How AI and metaverse will change our lives | With @Lessofmore | Decode purpose with Avinash
so if at all we come to a world where everything is running based on the chip uh then we might not even sleep you might be continuously active like your computer is now on sleep mode thinking of it I'm not able to ask my next question you know I'm just in the imaginary world of this neuralink and what it could do and stuff like that it's amazing but it is not very far 5 years from now you're going to see all of this in reality so you can actually talk to the AG directly with your brain if you have the internet connection around so you want something and internet connection will be directly in your brain right it is not knowing that there is chat GPD is knowing how to ask the right question to chat GPD so that you can get what you need prompt engineering once the AJ really kicks it it will go beyond the what do you mean no one would would control such a entity I'm trying to buy this house uh I'm in us I can't see physically come and see I can have someone recreate this in a VR environment and there's a device called map where they it 3D SC room and I wear the headset and I quickly see what's happening okay so this is virtual reality it is not real there but they can see it but the metav is where I I can actually live here every day earn money here I can have sexier what not so you could actually create an alternate version of you which is what we call Avatar today and that Avatar could also live in this world you could not get the right Health but in that world you want the right health and you want to play all that's how a verse a universe which is very meta in nature uh that's how the concept of meta was picture but now the the touch B for metaverse is Facebook so I think that's what is going to happen but when is the knowledge you're sharing is just amazing people will not find this on YouTube heyes thanks for coming in and welcome to decode Purpose with ainash so so before going ahead with anything I would love to know what is AR and what is VR specifically to our audience who are like 20 year old who wants to know this in depth so what is AR and VR from a technical point of view AR is augmented reality so augmentation typically is always extension of the real world so if you extend your real world by something by means of Technology by means of Hardware software whatever it is it is typically called augmented aspects of that reality so in AR what they do is they bring uh the elements of data AI whatnot over laed on the virtual reality that we see the real reality that we see okay let's take an example if you look at the Iron Man movie MH so what Iron Man what Iron Man does in the movie is when he's looking at something he ask Javis what is this what is the license number or does this person have any tickets on him so immediately it goes in checks the number with the with computer vision goes to the cloud pulls the data back overlaps the data and quickly tells you okay hey you know what this is what it is so bringing this world of extension to the real world is augmented reality basically got it like you mean Pokémon go do you think Pokemon go is a part of augmented reality too okay what do you mean by part here part of so Pokémon go started as AR but I think none of the recent versions recently I was in Singapore the old people are still playing the Pokémon go there okay so now I think it's moving towards more of a mixed realities what I believe I haven't got a chance to check it yet okay so but that's where uh my assumtion is let's also discuss mixed reality after we are now uh coming to virtual reality VR is primarily a virtual side of real reality so let's define the Spectrum we call it the XR continum so before we go into definition let's call let's draw a line this line is called XR Continuum okay okay now on the XR Continuum there are two extremes MH this is the virtual reality this is the real reality MH okay so now from here as we go towards virtual reality there are different stages okay so the first stage is augmentation mhm so it it stays as it is we add something to it okay the next stage is mixer reality this is where this world comes closer okay that's the reason this is a mix of both okay that's the reason it's called mix of reality okay and the more far extreme is called the virtual reality okay so here there's no real aspects at all okay you're completely in a different world okay so take an example of uh the Avatar movie okay so Avatar where you wear a you you sit in a bucket in a box m and you operate a machine on a different world Al together okay so that could be your virtual reality in your mind inside mhm so and then we call Avatar typically as a hyper reality okay where you are controlling something else somewhere else sitting here so these are different aspects of extra Exar Continuum okay so what is exactly virtual reality like to Define it in a line or two if you don't mind everything that is fake okay or everything that is not real okay goes in the VR aspects of it okay so an example could be again um I'm wearing the headset and I'm translated into a new world of Mars okay so which is not real at all mhm U so that's where the real VR comes into picture Okay so without wearing AET headset we used to have that game called y City on GTA y city right is it also we are because we are in a fake world but inside a computer true in fact uh every everything that we created in terms of games are also Virtual Worlds we call them Virtual Worlds not virtual reality what's the difference okay so this is a world where I'm interacting with m in virtual reality you live in that you you are immersed in the world okay so the only difference in both is immersion okay now what is immersion immersion is where you involve all your senses senses so when you immerse all your five senses that's when you you are absolutely immersed that's how the definition goes got it now how do I immerse you number one I need to make you feel that you are in that world so all that you see should be the virtual world now in a in a in a game that we play only that small 20° field of view is the screen the rest is still that partt this tree whatnot okay so it is not fully immersed yet yeah so the way we are does it is through high field of view so the entire glass field of view will go to 120 160° okay so your eyes typically can see up to 170 to 180 140 to 160 mhm so when you Mo so much you fully immersed in the v virtual side of it similarly senses touch haptic similarly smell all Factory senses so this is how you bring in all the senses together that's when you're 100% immersed yeah we're talking about senses here right um you know VR right now I think is able to replicate touch and sometimes even smell if I'm not wrong can we replicate uh taste yes okay how you just need to put something on your mouth that's okay so taste is most easier all Factory is more tougher which one all Factory this smell okay smell aspect is more tougher yeah but again the the toughest that we are try trying to crack right now is the haptic yeah so