One World in a New World Exploring Technology s Impact with Manuj Aggarwal
Namaste and in lak'ech and welcome to this episode of One World in a new world I'm your host Zen Benefield and this week's guest is manuj Agarwal and he is an AI innovator a thought leader a keynote speaker he's a Founder CIO and CTO of tetra noodle Technologies based out of Vancouver British Columbia he's a Advisory Board member for verify verify which is a app that they're developing to actually detect early signs of covet he's developed Learning Management Systems what we call lms's for several well-known organizations and institutions he's a member of alliances he's written a couple of books very technical network security with PF sense and we're going to find out what that means architect deploy and operate Enterprise grade firewalls and another book called learn Apache mesos which is of the beginner's guide to scalable cluster management and deployment really deep in technology he's also the podcast host for bootstrap in your dreams so with my business name is be the dream we ought to have some really good conversations about this welcome to the show thank you so much and while you have done so much I even forgot about a few things that you mentioned there so thanks a lot well good it's nice to have Refreshers oh yeah I did that too right yeah yeah yeah yeah I forgot about those things and we get so busy sometimes in our activity to do and we kind of forget about what we've done already absolutely absolutely so you know our tradition is to kind of dive into the beginnings of how you found your inner awareness began to explore it what it was like what time of life it was for you so let's begin there and especially you know with the Eastern tradition that you came from I would imagine that there's you know a really rich yeah engagement there so other time begin for you see uh it's very uh it's been a very interesting Journey as you said like I grew up in India where um all these um modalities uh especially meditation uh and just being more spiritual uh religion all of these things originated there and they are part and parcel of daily life there but uh it was funny that when I was growing up I was actually disillusioned by all these practices especially organized religion because I I realized that organized religion was more commercial and driving us away from what it you know what what it means like even as a 10 year old I didn't it didn't make sense to me that on one side they say you know God is Almighty it's all loving and then they say oh if you by the way if you do this thing you'll burn in hell so he didn't like sort of make sense to me and then this then they said you know if only if you like pay us money you know we will fix everything and you'll be fine so I was like that doesn't make sense um and I think that doesn't make sense to a growing number of people as well because they're all looking for something new something some way to connect spirituality is actually you know kind of everything's connected that's the base yeah yeah exactly exactly and so um but uh but just that act of confusion led me to get you know became become a little bit curious about what this is all about so what I did was I think I was like in maybe 10th uh grade so that was like maybe I was 16 or 17. I came across um this person named Osho OSHA if um yeah so then I heard his tapes I read a couple of books and I would I will admit like maybe five to ten percent of it made sense uh the rest didn't make sense to me at that age but it was different enough to say okay you know that means there are different points of view if only if I start searching I think I will be able to find something do you remember a kernel of what you garnered from that that helped you I think his his main message that I remember was liberation of thought and not getting tied down by beliefs that are not yours and that are given to us by Society by our parents and what have you he he you know again as I said it didn't make a lot of sense at that time but primarily what I remember was you know his message is like follow your uh follow the compass of your heart the GPS of your heart to to see you know what aligns with you most uh uh resonates with you most and irrespective of what other people say what labels they give it that's the right path um so that's that's sort of the foundation I remember and then uh what happened was like I I you know I I read it I was like okay you know this doesn't make sense to me I'm a little bit confused but anyway it sounds like uh you know uh there was some resonance in it yeah yeah there was a gentleman named uh Matthias Demotte that had an interview with Tyler Carlson recently you may be familiar with him he author uh the psychology of totalitarianism however one of the things that he said that he he feels like humans are really looking for and that's empathic resonance which is apparently what you've got even it didn't you know it was kind of confusing intellectually there was a deeper empathic resonance with it that you felt like yeah this is something I need to explore further yeah yeah exactly um but then you know uh so I had this uh sort of a little bit of a uh dabbling into Osho and then I sort of uh went away back into my teenage years chasing girls and and you know just just uh doing what teenage teenagers do and then I I came across a girl I was pursuing and she and her dad used to be into spiritual practices and things like that so just in order to impress her I started learning a little bit more about about that and then it started to make more sense like you know it's like uh taking a piece of the puzzle and and you find another piece and it's like okay you know that also fits here so it looks like you know this is this is all real this is all a reality because after you are disillusioned by religion which is so dominant in your culture you always are skeptical okay you know uh oh this is another theory that they are trying to push towards me but when you see multiple like multiple pieces coming together it makes more sense oh it does and you know the when and I find this really kind of of um very telling right even as teenagers when we're looking for another for mate right we're looking for to love and be loved right yeah yeah and yet we don't really realize that that's what we're looking for and yet all of the things that you're speaking of so far are geared to embody that yes yes exactly exactly so yeah it it's funny how life works at you know step-by-step process but then uh eventually I did find a girlfriend and you know we had nothing to do with spirituality like I forgot all about it and uh we you know I went into technology the programming and became this hardcore engineer you know Engineers tend to think in black and