How the Sun Works on the Flat Earth - Timelapse of the Sun Proves the Flatness of the Earth

How the Sun Works on the Flat Earth - Timelapse of the Sun Proves the Flatness of the Earth

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Fear is. It really just a big ball floating, in space. Spinning. On its axis at a thousand miles per hour hurtling. Around the Sun at 67,000. Miles per whizzing. Through the Milky Way at a milk curdling speed of over half a million miles per hour and you work driving, through the heaven at over half billion miles per hour and what. About the Sun is, it really 93, million miles away and close. To a million miles in diameter with. A circumference, of nearly, three million miles and it's, constantly, illuminating. Half of our entire Earth's surface with the rotation, of the earth creating. Our 24-hour days our night days, or. Shh. And, maybe it's completely, still, just like we experienced, and. Maybe the Sun isn't big but, is very small and very close and not, illuminating. The earth from 93, million miles but. Is illuminating, locally, and maybe. Everything, the Sun Moon and stars are, not far away but our, circling, overhead relatively, close in. This video we're going to explore the, latter option and at the end we're going to reveal startling. Evidence through, the use of time-lapse, photography that. The Sun cannot. Possibly, be 93 million miles away but, is in fact very. Close and is. Illuminating. Locally, as it. Traverses our, Flat Earth oh man. And watch how this Sun, comes at you. Mmm. I mean. Come on. And. That's all perspective, if, you look at jet trails Google, images you'll see them they start out low with the horizon they come up overhead look at that thing they, come up overhead and then they go down to the horizon, perfectly. Explains, what the Sun would do here it is going overhead, I. Love. Time-lapse, look at this you can't go out and look at the Sun you can't see this stuff except. That it's on you, know time-lapse like this it's incredible and, watch this thing it's. Sweeping, you know the Sun over flat earth is doing a big circle all right look. At this thing see it sweep into the rights like a lefty bowler just toss that down the alley and there it goes hooking, into the pocket. You can see how the clouds angle, down to the horizon. Shot. There. That's. Exactly how the Sun would do. Unclutter. Okay. Back to the Copernican, principle and, this is what they tell us the Sun is 93 million, miles, away now. I'm gonna show you evidence, through, sunsets, that shows the Sun light. Following, the Sun over the horizon and it shrinks, as it goes over now, there's no way it would do that if the Sun is 93 million, miles away, okay, personally, show you some footage from the ISS. Okay, now watch this animation, watch this sunset, now, this is exactly if they came to me and said do an animation this, is how I would do it if, the Sun were 93 million miles away just like that have the whole horizon fade, evenly.

But, That's not what we see. Okay. Wow look at that look how the light lifts, off the ground like a big wedge or like, lifting up a sheet of paper that's. Incredible, footage. Definitely. The lights following, the Sun right okay. Next I'm going to show you how. A, son. That is circling over the earth that creates the horizontal, aspect of the Sun if, you combine that with perspective. Which creates the up and down of the Sun the rising in the setting you get the twenty-three point five degrees tilt. That, they talk about it's, nothing but perspective, and the circle inside. Here's. Another Sun sweeping, out a big circle. Okay. Here's a phenomenon, that you might be wondering how in the heck do you explain this on a flat earth well. This, footage is taken from Alaska, during the summer and. The. Sun does look like it's going up and down the, reason it's doing that is that this town in Alaska is not in, the center of the, sun's circular. Circuit, in, other words the Sun is making a big circle and the, town is not in the center of that circle so. The Sun will be closer and further, from, the viewer with the camera that will cause it to go higher, and lower and also maybe even bigger. And. Smaller. Look. At the high altitude airplane remember this is from the high altitude balloon so, that airplane is probably at cruising altitude notice. How it looks like it's going up from the horizon that's. Exactly how the Sun will, rise because. That plane is staying parallel to the ground and now watch it will go down to the other horizon, alright, again perspective, that's how the Sun will set and forget the big ball that's just a do to a GoPro camera but. See, how the Sun that's the point of this and then, also look, at the size of the Sun man look at that thing I mean. There is something to it to say that we're the higher higher, up our view and the Sun looks bigger and it looks like it's not as high in the sky as it does when we're on the ground something. To that. Let's, explore, this notion a bit further that the Sun looks bigger when filmed from higher up, the next three slides I'm going to do a comparison a side-by-side the one on the left the cameras above the clouds the camera on the right is ground level. And the point for the side-by-side, comparison, from the ground level and the level above the clouds is that, above, the clouds we're only maybe a mile or so up and if the Sun, appears to be closer to. The camera well. That, means it's probably much, closer because if the Sun were 93, million miles away a mile, closer, wouldn't, make any difference at all to its visual appearance. Okay, here's a little. Illustrator. Or a little cartoon from a website. Called time and date comm it's, really funny that they would have a perfect, illustration of, a. Sun, rising, and setting on a flat earth due, to perspective you'll, notice that it rises, from. Below the horizon and. Sets below the horizon now you might be saying well, how, is that possible I can see now you're saying that it rises and lowers due to perspective but how does it disappear, below, the horizon well. I got a theory about that because, of the fact that all parallel. Lines and planes converge. At, your eye level horizon, this is according to the perspective. I'm not making this up if in, fact and they do they, converge at your eye level horizon, visually, then, it makes sense that after that, point they diverge, meaning, they then separate. So the, Sun would continue, on a downward track as. You can see from my illustration, here the lines, would go to your horizon, and then afterwards, they, would spread, out and separate, kind of like a starburst, and the, starburst being at your horizon, at your focal. Plane. Anyway. Without further ado we're going to start talking about and I'm gonna start showing you the time-lapse of the sunsets.

That I'm talking about that clearly show the Sun is close and. Illuminating. Locally, here, we go alright, and here are a couple of time-lapse. Sunsets, and just, like the Sun rises at the beginning of this video where you could see the Sun coming at you not maintaining. Any 93, million mile distance. Here you can also see the Sun moving away and it's, clearly, not due to the rotation, of the earth and a son that's maintaining, 93, million miles away but the Sun is moving over the earth and moving away from him. Okay, these next three slides the. Sun is almost set, already behind the horizon but. Watches, the sunlight, shrinks. And follows, the Sun it's, definitely. A locally, illuminating. Sun not. Far away not very big and definitely, not. 93, million miles away. Okay. Remember this video from the beginning at. The video I showed you this one and how it's circling over the earth and watch it sweep to the right like, a bowler bowling, it in there for a strike okay. Now I want you to pay attention to. The. Way the light follows, the Sun the Sun light is going to shrink, right, as it follows the locally. Illuminating. Sun. Functions. See. A drinking, problem is on you, do not get that if the Sun is 93, million, miles away the entire horizon should, fade evenly, just like this supposed shot, taken from space of the earth you can clearly see the way they depict it they depict the demarcation, between day, and night or light, and dark as a long, straight, line and, you can see the long straight line moving is one solid piece that means that, the sunset. Should all fade, the entire horizon should fade evenly, but that's not what we observe as we will see and as we've seen in the footage so far the sunlight shrinks, and follows the Sun over the horizon. So. These. Time-lapse, sunsets, are definitely, the nail in the coffin for. Heliocentrism. But, this particular one here shot from above the clouds from this Observatory, is the. Final, nail in the coffin, look. At how the Sun, just. Shrinks. And the light shrinks, to nothing that. Cannot. Happen as I showed you in the when, the Sun illuminates the entire earth which. It does from, 93 million miles away it, has to. You. Don't get this isolated. Look. At the, sunlight trailing, the Sun, that's. Only, possible, with. A small Sun close, not. Very high, illuminating. Locally, I mean. If, this, isn't proof to you then. You. Gotta take the blinders off. Okay, and finally I want to show you some, examples, of local information or. A city, in the background. This. Is from Grand Canyon National Park. You. Can see Las, Vegas is, one of them. See. The star is going down so you know that's not the Sun that's the glow of Las Vegas it says you can see that's local, illumination I'm just making an example, showing you that there's Tuba City and a, little bit of Flagstaff, now. And, this. One here you see two lights obviously, we don't have two sons but, these are two cities lit, up and it's. Just to show it looks just like the Sun going over the horizon, that's the point but we're showing that. That's. Local, illumination at, work, the, Sun is not 93, million miles away because if it was the entire horizon, would fade evenly. And the. Entire horizon would paid at the same time not. What we see here which. Is the small. Sun cruising, over the earth and the light is following, case. Closed.