when we say haptics today the most friendly haptic device available are more of hands and pressure sensors but really your skin has got multiple senses inside it it can sense the pressure it can sense the heat it can sense a bunch of other things okay so the your ability to give these senses in a VR world is the tougher part you have to wear an entire bodysuit and get it but this all through Hardware but if you want to go beyond it that's where what neural link is doing will come exactly I just want to ask about neural link you know can we insert neuralink into our brain and replicate all our senses in a virtual reality and stuff absolutely in fact you can just remove the body take the brain out give the feeding material in terms of blood glucose activate to that so that the brain can Now function independently and it can actually control instead of neurons connecting to our hands these neurons can connect to any machine or a computer with which you can control anything okay there's a possibility and it is already we're close to that okay that's what neural link is Al all about so can you put it in a perspective like what can we do like if we want to maybe cook a hyderabadi dum Biryani can we insert a neurolink chip here and be in a virtual world see feel everything about cooking you know hyderabadi Dum Biryani and just replicate in our own homes and stuff like that this might be a silliest example see if I if I really get to that stage I would not even want to create because I can directly feel that I have already consumed it okay I can I can just trigger the right electron electronic sensors there or or the electrical senses there okay so that it can immediately tell me hey you know what you are already eating bani this is the Taste feel it okay you can make it happen without even doing anything but then what happens to our calorie requirement like you can give just the saline water based supply of things okay this is the future this is how it is going to be how many years we I don't know it all depends upon bunch of other things but possibility per se we there so essentially what you're saying is with the help of neurolink and VR people will not eat food just for sake of eating food they just comes there's no need for VR is what I'm saying sorry if neuralink fully comes to Market okay there is no need for VR oh it make you always live in VR see the best example of VR is your dream okay in your dream nothing is real but the way you feel it is very real many times you might have in the childhood you might have just pissed just imagining you're in a washroom exactly the reason is it immerses all your senses right in the brain MH so highest form of immersion for virtual world happens in a dream okay if you can recreate them okay you will never know what is a dream and what is a reality this is what you almost call simulation M so when you put a chip in your brain you really don't know what is real and what is fake okay because that's how the brain perceives okay this is interesting because are we ready as a Humanity for that neurolink world where you know see many things we we are Tech guys we are we are the science guys so we don't right now worry about the feasibility aspects we right now worry about making it happen Okay so once that is done then the philosophers come into picture the Arts the Arts students come into Humanities people come picture and that's when they'll start looking at the feasibility the biases the bunch of other things that kicks in later okay so first let's build it then let's figure out how to deploy it okay so that's the way to way so all in all you support for neurolink and you think that is a good anything that's going ahead in terms of Technology advances so any sophisticated technology is where the support goes okay so that's how any engineer or scientist things what are the two ways this could go wrong what are the two things that could go wrong if not handled properly with neural have you seen this movie W no so check this movie anyone who is watching W who has watched a w movie uh if you remember the people will be in space station just sitting on a big bucket with a headset on okay and they will have huge bellies they can't even walk okay because they're just stuck to the chair they they're getting the feeding done and then the headset will show them anything that they want to show them M so it can make a lot of wellness and health related issues prevalent yeah it can do a lot of other things in a bad way but there always ways to curve that so today's work is itself an example so today we go and sit in front of a desk for the entire day and we get all those health issues lifestyle issues and Etc true what is the remedy for that go out and exercise that's all similarly these things also going to find their own Solutions yeah you know especially when we're talking about health and fitness I'm more worried about mental Wellness because when you're getting dopamine on a secondly basis right now at least you know we need like some time to get that dopamine hit if we want something you know maybe watching reads or something but when no neurolink happens the dopamin hits happens in a second or micr you know basis no what will that be for our brains like you know it's already happening as we speak so today if you go through your Instagram feed you continuously get to see something you you it evokes an emotion to you so every minute there is an emotion being evoked so some point so if you keep on doing it for more than 20 minutes at some point you feel that your brain is more not numb I would say exhausted okay releasing so many hormones and sensing so many hormones and these neural transmitters neurotransmitters it gets exhausted yeah so you feel that exhaustion too at some point but you don't want to give it up so this is the challenge that's that's the reason many of us could not stop scrolling at the night when because it gives a benchmark you know when uh it keeps raising your benchmarks your dopamin level so the only way is deic so it is like you are a drinker every Drinker now you have to go you dect it's the same thing that we we need to do de edict from the digital Technologies yeah so there many ways to do that I I'm trying a few myself yeah that's the way like what are you doing I try to I try to turn off my or put the phone away winding off we call winding off so I try to wind off my phone activity at least 20 30 minutes before I go to bed in the last few minutes I always sleep in a read so that has been a trend for me since my school and college days so I take that now I read five five to 10 pages by then I'll get the Sleepy numb numbness and it start sleeping so that's the way I figured out so essentially you know reals are at least taking 20 minutes and your dopamine Benchmark while you're using reels after 20 minutes maybe let's say on a scale of 1 to 100 it may be reaching 98 and it takes 20 minutes it at least takes 20 minutes that's a good amount of time but when neuralink is in your brain your benchmarks are above your control like it could be even 100 like