State of Surveillance: Police, Privacy and Technology

State of Surveillance: Police, Privacy and Technology

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Funding. For this program is provided by the Gruber, Family Foundation. And by. The members of KQED a. Co-production. Of KQED, and the Center for Investigative Reporting. Cutting-edge. Technologies. Changing, the way police fight crime what, we essentially do is a live version of Google Earth only, with a full TiVo capability. We. Basically kept it pretty hush-hush, the. Power to track more people, and data than ever before, we. Worth its weight in gold, the, biggest concern, is that anybody. Could end up being in that database. Where. To draw the line between security, and privacy, there. Is a trade-off. Still. Here placing a. Look. At the spate of surveillance. Hello. And welcome to this special presentation state, of surveillance I'm Thuy, vu last. June we learned the National Security Agency. Has been collecting, Americans, phone records and email, for years, as the national conversation continues. About the federal government's, access to private information, local. Law enforcement in, California, are experimenting. With new crime-fighting. Tools eyes, on the street and in the skies feeding. Images, to command, centers amanda, pike with the Center for Investigative Reporting, shows. Us some of the new technologies, now being tested. Officer. Rob Halverson of the Chula Vista Police Department, is testing a technology, that could change how police fight crime. Hi, Corky tell them he's. On a call to verify the identity of a woman just arrested, for possession of narcotics. He. Doesn't need to ask her name or check her ID he, just takes her picture. Look. Here please, his. Tablet, uses facial recognition software. To, find the suspects, mugshot in criminal history, you. Can lie about your name you can lie about your date of birth you'll I bought you a dress but tattoos. Birthmarks, scars don't lie police. Have access, to more data than, ever before, raising, questions about, how that information is, used and stored the. Tablet, is part of a pilot program in San Diego County it's. Been very helpful and some people, just have to have the threat of okay, you don't want to tell us who you are we're, just going to take a photo of you and we're going to be able to compare and then when people kind of realize the technology, we now have they're, more. Likely to tell us their real name in that. More, and more police, are using biometrics. Biological. Markers from face scans and palm prints in addition, to fingerprints, to identify suspects. Fingerprints. Themselves, have been revolutionized. Now. They're taken on a mobile scanner. They're. Sent thousands, of miles away to this highly secure FBI complex, in West Virginia. This, is next-generation, identification. These. Servers, are the heart of the FBI's, next-generation. Identification. Program or ng I officially. Launching, this summer the billion dollar program will add facial, scans and other biometrics. To the existing, trove of, 137. Million fingerprints. These. Computers, analyze, each fingerprint, and photo that, officers, send, comes. To these servers and these, servers actually do, the searches, the, 137. Million of them and then, if they get a hit they go down to pick some information, out of the storage to send the criminal history back to the querying officer. This. Data center runs up to, 160,000. Searches a day, it's. A big one you can picture it as being a football field on top, of another football, field. The. FBI has been collecting, fingerprints, since the early 1900s. Prints. Were originally, checked by hand and it could take months to find a match. Now. Computers, do the same work in minutes. But. Until recently the, FBI had, no easy way to search palm prints and mug shots taken, at the time of arrest, that.

Frustrated. Agents, like Jeremy wilts the acting assistant director, of criminal justice information, services, we. Could do very little with the, mug shots that. We had if we, were collecting palm prints we, could do very little with those we had nothing that really searched those so, if an unsolved crimes you would struggle and be able to search that self so insert. Ngi. Any. Local. Law enforcement officer connected, to ngi can submit an image and get a list of faces with matching features so, these would be the candidates, that would come back. The, FBI is also adding, iris scans to the database because each person's, eye contains, a unique pattern that's easy to capture. For. Wilts the real value of n GI is solving, cold cases, think. About how powerful that is I can't, wait till those success stories come out we, worth its weight in gold of why. We developed ng I the. Biggest concern, and, what, people need to know about next-generation, identification. Is that. Anybody. Could end up being in that database. Jennifer. Lynch is a lawyer with the Electronic, Frontier Foundation which. Is suing, the FBI to find out exactly, what data the agency, is collecting, the, way that ngi is set, up the FBI has said is that they're just including, mug shots but, that is really just a policy, that the FBI has taken there's no law that says that they, have to limit, the. Inclusion, of images, to mug shots the. FBI, acknowledges. That it's facial recognition system, sometimes, Flags, the wrong people. 15%, of the time the suspect won't, be among the top 50, hits those. People, whose face, images, come up suddenly. Have to prove, their, innocence, rather than the government having to prove their guilt and that's completely, different again from how our democracy has been set up. Privacy. Advocates, worry that a growing web of traffic, monitors, license, plate readers and networked security, cameras, will soon allow police, to track our every move. All, without a warrant. The. Legal issues over how these new technologies, are used and, who has access to all of this information are, far from settled in.