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the moon is round every planet we can see is round the sun is round every star we can see is round but we are flat? it's a shame because at lot of your posts are very interesting. But this is lunacy

All wrong guys. The Earth is squared! A-ha-ha p.s. - see ya around the corner...

P-brane has pulled a lot of idiotic ideas from his pea brain that have become foundations for the flat Earth nonsense. How high is the sun above this flat Earth? A couple of miles up "in the clouds"? "About 3,000 miles", is a common estimate. The father of modern flat Earth, Samuel Rowbotham said it was absolutely 700 miles, *"which admits of no uncertainty and requires no modification or allowance for probable influences."* http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za23.htm Flat Earth "researchers" can't agree on a distance, because no single distance will work with what we see in the real world, from our spherical rotating Earth. Stay skeptical, that's good. Just apply that same skepticism to flat Earth videos.

SUN IS LOCAL....CASE CLOSED !

This case has been closed since 2000 years. A simple observation of the sun from different locations shows that the sun is far away and earth is not flat: http://i.imgur.com/ukFWnpY.jpg

Must have taken some time to dig up all this nonsense! And it is all wrong! Actually observations of the sun that anyone can do debunk flat Earth beautifully! Look at the vids on my channel!

Jos Leys has some great videos that demonstrate the Earth - sun geometry. Even if you don't believe the heliocentric model, it won't hurt you to take a look outside of the flat Earth echo chamber. Don't be afraid.

Excellent!

There were times when I've noticed the light of the moon, in some mornings, is in a different direction of the rising of the sun....

More proofs about the Flat Earth: You Need to Come Into This With an Open Mind - Learning Curve - Unveiling the flat earth https://youtu.be/Ti83dxcKp50 The Biggest Deception of all Time With 200 Proofs - Earth is Not a Spinning Ball https://youtu.be/gpZ3EQH2tzk History of Flat Earth - International Research https://youtu.be/CuEvmf_UWCM The Earth is not what we have been trained to believe https://youtu.be/PxXIx9AJFbY Stars are not what we have been told - Depicting stars in real time https://youtu.be/tioZaeJ4qcQ You can't avoid this Documentary with Scientific Proofs about the Flat Earth https://youtu.be/Eqj_rW_0e5A Full Interview of Admiral Byrd Talking about Antarctica Secrets - Flat, Globe or Hollow Earth? https://youtu.be/cJJbc81OJcU

Been there! Saw that! Even bigger nonsense than this vid!

At 30 seconds clouds lit from below, you proved the globe earth. You killed flat earth in 30 seconds!

Lol, stupid fucking Flerfers never let me down on the comedy of dumb asses.

You take to long too get to the point.

Erm, spoiler. _It doesn't._

Thanks for the video. The earth is a stationary circle created by God and closed by the firmament's dome. The space is a lie. Nobody will stop the truth about our world. Glory to God and Jesus Christ forever and ever. Amen. Greetings.

https://youtu.be/yLmd0100T9g

I see you neglected to use a filter on your camera in order to remove the sun's glare. This is important, as it gives you a more accurate size of the sun. Using a filter shows that the sun's size doesn't change throughout the day, proving that the sun must be very far away. This has been demonstrated many times. This is only one of many proofs that the sun can't possibly be close.

+NaTuber Tv Anyone who post Eric's 200 proofs of a FE... as proof of anything other than supreme ignorance... does not understand the arguments they are trying to make.

+NaTuber Tv What is a shame is your ignoring evidence and then claiming there is no evidence. Unless you can find a way for the Moon to be 240k miles away on a FE... then all your observations are invalid.

Is not shame to search for the truth because what we have learned it seems that does not match with reality. Do they ??? Stars also are not what we have been told... But again, because we see many other round shapes, it does not mean that also the earth is round... More proofs about the flat earth: Stars are not what we have been told - Depicting stars in real time https://youtu.be/tioZaeJ4qcQ How the Sun Works on the Flat Earth part 1 - Timelapse of the Sun Proves the Flatness of the Earth https://youtu.be/3PAscfeYGMw You Need to Come Into This With an Open Mind - Learning Curve - Unveiling the flat earth https://youtu.be/Ti83dxcKp50 The Biggest Deception of all Time With 200 Proofs - Earth is Not a Spinning Ball https://youtu.be/gpZ3EQH2tzk History of Flat Earth - International Research https://youtu.be/CuEvmf_UWCM The Earth is not what we have been trained to believe https://youtu.be/PxXIx9AJFbY You can't avoid these Scientific Proofs about the Flat Earth https://youtu.be/Eqj_rW_0e5A Full Interview of Admiral Byrd Talking about Antarctica Secrets - Flat, Globe or Hollow Earth? https://youtu.be/cJJbc81OJcU

+Xaverdon Bloody hell, why do I always run in to idiots like you?

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The Sun and Moon do NOT get bigger and smaller as they rise and set.....it is just the glare , so that debunks your idea. FILM THE MOON ( which has no glare ) AND YOU WILL SEE IT STAYS THE SAME SIZE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY.

Great vid. Possible experiment. Can you ask all your viewers all up and down North and South America to send footage of sunset, and preferably living on the same lines of longitude. Then play them all the same time. That would interesting and proof.

Omg. Roflmao

Then why does sun stay same size as it approaches and retreats from prospective?

You are right. Regardless of the details it looks bigger when it's above you. Obviously it's closer. Plus with the eclipse it's the same size as the moon and on and on.

+Ray Whitson you lie, you can't see it looks like a sphere. It just looks ROUND.

+Ray Whitson why does it have to go at an angle? The moon is almost evenly lit across the surface, especially on full moon. A sphere can't do this. Hold up a reflective ball then shine a light on it. You get hotspot the face from centre to edge. Never see this on moon.