all the time so at that point of time maybe 10 minutes into the day after you waking up if your dop Min already hit the 100 Benchmark and your rest of the day is almost win right so see right now we talking about imaginary things so which we don't know yet so if at all we come to a world where everything is running based on the chip uh then we might not even sleep we might be continuously active like your computer is now on sleep mode back in the day 10 years ago when I was using my first computer I used to shut down every night yeah no we don't yeah you let them sleep ex so it might happen the same way we don't know yet this is still a foreign area for us to talk about and I'm not a researcher actively engaged there so I don't know much of what's happening in the real world there but yeah this is amazing like you know thinking of it I'm not able to ask my next question you know I'm just in the imaginary world of this neuralink and what it could do and stuff like that you know it's amazing but it is not very far five years from now we going to see all of this in reality yeah let's see so now coming back from neurolink for for the people who don't understand neuralink you know in a better way could you just put it in few PP words like you know a define neural link and how it works in general see you need to understand how the brain works first yeah so brain is nothing but a a set of wires inside called neurons exactly we we'll have something called axom and Etc so it's it's basically wires inside so you have different no there wherever the electricity goes sparking it forms a it pass in a particular pathway so every particular pathway each goes there's a particular action that happens so this is how the brain works now we call them neural synapsis we call them neural Pathways etc etc when a child is born um we don't have a lot of neural Pathways created yeah as a learn they keep triggering or firing these neurons eventually those Pathways form yeah so by the age of 1012 most of the neural pathways are formed by the age of 20 they're almost Frozen Okay so that means your cognitive function won't grow beyond the age of 20 whatever you build is almost that very rarely for extreme conditions it gets better MH so if you have to if you have to test a person's IQ real IQ it you you can test it at the age of 20 because after that it won't grow much okay 20 and 40 almost same in fact 20 to 40 that it will go down actually so because now you neurons are getting older it won't generate so your your brain's ability to generate new neurons every day also goes down okay so that means your existing neurons are dying so the same neuron has to do multiple functions now so that's the reason this is how the neural cognitive functions go down as you age but luckily brain has a very interesting Factor called plasticity okay so what is plasticity neuroplasticity is what we really leverage when people go with Strokes uh people get a brain surgery where the part of the brain is removed still you you can make them evolve with the rest of the brain picking those rest neural Pathways in the remote brain oh so you can actually do that uh this is what the physiotherapy aspects of repetitions reps and Etc called okay so that part of the brain is damaged you keep making the rest of the brain pick those functions okay you can actually do that okay so there there is a case study as well where post an accident almost 70% of the brain is removed from a person and the rest of the 30% took all the fundamental scenarios they might not have most of those emotional aspects the character might have been gone but still the functional aspect function happily gets done wow so that's the best part about our brain okay now this brain also important thing is it doesn't take blood by the way okay so BL inside the brain it doesn't take the red colored blood okay so there are filters which will just remove the remove the essential parts for the feeding of the brain element brain cells and then it runs on it okay now if you can actually isolate this brain and put in a chip there and stimulate the new the electrical impulses the way you want it okay where the impulse has to come when it has to come so you are fakely creating those impulses which would rather happen naturally okay so that's how the concept of neuralink came into picture Okay so the idea is there are cases let's say schizophrenia or mental illnesses Etc one of the treatments is brain simulation okay so they put a small chip they put the electrical nodes and then they stimulate your brain through those impulses so your brain starts getting uh the missing pulses which will make it work better enough okay similarly people who have lost their hands and legs can be directly given a chip axis so that you can have a prosthetic robotic hand which can be controlled by the direct chip without the neurons here so this is how the idea of a neuralink came into picture but the best part is this if we are anyway putting a chip why don't we put a small memory to that so and and dump the memory into it like the roboti where you just read it or preo karate Kum Fu etc etc and you already know them by default yeah so this is the idea with which this all started so when Elon started the company called neural link people said it's too far but last year they already demonstrated all of this on pigs yeah I think even usfd approved it if I'm not wrong uh for medical scenarios for very specific people who have lost their hands or very deep mental issues that's where they started stimulating putting the ship sending continuous signals so a bunch of these things start happening so if FDA approved this like you know for medical scenarios how many years are we like maybe four five years still is only one company there bunch of companies doing it specifically for medical use cases link is thinking more of a generic use case Okay where anyone can put a chip in their mind but there are a bunch of companies and research institutes working on Pure medical scenarios okay so this is already there exos skeletons are already there so so neuralink in that we have memory and possibly a large language model or AI inserted inside once there is memory you put anything there yeah yes okay so how do you see the convergence between neur you can directly talk to the AGI the the artificial general intelligence so you can actually talk to the AG directly with your brain if you have the internet connection around so you want something and internet connection will be directly in your brain right you don't need like maybe a small for now yes so you want a question and it will be answered so knowledge will be relevant if you want to create a back end of an app exactly this is what have to discuss now so back in the day when when our grandparents were actually in the market finding jobs everything that they focused on is byting things exactly because they can't just pull out a book anywhere or take out the phone and Google things so the more they know in their brain the better the chances of employment for them are exactly that's how our traditional