California. One of ten states that guarantees, a right to privacy, the new tools pose a challenge where. To draw the line between safer. Streets and spine. At. A high-tech nerve, center in los angeles police grapple. With this question every, day about, a thousand, cameras. In the city are fed and monitored, here mostly, for, investigative. Purposes, captain, John Romero commands, the real-time analysis, and critical response division which, tracks crimes across the city with an up-to-the-minute, map of every, incident that's reported a small. Picture of a bomb, would be a bomb call the the masks, or Robbery calls the fists, or assault crimes. Romero. Says new technologies, allow the department. To do predictive, policing, determining. When and where crimes are more likely to occur, as part. Of a new initiative police, also monitor, private, cameras near the Hollywood sign and warn off interlopers. Through a speaker they are trespassers. At this point, Romero, believes that while the public may be uneasy, about being watched they'll soon see the benefits, in early. America when we started putting up streetlights people thought that this, is the government, trying, to see what we're doing at night to. Spy on us and so. Over time things. Shifted. And now. If you tried to take down streetlights. In Los Angeles or Boston or anywhere else people would say no it's a public safety you're you're hurting. Our public safety just, so you can save money on on lighting, I think that. Cameras will eventually, get there where cameras will not be, a problem in the future. Across. Town sergeant, Doug aqui tani of the LA County Sheriff's Department recently, supervised, dinh experiment, involving cameras, on a whole, new level he. Gave the center for investigative reporting. And exclusive. Account of the test. This system was kind of kept, confidential. From. Everybody in the public a. Lot. Of people do have a problem with the you know eye in the sky the Big Brother so in order to mediate any of those kind of complaints. We basically kept it pretty hush-hush. The. Array of cameras, on this aircraft records. High-resolution. Images, of the 25, square mile area for, up to six hours it. Can track every, person and vehicle on the ground beaming. Back the pictures in real time, it's, citywide, surveillance, on an unprecedented, scale. What. We essentially do is a live version of Google Earth only, with, a full TiVo capability, it allows us to rewind, time and go, back and see events that we didn't know occurred, at, the time they occurred, are. You doing, Ross McNutt is the president, of persistent, surveillance systems. In Dayton Ohio one, of the few companies in the u.s. that does wide, area, surveillance. McNutt. Developed a similar system in the Air Force that was used in Iraq and Afghanistan. It. Was at the height of the ie D problem, and our objective, was to be able to follow the Bombers from, where the bomb went off back, to the house that they were building the bombs and be, able to use that towards. The end of the time, when the system was deployed, we. Looked at it and said hey there's some real law enforcement, applications, to this McNutt. Has tested, the technology, in Philadelphia, Baltimore and Dayton where, he says it provided, police with useful, leads on shootings, armed, robberies, and narcotics, cases, the. LA County Sheriff's Department tested, wide area surveillance in, 2012. Over Compton, a compact. City with a high crime rate. We. Literally watched all of Compton, during, the times that we're flying anywhere. Within that whole area we, can zoom down live, or after the fact two, resolutions, just, barely to be able to follow people. My. First initial thought was like Oh big, brother we're gonna have a camera flying over us but. With the wider surveillance, you would have the ability, to solve. A lot of the unsolvable, crimes, with no.

Witnesses, No videotape surveillance. No, fingerprints. From, a mobile command center McNutt, monitored. 911. Coordinated, with officers, on the ground there had been a rash of crimes in Compton with, people getting necklaces. Snatched so the LA Sheriff's Department. Asked us to investigate, this, I. Remember. This call it was basically our typical, middle-aged, woman walking down the street with a friend of hers having a conversation, a, young, and male approached, sirs and as he's just walking down the street. She. Thinks he's just a regular pedestrian. Doesn't. Notice anything about him grabs, the necklace off her neck runs. Down the street. In. Traditional, policing. We. Won't be able to solve these types of crimes. 99%, of time we're not gonna find anybody. We. Went to the address and we watched it and what we saw was somebody, getting, out of a car here, and. Then. The person walks, down the street here, while, the car circles, around to the other side of the block and. What you have is a person walking down the road there in just. A moment here is where the necklace is stolen right, there and then. The person is going to run off quickly, to. Get into the car back, into the car that's driven around the block and, we can follow that person off the, system doesn't have the resolution, to identify, license, plates or people a person, is just a pixel, analysts. Track the car and rely on cameras, at traffic lights or gas stations, to capture a close-up, image. In. This case the suspects, eventually, drove out of camera, range without, being identified but. A katana says the experiment, still gave police some, valuable, leads. Now. We know that that car was involved, so. That way our deputies, can start monitoring, those streets maybe they will see that car driving by with the two bad guys in there and maybe we can stop them and arrest them. So. Far no police department, has purchased the system a Kotani, says it can't provide the kind of detailed, images, that would hold up in court it, was a great experiment but in the, end the resolution, just wasn't enough for. Us to use it here on a day-to-day basis. McNutt. Believes, that persistent, surveillance could, lead to a lasting, drop in crime but acknowledges. Privacy, concerns, what. Happens, when the technology, improves, is the, future a permanent, record of our every move, there. Is a trade-off.