+Ran Niz Get a nice telescope and put it on Jupiter. Watch a sliver appear on the side the turns into the eye of Jupiter that then becomes a sliver on the other side. Time it and confirm it is gone for just as long as it is visible and jumps sides... So yes, we know for a fact planets are spheres

+Ran Niz A flat circle becomes an oval at any angle which never happens with the moon. We mapped 59% of the moon surface more than 400 years ago. So yes, we know for a fact the moon is a sphere... and that fact ALSO proves the earth is a sphere

Yes key word you are using is round not sphere, so continue your logic with earth, ROUND and flat. Are you saying you can tell all want we observe in sky are SPHERES, they are just lights. Even the moon doesn't look like a sphere, it looks like a slightly curved disc looking at us. You also can't tell if any of the planets are spinning, the moon isn't spinning so again continue your logic , the earth isn't spinning. Really think about it, from a child if no one discussed the earth to you as you know it and then when your say 25yr old, had to describe what you live on, what would you say? Especially if someone said we are spinning the spreadsheet the scientists tells us. You would laugh at then, and they never be able to convince you.

Nice try, and I was really looking for something convincing, but no, nothing in this video even comes close to half convincing. Time to give this away.

maybe maybe maybe... but well... unfortunatly there is no doubt, no maybe. maybe the sun is not close maybe the sun is really big.

heloo there i almost seen this kind of video and makes me think of it day by day .. i have no question about the flatness or a globeness. .what i want to ask is about the bible. and what it says that the sun will rise to the far east. how can u Prove that is going like that ...thank you godbless

Lovely video, but complete nonsense, in fact, bonkers.

For those interested, I just published proof that the Sun is about 3,000 miles high : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHuxMVclX4

because. mm... yep just because. no? well... I dont know... maybe its the wrong distance ? ;-)

And, my thumb covers up the sun and moon when I hold it at arm's length and look down my arm at the thumb. You're an idiot.

what a surprise!!! :) do you think he is another troll?

Hahahahahahaha thats so sweet to read , when your flat rainbow will fall i wanna be there fucking laughting out loug in yo stupid faces

+Dennis Kenny Sorry buddy, the moon and the earth are spheres... your ignorance does not change that

+NaTuber Tv I admire your quest for truth mate and enjoy your channel immensely. Thank you for everything you have shown me. I just struggle to follow this theory but your still a thumbs up for me.

+NaTuber Tv totally agree with you on stars not being what we are told . With the electric universe theories they are totally different make up and the accuracy of the sacred geometry predictions of where to find points of activity, we have to be a just off sphericaly round. I had telescopes since i was ten and maped movements watched plants and gone to observatories and not every thing I've looked at could have been at the right angle to make it look like a sphere . They where spheres.

+Ray Whitson reflective balls do not have an atmosphere like the moon does . Cover your reflective ball with a layer of glass and you get the effect we see when we look at the moon

+Ran Niz Hold up a reflective ball... cool. Is a rock on the ground a reflective rock?? No Then why are you pretending the moon is some how specially reflective ALSO the surface of the moon is not flat... that proves you wrong twice over. 1. It means that any one part is not flat so there are multiple angles in any one section allowing reflection to even out. 2. The shadows in craters move with the phases of the moon perfectly in synch with the movement of the sun

+Ran Niz Your joking. We know when the moon rises, we know when the moon sets... over land the distance between those two points is 12k miles... Please explain how EVERYONE is viewing it dead on, at NO ANGLE

+Ran Niz The sun can be tracks by rotating only one axis where as a sun spiraling above a disc would have to use two axis to track. Also, check the craters on the moon out. The ones near the center are very circular and then they become more oval as you move towards the edge, exactly as they would on a sphere.

not able to see in 3D , the earth is a 3D sphere, case closed.

+Xaverdon Says religion is a virus after telling us to perform satanic religious rituals. Idiot.

I've never seen people more paranoid and delusional in all my 57 years.

I can literally see the Sun rising from below the horizon 0:33 which proves the flat Earth model does not work.

00:05-> you brutally murdered the old "see how close the sun is because these rays..." argument. Very goo footage to demonstrate stupidity of flat earth close sun claim. 01:50-> funny that dogcam that shows the curvature is still in use in flat earth video

Pictorial History of Earth from Space. https://newatlas.com/gallery-photograph-earth-from-space/50704/ Project Apollo Photo Archive. https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums National Geographic - Moon 101. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AviDjR9mmo&t=8s National Geographic - Lunar Eclipse 101. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW2xRR75lKE&t=28s History Channel The Universe: The Phases of the Moon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXseTWTZlks National Geographic - Sun 101. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HoTK_Gqi2Q National Geographic - Solar Eclipse 101. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxrLRbkOwKs&t=22s How to spot the Space Station. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqn8zT1VipA&t=54s&app=desktop Capturing the ISS through a Telescope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waxqSCEFkBo&t=53s&app=desktop How does the International Space Station work? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLrOnEmy_GA&app=desktop

If the Sun was circling as you say, why does it rises and sets from east to west?

If the earth was flat, the sun would shine 24/7

1 video full of lies

I think you Globe heads get the sky and clouds mixed up with Earth, aka the ground ignorance is bliss, smh distinguish the difference morons

Its easy to understand that its flat... Its common sense

The fact that the sun substantially changes size when you zoom in on it with a cheap camera tells you that it cannot be 93 million miles away.

A light source like the sun would not arbitrarily light up half the world like that even if it was flat. What these idiots are trying to infer is completely impossible and ridiculously implausible. The sun literally would never set if earth was flat. There would always be light that would be seen all across earth at all times of day. Not really understanding why these flattards don't understand that.

+Essene Gnostic yep completely bonkers, that's my view, other eccentrics, please feel free to reply with another nonsensical comment!!

Speaking of bonkers ......... :-D

Don't mix Jesus with flat earth deception. Jesus and pals + early church never rejected sphere as satanic lie.

+Ran Niz So place a golf ball in front of a search light... Tell me how far that shadows goes My God how can you be this fucking stupid!!!

+Ran Niz Wow, you really are dumb... that is exactly what I didn't say... Hahahahahahaha Asteroids explode on contact Plenty on nonr circular craters Lol

+Ray Whitson also explain the size of the shadow of the moon on earth during eclipse. Only 70ml, what a joke. Do a simple experiment with torch and your hand. See if you can ever make shadow 50 times smaller than you hand.

+Ray Whitson you explained nothing. Are you still say you believe that every single meteor hit almost dead on , no one hit come in at a acute angle. And you didn't explain why there are crators facing earth directly. Also didn't clarify your other post of moon is rock that doesn't shine. Lastly, it very convenient you are staying evidence and fact when we have never ever seen a meteor hit the moon. Or one that ever hit the earth for that matter. You just make things up and blindly believe the scientists.

