Brain Biohacking | Kayla Barnes Discusses Biohacking Your Brain with NanoVi

welcome back to brain biohacking with  your host kayla barnes we dive into all   things optimal health optimal brain  health nutrition peak performance   cognitive excellence biohacking  longevity and so much more   welcome back to brain biohacking today i'm  chatting with the principal of ng corporation   the owner of one of my favorite devices the nano  v i use the nano v daily sometimes pre-exercise   sometimes post exercise post hyperbaric and  so much more we're going to go into all the   details but today i'm speaking with brownie  gates she helped launch ng nano-v technology   and it currently oversees business development  for its use in health wellness and performance   rowena has been a serial entrepreneur since 1995  when she co-founded one of the earliest companies   to offer an internet-based  solution to the logistics industry   rowena received her phd from the university  of washington for her work on international   strategic alliances and regional development  while her collaborative approach remains her   focus has shifted from the economic well-being of  regions to the health and wellness of individuals   stay tuned i know you're going to love  this episode you want to amp up the   reset repair side of the equation even  someone like you perfectly healthy but   you want to keep that repair up because  that's what you know keeps you feeling great before we get into the episode i have some  exciting news i have brought on my first   podcast sponsor and this is taking quite some  time because i want to make sure that i'm only   offering you tools that are the most effective  and most worth your time i've partnered with a   brand that i've loved for a long time called  inside tracker i'm a big fan of testing your   blood biomarkers to understand the current  state of your health to then bio hack your   way to better health inside tracker is an at home  or in lab blood tests that will not only show you   your biomarkers based on an optimal range for  you but will also give you an action plan with   personalized guidance on the right exercise  nutrition and supplementation for your body   for a limited time only you can get twenty  percent off the entire inside tracker store just   go to insidetracker.com forward slash kayla barnes  again that's insidetracker.com forward slash kayla   barnes thank you for listening and stay tuned  i know you're going to love this episode marina   i'm so excited to have you here with me today oh  it's really good too to be on your show thank you   you're so welcome so i just showed my nana v  off next to me i keep it uh right at my desk and   we're kind of going back and forth um like when  we both use it and i was talking about the time   that i used it recently right before bed and i got  like over three and a half hours of deep sleep so   i'm super excited to dive really deep into all  things nano v and what this device is and how   it works so i want to start though with  your background so what got you into this   well i was originally a serial entrepreneur in  high tech all internet based software companies   and i was in international trade and logistics  and i said that i would just help and three   and i never left because nobody in trade and  logistics ever said oh you changed my life   and so it felt so good to be involved where you  could make a difference for people and so that   i stayed in it that was 17 years ago um that was  before it was act we had the nano v product but it   was another wellness product that um so it really  has been um it's been a fun area to work in as you   know absolutely i mean yeah health and wellness  and doing things that you can see a direct impact   on the quality of people's lives is certainly  exciting so what exactly were you brought in to   help with that first i was just doing um a lot of  i hate to say english translation almost because   my partner han zhang is uh german so that's where  nanobe came from it's a german engineer and he   developed it and his english wasn't as good as  his engineering skills let's just put it that way   well that was a really important role thank  goodness that you were able to help there   so tell us what is the nanov it is the device it's  if people can't see it it's about the footprint of   the size of a small printer and there's a tube  that comes out of it and delivers humidified   air and you're inhaling that air and what's  special about it is the water droplets in the   airstream have been adjusted by the device in  a way that ultimately makes them beneficial for   the cells in your body for cellular  function and we can get into all of   that later but just really kind of end to  end you breathe it and then it has an impact   on cellular function and after that  it's up to the body uh how that looks   so it depends on a person's condition uh what  impact is going to be most noticeable to them   very interesting and yeah just for because  you guys can't see it and you're listening um   it's an incredible easy incredibly easy device to  use which i love because you can do it while doing   something else so you can do it while working you  can do it while watching television if you'd like   you can do it while doing so many other  things so it makes it really convenient   unlike some other devices you know if you're in  a sauna you can't really be doing too much other   than being in the sauna so that i really really  love um there's a lot of patents involved in nano   v right what are you guys how many patents  are involved in the nfv i don't know the i   don't