Between Security. And some, aspects, of privacy, by. The fact that we're actually able to provide useful, information against. Multiple, crimes per mission and, contribute, to solving everything from murders to in the case you saw Nikolas snatch. That. Allows us to. Provide. More security. With less loss of privacy than. Any of the other options that are out there for. Now deputies, are back to patrolling the streets of Compton from the ground but. They say that if the technology, improves, they'll take another look at wide area surveillance I'm, sure the people once they find out that. This experiment went on there might be you, know a little upset, but. Knowing. That we can't see into their bedroom windows we can't see into their pools we, can't see into their showers, you. Know I'm. Sure they'll be ok with it with the amount of technology out in, today's, age with. Cameras. On ATMs at every 7-eleven, every supermarket. Pretty. Much every light pole at all the license-plate cameras, the, red-light. Cameras, people, have just got used to being watched for the most part. But. Not everyone. These. Protestors in Oakland fear that police will soon be able to watch anyone. Anytime, with. Little oversight. For. Months they fought a plan to create what they called a citywide surveillance. System an extensive. Network of live camera, and data feeds, in. March. They convinced, the City Council to scale back its plans. For. Now. But. As police experiment. With ever more sophisticated, technologies. The debate will continue on, the balance, between security and. Privacy, and. Where. To draw that line a. Key. Tool for solving, crime used to be eyewitnesses someone. Who sees something with their own eyes and describes, it to police or in court but. As we just saw electronic. Eyes and, ears can capture more information, not just of criminals, but all of us how. Effective, are they and at what cost, Scott, Shafer takes it from here. New. And evolving surveillance, technology. What does it mean for police, prosecutors. And law abiding citizens, worried about their privacy, joining. Me to discuss the, implications are Mike, Sena director, of the Northern California Regional, Intelligence Center, David. Greene senior, staff attorney at the Electronic, Frontier Foundation and, Jennifer, Granick civil, liberties director at the Stanford, Center for Internet and Society, let. Me begin with you Jennifer we heard that sheriff's deputy from Los Angeles saying we're already being on. Camera, everywhere with ATMs, and red-light cameras, FastTrack. So what what's the big deal what's how is this different, what's, different is when all that information, is aggregated and, one, party, in this case the government can get a hold of all of that because it means that they know so much about us that, was really something, that was never recorded, before or, even, was just recorded, for specific, purposes, and now it can be used for more, general policing, or could, be abused but, for, general policing isn't that a good thing don't we want to be safe there's, an assumption that if there's less privacy, there's automatically, this uptick in security, and that people want that I don't think we can just assume that we're trading privacy, for security, every time and people like it it's more complicated well I'm like Santa you're the director of this Northern California, Regional, Intelligence Center, these so-called fusion, centers there are six of them in California. You're constantly in touch with, other law enforcement agencies. Sharing, information collecting. Information what's. The best rationale. For doing that for collecting, all this data and keep well, there's, also a misperception, about what. Data is being collected how, much data there is out there we have pieces of data when, you look at law enforcement across America, there's 18,000. Law enforcement, agencies all using different systems so, our big function. For the for the most part is trying to collect what.