+Ran Niz Really... impact craters. Have you tried googling it. Been explained a million times... let's go for a million and one. The asteroid when it hits has a tremendous amount of energy that is realised on impact... do you know what we call things that do that... an bomb... you know what bombs do when they explode... they create circular craters AND if that is not bad enough... there are plenty of impact craters that are NOT circular. Like I said, you are not smart enough to be having this conversation

+Ran Niz You're confused... you see the difference YOU claimed how a reflective sphere behaves..then pretended that the moon should behave the same way. Letd be clear. You are too stupid to know the earth is not flat... and too stupid to understand the people telling you the earth was a sphere were correct. You clearly are not smart enough for this conversation

+Ray Whitson what did you just say! You are the ones saying the moon is a special reflective rock. Your and idiot. Don't you get it we all believed the same things you did . Then we woke and realised how stupid they are and how stupid we were to believe. Back to the point YOU are supposed to explain the highly receive rack you call a moon. Then explain anomalies of the reflection. Don't start on the crators. How are a round and no side impact marks. And all facing earth as if we shit rocks at the moon.

Yes key word you are using is round not sphere, so continue your logic with earth, ROUND and flat. Are you saying you can tell all want we observe in sky are SPHERES, they are just lights. Even the moon doesn't look like a sphere, it looks like a slightly curved disc looking at us. You also can't tell if any of the planets are spinning, the moon isn't spinning so again continue your logic , the earth isn't spinning. Really think about it, from a child if no one discussed the earth to you as you know it and then when your say 25yr old, had to describe what you live on, what would you say? Especially if someone said we are spinning the speeds the scientists tells us. You would laugh at then, and they never be able to convince you.

+Ken G.Thanks for idiot! This is your way! Reset Cities & Ghost Towns Waiting For The Next Wave of Civilization https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0y1OJtpkvg Fake History: Invented 5000+ Years, No Tombstones Earlier Than i625 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHE0rLjrUQw

+Ken G. Are you a robot?

Are you flat earth IDIOTS ever embarrassed about being SSOOO shamefully uneducated, abysmally ignorant, LAUGHABLY STUPID and hopelessly delusional? Ask mommy to change your diaper you pathetic morons, you absolutely STINK of stupid.

The earth is NOT A PIZZA..!! It's concave and the light curves.. should research I bit more

SHIT FOR BRAINS. DO SOME MORE DRUGS

You will not be left to educate yourself.

Most people cannot breath unless they are lying

you are not a speck of dust

we have all been dooped

I’ve watched a drone leave the completely ‘round’ earth and return which was filmed all the way

One of the early ones by Pbrane. I love it!

In trying to prove his nonsense, he shows you a perfect shot of earths curvature from the ISS. THANKS FOR PROVING THE CURVATURE.

If this IS proof to you, then you have been wearing the stupid helmet for too long already

I cant believe people are stupid enough to believe such obvious bullshit

lol . typical . you mistake glare for the size of the sun .. attach an actual solar filter to your camera . the sun does not change size . And no . parallel lines "converge" at infinity .. not "at your horizon" lol .. nice theory though ..

If you centered the Sun on North America , Europe would be on the far side of the curvature apex and thus be in darkness, but this simply does not happen.

I mean, even the comparison to the city lights?? I mean seriously all of you who speak condescendingly about this GFOH. At least show some respect. You don't even have to admit it 100 yet. Just stop the condescending tone because in LIGHT of evidence like this you only make yourself look stupid and arrogant.

The "Global" temperature variations make no sense given a sun that is supposedly 93 million miles away with a diameter of 864,938 miles ............ total nonsense, but many have fallen prey to Jesuit hocus pocus /power of suggestion.

How can you refute the evidence in this video? You CAN'T. So of course "globe earthers" instead of actually addressing the evidence such as the horizon CLEARLY NOT DISAPPEARING EVENLY, you in typical fashion resort to ad hominems "such as p brain" (what are you 7?) and asking YOUR OWN RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS. Let's make a rule my fellow people who know the earth is fixed, stationary, and immovable. Let's not answer any more "globe earthers" condescending questions until they learn to speak with respect, and answer our EXCELLENT questions that we first postulate. Please and thank you.

Why do you think we can see forever. How long before a plane leaves you sight. Or when you let a party heleum balloon go, how far can you see go up. Same for the sun. Your assuming light travels for ever. In that case, continue the logic and that means at night time the whole sky should be white light from all the billions of stars. No black at all, well no where near the amount we see, if light does travel for ever.

+Space ain't fake what , ha, ha,.its a massive difference if we are not a center. Someone at outer edge looking back in, will see many more stars. And your example only works if the universe is very young as to not have enough stars to fill the sky. Google can open the mind of a critical thinker but closes that of globers.domyou not notice your reasoning that you have say SUPER, and MUST be a star that hasn't reached us. We should be discovering new stars literally every day in your theory.

+Ran Niz Yes it does matter, because those light sources that are farther away than there has been time for the light to reach us we dont see. where on earth did I say a finite number of stars .. the universe is finite but incredibly large, why does the big bang model have to be infinite? It actually implies finite space . with a begining . and and end . Stars are born and die all the time. the sky is not blazining white at night because the stars that are super distant away from us have their light shifted out of the visible spectrum, or the light has just not reached us yet. For and example of the shifting out of the visible . think CMBR ... that is the remnant of the "first light" of the big bang. What are we expanding into? Good question . some theorize the multiverse is like a swiss cheese and the universe is one of those bubbles . and no . expanding does not imply a container (technically expanding is not exactly correct . every object is getting further apart from every other object at a rate relative to how far apart those objects are.).. and lol .. ok this is a standard FE'r proof we are at the center of everything . so tell me, you are in a rowboat in the middle of the ocean you look around you as far as you can see and its all ocean .. so obviously you are at the center of the ocean, right ? lol .. but to a point . you are correct . we are at the center of OUR visible universe .. some one on alpha centuri would have a different visible universe . tough to wrap those brain cells around, but I know you can do it .. and actually .. I have some studies in astronomy and cosmology under my belt . but why on earth are you knocking google .. you lot get ALL your info from other nutters you tube videos . and we cant see forever . but the hubble can see about 13.5 billion years out .

+Space ain't fake NO, it doesn't matter how big its getting. Expanding is means new stars are forming as well. Are you seriously saying at the big bang theory was a finite amount of stars. In your model the universe has to be infinite. You can't have it both ways. By definition, expanding into what? Expanding inffers a container. So earth can't have a dome but space can? Your reasoning only can make sense if earth is at the centre. Anywhere else in an expanding universe other than centre , my question is still valid. See you can't do research without critical Thinking. When you say research, you mean google an answer that sounds like it fits your narrative. When you stop thinking, we continue, that's the difference. If expanding, then is only ONE layer of space is doing this? Infinite starts at infinite distances at infinite angles to earth, therefore entire night sky should be white.

Actually . that was a vexxing scientific problem for over 200 years . it wasn't until the discovery of an expanding universe that the answer became clear .. you know . like all you nutters say .. do your research ..

+Ran Niz Except that neither the sun or the moon change in apparent size from when they rise to when they set, which the law of perspective tell us is only possible for objects that are really big and really far...

