senses. They will be exposed to the lies. They will know that Al Gore is a fraud. If you don't believe my rant, study up on geology. A chemistry refresher couldn't hurt anyone either.
U.S.!! LETS UTILIZE 10% OF GDP / 10% OF MILITARY EXPENDATURE & CREAT " 03. % on electric long term STORAGE " if we did this simultaneously apply these group of ideas into most efficient agriculture, energy apply savings to eliminate taxation. And " WE tHE PEOPLE " will spend & invest in our own financial 4 generations to restore growth whare we left off.We would surpass Passed economies on behalf OF WE THE PEOPLE We will spend more wisely. Thank you for listening. An actual miracle of our life. In the PRESENT. Let us once again be the economic modern financial trail blazers since the Industrial revolution. Once again Leading the world trailblazing into the foreseeable future." Let us be free "to the" WORLD."
Nothing in this can be taken too seriously. for example, the so called expert proclaiming, that cars are not necessary. When her hired bicycle is banned from certain areas of Chinese cities, because they jam up public access areas, because they are just left anywhere. Also, try moving the double bed out of your house, in the rain on one of them. Yes, we don't need cars.... whatever, this is propaganda.
The question no one is asking and no one cares to answer is: When people do develop a renewable energy infrastructure, what will stop governments of developing weapons which run on renewable energy? Oil controls war and the reason there hasn't been a war on a global scale in 70 years. Oil controls war.
CHANGING CLIMATE'S going to do in us Primates. Also the birds, though they can't read these words. The dodo was doodoo we flushed down the loo, too. And the trees and the seas and the bugs and the pugs. And not just the plants and the animal zoo ..... the tiniest planktons that make the O2. It's so terribly sad when ONE species ..... just ..... ceases. You'd think we'd had a special plot, "Exterminate the bloody lot!" Deniers and liars and industry hires, weave and deceive us, their gullible buyers. So now we have the great distinction of bringing on our own extinction. And know what's really, really funny? We're FOSSIL FOOLS in love with money." The End??????
Green means nothing. Extremely cheap or free means everything. If you want to be green then you can send everyone back to the stone age and make people live like the animals.
It may be underway but it is painfully slow. Btw employment in Sweden isn't all that brilliant. They love LGBT out there. The people are too liberal and have no real values. Nothing new in this video. Just a load of European quacks.
You are going to need a LOT of batteries.
Ogre MGTOW That’s what the gigafactories are for.
You're out of your mind.
Renewables made from oil products. Brilliant.
They forget that the reason China can run so fast is that the communist DICTATE to everyone without any recourse. You either play ball or come up missing in a labor camp. People are pushed from behind (for these energy policies) and if they turn around get punched in the face(Tiananmen square anyone)?
ENERGY CHANGE? YES! FOR POWER GRIDS ONLY, NOT TO TRANSPORTATION FUELS.2019 and beyond Internal Combustion Engines still to reckon with … Internal combustion engine has been around more than a century and it should be around beyond decades to come. This is for the motorists not to slow down their travel mode, changing lifestyle, more so to the business economy. There’s no substitute to liquid fuels for transportation vehicles in terms of Robotic Functioning and Molecular Alchemy. Liquid fuels are combustible or energy-generating molecules that can be harnessed to create MECHANICAL ENERGY, usually producing KINETIC ENERGY, It’s the fumes of liquid fuels that are flammable instead of the fluid. Most liquid fuels in widespread use are derived from fossil fuels; however, there are several types, such as hydrogen fuel (for automotive uses), ethanol, and biodiesel, which are also categorized as a liquid fuel. Many liquid fuels play a primary role in transportation and the economy. Efficiency --- YES! Pricey --- Yes, because it’s the price of an environment-friendly fuel ... not to be a hypocrite about nature.What is direct injection and indirect injection? Indirect injection in an internal combustion engine is fuel injection where fuel is not directly injected into the combustion chamber. ... Direct injection allows the fuel to be precisely metered into the combustion chamber under high pressure which can lead to greater power, fuel efficiency with added feature of a … Catalytic Converter to address the Gas emission.
What utter bollocks, like watching a communist propaganda film. Save yourself 44.52 minutes and go read up on nuclear power and vertical farming
Made by someone who never lived next door to a wind generator. The constant noise pollution from it is enough to drive a person insane.
We cannot continue to grow. Growth is the problem. Humans will need to go to plant based foods. Of course politics is no way to govern. Governance will have to based on the science, facts, and evidence. Capitalism will have to be replace by resource based economies. Having a money-less society will solve most of the social stratification issues.
We lost. China builds bridges and we build walls
Or just better ones maybe
IKR
Unfortunately our politicians only think 4 years ahead and any progress makes Albertans pissy.
Producing batteries is as much if not more polluting than fossil energy
....2/3 of energy will be renewable by 2050? That is 31 years away. Look at the advancements in just the last 10 years. As long as the storage problem is solved, wind and energy will be viable. Don't forget nuclear. Nuclear currently provides 20% of the US electrical supply. New nuclear technologies the size the power nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers could be distributed reducing the concentration of energy sources.
The middle part of the doc is all in Chinese. Make sure you have subtitles turned on.
Thankyou for a fascinating documentry, what amazed me was that I had not subscribed to the channel before something thankfully can rectify. Thanks again for the all the curators whose work this represents!!
Great video. Thanks for the upload. Unfortunately, reading the comments makes me lose hope in humanity again. How are we going to deal with so much stupidity.
I was under the impression that Kiwis were environmentally aware and open-minded, apparently not. If you think that your isolation will protect you from the effects of climate change, I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken.
Well, quite honestly, I'm happy it's working that way in China. Over a billion people living on less land mass than the US, imagine they were as back warded as the US, which is moving in snail speed because a huge part of the population wants to reinstate the 50ies.
IKR our politicians are one dimensional and short term thinkers
Whooo....Green Energy! I imagine a future where every man, woman and child on Earth has their very own Power Ring and Lantern, energized by the Pure Holy, Mystic Power of our Collective Will! "In Brightest Day! In Darkest Night! No Evil Shall Escape Our Sight!"
IF they seriously wanted to go green, they should have looked at gravity fed generators. Cheap, clean energy, could use to fuel a hydrogen based economy and could produce clean water where ever you have a source of dirty water. But no one wants it for 40 years.
in the future we all eat vegetables and drive gay electric cars what cant go further than mile fuck off
China is also building coal fired power plants.
A two minute search on Google would show how wrong this statement is. Over 250,000 people are currently employed in the US solar industry, and it is increasing rapidly. Although it is true that California has the greatest number of solar farms, other states such as Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Hawaii have all started building plants. Texas, which has the greatest potential for solar is, unfortunately, slow to take advantage due to resistance from the powerful fossil fuel lobby in that state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_States
If u don’t think about nuclear u don’t get what it is about, u don’t understand the system and u don’t understand numbers. Don’t go bla bla bla don’t feel good about some story try to deeply understand!!!
Go nuclear!
This is socialism at work. Only a shithead would believe man can change the earth’s climate
Thanks for letting everyone know... I faced the same issue :)
Ogre MGTOW with intermittent power sources energy storage is not a waste even if it’s inefficient. When you have more wind or sun energy than you can use at the time the energy is wasted if it is not stored.
+Nathan Lewis Pumped Hydro is a Net Waste of generation because it takes 3 times as much juice to pump water up as you get from the drop . We monitored one of those as well. Only used it for Temporary Peak Load conditions.
Ogre MGTOW I am aware you will need a LOT of batteries. Also other solutions like pumped hydro will also be needed in addition to demand management.
+Nathan Lewis I don't believe you understand the size of the problem. I use to help run the Eastern Interconnect in one of the Main Control Rooms . One power station I am am aware of generates 2400 Mega Watts of electricity every hour and there are several hundred generating stations I am aware of with a total generating capacity of around 3 million Mega Watts an hour. I hope you now see the sheer number of batteries you are going to need.
Juris Cervenaks You’re not making sense. You also seem to be completely unaware of the giant battery Tesla provided to Australia.
+Nathan Lewis Tesla batteries only hold energy for hours. It needs thousands of miles to provide storage for 24 hours, not even talking about week, month, or year. When scientists will make better batteries, then real breakthrough will come, and thorium energy, free energy, and other technologies will help.
Nathan Lewis yes, CNN reports China is known for their high standards on human rights and pollution. Let me guess, you are unemployed, up to your ears in debt, don't have two nickels to rub together, but support illegals crossing into the USA
David James Quit watching Fox news
Trump is a greedy person who only cares about himself. That's why he doesn't care about renewable energy. He doesn't care about our planet's future cause he knows he will be long dead. We need to change now.
Speed up China! We're counting on you! Our politicians are totally useless hahaha.
Innovation will continue in all countries, some might move slightly ahead but basically the world will move forward together.
Bullshit.
Do you grasp that oil builds landscape-wrecking industrial wind turbines and all the rest? Study the scale of the problem and you'll see that "renewables" are a net-energy farce, but rooftop solar is worth trying more of. https://www.google.com/search?&q=cubic+mile+of+oil
BS. Poor ordinary people s nightmare paying for Wealthy people s dream
To listen to these green energy experts fawn over China you'd think it was like the freest cleanest most virtuous country on the planent rather than the largest totaliterian polluter that it really is..
Solar is going to win.....read the bible
I Love this!
Nathan Lewis go support Joe Biden, because your support for Hillary Clinton failed. She would have made an excellent President. Afterall, look at how she helped the people of Haiti after the Hurricane. The Chinese are sneaky people who steal USA copyrights. What don't you get?
+Nathan Lewis You should conversely not be swayed by left wing green propagnda.
+Nathan Lewis Then you should know well enough to see China in realistic terms not with rose tinted glasses..
Garden City Btw who were you asking that to? I have traveled to several third world countries.
David James You were wrong. You need to escape from the grip the right wing propaganda machine has on on you.
Have you ever travelled to a 3rd world country?
possibly more decentralized. HHHAHHAHAH this is all a pipe dream. Folks it is over you cant grow your way out of what is about to happen! You cant cut, conserve, recycle your way to the future. Need proof if you live near a major city head on over to a highway in the morning. Watch, now imagine this goes on twice a day every day. Cut that? in 13 years there will be 9 Billion people conserve that! Man is done its over our species is about to go extinct!
How do you build windmill farms and solar plants without using fossil energy? Each plant must be renewed at least every 30 - 35 years.
Cheapest electric ever is upon us, a factor of ten drop in PV price in a decade and continuing on same trajectory.
Solar panels must be installed on every roof. It must be compulsory for every new building and for every renovation.
Garden City I would never want to live in China but there is no denying they have achieved a lot. Where do you think most things are made?
David James I hate the Clintons. You keep making ridiculous statements without any basis.
Garden City have you ever lived outside of America? Speaking as an American most Americans don’t even know what the left is.
+Stefan Marxmeier Osaka has 4 distinct seasons. Either way, that might be the case but the original point was that Tesla didn't have large-scale battery storage which is false.
getsnoopy5f Those aren’t grids those are islands with hardly any seasons Look I’m not against solar but you can’t rely on it without a massive fleet of EVs
+Stefan Marxmeier They're for both. You can see examples of this on Ta‘u and in Osaka
getsnoopy5f Those are grid stabilization not grid storage
+Nathan Lewis Have never lived in America. Is Bernie Sanders not left enough for you?
Nathan Lewis most things are made in China because of their lax environmental and human rights laws and policies. I for one am all about the practic of reuse, and utilizing what is already available, rather than throwing out, and manufacturing new. What i think here on youtube matters none, but there is no denying that the Chinese, and Indian populations grew too quickly, and neither their land, or the planet can sustain their growth. They permanently spoiled both their land, and their culture with their greedy ways. Like I said, these feel good documentaries change my mind none, as it is too late to change the ways of billions of people.
The US is in decline. Have you been on a 400 kph train in the US. I've been on one in China. They are leaps and bounds beyond the US.
Aren't you glossing over the fact that the earth can't sustain 7 billion people and capitalist growth. All of our resources are finite and we don't have a planet B to expand into. Not just energy. We have to learn to live with much less junk and a much smaller footprint.
green energy can create much bigger problems we don't know yet. you disrupt the nature with those wind turbines by killing birds and insects. they produce noise which cause problems and they are expensive too. and if sh*t really hits the fan for the global climate we need reliable energy to be able to survive. its not as simple as they want you to believe.
Economy is balanced system based on inventories.
China is "getting green" but they still wants that GDP goes up? What a nonsense. How stupid can you be?
Everyday we have to dump manufacturer garbage (make with cheaper materials) from China. Do they will come a recycle all that waste of energy and resources?
Humanity must live in accordance with the Earth can provide, that requires inventories, global planning and a culture based on nature values.
