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Thinkest. Thou that hell is but, a fable, I. Think. So still, til, experience. Change, thy mind why this is, hell, nor are we out of it hell. Hath no limits. Nor is circumscribed, in oneself, place for. Where I am, is, hell and. Where. Hell, is, there. Must I ever. Be. Lucifer. Lord, of, hell and regent. Of the damned I'm. A huge fan of Jordan, Peterson in fact. I'll go so far as to say I am the only true, Jordan Peterson fan in, the entire, world for, the damnably, uninitiated. Jordan. Peterson, is a Canadian, psychologist, author of 12 rules for life a very popular, self-help, philosophy book, and maps. Of meaning which, is also, a book he, does a lot of TV, and live appearances. And has a devoted following, both on the internet and in. Hell which. Are increasingly, the same thing, fortunately. For me there, are a lot of philosophers, down here turns, out in order to get into heaven you have to be both Muslim and trans, so there's a lot of people there but it's still pretty exclusive, and they've learned a great deal. Peterson. Presents, as a warrior battling. The forces of, Hell and, darkness, by, which I mean nihilism. A lack, of values. And goals in life and the accompanying sadness, that can sometimes go with it which, he and several other thinkers believe, is endemic, to the modern world he's. A big fan of Nietzsche who did a lot of work on the death of God which, sadly wasn't literally about God being killed but about how can you humans, live meaningful. Lives in. A secular, age how can you go on without falling, into despair in, the face of the sheer pointlessness. Of it all that's, where the self-help, aspect, of his work comes in if everybody. Sank into nihilism, then human. Society, would collapse so you've got to aim at something sort yourself out stand up straight clean, your room and all, that entails Peterson. Doesn't just think that nihilism is depressing, to live with them he also thinks that it's dangerous in his book he talks about how mass killers, can spend too long in nihilism, and come to believe that life isn't worth anything anymore there. Are other causes of mass killings if it was just nihilism which everybody sinks into occasionally, then hell would be full of mass shooters, from every demographic when, in fact they're not a very diverse bunch he, also thinks that post-modernism. And Marxism. Are dangerous. In that nihilist. Way which. Hmm. It, is a little confusing approaching, Peterson's work from the point of view of philosophy, because words like, post-modernism. And Marxism relativism. And nihilism have, technical, meanings that he tends to. Wind. Around and one. Popular, tactic for arguing against him is to explain those technical meanings and show how he's using them incorrectly, but. More, talented, demons than me have tried that before and it doesn't seem to faze him so, what I'd like to do is show why his attack on nihilism, isn't, all it's, cracked up, to be and then. Present. An alternative. Peterson, seems to use the word nihilism, as interchangeable, with. Relativism. Which it isn't really and we'll get to that but, if you follow his work you'd be forgiven for thinking that relativism, is a bad thing the, good doctor has condemned, moral, relativism, multiple, times in his lectures he went on the Joe Rogan show, to say that it was quote just wrong and twelve, rules for life contains a foreword by psychologist Norman Doidge presenting.

Peterson's, Whole career, as a counter, to relativism. The supposedly is that if we were all diehard. Relativists. And every, goal was as good as every other then, we would never truly, value, anything, hence nihilism. And societal. Collapse and Peterson's, not the only one worried about this the philosopher Stephen Hicks and neuroscientist, Sam Harris see relativism, as a rejection of science, and enlightenment, values we'll, come back to both of them former. Breitbart editor, ben shapiro has, linked it with cultural, decay and in his video the ugly truth about relativism, with over 90,000. Views x software. Salesman, stefan, molyneux, says that relativism, is part of a plot driven, by a demonic, thirst, for, power there's, also this video from weird male YouTube, which honestly has one of the best openings, since, Genesis, so, this video is going to be on does. Moral, relativism, lead to pussy worship. The. Common theme running through a lot of these thinkers is that objectivity. Which, is associated with things like reason, the Enlightenment, modernism, the West and judeo-christian. Values is, good. As has, been pointed out by an inspiring. In another video also featuring wings and a nudity many, of those terms are more complicated than they appear whereas, relativism, which is associated, with feelings, social, justice warriors the NatWest. Post-modernism, and dangerous, leftist, thinking, is bad, a lack. Of strongly. Grounded values, can leave individuals. And maybe, societies, open. To corruption, by, demonic, influences. Peterson. Actually, has quite an unusual stance. Compared, to some of those others and I'm not lumping him in with them carelessly down, here, everyone's. Punishment, is bespoke, but. It's worth noting that some of those who claim to have the answer to nihilism do, share some political, themes the question for now is how can you confront, the meaninglessness, of your life without, falling, into nihilism, and despair you.

Have A few options one, is to, believe. In God, yeah. Another, is to invent some new goals and meaning through pop psychology, and recycling. A lot of religion, like Jordan Peterson does taking, God's dead corpse, and turning it into fertilizer or, if. Magic, isn't doing it for you anymore why. Not try. Science. In. 2010. Neuroscientist. Sam Harris responded. To this alleged problem of nihilism and relativism in his, book the moral landscape, he claims that there are objective, answers, to moral questions and that science can, help humans. Discover, them he isn't saying that there will someday be single, scientific, answers to all moral, questions, but he is trying, to find objective. Values, without religion. But the the demigods are right about one thing we need a universal. Conception of human values he thinks that people are too tolerant and that this is a symptom of a dangerous. Cultural. Relativism, a theme, he shares with Petersen Deutsch, Molyneux. Shapiro, and. Harris. Thinks you should all be brave free speech warriors, and face the truth if there are facts. About morality, then. Doesn't it stand to reason that some people or. Cultures, might. Know more about those facts, than others whenever we are talking about facts, certain. Opinions, must be excluded, that is what it is to have a domain of expertise, how have we convinced ourselves that every, culture has a point of view on these, subjects, worth, considering, he's particularly, concerned, that you are too tolerant of behaviors, that he associates, with religion, and conservative. Islam especially, like, requiring women to wear veils and, honor killings, although, in fact both of those behaviors have parallels, in societies, that aren't, quite so influenced, by a conservative Islam, and, arguably say more about controlling, women than they do about religion, what this illustrates, though is that for Harris the quest to find objective, value in life is not, just for the fun of it in his book the end of faith he explicitly discusses, these issues in the context, of American, military intervention. Racial. Profiling, and torture. Apropos. At, the end of this talk a man comes onstage who. Is this guy is this Ted is this TEDTalks mrs. Theodore T talks. Anyway. A man comes onstage and points out something Harris neglected, to mention that. Many Muslim, women wear, veils. Voluntarily. I mean. Can you engage, in a conversation, with, that kind of woman without, seeing. Cultural. Imperialist Harris replies that voluntary. Doesn't really mean all that much in certain contexts, they might be brainwashed by their delusional, belief systems, and so I think we shouldn't be so. Eager to always. Take their word for it so Harris has allowed himself the possibility. Of saying, I know what's, good for you and I don't necessarily need. To ask and. It seems like he's at least open to the idea, that, those in possession of the moral facts. Can, be justified in acting violently. Against, the morally ignorant, that's. The power of having objectivity. On, your side, elsewhere, Harris, mentions, brain scans, as a way of objectively knowing. Who's happy and who's not but. How can you tell the difference between a brain scan of somebody who's really happy, according to Harris and somebody, who's merely deluded. Well. You can't, so. Even though he highly, values, the facts it seems like some are more, valuable than others and it's not clear on what basis, he's weighing them up interestingly, this. Criticism is similar, to one put forward by another thinker. Jordan. Peterson, he, and Harris agree on an awful lot but one thing Peterson has pointed out is that there are so many facts. In the realm of objective, science that you need some story, to help you pick and choose which facts, will be relevant, philosophers.

Would Call that story and ideology, but that's not a word Peterson likes and he has his own ideas which, we'll get to even more, interestingly, Harris's. Idea is an accidental, ripoff of a theory developed by philosopher, Richard Boyd, in 1982. Called, the, homeostatic, plus the property theory of matter ethical naturalism sexy. Title Boyd. Thought that words like good and evil, refer, to real properties, out there in the material, world and that therefore statements. Like murder, is bad are capable. Of being objectively. True or at, least true, in the same way as scientific. Statements, are which, prompts the question to. What exactly, do. These words refer, Boyd's. Answer, is that they are cluster. Properties, groups. Of things that tend to go together the. Example, he uses is actually the same one Harris does health. There. Are all kinds of things that we would want to include in a definition, of the word healthy. Like, your heart should be beating and you should be able to breathe but. Do you have to be a certain size in, order to be healthy do. You have to not be in pain can, you have a beating heart and be, unhealthy. There's. A cluster of properties, here somewhere, that makes up the definition, of the word health but, we're never gonna pin down a definite, list because that's just not how the concept, works, despite. That vagueness though it's still very obviously, useful, and meaningful. Similarly. Boyd, thinks that a word like good refers. To a cluster of things that are non morally, good for humans like sharing, friendship, sharing love having, fun watching, quality, YouTube videos but just like with health you're, never gonna be able to pin down a full list because the concept, just isn't like that and, here's. The big takeaway, if we. Say John. Is healthy, we. Could be talking about any number of things in the cluster of health whether, he has a disease whether he works out whether he has a good relationship with his mother all of, which are objective. But. Whether the sentence, John, is healthy, is true. Will. Still depend on what aspect, of his health we're talking about it. Will still be relative, to. The context, in which we are saying it so, this relative, objective. Binary, that people like Peterson and Harris are working with is an oversimplification. The. Theory boyd defends, is called moral naturalism, it's about as objective, as ethical theories get but, statements. About morality, will, still be true or false relative. To, the context, in which we use them, objectivity. And relativity. Can. Go together. We've. Seen that, attempts, to find objective. Meaning in life through science, can, get pretty complicated pretty, fast which. Might be a problem if that meaning, is something you're expected, to kill for, turns.

Out Getting rid of subjectivity, isn't, so easy after all Peterson, has an interesting, relationship with subjectivity. He. Thinks there are two worlds the world of the objective, and the world of experience, and that it's the world of experience with things like pain and hunger, and stories. That people really, care about, it is, such things experienced. Personally. That are the most fundamental elements. Of human life from the archaic dramatic perspective, and they are not easily, reducible to detached, an objective, you're, not objective, you're, alive you're subjective. Just as the objective, world has atoms and fundamental, particles Petersen, thinks that the experiential. World, too has, its fundamental. Elements, the, dichotomy, for which he is famous, order. And, chaos. Chaos. Is the domain of ignorance itself it's, the foreigner the stranger the member of another gang the rustle in the bushes at nighttime chaos. Is also the foremost potential from which the god of Genesis one called forth order using language at the beginning of time and, chaos. Is freedom, order. By contrast, is explored territory order is tribe religion hearth home country, it's the warm secure living room where the fireplace glows, and the children play but. Order. Is sometimes tyranny. So here we see that Peterson thinks order and chaos can manifest in different ways at different times. No. Great problem there, but. In. That talk I showed you Peterson, gives two examples. Of order, the. Walls of the city and the, uniform, of the police but. There are those for whom walls and, borders are more representative, of chaos if, you've ever traveled internationally, you'll, know that crossing the border is a moment when the unknown and uncertainty. And anxiety can confront you and of course there are many people for whom the uniform of the police is a symbol of terror so can the same thing, be, both order. And chaos. At, the same time if. The, answer is no and they really are objective. At ease and it seems like Peterson needs to answer questions like what, are they and what are they made of from. His books and his conversations, with Harris it seems like he'd rather save either features of subjective, experience, so yes two, people could experience the same thing one as order and one as chaos just as two people could experience the same work of art differently, but if that's the case then.