If a plane was flying a straight, but a low altitude, it too would look like it went behind the horizon, when if in fact it is a globe it would be much further before it "curved" out of sight.

Don’t forget the sun shining on the underside of the clouds during the first 30 seconds.

Assuming that the sun is circling around the north pole on a 6000 miles radius circle, 3000 miles up over the flat earth, basic geometry tell us that its elevation should never drop below 14 degrees (at midnight) for an observer at the equator. Atmospheric refraction accounts for a max of +/- 1 degrees of variation of the observed elevation of object close to the horizon. How can the sun reach the horizon on the FE, without ever changing size, then gradually disappear bottom first, while simple basic geometry tell us that it should never drop below 14 degrees above the FE plane???

Sigh !!

+claudbase LOL!!! You are one dumb Mo'f*ker . The closer the object the more it will increase in size, because you are closer to it ............ what the hell !!! ROTFL !!!

+Essene Gnostic God damn you're thick, the fact that a zoom can increase the apparent size of any object has nothing to do with the distance to the object, but only with the "ANGULAR SIZE" of the object. Talking about stupid, you are way up their with the best!

+claudbase Where did I say you can't zoom in on objects? What I am saying is that the amount you can zoom in / increase the size of the Sun is far too great for an object that is supposedly 93 million miles away ....... sheeeeesh you globeheads are stupid !!!!

+Essene Gnostic Why do you believe that we can't zoom on objects that are far away? A zoom simply increase the angular size of any object. The sun and the moon and any object that have a 0.5 degree angular size, when looked at with a 10x zoom, increase to 5 degree in angular size... It's not a question of distance but of angular size.

+Mike Mental You would require a mind to have one blown ........... Take the class. Seriously. Educate yourself and understand the difference between a captured zoom and a live zoom. Thus endeth the lesson.

+Essene Gnostic wow. Mind blown. Take the class. Seriously.

+Mike Mental I would suggest you take one. Zooming capability is only as effective given the proximity of the subject. If you stand 20 feet from an object and move ten feet closer to it that object should appear 50% closer, if there ia a similar object 10 feet behind the original object that one will appear approximately 33% closer. Again, use your head for once in your life. Might I suggest " Mental Case" in lieu of "Mental" ? ...... :-D

+Essene Gnostic That is how zooming works. Zoom zooms as much as it has capacity to zoom. Zoom zoom. The problem with sun and you zooming starts if you think it is some small unidentified circleling object above imaginary plate. Sun is actually pretty huge. Enormous if i may say. Zoom zoom. Zooming is basically magnifying. Zoom zoom. Take photograhy class. It is fun.

+Mike Mental Obviously you don't. What do you think I should be able to zoom in 93 million miles and see flames coming off the surface ? Use your head Einstein.

So no understanding about how zooming works?

+Rob Stammers How can I possibly top your nonsensical comments !! :-D

Smh. I meant the theory of which was initially postulated. The whole problem was redshifts in infrared in the wrong direction. In steps gravitational lensing. Not even going to explain that to you. In your arrogance you should know what I mean, but I'm sure you don't. And this "..." is an ellipses since you like to insult the intelligence of others. And I said redshifts IN the infrared spectrum, there is a difference. "REAL science does not need a truck load of buts, whatabouts and special cases" Exactly. And you have made it abundantly clear that you don't even understand just how many branches of heliocentric science contradict each other, or why. How did they come up with the theory of dark matter and dark energy, and why? If you can answer that you may actually begin to understand what I'm saying. But I'm done kiddo. Since you want to gloss over things like salar de uyuni like they don't matter even though you have yet to wrap your fragile mind even around that, that is all I will respond to you with until you can answer that simple question. Won't even ask you to solve the mystery of the cosmic microwave background radiation, and what it means.

+Nunya Business right . heavenly shells .. no I dont have to assume they are idiots .. they prove it every day . Yes . there are many things modern physics (and cosmology , and particle physics etc etc) are trying to explain, the shape of the earth is not one of them. lol . I like the way you say "redshifts and the infrared spectrum" .. gravitational lensing has nothing to do with either of those . and the infrared spectrum is just part of the electomagnetic spectrum, redshift is when certain absorption lines are shifted towards the red end of the spectrum .. one has nothing to do with the other. See .. you prove it every day

And before you google search and parrot some "science" you don't even understand. I am referring to WHAT CAUSES RADIATION.WHY DOES IT HAPPEN? ON A MOLECULAR LEVEL? Is what I meant. Same w gravity, dark energy, or many other of their BS THEORIES.

Yes I can. Because the galaxies are light sources on another heavenly shell. You should study ptolemy's cosmogony. That is closer to the truth than the modern heliocentric nonsense. "And another thing . with you lot its always have you seen it , have you yourself been there/done that pfft . then its fake .. yet the telescope test is trivial to do .but you have no desire to look into it and accept all those flying pig videos as gospel" never said that. Matter of fact even said I would. Three words for you. SALAR DE UYUNI. Guess science is yet to explain that too huh? If you actually understood modern physics, and the heliocentric model, you would understand that there are many, many, many things they are yet to explain. I understand gravitation lensing, and how the theory of dark matter was originally postulated perfectly. Don't think you do. It has to do with redshifts in the infrared spectrum. That's your problem, you assume all "flat earthers" are idiots that don't know what they are talking about bc that's how you were programmed to think. You continue to insult my intelligence instead of accurately addressing the things I'm saying. The fact that you think man knows what radiation "is" shows your infancy. Man can calculate it somewhat close to accurately as they can the effects of "gravity" and "dark matter" but don't know what it is. I assure you. I haven't said one thing is fake. And I have addressed you accurately, respectfully, and scientifically, so please don't compare me to anyone else bc I'm probably not even familiar w half of them.

+Nunya Business Lol . I have seen many convincing videos of pigs flying, yet I am pretty sure they cant. And wait . refraction, and light scattering are ridiculous theories??? .. but that is exactly what you lot try to use with your "selective prespective(tm)" and why things vanish from the bottom up! As for dark matter (and dark energy) . while we don't know what it is . we can observe its presence through gravitational lensing. And the theories fit the observations .. can YOU give ANY reason why distant (and yes even not so distant) galaxies dont fly apart . other than its fake ? For the longest time science did not know "what" radiation was . and then we did .. was it fake that entire time we couldn't explain it? And while you scream . but videos, and it would not be possible to happen on a globe thats why globers need ridiculous theories (that mind you have been tested and shown correct over and over and over again) I notice you failed to even try to explain how on a flat earth . once the sun is "to far for us to see its light" .. we still see its light (dusk or dawn) whats your ridiculous theory then .. And another thing . with you lot its always have you seen it , have you yourself been there/done that pfft . then its fake .. yet the telescope test is trivial to do .but you have no desire to look into it and accept all those flying pig videos as gospel. .. thats the whole problem with you lot . you really have no desire to actually learn anything . you just want to feel special and be part of a elite group that knows all about "The Conspiracy" .. lmfao .. One final word . I dont expect you to believe me, everything I have mentioned can be looked up and or done yourself Even the gravitation lensing around dark mater, while the math is beyond most of us I would guess, the explanations .. and yes even videos .. make sense and are repeatable and it all fits together.. its you lot that consider research to be looking at each others videos and misrepresenting shady results from questionable "experiments" , As jerenism said "hmmm . interesting" and then blamed it on weeds .. OMFG .. I'm done .. let me know when you discover fire ..