Solexx X Do you live in China?....if not, why not? Think maybe you should!
best solution for energy is to reduce birth rate , every day 360,000 baby is born
I don't want to be an American idiot. Since a tiny cabal of special interests (oil barons, health insurance peddlers, for profit education, etc) usurped control of our government and media, America has become ignorant and corrupt. These special interests are trying to seize as much money and power as they can, oil barons own our military, stage coups based on public deceptions, and make a grab for more oil and cash. We will not be leaders of anything, our country is poised for a devastating crash both economically and in the world of innovation, nobody in government cares because they're all too busy getting rich from the bribes they fully legalized via an appointed (by them) 'Supreme Court', more like Sleaze Court. Corruption is our end, farewell America, prepare for a bumpy ride!
I won't see any changes worth wild in the 30 years I have left to live.
This is just a long line of shallow arguments, for stupid ideas, that uninformed people want to hear. Ofcourse people like it. Liberal/Socialist bubble alert.
Earth Recovery is within reach, my solution to climate change, fuel and food security for everyone on Earth for the next 1000 years. @t @t
The US don't want any of these innovations, they need to keep the killer petrol dollar alive,
Big talk by small boys, all dreams, the world will still be a shit hole next year, the year after, the year after that how many years have we had this technology for now already
Freight trains, freight ships, airplanes and large trucks are not being transitioned to renewables. Our entire transportation system relies on fossil fuels. That will not change. All the cars in the world may transition to batteries. Those batteries will be charged by burning fossil fuels.
Yes probably stave us all I expect and for why
It is so "funny" that Exxon and other in Texas use wind energie for their refineries and boring rigs. Because it is cheaper..
You can think about you're children or other younger family members and the generations after that.
In Western Europe and other first world countries we already have a negative birth rate. That is all thanks to good education, affordable healthcare(USA does not participate here) etc. That is how the world population will stop to grow. And vaccinate! Because of all that children will have a 96% chance of living into adulthood.
How many insects/birds are getting killed by cars-Buildings-farming- cats.. etc? hundred times more. Other researchers claim they see no increase in death's of birds near wind turbines. And have you seen the new more silent wind turbines? Yes if you are directly near them you will hear them but if you are half a km away you don't hear them. And no they don't cause cancer/autism or whatever it was Trump claims. And no, you can build quite a few of those for one coal plant. The price of the energie they produce is also cheaper. That is why Exxon and others use wind energie in Texas to power their refineries.
+mgammeren Trump panders for votes in Apalachia whilst coal steadily declines. Why kill a dying goose when you can act it's benefactor for gain?
Partly right. In Shenzen they have absurd amounts of electric busses around. They do want to change but it costs time meanwhile USA under Trump digs for "clean coal" except some states that ignore the White House on that regard.
+Praque Forqsk So what is perversion? If you aren't in thé relationship between agreeing adults just shut it and look away. Of don't you see how much thé hetero agenda is being Portrait all those years
+mgammeren Equality and rights? I have little problem with that. Perversion no.
+Praque Forqsk so equality and rights is a bad thing? I see many People that fear that the rising of Nazi sympathie and denying of other things like climate change are the biggest reasons. And many other things. Bit liberal is one of the least. Trump and his administration are a reason.
+mgammeren Probably yes. Many people I deal with now feel that liberalism is destroying the world. LGBTQ being a good example.
+Praque Forqsk just thé same as in thé US.
+mgammeren Whoops. Suicide is high out there and always has been. As I said European liberals. Roll on Brexit.
No real vallues?! one of the happiest people in the world. One of the best education systems etc etc. On every positive ranking they are much higher up the list than the USA. Except for gang violence and yes rape. But if you look into how that comes it makes total sense because they have a climate where woman can and will go to the police. And every case is a case not a "gangtape" but every person involved is also registered not as "the gang". Europe is on many fronts more open minded, positive than the USA. You may want to look out for the car industrie you have you may fall very much behind on China too.
+Garden City He is what we in Europe call centre left. Or put it this way, he wants America to take a few steps and get on the same line Western Europe is. Is that a bad thing? Paid vacation, good affordable healthcare for everyone etc...But that has nothing to do with climate change. China is the industrie of the world. And yes they do some bad stuff but also good stuff. Look at Shenzen for example. They know they have to get the air pollution back so electric transport is a must. Meanwhile Trump advocates "clean coal" which does NOT exist.
I'm planning to build a small apartment building and I want it to be net positive energy (generate more energy than it uses) and make it as sustainable as possible. These videos have given me some good ideas. I want it to be 100% electric, no gas.
First of all, trains outside the US are almost entirely powered by overhead powerlines. Second of all, ships ARE transitioning to cleaner fuels: natural gas. Thirdly, all new semi trucks will be BEVs by about 2040 just because of the massive cost savings. Fourthly, 1/3 of US power is ultra low emissions (nuclear + renewables) and 1/3 is natural gas. ~28% coal, which is as clean as burning oil in an efficient engine. Finally, self-driving cars will kill regional flights. Who will fly when you can call up a nice RV or SUV and ride destination to destination in less or about the same amount of time? Short range planes are going electric and Airbus even believes they can have a BEV or PHEV plan for regional flights within 30 years. We could use natural gas or ethanol in planes, but oil is too cheap at the moment.
The EROI on these sources is very high, so even when produced from coal power, they reduce emissions by a massive amount. You can then use these source to power the factors as well.
Sorry clean energy does not exist.....Solar Panels -made with parts from oil-made with electricity from oil,Gas and Nuclear. Wind Turbines-Parts made from oil and some hazardous materials-Requires oil to lubricate moving parts-Uses electricity from oil,coal,gas and Nuclear to make the whole thing. Distribution Power lines-made at steel mills burning coal and iron ore together-Takes Large trucks and cranes to move and to put in place burning tons of fuel-requires helicopters to do maintenance Show me a green source of energy that does not require oil or gas or Nuclear to,dig up ores and materials,manufacturer said materials,install said products and dispose of when worn out- GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.....(even bio-fuel needs it to be made)
even though they just finished building 40 coal powered plants?
CMES Green Power
Guess what America is in irreversible decline - It has lost its pole position - Perhaps its about time, this planet is not about one country and ITS interests anymore - Its about ALL of us and the interests of All earths inhabitants human, animal and environment alike as a whole. Though I also believe there is a new energy type just around the corner - all we have to do to get to it is STOP the wars and reign in the nutty leaders and belief systems of those who dictate and advocate dissent of old conflicts
Lol the corporations don't want decentralization. They hate losing control and power. Don't expect to be allowed to own your own electricity supply independent of 'the grid'.
control and power.. true.
All these solar projects and the cost isn't coming down? Shouldn't it get cheaper? More options means less scarcity - even the OIL should be losing value - it's fixed.
only two solar roofs in my town, 60 miles from Mexico in Arizona...... and the coal plant doesn't own any solar to speak of... their newsletter poo-poo'd solar.
Or, you know, nuclear energy, in which case we can continue on as usual....
If something works, you don't HAVE to make it compulsory. If you HAVE to make it compulsory, it probably does not work.
+Alexander Kale and in some way the reason the Chinese Government has wanted to filter content is somewhat related to now what Europe and the USA is thinking of doing to fight fake news, it's how supposedly foreign and internal interests have somewhat corrupted the Trump presidential election and also Brexit. Basically China kind of anticipated that over a decade ago. So perhaps they'd want some kind of control over what they determine to be "fake news filters" and whatnot when the Chinese version of YouTube hopefully becomes available. But I think what matters by far the most is for the Chinese people to have access to 99% of YouTube like this video here for example and millions of other awesome videos on YouTube that enlighten people, and China does want its people to have the maximum levels of education, China wants its companies to have the maximum access to communicate their information to export their products better worldwide. Chinese companies need access to advertise on YouTube. Without YouTube, China is very disadvantaged as I think YouTube is the most important feature of the Internet. In terms of losing out on revenue, I think China can tax YouTube's profits in China accordingly and I am sure Google will go with it. If the Googlers are still too anti-Chinese (most of the Googlers who complain about China have never even visited China), then hopefully there will be some political pressure to encourage Google to bring a Chinese version of YouTube to China. Google may not like giving China filtering access to the Chinese version of YouTube, because then all other countries will be asking to have the same tool, perhaps Google can just say sorry, this is only for China. Or perhaps this is only for countries that have at least 1 Billion inhabitants perhaps Google can provide it for India too. But nobody else. If Turkey or Saudi Arabia wants to filter stuff they won't be able to.
+Alexander Kale again, the US spy agencies NSA and CIA are spying on everybody through Facebook/Google/Twitter/Amazon and etc. why should China let their people get spied on by the USA? I do think though they have to find some kind of compromise with YouTube, just make it so Chinese users don't need to setup a Gmail account to comment on YouTube, but let them comment on YouTube using Wechat or something like that, and thus have a special version of YouTube open to all of China, I think it must be possible. They can demand wechat/alipay-verified users only can upload new videos to YouTube from China but that everybody can access and watch every video there without even needing an account. China shouldn't worry too much they have their own strong web video competitors also and a bit of healthy competition from YouTube would be good for them. If China blocks a few videos about the Tiananmen square or some other stuff like that nobody cares about that. I think the Chinese people and companies have much more to gain from accessing YouTube than the Chinese Government has to lose. Nobody in China actually wants a political uprising, what they want and have hunger for is more access to the amazing information that is available on YouTube. Facebook/Twitter/Instagram are dumpsters that bring no benefit to society so I am fine with China continuing to block those.
+CharbaxWell, if it isn't the SCS that is being implemented, something else is. You can look up opinions of chinese people about how the system HAS treated them, alongside the concerns and happy thoughts of chinese citizens about what it will be and should be like. again, the travel ban HAS happened. I find the notion that "China doesn't do it to spy on people" rather confusing. Well no, you don't spy on people "just because", you do it because you have an agenda. But they ARE spying on people and i just cannot see China's agenda to be a beneficial one. If you believe Facebook et al are bad, how can you possibly believe that the communistic party will be good?
+Alexander Kale that social credit system is not yet implemented. What you are talking about is just what's being presented in some western documentary coverage. That Chinese smart city system will just be monetary fines for bad behavior which is perfectly fine. With 1.3 Billion people, China has huge environmental, air quality, water, waste water, trash problems, those can only be solved by this smart security camera system. Otherwise people will continue to spit and shit in the streets, people will continue to dump trash in the rivers, people will continue to drive into cities with nasty polluting cars that pollute the air unbearably. It is not 1984. China does not monitor YouTube, they just ban every American social network (which I don't think is good, especially I hope Trump convinces China to un-block YouTube in China, facebook/twitter/instagram I don't care about) but China doesn't do that to spy on its people, China does it to not let the USA spy on the Chinese people. 1984 is already implemented inside of facebook, twitter, instagram, gmail, google, amazon, you can see by the Snowden leaks that the US Government is spying constantly on everybody who uses those services, they spy also on every European citizen and the European politicians turn a blind eye to that industrial US spying.
+Charbax the social credit system is at its heart a system build on pawlow's effect. Every action you take has an immediate effect, and you try to avoid negative effects. Presto, the state has just introduced a system not to educate, but to "educate" people. And yes, this IS 1984. The system does not stop at fines, it penalizes you, among other things, by denying you access to both private and public services. Already, people have been barred from buying plane tickets. It also penalizes the people around you by the way. If your son trash talks on youtube, that is now on you and you get the fine. The system as it is today ALREADY is every political officer's wet dream. Also, ignoring the absolute information gathering and absence of privacy this requires, if this is the way you would WANT to police 1.3 billion people, I should probably stop talking to you for fear of someone sending a hitsquad towards my house for disagreeing. If you want to live in a society of humans? Then I am sorry, but you will have to accept that humans have free will and must be allowed to make their own decisions, not just follow state approved guide lines.
+Alexander Kale I don't think it'll be to do with any credit system, it'll just be fines, they will automatically fine you if you throw trash in the street, they will automatically fine you if you drive your car without following driving regulations, they will fine you if you push or jump the queue when getting into public transport, stuff like that. Nothing wrong with a little monetary fine to keep people orderly. This is not 1984. How else would you suggest to manage 1.3 Billion people? Especially for what's to do with the environment, China needs to ramp up and accelerate their adoption of advanced facial recognition, car number plate recognition, and for absolute sure the Chinese people need to be taught decent manners, don't push other people, don't jump the queue, don't drive like a maniac, pay more and more expensive fees if you want to drive into city centers in traffic, don't throw trash in the streets, don't urinate or poo in the streets (not even for small children), pick up your dog poo, don't spit in the street, etc etc etc. China absolutely must hurry up and get Huawei and others to develop the smart city cameras and systems to manage all the people in the cities like that. Not micromanage, not hire 10 million more police to become a police state, just get people to pay a small fine if they behave in an anti-social way. They can automatically send them the video proof too to their wechat account with the $5 fine, the user can have a little laugh and feel a little humiliated and never do that nasty anti-social thing again most probably.
+Charbax The problem I have with the social credit system is that iit is exclusively top down. This is not china organizing itself. this is china being organized by a totalitarian ruling class. 1984 was not meant as an instruction manual. To be fair, the west is headed the same way. china is just getting there faster.