know the number because there's a lot  of different claims on a patent that um have   been approved uh however it's a it's very solid  sort of patent foundation for the device because   it's really innovative and new and it's  actually so new that the patent office   used our company to train staff  because they struggled with our device   and they wanted to introduce their staff to the  kinds of new technologies that they have to figure   out how to deal with so it was interesting we  had about 15 patent offices officers there um   you know learning things because they tend to want  to pigeonhole a technology with something similar   and ours just didn't fit so the patent process  was was quite long wow that that's really cool   though you know you're really on to something  when you have to teach them what you're doing   um so nana v creates easy water right it  does create um it does it it actually is   it's creating the um the nature of the water  it creates initiates easy water in the cells   and so it doesn't just create it at the device and  deliver the easy water and you inhale easy water   it's actually um delivering water droplets with  what are called these coherent domains and their   clusters of within the water droplets  they hold an energy state and when that   goes into the body's water through the  mucous membrane because you inhale it   that's what triggers the formation of easy  water on the surfaces in the body in the cells   and so easy water doesn't just fill up a  container it forms on surfaces and it it   forms at the site so if you have a protein or  mitochondria or something the easy water has to   has to form around that particle um and so  what we're doing is triggering that formation   within the cell interesting can you talk  a little bit about what easy water is   because i hear it quite a bit in the biohacking  community yeah it's really an interesting area   first of all we're lucky because we're in seattle  and that's where jerry pollock is and he's a he's   a wonderful friend to us and our company uh but  he's really pushed back the frontiers of water   science and he uh came out with a book that's  popular amongst biohackers called the fourth phase   of water because we know about liquid solid  and gas and his point is there's a fourth phase   and it's almost like a gel type of consistency  and it's this special water that forms   on surfaces and it's called easy water because  it's called exclusion zone water and it's called   exclusion zones because it it pushes everything  else out so it excludes anything else in the water   and that happens because the water molecules  are very densely packed together so there's no   room for any other particle any they use these  little beads that they measure things with and   all of those just get pushed out because the water  molecules are so closely packed together and when   it's in that state where it's packed together  that's where it's called easy water or it's   almost like a gel type of consistency it's not  the same as regular water although it is water   yeah it's fascinating when i think of easy water  i always think of like the consistency of aloe   vera gel would you say that or it's maybe less  less more important i think jerry would say that   that plants are a really great example first  of all they have a lot of surfaces in there   in the cells so there's lots of places that easy  water can form and um i think that these these   kind of really dry climate plants that have gel  inside um could be considered an example of that   um and that's one of the reasons just as an  aside for all of us biohackers that's one of   the reasons it's better to eat food their foods  that are very hydrating than to just drink water   because the foods that are very hydrating are  kind of carrying it further into your system   that's the understanding because they carry  a lot of water and it's going to be a in a   different form because of the cellular matrix of  the plant yeah that's a great point so just to   recap on easy water so is the the mitochondria  would be the surface that the easy water is then   kind of landing on yeah any cell component  now i'll be i want to be clear here   although there's been some research done to show  improvement in mitochondrial function with nano v   really what we've measured and what we focus  on is protein function but the cell has loads   of different components in there and any  surface in the cell will have the formation   of easy water around it it won't discriminate  and just pick out the proteins proteins are by   far the most abundant and the most readily  available surface for easy water to form on   absolutely so let's dive into that a little  bit deeper so when you say proteins can you   kind of break it down for our listeners  i think when people hear the word protein   they probably think of a steak so i think  the steak is actually a really good start   so we eat protein because we know we need it  in our bodies um and within the body about   half of the amino acids you need come from your  food and then the other half your body produces   and the body's made up almost all of proteins  all the tissue all of that is the is proteins   and they do all the work in the body any you  know biochemical process all of those things are   protein functions and so uh they're called  the workhorse of the cell you can't kind of   overestimate the importance of of proteins in  the body and so we take the the proteins we eat   and um they get shredded down into the amino acids  that the body can then use as building blocks for   new proteins and those those amino