Order And chaos are relative. Not. Just statements about them either but, the properties themselves, although. He's trying to escape it relativity. Is actually built right into the heart of Peterson's. Entire. Worldview, there's a big tension, here between somebody, who rails against, relativism, on the one hand but, places subjectivity, and, contextual. Understanding at, the heart of most of what he does on the other one, of those fake, Jordan, Peterson fans might say he's not really a relativist, he's, a pragmatist, he's, not trying to defend a philosophical, theory he's trying to help people there's, that whole bit in Chapter nine about how it's good to order your life based on some principles, whether it's Freud young religion, or whatever the point is to avoid nihilism. But I think it's a stretch to say that Peterson, would consider any ordered. Life to be as good, as any other it. Definitely seems like he thinks some interpretations. Of order and chaos are more on the money than others which, again is in deep tension with their relativistic. Nature, Peterson, I'm sure would say that order and chaos are evolved, into the structure of your human brains according. To him your ancestors. Learned that some behaviors, were advantageous, and they unconsciously. Developed, rules for, those behaviors, which we can come to be consciously, aware of through, the telling of stories that's. Why he thinks stories, and tradition are so important, so, it's, not a hundred percent relative, it's grounded. In people's experiences. But, it's still objectively. Biological. This, is quite similar to an idea developed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl, Jung one, of Peterson's major inspirations, who proposed the existence of a collective, unconscious, to. Explain, similarities. That he observed. Between. His patients, Peterson. Came up with his version to, explain similarities. That he observed in the, different fields he studied for maps of meaning but. Anything, is similar, to anything, if you. Look hard enough, lions. Are similar to lingerie in that they're both made of atoms, judging. Two things to be similar in a way that matters, though is. Subjective. And relative. To the context, as, a zookeeper once said to me lions are similar to laws written at they're both made of atoms but this is the lion enclosure of the Central Park Zoo so will you and your girlfriend please leave take, these two images one, is in 19th century painting, by Italian artist Roberto firuze II showing, the Virgin Mary and Jesus and the other is a vast from the 5th century BC showing, the goddess Demeter her daughter Persephone and the man tripped tall Amos being given some wheat I might. Say I think, there are similarities between these they're both images of women mothers symbols, of new life but, they're also different in many ways they come from very different cultures and times and are made of different materials, to. Say I think. There are similarities here, that are relevant relative. To certain contexts. Is a statement, that forefronts, a subjective, judgment I think there are similarities that, I am telling you about for, some reason that I have. But. If I say marry, and Demeter are both instances, of the archetype, of the Great Mother which exists, in the collective, unconscious, then.

It Sounds like I'm being objective, 12, rules for life is full of this what, philosophers, call reification. Making. Something into, a thing, from. Hierarchies, to archetypes, Peterson uses, objective sounding. Language when really what he's doing is subjectively. Drawing comparisons for, his own reasons and that's, the only true Jordan Peterson fan in the world I don't have a problem with that but, it does mean that all his psychology, still can't get him out of relativism, by. The standard. He sets himself his. Attempt, to find meaning, in life fails. None of this by the way is me claiming, that science is all subjective or the reality doesn't exist maybe there really is a collective, unconscious, maybe you have similar brains and therefore tend to think in similar ways but, the point is that the subjective, and the objective are, not so easily crobat apart which, is why questions. Like who. Gets to write the stories, who. Gets to decide what, represents, order and what that's chaos are, important. And, don't. Look now but. It looks like we're. Heading into. Bertolt. Brecht, was a 20th, century playwright. And theatre practitioner, one of those horribly, pretentious, people who tried to combine philosophy. With theater for which he was damned to hell for, all eternity and, Brecht, would often employ theatrical. Techniques that drew his audience's, attention to. The fact that they were watching a play he. Called it epic theater in contrast, to dramatic theater which tries to present an illusion, of reality rather, than maintain, a fourth-wall Brecht. Would try to deliberately. Remind, his audience, that, what they are watching is, just. So. Far I've done my best to engage with Peterson's ideas on their own terms and take, them seriously albeit. In a bit of an irreverent tone, but. Now I want to take a step back I said that there's this tension there between being. Very against relativism on the one hand but actually relying on it on the other and. I'm curious about why that tension is there Peterson, does not like post-modernism. At all he, associate, sit very much with the relativism, and the nihilism that he's trying to combat and, he says that the goal of post-modernism, is to reduce everything to power, relations, there, are no real categories, like race and gender no real morality, only, power and if, only power exists, then the use of power becomes fully justifiable, it is almost impossible to overestimate the nihilistic and destructive, nature of this philosophy it puts the act of categorization itself, into doubt it, negates the idea that distinctions, might be drawn between things for any reasons other than that a raw power why so down on post-modernism. Well Peterson, does, not like Marxism. At all, he's, reviewed the history the 20th century and he thinks that Marxism leads inevitably to tyranny. And genocide. And chaos and. That's. Another topic for another video we don't have time to get into it today. That's, just his political position he then says that Marxist, intellectuals, like Sartre, and Derrida, needed, some way of making Marxism, cool again after, everybody in Europe supposedly. Realized, that it was evil so they substituted. The idea of power for the idea of money society, was no longer repression, of the poor by the rich, it was the oppression of everyone by the powerful and this allowed them to crack right on with being evil Marxists, but just change, up the lingo, unfortunately. This. Misunderstands. Both Marxism, and post-modernism. As other youtubers, more talented than me have pointed out before those two sets of ideas are actually contradictory.

And At the time a lot of the early post modernists, were writing the Marxist left did not need help it was still going strong so, this idea that post-modernism, was a PR move or a cover-up by Marxists is I'm afraid just, theoretically. And historically false and. I know where he's gotten this idea to Peterson's made a source for a lot of these claims it's a book by the right-wing force of a Stephen Hicks called understanding. Post-modernism, and unfortunately. For our boy JP, the. Book is to put it technically just. It's really getting, bad if, you want the blow-by-blow of all the sloppy mistakes then Kok philosophy, has a great video on it but Hicks is central error that then gets transmitted, over to Peterson is this idea that post-modernism, is essentially, destructive. But. When Foucault for instance was talking about how, knowledge, always, presupposes. Some power relations, the, real goal was to say oh you know knowledge. In logic. It's just what's the oppressors. Say it is and the truth is, just, whatever, so let's. Tear down the, capitalist, patriarchy. All the structures, of the West and. And. That's just not what post-modernism, is about that's all so I mentioned Brecht, a few minutes ago an example, of a Brechtian technique, might be using, title cards to tell the audience what's about to happen doing. A serious piece in a silly costume showing. Them how, a particular, effect is achieved or. Showing. Them how, the show is made to, draw your attention to the fact that what you're watching is a constructed, representation. Not, reality, because, once you see how, the story, is made to go the way it goes you, also. See how it could have gone differently, Brecht, himself was a Marxist, and he wanted his audiences to criticize, his characters, in their store as an, intro to criticizing. Their own but, it needn't be just a Marxist thing the British comedian see. The Sun has just come out from behind a cloud and it's completely changed the colour temperature in here this. Is why I hate filming, with natural light this. This is why coloured, lights are just objectively better I, mean. Of the two principles Apollonian, and Dionysian this is a clear demonstration of why the done I've seen this better Brecht himself, was a Marxist, and he wanted his audiences, to criticize his characters, and their world as an. Intro. To criticising their own but it needn't be just, a Marxist thing the British stand-up comedian Stuart Lee uses a lot of Brecht in the theatre techniques to get his audience to criticize, the comedy, industry. Which. Is probably why so many young stand-up comedians, struggling, in that same industry, try and rip him off. One. Of the best modern examples, of Brecht in theatre techniques I can think of is this TV show it's read thoughtful, it's, really cerebral, like very intellectual but a slow burner, it's called RuPaul's Drag Race the show cuts between footage, of the Queen's performing, and confessional. Footage which is shot out of drag reminding. The audience that at least on this show these, are performance is done by and large by, men and when, they perform as the Queen's they're outrageous, and campion over-the-top it's kind of hyper femininity. Which, prompts the audience to ask why, what. Are gender expectations anyway, really and do you care more, about meeting, those expectations. Or. About, looking good but, getting somebody to question, why something, is the way it is isn't. The same as getting them to throw it out Petersen. Says that post-modernism, and critiques, about how power shapes, our ideas remove, the possibility of choice choice. Has no place in the ideological picture, if men, and women act voluntarily to, produce gender, unequal outcomes those, very choices must have been determined by cultural bias in consequence.

Everyone, Is a brainwashed, victim whatever gender differences exist and the rigorous critical, theoretician, is morally, obligated to set them straight the surrounding context makes it clear there that he's talking about setting people straight through force, so again there's. This idea that it's essentially, violent and destructive, generously. Ignoring, the fact that Peterson frequently. Does the same thing he's criticizing. Their assumes. Without talking to people that he knows what's going on inside their heads and what's really good for them trans, rights he's, correct, to note that power sometimes shapes, us even on the level of our desires but. Realizing that doesn't take away choice if anything it gives us more choices because now we, can think about why we value the things we do like Brecht, the goal of post-modernism and critical theory isn't to minimize the role of choice or the individual, or justify violence, against those who make the wrong choices it's, to get you to realize that many of the things you see around you and the, ways in which you look at them can. Change if. You want them to and. Drawing. People's attention to their psychological bad habits so they can reflect on where they come from and whether or not they want to indulge them post-modernism. Is doing a similar thing just, on the level of societies, and ideas, in 12 rules for life Peterson talks about the importance of articulating. Clearly, what you want of standing, up for yourself of thinking about what you value and why you value, it of taking risks and being daring, even if it potentially risks your safety or other people's and that's all good advice but. He only wants you to do it as an individual, if. You start getting together with other people, standing. Up for yourselves, articulating. Clearly what you want thinking, about what you value and why you value, it politically. Speaking, maybe advocating, for some potentially. Risky, and transformative. Social, ideas. All. Of a sudden, that's. A bad thing because. It doesn't fit with his politics or is, understanding, of human psychology which as we've seen is pretty subjective the peterson project is deeply, relativist, deeply subjective, and deeply, ideological. And again as the only true fan, of jordan Peterson in the entire, world I don't. Have a problem with that but. I'm not the, one who built my whole career telling people that these ideas pave the road to hell. Well. Bugger, me blue it looks like life really is meaningless after all whether, we try to find objective, value through brain scans, or Petersons, ism or whatever. Stefan molyneux to peddling it, looks like we can't escape the quicksand, of relativism, and subjectivism, we. Could give religion another go but. It. Just seems like a lot of work, also. It has its own philosophical problems, which are pretty well trodden I just, want to have fun, is there any philosophy, that's about having fun well there is one idea that's a, little bit controversial, maybe. You've heard of it it's. Called try. And fucking enjoy yourself, hedonism. Is. Like snakes, it. Has a nasty reputation but, it's, actually, quite sweet it's. Associated, with Vice and, frivolous.