Exactly friend again proving my points. They need ridiculous theories like the light being scattered for their theory to work. You shouldn't be able to see light once the sun sets on a globe or more accurately an ellipsoid. PERIOD. But they need theories like the light scattering back to you. And if it's so grade school what's the theory called? I would watch that condescending tone. Just like distance galaxies should rip apart based on their theories so they pull one out of their ass such as dark energy to explain how they stay together. You are right, I have not done the experiment myself. See how easy that is to admit when I mean it? You were right. Wish globe earthers would give us the same respect and actually admit many things don't make sense on a "globe earth" instead of just moving on to another topic when it's convenient to them. That being said, I have seen many convincing videos of exactly what I stated via YouTube and other sources. Have I been out on a boat and done it myself yet? NO. I have however, seen enough evidence (not that that matters this is spiritual believe it or not) such as the horizon line setting with the sun as opposed to the whole horizon line setting at once as this video shows. Also, depending on the timing, not sure how much a difference 3 in would make vs 8 in unless we're talking about women ;-). To your point, if I don't believe them without doing it myself, why should I believe you? At least they have video evidence.

+Nunya Business nop . not true .. if I watch a ship go over the horzion with my 3 inch scope . and then look for it with my 8 inch scope . it is still gone . really . stop parroting other youtube vids and go try it yourself . And here is some science for grade schoolers: "When the sun is below the horizon its light doesn't reach you directly because the earth is in the way. But some of the light passing through the atmosphere above you gets scattered back to you, so it's not completely dark. As the sun goes further below the horizon, the scattering decreases (there's more earth in the way, so the light has to be scattered higher up in the atmosphere where the air is thinner) and it gets darker. The same thing happens in reverse before the sun rises." How do YOU explain dawn and dusk on a flat earth .. when the sun is "to far away to see" that means you cant see any of the suns light . but yet its still dusk . twilight ..

+Nunya Business shrugs . .then how does a proper solar filter make it appear to never change size . is it made of some magical material that knows how much to reduce or increase the size to keep it at ~30 arc minutes ? or is it pre programed to just show any light as 30 arch minutes in size . which can be easily shown not to be the case .. REAL science does not need a truck load of buts, whatabouts and special cases

Same way a ship does. Then it disappears. Then you get a bigger telescope. And it will come back. Do the same thing on top of a mountain look towards the sun where you still see the light AFTER THE SUN SETS look in that direction. Bet you see the ball of the sun again. Why don't you tell me why one would still see the sun's light after he sets on a globe? There is a name for this affect, but of course they blame it on "cosmic dust".

Did you ever see me say the sun was a lightbulb? Or I guess all heliocentric scientists have the exact same theories about everything huh? And yes FACTORS SUCH AS. THE CASING as I stated is one factor. The AIR and it's density and humidity between you and "task" are others. Even if you are wearing glasses or not are another factor that would determine the "glare" one sees. Again one of the reasons the "filter" theory doesn't hold water. Pun intended. I think that's how we started talking about that anyway? lol

The biggest 'why' question concerning the Flawed Erf should be: "How is it possible that a just rising/setting sun has 1 half above and 1 half below the horizon?"

+Nunya Business hmmm . 30 seconds of research .. "Glare is caused by a significant ratio of luminance between the task (that which is being looked at) and the glare source. Factors such as the angle between the task and the glare source and eye adaptation have significant impacts on the experience of glare. " so even your lightbulb example is wrong. (and I thought the sun was a lightbulb?)

Dude. Address all POINTS. Not one golden goose laying egg you THINK you've found. That's what all of you do. Ignore 80 good points and focus on one obscure debatable one. No time for that. The science is too deep for you to understand, for the sun itself cannot be exactly replicated on this earth. So why don't you focus on all the examples we gave that can?

Question. What causes the "glare" the atmosphere? In a lightbulb, it's the casing. CITY LIGHTS LOOK JUST LIKE THE SUN SETTING. ROFLMAO, you condescending troll.

+Essene Gnostic lol yes all those little magnifiers floating around up there .. no it is not .. the sun, when viewed through a proper solar filter remains ~30 arcminutes in size for the entire time it is visible . PS . i thought so .. after a grand total of 30 seconds of research . I did confirm that under certain circumstances the atmosphere can appear to SHRINK the sun vertically

+Space ain't fake You do understand that the sun is in fact magnified over distances as a result of particles in the air ....... don't you ? ........ good lord !!

+Nunya Business filtering out glare .. you can do the same thing (show glare) with a lightbulb .. Ohhh .. thats right .. the sun IS a lightbulb .. roflmao

+Nunya Business good lord cant ONE of you nutters invest in an actual solar filter for you camera and use it . I think they might be like $25US for a standard size lense .. the sun does not change size

+Essene Gnostic good lord cant ONE of you nutters invest in an actual solar filter for you camera and use it . I think they might be like $25US for a standard size lense .. the sun does not change size

But but, there's no filter! They'll say. Lmao. Because filtering out light is good for any scientific experiment.

Exactly friend, exactly.

+Nunya Business One problem, globers don't think, they are programmed not to.

Here's a thought. Why don't you actually address all the VERY GOOD points he brought up in his own video before you come on his page asking your own questions? And FYI. Watch it again. Pretty sure you see the sun start small at horizon and bigger as it approaches.

It actually doesn't ......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzw1Ug4tOo8&t=375s

+Nunya Business No mater how you try to redefine what is east and west on a flat earth, we all agree that they are in opposite direction from each other (180 degrees). On a flat earth the sunrise and sunset would not be in opposite direction for the observer at the equator. Simply draw a circle that represent the sun travel in 24 hours, select an "observer" point anywhere on the circle, at noon the sun is over the observer, 6 hours earlier the sun was 1/4 of a turn in the NE direction of the observer an 12 hours later, the sun would set NW direction.

+Nunya Business For an observer at the equator, where would the sun rise and set during the equinox on a flat earth? In most if not all FE models, the sun rotates around the north pole in 24 hours not to far above the earth plane. The sun would thus rise in the NE direction and set in the NW direction 12 hours later. Now that's not what is observed in reality. During the equinox, the sun rises exactly due east and set exactly due west, and this simple fact is true anywhere on earth.

+Nunya Business the sun doesnt set in straight line^ but you just take the example of the equinox when the sun is perfectly aligned in the east-west direction. and you also said that the eas tand west are where the sunrise and sunset are.. so, at the equinox, when the sun isperfectly aligned at the equator with the east-west axis, where the sun is doing a curve??? and the rest of the year, when the sun is more in the south, what is the circular path followed??? I think you are lost in your geometry and dont know what a circular movement is. did you need some help?