Law-enforcement Data, already. Exists and bring that into our Center so what's the misperception, that, we. Have access to things like the fast track that we have access to cameras. All over the place there really aren't that many cameras, and there's a misperception of what the efficiency, is of cameras. Technology, alone doesn't solve any crimes it's combination of people analysts. And technology, but if you don't have all those pieces you can't really bring that data together efficiently, I think we, heard the the LA Sheriff's say, was well you know people are being have, cameras on all the times then a. Few years they're neither going to care and and I I've actually found that very disturbing, and, I don't know that we should accept that and we're going to throw in the towel and say well we have cameras on us so so, we don't have any any any, rights at all the thing we have to realize is that crime is not what most of us are doing most of the time most of the time we're just law-abiding, citizens, going about our business and, to be under surveillance all, the time has a chilling effect as we go, to the doctor, as we go to our churches or mosques as. We interact with our friends, or political, meetings and, when you see populations. That are receiving, the attention of. Extra. Policing, a lot of times people don't like it you know Oakland, didn't want the domain awareness program, New, York City was, had, a lot of opposition to the stop and frisk well, unlike Center that's a good point is is there an element of profiling, that's, necessary, here I'm not really and you know because, crime is often, it's random you know you you have no clue of where it's going to be or what cameras will be able to collect the information you need you, look at the Boston Marathon bombing, if those private cameras haven't been, operating, at that time, there's. A good possibility they never would have found out who committed that crime what's. The risk in this little put this to anybody of, the, wrong person, being fingered. As the, assailant, and that type of technology that they demonstrated, there or any of the type of technologies, that they have out there they, aren't the one thing that says this person is guilty and. It's up to you know the prosecutor, to look at the and say do we have enough to forward, the prosecution, it's up to a judge and a jury to decide where, does it go from there Jennifer or David what concerns do you have in that regard or one essence yeah well one of the things I think is really different is when you're collecting, information ahead, of time when, there's no crime we know that's been committed and nothing's happened and the government is just collecting, information just in case that's a big difference from when something happens, like the Boston Marathon bombing. And you go to information, that's in the hands of private parties that, government, gets sometimes with a warrant, sometimes, with other legal process and then starts to piece the case together we know someone's, done something we're, looking for that person but in that case you did have to watch everyone to look for the right person well, no because the bombing happened at a particular location, so then you get the cameras from that locations it wasn't that there was a plane that was flying over, all of Boston all of Miami all of Chicago all of New York and then we were just sort of looking through those pictures or keeping them just in case David.

What Is the difference in your mind between what we're talking about here with a law. Enforcement agency. Doing surveillance versus. Google, and Facebook. And, LinkedIn collecting, all this information you. Know with or without our knowledge, what's. The what's and they're using it to make sure yeah there's really no public purpose it's just the bottom line in that sense what's the difference well and I think the main difference is, that we have a different relationship with the government, and with law enforcement particular. Than, we do with our search engine and our relationship. With our government I think is one of not being watched by them all the time, what we do see with, Google and Yahoo and, and and service internet service providers, is at least the ability to try and control, it. Might require you to be a knowledgeable, consumer, to do so but to have some control, over, what. How, much of your information, is collecting what use is made of it and you also have the ability to opt out of that as well it's hard to opt out of law, enforcement the, internet, companies are using our information to market things to us the police are using information, to put us in jail yeah they actually like to disagree I mean our goal isn't to put people in jail but it is to protect, public safety and as. Far as the the gathering, of information what, we do as far as the aggregation, and follow-up. It also helps. Us to identify folks, that haven't been engaged in crime eliminating, folks that could, be potential, suspects, with the day that we've collected. You know me as a certain, as well I I don't need to be followed all day long and that's not the role long force it's not to follow folks all day long but, the technology, acts as a pointer system it doesn't, tell you that somebody committed, a crime specifically. It just points in that direction how, long is this data kept.

Photography. Visual. Collected, data automated. License plate readers it's. 12 months that's. What, the government. Code in. California. At least for visual data Mike, is there a different, standard, for this surveillance, and privacy. When. You're talking about say international, terrorism. Versus. Local, law enforcement where, you're looking for someone who snatched a purse there, are rules regarding, the way intelligences, collect the way information, is collected in the country and after September 11th there were folks that, actually wanted, to get rid of those restrictions, but. It was actually state, and local law enforcement the folks that I represent. That said no we need to keep this our role is Public, Safety and law enforcement is, to protect the public but also uphold, the Constitution, United States Jennifer what would you add to that I agree with the sentiment, unfortunately. I don't think that's the way our courts, and our investigators. Are actually, doing it there's no question, in my mind that it, law, enforcement, agencies sharing information properly can help solve crimes I think the hard question, is with something like cameras. You, have this ability. To, follow people around on the public streets traditionally. The Fourth Amendment didn't prohibit a single, police officer from following you but it was just infeasible, for everyone, to be followed all the time now, we have technology, that makes it possible for us to see where every, car or where every person or almost every person is like. Law, enforcement doesn't, have that capability to track people 24, hours a day seven days a week. You, know the technology, isn't quite there I mean there are things that in those in those videos and pictures and for, me even a person that has worked in the in the technology, field with folks that are designing things and whatever. The feature may be I don't, see that in my career, we know that local law enforcement is actually, has. The technological. Capability, of actually trapping tracking, mobile phone as. You walk around your mobile phone even if your phone is off we've. Talked a lot about the privacy, implications and, some of the risks, and, constitutional. Questions to what it's into the laws need to be updated I mean technology is changing so quickly is, it possible for the law to keep up yeah I mean I think it I'm a lawyer so I like, to believe it's possible for the law to keep up but we have a long way to go you. Know as the Fourth Amendment needs to catch up because you know what is our privacy in public spaces, when we have technology. That can monitor us, since, such a much greater extent we have this age of big data where, data analysis. Can put these pieces together, and find out so much more about us than any individual, piece we might you know give up or choose to share like Santa you were nodding when Jennifer was saying we need to update the laws I would. Agree I agree, I mean we definitely need to keep the laws up to speed on on, what we're doing but it's hard and it's not just what law enforcement is doing is what the criminal groups are doing with technology which is hard for law, enforcement. In. That realm, David. What should local communities, local governments. And citizens what should they be thinking about what questions should, they, be asking, well. I think a good question to ask really is what is the relationship between government and its citizenry, and, if it is and, to me a government really should be really hesitant, as an enter to relationship where it's just constantly, collecting information, I think it's very easy what I've seen you've seen with the NSA and you seen on the local level is that, having, the ability to collect information it seems innocuous and, it seems easy it, becomes difficult to to stop and Mike. Sent it from someone on the inside of this, kind of an operation or what questions do you ask of of the people who are overseeing, what you do you, know the hard part is that expectation, of privacy in public spaces, what. Is that and and, really, the the bigger part of this and something that I'm a big, advocate for is building. Communities of trust, actually having conversations, with communities, Jennifer, is is there enough transparency, to. Even know what what the right questions to ask are at this point in time we have almost no rules about how information is used or, disseminated. And how do we tell if it's worth it what are you know we need to keep track of abuses, keep track of.