education system has evolved where you have to byard everything including two ones are two two two two two four so those basic tables Etc square roots whatnot yeah but now already we are seeing that no one knows those quick mathematics anymore no one cares about them because you just have a calculator exactly so and you can do it yourself tomorrow it's going to be the same for even engineering subjects or scientific subjects so all that you need to do is if you have information how will you use it okay so this is where the real cognitive functions come into picture yeah right of the importance or 30 years ago the importance was not on cognitive functions it's more on your knowledge yeah currently it is a mix of cognition and knowledge because still knowledge is very very crucial today but Tomorrow's World when I say tomorrow next 5 years knowledge no one cares yeah because the systems will give you the knowledge it's your unique perspective and creative M it's your ability to apply that knowledge exactly so the applied sciences is where the real world will move towards okay so no one cares about all the biting anymore and what do you mean by applied science here so applied science goes everywhere applied Quantum applied mechanics appli everywhere but we talking about application of all all the Sciences in real life let's take an example how does your brain work from from any perspective let's say for example I'm sitting here my senses are grabbing everything that are here yeah now once my senses are coming in so much information this is where my brain level one will start Gathering the right information together and uses that information to process things true and at this point let's say for example I'm trying to process a conversation here my brain says hey you know what in this ENT conversation I'm seeing some patterns yeah okay these are the patterns you need to pick up yeah now this concept of finding patterns in general aspects is called inductive reasoning true okay now you reason inductively yeah now once you have those general principles and patterns observed now your ability to apply it in a different situation altogether yeah this is called deductive reasoning yeah now while these reasonings are happening your thinking Styles also goes in two ways convergent or Divergent true so let's say for example when I'm trying to solve a problem I want to make something work here there are four element around me how do I use these four things to actually make this work so this is called convergent thinking style where you bring four five things together and towards that yeah so this thinking Stell is more prevalent in Sherlock Holmes and detectives and whatnot even jugar in Indian way when you say jugar I have a wrench spanner Etc using this can I do something else yeah so this is all the jugar or convergent thinking style got it then there is other thinking style called Divergent thinking style so these are people let's say for example there is this class what all can I do with this class M can I pour the water here can I make some drawing around it so whatever I can do with this if I imagine that that's called Divergent thinking style okay so this is very important for creativity okay this is very important to bring out Innovations M so in a country like us people would really want to appreciate the create the lateral thinking aspects or the Divergent thinking aspects okay whereas in a country like India while we appreciate creativity we also want them resource we have resource constraints so with less resources we have to be more creative and find out something else so we are the country where we have to use both sides of these things Divergent as well as convergent aspects so that's the reason our people have a different way of thinking and looking at things and that's an advantage which we are bringing to the general world in in general yeah so when you have no resource constraints you think one way you have so many resource constraints still you have to work as good as the other ones then your brain works very differently got it so that's I think from my own P perspective the reason why the top CEOs of the world are from India is because we have that that is our real contribution to the world is what I think at the moment we are conversent thinkers so now what you're saying is applied science is about how you're recognizing patterns from The Real World and applying them in the right situation either by doing conversion conversent thinking or Divergent thinking here there is one aspect Also let's say for example this is the information I have how do I use it yeah this is okay now imagining okay I don't have the information where do I get the information how do I get that information if you also have knowledge about that yeah so this is the reason why people say if you're really good at Googling you don't need anything else true but the problem is people Googling is the toughest skill people are figuring it out very true so this is still don't know how to Google perfectly 100% And this is a future it is not knowing that there is chart GPD it is knowing how to ask the right question to chart GPD so that you can get what you need prompt engineering that's one we call Prompt engineering today yeah which we'll talk a little later sure so enough if AGI as smart or in fact little more smarter than humans don't you think it will observe everything we are doing from hundreds of people's hundreds of perspectives of hundreds of people and we'll be also giving that applied sciences to us not only information it will also say hey this is the information use this in in this way because somewhere in New York uh someone did this so in newb you are here so you do something like this so you're talking the possible good about it let me tell you possible bad about it if a if the a wanted if the AG wanted something to happen it will make it happen by only limiting the access of information that you have what you see can be restricted by that true so let's say the truth is X but it will make you see why yeah that's what our social media is doing right now correct yeah so today people are doing it tomorrow a is going to do that it is bound to happen because a is controlled by a couple of companies in the world so they are not in our best they don't want for those companies it will go beyond those companies once the AJ really kicks in it will go beyond the companies what do you mean no one would would control such a entity okay so that's my assumption it will become an independent Authority that's what a means by the way for anyone who is looking at the podcast today what is Agi there is AI and the future of AI is the AGI the Bop of AI where it is called the artificial general intelligence it might become that one Godly figure which controls everything in the world you should watched the movie called Lucy and that Lucy movie climax is the possible AGI oh God and there is now something called ASI on top of AJ artificial super intelligence just like mimicking entire human brain 100% ability into a code they're saying you