+Alexander Kale I do not know if it's a good idea Xi can remain chairman for life, probably not a good idea especially if he becomes old and stupid, old people sometimes become quite stupid. That thing you mentioned their point system, I think it's easy for the west to overreact about that. I think it's crucial also for the environmental impact of the Chinese people, that they rapidly sort through and organize their society using all kinds of systems to best manage population and resources, using cameras and face recognition to automate all that does not have to be an evil thing that hurts the people. Of course they must make sure not too many people are in the same place, they must try to distribute the resources fairly although they don't have communism for that, China is very capitalistic. In fact, I think you can call it the Chinese dream, every Chinese dreams to become a millionaire, and if you're a millionaire you can buy nice things, expensive cars, expensive housing and also importantly you can afford to travel around the world. China has over 20 million USD millionaires, every year you see a rapid growth in Chinese people who can afford to travel around the world, they buy more and more luxury goods, if you go around some parts of China like Shenzhen you might never have seen as many luxurious cars like Teslas and Porsches and Ferraris all over the place. I haven't seen the research on social mobility of the Chinese people vs the people in the USA, but who knows, perhaps the Chinese people have an even fairer and better chance to move up from poor to rich than the average poor person in the USA having a chance to move up. Healthcare, education and general living costs in the USA are so expensive that poor people stay poor and have a very small chance to move up to become rich. So the Chinese dream may be stronger than the American dream. But more importantly than few people getting rich, the most important is the growth of the middle class, and for that also I think China's growth of their middle class beats anything you might see in the USA or in Europe. That middle class growth is why it's very urgent for China to be on the forefront of using advanced Technology for City planning, they need Self-driving cars much more urgently than in the USA, they need car pooling apps much more urgently than in the USA, yes they need security cameras everywhere and fair rules as to prevent people from jumping the queue, prevent people from throwing trash everywhere in the streets, prevent people from ilegally burning garbage, etc etc. Now I don't think it's a good thing to jail people and for sure China I think I've heard has way too many people in jails and their death penalty is horrible, but the USA beats all records in terms of incarceration rates and the death penalty in the USA is also totally inhumane.
+Charbax The chinese system works for the common man - as long as the common man does not stand in the way of what the government wants. Once he does, he will have no choice other than to obey and to get with the program, or be bulldozed over. I do not claim to understand the electoral college (I believe that is what is called?) of the USA, but having done the math once with my limited understanding, I believe it is possible - in theory - to become President with little more than a quarter of total votes in your favor. So I would agree, that model is probably a bust. But when I compare this with china, where elections among party members routinely churn out results in excess of 99 percent, I would be very, very careful calling ANYONE else undemocratic. The chinese constitution (again, I would be very grateful if you didnt nail me to the wall for using incorrect terminology) instituted a term limit for head of state specifically to prevent the rise of another Mao Zedong. This has now been changed again, the retoric sounded depressingly similar.
+Alexander Kale don't worry I am not a gongho communist who hates democracy. But the truth is Europe and USA has very very inefficient and very undemocratic democracy. For example Hillary Clinton had 3 million more votes than Trump, why is Trump the president and how is that democratic? Same thing for Al Gore he had 1 million more votes than George Bush. In Europe, Democracy is quite hopeless, less than 30% of people even show up to vote at the upcoming European elections, most Europeans have no clue what the EU even does for them. The "western" democracies don't protect the comon man, their total ineficiencies protect the huge corporations who profit from chaos and the status quo. By no means is China perfect, for sure not. The worst is their polluted air, and their lack of a universal healthcare system, I think their education system is lacking too. But considering it's 1.3 Billion people, and they've managed to grow by something like 6% average each year over the past 30+ years or so, I don't know if any western style democracy would have done it any better for the Chinese people. Imagine an idiot like George Bush or Donald Trump in charge in China, oh the horror! Even a relatively "good" and smart guy like Obama, for 6 of the 8 years he was president he had congress totally against him, a total political paralisis he couldn't decide and do anything! The tiny renewable subsidies Obama instaured are nothing compared with the potential massive green energy changes China can get done within a year or two if only just Chairman Xi decides it has to get done. Nobody can or want to question him, they just get it done at record speed. I also don't think he'd decide something hastly without having had an army of China's top scientists and experts analyse all the consequences and benefits of implementing the decision beforehand.
+Charbax The reason china can do whatever the government decides is because there are no checks and balances on the government. Whenever a chinese person complains about western countries being slow and inefficient, they are basically complaining that those systems - that exist for the protection of the common man - work. Tell me, if you have kept up to date on china, what are your opinions on the "Social Credit System"? I don't need to tell you anymore what those opinions are. They are right in the open, and the sanctions are too.
+Alexander Kale I've lived in China and I've been in China a lot over the past 14 years, what politically incorrect opinion do you want to have there? The priority for China I think is they need to throw out all petrol cars and use exclusively electric cars instead. And also of course use renewable exclusively instead of coal power. Hopefully they're moving fast enough that way. One thing's for sure, if their president decides so, they will do the ecological transition much faster than we might do in Europe or in the USA. And by doing that faster they will also dominate clean tech which they can thus export globally.
Try living in china for a time, having a politically incorrect opinion. You will beg those "useless politicians" to allow you to come back home.
Nathan: the Tesla battery in Adelaide only provides enough electricity to power the grid while switching over to the gas powered electricity generators. A few minutes of the grid consumption. It's still impressive technology, but not powering the grid for hours.
Matthew Taylor the Wikipedia article on the Hornsdale battery mostly backs up your claim but it also says it’s contractually obliged to produce 30MW for 3 hours so it depends on the size of your grid :-)
The idea is not a bad one . Human nature is to use the known until we have to change . 100 years from now that generation will thank you for your innovations . America is doing everything to stay with oil because they have a noose around the necks of many nations and this serves their interests. This will change the dynamics of the world. Nations can be free to be more innovative once they are free.
Nathan. Thanks for the correction 100MW/129MWh https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Wind_Farm Cost approx $50M There is conflicting information about which is cheaper. I found several solar industry sources claiming total installed cost for solar|wind + batteries was cheaper than coal|gas. Will dig into this later. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=487&t=3 https://theconversation.com/new-coal-doesnt-stack-up-just-look-at-queenslands-renewable-energy-numbers-98707 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source
Today I filled up with regular gas for $2.28 per gallon in my Cadillac Escalade in Chattanooga TN. It is not a sustainable model but a lot of energy and material went into the production of this Cadillac so I might as well put another 100,000 miles on it. Hopefully in 5 years, 3D manufacturing techniques will allow full size SUV's demanded by affluent American consumers to be manufactured stronger but lighter, more efficient powered by CNG or better yet hyrogen fuel cells. The success of green energy will be fulfilled when we all live like kings and queens served by robots performing the undersirable tasks of life. Floating cities of continental scale built on the ocean in temperate zones. The possibilities are endless.
Plant based foods yes but unprocessed. I am a vegetarian, sometimes vegan, since 1986. Processed plant based foods are as hopeful to your health or more than animal based foods. I am excited about prospects for factory scale high intensity hydroponic vegetable production in cities close to the consumers.
this could be a good show, however, how can you narrate in English and then present people speaking foreign languages and not translate it. Sorry, you get like 2 stars only.
mega citiess are encouraged...i haven't even had a close neighbor for 30 yrs... scary to have China's blueprint for the future .. ours...
And still ... there are videos on youtube claiming Europe doesn't have any technology.
MsLia32 I can’t help wanting to know about things.
Garden City I don’t think you a aware of what a right wing brainwashing factory America is. But you can see it by looking how convinced people are that they must be allowed to carry assault rifles to visit the grocery store. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is far better than Bernie IMO. Bernie supports gun ownership and has at times been supported by the NRA.
+Nathan Lewis Does it really matter? After watching this documentary it is so clear that America is wilfully staying behind. Do you really want to know things you as an indvidual have no say over anyways.
Nothing new hear....just more deception an fluff
This documentary makes me wish I was going to be around to see this! It also makes me wish that I was half as smart as any of the presenters.
Standard economics. There is now more demand for solar generation and the production of panels is just keeping pace. Oil price is being manipulated by restricting production so that the price remains constant.
@Alexander Kale Building codes are minimums and these minimums change all the time. Insulation and electrical systems were at one point not included. Newer minimums in some communities are desired by the community but may not be desired in other communities. If you live in a more affluent neighborhood they may be included. I live in a community that has architectural controls for roofing styles, trees etc. Different standards for different folks. If you don't like the standards, then don't live there - it literally "comes with the neighborhood".
@Stephen Louie Building codes exist to prevent builders from skimping. The logic is still there and still works, but the aim is on the opposite side. And again, if you have to force something that is supposedly working to your benefit - then it probably isn't...
"Building codes" is just another term for compulsory, and some municipalities are adding it to their building codes. Recent additions include a high voltage/amperage circuit for charging EVs.
@Garden City Oh, thought we were talking about the US and Trump.
@Stephen Louie Who is ignoring? We spent billions here in Ontario for wind and solar that still produce almost no energy while nuclear maintains our base load with the rest made up by hydro, Niagara Falls, and gas... Of course a mix of energies but stick with what you know and move cautiously not like green enrgy has been handled here..
@Garden City There is no single type of energy generation that will be sufficient. In the end, there will be a mix of generation types depending on available resources, political will, and geopolitical circumstance. Ignoring a technology while a rival country is making advances in that area is probably not the wisest thing to do.
@Stephen Louie Coal will die on it's without government intervention to kill it.. Nat gas is far cleaner, more efficient and abundant. Green energy is mostly a scam unable to support "base load" and survive without vast maounts of tax dollars..
@Garden City Yep, short term gain for long term pain - that's Trump for ya, only looks out for himself and does not realize what is happening in the rest of the world.
@mgammeren Trump panders for votes in Apalachia whilst coal steadily declines. Why kill a dying goose when you can act it's benefactor for gain?
@Alexander Kale and in some way the reason the Chinese Government has wanted to filter content is somewhat related to now what Europe and the USA is thinking of doing to fight fake news, it's how supposedly foreign and internal interests have somewhat corrupted the Trump presidential election and also Brexit. Basically China kind of anticipated that over a decade ago. So perhaps they'd want some kind of control over what they determine to be "fake news filters" and whatnot when the Chinese version of YouTube hopefully becomes available. But I think what matters by far the most is for the Chinese people to have access to 99% of YouTube like this video here for example and millions of other awesome videos on YouTube that enlighten people, and China does want its people to have the maximum levels of education, China wants its companies to have the maximum access to communicate their information to export their products better worldwide. Chinese companies need access to advertise on YouTube. Without YouTube, China is very disadvantaged as I think YouTube is the most important feature of the Internet. In terms of losing out on revenue, I think China can tax YouTube's profits in China accordingly and I am sure Google will go with it. If the Googlers are still too anti-Chinese (most of the Googlers who complain about China have never even visited China), then hopefully there will be some political pressure to encourage Google to bring a Chinese version of YouTube to China. Google may not like giving China filtering access to the Chinese version of YouTube, because then all other countries will be asking to have the same tool, perhaps Google can just say sorry, this is only for China. Or perhaps this is only for countries that have at least 1 Billion inhabitants perhaps Google can provide it for India too. But nobody else. If Turkey or Saudi Arabia wants to filter stuff they won't be able to.
@Alexander Kale again, the US spy agencies NSA and CIA are spying on everybody through Facebook/Google/Twitter/Amazon and etc. why should China let their people get spied on by the USA? I do think though they have to find some kind of compromise with YouTube, just make it so Chinese users don't need to setup a Gmail account to comment on YouTube, but let them comment on YouTube using Wechat or something like that, and thus have a special version of YouTube open to all of China, I think it must be possible. They can demand wechat/alipay-verified users only can upload new videos to YouTube from China but that everybody can access and watch every video there without even needing an account. China shouldn't worry too much they have their own strong web video competitors also and a bit of healthy competition from YouTube would be good for them. If China blocks a few videos about the Tiananmen square or some other stuff like that nobody cares about that. I think the Chinese people and companies have much more to gain from accessing YouTube than the Chinese Government has to lose. Nobody in China actually wants a political uprising, what they want and have hunger for is more access to the amazing information that is available on YouTube. Facebook/Twitter/Instagram are dumpsters that bring no benefit to society so I am fine with China continuing to block those.
@CharbaxWell, if it isn't the SCS that is being implemented, something else is. You can look up opinions of chinese people about how the system HAS treated them, alongside the concerns and happy thoughts of chinese citizens about what it will be and should be like. again, the travel ban HAS happened. I find the notion that "China doesn't do it to spy on people" rather confusing. Well no, you don't spy on people "just because", you do it because you have an agenda. But they ARE spying on people and i just cannot see China's agenda to be a beneficial one. If you believe Facebook et al are bad, how can you possibly believe that the communistic party will be good?