Successes. In fighting. Crime and have a sense. Of you, know what, do we need to do where we can in, ants the public. Safety mission, without, over-policing. Lots of questions we just just, touched the surface thank, you all very much Mike Sena Jennifer, Granick David Green thanks a lot thank you as. Technology. Advances, the struggle to find balance between privacy and security will play out in unexpected. Ways it's. Clear the debate and discussion, will continue I'm. Thuy vu thanks. For joining us. Funding. For this program is provided by the Gruber, Family Foundation. And by. The members of KQED a. Co-production. Of KQED and the Center for Investigative Reporting.

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In India Aadhar card is same. Check that out guys

A good idea for those with nothing to hide. I welcome it. We need to be more concerned with the real 'eye in the sky' - "And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him, with whom we have an accounting." (Bible)

This is the ultimate dystopia people have warned us about 100 years ago.

Face rekonice is fake it is not working as it should


Let me go to Costa Rica

let's make laws as people to wear mask and police would have to have a reason with no doubt to capture your face because walking out in public has been undermined as us free people and our body's are taking advantage of so it's time for us to protect our identity and body.

Simply, Innocent people wouldn't mind this police surveillance lol

its massive community seduction

The generation that is born into this is when it's not going to matter any more

Ross M C N U T

lol that video in the background at 8:08

Big Brother..

Hindi langues

Why don't you buy a satelite with live camera?

Police in america are the real terrorist #blueisis cops are sovereign citizens because they feel like the laws don't apply to them

Okay Reveal, what is the update on the resolution 12:03 since 2014?


Wide area surveillance is the complete end of privacy and freedom! They will at first state its for cops, but then it will get out. Then try to tell your boss you are some where you are not. The first part of totally controlling some ones movements, is to first of all know where they are at all times! This is scary shit!

I don't know if any one caught the use of the term, only said a few times, but it should send chills down your spine. "Predictive Policing!" What is so scary about that, is the cops utilizing these "toys" are too stupid to realize that a machine or statistics can not predict crime. So, these dummies will then act on these predictive guesses, and start jamming people up who have not done shit wrong! What's even scarier is the blind faith these cops place on these computers telling them how and where and on who to do their job!!!

Its crazy, but I just don't see how they get the funding for the maintenance of upkeeping the servers

6:23 Sweet ride

The road to serfdom.

Have you witnessed human trafficking? Victims are often hidden in plain sight. @ICEgov Tip Line: 1-866-DHS-2-ICE

Oh No I picked my nose and scratched myself. They know it also. Smdh

Americans of Interest!

You think your Free, and have a choice You Don't Folks wake up. No privacy!

They want too Know everything about us, where your going what you are doing,,why How! Control!

think this is bad just wait until the 5g goes online not only extreme violations of privacy but they'll cook you and the unfortunate animals like a microwave oven

Fusion center clown.

Fucking jab

We kept it hush hush from the public. No shit u did cuz u and every1 in the world knows they wudnt have it. Ur spying on people against their will wtf u think. U wanna act like it's for anything else

Cameras won't b a problem eventually cuz u won't have a fuckin choice ya retard. No wonder ur a cop

This guy's a straight retard for using traffic lights as a comparable example. People thought u wud use traffic lights for spying back then cuz they didn't no what they were. People know what cameras are and people know ur only using them to spy on them. Nice try to sweet it under the rug faggot

It's all spying. They don't give a fuck about safety

Insanely retarded. Their going to end up incarcerating so many good people. "Anybody could end up in that data base" Fuck you. Get real criminals. Murderers. Rapers. Robbers. Thieves. Leave every1 else alone

why do u need to my name i dont talk to police

Cock suckers. 99.9999% of the population have to be vialated so that you fucks can carry out witch hunts. What if the public gather together wearing their own 24/7 cameras?? We want our own database called civilian 20/20. Every government employee would have their I'd entered into the public 20/20 system. Now wussup!