know that will be Beyond AGI for something like that so now when AGI happens and when neuralink happens and we put both of them in our brain neuralink will not only give the information but it will also give you how to use the information if it if at all it has the best interest in you that it it really wants to help you it will also give you that so knowledge is already relevant right now because of the AI Google and all that and ability to apply that knowledge is soon also going to be not that of an important thing because of AGI and stuff like that because AJ is as smart as human being and or maybe beyond smart so how are seeing this at one point I think human doesn't need to do anything exactly we will be chilling on a beach you know having a massage you will be used as labor by exactly AI might see us like a flies know they'll treat us like a [ __ ] or it might think that we are the harm to the real world of the Galaxy and it might just ter kill the entire Humanity just with one click these are all specul imaginary things don't fear guys this is not reality but a possible you know outcome so Jes thanks for all this so now the main point of this podcast is to actually discuss about metaverse so we talked about arvr we also talked about little bit of mixed reality where you're using a bit of AR and VR to get the best you know cognition or best stimulation possible so now what is metaverse bus word everywhere these days see metaverse as a word was framed in early '90s uh when when an author used used the word for the first time it's book in a potential futuristic world where everything is something else that you can imagine of that's how the book went on but uh when uh the real metaverse came to the World by through a company called the second world what's it called second world or something okay I I'll recall the name in the M yeah so that's where uh people could create an alternate version of themselves let's say in this world I am 6 feet uh white guy in the new world I want to be 7.5 ft uh something else so you could actually create an alternate version of you which is what we call Avatar today and that Avatar could also live in this world you could not get the right Health but in that world you want the right health and you want to play all kinds of sports so that's how a verse a universe which is very meta in nature uh that's how the concept of metaverse came into picture but now the the touch barel for metaverse is Facebook all the other companies kind of shut the operations in the metaverse aspects uh Google's Google Lens project has been shut off for some time now or they're doing it subtly uh similarly magically and a bunch of other companies HTC no one is really spending that much money now because everyone realized that it is taking more time to get to real world ro ro theal Investments are not really good the only one blindly and very courageously spending money and betting on it is today Facebook yeah which is again I would say mark C yeah the other entity that's going to launch their own versions of these devices would be apple but we have to wait and see what's going to happen there yeah so now uh difference between VR and metaverse is it any difference so metaverse so VR is where I can put you in a virtual world if that virtual world becomes as good as your real world okay and you you behave and live in that world like in this real world that's called a metaverse okay so it's an artificial Universe okay so world is a smaller entity universe is a bigger entity got it where you will do everything there parall yeah best example would be ready player one okay so if you look at the Ready Player one movie everyone wears the headset and then in a normal world but when they the moment they we they had to they in a different world playing targets challenges doing multiple things so that's the metaverse wow so we are is a world where we're going in and observing things and metaverse is like what if we could make that world as real as possible simple example yeah vr's best example could be I'm trying to buy this house I'm in us I can't see physically come and see now I can have someone recreate this in a VR environment and there's a device called matterport where they it'll 3D scan entire room and I wear the headset and I quickly see what's happening here okay so this is virtual reality it is not real there but they can see it virtually yeah but the metaverse is where I I can actually live here every day okay okay I can just live here I can have uh I can earn money here I can I can have sex here whatnot I can do anything here so that's the universe where we're talking about got it now that we're talking about six using metaverse and stuff how how are we seeing the conversions of six dolls having six with metaverse like do you see any patterns here because I feel people were depressed and they were not able to form connections as much as we are forming we formed in you know 2010 or 2015 because of multiple reasons these days now the dopamin hit which we talked even USA surve see there are two aspects here first of all we need to understand the importance of Pawn and Technology industry yeah so if you look at any any technology starting from internet as it is to uh mobile tech or 5G Tech or whatnot everything started and got exemplified using with with this industry called Pawn so first adopter for The Cutting Edge technologies have has always been Pawn industry oh yes so and when it got a decent traction and a critical mass that's when it went into the real world just imagine the internet speeds would not be what it was if not for Pawn because people are so struggling to find out figure it out watch them without buffering and Etc so people and it's it's the highest volume consumption in the world back in the day when YouTube did not exist as it was now so from there on when you start looking at those U remote devices or VR headsets and Etc the The Continuous biggest use case still is in gaming and the pawn MH so Pawn industry in a one in a way has been the propeller of Technologies new technologies that's part number one now part number two is more to do with the mental aspects of it so again as we discussed earlier it's all instant doam if you're getting something instantly why do you want to worry about it with extra pain and effort and so back in the day for you to have the the doam release of having a sex you need to First go out let's talk about us Market not Indian market you you need to go out find a girl try to date try to get the first date second date third date then eventually you start get there so this is a journey so it gives you slow dopamin level wise dopamin and the final one is the climax it takes the real effort and time as well so it's a process and it's it's a distant process today with all the tech and everything that we seeing here Doan itself is so regularly available so back in the day if you get success imagine your parents the the days when they used to get the dopamin is number one maybe on the salary day number two maybe you have achieved something B the school or