Enjoyment, Social. Media, and. Seeking. Pleasure outside, of the light of Christ but, when philosophers, talk about pleasure they don't just mean the cheap and easy thrills pleasure. Can. Mean any mental. State that is desired, that means, that we can still talk about somebody, experiencing. Pleasure even. If they are physically, in. Pain and, yes there, are some pleasures. That if overindulged. In might, lessen your pleasure in the long run heroin. And infidelity. To. Name just two, components of my typical Friday night I once spent an entire Sunday, in a bathtub coming down from getting absurdly high on MDMA and. It was one of the bleakest periods of my life because my brain wouldn't, make any more of a happy juice and now, I don't do MDMA, anymore because it's a whole lot of pleasure in one go but it limits the pleasure of my whole life and a, general attempt to maximize pleasure, over your lifetime could, lead to a pretty meaningful existence and if you don't want to think of it as hedonism, think of it as. Maximizing. Your own rational, self-interest, with respect to happiness you can be a hedonist, and still, reflect, on why you want, what, you want still. Pay attention to your own thoughts as peterson might put it it's not about being a slave to your passions all the time by choosing to get off the mandy i'm sacrificing, small. Pleasures now for, greater pleasure. Overall, which, is something that Peterson also places, a lot of emphasis on believe me hedonism, is entirely, consistent, with delayed, gratification a, philosophy, of life that tells, people to ignore pleasure, just isn't going to go anywhere that's, why I'm not so hot on most major religions even. Peterson, with all of his life is suffering rhetoric, knows, this the final, rule in 12 rules for life is pet. A cat when you encounter, one on the street and what, is that if not an invitation to take pleasure in the little things when you find them I know, that in my darkest moments I find a little thing that brings me pleasure it's important to do something other than masturbate, yes, Nietzsche's, approach was, to say look a work, of art can be stylish yes and, to say that it's stylish implies, some standard, but. Stylishness, is less about the work conforming, to an external objective standard. And more, about a particular harmony. Between all the notes so. Sing the song of your life like. A work of art with. Balance and grace call. It a torrid, espressivo. Some, Forte and some pn s MO some solos and some ensemble, pieces a little bit of dueling day and probably some wrong notes especially, if it's me singing The, Clash's acknowledged, and faced up to but, presented in such a way as to make them sublime, so, that the effect of the whole is, a kind of harmony and this. Too is consistent, with hedonism, in, order to get what you desire you have to know yourself and understand. All, of your varied, wants, even. See. This is why Jordan Peterson's favorite Russian author is Dostoyevsky, but mine is Ladda, mein avakov because, the characters, in Nabokov, books understand, that sometimes the. Best response, to the meaninglessness, of life is, to just fuck your own sister the, French philosopher Albert, Camus had his own strategy for confronting nihilism, he thought there was a fundamental, contradiction between, humans, desire to seek meaning, in your lives and life, itself which is meaningless and he, gave this contradiction a name the. Absurd. Camus. Wasn't, a hedonist but he wouldn't have been a fan of Peterson either he thought you shouldn't run from the absurd try to pick goals and meaning like cleaning a room to, escape it instead, he wanted people to live their lives in full knowledge of its meaninglessness, to, confront, the absurd and go. On living anyway. One of the figures Camus, discusses, is Don Juan a legendary. Character of theater and literature, who appears as a serial, seducer, of women, he, travels from country to country often in disguise seducing.

Women Of all ages and backgrounds not, out of a secret desire for true love running, about nonsense but, for, the sheer sport, of seduction. Many. Versions of the story give, moral, commentary. On his actions some, even end with him being sent here to hell and, one of the objections to hedonism is that you could lead a very pleasurable, life but. A very immoral, one, Camus. May also have had a personal investment in the character of Don Juan in 1959. He wrote a letter containing. The sentence, this, frightful. Separation. Will at least bring home to us more than ever the. Constant, need we, have for each other I await. You full, of strength, and, passion. That. Letter was. Not addressed to his wife but. To one of his four. Mistresses. But. Camus says, that Don Juan isn't immoral per. Se, he's just a moral, morality. Doesn't factor into what he considers a worthwhile existence, how could it once, he'd confronted, the absurd and realized that life is meaningless, this, is distinct, from hedonism, because it's not just about pleasure, it's, about taking the right attitude, towards. The pleasure an argument. That sadly, mrs.. Camus, was not persuaded, by his. Second wife Francine, for had depression and jumped. Off a balcony, in part, because of her, husband's infidelity, she. Survived and their reconciled, but to me this illustrates a far stronger objection, to hedonism, sometimes. Its trailer doesn't work some. Days are so bleak that even. The thought of pleasure, and happiness just. Makes. Me sick thinkest. Thou that I who saw, the face, of God and tasted. The eternal, joys of heaven I'm not, tormented. With ten thousand. Hell's in, being, deprived, of, everlasting, bliss and, then. The water goes cold but, you sit there anyway because sometimes, hell, is. A bathtub, in Debden, but, as we've seen other. Attempts, to find meaning in life are hardly, a hundred percent effective or morally, bulletproof, either what. I do on those days is, try. And talk to my friends and then they don't answer my messages because I'm a reclusive internet weirdo so I listen.

To Music or look at art or if it's really not working I just wait, for the drugs to wear off so, that I can sing the next verse of my life and every. Single, time. I would, rather have the, snake. Than. The snake. You. Promise too. Much. So, busy, showing. Me where. You. Forgot, to switch your, feelings. Goodbye. Dr., P. Goodbye. Don't aunty. Good. Killed. Us. Goodbye. John. You. You. Does, moral, relativism, lead to pussy worship yes.

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The Big Bad Wolf I wouldn’t say it’s legitimate, the song is a parody. But, it’s also difficult to fight against, which is the way YouTube made it to be.

You know, I think the nudity and snakes are a revolutionary teaching tool. Usually if sitting down to listen to a 40min video, I'll boot up tetris on the side to keep my eyes and hands busy, or pick up some knitting. But here... I... I just can't tear my eyes away....

Do a video on abolishing copyright!

+Dream Delirium I do, but right wing, gun nut, loonies don't. Which is what makes it a fun aesthetic. It's a paradody within a parody.

Oh shit!!!!

+Robert Hamilton So, you have no idea what Satanism is...

+Master Adjustereification

Snakes and some nails and contacts was more than the horse?

+Dream Delirium because its a fun aesthetic and neither God nor Satan exist.

This one got me to be a monthly Patron, Olly. Well done you

+Riley Carpenter There's a url for where you can do at the bottom of the screen for most of the ending song.

Re upload it buddy. You're work deserves the cash

I'd like to add that I believe Harris's scientific objective morality stems from his neuroscience background. He believes the human brain and human society has evolved a basic set of moral ideals, that most people will tend to adhere to. Where I think it gets tricky, is Harris's belief in the lack of freewill. He knows that every human is hardwired differently, and even believes the legal system should reflect this. To me this seems to contradict his scientific objective morality. Am I wrong, or have I missed something?

I am a Nihilist, and I sort of recent what Lucifer said about my ilk. I have values and goals, I just don't believe in any kind of prescribed meaning of purpose to life. The universe is cosmically indifferent to us and our existence. Morality is subjective ( although we experience empathy in most cases, which makes us less likely to cause intentional suffering in others.)... I mean, look who I'm talking to... You obviously know what Nihilism actually means... I just hate the implications, that Peterson, and even other Atheists, will slander is Nihilists with.

Its one of your bests for sure, way more detailed then my usual 'lack nuance in his thought' I try to oversimplify it to. Also, Lucifolly is best looking olly.

Satan has a good sense of humour, but he always DMCAs. As a matter of principle... of DARKNESS!

BolshevikMuppet omg, I didn't catch on to the satire via pun! I was just thinking about our minds being blown

Ilias liakos he's literally been an actor, like I could imagine that the format of Contrapoints's, Nicki Minaj, so forth are wet dreams!

joshmbrown42 GYAL! omfg hdhdhgahdhfhdjjdhs

Liam Boyd well, this portrayal of Satan was definitely sassy. But yes, it appears that for sass to occur we have to be familiar with the characters.

Dream Delirium "The Church Of Satan" is actually a bunch of (over)dramatic humanists. sound familiar? But seriously, it seems to partly be a meme recently. Like within the past few days, Vox covered the satan themed spectacle of rock in the 1980s that led to the "parental advisory" sticker.

This happened yet again!?!

I’m not 100% sure how YouTube’s copyright claims work, but there’s a pretty decent argument that your satirical song falls within fair use in the U.S under Seltzer v. Green Day, Inc., 725 F.3d 1170 (9th Cir. 2013). The 9th circuit is important here because it covers California.

+Riley Carpenter He mentions ko-fi in the video, can't recall the username at present.

Nothing is more pleasurable than a life spent with friends.

How does it not count as parody

Although I am fervent Buddhist, your case for hedonism is good Great video

I hope you fight it. If you don't, it's probably a good idea to take it out of the video and just release it exclusively for your patrons/ on another social media site to encourage following you there. After all the work you've put in I can't imagine having your video demonitized feels good :(

Fucking capitalism

Probably your best one to date too, incredible Work!

copying contra points huh?

I bet the out takes for this are great. How hard would it be to hold a straight face during this lol

Soooo... you're posting nude cosplay on patreon, right?


Dude I loved it! And I've never donated to anyone, but your tip top In my book. So, I am considering shelling out those precious clams that choas junkies like myself sweat and bleed for. I usually get caught up by pedantic rehtoric. I am definitely just a regular joe or Bob. Therfore so grateful for a variety of perspective. You got it going on man.

+Liam Boyd ...who feels a little derivative of Kenneth Anger...

+Riley Carpenter His paypal is listed in the description

I like the style. I really do, it just feels a bit derivative of contrapoints.

I love when you put little easter eggs in the captions for us

...that dad bod, tho...

+Matthew Morris ...I mean...duh.

"Hedonism is entirely consistent with delayed gratification" Ollie likes edging confirmed.

(Sigh)...why is all of Lefttube into Satanism? I mean, don't answer that, I know why, but don't you think you're just giving the...frankly, very real, very gun-owning and very frightening Fundie conspiracy theorists all of the "ammo" they need?

+pietzsche How do you distinguish somthing that is true to all humans from somthing objective? If there's no distinction then... well there's no distinction.

Are you thinking of ever making a video about how capitalism shapes the way we think about consent? How you're being basically subjected to a form of authoritarianism by YouTube for example but because the magic right-libertarian definition of "voluntary" is met everything is fine?

"I'd rather have the Snake, than the Snake Oil Salesmen" needs to be a shirt

+zack rudinski philosophically objective things are true without respect to perspective. Something that appears true to all humans would just be relative to all humans. Truly objective things seem unlikely as the idea is internally contradictory. Scientists often use the term "objective" but that's more a function of language than a commitment to the philosophical concept

+Master Adjuster reification?

Of course Peterson is subjective. He talks about stories, fgs. But what he isn't is skeptical of everything and that IS what postmodernism does. Tearing down systems of ideas and traditions that have technically given people meaning, is what he talks about when he means nihilism. But hey, what do I know. I'm an objectivist.

holy shit dude check out the copenhagen interpretation of quantum mecanics i couoldnt stop thinking about it watching this

Philosophy Tube fantastic video

Great Singing!

You spent all the money on snakes and manicures didn't you. I bet ContraPoints is proud.

+Master Adjuster Reification.

I'm gladly gonna throw you a buck or two on paypal but I can't afford to do that every month, I'm sorry :(

I am watching the premier and wondering how some comments pre-date the uploading of this video. Excellent work by the way. If I was not a low wage worker living paycheck to paycheck I would definitely support you financially so you could continue to produce such high quality content.

I didn’t know live snakes were that expensive! Gonna go donate.

I don’t understand why there isn’t some system in place that would allow creators to get their videos checked for possible copyright issues before they are posted, or for creators to be able to make minor updates without losing all of the views, likes, and comments.

Philosophy Tube Thanks for also pointing out the tension between Marxism and Postmodernism.

Would you say that the claim was legitimate?

Hey, aren't you calling things common to all humanity relative, when what's the same to all of humanity has to be considered objective? As with your police example, yes they represent different things to different people, because they behave differently depending on one's actions and circumstances. However, the enterprise to populate other planets is universally in the realm of chaos because no one has set up a martian colony, and could be considered to be objectively chaotic. Just the same, if a thing improves the net good of humanity, it would be objectively good.

+Riley Carpenter at patreon you can, if not just unsubscribe right away

Philosophy Tube Moral Relativism and Postmodernism are awesome.

Do you guys sometimes think we're just entrenched in our particular brand of hedonism? It occurs to me that it has to be so easy to just listen to daddy Peterson's advice, so like... we don't we? Wouldn't that be the height of hedonism?

+Master Adjuster reification

I'm watching the premiere and there's like sixty bucks worth of super chats in it right now, so hopefully that compensates for the ad revenue loss. Just to check, copyright strikes don't redirect that to Sony too?

Can you please spell, don't laugh!, raification?