@Alexander Kale that social credit system is not yet implemented. What you are talking about is just what's being presented in some western documentary coverage. That Chinese smart city system will just be monetary fines for bad behavior which is perfectly fine. With 1.3 Billion people, China has huge environmental, air quality, water, waste water, trash problems, those can only be solved by this smart security camera system. Otherwise people will continue to spit and shit in the streets, people will continue to dump trash in the rivers, people will continue to drive into cities with nasty polluting cars that pollute the air unbearably. It is not 1984. China does not monitor YouTube, they just ban every American social network (which I don't think is good, especially I hope Trump convinces China to un-block YouTube in China, facebook/twitter/instagram I don't care about) but China doesn't do that to spy on its people, China does it to not let the USA spy on the Chinese people. 1984 is already implemented inside of facebook, twitter, instagram, gmail, google, amazon, you can see by the Snowden leaks that the US Government is spying constantly on everybody who uses those services, they spy also on every European citizen and the European politicians turn a blind eye to that industrial US spying.
@Charbax the social credit system is at its heart a system build on pawlow's effect. Every action you take has an immediate effect, and you try to avoid negative effects. Presto, the state has just introduced a system not to educate, but to "educate" people. And yes, this IS 1984. The system does not stop at fines, it penalizes you, among other things, by denying you access to both private and public services. Already, people have been barred from buying plane tickets. It also penalizes the people around you by the way. If your son trash talks on youtube, that is now on you and you get the fine. The system as it is today ALREADY is every political officer's wet dream. Also, ignoring the absolute information gathering and absence of privacy this requires, if this is the way you would WANT to police 1.3 billion people, I should probably stop talking to you for fear of someone sending a hitsquad towards my house for disagreeing. If you want to live in a society of humans? Then I am sorry, but you will have to accept that humans have free will and must be allowed to make their own decisions, not just follow state approved guide lines.
@Alexander Kale I don't think it'll be to do with any credit system, it'll just be fines, they will automatically fine you if you throw trash in the street, they will automatically fine you if you drive your car without following driving regulations, they will fine you if you push or jump the queue when getting into public transport, stuff like that. Nothing wrong with a little monetary fine to keep people orderly. This is not 1984. How else would you suggest to manage 1.3 Billion people? Especially for what's to do with the environment, China needs to ramp up and accelerate their adoption of advanced facial recognition, car number plate recognition, and for absolute sure the Chinese people need to be taught decent manners, don't push other people, don't jump the queue, don't drive like a maniac, pay more and more expensive fees if you want to drive into city centers in traffic, don't throw trash in the streets, don't urinate or poo in the streets (not even for small children), pick up your dog poo, don't spit in the street, etc etc etc. China absolutely must hurry up and get Huawei and others to develop the smart city cameras and systems to manage all the people in the cities like that. Not micromanage, not hire 10 million more police to become a police state, just get people to pay a small fine if they behave in an anti-social way. They can automatically send them the video proof too to their wechat account with the $5 fine, the user can have a little laugh and feel a little humiliated and never do that nasty anti-social thing again most probably.
@Charbax The problem I have with the social credit system is that iit is exclusively top down. This is not china organizing itself. this is china being organized by a totalitarian ruling class. 1984 was not meant as an instruction manual. To be fair, the west is headed the same way. china is just getting there faster.
@Alexander Kale I do not know if it's a good idea Xi can remain chairman for life, probably not a good idea especially if he becomes old and stupid, old people sometimes become quite stupid. That thing you mentioned their point system, I think it's easy for the west to overreact about that. I think it's crucial also for the environmental impact of the Chinese people, that they rapidly sort through and organize their society using all kinds of systems to best manage population and resources, using cameras and face recognition to automate all that does not have to be an evil thing that hurts the people. Of course they must make sure not too many people are in the same place, they must try to distribute the resources fairly although they don't have communism for that, China is very capitalistic. In fact, I think you can call it the Chinese dream, every Chinese dreams to become a millionaire, and if you're a millionaire you can buy nice things, expensive cars, expensive housing and also importantly you can afford to travel around the world. China has over 20 million USD millionaires, every year you see a rapid growth in Chinese people who can afford to travel around the world, they buy more and more luxury goods, if you go around some parts of China like Shenzhen you might never have seen as many luxurious cars like Teslas and Porsches and Ferraris all over the place. I haven't seen the research on social mobility of the Chinese people vs the people in the USA, but who knows, perhaps the Chinese people have an even fairer and better chance to move up from poor to rich than the average poor person in the USA having a chance to move up. Healthcare, education and general living costs in the USA are so expensive that poor people stay poor and have a very small chance to move up to become rich. So the Chinese dream may be stronger than the American dream. But more importantly than few people getting rich, the most important is the growth of the middle class, and for that also I think China's growth of their middle class beats anything you might see in the USA or in Europe. That middle class growth is why it's very urgent for China to be on the forefront of using advanced Technology for City planning, they need Self-driving cars much more urgently than in the USA, they need car pooling apps much more urgently than in the USA, yes they need security cameras everywhere and fair rules as to prevent people from jumping the queue, prevent people from throwing trash everywhere in the streets, prevent people from ilegally burning garbage, etc etc. Now I don't think it's a good thing to jail people and for sure China I think I've heard has way too many people in jails and their death penalty is horrible, but the USA beats all records in terms of incarceration rates and the death penalty in the USA is also totally inhumane.
@Charbax The chinese system works for the common man - as long as the common man does not stand in the way of what the government wants. Once he does, he will have no choice other than to obey and to get with the program, or be bulldozed over. I do not claim to understand the electoral college (I believe that is what is called?) of the USA, but having done the math once with my limited understanding, I believe it is possible - in theory - to become President with little more than a quarter of total votes in your favor. So I would agree, that model is probably a bust. But when I compare this with china, where elections among party members routinely churn out results in excess of 99 percent, I would be very, very careful calling ANYONE else undemocratic. The chinese constitution (again, I would be very grateful if you didnt nail me to the wall for using incorrect terminology) instituted a term limit for head of state specifically to prevent the rise of another Mao Zedong. This has now been changed again, the retoric sounded depressingly similar.
@Alexander Kale don't worry I am not a gongho communist who hates democracy. But the truth is Europe and USA has very very inefficient and very undemocratic democracy. For example Hillary Clinton had 3 million more votes than Trump, why is Trump the president and how is that democratic? Same thing for Al Gore he had 1 million more votes than George Bush. In Europe, Democracy is quite hopeless, less than 30% of people even show up to vote at the upcoming European elections, most Europeans have no clue what the EU even does for them. The "western" democracies don't protect the comon man, their total ineficiencies protect the huge corporations who profit from chaos and the status quo. By no means is China perfect, for sure not. The worst is their polluted air, and their lack of a universal healthcare system, I think their education system is lacking too. But considering it's 1.3 Billion people, and they've managed to grow by something like 6% average each year over the past 30+ years or so, I don't know if any western style democracy would have done it any better for the Chinese people. Imagine an idiot like George Bush or Donald Trump in charge in China, oh the horror! Even a relatively "good" and smart guy like Obama, for 6 of the 8 years he was president he had congress totally against him, a total political paralisis he couldn't decide and do anything! The tiny renewable subsidies Obama instaured are nothing compared with the potential massive green energy changes China can get done within a year or two if only just Chairman Xi decides it has to get done. Nobody can or want to question him, they just get it done at record speed. I also don't think he'd decide something hastly without having had an army of China's top scientists and experts analyse all the consequences and benefits of implementing the decision beforehand.
@Charbax The reason china can do whatever the government decides is because there are no checks and balances on the government. Whenever a chinese person complains about western countries being slow and inefficient, they are basically complaining that those systems - that exist for the protection of the common man - work. Tell me, if you have kept up to date on china, what are your opinions on the "Social Credit System"? I don't need to tell you anymore what those opinions are. They are right in the open, and the sanctions are too.
@Alexander Kale I've lived in China and I've been in China a lot over the past 14 years, what politically incorrect opinion do you want to have there? The priority for China I think is they need to throw out all petrol cars and use exclusively electric cars instead. And also of course use renewable exclusively instead of coal power. Hopefully they're moving fast enough that way. One thing's for sure, if their president decides so, they will do the ecological transition much faster than we might do in Europe or in the USA. And by doing that faster they will also dominate clean tech which they can thus export globally.
@Praque Forqsk So what is perversion? If you aren't in thé relationship between agreeing adults just shut it and look away. Of don't you see how much thé hetero agenda is being Portrait all those years
@mgammeren Equality and rights? I have little problem with that. Perversion no.
@Praque Forqsk so equality and rights is a bad thing? I see many People that fear that the rising of Nazi sympathie and denying of other things like climate change are the biggest reasons. And many other things. Bit liberal is one of the least. Trump and his administration are a reason.
@mgammeren Probably yes. Many people I deal with now feel that liberalism is destroying the world. LGBTQ being a good example.
@Praque Forqsk just thé same as in thé US.
@mgammeren Whoops. Suicide is high out there and always has been. As I said European liberals. Roll on Brexit.
@Nathan Lewis Pumped Hydro is a Net Waste of generation because it takes 3 times as much juice to pump water up as you get from the drop . We monitored one of those as well. Only used it for Temporary Peak Load conditions.
@Nathan Lewis I don't believe you understand the size of the problem. I use to help run the Eastern Interconnect in one of the Main Control Rooms . One power station I am am aware of generates 2400 Mega Watts of electricity every hour and there are several hundred generating stations I am aware of with a total generating capacity of around 3 million Mega Watts an hour. I hope you now see the sheer number of batteries you are going to need.
@Nathan Lewis Tesla batteries only hold energy for hours. It needs thousands of miles to provide storage for 24 hours, not even talking about week, month, or year. When scientists will make better batteries, then real breakthrough will come, and thorium energy, free energy, and other technologies will help.
@Nathan Lewis Does it really matter? After watching this documentary it is so clear that America is wilfully staying behind. Do you really want to know things you as an indvidual have no say over anyways.
@Garden City He is what we in Europe call centre left. Or put it this way, he wants America to take a few steps and get on the same line Western Europe is. Is that a bad thing? Paid vacation, good affordable healthcare for everyone etc...But that has nothing to do with climate change. China is the industrie of the world. And yes they do some bad stuff but also good stuff. Look at Shenzen for example. They know they have to get the air pollution back so electric transport is a must. Meanwhile Trump advocates "clean coal" which does NOT exist.
@Nathan Lewis Have never lived in America. Is Bernie Sanders not left enough for you?
@Nathan Lewis You should conversely not be swayed by left wing green propagnda.
@Nathan Lewis Then you should know well enough to see China in realistic terms not with rose tinted glasses..
Well you did watch this "time waster" so your ad revenues contributed to their monetization.
Canadians and recent provincial governments don't like the carbon tax, but they have yet to propose anything else to incentivize the transition to renewable energy. Most politicians don't have answers, since they do not have the training in energy or economic policies. Progressive politicians try too hard and often steer into unproven areas and waste time and money. Conservative politicians don't want to try anything, and consequently don't have any useful ideas other than staying the course. No one has a decent plan and politicians pander to current pain points and not future pain points.
@Hit Reset Button As we move to an environmentally friendly world we need to ask questions. I pointed to one example of something being sold as green when it requires non-renewable energy and non-renewable resources.
@Dennis Cambly soooo what did you say? Your comment sure looked like a status quo stance on fossil fuel usage. Oh and by the way...fossil fuels cost huge dollars to get from the mine to the polluting power plant to ultimately your electrical appliance...spare a thought here thanks.
@Hit Reset Button I did not say so
@Hit Reset Button your renewables always need natural gas backup and I actually dream of a world of energy richness not energy poverty... have you seen the state Germany is in because they doubled down on renewables? Compare them to France who have plenty of nuclear Edit... that being said, nuclear only makes sense for cities etc and renewables will have their place where the energy needs are less and storage solutions are adequate in a small decentralised grids out in the sticks as it were
@Greg White LOL Of course you don't. LOL
@first Impression Yeah, I'm one of those people who don't live in fairy land powered by unicorn farts. You'll figure it out one day, good luck to you.
@Greg White Oh, now I got it. Why didn't you say you are one of these people before ? Now I feel stupid trying to have a normal conversation with you. LOL.
@first Impression Solar was too expensive 10 years ago and it's too expensive today and it will be too expensive in 10 more years. It's simple, solar is a very low density, intermittent source of energy that will never replace fossil fuels, regardless of technology breakthroughs. In Germany, the capacity factor for solar is 10%, how could they possibly run their country on that. If you are interested in the future of global energy, look up molten salt reactors, lots of information available.
@Greg White LOL you are so funny. Did you invent this terminology yourself ? That battery was made as big as needed. The goal was to help during pick times. That doesn't mean you can't create a bigger battery if necessary. Prices for batteries are going down just like for solar energy itself. You saying batteries are to expensive sound exactly like people saying solar is to expensive 10 years ago.
@first Impression Sorry to be the one to tell you, but that battery is not a storage battery, it's a buffering battery. It smooths out the always fluctuating voltages coming in from wind and solar. It has about 8-11 minutes of total capacity. With it they don't have to keep as many diesel generators idling.