acids is it's  amazing what the body can do but those amino acids   have to be the correct number of them there's  20 options in the correct order and with the   actual correct amino acid used and your proteins  can vary from less than 10 to over a thousand   amino acids in one protein and just so it's  helped some or quite a few hormones or proteins   all enzymes are proteins they're just proteins  that initiate things and then if you think of   collagen hemoglobin you know there's just endless  um examples of it that people probably know   they're all just different proteins and then we  hear of some of the the receptors were going to   initiate some something or block a receptor with  the hope of having a pharmaceutical impact on   the body and those are protein receptors where  they're literally trying to override them and   the vast majority of the pharmaceuticals available  today are are using proteins are focused on   doing something to protein functions  in order to influence the body and so how does nanov influence these proteins or  can you tell us what what it could be doing to the   proteins yeah so it's interesting because it you  could think of it as creating a better environment   for the proteins to work for whatever those  proteins need to do they can do it more readily   because you've you've increased that exclusion  zone water that's forming layers and um one of the   important parts i haven't mentioned yet is that  the protein starts as this chain of amino acid   that's called its primary structure but for  it to do anything at all it has to fold into   a very complex 3d shape and of course going  from unstructured amino acids to a complex   shape requires some form of energy and it's a  transfer of energy from the water to the protein   that lets it fold and it's actually called the  transfer of entropy sort of thinking it think of   it as from chaos or non-chaos to chaos sort  of thing it's shifting the that how closely   organized they are from the water to the protein  and so all that nanophy does is it improves that   environment that that the necessary energy in the  water is more readily available so it supports   the folding then the protein can work  and what that work is totally depends amazing so when i use nano v um i definitely feel  an impact on lessening brain fog so can this core   i mean you know you're putting it right into  your nose so how can it correlate to the brain   well it's interesting it won't matter in your  system whether uh where you put it in the nose   and the brain are close to each other or not  because of the way the energy is transferred   across the water in the system so it will help  your foot as readily as it will help your head   but it's very interesting what you're saying  because there's there's so many of us that   are using our brains it's good that you're like  challenging your brain uh and it's also good to   get accelerated repair in the brain because you  don't want free radical damage oxidative stress   to accumulate in the brain you don't want it  anywhere but especially in your brain and so when   you've really pushed yourself intellectually it's  similar to pushing yourself physically you can run   a marathon with your brain and therefore you want  to recover and restore it and so the navy can give   almost a little buzz like a bit of clarity and  and so on um because it's just initiating the   repair that's what your body needs repair any  of that oxidative damage in the in the brain yeah i i love it for that so you mentioned free  radicals and oxidative stress can you tell us what   free radicals are well that is um let's go back a  little bit that they're formed even there's lots   of ways that they can be formed but even breathing  creates free radicals you could think of it   oxidation is like the exhaust from running  the engine of a car you can't avoid it and   the free radicals are damaging molecules and  they can be mitigated they can be interrupted by   antioxidants so they don't do damage so you get  that reactive oxygen species as their free radical   if it meets an antioxidant before it damages  a cell component it'll be neutralized   and then um but it's never perfect because  there's always been aging as long as we know   there's always this more damage than there  is repair and so that's why um you want to   amp up the reset repair side of the equation even  someone like you perfectly healthy but you want to   keep that repair up because that's what you know  keeps you feeling great and if you're already more   on the recovery side you've already you know have  some chronic condition or something then regaining   the repair and and improving that side of the  equation is is going to be incredibly helpful   and then the last group is performance athletes  where um or any kind of high performer where they   they stress the body a lot with that performance  and then you want to also give it extra repair yeah and i i didn't tie it together with that  of you but that um when i said with oxidative   stress damage that's one of the highest priorities  for your protein activities is to repair damage   especially if it's in the dna but it's this  ongoing process is is your protein function   is going to be in there repairing damage and so  proteins themselves are damaged and they also   do all of the repair work and that's why nanow  has such a big impact on oxidative stress damage   absolutely that's another one of the the  key benefits that i talk about a lot because   especially people i think that are  really um i don't know maybe type a   and that are bio hackers you know we want to  