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i'd rather have a criminal get away with stealing my phone or even stabbing me than having to live in a reality that i'm being monitored in such an invasive way

I see nothing wrong with this I have nothing to hide or worry about I have my own business and I prefer security to keep my business and my family safe so if your against this then your a criminal or support illegals immigrants

God bless america should corruption take hold!


This is for gangstalking too.

so why can they not find the pepole killing people they have cameras on us 24 7 365

you mean the *HOLLYWEED* sign

speaking of the Boston marathon bombing, there was no expectation of privacy since the cameras were recording in a public environment, any one can do this legally. But... in Compton it seems as though everyone with a back yard had their privacy rights violated by the sheriff's department. i don't believe they had permission to obtain any form of media from all of the people who live there, where there is an expectation of privacy (Their inclosed back yards) .

brainwave biometrics...

this stuff is the favorite of squirrel cops. they have even better tech than what is shown here. these people like to watch women undress and go to the toilet. i can name names and addresses if anyone feels froggy...

my teacher made me watch this.... wtf

spideral Productions why did she make you watch it

the machines are turning our world more like theirs through us. we are buildin our own prison/death sentence


so are they watching me now type this comment and watch me eat?

how long before im followed home ,on camera, and fined for droping a cigarette butt

It's going to be an automatic ticketing machine like in Demolition Man.

a little upset??? whos violating your rights Mr officer???

This makes me sick!

They spy on the innocent people with technology there not telling you about listening to your phone calls watching u thru your cell phone camera's.""WHEN YOU GIVE UP LIBERTY FOR SECURITY YOU DESERVE NEITHER BENJAMIN FRANKLIN""

When somebody does something "hush-hush" doesn't necessarily mean it is legal. Perhaps they did it quietly was because they knew damn well it was illegal.

the manipulation of real life events through intervention of those in these network observation centers and extended foot soldiers interfere with and distort the natural and supernatural interactions anticipated by those with Religious and Spiritual belief. Keep surveillance on to protect peaceful citizens but stay out of areas that concern that which should remain sacred.

Dumb asses have a overload of information and cannot pinpoint anyone ! not terrorists or domestic freaks !! they are sinking themselves in a hole and don't even know it ,scary !!

State of surveillance for the sheeps... The shepards are ofcourse excluded...

"We kept it hush hush to mitigate complaints about privacy" That was somehow justification - just say "So we know it's a privacy violation that's why we didn't tell you we are doing it!"

Absolutely no comparison between introducing streetlamps and every aspect of your life being tracked in the modern age!

Peaceful revolution.. destroy the police state by taking their funding and firing anyone that invades privacy. i'm disgusted.

Law Advocate their funding doesn't come from us. Never have.

We are all walking in to a police state, and everyone is just letting it happen, we are all FUCKING STUPID MORONS,, But the governments around the world just LOVE US....

What? Streetlights weren't actually spying, YOU actually are!


the problem is not just potential abuse but actual abuse when said systems assist in punishing people for breaking "unjust" laws

We all know - irrespective of the country we live in - that the authorities LIE... they've been caught lying over and over again about everything. But when it comes to surveillance data, we're all suppose to suddenly trust them when they say _"We delete all data after 'x' months!"_ Yeah, sure! Once on a database, *always* on a database!

I knew that John Doe fellow was flaky...