white like it's true or false where is the evidence show me the evidence for everything so that's what my life became for the next 10 12 uh years I I came over to North America started working with you know a lot of startups a lot of large corporations and that became my frame of mind right now in your quiet moments though right which I'm sure you had plenty of there was still that stirring that that inkling to want to know how things fit and I really you know in some way I admire the route that you took in in computer programming because it is exacting and there's an inner world I would think that exists among all programmers that's a much deeper one than they than they let on and that they're looking for that connection and the code that they write perhaps yeah that to be true yeah so according uh you know programming changes you from within because what happens is um you are trying to put together these disparate pieces of technology to work together into a system that work that works harmoniously the other thing that happens is you get very used to finding faults in your own work like debugging debugging the code or something I mean we're already self-deprecating enough come on right but but um but that's that that exercise of you know writing a piece of code and then finding you know 100 bugs in it and then finding those chasing those bugs fixing it it I think it removes a little bit of that rejection you know it makes you makes you um more uh uh you know it makes you more uh how can I say robust or makes you see life as not perfect to begin with you assume there's going to be problems you assume that things are not going to work out and you can you are going to have to you know uh use hit and trial to find where things are going wrong right and then there's a line out of Dune even that I find really appropriate in this and that's challenge change doesn't happen without Challenge and the sleeper awakes in that challenge right because of the inquiry the questions and the the exploration and the things I've known yes that often have a bit of fear in that as well because you as you're discovering things you're also confronting things that don't belong yeah yes yes yes yes so yes so so that that's what happened and then uh life was moving along um what ended up happening was you know along with the professional success I was getting a lot of problems at home so I I don't have a very good relationship with my parents and my my marriage was falling apart I didn't have a good relationship with my my ex-spouse now and then I had my firstborn child and I could not uh bond with him I could not have a good connection with him even even when he was like a a baby and that is one point in my life which sort of devastated me because family is very important to me and then up until that point I was getting away with my with me blaming others for my problems because we all have problems but I used to be able to say oh you know you don't understand me you don't you know you don't listen to me uh but now I I'm not able to say that to my you know uh uh you know like a two-month-old baby or like right up till like a few years old and that wasn't even Steve Covey with the fifth inside or fifth um habit that he expresses his first seek first to understand then be understood yeah and oftentimes we have this prescriptive this is the truth that we project on others from our own bias wherever whatever that may be exactly and we're less than vulnerable Yeah in our perception of others and yeah to reach that place how did you find it because it sounds like that's where you we're ahead yeah so so when that happened uh you know you are forced to look at yourself and say okay you know what is wrong with me I mean what is going on with me and how can I fix it and I went into depression I was suicidal um but I knew that I want I needed to find Solutions and so I I went to therapists and psychologists and and things of that nature but they gave me some insights but did not really move any uh you know did not make any major shifts in my in in my situation in that situation if I may um was it more of the kinds of questions that they didn't ask because from and I've been I've consulted a lot right and on both sides and I find that it it's better the more the better the questions it doesn't matter what your answers are to them or or the sense of you know giving something to them it's about hearing yourself talk and having that Observer present to observe the process and patterns of your thinking which then give you an awareness that you can change well I mean uh you know that is absolutely true the the type of question but at in the that state of mind when you are a depressed um as human nature is you we all look for like immediate relief we all look for a quick fix right so yes they are they gave me some insights one of the insights they gave me was you know it has all to do with your relationship because at that point I did not even realize what I was going through and then observing from the outside they said you know it's all about your relationships um because in our life we need to have support systems we need to have things that we can rely upon as as absolute truths or our foundations and I was like okay but that is my main problem I cannot have my relationships and you're telling me the the fix is to have good relationship so tell me how to get there you know that that's like um so the perfect question would be you know if you had something to change in your life what would it be and why right yes which is what you yes I'm in touch with yes so so as I as I was talking to these people they were giving me some insights but then um but then I I could not feel any relief so that's when I found meditation and and learning more about the mind and I also being and being an engineer dive into uh neuroscience and how our neurons work and and quantum physics and all of these things was it a challenge to look at and and be distinct about the difference between the brain and the mind yeah yeah of course because uh uh diving into these things um majority of the literature is all about the brain how the brain works and the electromagnetic pulses the you know the brain is sending so again as an engineer you start to go towards that route um yeah it's definitive you've got some structure that you can understand and especially having an empirical background right you're looking at numbers exactly exactly but then when you start to meditate and uh you know I've had some experiences with some really really powerful shamans and and near the uh near-death experiences where I are out of body experiences where I you know I saw my own depth and and things like that I was like this I mean I was really perplexed I was like you know this is not something that