college or so limited moments of doent release in a month for them okay whereas today we have same amount of intense moments in a single day maybe an hour maybe even more yes so that's the reason you get you you you you slowly start getting away from those aspects of dopamine aspects too at the same time work also the pressure back in the day the pressure point of view we are not really pressurized to earn so much uh in competitive peer world and Etc today someone is earning one L now I have to earn two someone has bought a BMW I have to buy two someone is taking a residence in a big Community I should I should buy one so every day the desires and aspects of aspirations are going up and up so the work is so much enough you look at the Japanese Market they are the most competitive market in the world today very true and because of that they are the less active Market in Sex and they are the less active Market in the reproduction right now in fact uh Japan Japanese government introduced six hotels right maybe it's that for that reason there a bunch of other things Japan has been always ahead in terms of animy and a bunch of other things as well there but that said uh Japan is I won't take Japan as a good example because they are not really good at respecting women they say women are still dolls and Etc uh they see women as second uh gener second level Etc Okay so that's the reason Japan is not the right example to take here but what I'm trying to convey here is markets where competition is going up okay where young people are seeing many things competitively want to do so many things there's so much to do Etc and markets where the dopam release is continuously happening this is where the reproduction of those markets are going down look at any market for that matter the first markets which are getting older and are not getting enough young young kids or children born are the markets which are again fast forward us Japan Germany these are the old markets in fact from a startup point of view if you're looking at these markets the next generation is all about geriatrics so tools and products for old older people MH because older people are not anymore 60s they're going to be 80s and hundreds true so that's the reason tools for the older people softwares and solutions for older people that's the next Market opportunity okay in those markets okay whereas in a market like India the youngest world the highest populated where China was 20 years ago we are today enough so our spectrum is very different true so we need to look at businesses very differently in different markets to go get back reproduction sex Etc two reasons one people are getting busier in their own life with so many aspirations unlike our parents chill sh and then relax that's not anymore the case second one over dopamine release in a day okay so these are the other aspects yes so now yes will this impact in a good way or a bad way it's a bad way everyone knows it okay everyone knows it so those who could cater it very well are the ones who are going to crack the system got it and believe me if you don't do it faster uh these behaviors will slowly get embedded in our DNA and this is what we'll be next Generation correct so it won't take a lot of time to actually embed behaviors into DNA how many years it will take I don't know but I think it used to take multiple Generations but these years things are going pretty fast when you observe a small kid uh let's say 10 years ago a small 2-year kid the way they act the way the cognitive functions are to today's two to your kid drastic differences so that means the DNA is quickly adapting faster and the next Generations are coming faster with more evolved senses and experiences of the parents okay so what should we do to prepare we don't do anything just just cut down these things follow those good interesting aspect cut down what things cut down dopamin release continuously okay so set your timers ensure that you don't spend more time there find tasks and create a curriculum for yourself where you you have prolonged delay of release of dopamin okay so you have to create those tough tasks let's say for example Fitness Fitness is a task why people won't do much is because you can't get results overnight true no instant gratification so people open it but they can't continue it because you're not getting an instant result but if you could spend that enough time to continuously get there that's when the result come delayed gratification also will give you a deeper result mhm so one of the interesting Concepts here is a challenge called 75 heart okay it's a very privilege challenge in the US market India also has done a lot of these things many instagrammers did that and I personally did it a few months ago what is it so it's a 75 day challenge where you have to follow five tasks every day for 75 days okay if you miss one task on a day you have to restart the challenge okay so this unlike many people think it's not a fitness challenge it is more of a mental challenge Fitness is a byproduct exactly so the challenge is pretty simple every day you have to uh follow a DI okay you have to do two workouts 45 minutes each one should be outdoor oh then you need you need to drink a gallon of water every day okay and then you gallon in liters please gallon means somewhere around 3.5 3.2 3.5 L okay got it so let's take 3.5 L per day in Indian environment maybe 4 lit is also good okay okay so drink 4 lers of water every day again don't do it in one go do it spr obiously yeah throughout the day otherwise there's something called water poisoning that's a different thing let's talk about that later so yeah this happens so these three tasks you take a picture of your progress every day okay that's the fourth task that's the fourth task okay now the fifth one and the most important one for the Young Generation is no alcohol and no uh cheat meals okay so there is no all you should not all love a simple cheat meal even on a weekend or anything else okay so it has to be 75 days continuously rigorous okay so that's the tough part so when you do this the amount of the amount of dopamine prolonged delayed version of it gives you is very different wow and it happened in my own case I have experienced that so this is how you you train your brain okay what happens after 75 days we all know we drink more alcohol we sleep more we not exercise because we are bored and you know we'll feel that we did so much in 75 days and we are worth doing more in that next 15 20 days so what's next that's right in fact that also happened with me so I I because after 75 days I got a chance now I started eating everything I I craved in the last 75 days I started uh drinking more so I did all kinds of those things as well but the thing is you can't forget what you actually were physically that that stays inside you now you would crave for that again okay you'll go back so certifi hard is not just a certifi day hard it's a program called live Hard okay so after 75 days the program goes like this so you have to go do phase one which is for 30 days take a 30-day