Is there a place I can make a one time donation?

Olly, you make great content and as soon as I get out of my undergrad and get a job (I'm about to graduate with a BA in History!) I will definitely donate to you. You've got a lifelong subscriber, keep up the great work.

Oh my God YouTube sucks!!

I'm really glad you still decided to keep your original vision and not to re-upload it with the musical outro edited out. Goodbye, Doctor P.!

I'm not gonna lie, the 'Lucifer, Lord of Darkness' look is H O T af

PT with snakes curling around all of his bear glory... my kink mine shall never run dry between this and Contrapoints. I'm always here for a good smackdown of Daddy Lobster, even if all that's there to say about him has already been said.

It may be just me being unable to stop defending my dear old Harris, but isn't 29:47 basically his Moral Landscape when extended to a group?

13:55 There's a certain irony in the fact that Olly, dressed as Lucifer, is reading a quote from Peterson that could just as well have been some flavour text in a Shin Megami Tensei game.

Nails by Contrapoints

i will have to rewatch because for some reason..... i couldnt always..... concentrate....................

Cute snek

This homo will die of aids before he reaches 40

Well hot damn, male Contra Points over here has some golden pipes on him. Top quality song there!

Great video mate! Thanks and cheers from Argentina!

Cuck Philosophy is a great channel. Nice to see it cited.

I loved the singing at end--and this is coming from someone who's pet peeve is unexpected singing! As I stew in my own version of your bathtub, this video was exactly what I always hoped you'd make. I've been a religious fan for a year now; I never commented until this treat of a video. (In fact, this is the first comment ever made.) But, I feel so horrible in my hedonism. The world seems to be against me everywhere. As dawn rises from another sleepless night, I'm reminded of more than one ray of hope. So underrated and well produced! Keep it up, gorgeous!

In the service of preventing future bathtub woes- I have found that having a cone as you’re coming down from the pingers slightly lifts you back up, and then lets you float down gently.

Logic based hedonism is the SHIT.

I hate it when my dads fight :(

i am here for the unnatural lighting!!!

One.... Don't stand so close to me. (just like that old man in that book by Nabokov) Two... Snake handling literally forced you to adopt some handeography, and tied into Drag Race via the aesthetic of POSING. Three... Body-positivity and aesthetic sensuousness is super important especially in any intellectual content on the left, bc on top of the alienation we all already face regardless of ideology, a leftist's direct confrontation with active practices of reconcialition amongst all of us can actually initially heighten the sense of alienation (though recognition and articulation of difference), and can require-- and should require-- initially reified boundaries as we negotiate new ways of relating to each other. That last point fits perfectly with your Goodbye Mr A. When we're encountering ppl from different contexts and backgrounds, we have to initially work together on coming up with common frameworks ("have all the answers") cognitively before we can really trust each other enough to connect viscerally ("but no human touch"). You're gonna get some tension for putting yourself viscerally out there and accenctuating your body and being sensuous (I'll be blunt-- I've already seen takes on you saying you're playing to sex appeal), but I think leftists could stand to learn to behold visceral, sensuous cues from strangers and separate that out from a sense of threat or violated boundaries. This squeamishness is something I see very prevalent on the left and in left praxis. (And it comes from a good place of protection and consent and respect, but becomes warped when ppl mistake passive seduction-- like what I as someone attracted to men might feel simply beholding your visceral cues-- with an active entrapment or sirening.) I like that you and other aesthetics-heavy Breadtubers are inviting viewers to mix the intellectual with the visceral, and these flare-ups of squeamishness need to be encountered with something more than the bipolar response of indulgence (like ppl shipping you and Natalie, which I find squicky as a process) or repugnance (like ppl saying it's wrong for either of you to show off your beauty). How else can we traverse the absurd? Thank you for your vulnerability and for more great content. Please consume more Drag Race. Drag makes men better men, and stronger men. Even just beholding queens interacting. Queer masculinity is healthier than tradmasc and always has been!

i am here for the tiddies! the chest hair! the makeup! the look!

Oh. And these days when I think about "order", I can only think about John Bercow...

Great impression of Peterson.

Oliver how dare you look so pretty in this, I keep getting distracted because I’m thinking about drawing you.

A delight as always! :D

I'm drunk.. Also I ship you and Natalie. You guys should get married and adopt beautiful philosophically informed children. Also sexy shirtless Lucifer is hot. Keep doing the things

Was that Mary Daly reference?

This is the day we say yes today Satan

What works for you, works for you. What works for everyone, is an environment/society that allows you to do what works for you. Thanks for the video.

Could you, in the future Lucifer, keep snakes out of your videos. It's kinda dissstracting.

Man, you've absolutely nailed the 1970's Satanist look; though your production values are a lot better. Snakes, how the fork do the work? Some days, even Hedonism doesn't work, "Even smiling makes my face ache."

Loved the Peterson accent.

The ContraPoints influence is Thick. Speaking of thick, goddamned Olly is sexeh.

oo the lighting in the 13th minute !!

I love how the aesthetic of this video mirrors contrapoints' one

Beautiful counterpoint to the austere bedroomist labyrinth of semantic distinctions..shower me with your bisexual uterine shreds...oh those furry nipples maketh me lactate.

Because I'm an idiot, I'm gonna write some ambitious response comment to this video that no one will ever read, what am I doing, someone stop me from wasting my time and effort. Ok, so around the 8min mark you're pretty much making excuses for religious patriarchy and oppression? Religion has a faith-based epistemology, thus it has very little in the way of a filter of what ideas can and should be obeyed and preserved, thus it can act as a way to keep bad ideas alive and protected. Sure, the typical modern-day internet fedora-tipping, "I'm-an-atheis-debate-me" douchbag(basically me) can often be kind of a stubborn casual misogynist shitlord, but it's not as if religion has some great track-record of being pro-woman, or or other societal issues. Yeah, sure, lots of religions have cultural ties to bad practices, and bad practices aren't always religious, but religion helps provide a kind of flexible magical world-view that I think makes it at least a bit easier to justify and keep alive bad ideas. Sure, we should point to bad ideas outside of islam, we should point out when islam is being criticized unfairly, but in this video I more get a sense that you're being dismissive of these islam-directed critiques more in general. Yes, anti-islam narratives can be toxic, but I think the solution is to constructively promote more nuance narratives, not just take pot-shots at the supposedly overly-critical narrative, that just comes across as partisan. Or maybe I'm interpreting you uncharitably? Feel free to say. Regarding Harris and whether or not veils are voluntary, I think it's absurd to characterize it as being purely voluntary or involuntary. I mean, come on, maybe I'm just completely mischaracterized you, but aren't you the kind of person who's generally very quick to talk all about how society has all these complex and subtle nuances to it that affect how we act and think about others? I think it's probably true that a lot of western women have some amount of undue pressure to put on makeup and dress sexily, and I think it's probably true that a lot of women in islamic(and other) cultures have undue pressure to wear veil, etc. I don't know exactly how one would go about determining what the "truly fair and optimal" societal attitude on this matter would look like, but I think it's fair to say that that kind of "modesty-culture" probably isn't the best answer to be content with. So regarding the idea of having "fact-based authority" in social question, I think people are interpreting Harris too uncharitably, I don't think he's literally saying that he wants to rule the world with an iron hand and use his infallible logical authority to absolutely tell everyone what they can or cannot do, it seems more like he's making points against relativism. I think it probably is true, that if you got enough people together, and you made them perfectly aware of all the arguments on all matters and perfectly aware of all the facts and possible outcomes relating to the issues, they would probably converge on a relatively narrow range of answers to social and many types of philosophical questions. Of course, that's very, VERY theoretical and speculative, but I think that it's probably the best we cans strive for as an ideal, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be very cautious and humble in how we go about it in practice. At least to me, that's the sort of thinking I read into the stuff Harris says, I assume he's just trying to promote discourse where it's possible to frankly discuss ideas that are socially uncomfortable. But maybe I'm projecting my own thinking onto him and am being to charitable? Who knows. I think Sam Harris is the thing that the dog-whistlers pretend to be (a person who is "just asking questions", "discussing ideas boldly", etc), which in turn makes him look like what they truly are, when they use those pretenses as excuses to signal concerning messages. I lean towards thinking Sam is an honest and respectable guy who wants to promote sane discourse, so at this point I'm really tired and sad over the amount of uncharitable criticism he gets.

6:18 "Yuck" was excessive. It made the video less subtle and worse.

Superb. Thank you for this

I’m glad Philosophy Tube, unlike Contrapoints, does not completely misunderstand and misrepresent Nietzsche.

Nice Bill & Ted reference!

Hey Oliver, beautiful video but as i have pointed out to you before i think the philosophical works of Charles Taylor could´ve added an interesting perspective here. I would highly recommend to you to look into his works "A Secular Age", "The Ethics of Authenticity" and "Sources Of The Self". I would be really interested in your opinion about Taylors work especially because the themes in this most recent video of yours are very related to it but still offer a bit of a different perspective on the topic.

Like all of your most layered and complex videos, I had to watch this one a few times to see how all of the points and themes build on and interconnect with one another. Simply brilliant. You may yet inspire me to start my own channel.

I ship oli with contra so hard

Came here looking for Kermit, left with the devil and the Hoosiers. Thanks m8.

Those snakes can fuck off. There's a fact verifiable by science.


I see you've finally accepted your place in the world as a discount contra. I appreciate this, patreon dollars will be sent

I'm sorry, what was all that? I was watching the snakes.

This is your finest video so far. Perfectly timed and structured. Hail satan!

I know this is a weird compliment, but fuck it... Oli, you have good body hair distribution.

I almost didn't click on this video, because holy fucking shit that thumbnail is creepy! XD Glad I did though.

This was my favorite look in Rupaul's Monster Ball

9:10 me too, snake

Sometimes JP looks less as a philosopher/psychologist and more like a W40k real world AU fan.

That moment when you realise you were actually a marxist in denial all along. Damn! I couldn't stop laughing for a solid minute xD

32:00 Stupid question but... Does anyone know what's the name of the painting in the background, and also the music?

+L H Peacock oh wow that was fast. Thank you so much!

Hieronymus Bosch “The garden of earthly delights” don’t recall the date

Look at those little cuties

So where does the misogyny and lobsters enter Peterson's work?

I'm fond of Gert's work in The Moral Rules.

This MFr stays not wearing a shirt

Where can I read the full Jordan Peterson Kirk/Spock slashfic?

Make up and NAIL CONSULTANT - nice

v scary peterson impression olly....

Thanks for another great video philosophy daddy! I would love some ideas on something I have been thinking about: I recently listened to an episode of the podcast Invisibilia where they discussed the generational shift regarding empathy. Should you be empathic to everyone (older generation), or should you reserve your empathy for your own team, and/or the victim (younger generation)? Is there a cost to being empathic to all? The story discussed was a man who at 14, out of jealousy, had shared naked photos of his girlfriend. He then joined the Incels, but later realised that women are actually just people. He no longer has bad acne and can just go get a date. So he left the Incels, and is happier now. In the story, Journalist 1 is making us empathise with his pain and why he was mean to his ex. He used to be bad, but has become better! Whereas the younger Journalist 2 made us empathise with the victims of his women-hating phase, and claimed that the empathise-with-perpetrator style becomes a form of "Him-pathy" that undermines the victim. (This could be generalised to neo-nazis for instance). After hearing this story I can't make up my mind about whether empathy is too costly to just be given to everyone. Or if empathising with the ex-incel man is the only way to connect and create a better society? Again, thanks, this is by far the best side of youtube! ^_^

gosh, i had a few other videos queued up before this one, but they keep talking about some fabulous nails in the comments and now i have to see this now

Your Peterson sounds a little like George Lucas.

I recommend Digibro's video: OBJECTIVITY DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST

Holy shit this is most garbage philosophy video I have ever seen.