I can explain with the human mind like my mind is there physically and I'm looking at it and I'm outside so what what is going on I made this quoting but I think tall is the one that totally is the one that said um a series or a breakthrough is often a series of breakdowns yeah yeah exactly exactly yeah it's so so that was exactly it right like the the those breakdowns and then the Breakthrough or realization was the mind is very very different the soul is very different than than the physical and and uh the beauty was like for me longest time was okay you know the longest uh after I had realization I was sort of you know I I did not feel depressed anymore so that that was the good news but then this new urge of explaining these things came to be like you know okay what is the physical what is the non-physical how the hell do they connect all of this stuff right um and then there have been thousands of volumes of information that people just like us have experienced the weird stuff right and then tried to articulate it in order to share it with others is because it's so powerful yeah yeah exactly exactly yeah yeah it's amazing work and of course it started with the Vedas yeah absolutely absolutely yeah so so yeah I mean uh as you said the the thing the experiences were powerful and um I wanted to share that with others especially first of all with my ex-spouse and um and uh it's very difficult to explain these experiences and then when I talk to a lot of people you know about meditation about these modalities most people say oh sometimes their reactions are weird sometimes people listen to it and they say okay you know that sounds good but I don't have time for all of this stuff um some other people say you know my mind is too busy for me to be able to like you know even wrap my head around it or give it any attention [Music] let alone attempt to have a direct experience because that's what changes everything it's just acquiescing to the Opera opportunity and trying it yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah and and then um what was happening is like I was getting deeper into artificial intelligence so I was you know I was I've been building uh systems using artificial intelligence for last uh 15 years um I have four patents in artificial intelligence so I started to see how our mind interacts with artificial intelligence I actually I actually see artificial intelligence as a Continuum between our mind and and uh and the uh the outside world it's an interesting way that you you almost you went into answering your question I was going to ask which was what aspects of Eastern philosophy or spirituality have influenced your perspective on artificial intelligence and its potential impact on society yeah yeah so that's that's what I I'm I'm already seeing that right everybody can see it because um artificial intelligence is basically a a bunch of algorithms feeding off of the human consciousness so whatever we experience in real life we feed it back to artificial intelligence artificial and we tell artificial intelligence okay learn all this stuff and tell me based on this you know what is going to do isn't it's funny it's with AI it's the same like with chat GPT right it's the depth and specificity of the questions that we ask the inquiry instructions right which reflects both on ourselves as human beings as well well as that rich pool of knowledge that's now available in a different form that we can almost self-reflect with yeah exactly that's that's uh that's what you we can experience now but even now most people are just using you know chat GPT for like very basic things but I'll get into that but um but what happened was like this was around 2012 2013. I saw platforms like Facebook and Twitter and and all of these uh uh basically all the publishing platforms out there they are a bunch of artificial and you know they are a bunch of artificial intelligence algorithms and I saw how they are affecting the common Consciousness the collective Consciousness I mean um they uh how utilizing people have become products exactly exactly not only not only that not only that but it these these platforms are able to change the collective Consciousness change the perception um you know a lot of things unexpected things like uh presidential elections or major mandates were being impacted by uh by these platforms and basically these platforms are ai ai algorithms and since I understand how this technology works I am able to see exactly what what is what is happening because these algorithms are very very highly fine-tuned for sensationalism for creating that um you know a feeding off of the negative emotions of people fears and all that because when you create that then people engage with that content more they click on the ads more they stay on the platforms more so that is what exactly is happening now right so it edifies the programs that we've already received through most everything in our society is to fear the unknown or the other yeah whomever that may be if they're different than us then something's amiss yes so do you see anything acknowledging the massive manipulation of the societal Consciousness that you've just noted do you see anything on the other side of that that is either beginning to happen or is in process already see that is that is my work and that is how I have been connecting with people like you and others um because one thing we need to realize is that no technology including AI is malicious in itself it's the it's the human being behind the technology that is using it for their purpose and I've I feel like most people who use it for nefarious purposes they don't even know what they are doing exactly like you know they are not very conscious to begin with so they are just looking for profit motive and and what not yes yes right it's all about me what I can get what I can take from the world yeah and yet there's this other side that you know that we I think can agree that when to receive what you're looking for you have to give it as well you know there's this notion now that's being talked about it of what we seek is also seeking us yes yes absolutely absolutely how have you experienced that something that you were looking for that then you came across serendipitously synchronistically however that happened yeah so the so these these uh you know all of these experiences combined when I talk to people about uh you know picking a different path and getting this resistance and then realizing that AI as a technology has the power to change people's perceptions and moreover get them into a meditative State even if they don't want to do the work because I realize people don't want to do the work because essentially human species is a lazy species we all we all seek convenience we all