break to phase two again 30-day break phase three and 30 days okay this certify three phases should happen in a year's time okay so exactly in 365 days you have to complete the entire program okay once you're done with it repeat okay every year so this is you don't even need to repeat it will automatically happen that's the idea so again phase one phase two phase three are even complex it comes with extra three tasks it is even more complex but the point is those who really want to make themselves mentally tough this is a good program to begin with got it so essentially what you're saying is to prepare for the AI world or metaverse world where dopamine is instant we we need to do these things as a person so that we'll be very perfect for that world see when there are so many things thrown at your senses yeah your mind loses the control true your body takes the control because you're you're craving for those small instant gratifications true but the moment you bring your mind back to control MH things will work in a different way got it so the the the the Assumption of doing all these programs is to bring that mind to your control again got it so yeah so now let's go back and talk about metaverse again so the one company that is thriving and betting all their money right now on the metaverse is meta like why Facebook or meta is so very important in the world of metaverse right now in fact the word thriving is not rightly used there so it is not actually thriving today okay uh Facebook's or meta's uh market value or the Share value went down to what it was in 2016 so almost it went back by 8 years now okay when the entire world is moving so fast it is going backwards actually MH but that's said uh see the The Cutting Edge disruptions would happen because of those people who doesn't want to give up okay and I believe Zak is one of those guys musk is one of those guys okay so these are people who went through the face of tough times and evolved and made things happen and because they have gone through that whole rigor and made those things happen they evolved as Leaders when the world saw the light of those things so I think that's what is going to happen but when is a tough part for a small company like us or for a small entity like each one of you and me uh we might not survive so long doing those interesting things we need that money to survive we need to figure out our own life so we will not survive until then but for meta with the kind of revenues that theying through ads and bunch of other things they have the ability to survive until the day happens so it is all that ability to survive until the day happens so those who survive until the day they are the they're the touch bearers for the day wow got it and two huge entrepreneurs here Elon Musk and you know Mark why do they fight you know recent the fight cage fight and stuff why do they fight like all the time on the Twitter and stuff why do they hate I really don't know what's going on between them but from my point of view I think it's more of a attention grabbing drama yeah that's what I think but at the same there are also certain uh inherence ideology differences that they might have because of which they have that subtle cold cold war going on but yeah I don't think it's much to worry about these are silly things and Elon Musk is all drama guys so yeah he he loves drama no he that's a byproduct got it for all the hard work he's doing great so now Apple released Apple Vision Pro and M meta has their uh Quest three going on so where do you see like do they fit they are do you think they're in the same category or they are in a different like ball game to when you compare with each other what's going on there if you remember the Continuum that I mentioned earlier so Facebook started attacking this Continuum from this side vers reality side yeah uh what apple is trying to do is to attack this from this side which is the augmented reality side of it got it but eventually both of them wanted to make it a mix reality headset so pH whatever meta Quest Pro recently launched it is not just a VR device it can also the cameras can turn on and it can also work as an mixed reality device whereas uh what is What's Done by Vision Pro it is fundamentally AR device but it can also be used as a VR device okay so basically both of them are coming towards the same direction but they're starting from different end points okay so we need to see which end point is the closest path to success okay so that we don't know yet so only once we we see the device handson that's that's when we're going we're going to know more about it okay so now AR Apple VR in a quest they're trying to reach the mixed reality and what is metav ver here see metav vers is a world which this mixed reality will be leveraging okay so what is IOS what is uh Android no no what is IOS what is iPhone and what is uh pubg okay now what's the difference okay one is Hardware the second one is software the third one is actually the content met is the content okay MH metav is going to be the content of it so VR is a technology VR is a tech Hardware is the the other aspect okay so yeah is Microsoft also doing something here yeah Microsoft has got something called Microsoft lens mhm uh they start they the first ones to actually use the word mix it reality when they launch lens they call it the the Mr device not AR not VR they call it Mr okay so Facebook uses VR as a word always now these guys are using vision is using AR as a word keyword so Facebook uh Microsoft is the Mr word okay again at the end of the day everyone is trying to create the same thing they they're naming it calling it they're creating their own definitions they're creating their own differentiations so we don't need to bother about those things got it so do you think uh since the rise of AI is happening right now like every VC is investing a lot of funds in AI rather than metaverse because it's a delayed gratification and that's instant gratification so are you seeing little bit of pullback in metaverse ARB Technologies because of AI absolutely so see what happens is investors are not Gods true they don't know they they also don't know what is going to be successful true but they also want to ensure that they are not failures when their counterparts are doing the success okay that means if someone is investing somewhere they'll blindly follow them so the most of the cases happen that way so when when entire India is getting funded on E Tech every investor unband a te so even if you have a zero product people get got Investments now it slowed down so same story same story is going to happen here as well so VR has its Day 2012 to 2016 was when a lot of investment happened on VR uh again nothing much happened big in the market 2020 2022 in those two years when meta changed the name Facebook to meta again people said okay something big is going to happen so they They carried on with that investment then they realized nothing is happening by then AI came into picture so now everyone start betting on AI see the way investors work is their fun