@Greg White There are no grid level batteries? You mean except that one Tesla created in Australia ? I love how people don't know what they are talking about...
The United States is losing in so many aspects, willingly. And therefore we deserve it.
The usa has already lost out.....!!!! period.
@Stephen Louie Except it wouldn't. Since we are talking nationwide application,it would come with ALL neighbourhoods, meaning your argument of "don't like it, don't live there" suddenly sounds rather cynical. Seriously, what is your point? Are you trying to argue that making this compulsory is a good idea? Are you seriously trying to make that point? Can you seriously not see the difference between building regulations meant to prevent houses from tipping over in a storm or catching fire or contractors ripping off buyers - and a top down command to power your houses in a certain way, forbidding any alternative that might come along, no matter the viability?
@Stephen Louie >Where is it stated that this would become compulsory nationwide? Meaning you haven't read the opening question?
@Alexander Kale Where is it stated that this would become compulsory nationwide? The requirement would be implemented at the neighborhood or municipal level. This is already happening, perhaps not in your area but is happening in jurisdictions around the world. So it is not that I am serious about this, but that there are governments that are already serious about this and that is reality. I see the difference between minimum building codes and what appears to be nice-to-haves, but building codes are more than just the minimums. The reality is that each jurisdiction is different and some will incorporate or have incorporated new requirements on new buildings. One regulation that I hate in my area is the ban on horizontal railings on decks, where all railings must be vertical. Nothing to do with minimums and based purely on a perceived security problem. This wasn't a problem in a different jurisdiction that I lived in - so again building codes are not nationwide. So building codes enforce minimums standards AND other requirements as well. As to their viability, my own calculations show that I only need about 10-15 square meters of panels to meet my electrical needs, and my roof has over 180 square meters of area. Additionally, the amortization of these panels would be about 7 years without subsidies. Our local energy provider is even willing to help us with all the connections, and will use that distributed generation to delay the need for additional power plants and associated infrastructure. When new technologies become available, building regulations will change as regulations are not static and change with technologies.
This is absolute rubbish. First of all wind and solar power will not get any cheaper than they are now because reduction in costs have already bottomed out. Both sources are intermittent and need back up which can only come from fossil fuels because storage, either pumped or battery, is horrendously expensive. The future is nuclear power which is the only low emissions technology available, and which is about to become far cheaper with the new Small Modular Reactors currently in development by several companies, including Rolls Royce, and companies backed by Bill Gates and several other billionaires.
@Alexander Kale It can be coimpulsory for every new building within a jurisdiction but not be nation wide. It is you that added the assumed meaning of the question. For example, California has made it a requirement for 2020, but the rest of the nation is welcome to do as they please. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/business/energy-environment/california-solar-power.html
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As usual, the farm gate price of wind and Solar is quoted. Realism is the 24/7/365 cost of RELIABLE and SECURE delivery to the user that actually matters. Idealists never think of this.
Bjarke I have the game changing wind turbine design...I am an architect too.
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The day us humans will be allowed to build zero point energy generators (invented by Nikola Tesla a loong time ago) then our earth will be saved.
@Geo T solar panels and wind turbines produce NET more energy than they need (btw the grey energy is never considered with oil either).
@Geo T ? landscape wrecking ?? you mean "wrecking" like when an oil tanker has an accident or pipelines spill (which inevitably happens !) and poison water, soil, wildlife and people ? you may not like the look of turbines (let's assume they are not in remote areas at farmland - but if you remove them when they do not work anymore it is like nothing was at the place (or the field - ask farmers in flyover country) Wind turbines are ideal for recycling because the raw materials are concentrated at one spot (the fundament, the metals, ....)
At current levels of consumption, the world will run out of rare earths in 30 years. How is that sustainable?
The most dramatic price drops are in the beginning of the introduction of any new technology but according to Dr. Eicke Weber there is still plenty of potential for solar. He must know: he was the head of the solar department of the renowed Fraunhofer Institute in Germany, which is big in material research: they bridge the gap between latest research and start of industrial production. (they get only 10 % public funding, the rest comes from projects). Economy of scale also reduced the price for energy produced by wind turbines - there it is less, they need more convential technology: construction, concrete fundaments etc. so that is established technology therefore not quite as dramatic improvements - but they have become considerably cheaper as well. This was a speech at the University of Karlsruhe (in 2017 if I remember correctly) average production costs per kWh in (often cool and cloudy) Germany under 5 cents per kWh Record setting 2,7 cents in Dubai. storage costs for batteries per kWh (for those kWh that NEED to be stored, and over lifetime) 14 - 16 cents, it depends if it is Lithium or lead. These are Euro cents = 18-ish in dollar cents the quotes for battery costs is my research, before subsidies - could have dropped meanwhile (1 - 2 years ago).
Dr. Eicke Weber: *_price drop_* for energy produced by solar panels *_20 %_* (costs per kWh, factoring in realistic lifetime - which is well known, they can easily make 30 years with not much detorioration of efficency) that reliable ! drop by 20 % happens every time the *_globally installed capacities double._* it is NOT a function of time - only produced, sold and installed panels. So progress does not just happen as time went by since the 1980s, the subsidies in Germany and the bold investment of China did a lot to speed up things in the last 15 years because they created a NICHE for producers and reliable demand. Solar panels were first used in the early 1980s to power satellites (expensive then). Naturally "the doubling" requires more and more units to be sold (1 MWh / 2 / 4 / 8 / 16 / 32 MWh ..... - until the technology becomes widesspread and mainstream.
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the "hazardous" materials for turbines are industry standard. Oil as RAW MATERIAL for durable products (like solar panels or wind turbines think 20 - 30 years) is NOT the problem. Wasting that valuable resource as fuel (and in a combustion process that uses less than 30 %) is the problem. using coal to produce electricity to run A/C is nonsense.
Oil also needs energy from oil (or renewable) to be refined ? What is your point ? When more and more (surplus) green energy is produced that can be used to manufacture the solar panels etc.
Less junk, less consumersim and "fast fashion" (cotton is huge !) and end planned obsolescence. Desalination, hopefully we keen keep the coastal settlements above water (keeping the space and the infrastructure) And eating much less meat (7 unit wheat, soy ... is needed to produce 1 unit beef, with pork chicken the ratio is slightly better 5 and 4 or 3,5 : 1)
@Xyz Same We subsidize every watt of solar and wind by paying 10X what it costs to produce. Ontario has a massive nuclear and hydro cpacity the latter a 9 billion project sits mostly idle because we have to buy expensive wind and solar.. Solar and wind need batteries , we have no storage capacity, we're paying to ship this energy to the US, at a Lioss! . Read up and figure it out. Wherever you are from is not our experience here! Green energy has been a complete boodoggle for us taxpayers and still suplies very little of out toal generated caapcity! Read up on the Green Energy Act and figure it out.
@Garden City "billions" are spent in Ontario and "almost no" production of wind and solar ?? you are into alternative facts, are you ? The installations may be more or less economically viable - but your claims are definitely nonsense. - how about some DATA !
@Garden City you tell that the Hornsdale power reserve (Tesla batteries) in South Australia that are nearby the Hornsdale wind power plant. They are wildly successful (one third of investment costs earned in the first year).
@Xyz Same China is building Coal plants by the gigawatt and researching nuclear power generation. They are mostly selling their solar cells to westerners since their own autnonomous regions have begun to actively shun solar - because of the intermittency of its nature. Also, thank god they are getting "some things right". Makes any totalitarian dictatorship so much better....
@Alexander Kale Both things can be true: China is a dictatorship - and they get some things right (or at least do them better than the West). They put our oligarchic Capitalistic profit-driven economic system to shame when it comes to renewable energy. (Of course a dictatorship has advantages when it comes to systemic change. They also have a more consistent foreign policy). As long as the oligarchs of the West own the politicians and mainstream media and heavily influence public opinion * and what bills get passed - the dictatorships with smart ! and not too greedy leadership will outwit the Western "democracies" * see healthcare "discussion" in the U.S. - the misinformation, the thought stopping clichés (invented by the for-profit industry) the deception and nonsense boggles the mind - and whatever debate is finally happening now was forced on mainstream media and most politicians by the Sanders campaign and because the citizens can circumvent the gatekeepers of information with help of the internet.
@Charbax the social credit system is at its heart a system build on pawlow's effect. Every action you take has an immediate effect, and you try to avoid negative effects. Presto, the state has just introduced a system not to educate, but to "educate" people. And yes, this IS 1984. The system does not stop at fines, it penalizes you, among other things, by denying you access to both private and public services. Already, people have been barred from buying plane tickets. It also penalizes the people around you by the way. If your son trash talks on youtube, that is now on you and you get the fine. The system as it is today ALREADY is every political officer's wet dream. Also, ignoring the absolute information gathering and absence of privacy this requires, if this is the way you would WANT to police 1.3 billion people, I should probably stop talking to you for fear of someone sending a hitsquad towards my house for disagreeing. If you want to live in a society of humans? Then I am sorry, but you will have to accept that humans have free will and must be allowed to make their own decisions, not just follow state approved guide lines.
@Charbax The chinese system works for the common man - as long as the common man does not stand in the way of what the government wants. Once he does, he will have no choice other than to obey and to get with the program, or be bulldozed over. I do not claim to understand the electoral college (I believe that is what is called?) of the USA, but having done the math once with my limited understanding, I believe it is possible - in theory - to become President with little more than a quarter of total votes in your favor. So I would agree, that model is probably a bust. But when I compare this with china, where elections among party members routinely churn out results in excess of 99 percent, I would be very, very careful calling ANYONE else undemocratic. The chinese constitution (again, I would be very grateful if you didnt nail me to the wall for using incorrect terminology) instituted a term limit for head of state specifically to prevent the rise of another Mao Zedong. This has now been changed again, the retoric sounded depressingly similar.
@Charbax The reason china can do whatever the government decides is because there are no checks and balances on the government. Whenever a chinese person complains about western countries being slow and inefficient, they are basically complaining that those systems - that exist for the protection of the common man - work. Tell me, if you have kept up to date on china, what are your opinions on the "Social Credit System"? I don't need to tell you anymore what those opinions are. They are right in the open, and the sanctions are too.
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do YOU live "next" door to a wind generator. In Europe there is zoning - they have to keep a distance to settlements. - that said you want to have a look at the concept of small kites (see Enerkite)
@Garden City Buying Hydro power from Quebec , yes I know, I saw EVERY Transmission tag that went across those lines. As far as more hydro in the states , no, all the good places to put in such dams has already been used and only supply about 10% of elect required. I have 2 engineering degrees and I can not seem to get through . You can't produce enough solar panels , batteries , wind turbines , ect due to a Lack of Production Capacity because everyone Cried about the Environment for Decades and shut almost everything down. Besides every time a new power plant is needed of more transmission capacity is required Nothing get built due to " Not In My Back Yard". At some point the lights are Going Out.
@Ogre MGTOW Ok but this is proven technology. The Falls has provided power to millions of homes for over cetury. Who has the cheapest electricity in North America? Quebec. Why because they make ost of it from hydro. So hydro is proven and far far cheaper and effiecnet then useless TESLA batteries.that's my point. BTW your grid buys massive amounts of juice from Quebec. Don't get me wrong I'm all for new tech but don't tell me it's rainbows and unicorns whilst sucking my tax dollars and jacking the price of what was once the 2nd Cheapest hydro in North america: Ontario..I remeber ..
@Garden City I use to help run the Power Grid. I could see every major generating plant and every major Transmission Line from the Rocky Mountains to the East Coast and from somewhere in Canada to the Mexico. Besides the Falls only drop about 20% of real flow the rest is already being used for Hydro Generation .
@Ogre MGTOW Pumped hydro? I guess you missed ot orignal green energy Niagara Falls. No pumping needed.
@Nathan Lewis No you are ignorant 50'000 homes for $800,000 million is not cost effective at all..