seek the results without doing the work and that is what our drives the Innovation because we tell ourselves okay let's work for next you know 30 years and then I'm going to rest uh you know we have the whole well work smart not hard yes yes mindset now it's shifting to the let's integrate you know because we're recognizing there are some things that we just have to be practical about there's a process we have to go through and we have to be disciplined enough to be attentive to the details yes yes how do you find that in your own work and and how is that reflective of what you're seeing come coming with the use of AI so um the idea here is that now uh you know uh before the release of charge GPT a handful of people understood um what this technology is how it can be used and people who understood it they they benefited tremendously from it but now with charge GPT um the masses can sort of touch and feel it and see okay what does it mean but but moving forward from here here on out um what was going what is going to happen is that machines are going to have thousands of percentage of higher IQ than any human being alive or dead or whatever so the machines are going to be thinking much deeper faster and um with begs the question okay intelligence is one thing and and that's great that's a knowledge base what about emotional intelligence that's what I was getting at right so um as human beings that we we are made of these two uh these two aspects in you know our cognitive intelligence and our emotional intelligence so if uh cognitive intelligence we are not able to compete with the machine anymore I think that will be rendered almost useless almost valueless and the emotional intelligence part of it will become much more valuable so people who are more conscious who have the emotional intelligence they will be at the top of the society so there will be a fundamental shift that will happen that um people with with more uh deeper Consciousness and more uh ability to sort of you know empathize taking it back to your roots right and the calendar the Hindu calendar the Kali Yuga right that it says that we are in a time of that major transformation where Consciousness will rise and others like we're talking about and the interesting thing it's not just a Kali Yuga there are at least six or eight other calendars that you know the Sumerian the Mayan the Aztec the Hopi um the Egyptian all of those and there's probably more that are historically pointing to this time of Awakening we don't necessarily know how it's going to happen only the it's destined to and it's our experience of it now do you feel that there was a silver lining in covid that got people to begin to look inside with the obsession on self-hygiene and sequestration well uh you know everything is uh is part of the grand plan I guess uh kovid was definitely sort of like a test run if you will like uh you know uh like a mini mini preview of what is to come because because a major thing that I noticed during kovid was obviously people going inwards and and that is all good because I have been working remotely for uh 20 years so it didn't make that much of a difference to me personally but but what I noticed one thing which most people don't talk about is this was the first time in history that governments just gave Money free to their citizens and they said okay take it you know you don't need to work don't need to do anything just take the money and then be you know be happy that's a fundamental shift that has never happened before never ever so uh now this is pointing towards a a future where as I said when machines are able to do the work more uh um accurately and faster I think the definition of work will change for us like definition of producing value in the world will change um people talk about job loss and everything but I I call it job displacement or job upgrade where you know we will opportunistic times right yeah yeah because we will be rewarded for things that may not be counted as work today maybe we may be awarded for just imagining a better future or you know listening to other people or collaborating with other in other creative processes so in that I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off do you find that that also includes a Resurgence of arts and culture yeah exactly that's what uh where I was going because okay um historically also you can see like you know um during the Renaissance period in Europe like there was like about 300 years where uh creative people philosophers musicians painters they were at the top of the society um not the people who were producing physical Goods so so that kind of um uh that kind of society is going to be formed and then the other thing is um I believe that Concepts like Universal basic income will be the norm where you know not everybody will need to work um and the pricing of the physical Necessities that we need in life they will come drastically down because now we are able to produce them faster and cheaper so people will be able to experience whatever kind of Life they want I mean we won't have to hear you saying there'll be less competition more collaboration exactly exactly yes and then it'll be fueled by you know as I said like um I firmly believe Universal basic income will become a reality so it will be it will be basically driven by the internal motivation okay what what is what is it that you want to create in this world and if that means you will be you know uh learning music for the rest of your life then so be it and um uh or if you don't want to work um you know then so be it like you know these concepts are very foreign to people right now um but I think that's the reality we are moving towards well I'm hoping that the efforts I'm making with one world a new world for one it opens that door for others to listen to conversations exploring these topics that they may not have otherwise had access to right and and the weirdness that's going on inside of them doesn't seem so weird anymore it's like yeah I've got company now maybe I can explore that right and then there's also um for instance over my shoulder there's a logo for a Global Peace movement uh live and not live right and so this is exploring a couple of things moral and unethical moral and illegal principle the moral is being excellent human and we can unpack what that really means that's open discussion and you know intellectually humble and psychologically safe environments to do so and then the legal principle is about removing every aspect of aggression in the law for individuals clear up to governments so aggression effectively then allows us to move into a more Cooperative collaborative um even a caring and compassionate Society because we don't have that threat anymore now how long that's going to take we