I'm worhsipping pussy and I good, bad or just sexually frustrated?

Pussy worship. I'm dead.

Man, there's nothing worse than youtubers who speak at the "don't wake up mom" volume and don't bother correcting the audio levels.

Ah man I don't think you get it

The Richard Boyd / Sam Harris comparison was almost worth seeing you in that outfit.

GOODBYE DR P !!!!!!!!!!!

You look very nice in natural light ;)

When he took off the mask at the beginning I audibly, out loud, said "Olli, no!"

do the people you buy costume pieces from watch your channel?

People like Peterson and Consorts needs to be silenced.

I love how were're all low key horny on main for Olly

I wonder if we can call religious Paradise the perfect hedonist's dream?

Why didn't i get notifications???? This video is everything

Börtold Brekkt. I cringe every time I hear an english speaking person say sth in German.

13:25 That impression is on point.

so the big takeaway from this video is that olly could definetly do a Kermit the frog impression. rainbow connection when

since watching this YouTube wont stop recommending petersons videos to me

Will you two just reproduce already and bring forth the Antichrist? Jeez.

I have to stop at the hedonism bit. Sorry. Your hedonistic pleasures are made possible by the labor of suffering. If the post modernist sjw want to deconstruct every angle of contention, then your pleasure is only possible by the exploitation and neglect of those whom labor to make your pleasure manifest. Think of hedonism as selfishness and negligence.Again I suggest Nichiren Buddhism and the concept of three thousand realms in a single moment of life for illumination on the duality of being in both heaven and hell simultaneously. The meaning of life should not be thought of as hedonism rather as altruism. How can I make my life better by helping some other life to be better.

No anime philosophy? I thought that was permanent. Feck off Olly. Unsubbed

Lucifer is illegally sexy wtf man!!!!! Also. Snake babey. I love them

also, I could listen to u sing for ages!! Lovely


Oliver, I love your videos and I'm always so excited to hear from you, but my terrifying phobia of snakes makes me impossible to watch this vid. Sorry, still love you tho!

A crtique,He is not in character as Natalie , Oliver is more like he is a just Oliver in Satan make up. Nataline becomes the character.Other wise thumbs up

I have to wonder what their problem with pussy worship is. Like, have they *seen* pussy? *chef's kiss*

Oh wow, I get why you were set on keeping the credits song in even when it's being demonetized. That is just so god damn unfair that people can steal the revenue that you deserve for including an amazingly covered song; your performance of it is what is amazing, not the song itself taken in some faux objective context removed from your presentation of it. You picked the correct song for the context, and you performed it well; the song author would get a taste in a fair system, but the effort invested by you in reifying the Platonic form of this song into existence for your credits would get the lion's share of recognition deserved. Also, I love how the bigger snake kept trying to strangle you.

God damn it; I hate when YouTube fucks up the "show more" with a single word. Why can't the editor line count be consistent with the actual formatting?

sheesh, these youtube pseudo philosophers are trying to peacock now.

also I'd like to volunteer as a snake for any and all future videos k thx bye

Chaos is the archenemy of mankind.



I have a friend who had a pet snake when she was 8-9 years old. She loved it and took it out of his cage to put it around her neck. One day the snake stopped eating, so she was really worried. After a few days, she and her parents took it to a doctor. When the doctor saw the snake, he immediately threw it in its cage and told her to get rid of it immediately. Turns out the snake had stopped eating because he was PLANNING TO FUCKING EAT HER. Moral of the story: never trust snakes. Great video by the way.

ollie + snakes = heaven

just reupload it with the music edited a bit?

Brave free speech warriors lmao The SJWs vs the FSWs

+The Humungus The wavelengths of light absorbed by, and translucent to, Earth's atmosphere remain the same relative to the composition of that atmosphere, however the meaning of 'blue' can never be objectively verified as no 2 sets of human eyes or optic nerves are precisely the same. No 2 historical experiences with 400 nanometer wavelength light are the same. Every consciousness is as valid as the next. Objective perspective is either a myth, or hypothetically possible if experienced by some form of god. If that argument doesn't win you over? In my universe it's a fact that objectivity doesn't exist

The sky is blue. It doesn't matter if you're color blind.... it's still blue.

+The Humungus Wait a minute... what if... he's complaining because he used the copyrighted material as obvious satire... and they nailed him on copyright anyway!

Considering that you are a paid left wing communist shill... I don't know why you're complaining?

dlive is an upcoming platform

+Aaron B Lingwood Ah, so that's how it works.

+Robin Evans Patrons get it early.

+Mark B Not exactly. There is a subtle difference, I will explain: Peterson is a pragmatist (could be from his university training) and pragmatists do not have a set of ethics of their own (not even Dewey's imo). Its basically a parasitic philosophy that relies on another code of ethics, but then evaluates parts of it to see if it fits its use. Peterson is (rightly) claiming that society now - which is mostly pragmatic - is dependant on ethics from religion. Meaning, atheists are connected to religion in the west as long as they remain pragmatic.

That manicure did look particularly pricey ;)

I am sorry for the demonetization of this video.

Olly will you be doing a chill comment stream about this video? Would love to hang out and hear more about the making! x


+Jonathan Ⓥ what peterson really hates is atheism because he believes in a subjective made up God. He just won't admit that publicly often.

+Robert Hamilton Yeah, fun for YOU, when they aren't your neighbors. Enjoy your "not in a Conservative area" privilege.

+Riley Carpenter PayPal, check above or an earlier vid

Do you guys sometimes think we're just entrenched in our particular brand of hedonism? It occurs to me that it has to be so easy to just listen to daddy Peterson's advice, so like... why don't we? Wouldn't that be the height of hedonism?

JP never actually says anything though.

Going full contra I see


Make up & nails consultant Nathalie Wynn.

'Other Youtubers, more talented than me..." Of whom there are very few. Bravo.

Yay Contrapoints' (hetero?)life mate uploaded again

I will build my religion around... season 2 of The Mighty Boosh.

Jesus I just left like ten comments Hey philosophy tube, old time fan just recently started seeing your videos again keep doing what you do, I'm having a blast criticizing this video lmao, so thanks for that also for all the awesome points and visuals in the video

Peterson's not looking for objective value but he's definitely not looking for subjective value He's looking for intersubjective value Which, us all being western humans, to some degree there is and to some degree he accomplishes that goal

27:30 Acch fair point I mean I see why he's really opposed to it, people can "get together in a damn mob" as he say, just because they're resentful for bad reasons, find themselves deserving when they aren't or want to hurt and destroy when they shouldn't I think I and he would say that you should collectively get together, but it should stem from your individual moral agreement to participate

Stupid sexy Oliver!

25:57 Jordan Peterson, yelling this at you from the carpark of a Jacksonville Hooters OMG i am DIEING

Is the music gonna be a regular thing now? Because I love it. Reminds me of overly sarcastic productions.

Look sure, the stuff he says about "this is the mother in the collective unconscious" is a subjective claim but it's not relatively subjective in some way that any other subjective claim about the collective unconscious would have equal authority or validity maybe its not scientific, that depends on your philosophy of science but the thing is that, assuming evolutionary theory applies to humans, the context of the subjective experience of many humans has being a human as a constant Hence you can have inductive arguments about the collective unconscious that are more or less cogent edit: but nvm you said that a couple seconds later lmao

It ain't a lefttube video if it doesn't have color filtered lighting

17:25 Judging two things to be similar in a way that matters though is subjective and relative to the context Yeah but we're all human. So some parts of the context are the same in each case. Hence not "anything is similar to anything if you look hard enough"

good job ripping off Contrapoints. also your tits are amazing. subscribed

Eh 15:00 On the tao part, it seems like jordan peterson talks about intersubjectively objective things rather than claiming that subjective things are objective At the beginning of his book "maps of meanings" he gives the example of a child coming up to you and saying "I saw a scary man" He says something like "The man part is objective, but we all know what the scary part means" Of course its relative, different people would have different reactions to the word "scary" But yet those differences seem smaller than the similarities. I imagine the majority of people would have a very similar reaction Maybe I'm giving him too much credit

Camus eventually gave up on absurdism rebelling against the absurb is just an unfounded imperative than anything else

This was great

Am I a satanist now?

11:11 I am taking ancient philosophy and health is the exact example that aristotle uses in metaphysics when he talks about

So with this one you're officially coming out of the occultism closet right

holy shit dad

So, it _is_ lobsters all the way down! Pardon me. I'll be right back with a very large cooking pot and some butter. We have to do something with all these stupid ocean cockroaches. I was ready to argue against the concept of objective good... until it came to the example of _The Mighty Boosh_ Season 2. I can't find my way around that one. Very well played!

Jordan Peterson sounds like Satanism with more, unnecessary, biased steps.

Talk about ghosting that snake!! So rude, beggin for you attention it is

wow, I love you

You actually have a good new wave voice

Didn't see the singing at the end coming! You should consider writing and performing a musical. I think philosophies are a bit like building equipment. Sometimes you need a trowel, sometimes a shovel, sometimes a hammer. The obsession to find one tool that will do everything is the problem I see a lot these days. I love Peterson for some things, and obviously I love you Olly for some things too. So can we all just hold hands and get along :)

The biggest thing I got out of the video was life is short have fun. That is why I'm going to a three day beer festival on Easter weekend instead of church lol.

If uniformity is threatening to you, then you yourself are chaos, and your lack of initiation to a societal constant makes you anathema to it.

Tell me about the mouth feel.

Order and chaos are relative to the individual. He's a clinical psychologist. He argues that they should be brought into balance with each other for the individual by the individual relative to their individual goals, fears and circumstances. Your conflation of his position against nihilism as one that precludes any positive engagement with relativism was lazy, boring and cheap. Also it appears you haven't researched Peterson's position on the contemporary presence of post modernist theory in academia and it's self contradictory relationship to Marxism. It's pretty specific and quite easy to parse. Try the post he wrote about it on his website. Happy hunting!

I liked peterson until my dad surprised me and said "you should read this book 12 rules for life" since that day I've found peterson to be a total convoluted douche.

Goodd stuff

I love how much thought you put into all of your videos.

ex breitbart writer, ex software sales man can you list all of the jobs you did in your life, so someone can mention the least related one to discredit you, everytime they mention you?

I have never seen a video with clearly so much time and effort behind it. You are absolutely brilliant and I aggressively want to drink tea and talk about life with you

1- sexy;  2- really sexy;  3- eudaemonistic ethics for the win;  4- no, really sexy;  5- existentialists answers are nice too.

Can philosophytube and contrapoints stop fucking around and just meet and make a video together? I NEED to see them talk face to face pls

Wait, as a trans muslim I get a free pass to heaven? Finally it has all been worth it!

Fun little criticism of Peterson.

Doesn’t life require taking objective stances, if everything is relative then you really cannot be justified in standing for anything?

Olly is now ranked with such legendary figures as newsreaders and the lady who works at the deli in that my experience of their professional ouptut is permanently derailed by the question "are they actually wearing pants?"

pussy Good/ Genocide Bad. Live Towards Paradox..............

Excellent footnoting (head-noting?)


n_n Dressed with HP sauce, no less.

Now why couldn't Neil Gaiman and Steve Dillon render Lucifer so vividly in those Vertigo books?

I think you hit the right balance of respectful nuance and irreverent humor here, without descending into the smug condescension that has irritated me in previous videos. Thank you and keep up the good work!

Nothing better than breaking the 4th wall by singing the LAMEST MUSIC EVER at the end of the video, wearing one really cool tshirt. The whole thing was beyond genius.

can you name other cultures besides Islamic ones where women are stoned for the crime of being raped?

that's not happening in America...

6:30 You can try ssss... -satan- .. science There are so many good jokes in this video

Y'all remember when he used to do A level philosophy vids?

35:30 until Olly does us a solid and uploads his cover separately

nice explanations -- kinda creepy makeup, though [edit: oh! i see, you've got NW helping. Nice song at the end. Who is on your shirt at the end?]