+Colin Parkinson nnnnooo way aphrodite for all !!! peace and love !!! well... more love than peace ;-) with good curve... oohhh... yeah... aphrodite!!! ;-)

Well, Yahweh is my God. And He is the One True God. Btw, Thursday get's it's name from "thor" just a fun fact.

+Nunya Business which god? I like Thor as a preference.

+Nunya Business mmm... how its possible to have west matching the sunset? if the movement is a circular one causing the sun to go to the north to be able to go on top of the next country which is at this position??? or are you saying that a country west from my position is really at the west (90deg from the north/south axis) which mean I'm at the west of the country too... so... like 2 countries on a globe each one at the west of the other. in this case its working, the sunset is correctly setup. but the circular movement is not the sun, its the rotation of the earth. in this condition its working. else the path of the sun cant be the one we are seeing. if a friend go away from me, I cant see him only if an obstacle is between him and me. else there is no reason to not see him. did you notice how far you can see the clouds? and how the cloudsare hidden by the ground? so... conclusion??? its the ground which hide them from my eyes. and how its possible to have the ground hiding stuf.... ???? because the ground is curved and the objects are following this curve, at some point, the ground will hide them from my eyes. you understand how a simple logic can help you understanding the wolrd?

And also, the sun does not set in a straight line in reality. Watch a sunset.

That's the problem friend. Understanding physics and geometry. Whether or not the earth is a flat circle. On a flat circle (which it is) E to W is Clock-wise. W to E is counter clockwise. It is not a linear motion. "if you have nothing between you and the sun, what is causing this?" Gee idk friend, when you have a friend of yours walking away from you on a plateau or uphill and they eventually disappear, what causes that? And that is where you are wrong. West is exactly the motion of sunset. Again, depends on what type of 3D object we are speaking. Over a cylinder like object, or a spherical like object. The effects you are referencing are called procession. Now picture that it is the sun that is processing, and not the wobble of the earth's axis.

+Nunya Business beyond eyesight... interesting. what is causing the limit of the eyesight? if you have nothing between you and the sun, what is causing this? and like you say, if the sun is traight to the West, how he can be to the west while you said its a circular movement ???? how its possible to keep a straight line in a circular movement? remember, west is at 90deg from the north/south direction. west is not the sunset direction. so with a globe, its working perfectly. but with a flat earth and a circular movement, the sun , at sunset, should be north west on top of the next country. or for you the west direction changes and west is not at 90deg from the north/south axis?

I see what you were thinking though young grasshoppa. Keep thinking like that, with actual logic, and you will eventually see it. Then God can take you to seeing the Whole thing.

Well in the manner in which you are putting it. Beyond the horizon would be beyond eyesight, and at an angle. And what you said about the sun setting is not true. The sun would be overhead at the equator during the equinox (as that is from where both words derive meaning equal), therefore it would set due W. Now during the summer solstice you would see a NW setting orientation. And during the winter solstice you would see a setting of SW orientation.

+Nunya Business If the sun was moving in a circular path above a FE, it would rise NE and set NW during the equinox for an observer at the equator and significantly change size throughout the day. In reality, the sun rises due east and set due west and doesn't change in size. Further more their is no "beyond the horizon" on a flat earth plane, unless you are talking of imaginary Antarctica ice wall limit...

+Nunya Business Yes it is obvious that you have no idea what I am talking about, and that is the problem. The sun has an angular size of about 0.5 degrees, which means that the rays coming from the right edge of the sun are not parallel to the rays coming from the left edge of the sun. These rays are 0.5 degrees apart... If all the rays coming from the sun where perfectly parallel, the sun would look like a single point in the sky (like a stars)

+Nunya Business how, which angle? which angle are you expecting? and the angle on which axis? what are you expecting when you see the rays from the top? something like this... http://en.es-static.us/upl/2011/11/crepuscular_rays_from_space_10-18_2011.jpg mmm... well... the sun is not close! come on say it: perspective !!!! :)

No idea what you're talking about friend. What I do know, if the sun were 93 million mi away the rays of the sunlight would come straight in, and break at a far more acute angle than we see. Again, also no sunspots over water.

Beyond the horizon means E to W in a circular trajectory.

+Nunya Business "that is you still seeing the sun's light as it is gone beyond the horizon" What does "beyond the horizon" even mean on a FE??? Objects above a flat plane gradually shrink in apparent size as they get farther from an observer (which the sun and moon do not do...), and never end up disappearing bottom first below the plane (as the sun and moon do...).

+Nunya Business lol you dont know the perspective? the rays in the clouds are exactly this. for 1 time you can use the word : perspective without doing a mistake, you dont use it. lol

You think about that Einstein. Why would you be able to see clouds lit up from "below" on a globe once the sun was beyond the horizon? Hmmmm? Refraction?

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!?? This lack of understanding science is getting RIDICULOUS. 30 SEC MARK PROVES "FLAT EARTH" That is not clouds being lit up that is you still seeing the sun's light as it is gone beyond the horizon. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE ON A GLOBE. Not to mention if you watch everything around the 30 sec mark you see the light breaking through the clouds at angles which WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF THE SUN WERE OVER 90 MILL mi away, even if THE SUN WAS 1 MILL MI AWAY THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN. It's like you just watched the video looking for the two secs that would prove your point, AND YOU STILL FAILED.

I think that FE video makers are leaving mistakes, like a serial killer would purposely leave clues, because they secretly want to get caught and treated for their illness.

EXACTLY. The light is not 93 mill mi away from the billiard or you wouldn't see it. If it were a large ball of gas it would engulf in light, not create a spot. And I'm talking either from space, or sea level, they look relatively the same.

+Nunya Business Sun spots are darker features observed on the surface of the sun. You are talking about a bright spot that can be seen on the ocean in pictures taken from space... This simple phenomena is true for any relatively smooth sphere light by some small angular size light source (Example the reflection of a ceiling light on a billiard ball...)

That's a good point about the .5 degree angular degree size. Finally a " globe earther" that can somewhat look at things from down here. Which proves my point you will learn soon enough. The point is. A ball of gas 93 mill mi away would not produce a small sunspot over the earth's water. Don't believe me? Replicate it in an experiment.

+Nunya Business How do you know the sun is not a physical object? Solar filter are not only used to protect from the "harmful effects of direct gazing" they are also used to avoid saturating the sensor and enable a reliable way to measure the angular size of the sun. What does the sun spots have to do with the sun being 93 million miles away? The sun like the moon are about 0.5 degrees in angular size and both have easily visible features on their surface. What's you point?

Your statement shows you don't understand how light works. The sun isn't a "physical object" so to speak but a light source. And fyi the only reason a filter is used is due to the alleged harmful effects of direct gazing. Not to get a more accurate "size" reading. Why are there small sunspots under a sun that is 93 mill mi away?