don't know however it is obvious that that's one of the steps that needs to take place okay people to step up politically and go into a world that's you know that seems corrupt Beyond any stretch of imagination and then begin to write that again it's going to take time and it's going to take really stalwart people to step up and do that the fact that we've begun is a great sign yes exactly exactly so how are you with the the current what what do you see your efforts moving toward and how do you see others in in your field that are taking advantage of this deeper level of intuition of understanding of caring compassion for others where where is this going in uh in the near future that you can see well you know the the interesting but unfortunate part is that uh people who are in the engineering fields or disciplines they don't understand what you and I are talking about uh obviously some do yeah because you're in it yeah yeah a few few do um but and people who talk about these different modalities like spirituality they don't tend to understand the technology part of it so I believe yeah there are a handful of people who are like sort of at the at the you know intersection of these things um do you see science being able to reflect that now like in in quantum physics and the models and the the math and science that's involved that actually demonstrates that there is a bridge and that spirituality has a practicality to it yeah so I see what happens is that people do acknowledge let's say I'm talking to a hardcore technologist or scientists they do acknowledge okay you know quantum physics is something that um that can help us visualize what spiritual experiences mean and and stuff like that but again they stop at that that point and they say okay until you prove it to me I cannot accept it so the only two ways are direct experience direct experience or somebody with a direct experience comes up with an equation that proves it then they will be forced to accept that fact and say okay now I understand it that's a really interesting perspective because up until now it's only been available by direct experience there's been no equation that can you know Einstein tried um others of his elk during that time frame also attempted and they also made the the comments that you know Nature has the secrets right we need to understand what those are it's extracting the math and science from that then that we're doing now yeah help us to move forward in a more Collective and harmonious way I loved how you you framed yeah earlier because yeah this was leading us to Harmony among people and Planet yeah exactly actual course of action or so so it seems because we certainly don't want to head down or continue heading down the path of Destruction that we've been on yeah exactly um but I I think um from what I'm seeing the evidence of it we are actually heading towards uh the right direction here because um let's uh let's talk about like you mentioned Einstein you know very very smart person but um he uh he was like you know in 100 years how much technology has evolved how much have we learned since Einstein so let's say there was another Einstein today they will be in a much better position to take that work forward and find that equation because you know we have super computers now we have artificial intelligence now we have more collaboration around the I mean I'm in in the time of Einstein if two scientists had to collaborate they had to take a you know ocean liner to for months to you know just just to shake hands and now you know you can sit uh across each other in on a zoom session and get so many people involved so so the idea is that technology itself is accelerating at an exponential rate and so as people are making uh these discoveries and as as people uh start to work on these first-hand experiences and trying to explain it um there is more likelihood of some breakthrough happening uh the the only problem is the resistance that we I mean for all we know the equation already exists in is somewhere in this in this uh space-time Continuum like right now right but the way that science has been set up is that you really need to be a prominent very prominent respected scientist to be able to make a claim like that and accept it by the society it's much more linear fashion rather than the non-linear or non-local which is where that direct experience comes in and you know that non-local experience how do you put a multi-dimensional experience into an equation and have it relevant to that direct experience well I'll give you a quick idea right like I'll give you a a thing that that has been percolating in my mind that has been coming in is showing up in my uh meditations is like uh until now even the science thinks that Consciousness is something produced in our brain you know it's like some some form of electromagnetic like sort of pulses happening with chemical reactions and and then Consciousness is produced but what if Consciousness is Universe what if it is like a persistent thing that is a form of energy just like gravity graph just like gravity just exists right and we experience it so similarly Consciousness just exists and we are just antennas um catching a different wavelength of that energy field right go ahead now now if if you are able to measure or quantify or prove with an equation that this Consciousness is a universal force in the universe not an individual thing that we experience that changes whole bunch of things so what would it deal with um patterns and processes then almost like fractals right something like you know most in pretty much all major religions there's this idea of the Trinity different names right it's still a trinity well where does that come from if there's a baseline of that where there's a Triune Force if you will that we don't necessarily know exactly what it is however we can see other models in stepping that down to a micro level of the proton electron and neutron now that still leaves out the hydrogen atom though question where does it show up well it's the most plentiful gas in the universe it Powers our sun and it's also the bonding agent for a DNA so and I don't find any there may be some but I I don't find anybody looking into that as much yet and that's something I discovered back in the late 80s right so there's this how do we articulate how do we ask the right questions how do we take this linear train and you know remove some cars or add some cars and get it to follow a different path with logic and linearity that leads us to that same place yeah so so what I'm trying to say is as you just said right like a lot of people have these similar ideas but also when you learn about how science works these days science works by somebody publishing a paper somebody else who believes