burn the the candle at all ends from working   out hard to being successful and performing  well in in our careers and our fields so i   think it's so important that we prioritize  that recovery and even some of the the bio   hacks you know that um i do i know that they can  produce some oxidative stress at some point so   um i think it's okay in manageable levels and  especially if i'm using something like the nano v   to go in and help um reduce those oxidative stress  levels so i think that's that's really interesting   does the nano v so we talked about the proteins  but what about protein folding doesn't it somehow   um help the protein folding exactly that's  exactly what it does that's sort of our claim   to fame actually because um it's so important that  they fold in order to function and also that they   fold correctly and don't end up misfolded  or left unfolded because those are really   like those are at the heart of neurodegenerative  diseases you can't you want your proteins to be   working correctly you can't just let them  accumulate in plaques and and you know it's just problems in the brain  especially is where that's noticeable   and so we um we we really just  help with that folding process   um to get it from the chain of amino acids into  the folded shape that can actually function   and then after that the body takes over and i  think your um comment about getting deep sleep   is really interesting because that's one example  of um when the body has a little extra help what's   it going to do and probably in your case it  helps to balance the autonomic nervous system   which is something you can always see with this  devices people will come out of the stress mode   and then later with monitoring later on they  start to increase the parasympathetic side   but if you balance your autonomic nervous  system calming then that fosters better sleep great because that was gonna be my  next question i was gonna ask you know   what do you think the mechanism was that was  promoting my deep sleep because of course   especially for someone like me once we see that  once we want to replicate it time and time again   um and i told you that my friend  reached out and says he runs it for   like 90 minutes and he is you  know able to replicate that super   deep sleep um with nanavi which is is definitely  amazing so we've talked about how nanabe can help   with the proteins and sleep and kind of brain  health but what about longevity benefits of   nano v so of course it'll be along the same lines  but how do you see nana playing into longevity um   it's interesting longevity is a tricky one  of what actually makes you live longer versus   what lets you live healthier and more vital and so  on we claim the latter because we can prove that   um the former we don't have that evidence and  that's that's still um out there uh and so that's   also something that theme and biohacking is like  i don't necessarily have to live forever but i   want to feel good the whole time i'm alive  you know and both mentally and physically   so um but definitely with the healthy  aging um high performance we have   people that are you know way too old to be doing  what they're doing and performing at the top level   and it's just it's just remarkable what's possible  and and i just applaud those people and yeah keep   doing this you know yeah i i absolutely love that  and it's um very very cool so what about some um   biomarkers or different studies that you guys  have done with the nano v have you guys done any   biomarker testing around i know you guys have a  lot of research can you talk a little bit about it   yeah yeah we have a lot of research and um one  thing is with biomarkers basically anything   you're testing if you're using blood urine markers  those are it's you know those are likely to show   differences uh the bigger thing is whether  there are other confounding factors or not   right because if you know your cat died or  something that that's you could have more   oxidative stress than if if everything was fine  and so those individual biomarkers that people do   those are just more kind of interesting and  they're informing the individual but they're   not a study like it's not science and so we really  uh went on the science side and we've verified the   devices producing and doing exactly what we say  it is with the water humidity that's known to   have the impact that we have on the body and so  we've tested both the device and the humidity and   then the impact on the body we've had a big study  done on proteins showing different types of damage   to different types of proteins and the three  areas of damage are either chemical oxidation or   heat damage so they take these proteins injure  them measure their base level and then they treat   them either with a sham device which is turned off  inside but still produces the exact same humidity   and everything or an active device which is nano  v and the remote the results are really stunning   i mean these proteins do far better with nano v  and they do it for all types of damage there is   variation amongst the different proteins and  also amongst like some things for oxidation   if you um if you pre-treat or post treat that  was not something they also measured it doesn't   matter they're both beneficial so you can so  that suggests natalie's preventative of damage   uh but with heat if you pre-treat and then you  damage the protein by heat it doesn't help it post   treating helps a lot and so you have to look at  it that is there's so much complexity in the body   but the study is able to pick  up you know some of