Cycles are 8 to 10 years yeah so they have to make their money in 8 to 10 years so if something is not going to really be successful in the next 8 to 10 years they'll not spend money there okay they'll rather spend their money on invest their money where the success can happen in the next 8 to 10 years so that's where these uh AI driven Investments are happening today yeah Jes the knowledge you're sharing is just amazing people will not find this on YouTube like literally in this language you know in a very easier language firstly thank you thanks a lot but before that where are you coming from what's your story like I didn't ask you this question before because I want people to experience your knowledge first not your story because and I also believe you have a good story to tell so what's your story where you coming from if you could explain it in a minute or two my story is not very different from most of us so I come from a uh small uh town called ponu in near gur okay in Andra Pradesh so from there I went to pursue my engineering at gam gam University in vsac that's where that's where I I was trained to become a mechanical engineer okay later I got a chance to work with aent for an year uh that's when I realized this is the corporate jobs are not for me so I started my first Venture at age of 21 in 2012 U so ran it for a couple of years at Tech did not really see the money so we quit that and got a chance to work with another startup for an years or so 2016 we started this entity uh so since then four pivots happened the current pivot is kind of making us some money okay so that's where my journey has come from got it so from gtu to building a 50 CR company you know with uh you know headart Tech using Ai and you know little bit of gaming and stuff like that what is your exact company you know what does your company do exactly so the the the reason why we started this company is to is to bring new Advanced Technologies into the education Market okay I always believe that I'll tell you my own personal example back in the school in in porur where we studied uh most of the classes used to happen on the outo in the outdoors sitting on the on the mud with with a word on the tree Etc most of the class not all the class but most of the class we experienced that way so back in the day when we were studying lessons on Treasure Mercury I I'm a I'm a physics geek we used to have a chapter where Mercury you have to take it you have to invert it and then you'll see the pressure barometer pressure Etc I never got a chance to do that experiment Okay the reason being we don't have access to that much of mercury in a small school like that so many kids who really want to do things learn things in a practical way could not get it because of lack of resources in those markets and I was one of them okay so that's when I said if I have to do something to actually make things move practical so my first Venture was all about that surj and I when we started that we wanted to create the the alternate education system which is practical in nature but we real it is not that scalable the way we were doing it when 2016 Oculus officially announced that they're releasing a consumer version next month HTC announced that they're releasing a consumer version we said this technology might help us do something true and that's how we brought VR and we started working creating poc's on education side of it then by the way this is the time when buuse is still not something that is as big as what it was so no one really bettered on education or or a tech correct forget arvr is too far I'm talking about generally a tech okay so that's when we realize this is not going to be something that is going to kick off especially for 25y old with no knowledge in computer science orally you started this to converge attech with arvr so that people could understand it because you're coming from a background where you're not able to do those experiments lack of resources correct so how about getting these resources into your VR headset in a virtual reality or doing those experiments imagine the case I'll give you examp that right enough like literally people are not doing that right now like there's no company see there are two things here you could do something for the sake of doing it you could do something for your satisfaction you can do something which can give you satisfaction as well as money okay I I always looked at the first two that's reason I never made money and what I realized is if you don't make money if you're a small tree you can't give shade to many others if you're a big tree you can actually give [ __ ] to many others true so you have to actually become big first okay to actually do something really solid look at the best examples Elon Musk to anyone else they first built something where they got a big exit now they could pursue the world changing ideas true he his first startup is not something uh world changing like it is right now it's very back in the day it is still considered world changing PayPal but yes but before PayPal he did a video game exit that's where he got a lot of money that's a small one yeah very small but yeah coming back this is where we realize that you know you need to do something which you will get satisfaction in but at the same time you should also make money yeah now money making aspects some things are too early for the market you can't make money from it today but maybe 10 years from now yes okay now can you survive the 10 years doing the same thing maybe no because you don't have that kind of money or investors are not willing to give you that kind of money so that's when you have to Pivot so what you believe is people in in a mass scale can't afford that 60,000 VR headset right now to consume your education affordability is one thing usage also so are they finding it really useful I'm talking about my experience 15 years ago in my school but today now almost every school has got this equipment government is spending the money on practical aspects of things not everything but most of things so you should also see the social relevance at the moment so a bunch of other things also kicked in there but that said this is how we start pivoting we realize this is not how it works so we pivot pivot is nothing but you change the idea you shift your path so we pivoted like that three times and finally we realized there's a potential Market in Enterprise assessment space Okay so still a tick still doing understanding people in education learning Etc but now assessing what do they have inside in terms of the brain capability neurocognitive abilities Behavior personality communication knowledge so these are the things that we said can make money today so in that Journey we shifted the gears to building VR based Talent assessments by the way were the first in the world to do that wow and actually we got customers paying for that we were we were C we got customers like Accenture virusa paying us Mari Suzuki the very company you worked there is now your C it was my
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