in that person will review that paper they will endorse it and they will say yeah I have conducted some experiments to uh you know just to validate this idea and now more and more people validated it becomes known as the fact that we all accept right the problem the problem happens is at the first stage because if somebody who's who's working on this topic and they are not well known they are not very extroverted they don't have a community of scientists that believe in them their study is going to be suppressed right at the beginning it will not even see the day of light and that's the world we live in right so the idea is that this this this this whole Consciousness is um it's playing a game in my opinion uh of uh creating that resistance that challenge so that there is a powerful enough force that breaks through that and then well again it's back to what we seek is seeking us right Consciousness simply is and and you know there's lots of research and study and attempts at explanation um there's even a what was it uh Robert Bigelow gave a half a million dollar reward or a paper to explain life after death such a way that it's irrefutable and it just so happened when the gentleman interviewed me several years ago Dr Jeffrey nishlov won that award all the people on the planet that I could think of that that's well deserved of it would be him because he's been interviewing people in parapsychological realms for over 30 years wow okay plus this is a passion of the Zone where he's trying to understand Consciousness and how it works right um and being able to speak with a guy like that and being asked the questions that nobody else had asked to allow me to express things that had yet been unheard right there that listening was then present now whether everybody else heard it or not didn't matter the fact that there was an opening allowed that thought and the expression of the answer or the question the expression of the answer to Ripple through what I call the thoughtmosphere and for sure let me reframe that have you also experienced things that you've had discussions with either inside yourself or with others that are of such a apocalyptic magnitude that you saw at Ripple through Society in ways that were demonstrated through articles through Publications through um interviews or other things that yeah that's what we were talking about right have you noticed that yet yeah I mean you know um for for the longest time I've had this notion about you know Humanity coming together in Oneness and all of that stuff and the release of AI because I've been working with the chat GPT and its predecessor Technologies for about three years now so three years ago I saw okay you know this is going to happen so the release of chat GPT and the and the and the a reaction it got from the masses is is the biggest evidence that what I saw in my meditations is sort of the way it is it is unfolding it is unfolding yeah isn't that exciting you know and and yet it's like there's this desire for expediency right and then that's coupled with oh I just gotta be patient right because we want to push and pull the energy that to move things in ways that we know would benefit others and yet again there's that fifth habit right seek first to understand then to be understood because then that seeking to understand you may also find that hey it's already working all I need to do is plug in what I'm doing with others and it just magnifies everything exactly and so I hear that exactly right so you find that how do you see yourself and others in moving the needle well um see in my and I'll just speak about myself I I feel like um as I said earlier moving forward from here people with higher and deeper Consciousness will have advantage and if they work together with technology like imagine if imagine if the Buddha had access to the internet imagine if Jesus Christ had access to artificial intelligence um how much impact I mean in my opinion Jesus Christ was the best salesperson ever who ever lived he he sold an idea to over a billion people but it took two thousand years to sell that idea to over a billion people right and we still don't understand it exactly right but but now same way exactly exactly and here's the interesting thing though according to their teachings it still connect infinite intelligence is where we Garner everything from and all things are connected in that including what we create in the artificial realm because it's exactly official it's our creation exactly exactly yeah and and and so so uh from I think what is what is happening is I think at some level uh the collective Consciousness is um working with I think it's hard to put it in this way but I think we are giving rise to small mini Buddhas around the world who have the the who have this technology who have these modern facilities at their hand who can collectively create huge much much bigger impact than the Buddha and the Jesus and you know all of these people combine right and I yes I agree and I see that happening as well now there's also the in the creation of that there's the the one thing that we don't and we haven't mentioned yet which is the essence of it all and that's our being right which is what that Consciousness then resides in and allows us to um well what I came up with several years ago is we can't think our way through a system built on vibration we have to sense our way through it which is a different apparatus than we've been used to and yet now we're having evidence of that in the exploration of how people feel around those who have that being in place and are those many Buddhas or those many jesuses right and there's let me let me let me point out there um what you just said sense it right so that's what I said earlier as the machines become more powerful in thinking our sense our our ability to sense will become more powerful so um so maybe in the very near future you don't even have to go through an extreme personal experience to be able to you know say okay there is something definitely quite a relief for many right there are so many you know tragedy to Triumph stories and the trauma that that is in our society and all the things all the efforts that are being made to heal all of that what if we could just say Okay that was then and just put a stop block on it if you will and make choices from that point to include what works in a positive way and that's a real tough place for most of us because we're still you know even though we know that being in the present is the most powerful moment we can have we still bring in the past and future in that oftentimes and delude um diffuse and often denigrate the energy that is present in the moment when we don't have those considerations exactly exactly it's like the Eternal now we're free to create whatever