I feel that there should be more public "video" surveillance. I put quotes around "video" as everyone is worried about Big Brother watching everyone. This way, no one is watching. Video surveillance systems can be put on every street corner, facing down each street, and each one can be a self contained system that can only be viewed by downloading recorded video from that spot, physically at that location. This ensures that public that these cameras are not manned by anyone who is "watching" them. If a crime or investigation deems it necessary to view video evidence, someone would have to physically go to each location to download the video recordings to get the video evidence. As for space on each of these system, have them record over old video after a certain predetermined amount of time has passed, looping over old video as it records new video. This will be sufficient enough to help court cases dealing with local crimes that have had reports filled out about the crime shortly after the crime has happened. If no crime has been reported, and the video feed is erased, then we simply end up where we are today with no video footage to help solve the crime. This would support and encourage ppl to report crimes as soon as possible so that the video footage can be retrieved before it is erased, as well as being a deterrent for criminals to commit crimes if they know there is a more likely chance they will be identified committing the crime. Also, there could be a program to promote home owners to put up video surveillance systems like this on their own homes to help with catching evidence of criminal activities. A system similar to the government's solar power grants to promote home owners to put solar panels on their homes. And why stop there? What about a program that would lower your insurence or reward you with a percentage of fines collected from those who break the law when you are driving down the road? Put dash cams in your vehicle. You witness someone breaking the law and get it on camera, and then turn that video footage into the police, you can get a monetary reward if there is a conviction. It would backfire as well if someone was trying to bare false witness and turn in false video footage. It is a fact that people are less inclined to commit crime when they think they are being watched of feel there is a higher chance they will get caught. When you have no idea who is going to turn you in, everyone becomes part of the public surveillance system, not just the government. I would go as far as saying that the government is cut out of these systems, except for the end portion of the legal process...that being the court or police investigations. No monitoring. I am a strong believer in recorded video surveillance in public places. When you are in public, you are not in private. You are in public. How can their be an argument about that?

+spikey 27 self contained and looped so that if thereisnt an issue within a certain time period such as a call to 911, the footage would get overwritten.

Bond: Our daughter lived in the Charlotte NC area back when they started putting up "red-light cameras." One such camera was placed on a busy thoroughfare, Hwy 74. At the time the technology was self-contained as you say, only allowing them to incorporate film, or small hard drives for recording. Guess what? Their storage system filled up in about a couple of hours, so they had to go to the site to download information. Soon that changed and it is now piped directly into police headquarters. So much for self-contained. Now everything is fed directly to headquarters and then on to national centers. Do you still feel safe and content with whatever privacy you have left? Are you hiding anything? If not, you should have no objection to someone watching your every move. Right?

The National Security Agency needs to create a Satellite View Camera that records from above, So they can go back to the crime scene to see where suspects travel and track them.

lol oakland

It's amazing to me how so many cops have no problem violating people's civil liberties, do recruiters screen through potential candidates to find the dicks? When all the constitutional civil servants are weeded out the cars will just say OBEY, replacing Serve and protect.

Interesting debate but I'm surprised that nobody touched on the "totalitarian two step" concept. I feel it is a fine line between law enforcement and tyranny when that switch eventually gets flipped. They move these intrusive devices and laws in on US ALL slowly and with enough push back they back off but then try it again and again one little increment at a time and eventually they will have US ALL in their sights. Does that make sense? If it doesn't... you watch too much TV and buy all the PRO-PAGAN-DUH the 4th arm of fedgov pushes at you

so much for "land of the free"


U.S.A. = Unlimited Surveillance Agency

Technology ............ this is a great way to watch the poor masses ! If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide from your masters!

+BIGBADWOOD its not only about criminal, this keeps you in the box, and stops your imagination.

you can be sure anyone and everyone will be on their databases one way or another

More proof America has turned in to the land of the fee,Home of the slave.

put a camera in my toilet cia watch me every morin lol

Free Manz Turned into? Always was!

Is there no privacy?.

if no freedom no security

+Thelizzyman Not anymore.

Yeah, so we are experiencing all these gun crimes because...? Predictive policing my ass. If anything it's the whistleblowers, upstanding citizens and people taking on big pharma, the military and corrupt government officials being tracked, spied on and targeted #targetedindividuals #darpa #haarp #newworldorder

I am going to let you lot in on a SECRETE. Do you really, honestly believe that the POLICE either state or federal have the resources or the man power to install monitor and manage all this so called surveillance. I will tell you this FACT yes a lot of places are under surveillance, FACT neither the Government or the Police are remotely aware of any of this.

getting a little concerned...............

What if someone has a twin?

How is this Constitutional?

:---) +lovejoypain 

+David W Oh, so you're a targeted individual too? I am one too. Sorry to hear. Good for you for not becoming part of the system.Stay strong. Many people are waking up.

+lovejoypain I know, and it is so frustrating. Being a citizen who served, offering my life.. only to be beaten on by cops, threatened and harassed by the govt and watched by the N SA... One would like to lash out at the Jail Keepers < scum! BUT, it is NOT worth it. I will not trade my life for their disgusting existence.

+David W It's not. And this is the most basic of the technology that they're gradually leaking to the public. It's been going on for years. Even decades.

heres an idea. maybe they can go back and look at all the corrupt shit the pigs have done to the people? nah, that wont happen though will it?