Goodbye Doctor P. starts at 35:21

I tried to pay attention but couldn't help focusing on the Sneks. I enjoyed the video all the same. :)

I am rather concerned with this man’s intake of soy

You actually articulated a few issues about Peterson et al, that were foaming and sloshing-about, unconscious, just below my threshold of waking-awareness to consciously apprehend and consolidate. Well done.

Hey Olly, I've watched the video only 1 time so forgive me if I'm wrong. Aren't you confusing relativistic with subjective in this video? When something is subjective that doesn't automatically make it relativistic. Cheers


Excellent opening shot!

Oliver. You can't keep doing this to me.

Moral Objectivism being considered more scientific cracks me up. As if any morals or philosphy happens outside of the human brain.

the Hoosiers, off their album the meaning of life! and the lyrics fit? What a good pic

i immediately recognized the opening chord to goodbye mr a and YELLED...first why we build the wall and now this, how is olly catering to my exact music taste

This is the best ContraPoints video not made by ContraPoints

Danse macabre in the background! Well played!

Jordan Peterson reads like discount Heraclitus

If objectivity and morality dont exist, why are you making this video? if you think truth doesnt exist, it means everything else you do is manipulation. Just because Peterson or Harris are wrong about objectivity, doesnt mean objectivity dont exist. And being subjective is not wrong, its just that you cant use ur subjectivity on others.

Olly killing the nails and the snakes... And everything else ... Plus that knowledge pouring from your lips

Contra is in the credits

Goddamn I'm queer af

Eat, hump, snort, and laugh all you want, you will gain a world with no appreciation, devour everything in your path and you will FEEL NOTHING, AND HAVE NOTHING. You will never be satisfied and congruently ironic that is the true Justice.

Nah, you'll get together and force people to ration 12 gallons of water per day, y'know, equality. Then you'll starve regions and differing groups en masse over ideology and religion.

Olly: "I. Lucifer." Me: I don't see no Judas in yo mouth boi.

0:45 >Heterosexuality has left the chat

sooooo how sure are you that it was MDMA.... if it was in the last 20 years it probably wasn't real MDMA unless you were somewhere between lucky and very involved.

Song with Violins at the beginning is Danse Macabre.

Of course Natalie helped with the nails

I'm assuming you commissioned the wings immediately after the "Natalie as Venus" portrait surfaced. Good show, sir.

I love all of you. These fucking videos and everyone in the comments. Jesus Christ, I thought the whole internet was a massive right wing populist movement. Thank you everyone, I fucking appreciate every single one of you


You really didn't address the core of Sam Harris' claims about morality.

His shtick is contradictory in a million other ways too. One such way is his opposition to collectivism and exaltation of the individual, while he whines about the decline of the collectivist entities he places above the individual e.g. "the West", the traditional nuclear family, the nation, etc. The guy's lack of respect for individuals preferred pronouns stems from his preoccupation with the societal effects transgender people have. It's always the collective above the individual with this grifter. His lip service to individualism is a joke.

This channel is becoming less and less formal university straight forward inspirered and more and more theater inspirered. I see that the teather format gives some more freedom with showing perspectives and you oviously are having a lot of fun with, but i think i personally actually preffer the more simple older videoformat without all the "purple light scenes". I find them a bit distracting to the topic, even if they are relevant

It starts out like a season in reverse! A way to set your mind above and over words. Attached means identity, erases things so why should we? Distress call code-word is "I wanna live"! He makes it up as it goes, IT GOES AWAY TO PLACES HE CAN ONLY HIDE IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MINDS! HE MAKES IT UP AS IT GOES!

I love you; this is fantastic. Aesthetic and message on point.

You've just earned a new subscriber

Well done. An invaluable reminder that everyone, even Mr. Peterson, who claims otherwise, is working from a subjective framework.

Idk if i agree with the content of this video, I'm to captivated by the devil's clavicle/chest hair... I'm good with more videos like this btw, I'm good with the snakes, the makeup... whatever, just more top less vids

Ending song is best at 1.5x speed. yw

"Moral Omnishambles!" lol!



This whole time I was thinking, did Natalie do his makeup? Then the credits omg I knew.

Damn that contour is poppin’

Strawman over 9000

There are zero strawmen in olly's arguments.

Mighty Boosh and Pussy Worship. The Far Left platform, summed up.

deprogramming complete

What is decent about a "decent video" that fails to utilize the possibilities inherent in the medium? I know someone who used to have similarly unnecessary reactions to certain videos. Reactions that couldn't be explained by content or a criticism of anything substantial in the videos. Once it became clear to him that the connecting thread was the presence of a shirtless man or a noticeable bulge around the crotch area, he was able to explore and come to peace with the source of these internally conflicting, irrational impulses. It's a rare circumstance where psychotherapy proved effective in arriving at a solution. Irrationality stemming from childhood mistreatment or improper conditioning can be an almost genetic inevitability if not nipped in the bud with an effective freudian analyst. +SquidCaps

+The Humungus oops... thanks lol

Pretty sure you meant "red"  +Crossed Wires

SquidCaps - You do realize that it is not necessary to leave an explanation for why you unsubscribed. Buh-bye!


Unsubbing. Unless you can make a decent video without fucking gimmicks about the subject, don't fucking do it at all. Huge disappointment, who did you think you will reach with this shit?

BanJaxed not quite. There are a lot of different ways to practice Buddhism but it’s not compatible with hedonism. The core teaching is that life is ultimately about suffering despite the good things. (Daoism is more compatible with hedonism) to escape suffering, one must achieve nirvana, often through deep meditation. Nirvana is essentially a state of perfect satisfaction and peace. We also believe in reincarnation. But many of us do try to alleviate suffering on the world, in any way possible. A common small example is in Asia, where Buddhists often buy live fish caught from the sea and release them before they die. We generally believe that all life is precious and try to minimize the harm we do. There are many different Buddhist sects that vary across regions

* Use copyrighted music * * complain about a copyright claim * God I hate communists... haha

+Gehenna's Fire I don't know much about Buddhism, but isn't it based on trying to end suffering? In which case it would be totally consistent with hedonism.

ollie + snakes = heaven brecht, sigh i can actually hear kermit in there

+The Humungus The wavelengths of light not absorbed by, and translucent to, Earth's atmosphere remain the same relative to the composition of that atmosphere, however the meaning of 'blue' can never be objectively verified as no 2 sets of human eyes or optic nerves are precisely the same. No 2 historical experiences with 400 nanometer wavelength light are the same. Every consciousness is as valid as the next. Objective perspective is either a myth, or hypothetically possible if experienced by some form of god. If that argument doesn't win you over? In my universe it's a fact that objectivity doesn't exist

+Riley Carpenter

The intro put me off. Bye.

As a Peterson fan, this is a great critique. All views are welcome.

Judeo-Christian isnt really a thing. It's christian values, judaism has some overlap - like most religioins have some overlap - but are still different!

21:15 “Is Pepsi okay?”

Why is satan queer-coded?

Why is no one discussing or expanding on this video? It's like everyone in the comments has missed the point

Is your voice pitched up during the bookshelf parts?

Its good to get different counter points to JP. I like listening to different ideologies and gaining insights. This was quite entertaining, not that I understand all the technicalities within different Ideologies.

"Because the characters in Nabokov's books understand that sometimes the best response to the meaninglessness of life is to just f**k your own sister," Spoken like a true Tenchi Muyo fan.

You motherfucker make me question my sexuality! I love it..

Jesus, Olly reads the parts from Jordan Peterson in exactly the same tone and accent the Lobster King himself uses. I'm impressed.

omg even I cant watch this? this is like the episode where you wore a Henti Tshirt I reccomend you to anyone anymore? I mean if you didnt know this channel, would you honestally watch past a few secconds of this?

Since being trans mean I couldn't count the number of people who told me I'm going to hell already I'm totaly on board with Hedonism. But there is one thing that isn't compatible with my vision of it and that's hurting others. Because for me hurting others does diminish my pleasure and well being (be it physically or morally) and thus is going agains't my own hedonism. Only exeption being hurting those who maliciously hurt other. Because uplifting other people who need it is also contributing to my pleasure and well being. I embrace my own nihilism by seeing the optimistic approach of it. If nothing have a purpose or meaning, might as well make the best of what we have.

Morality and meaning are different things, are they not? I didn't really understand your ideas on sam harris. I dont think he is open to violence, cause violence is objectively/intersubjectively bad from his perspective. Morality is about what humans should do, and meaning is about what I should do.

me: "What is he holding? Cock rings?" No, a snake. Also nice nails! I hope you enjoyed wearing them! E: also nice snakes! I hope you weren't crapping your pants with that big one going up in the middle of the monologue!

Well, this was garbage. Why did youtube recommend it? What the fuck youtube. Why show me this complete and total garbage.

I have a question relating to headonism. Does Headonism address moral issues that don't negatively affect you, at least directly. If you participate in something that brings you pleasure but might be questioned morally such as buying R Kelly's music knowing you are supporting a terrible person. An argument where Headonism can address this (IMO) is that it triggers guilt which negatively affects my overall happiness therefore I should do such acts. However I'm not sure if guilt is a natural response or can be rationalised and reasoned away. Anyone have any ideas?

Hedonism is degeneracy and it leads to societal collapse. It should never be celebrated, at all.

Are you Contrapoints' lover? Or her twin/brother? :D

This is a prime example or pseudo-intellectualism masquerading as philosophy. I want my 40 minutes back.

Agree 100%. Absolute trash.

I've always viewed nihilism as "yay life has no meaning let's have a party and get absolutely wasted because it doesn't matter"

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EXPOSING PETERSON! I been saying this from studying philosophy, Peterson doesn’t know shit of what he’s talking about. The bases of his arguments come from the Bible that god gave us purpose. He twists Jung and Nietzsche work to fit his own agenda. And I been caught on to this. Thank you philosophytube, it be so great for you to interview Peterson and expose he doesn’t know shit.


thank you

I watched the entire video but I have no idea what the video is about, I feel like I was hypnotised the entire way through, I couldn't look away. HOT DAMN.

The dad energy is too powerful


i think this is my fave so far, but maybe, maybe i just feel that

Plot twist: 'Petting the cat' secretly a euphemism for Pussy Worship.

So, Olly, for a while there I felt you were getting a little smug and narrow-minded in your approach to the philosophy of politics in a way that honestly made me really uncomfortable. But... this video has restored my faith in you more than a little. I really like the personal approach you took to it despite the goofy distancing effects, and the jokes landed more often than not. It was really charming! As a believer in embracing the Absurd myself, I really appreciated the Camus shoutout at the end; and while, as an anarchist and, yes, something of a postmodernist, I still *really* can't get on board with the strident Marxist stuff, it didn't feel too intrusive or condescending. In other words: Great job. Resubscribed? Resubscribed.

Swipe right.

Those snakes are cute.

i love how you refer to Contrapoints video, who publicly speaks out against Peterson, i've watched that video and the ones where she mentioned him again. And noticed she used Jonathan Haidt's work to explain something wrong. She also misused his work because she does the exact same things , Contrapoints is such a hypocrite.

I deeply appreciate the jokes in the subtitles.

So when you makin a music collab with Zoë Blade?

The part about MDMA comedown in a bathtub had me rolling


Mmm. Oh, yeah. Hail, Satan...

@14:29 music from Lazy Masquerade channel lol

Is there enough literature on environmental philosophy to examine whether this can provide a basis for a meaningful existence? I'd love to see a video on that.

Hmm, Hedonism becomes even more popular as a personal philosophy

Thanks,for giving a perspective

that cover at the mister p indeed

holy fuck. what is this amazing thing?

Just adding a random comment to boost the video cause I thought it would have 500 000 views by now.

Goddammit why do you have to be so handsome?