we want well what do we want we want better things or we want a better life we want more congruence we want Harmony among people and Planet so all these as I said maybe you can reflect on this too that in these organizational developments including the virtual groups that have formed seem to edify this process is taking place when you're able to step back and look at it now granted most of us are still so in the survival mode on a daily basis especially raising families right we don't have time to explore all of that do you see that opportunity changing where the availability of the information and perhaps even direct experience is less complicated so I will answer it this way right like um uh if if uh if you have seen the movie Avatar uh you know um the on the different planet I mean the essence of that movie was that uh that all plants have a global uh Network and they they support each other um through their root systems and and all of that stuff right so and it spread across the planet so one plant is connected to another plant throughout the planet so I see uh the human Network similarly because everything that we are doing in our life is basically in my opinion uh is not to acquire uh the the thing that we are wanting it's about finding the person who can help us acquire the thing we are wanting it's all it's always about somebody else giving it to us you know because we we are not able to produce anything for help exactly hey how do we learn how to ask for help we're taught yes you got to do it on your own yeah exactly you got to be that stalwart individual that just put your nose to the grindstone and make stuff happen yeah that is just a fallacy when you just you know look up and look around where we got people yeah so so to to answer your question I think um you know just this uh this notion of using the internet using zooms using these virtual groups is is collecting people who are you know um at the same wavelength like again utilizing the example of Buddha he had seven uh disciples and it took them years to just like convert or pass on the message to few thousand people on foot they had to walk on foot on you know so imagine if they had like a uh you know a data center where they could beam their message to you know people around the globe and then they had Zoom meetings where like how much more effective that will be right so so now you bring it to the present uh world uh present time yeah of course like if people are able to connect they are able to understand okay this is what it means this is what you know and experience as a spiritual experience means this is how we fit into the world this is how science can be incorporated um all of these things they they exponentially um uh the exponentially speed up the process and and again looking at science we don't need to change the entire Humanity to change change the planet only four percent of the people oh only four percent of the humanity needs to shift because then it creates a ripple effect um right it's interesting you know you mentioned the term the time truncation and it has to do in my opinion with the establishment of Greater Harmony right the more harmonious we are the more we can get done in less time because there's less diffusion or distractions in it what I find really interesting is that there was a gentleman um in the Realms of ufology if you will he ran Canada's Project Blue Book right the US had Project Blue Book that's probably the most well-known well theirs was called project magnet and he had discussions with what he called people from elsewhere and one of the things that they gave to him as far as imparting knowledge was that their concept of time was the measurement in the change of entropy right so that's an experience that's not mechanical even though we do have the mechanical because the two you know the they have to merge or they're not of good value yeah yeah yeah but I find that just and this that his Memoirs were published because he never intended for them to be published but they were published in 1964. and there's other information in that um I'll just share it's bitly uh bit.ly forward slash capital W Wilbert capital S Smith and it's about an 80 page Memoir that is full of some really interesting things that are exactly what you and I are talking about and then some right and so these guys are like Millennia ahead of us if not more and they're just trying to say look guys you know here's your own progression and we can assist we're not going to do it for you a matter of fact you got to learn to get along with each other on the planet as one before we'll even enter the picture otherwise what good is it right because there'll still be factions that are trying to work or control other technology we can't have that we've got to share it we're all on one pan one planet we are one people we are all relatives [Music] yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly so how do you see that relativism coming forth in the near future and what can you recommend to others that they might see as evidence so that they would have a better reason to explore further for themselves Pete the the things in a practical practical way because if if we want to talk to people in massive we need to give practical framework so what I what I tell people is look you are trying to achieve something let's say you want to make a lot of money right go go back in time think about your life and say consider every dollar that you have earned in your life have you ever made anything yourself or somebody else gave it to you and the answer is always that somebody else gave it to me irrespective of how you got it you know you whether you put in your hours or you you know you sold something but that money came into your account or even insights right going back to the mind yeah when you have the question those insights those answers come from somebody you they come from you but it's someplace else some other you that you haven't become familiar with yet infinite or access to infinite intelligence yes um and it's still given yeah so so let me finish that thought sure so um so then I tell people that you know and most of the people they are always um going in the hamster wheel they are struggling through their life because they think they need to learn how to get that themselves but if they change their mindset on who did who do they want to connect with who will help them get that now their search is not so much a struggle but it's more uh a search for other human beings and talking to them and saying okay an action right so now they they seek that connection in self-interest and that that is like uh some things that the self-propelling engine you don't need to like push it you just need to plant that idea and then let them do the work and let