that nuance   and certainly strong evidence that  it has both a preventative rule   uh protecting protein function and also helping  to repair it faster so that you get a much higher   number of proteins that are viable uh for  the nano v device versus the sham device   and so that's that's the first area and then the  other is on um with a placebo device with athletes   showing that was a university study on athletes  where they used an all-out exertion test to   create oxidation in the system because you're  metabolizing so much oxygen that you have   oxidative damage and then they looked at the um  it was double-blind placebo-controlled and they   looked at the the placebo device versus the active  device and those results are quite stunning the um   it for this study with those athletes there was  17 percent less blood lactate uh when the nano   vita was used preventatively before the exertion  test and um then there was also they showed that   there was a higher immune response so basically  your immune system was kicking into recovery mode   substantially higher with the nano v device versus  the placebo device and so that's what we want we   want faster recovery we want that thing amped  up and it's going to be we haven't studied the   brain in that context but it will be similar with  the brain where you want it to recover quickly   when you've burnt a lot of oxygen concentrating  um so you could extrapolate to that   and then we've also looked at oxidative stress  damage heart rate variability standard it's easy   to measure the difference heart rate variability  is an indicator of the autonomic nervous system   so stress and um you know they say  what did they say um rest and digest   as opposed to stressed or stay  and play or something um and then   dna studies looking at the dna damage which is  the hard kind of dna but damage to fix which is   double strand breaks and so that was a small study  but it was compelling uh the range was between uh   15 and 34 percent less dna damage when  the nano v was incorporated for a week   wow that's incredible and so they were doing  in that study they were doing nano v before   after or both after and they were all endurance  athletes it was done at an olympic training center   amazing so when you talk about the heat stress  is that related to an athlete maybe heating   up the body internally or is that talking  about potentially like the sun heat stress   um heat it could be both it could be both for an  athlete and that's in addition to the oxidation   okay so so interesting so what are athletes using  for their protocol then for the most part i mean   of course everyone's going to be different  but if you had to have like the perfect nano v   protocol say i'm actually going to go to  the gym after we get off this um after we   finish up the podcast so what would be optimal  for me if i'm going to do a hard workout um   ideally you use it before and after most athletes  use it after if you use it before you can expect   better performance and so that might be more reps  in the same amount of time or more speed or more   endurance or even as simple as feeling better  at the end of a routine that you normally do   and the the guy who used to be the ceo of  upgrade labs when it was bulletproof labs   um he was very keen to make sure nano v was in the  opening of labs because he reduced his hill climbs   by 20 percent and he'd done it for years you know  he knew his numbers and your bicycle measures it   and so that's the kind of  difference that some people will see   and then using it before makes a lot of  sense if you're looking for performance   always after it is great for recovery and the  research supports both um the one exception is   for the biohackers out there who are looking for  hormaesis then what they're trying to do is is   stress the body so the body ups it's game to you  know to make it stronger and in that case they   should wait a few hours before they use the nano  v for recovery otherwise it's counterproductive   because they're trying to create all that stress  and so then if they wait maybe two three hours   then they help the body bounce back after it's  gone through that period of saying hey wait a   minute i gotta get i gotta kick into gear  here i'm not i'm not performing at level   those are very rare and it was a it was  something that's pretty common a few years   ago that people would be concerned about  and now um we don't hear about it so much   but there are there are certainly  people who are are working   you know kind of within that training regime and  in that case they would delay the use of nano v   yeah that makes a lot of sense um i think that  we touched on this before but if you you know i   go in the hyperbaric chamber pretty often i was  in there for about an hour and 20 earlier just   doing some work but what what is the perfect nano  v hyperbaric oxygen therapy protocol look like   we have a lot of centers using  it they get better outcomes   and all but one uses it after because there's two  reasons for that you've done the oxidative damage   because you've pressed more oxygen at the system  and so why not address that right away and you   know give yourself a little boost but the other  reason is interesting when you're in hyperbaric   it can be an up to an hour later that your your  systems can be flooded with oxygen when you come   out of it it doesn't just disappear from the  system well nano feed doesn't add oxygen but   it helps with oxygen utilization so when you come  out within that hour if you're using the nano v   then you're gonna get extra benefit from  the