When I look at you. I have a feeling that you're trying to pull me to the dark side.

holy shit this is the best philosophy video I've seen on youtube.

honestly looks like u drew those nips on with kylee jenners 'butterscotch' liquid lip shade

What the hell Ollie? Where’s the lobster in the JBP summoning ritual circle? Your content is always of such an exacting quality and you’ve let me down.

Thumbnail gives me major contrapoints vibes !!


Love the video, but that part around 30 minute mark where you cut away to the guys talking startled me lol you speak really soft during the video and I had the volume up. Supposedly I have this setting on the computer to automatically adjust volume but doesn't seem to work.

I literally cannot stop laughing at your peterson voice. its perfect.

Snakes catch mice and rats, keep those populations in check, and generally won't bother you unless you bother them. Can the same be said of Snake-Oil Salesman? Exactly why you should rather have snakes than snake-oil salesmen.

Peterson is false.

What’s that classical piece towards the beginning? Thanks.

I am, of all the many many people in know, the only one whose chest hair is reminiscent of a goat's head, to the everlasting amusement of my friends (and me). But now that I have gasped upon the glory of thine bosom, I finally know that I am not alone - although your goat chest is not quite as obvious as mine. Actually, your chest looks more like an angry bull minus the horns ... or maybe a boar. Or a hellhound ... or something. Hm, I am increasingly confounded. Any interpretations? oO

Huh, apparently people attracted to men found him attractive. If I needed more confirmation that I'm not attracted to men, these comments are pretty convincing.

Way to be the Devil's advocate, or rather, actually the Supreme Overlord of the UnderWorld Himself

Part 5 reminded me of lorem ipsum. I'm not one to read philosophy, but I run into random trivia. Lorem ipsum is currently thought to be a corruption of a passage from Cicero's "On the Extreme's of Good and Evil".

Is most of Left Tube anti-state?

Timothy Stinnett Majority usually Yea, we don’t take too kindly to tankies

Danse Macabre!

Harris is fucking stupid

the video some of us deserve ty

Oh Fuck just have to convert to Islam now.

I'm too gay for this shit

Good video

Olly are you gonna mind if I jack off to this because I am hopelessly aroused by you when you're clothed. Let alone when you are nude and have beautiful makeup

Olly looking at the camera dressed a shirtless demon, causally running a snake through his fingers, and saying in a deliberately deep voice "do you care more about meeting those expectations (voice lowers in pitch) ... or about looking good?" is my everything now.

"And author of 'maps of meaning'... which is also a book" LOL

Philosophy is masturbation.

Woah you got hotter

That fuckin snake curling around your neck gave me nightmares dude good vid tho

I choked laughing on the Theodore T. Talks part

Anyone feeling really gay rn

better the snake than the snake oil salesman. Love it!

Ooh Olli you're so sexy when you talk big words and wear Satan costumes ;3

Your arms probably more tired than mine after watching one of contra's videos

Oh how fun I’m going to heaven being a Muslim Trans Woman. Thank you Oliver/Lucifer.

Boy, Johnny Depp's really been on one these days...

Playing the Devil's Advocate?

"I would rather have the snake than the snake oil salesman." Well said.

Appreciate the videos, but I'm starting to feel that the constant "I'm gonna talk about Marx without actually talking about Marx in such a way as to make it hard to apply my ideas to an actual politic" is a borderline psyop. Marx is good. Just fucking say it you sarcastic British weirdo.

32:00 Oddly enough almost completely identical to the philosophy of that guy from Ecclesiastes. I remember that sticking with me as a kid, because it was such an antithesis to everything else the bible taught. And frankly, a lot more realistic.

Gawd, i'd let you fuck me dressed like the devil while discussing postmodernism, I can imagine myself cumming trapped in your claws as the ideas of Foucault on power dynamics flow from your gasping steamy mouth and your red eyes pierce my soul deconstructing me into everlasting leftist non-heaven.

I don't really get his logic of "if this nihilistic/materialistic/etc worldview is true then only power matters and that'd be terrible!" yet he claims to be a christian, which is entirely based off of obeying a higher *power* whose sole justification for holding authority is holding the biggest stick withwhich to punish you for not obeying.

So cringe

Maybe you could ask Peterson to interview on your channel and we can all see how you go ..

So what your saying is Peterson’s real philosophy is finding ways to make people who are inexperienced in education part ways with their money?

One point about hedonism that you did not bring up: it's clear that Peterson fans, like all humans, follow the pleasure principle whether or not they acknowledge it--Peterson fans, to a man [sic], always have a gleam in their eye and a smirk on their lips when they "own the SJWs." Why is Peterson so popular with these men? Because he makes them feel good! He's so delightful to those who love him that we on the left have to wear costumes and show a little skin just to generate the same hit of dopamine.

Bloody brilliant video mate, super well constructed and informative. The lucifer costume and snakes were a lovely touch too. You looked ravishing to say the least :,)

Thank you for pointing at the Patreon and PayPal prompts, and then for giving a thumbs-up to the names scrolling on the left. It definitely clued me in to the fact that you consider these to be important and good things (within the context of the video in which they are presented) and made ME feel a sense of goodness about them as well!

I also thank you for establishing hedonism as an alternative and, if you will, an antidote to the snake oil of Dr. Peterson, which in the greater cultural context seems to be nothing but venom. I had long ago decided that hedonism was the fulcrum around which the world turned, and that a good life would be easier if we all acknowledged this and embraced it--but in my depression, I had forgotten. Thank you for helping me to remember.

This was possibly the best video of yours that ive seen. Its very personal and beautifully subjective while being objective in the sense of compassion and humanity (in my opinion) and it also showcases just how crazy talented you are (at everything..)

I’m only 1:04 in and this is already the best thing on the internet. I would fuck that intro so hard I’m not even kidding, if that’s a sexual orientation I’m that now.

I would love to see you do a video about Epicurean Gravity

11:48 Season 2 of The Mighty Boosh

Little snek is cutest snek.

Its funny, you mention that postmodernism and marxism are contradictory (22min). Your entire video is a deconstruction in the post modernist sense simply critiquing every aspect of (to you) someone else's ''subjective'' truth (of which you do not share.) Whilst at the same time having absolutely no solutions proposed as counter points to anything, apart from when you start advocating for Marxism. The irony. I think part of what JP is trying to articulate here is that value structures are essential to functioning in the world, and one of his critiques is when you throw away a broader ''spiritual'' belief system and fall into the postmodern/nihilistic sphere of thinking, people tend to lean to simplistic singular axiomatic ideologies like Marxism or Capitalism to accommodate for a guiding value system. An incomplete worldview in his opinion. A Phrase pops to mind watching this video, ''It's like a termite gnawing on a temple" Theres just no utility in criticising for the sake of burning everything to the ground. criticising is a tool used to improve an all ready existing structure or usher in a new improved model. But I guess all of this is subjective if we view it through the lens of relativism. hmmm so perplexing. ;)

19:41 Who else saw "failed comedian" and thought he was going to talk about Dave Rubin?

23:00 You say "Postmoderism isn't meant to be destructive" after calling out JP for conflating PoMo with Marxism. When the REASON Hicks and JP call Postmodernism "Marxism in Disguise" is because they perceive it as destructive to "quality philosophy", and they believe it was intentionally designed to be so, by marxists to confuse intellectuals about how "objectively bad" marxism is. According to JP & co, it's a marxist tool, a marxist weapon. It obviously isn't "marxism itself", but calling it "Marxism in Disguise" is perfectly apt if you buy into the presuppositions, of PoMos destructivity, and the intent. But you make no argument! You make no argument how it's not destructive, you make no argument why it's not intentionally destructive, you make no argument why PoMo isn't an intentional subversion of intellectual standards to allow for the continued prevalence and dominance of communists in academia. No argument. You're creating a false equivalence pretending Hicks & JP are saying PoMo *IS* marxism, when that is not what they are saying, and chastise them for their supposed lack of intellectual rigor. That is dishonest. You are not dealing with their argument, you're dealing with a straw man that you yourself set up. All you're saying is "It isn't meant to be destructive" - According to whom, according to you? You didn't create PoMo. Can you read the PoMo-creators minds? If they did "mean it destructively", why wouldn't they lie about it? JP and such have concluded PoMo is an intentional attack on academic integrity, led by marxists, with fairly straightforward reasoning. And your response is basically "Nuh-huh"

@Riley Carpenter: Up there in the description: just go to PhilosopyTube’s web address. You can make a one time donation there. Note the default currency is in British pounds.

I enjoyed your video and presentation. I do feel you have mischaracterized many of Dr. Peterson's main points.

+F W *freeze peach They don't like actual free speach.

+Liam Boyd well she crewed this video so that might be why

You can try, but you can't beat Natalie! Good attempt tho.

So what does it say about me that I enjoy the objectively worse low-effort natural light part much more than the incredibly involved theatre part?

I sympathize a lot, however, with the rejection of a particular brand of relativism that some people employ to seem oh-so-worldly-wise, where anything's as good as anything else. No it's not, it's called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights because it's fucking universal and it's one of the great achievements of humankind, so shut up about it being imperialism. Of course, none of this is a reason to go all alt-right on anyone's ass. The truth is as always somewhere between the extremes.

All of this video is sexy, well done

Modern Capitalism and commodity fetishism is, it might be contended, precisely what fosters 'relativism'. Money renders everything - in principle - as exchangeable, and so everything is relative to the caprice of exchange...(*including belief-formation, value(s) etc.) 'Relativism is a popularised materialism ; thought gets in the way of money-making [...] The reactive modes which relativistic doctrine holds to be particular to each individual are pre-established; they are never far from the bleating of sheep, the stereotype of relativity in particular.' (Adorno, Negative Dialectics, p.36) Interesting that the so-called 'Cultural Marxists' that Peterson claims to be the peddlers of relativism, are precisely the critics of it. Adorno even went so far as to call it a 'limiting of consciousness' where 'individual consciousness is taken for the ultimate and all individual opinions are accorded equal rights, as if their were no criterion of their truth'. This 'flatly anti-intellectual posture' is one that Peterson embodies rather than critiques.

I'm trans and once when I was really dysphoric I smoked alot of weed and once it wore off I was still dysphoric but my friend cuddling me, holding my hand and stroking my head made me feel far better than the weed ever did

I've never done MDMA but sometimes actual human experiances are far better than any medication or drug ever could be

It is so tragic that Peterson appropriates Nietzsche; he is entirely AGAINST the kind of bile that he writes.

It really was a mistake of Sam Harris to ever associate with Jordan Peterson, he just makes him look bad.

It was all amazing, but the song at the end brought me _so much_ joy.


Why u copying contrapoints

Sees Ollie doing weird shit in the thumbnail. *Buckles my seatbelt*

9:10 Boop the Snoot? Plz?

I'm having the female equivalent of the why-boner. 3:12 It's a little confusing haha

But isn't telling us not to listen to people telling us what to do creating an infinitely regressing loop of absurdity that is... exactly the thing you were trying to tell us about?

Now that I'm healthier, why am I so turned on?

I'm a big JBP listener/appreciator and I thought this was great and advances the conversation tremendously. I wasn't very convinced by ContraPoints' video but I think that your pointing out that these fundamental binaries of life such as Ob/Sub or Order/Chaos are constantly circling and intertwined with each other, and in ways that are inconvenient to crystalized arguments incorporating them is crucial, and dare I say, O B J E C T I V E L Y true. Even though I love Peterson, I understand that he, even with all his intelligence and confidence, is just another dude with as many epistemological and perceptual blind spots as the next fella. And I'm happy that he and you and all of us are contributing little bits and pieces to this weird fucking hollow fractal puzzle we call existence and figuring it out. Good shit, cheers.

My wife yawns at aquaman but wants to drill you like an oil deposit which would potentially frustrate me if she wanted your bar-groomed uncle-bod half as much as me what's up mother fucker meet me

What does pussy worship entail? Asking for research.