Pre crime see a dope dealer on street corner follow him by cameras arrest his ass before drugs are sold to any one by facial mugshot stating he is a drug dealer cause he got caught with weed great tool to move this country into one were we are controlled by a dominant over barring government when that's all they seem worried about now days cause this is were they get there money not for arresting murders and the people doing crimes they can't catch. This is a great country I just don't think there motivation is going in the right direction since it used to be about non lethal force no its shoot first so the other person can't tell there side I fear fo r my life ever day I go to work but I'm not killing people cause of it

News update for the mad dog who placed me under surveillance for the past 3 years. I am very curious to what are you up to. You are a very dangerous mad dog who convinced the police to kidnap me, force me to be detained, and treat me like the way they did while I was being detained. Not only that, but you also convinced them to protect you from me when I went to the police and filed a complaint against you. This say a lot about America and her way of justice. A mad dog like you will not stop until he seeks the revenge he want for the humiliation he received on my hands. I am very sure that you are trying to convince the police, until this day, that I am a very serious threat. I am asking you, "how many investigations and interrogations the police made so far, to see whether I am a threat or not?". The number of investigations and interrogations clearly show that you will never be satisfied with any investigation or interrogation.  This is why the best way to deal with a mad dog like you, is to make him sit on his ass, and let him keep barking by himself, until he decide to leave and do something else. This is probably is going to take years, but its okay, I have a lot of time and patience for that. You are not going to do a single investigation with me from now on. Keep sitting on your ass and try to convince the police that I am a threat. If the police have the power to kidnap me again, then they wouldn't release me from the place they kidnapped me to 3 years ago.  My message is: Fuck you LOOOOOL.



try living in the u.k you cant take a shit without cctv monitoring you it is effective at catching crooks though.

could keep all that data on one 2tb hard no need for 100 of them excessive.

WHAT A IDIOTIC STATEMENT BY THAT LA COP. How dare he compare street lights to 24/7 video and audio surveillance that directly infringes on our privacy. Totally different.  Police do not need all these technologies. They do not need to solve every crime at the expense of everyone elses privacy. They need to just do their job the old fashioned way. no street cameras that give tickets or such. if they dont see it they shouldn't be able to cite someone for it. we are giving the gov't too much power. this is not good. we may not be feeling much right now, but just wait and see what these programs do and how the will be imposing on all our rights to privacy in the next 20 to 30 years. it very well could be like that movie with with smith and gene hackman or a minority report of sorts. the us is going in a very bad direction. every day I get closer to just leaving and heading to Australia.

law enforcement needs probable cause, they aren't supposed to watch everyone all the time just in case you might be a criminal. 13:58 you aren't supposed to follow people without probable cause. if you do this as a cop, you are wrong. this isn't about security its about circumventing probable cause.

a camera don't stop a bullet!

Dictators throughout history would be drooling over the powers now commanded by the elite few. Wake up people.... technology is not your friend.


i deleted my facebook 4 months , best  choice of the new year .... 

face value ?

Just shut Down the grid in your area and they and there technology is fucked.fucken stupid Jews want our world Fu go back to your fucked up planet Saturn isn't that where your from aren't you here to take our world .your fn traders to humanity in this world with your fn grubby dirty fn hands off our land and now we know why media keep up with the raceisum

True that***** Evil never wins!!!!!

True that***** Experience d this first hand******

True that*******

True that********

True that**** When none law enforcement is doing it and helping law enforcement it's way out of hand_ Evil!!!!!!!

No out of hand when civilians are doing it!!!!!!

True that***** I'm in another situation on this!!!!

:---) @lovejoypain 

@David W Oh, so you're a targeted individual too? I am one too. Sorry to hear. Good for you for not becoming part of the system.Stay strong. Many people are waking up.

@lovejoypain I know, and it is so frustrating. Being a citizen who served, offering my life.. only to be beaten on by cops, threatened and harassed by the govt and watched by the N SA... One would like to lash out at the Jail Keepers < scum! BUT, it is NOT worth it. I will not trade my life for their disgusting existence.

#targetingcultureupdate 9619: Outline of targeting culture Here is the latest snippet from my forthcoming book "Targeting Culture: Making the Invisible Visible"

What if I kill someone while wearing a mask

Revolt or regret. Your choice.

Everybody don't worry!. Government will never allowed Russia and China to use our own technology against us


It will increase crime. Over crowd prisons and it’s really none of your fucking buissness what we do. Fuck the government

8:00 , wtf haha what kind of logic is that!? Streetlights dont have cameras in them!, yet. D:

Good Luck in gaining any records from the FBI. Lots of fraud going on these days inside.

We also hold technology against law mishandling as fraud gaming citizens. Its this advanced to capture law in crimes to themselves.

All these cops need a Life, Compton CA? Black community lol..why not take that bullshit on Rodeo Dr? that's where a million dollar necklace would be? This is a huge lie...all that technology for a $60 bucks chain... Blacks and Latinos will be the fall guys as always! That cop is Asian he will target all Blacks, no one in millions dollar row 90210 zip will get touched!

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