In America all the good places for Pumped Storage are already in use. All the good places for Hydro Dams are already in use . There are some western states are now removing some Hydro Dams because environment nutcases are complaining about the fish. There is a better way. Electrical separation of water into hydrogen and oxygen and burn that in a engine. No pollution from carbon that way. The only real problem is in colder climates the water has a tendency to freeze in colder climates
@Matthew Taylor no it is not minutes it is HOURS of storage and MINUTES to stabilize the grid (see below) and the Tesla Mega battery installation that is nearby Hornsdale wind power is wildly economically successful (earned back one third of investments costs in the first year). So they could ramp up storage. From the Wikipedia article: Tesla, Inc. won the contract and built the Hornsdale Power Reserve adjacent to the Hornsdale wind farm , for a cost to Tesla of about US$50 million. It is promoted as the largest lithium-ion battery in the world. It is owned and operated by Neoen, with the government having the right to call on the stored power under certain circumstances. It provides a _total of 129 megawatt-hours_ (460 GJ) of storage capable of discharge at 100 megawatts (130,000 hp) into the power grid, which is contractually divided into two parts. _70 MW running for *10 minutes* (11.7 MWh) is contracted to the government to provide stability to the grid (grid services).... while other generators are started in the event of sudden drops in wind or other network issues. This service has reduced the cost of grid services to the Australian Energy Market Operator by 90%. _30 MW for *3 hours*(90 MWh) is used by Neoen for load management_ to store energy when prices are low and sell it when demand is high. Note how 70 MW is more than 30 MW - and of course when you factor in the even better than expected numbers - they could be economically viable with more storage. The batteries also have proven to be very useful in a large scale power outage (not in the region that is seved by Hornsdale)
@Ogre MGTOW the need to refine oil is also a "net waste". Every storage means loss of energy (or extra costs) - if the energy is harvested at very low costs AND is supplied by the sun, wind, geothermal ("eternal" sources on a human timescale) it does not matter if you have extra costs for storage. My last research was 14 - 16 Euro cents (w/o subsidies) for every kWh that NEEDS storage (Lithium, lead batteries, their durability is factored in). These are prices that are a few years old - and of course for batteries and storage we are only the the beginning of economy of scale that unfolded in such an impressive manner for the costs of solar panels and wind turbines. You have to add the insane military spending in the U.S. to the costs of "cheap" gas in the U.S. And the environmental and health costs of fracking to cheap fracked gas. In Dubai they produced solar energy at 2,7 Euro cents per kWh at midday (that record was set a few years ago, it may be even lower now). Gas turbines cannot compete with that price. No electrictiy production (coal, gas, nuclear, small hydro plants) can - maybe large hydropower plants that have been long written off (think Hoover dam). But they are limited to a certain topography (and the same is true for pump storage - the costs will be lower if you have mountains. They now consider concept to use exhausted mines or use large weights as storage). Hydropower is the oldest form of large scale electricity production. And since it is technically not that complicated and cheap - where it is possible it has been already built (so not much potential for LARGE plants). Dubai will of course still use gas turbines in the night. When in the future storage is going to add only a few cents to the costs per kWh many windy or sunny regions can easily accept those costs. In Norway, Switzerland, Austria - well suited for the use of cheap and larger hydropower plants - they have had pump storage for the longest time - for peak demand. It costs more, but when they have a surplus of hydropower that is more or less "for free" - pump storage is cheaper than building another energy plant to satisfy peak demand. And that form of storage is also the emergency backup if a powerplant has a technical problem or a storm cuts off power lines.
@Juris Cervenaks so what - if you can bridge the night hours that takes care of a LOT of energy needs already. _Pareto Principle:_ you get 80 % of the results with 20 % of input. Or in other words: Bridging only a few hours in areas that have good production conditions (sunny or windy regions) = plucking the low hangig fruits. The economy of scale that is triggered with these installations (cheaper / better / more durable panels and batteries, maybe other solutions for wind - see Enerkite - small kites that can be operated almost everywhere) will pave the road for the regions that need to store energy for longer, have cold seasons and less or not reliable sunshine or wind. Or we continue to use SOME fossil fuels in the colder regions in the winter and for the "slow times" and counteract that with carbon capture technology. It is completely new technology in one of the most important sectors of the economy. *_The path will be created while we are going forward !_* No one in 2000 would have predicted the massive price drops * - they just GOT STARTED and TOOK IT FROM THERE. Integrating whatever improvements were achieved ! And some of the improvements were game changers. * although in hindsight - those price drops possible because of economy of scale (and because R & D costs can be earned back) is normal in large scale industrial production, see airbags, mobile phones, computers, flatscreen TV, .....
If interested in FACTS I recommend the channel of potholer 54 - you can start with Top 10 myths about Climate change (excellently sourced, not too long, easy to understand - and he does read the studies that he cites - not only the summary - or what a blog claims that the study allegedly says.
CO2 DOES CAUSE WARMING - be it at 100, 180, 280, 400 or more ppm - it is just the question what is GOOD FOR HUMANS and CIVILIZATION. Actually CO2 helps to make the planet fit for life. It is more of "too much of a good thing" - and that WE will not do well with abrupt change. The planet and life on it will be fine in the long run (unless the unrest and fight over resources, water, etc trigger a nuclear war - then the planet could become unfit for mammals). If you do not agree that CO2 and Methane are the most important greenhouse gases for CHANGE (water vapor is important for "base load") - you can go and write a response paper to the peer reviewed studies that are out there. There are many factors why global average temperature goes up and down (over much longer time when the causes are natural) - and in the history of the planet occasionally greenhouse gases triggered that. OR a warming or cooling came about for other reasons but CO2 or Methane boosted (or counteracted) that effect. Sometimes CO2 lead, more often it followed warming. Or: it was BOTH in a cycle. That is what happened in the last glaziations. Al Gore has the seesaw pattern in the film - that is something he did not get completly right or they did not explain it well. potholer54 explains that: first CO2 followed a warming (more of it was released because of higher temperatures) but then the higher CO2 content triggered MORE ADDITIONAL WARMING and later in the cycle CO2 LEAD the warming. _For the warming - a physical effect - it does not matter WHY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE CO2 is there:_ 1) humans burning fossil fuels = stored biomass from MILLIONS of years - they were taken OUT of the natural carbon cycle and are reintrodued in extremely short time - only 100 - 200 years. The natural carbon cycle can absorb some spikes, but not THAT much as we have emitted, especially since the 1950s. 2) Or CO2 or methane from volcanoes erupting over 100,000 years (see India or Siberia). 3) warm and shallow oceans sustain a mass of organisms, which die off for some reason (temp change). So a lot of carbon gets taken out of the natural carbon cycle relatively fast. The triggers a cooling. 4) Or the distance earth sun or the axis of the earth go through the normal cycles - in all combinations you can think of. The cycles are 10,000 to 400,000 years. Slighly higher energy gains from the trigger _some warming_ that releases _some_ CO2 or methan from the ocean water or from melting ice .... it becomes a positive feedback loop .... The repetition of an old study - showing the effect of CO2 as greenhous gas - was done in the 1950s. If you think you know better or the experts have overlooked something - when the study is around for so long and no one that is qualified has challengd it in a scientific way: Go ahead - and expose your findings to the judgement of the experts. You will get famous if you can prove your point. Al Gore is irrelevant for the argument - he is not a scientist and does not publish in peer reviewed magazines. He made a documentary (correct for the most part, so he had knowledgeable advisors and experts). But it's been a while.
"ideal CO2 content" ? for WHOM and over HOW MANY MILLENIA ? - as the top predator we can only hope that things remeain steady - as opposed to causing such a major, extremely fast change in the most reckless manner. CO2 was 180 - 280 ppm in the last 400,000 years (likely much longer, but that number I know for sure and off the cuff) Plants and life in general did just fine with 180 - 280 ppm. CO2 is not the only factor for plant growth, there are many (space, sunshine, temp. draughts or too much rain, soil quality, nutrients, pests ...) In greenhouses - or even in fields - one can control pests. But not in nature ! However, there are studies that indicate that plants become more vulnerable for pests and that they synthetisize proteins etc. differently (so they may not feed the currently existing ! insects as well, for instance those that eat the leaves. And since the change happens incredibly fast - the insects (or other animals) will not be able to adapt. It could also favor C4 plants over other plants (that is already happening - I read a comment about Arizona if memory serves about a certain grass - and it is not good for the ecosystem. that can also have consequences for fighting fires for instance or for cattle if they do not eat the plants (or if they are dangerous for them). If you have a garden you will know: if you "force" the plants, give them more than they are used to - be it nutrients or water - they can end up weak and very attractive for bugs. 40 % more "plant food" = Co2 (the dramatic increase from 280 ppm to plus 400 ppm within 100 years) could have the same effect on natural vegetation, after all they are used to make do well with much less of THAT factor. We may be able to create new crops (agriculture is a monoculture) - but the natural DIVERSE ecosystems will not be able to adapt. Not quick enough. Of course the ecosystems will adjust over ten of thousands of years (if CO2 stays high - or other animals and plants will take the place of those species that went extinct. Life on earth recovered from much worse events. Homo sapiens (and many other species) will get in trouble though.
fracking is a hazard for health and environment. Wind turbines do quite well (ask the Chinese, UK, Germany, the farmers in the U.S. that like to have them). An eye sore ? it depends. Economically viable ? where they are erected they ARE delivering - these are large investments after all, so they make estimates about the possible harvest, they have the maps, and experiences from other wind turbines or farms ! in densely populated Britian the population is smarter than to ruin the soil and the aquifers for the SHORT TERM fix of fracked gas (the sites are quickly exhausted - and then they have to move and poison another site and area) Their useless Tory government pushes for fracking - not where the posh people have their real estate of course. I recommend the documentary Gasland by Josh Fox. btw a CEO of such an U.S. company sued when they wanted to start operation nearby one of his properties.
The cheap rates do not factor in the health costs - black lung, or the impact on the water in coal country, the damage of the oil spills (google Michael Bolenbough whistleblower). And don't get me started on fracking. 0,10 to 0,16 cents I do not believe - in Dubai they have replaced gas turbines with solar panels - 2,7 cents per kWH during noon. That is a good price maybe large hydropower plants could compete with that (if they have written off the investments costs long ago) - but not coal or gas fired plants. And also not nuclear power. In areas that have good conditions (sunny) coal, gas and nuclear already have troubles to compete. Even w/o subsidies (or not much).
For transport purposes you hire a vehicle (a truck not a passenger car !) - for the daily routines good public transportation and the last mile with a bike is a good idea. (could be taxis, could be electric bikes for hire).
They can't recycle YET - if they WANT to they invest the research and then sell the technology once they have figured it out.
@Geo T "free" "trade" and global division of labor: Until the 1980s there was a lot of BENEFICIAL and necessary ! export and international division of labor going on - but as a rule of thumb if goods, components were dragged across the borders they COULD NOT be produced in the country. Or commodities like fossil fuel, minerals, or corps like cotton, tea, bananas or coffee. Many consumer goods were produced in the country (or a nearby country) not on another continent. Especially when they were lower cost (think funiture, garments, shoes, books, pots and pans, silverware, ...) Sure cars were exported from one country to another (or even from Japan to Europe and the U.S.) but cars are very durable and a lot (most) of the goods were produced regionally. Typical export products: Specialized technical components, machines (where the manufacturer was in another country and held the patents. Often the products were very specialized, but needed a lot of R & D, while sales in every country were limited - so these producers needed the whole world as market. As opposed to products where demand IN the country was high enough to allow for economy of scale (mass production) even when produced and consumed only domestically. Think chemical industry, cars, steel, cement, garments, .... Many of these products also were not high technology and every country (even smaller ones) had their own local cement, or cholrine or garment production. The _indespensable_ high technology products (components, machines, certain chemicals) with a more limited demand that required high R & D investments could not be produced efficiently for the demand of only ONE country (even if that country was large like France, or the U.S. or Japan) That jumpstarted the thriving European or Japanese export industry - mind you at a time when exporting was much more of a hassle than it is today. On the other hand then there were import quotas and tariffs that protected the domestic production of steel, cars, .... and in most cases also agricultural products. The Golden Era was not "free market" - only to a degree, there was a lot of protectionism and gov. internvention and regulation going on in ALL countries. And that was good - for the citizens / workers. Not so much for the oligarchs - which from the 1980s on made sure they captured the political process and made their politicians pass "free" "trade" deals. (NAFTA negotiations started under Reagan). Now and because of these "free" "trade" agreements we have an insane degree of international division of labor - to exploit the workforce in poor countries, often dictatorships. EXCESSIVE division of labor and transport is not necessary to have the "good life" for the cititzens or to allow for development (not in the wealthy or the developing countries) and if the external costs would be added to fossil fuel use, transportation would cost more and a lot of that nonsense would stop. Even more so if the workers in the developing countries would get wages rising with productivity (which would help them to develop domestic markets and their own middle class). Like it was for employees in the U.S. or in Europe in the times of the Economic Miracle / The Golden Era after WW2. Wages rising in lockstep with productivity wins triggered the building of the middle class. With neoliberalism and "globalization" (read: also excessive need for transportation and need for insane consumerism and a throwaway culture) that changed *. Only China is large enough to withstand the demands of the Western oligarchs how they should set up their economy, and they think long term (not like the other capitalists). That long term thinking also showed in how they approached solar and wind energy: the West "dealt" with the Great Financial Crisis caused by the Western banksters. At the same time China went big with solar and with bullet trains and public transportation. They do not go into the traps of World Bank and IMF like other developing countries, they do not accept the role as work bench although they started out with that in the 1990s (like many other developing Asian countries that are kept in that role because they are smaller and do not have nukes) China made sure there was a transfer of technology. They did not steal it as Trump claims, the Western manufacturers very willingly helped China - because the dictatorship offered them VERY cheap labor and much less environmental regulations. While Western politicians provided the low import tariffs (= free trade deals in the case of China accepting them into the WTO with no stings attached regarding labor and environment). so that the stuff then could be sold in first world countries - in the beginning the underpaid Chinese workers could not afford to buy so it HAD TO BE EXPORTED. The Western oligarchs only turned their back on the domestic workforce when they outsourced manufacturing. They still needed the domestic consumers. Now most consumers have their disposable income from wages - consumer debt on the credit card and a real estate bubble helped to gloss over that contradiction China can afford to (somewhat) disregard copyright and patents, so in that sense they are "stealing" - and because the Western capitalists and the politicians owned by big biz are so greedy and shortsighted - China gets away with it. But now they are increasingly doing their own thing regarding R & D and they embrace the NEW TECHNOLOGIES. In the 1990s the Chinese upper / ruling class (the more equal pigs) realized that Capitalism could make them rich - just like the upper class in the West - but they have been playing the game at their conditions. And China is too large (and they are too smart and too strategic) to be regime changed when they resist the demands of the Western oligarchs. * In Germany there is a kind of shrimps that used to be a seasonal treat, they were caught by citizens and then prepared and eaten at a party with friends and family. These days it seems TIME is the real luxury and citizens cannot do it anymore - or they are incentivized to skip the coming together to prepare and eat them. The shrimps are offered at relatively low prices in the supermarkets - why is that possible ? They are now commerically caught and then sent from Germany to North Africa to make them ready for eating and then they are sent back to Germany (and if they do not sufficiently cool them in the process consumers learn about that nonsense).