hyperbaric session so you can like amp   up your value of your hyperbaric system  without adding more oxidative damage   yeah that's really smart i'm gonna have to tweak  my protocol a bit because i was doing i told you   i was doing the enemy at night because i want to  improve my sleep but maybe i should start doing   nano v once after the hyperbaric chamber and then  before bed as well can can you overdo it or no   you cannot overdo it but i would  definitely if you have to choose   definitely use it after hyperbaric i think  every hyperbaric center should have one or many   but then yeah and then at night um that  i think that's such a great idea um   you cannot overuse it because of the way it works  it's not like adding a substance like oxygen or   or anything um that can  override the way the body works   it is just playing a supporting role and so that  makes it um it's so that it's not problematic   um and it also is what makes it so complementary  to virtually any of the other biohacks out there   and certainly you know hyperbarics it's  used a lot in conjunction with cryo or pemf   or any of the brain training 40 years  of zen uses it during their cap training   because they get better performance people's  brains function better for their training   um and so it's it's very complimentary with the  other with you know other things that people   are doing absolutely yeah i definitely agree so  we talked about a couple of protocols so maybe   a pre-gem protocol um post-hyperbaric  protocol but if you're kind of just an   average user wanting to upgrade your performance  what would you is there a ideal time of the day   is it nice to start your day off with it in the  morning maybe if it's at your desk or obviously   if you want to do some end of one experiments and  try to up your sleep i highly recommend using it   before bed but what are your favorite times to  use it or what do you recommend the protocol be   i essentially use it as my meditation timer in the  morning and then i have it at my desk during the   day and i use it i just use it whenever i don't  um i don't worry about if it's on for a long time   and now i'm going to start trying doing it more  right before bed but i think the most important   thing is that it fits into somebody's  schedule and some people will use it on   stationary exercise equipment because they're  trying to stack things and spend less time   and so my kind of favorites if you can set it up  with your stationary equipment if you use that   and then if you can use it at your desk doing  email you know texting social media whatever   it's great because it's it's easy  to just add into the day and um those are sort of my favorite times if you  can do that and then aside from that it's not   if you're using it regularly it's not that  you have to use the same time every day or   um one time of day is going to be a lot better  than another because if you're using it daily it's   it's supporting your system  even when you're not using it   and so it kind of carries from one day to the  next and you have this ongoing advantage of it   so if you can only use it sporadically that's when  it's more important to use it like after exercise   or you know however you want to incorporate it  to to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish   yeah that makes a lot of sense absolutely   so i feel like we've gone over some of  my main pillars you know anti-aging sleep   athletic performance um obviously what  the nano v is and talked a little about   a little bit about easy water is there anything  else that you think that the audience should know i i actually think we've really covered  things fairly well i feel like i should   think of something that we haven't talked about often people are interested in pricing and  it it's an it's not an inexpensive machine   over time it is because you're not paying every  month for the supplement or something you know   uh so over time it's it is inexpensive but  initially there's an investment up front um and   for for people that you know we will try to work  it out and make it work for people as best we can   so yeah absolutely and i actually have and  i'm gonna include it in the show notes but   i of course um have a link with you guys so n3corp  dot backslash kayla barnes so i'll make sure to   include that and that has you know some of the  reasons why i love the device and it has a lot of   other scientific studies and data for people  interested in really you know diving into that but   um rowena it's been such a pleasure to have  you here today and you know i just am grateful   for your friendship and grateful for nanavi and  the whole nine yards so i really appreciate it   oh it's such a pleasure it's  uh i love what you're doing   and i so appreciate everything you've built so we  look forward to more great things in the future   oh absolutely i completely agree hacking was  created and is hosted by kayla barnes this podcast   is for informational purposes only and views  expressed on this podcast are not medical advice   this podcast including kayla barnes does not  accept responsibility for any possible adverse   effects from the use of the information contained  herein opinions of their guests are their own   and this podcast does not endorse or accept  responsibility for statements made by guests   this podcast does not make any representations  or warranties about guest qualifications or   credibility individuals on this podcast may have a  direct or indirect financial interest in products   or services referred to herein if you 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