and then on top of that you can use technology like artificial intelligence so imagine there was a Google search engine where you know you you said that oh today I want to feel happy who can help me in this world who can make me feel happy and just search and then you know seven names show up and you connect with them on the spot in real time and you feel that happiness right and and now you are building that network uh across the globe uh and people start to get what they want you know because they are connecting with people who are able to get them what they want and so that's that's the that's the that's the way I can see it it can unfold now are those getting what you want or need are those always tangible or there's or no a lot of intangible things well the funny thing is even if we talk about tangible at the end of the day when we boil it down we are looking for an intangible emotion like even if I you know if even if I like buy a red color or bright red color Ferrari it's not the Ferrari it's the emotion that I want to yeah you feel with it right now the the intermediate object which is the Ferrari and the money I exchange for it is just a it's just a way to say okay that is the threshold I need to cross but let's say if I meet somebody so in tune so beautiful so you know like they can just say a couple of sentences to me and I feel that same emotion then I can bypass all the buying of Ferrari and all of that stuff I just get it directly right and that's the that's the that's what the idea I'm talking about right a wonderful notion of just stepping into that energy field and feeling The Sensation that you want now is it right so I guess kind of what I'm I'm hearing and sensing from our conversation from my own exploration too is that there's this um bringing together of the scent it's like we have a operating system we've got a file system that has all kinds of folders and storage and being able to lock in on that sense or that feeling when we have it right we don't know what it feels like or sounds or the sense is until we have it but once we have it then we can pull that file up and experience it even if it's just going into meditation for a moment and remembering it which then brings us it's like you know the situation of conflict you know hit the pause button going to that place was okay this really isn't about me and how can I serve it better and then allowing yourself to step into that moment which is kind of what I see in the work that you're doing you've queried okay how can I best fit this evolutionary path with my specific skill set knowledge and ability and you stepped up to do so now in one sense I see that as aligning your frequency as well as your genetic code right or the soul and body aspect is it possible that we all have that and that when we start asking this these questions at least in that four percent perhaps more right that there is a particular for lack of a better um and I don't mean perfect but a perfected form fit and function in the world the fee that is that is part of evolution I don't own defied enough to say anything about that Evolution can happen are you experiencing that for yourself though do you feel that that connection that you've made in what you're doing who you the first of all and who you are yeah yeah of course what you're doing and the resulting having absolutely [ __ ] that okay good the self-awareness part was the first step you know first you you get to know yourself and then you say okay how do I expand that um that realization about yourself and and achieve the purpose that I want because because the thing is without self-awareness you are you're not even sure of what exactly are you chasing most people don't even know what they want um so once you become self-aware I'll give you an example another example like in my meditations uh after certain experiences what came to my Consciousness that was my mission was to use all of these things that we just talked about artificial intelligence a deeper Consciousness to help 20 people win the Nobel Prize that is my specific mission in life right and now that specific Vision came to me and now that is so much clearer and Vivid and and and and tangible than I used to think oh you know I want to change the world I want to do something you know like I want to make a lot of money or whatever that is which was from nebulous things right it's like we're talking about what's the specifics what's the tangible practical pragmatic activity that we can engage on an individual basis and then that turns into a collective because all of those pieces then fit in a larger hole it's like a Divine tapestry if you will that each of us are threats like going back to The Vedas right the unit of Consciousness we're each a thread of that Divine Light incarnate and they say you know that we're actually God incarnate and that's been that's a real tough one for people to because you know the religion the organized religion activity has set that aside and it needs to be brought back because if we adhere to that idea that we are infinite intelligence or Cosmic intelligence Cosmic Consciousness condensed into form and because we've lowered the vibratory rate to allow us to experience a physical reality it's still Just Energy it's just lower Vibes and what we experience as physicality this scene seems to be offering us a much different view of what our future can be like and I think that's the hope well that not not not just what the future will be like it's an inevitable future because you can look at history right it's um you can look at history draw a graph on History uh along the evolutionary path it's all been about consolidation it's all been about collaboration yes we are still divided but compare that to 100 years ago compare that to 200 years ago you know 500 years ago like we used we used to be able to like you know just take a big rock and throw at somebody just for a piece of meat and say okay that's justifiable right like that that was not long time ago right um so if you if you graph it out like I think we are not you know that's the inevitable future of humanity I would agree and I look forward to living it together yeah that's going to be wonderful yeah manoosh I I really appreciate the time that you've given the intelligence that you've shared the Dynamics the the expansiveness of connecting the digital and the spiritual worlds and how we might all benefit from that just by seeing that we could do this and and our Earth is inevitable exactly yeah no thank you so much it was uh it was very uh a deep interesting conversation for sure very good thanks and namaste and in lak'ech thank you for sticking with us for this episode of One World in a new world I'm your host Zen benefiel and I'll see you next time [Music]
2023-07-28