Dr. Eicke Weber head of solar department Fraunhofer Institute * on Economy of Scale: Photovoltaic was used for the first time in the early 1980s to power satellites and was very expensive then (for satellites it is payload and durability, not the production costs per kWh that matter). *Every time the globally installed kWh capacity _double_ the costs for energy produced by new solar installations _drop by 20 %._ * Part of it is cheaper panels, part of it is better efficiency of the panels (better harvest). They have always been very durable. That progress has nothing to do with the passing of time - it is triggered by selling and installing panels. And that was only possible because of the initial subsidies that created a market and a reliable niche for manufacturers. * they are in the M.I.T. league - Fraunhofer Institute are renowed for material research. They bridge the gap between new technology and materials and industrial production. The Solar department at the Fraunhofer Institute for instance gets only 10 % public funding the rest is earned with the projects.
@David James Facts matter - there is data about Chinese coal plants (many delayed or cancelled btw) and the solar and wind installations in China. - For the MASSIVE PRICE DROPS of panels we can also thank the Chinese government (and to a degree the German government). - even their botched German "Switch to renewable electricity" did some good even though Merkel first and foremost serves big biz and you can see that in the reform. She did not suddenly detect that she was fond of renewable energy - she had a political problem. Before that plan she had abolished a plan (it was in place ! bills passed, agreements written down with the industry) of the former government to fade out of nuclear power (in an orderly fashion). Merkel upset that agreement and did a 180: The nuclear industry was gifted with lifetime extensions - and not many strings attached. If a plant had been built to last 40 years - they are not getting better and the materials are under stress, and the wear could not be fully anticipated when they were built in the 1970s and 1980s. .... So extending operation for 10 more years ..... Nuclear power had been controversial in Germany since the 1980s. Also: the Germans are positive about energy efficiency, it is a cultural value and considerd smart to save energy. So that plan of Merkel to undo the fade-out of nuclear and the gifts to the nucelar industry were met with a lot of critique - but the German citizens were assured that it was all perfectly safe. Not long after the extension had been passed Fukushima happened. The Germans have a lot of respect for Japanese technology, they accept the Japanes as equals in that area). So now Merkel had a politcal problem - and did another 180 on nuclear power. The German Energy Transistion was NOT triggered by concern about the environment - and it shows. That said: _Germany and their subsidies created a market and helped with economy of scale_ as well. One could say that Germany and China started something together - Germand demand also triggered and inspired Chinese production - and then the Chinese government went the full mile. Those price drops in the first round triggered installations in first world countries / regions with a lot of sun (a lot of A/C use - which is ideal for solar) and high electricity prices (think California or Australia). or luxury users in developing countries (like hotels in India, the grid is or had been very unreliable, so they accepted higher costs). So new markets - more R & D - more price drops .... rinse and repeat
@Geo T That concern trolling was contradicted by reality ("Solar / wind is too expensive. Or: "The grid cannot handle it." Dr. Eicke Weber Fraunhofer Institut: the grid in Germany after the necessary investments is MORE reliable now - and Germany started from a good level). So now the naysayers utter their concern about the energie needed (or the environmental impact) to produce solar panels, batteries, wind turbines, .... The next line wil be: Batteries and storage (indispensible to counteract the fluctuating production) are too expensive. Or: they have a negative impact on the environment (which they do - all industrially produced goods have it) - no one bats an eye as long as it is NOT for renewable energy. Now that impact must be considered and minimized - but the concern trollers do not care about the "grey energy" and impact of the oil industry, streets, cars, fast fashion, insufficient insulation of homes, industrial agriculture, .... the solution 1) make panels and turbines as robust and durable as possible (design in the beginning), if one can squeeze 1, 2 or even 5 more years of use out of the installations that improves the _net gain of energy_ 2) the more panels and turbines are produced using renewable energy (during daytime when there is plenty of solar energy in many regions) the less that energy use matters. Of course the extracting and processing of raw materials are a drain to the environment (like for ANY product) so good quality, easy maintainance and durability and RECYCLING is important. 3) continue to mass produce (while setting quality standards), think of recycling NOW (so it will be easier to do in 20 or 30 years). 4) - we need to get rid of fast fashion, eat less meat - thus cutting use of energy. No one complains of that waste of energy. Or insane transportation of goods all over the globe. Much more than is needed to provide us with modern goods and services. - as for division of labor see next comment we waste a lot of energy with little or no increase of quality of life for the citizens because of how we set up our economic system and the use of throwaway consumer products, fast fashion, planned obsolescence for technical products (household appliances, printers, but also the smaller stuff).
@Geo T ECONOMY OF SCALE: mass production leads to price drops, and more innovation - incl. ways to produce the panels and turbines with LESS energy, make them more durable ! and with more efficient use of raw materials. Fraunhofer Institut (Germany) is engaged in material research - they are attacking ways to produce the silicone differently for the solar panels (for instance to replace the SIEMENS process, that grade of purity is needed for electronics but not for solar panels. That will also reduce the energy consumption to manufactur the panels.
@Geo T solar panels and wind turbines produce NET more energy than they need (btw the grey energy is not considered with oil either).
what was at 180 - 280 ppm in the atmosphere for the last 400,000 years and sustained at those levels all live on earth (plants, animals). What has increased at an insanely high (unprecedented !) speed by 40 % within not even 100 years ? What have scientist in peer reviewed articles declared to be the a very important factor in the climate history of the planet (even though it is a _trace_ gas - and it is not even the most effective greenhouse gas - not even close. A case of the turtle beating the hare, and small hinges swinging big doors). What is only ONE of many factors that influents how plants will grow - and how many nutrients they will synthesize - more "fodder" does not always yield better results (and that factor was always available - as opposed to light, space, the right temperature, soil, nutrients, the right amount of water, ...)
@Garden City the sick part is most of the green tards end up being Socialist / Communist supporters .
@Ogre MGTOW Sounds like my native Ontario. These green tards are destroying our respective countries competitive advantages..Drive up hydro costs and overegulate business and drive manufacturing out of the country..
@Garden City the problem in the States is you can not build a new nuclear power plant ( there is no place to put the spent fuel rods ), forget about coal ( pollution ), no more good places for hydro, gas turbine ( can't get the gas pipe lines put in ) solar and wind ( no storage batteries / no large transmission lines ) so anything else you try to come up with is either no infrastructure or no production capacity. So what do you do ? Cut load, reduce industry with shitty trade deals.
@Ogre MGTOW Bingo trying to convince these simpletons of simle concepts like "base load" and the need for sources like nuclear and hydro is a lost cause. You are correct there are few good sites for new hydro , especially in America, there was a proposal for more large scale projects in Quebec but no action..
That Indian looking guy: Cheap renewable energy could change the world, as much as the internet did. No shit Sherlock! This has been the concept behind many a movie. Never mind the internet, really cheap renewable energy would change this planet, in ways you cannot imagine. Yet this same guy, says things like, you could use that energy to desalinate water due to the ('obvious') lack of clean water due to global warming. Who says there will be a lack of clean water due to warming? Prove it, before you run off making plans based on that assumption about how to use energy. The last time I looked, the world was greening due to a rise in Co2 levels and rise in warmth creates more precipitation. But no, no, no... Anything associated with the concept of global warming, has to be described in a negative fashion and what are we going to do about it. This negative way that this situation is framed and the 'we have the answers to this impending disaster' setup, is exactly how religions induct and control people through fear. I say again, this video is propaganda.
@Xyz Same I live in Asia. The roads here are dangerous. A neighbor just died this morning, riding his motorcycle to work. I had an electric scooter. It took hours to charge, You had to plan any trip on it. Working out exactly how far you were riding, because for battery life you had to run it flat every day. The batteries needed replacing far too soon anyway. Not to mention the pain in the ass shopping and rain are on them. Many people around here, can't afford to hire a car, don't have licenses for a car and I don't want to share the roads with an unskilled driver driving an unfamiliar vehicle. Your solutions, like most people who claim to have all the answers, are simplistic enough to say you are a dreamer. The real problem is, governments often write laws based on their voters implausible dreams. On battery life and governments: Many European governments are falling in love with the idea of using the lithium battery of electric automobiles to power the grid at night when things like solar cells are not producing. Trusting your government not to drain your batteries too much when you need that vehicle to get to work in the morning, is a bad idea. Also, even lithium batteries, have a serviceable life (every charge, shortens battery life). Most people will very quickly realize, they are paying more to subsidize green energy, so their government doesn't have to tax them more to build their own power storage solutions. So what next? Fines for not having your car connected to the grid at night?
Five minutes in and I had to turn it off. What a truck load of bullshit.
This is absolutely amazing and it is a no brainer, btw decentralized energy across world wow
@Xyz Same This project you mention store powers for 50'000 homes in a country of 22 million and cost $800,000 AUD. http://theconversation.com/yes-sas-battery-is-a-massive-battery-but-it-can-do-much-more-besides-88480
Garden City Your numbers are wrong. The Hornsdale cost ~50 million and has already saved its operators 40 million by the end of 2018. At that rate it should pay for itself soon if it hasn’t already. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Wind_Farm
your claim about electricity rates (and a lot of other claims in your comment) is not correct - or at least you wrote cents and meant USD. for instance the map (Chamber of Commerce) under https://www.globalenergyinstitute.org/map-2013-average-electricity-retail-prices the state with the highest costs per kWh was Hawaii with 33 cents, the lowest was Washington with 7,06 National average was 10,08 in 2013 (most states remain below 12 cents) That is much less than in Europe, or Australia (which have a lot of incentive to switch to solar and wind therefore) - but it is not even close to 0,10 _cents_
Solar will be dangerous over 20% of our power when not if when an event like Mt. Barujari 1274 happens and both hemispheres will have a no sunlight event for three years DEVASTATING. It could be worst than the fallout. Clean renewable energy needs to have storage to be viable. Three years worth.
What green energy ? Just 2 examples ..... How can anybody still call windmills and solar panels « green energy » when looking at the « life cycle emissions / pollution calculations» of those religiously sold and glorified totally inefficient / horrendously expensive, unreliable energy production, and utterly unfit for mass production of affordable energy ? Believe it or not ..... with the latest technology of « clean coal » we can do already better than wind or solar when it comes to CO2 emissions and pollution per kw/hr produced ...... and « clean coal » technology can still be improved by a far shot ! Let alone nuclear energy production based on Thorium, = by a far shot cleaner than wind or solar and NO CO2 emissions !
Burning household waste is not the way to go, they might not have toxic smoke, but the toxins will have to be filtered out. Which means highly concentrated toxic filters will still need to be disposed of !.
If wind and solar was great people would be doing it, not forcing it on other people thru politics and guilt or shaming. Do you really have to look far to find Solar and wind farms being shutdown after failing because of reality? Do you really have to look far to find billions of tons of toxic e-waste from Solar industry?
This video is wrong in the first 40 seconds, the price of electricity is on an increase because of all the solar and wind bs. Even quadrupling what people are paying.
@Kiyarose3999 At the moment and into the near future a similar volcano would effect solar for as long as the sun don't shine so you only need storage for what amounts of solar was relied on and we would still have other renewables. As for hydrogen, another great idea but the amounts of needed storage will be huge as solar seems to the renewable of choice which will be used to make the hydrogen and there will not be any sun to produce it and the other renewables will be strapped at this time. How many months of oil do we have in storage? We still have a lot more to achieve. Let us hope that nuclear fusion gets of the ground, we need base load power and lots of it.