Imagine a temple..

okay but why does every line in Goodbye Dr. P also apply to my ex? spooky...

I didn't know that Sexy Luciferian Book Tapping was my ASMR trigger, but DAAAAYYYYUUUUUMMMMMMM

i love u olly

5:02 Yes, yes it does. Definitely, no arguments there

Your claim that order and chaos is subjective and relative is a major stretch. A wall is objectively order. You might feel differently about it - if you feel anxiety about it then it is tyrannical order, and if you feel safe when looking at it then it is protective order. But either way, it is order. You said crossing the wall is chaos... well, if you're crossing it then its not acting as a wall anymore, is it?

If a wall can create four years of chaos, would it represent order or chaos?

You've got me on "Season 2 of The Mighty Boosh"

Nobody is gonna talk about his fail Peterson impersonation? OK. Great video nonetheless.

I miss the days where you were next to a bookshelf and just explained stuff. I appreciate your videos, but I hope you don't get swallowed up by the theatrics of this

The ContraPoints jumped out and I kind of love it !

"Down here, everyone's punishment is _bespoke_" - Satan, 2019

I might be showing off my pretentious side but i really feel like optimistic nihilism is the ultimate philosophy impossible to argue agaisnt, it has a bit of everything, hedonism, moral relativism all that. Nothing matters therefore do what you want and be happy, have no worries but still put in the effort so you can make the most of the feel good chemicals your mortal coil provides. But its still more than hedonism because death isnt bad, death is nothing and nothing is well nothing, null, not bad or good or anything at all, death is probably better for the individual over all even if it the friends and relatives are overcome with sorrow, but it ultimately doesnt matter so its just your empathy holding you back, something that wont bother you once youre gone but that you should still follow if you are in the process of building your happiness majority because it would bring down that happiness. To not be born at all is probably the best outcome because you wouldnt have any of these desires and so it would be just perfect peace but since you are alive you should try to have majority happy life so its worth it. Everything we do is to try and up our happiness, through fulfillment or distraction, etc. so every obligation, every desire, every investment. Its all about your outlook on life, we’re all hedonists at our core, its built into us. And all of this makes up optimistic nihilism, its objective that nothing matters, god has no god and therefore any goals he would set for us would have no higher meaning and would always be meaningless, death isnt bad, might even be good depending on your potencial future life but its never bad, its not on the good/bad spectrum, to die is to lose desire and therefore to become neutral and not even care about sadness or hapiness, you cease in every way so it cannot be bad for the individual only for those who wrongly interpret it on the side of the living and finally you should try to be happy whist you have those desires until you die and so you need to put in the effort.

Sexy and funny i love you :~O Also all these philosophical cults are ovcourse wrong and anti life. The only reason for any life to exist is to preserve its own genetic material as best it can , this includes humans. Any philosophy that promotes anything else is just a religion.

"Makeup and Nails Consultant: Natalie Wynn" I fucking knew it

"Turns out in order to get into heaven you have to be both Muslim and trans" HOLY SHIT, THAT'S ME!!!

What is "pet a cat when you see it on the street?" I call that grade-A pussy worship.

you look and sound SO GOOD. My Halloween costume is set for next year... can't copy that accent though god damn.

ugh! ssssssssscience. This is so smaht fucks sake.

When you said that you're the only true JBP fan in the world, were you saying that as Ollie or as Satan?


Yo, are the snakes real? I was worried they might bite him or something XD

stop ripping off contrapoints

Great Video!! Thanks now I have arguments I can argue with Peterson fans around me . Appreciate your content and your sexy being Oliver ,what a hot philosophical hunky devil you are ❤️.

Still better than Dialectical Materialism

your snakes are so cute

love the face you're making in the thumbnail. it say's 'im contrapoints now, guys!' Glad you've made the /trans/ition ;)

There are some good videos on this channel, but this one's a real stinker. Especially that whole, terrible "gotcha" section starting around 25:32 There's so much unearned, self-righteous college smugness crammed into 2.5 minutes that it's physically difficult to watch, but that last bit about wanting people to "articulate clearly" "but only if you agree with him" stands out as the worst of this especially bad fanfiction JBP never argues that trying to create social change is always a bad thing, he argues against the METHODS people use to do it, and the psychological conditions that should be kept in check to prevent them from becoming corrupt based on his studies the most murderous governments of the 20th Century. For example, he states repeatedly disaster happens when people divide themselves by social identity and ideology (like in nazism and fascism as defined in the video about antifa), or categorize the general population as loosely defined oppressors and oppressed with to justify violent, murderous revolt of anyone with slightly more than you (dekulakization) His point is that regardless of the inevitable tragedy inherent to life, the best change happens when you improve your community by improving YOURSELF FIRST by your OWN DEFINITION. Fight your own demons so that your effect on the world isn't tainted by your own corruption. Learn to take care of the community around you before you tell the world what to do. Encouraging people to take f themselves is literally the least harmful advice possible fight me

...You not addressing the video or Peterson Claim. This isn't about Your not taking responsibility of yourself but who gets to choose what count as improving yourself. Every form of politics is social identity and every conflict in human history have been about an identity group vs another identity group. Peterson is part of an identity group even he doesn't acknowledge it, that is exactly what he is doing. How do you expect people to improve if they are constantly been push down? Black people don't get their right until the get-together and fight for it, Women were treated as a second class citizen until they got together and fight for it. Where is Peterson mythical western civilization without class conflict and people were free from the start to achieve any goal they wish without restriction? Because the last time I check the USA fight for their social identity against the British.

What are the snakes names?


Didn't think that gay would be contagious untill now

YOU ARE A FUCKING GENIUS. I am in no way an expert in satanic philosophy, however, in my first (and currently only) pass through the satanic bible I have found many parallels between it and the arguments presented in this video. Full disclosure I stopped halfway through the satanic bible because I was turned off by the idea of the rituals. Regardless my point is playing this video from the perspective devil, as what I'd interpret as a clever nod to satanic philosophy, was absolutely genius.

Is he fucking Contrapoints or not???

My god,

Jesus Christ, Olly. What the actual hell.

Atheists, rise to our national anthem

You should put the ending song on Soundcloud!

I watched this two times, but I find the video hard to follow. And eventhough I understand it now, I still think it would be really helpful to add some sort of summary at the end of your videos. Looked great btw!

But Lucifer is cool, why'd you have to do him like that :(

I'm ace and sometimes find sexually suggestive stuff with men uncomfortable, so I was worried I might have trouble with this video when I saw the screenshots on twitter. However, you succeed in creating a character camp enough that I didn't find him sexually threatening, which was nice for me. I'm not sure you were intending for a gay character? Maybe my sub-consious fear of sexual aggression has some internalised bi-erasure? Either way I enjoyed the video.

bro oh my god. bRo this. this is. a look oh my god oh my god

Wow, spot ON Jordan Peterson impression. Damn.

That Jordon Peterson impression was so accurate, I was so funny.

Damn i like lucifer and I don’t even believe in a religion sksjsikssksk

This entire video made the phrase "philosophy daddy" come to mind.

Hey, big fan of your content. Thanks for a small step towards taking Nietzsche and the existentialists back from the right. Lots of leftist circles and liberals have in common that they believe any philosophy of enjoyment is directly related to capitalism and right wing values. While readings of marxist literature, sociology and my usual studies are of an utmost importance towards becoming more critical and effective, Nietzsche has helped me through the toughest of times. And I am aware of his frequent outbursts of protofascism and his misogyny. But personally, the sublime within him has shun a brighter light than any materialism could ever do for me.

Wow please be shirtless more you sexy otter!

oh my gosh amazing aesthetic and the snakes??? you have yourself a new patron

Fair use, Parody isn't a thing anymore?

I swear creationists used this same twisted logic to ply their theories. They find valid holes in what we know, use those to infer we don't "really know" about X. And then slap in what about "insert crazy idea with no backing here." See 1. Is it falsifiable? 2. What is it's prediction accuracy? 3. Can anyone reproduce it? Is every pretend intellectual these days into style over substance?

Not distracted by snakes while talking - WHY

Left handed?


Oh, edgy edgy boi.

Me watching Contrapoints in her fairy outfit: This is so creative and cool. What a cool way to add visuals to, what is inherently, a lecture. Me watching Olly in his satan outfit: Oh........ oh my.

You're too good for this world.

So are you turning into ContraPoints now?

Apart from the lighting, they're pretty different. Although he's less mocking, I see a LOT of hbomberguy in him

Will you do a video on Baruch (or Benedict de) Spinoza? Nobody seems to know who he is, and this comment will probably be buried, but I'd really, REALLY like to see your take on him.

The left is getting good at memes (and it's making the right nervous)

Jesus christ, 1 minute into a video about refuting Jordan Peterson, and you have a bloke with bitch tits and his finger nails painted. FML


My question is why do you care? Who gives a shit what hes wearing and why does someone playing a character make you say "fuck my life"? Pathetic wanker

You have attracted me as your subscriber. REJOICE!

Good video. I like Jordan Peterson but I also like good critiques of him. I want to say, though, I think that your concept of hedonism is similar to what I apply in my life, but I find Peterson's idea helpful to achieve that. That's what everyone wants to figure out, and I think one thing anti-peterson folks often overlook is that he himself often admits he's still figuring things out on a lot of questions, which is why he may seem to contradict himself. I think he is not unaware of the contradictions. Funny enough that's a common criticism toward contrapoints, who I am also a fan of, and how I found out about Peterson in the first place. It's almost like people can't stand people not having one singular answer to all life's questions.

That falsetto though!

I've been arguing for a while now; Peterson should be called the father of "postmodern conservatism". Partially because it's not nearly as bad a contradiction as "postmodern marxism" is, but mostly because it pisses lobsters right off.

why do i keep getting these wierdoes in my recommended feed.

I can see the contrapoints influence haha

Ok nice so your like if contrapoints was a guy.

This is probably one of your weakest videos yet, and I'm not saying that because you dislike Jordan Peterson. If you put half enough effort into writing your script as you do setting up lighting and doing your make up you could probably make some valid arguments. Instead you just appease to your social liberal fanbase by saying the things they need to hear and giving them fanservice by objectifying yourself, like you're just trying to imitate ContraPoint's shtick because you can't do this on your own. Amazing how you fancy yourself a socialist yet you give into this asinine YouTube cult-personality capitalism. Even more amazing that you call yourself "Philosophy" tube. This isn't a love for wisdom, just pure ideology.

+Marf forgive the joke milord, if you would prefer a diatribe to the same effect, I'll have to delegate to a braver soul.

+Nick Barker If that's all you have to say it would be better if you didn't say anything at all.

add a "scotsmen don't exist" subscript


This is good beef guys keep going

​+DeoMachina "Leverages capitalism"? Is that what you call it? No he's giving in to capitalism, he's doing the bare minimum to sell you on the ideology that you already believe in to accumulate social capital that he then converts to financial capital via his Patreon. He'll even objectify himself and get catcalled from anonymous strangers on the internet if it'll turn an extra buck, or do you think he just enjoys that? Whether you think he's doing it to "maintain housing and food for themselves" is irrelevant, this is how capitalism dumbs down education for the purposes of profit. Yes, real socialists do something else, they build socialism. They educate you on the works of Marx, Engels, Kautsky, Lenin, Paul Cockshott, Huey Newton, Hal Draper etc. They educate you on how you've likely been propagandized not just by the right, but also by those who call themselves the left. They organize collectives. They strategize. They do more than just faff about on YouTube telling you about some boomer psychology teacher that nobody gives a real shit about while taking your money convincing you that you're helping their struggle. "And things must be pretty bad when I need to cite a mere dictionary" Yes, they are pretty bad, because you're appealing to definition instead of making an argument. Just like how things are pretty bad when you need to switch out the word "arguments" to "statements" to make your refutation look better. You don't need to pivot away from an argument, you can just leave it alone.

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