Peter Staples It won’t come to needing 3 years worth of stored energy, but IF we did that can be done by making compressing and storing Hydrogen for later use in a Hydrogen Fuel Cell( HFC)
Don't want to Burst yous little green bubble but, the wind turbines construction and installation require more energy than it will produce in its lifetime. Have a look at the John Searl motor
the child that is narrating is unsure of to much. Smells of oil
storage is the problem here is where imagination is required. Herd of under ground storage of air. Was said to be not efficient,because of the heat and cold created by the compression and expansion. Both of those are sellable commodities,the short sided people saw a loss is an opportunity for profit.
Well if we have it any time soon we will all starve, let's stay with the carbon it does no harm.
What is this new Deification of the female, has society gone mad, I thought everybody is now agnostic? the idea of climate change is moot because the climate changes in time, also climate changes in cycles so the important concern is air water and general atmospheric quality! Energy storage desiggns are being developed.
Wind and solar generation disrupts the grid's stability because their output fluctuates erratically with weather conditions. Thus, every wind and solar installation must be propped up by reliable nuclear and fossil fuel plants which compensate for the dangerous and unpredictable fluctuations of wind/solar output. Otherwise, they would cause life-threatening black/brown outs and voltage spikes throughout the day.
Quite frankly like the Roman Empire before America is going to fall apart like this now cracks are appearing in America all over.... they can't even take care of their own homeless people population have you checked California lately....
when oil will run out . there will be no future ...
exactly. we need a shutdown of the industrial system not new technology-a depression. read growth & technology the price we pay by ezra mishan
What a pile of tosh. Germany has only managed to make its electricity far more expensive and less reliable. The country is about to decommissioned a large chunk of its wind turbines because they have reached the end of their life. Nicely done!
Let's trust our energy needs to technologies that by nature only can work part of time, in the case of wind in an entirely unpredictable manner.
Storage problem will not be solved any time soon.
The top-down CCP approach invites many wasteful projects like the dozens of empty cities.
" Energy independence is economic security, food security and even national security. " Well said! The children of the future will not know war. They will know peace instead and hopefully they will also thank us for our efforts to create that future. Haha! The ski slope on the old energy plant is brilliant!
Human created smog and acid rain was never about carbon ;).
Diesel gate was never about carbon.
right on Copenhagen. America's A dinosaur, and her people have been duped into this privilege lifestyle. that most can't afford. and hopefully the rest don't care about. the old manifest destiny crap is bucking to hold on to the white supremest narrative. but thanks to mother earth, they are losing, just got to get the 1% to help with climate control, and the green revolution, or take much of their wealth, and make extinction of humanity at least slow way down. WE are all connected to mother earth, and the sooner we get it the better. thanks again.
@Kerry Marris Government should not control the production, distribution or the price of electricity.
Dagny Taggart the only reason electric power is expensive Is because of who controls it.
@ asian girl: "magic of china" and "people united working for a shared goal" are euphemisms for one thing: china is a dictatorship. but a clever dictatorship with a sutainable vision. and they will overrun the world, because their govermental system is superior for growth and invention, i think. if they give their people enough breathing space so they don't leave (brain drain) then the future is theirs
This Is A Propaganda War Piece Demonizing Fossil Fuels. The Countries With The Most Wind & Solar Have The Most Expensive Electricity In The World By 4X. 1500 Coal-Fired Power Plants Are Currently Planned & Under Construction!!! LOL!!! What Happens When The Wind Doesn't Blow And The Sun Doesn't Shine??? The Useful Life Span Of Solar Panels & Wind Turbines Is Less Than 25 Years. The Manufacture And Disposal Of Solar Panels, Wind Turbines, And Batteries Require Industrial Polluting Processes On An Unpresidented Scale. Wind & Solar Are Neither Green Nor Sustainable.
YOUR post is the average fossil fuel propaganda piece. you have been informed how strong the decline in costs for e.g. solar panels is. and if china is massproducing these, it will fall even more. china is building coal power plants, but in e.g. in india and other countries. china knows it's not the future. you can recycle solar panels over 90%!!! so yet, that is unPRECEdented, but in a good way. batteries on the other hand aren't as clean so far, but with "power to gas" we don't really need them. anyway. in a summary one can say, your message is a lie. and as a fossil fuel protagonist you should get slapped for talking about sustainability. you are the past. the fossil fuel industry will lose its world dominance no matter how much propaganda you spread. you stink, you kill the environment and in the end you harm business and growth. good luck fighting for the side with no future.
@MickG that might be true. imagine how much the fossil fuel industry will lose lol can't wait. will be a fun development!
@MickG lol.. very authentic websites, one already taken down. maybe your demented grandma will fall for that
@Paul Schubert Less Than 2% Of The World's Power Is Supplied By Wind And Solar. LOL!!!
@Paul Schubert=Brainwashed Green Fascist Moron co2science.org realclimatescience.org
so you are implying "fears of decommission" have increased the electricity prices? explain please
rare earths aren't that rare. give me a source for your claim!
tell that to the saudis
jesus.. every poisonous lobby is concentrated here. nuclear is just as bad as fossil fuels. it is kind of obvious, that storing poison underground isn't an environmental-friendly or sustainable option.
What a pile of tosh. Germany has only managed to make its electricity far more expensive and less reliable. The country is about to decommission a large chunk of its wind turbines because they have reached the end of their life. Nicely done!
@Dagny Taggart i think this is what the energy providers want you to believe. if you speak german, read this: https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/news/strompreis-auf-rekordhoch--die-verlogene-rechnung-der-stromanbieter-8704676.html it basically says, the purchase prices haven't increased that dramatically, instead the energy suppliers just doubled the prices. i don't think solar and wind can be blamed for the increase.
@Paul Schubert Higher production prices have pushed up the price of electricity. Are you OK now?
@Dagny Taggart Wind power is still quite expensive, despite prices are sinking and efficiency is increasing. At ideal locations wind energy, however, is a cost efficient option. The USA will not get clima-neutral with only wind energy and I never said otherwise. Solar, wind and other fossil-free alternatives will do the trick. You're already at 18% or so fossil-free. Germany was over 40% thanks to the long summer in 2018. Your shale gas invention made some people very rich, but for the country it slows down your progress and innovation in future-proof green technologies. China recognised it and is throwing vast rescources at it and that's why they lead the market.
@Paul Schubert Are you good with numbers? Despite the huge amounts of money spent on wind turbines in the last years, wind produces less than 7% of all electricity in the USA. For that, they need almost 60 000 turbines of various sizes scattered a across more than 200 sites, each requiring constant and immediately available power from a reliable source because turbines don't spin at all most of the time or don't produce. On top of that, each farm requires transmission lines going over public and private property. Now, imagine all electricity being eventually produced by turbines. Even assuming higher average capacity for the future you're looking at 10 times more turbines but this time placed EVERYWHERE. Add new lines. Right now they build wind farms in the "best" places but people don't live in the best places for wind. Many places have not enough wind or too much of it. Before we get there, let's not forget that electricity consumption goes up all the time. So, according to you, the USA can and should replace all electricity generation with wind but, one last funny tidbit, manufacturers used to estimate the lifespan of a turbine at 20-25 years with optimal maintenance. That turned out way too optimistic. So at some point money you will spend a lot of money building new turbines while more money will be spent decommissioning them. Sleep on it.
@Dagny Taggart we have all the options needed. solar and wind in combination with "power to gas" is all we need to solve the energy problem. germany already produces so much energy with that, it has to give energy away (e.g. to france). we need to close down coal plants etc. even if the lobbies resist. THERE IS NO ENERGY SHORTAGE!!
@Paul Schubert What is the alternative?
right on Copenhagen. America's A dinosaur, and her people have been duped into this privilege lifestyle. that most can't afford. and hopefully the rest don't care about. the old manifest destiny crap is bucking to hold on to the white supremest narrative. but thanks to mother earth, they are losing, just got to get the 1% to help with climate control, and the green revolution, or take much of their wealth, and make extinction of humanity at least slow way down. WE are all connected to mother earth, and the sooner we get it the better. thanks again. extinction rebellion.com join us on October 7th for A global non violent occupation ALL over mother earth.
everyone is now green. who made this mess. everyone who is now green. . i was publically for a depression in 74. bottom line we're all dead without a depression actually we'llbe dead with one. all those people talking are goody two shoes stating the obvious. .
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Yep. And wind is worse than solar. If you compare the US's largest nuke reactors (Grand Gulf and Palo Verde) and largest solar farms (Solar Star 1 & 2 and Topaz) you find 2 - 3 times the actual energy produced per $ of construction cost for nuclear, than you do solar. Land used is 7 times more for solar than nuclear when comparing actual energy produced. Capacity factor (actual energy produced vs max production) for solar is about 33%, for nuclear it's about 83%. Furthermore nuclear can directly replace coal plants but with solar and wind you still need coal as a back up. Seriously if CO2 really is the demon it's made out to be, we are morons for betting so much on solar and wind.
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VERY BIG PROBLEM METHANE IS A BIG BOMB , every day coming 200.000 new polluters to this planet. Nobody will stop this and oil is used more and more. So take your health insurance cards, possessions, money, credit cards, language skills, diplomas and fancy titles. In 10 till 12 years you can burn it with the rest of this planet
@Paul Schubert For more than a century anyone who expressed any kind of doubt about the Darwin's Theory of Evolution was called stupid, ignorant and malicious. There was indeed a consensus around the idea. Now we know the skeptics were right: it was bunk from the get-go.
@Paul Schubert You made me laugh, thank you! Einstein believed consensus had no meaning in science so I modestly side with him. Look up how the idea of plate tectonics came about and how much time it took to kill the old consensus. We've had multiple instances of scientific consensus about the depletion of oil and gas going on for more than one hundred years. About 30 years ago our governments, backed by "science" presented us with the food pyramid, purporting to tell us what food we should eat and how much. That was entirely wrong. Two words then three: cholesterol hypothesis. Wrong, wrong, wrong. I have no idea why you seem obsessed with vaccines.
@Dagny Taggart I wrote "Most scientific breakthrough" to begin with. I have read about the ulcer thing (again), beautiful. You can give me the names of 50 lottery winners, but that will not make me play. Let's end this. You're an extremist. Like with religious people there is no point in arguing. You keep on fighting scientific consensus your way and I will keep embracing it. Have a nice day. And vaxx your kids
@Paul Schubert You thought about it then decided there were exceptions. OK. How do you know when exceptions are acceptable? Have you actually read about Marshall and Warren? Find out how plate tectonics became a valid hypothesis. That went against a 100% consensus as well.
@Dagny Taggart Yes, there have been exceptions. This thinking leads nowhere. So you want to trash all scientific consensus on that.. Great. Yes, let's trust the fossil fuel industry, they are so anti-science they must be showered in truth. To put it in a question for you (off-topic): Are you an anti-vaxxer? It would suit your anti-science stance.
@Paul Schubert I want you to read how Barry Marshall and Robin Warren came to win their Nobel Prize. Up until Marshall's experiment there was a total consensus on the causes of stomach ulcers that turned out totally wrong. When Einstein came up with Relativity he also faced and had to fight a total consensus brought about by the work of the greatest scientist who ever lived, Isaac freaking Newton. Einstein spent the rest of his life trying to come up with a better theory all the while wishing other scientists would do the same. Einstein did not believe consensus was a good thing, to the contrary. In 1931, a book was published titled “100 Authors Against Einstein” refuting Albert Einstein’s theories of relativity. In the publication, there were not just 100, but 120 scientists, engineers and laity who all attempted to repudiate Einstein’s theories and promoted the book as the consensus view against relativity. Einstein’s response was characteristically brilliant. He said simply, “Why 100 authors? If I were wrong, then one would have been enough!”
@Dagny Taggart Most scientific breakthrough doesn't base on dissensus. A new material or e.g. a new medicine is developed thanks to scientific research/ trials. That's not dissensus. You are against scientific consensus, so you are basically against science in general. With people like you we'd still sacrifice goats to please higher powers. I bet you're an anti-vaxxer as well, because of the evil fake-science.
Paul Schubert Every major or minor scientific breakthrough was achieved by someone not part of the consensus. Look at all the Nobel prize winners, they came up with a new theory, hypothesis and Ideas That went against the current so-called consensus. A scientific consensus means shooting yourself in the head. And and by the way there is no consensus regarding climate
@Dagny Taggart i believe in the scientist's consensus. anything else is absurd anyway. unless you support lobby-interests.
@Paul Schubert If you believe that CO2 drives climate there is nothing I can do for you.
To listen to these green energy experts fawn over China you'd think it was like the freest cleanest most virtuous country on the planet rather than the largest totaliterian polluter that it really is..
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Like what and what dose that even mean
I love the sustainable city,as the world population grows more people will need to live in city's.Plants should be grow every were,green walls,green houses on roofs and balconies and parks,plants in doors.Would be great if you had food clubs to share with your neighbours,grow your own. I have experimented with plants and grow my own tomatoes, lemons and runner beans,some veg will only be available seasonally the rest of the time use preserved (frozen or caned)I only have a small space but could do much more that's the way to go.