+Ran Niz "Remember the moon is a sphere" Let me put a nail in your fucking stupid FE coffin... The Moon is visible at any given time by half the Earth at a time... that is someone seeing it rise and someone seeing it set are more than 12k miles apart... even on an FE. On any given night ALL observers see a slightly different angle to that sphere... to were you get about a 2% variation for all observers... MEANING we see about 52% of the Moon surface on a night... and due to variations in it orbit more than 400 years ago we mapped 59% in total... Guess what buttercup... if the Earth was flat then the moon MUST be close... less that 4k miles above the surface... so PLEASE EXPLAIN how we ALL see only 52% on a given night when it being that close it should be closer to 85% Good luck!!! I know you will be wrong but I will laugh my ass off at the answer :D

+Ran Niz "Go outside and observe! Your eyes have focal point of 238k? Go on, go back to you computer model, draw a ball 3.4k km wide and move it back 238k miles, you believe you can see it that big in sky." Fuck oh dear the dumbshittery keeps on coming... Angular size... the amount of "real estate" an object will take up your field of vision... the moon is about half a degree... It is half a degree if it is its actual size and actual distance... or 100 times smaller and a 100 times closer... it would the be SAME ANGULAR SIZE... My God the fact you think you are smart is so hilarious as to be dishabilitating!!!

+Ran Niz "Remember the moon is a sphere, you cant bounce waves of it. It will never come back to you" Thank you for that... the simple FACT that you accept it is a sphere PROVES the Earth is not flat... but besides that MORON... you do not get a 100% return... you do not need it... so once again thank you for proving you are a fucking idiot!!

+Ran Niz "he, ha, ha, radio waves. You just bring up shit. Where can you buy this radio wave machine that can bounce of the sun. " I never said Sun... I said Moon... fuck you are dumb. You NEVER heard of a HAM Radio... you just need to get a signal booster and there you go... they have been doing it for as long as HAM Radios have been around... Millions of everyday people have done it... and once again you prove you are a fucking idiot :D

+Ray Whitson he, ha, ha, radio waves. You just bring up shit. Where can you buy this radio wave machine that can bounce of the sun. Again avoiding the question, and turning to insults. Remember the moon is a sphere, you cant bounce waves of it. It will never come back to you. Again you show your lack of critical thinking. Only bounce of if it's flat. Even in your theory, you should be saying that there is only one point on SPHERE earth that can bounce wave off, and tat has to be exactly perpendicular to moon. Anywhere else, the distances you state, the radio wave will bounce of into space. So I'm doing the thinking for you again. Go outside and observe! Your eyes have focal point of 238k? Go on, go back to you computer model, draw a ball 3.4k km wide and move it back 238k miles, you believe you can see it that big in sky.

+Ran Niz " Go on halve every value it works, time every value by 100, it works. Go outside observe reality." My God how do you even breath being this stupid... So PLEASE... go outside and observe reality and tell me if the Moon is 6k miles away of 6 million or 6 billion??? How would we EVER be able to figure that all out... OH WAIT... we have radio waves that we can bounce off the Moon and measure how long it takes for them to come back... Guess what retard it is around 238k miles away... SO... You don't get to just decide on what the scale is... we know what the scale is and you are too fucking dumb to know how fucking dumb you are.

+Ran Niz "continue not to answer anything again. It's a computer simulation, off course they are going to make it work you idiot" OMFG you are so dumb... seriously!! First off retard... you SAID "To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale."" BUILDING A COMPUTER MODEL IS DRAWING IT TO SCALE!!!! So ya.. you are dumb as fuck and you just love to let everyone know :D

+Ray Whitson continue not to answer anything again. It's a computer simulation, off course they are going to make it work you idiot. Go on halve every value it works, time every value by 100, it works. Go outside observe reality. 93mil miles away, what a joke.

+Ran Niz "To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale." This is what I find particularly interesting about your claim... There are dozens of programs out there right now who have it all mapped out to fine detail... where it shows real lighting mechanics and places everything where it belongs and SHOWS the umbra and penumbra going across the earth exactly how it is done in reality... No FE idiot has ever debunked it... you just simply deny it... with no proof.

+Ran Niz Simply put. Place a sun and moon as large as they are, at the distance from each other, as they are... with the earth being as far from the moon as we are... And you will PERFECTLY map out the movement of the heavens but also predict the exact size of the umbra and penumbra to within inches of their location on earth. I know this confuses you... but it is still reality!

+Ran Niz "love how you just ignore all light except the days that fit your calcs." "no only larger if you keep thinking of your presupposition." Try and quote what you are replying too...these make ZERO sense in relation to anything... so try again.

+Ran Niz "why make both larger? " Because they are... DUH... " To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale." Been done a BILLION times and works perfectly every time... just because you are too stupid to understand what you are shown don't blame that one on me. "The umbra and penumbra is just min and max shadows. It doesn't represent the actual size of object" No shit... "At your claimed distances the light would be so defused " Defused by what??? LOL! You do know for 93 million miles it only has less than 60 miles of relatively dense atmosphere to go through... GOD DAMN you are dumb!!!

+Ray Whitson no only larger if you keep thinking of your presupposition.

+Ray Whitson love how you just ignore all light except the days that fit your calcs.

+Ray Whitson why make both larger? Again to make your example work. To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale. No one has ever drawn up an eclipse to size and made the Moonshadow 70ml wide on Earth. Again you google what suits you and don't note any sizes. The umbra and penumbra is just min and max shadows. It doesn't represent the actual size of object. At your claimed distances the light would be so defused that you should never see shadow of moon unless it was very close to Earth along with the sun.

+Ran Niz "The moon shadowing earth during eclipse is 40x smaller. Not a little a lot. Draw it up any way you like, it never works." Thanks AGAIN for proving me right... You know if the Moon was closer the "dot" would be larger... and if the "dot" was smaller the Moon would be further away... so the SIMPLE FACT that there is a dot, the umbra... and we also have a penumbra... Proves you are a fucking idiot :D

+Ran Niz "Now to make this even clearer, because you are now obviously a troll, the shadow won't be a sharp and dark but also have blurred larger shadow." You mean the penumbra... as we see in reality... thanks for proving me right!!! Again!!!

+Ran Niz "the light from sun rays are comming in almost directly straigh" Yep... ALMOST... which proves me right.

+Ran Niz " Large search light against a ball? Move that light millions of miles back, your example fails." And make them BOTH millions of times larger than they work perfectly. If you build it ALL to scale then the light works EXACTLY as we see in REALITY with an umbra and penumbra... Seriously how can you be this stupid!!

+Ray Whitson keep pretending not to understand. You tried to make point by misrepresenting the eclipse. Large search light against a ball? Move that light millions of miles back, your example fails. 99%, what a joke, you know what I meant. When you see an eclipse, the light from sun rays are comming in almost directly straight. Even with your stupid example, if you draw it up, you don't just draw a ray line from top and bottom of light source to the object in front. You would also have rays from the centre of the light source hitting the object Infront, which is why a shadow is always BIGGER,. Now to make this even clearer, because you are now obviously a troll, the shadow won't be a sharp and dark but also have blurred larger shadow. The moon shadowing earth during eclipse is 40x smaller. Not a little a lot. Draw it up any way you like, it never works. Which is why you used the large search light.

+Ran Niz "again you avoid the question, how are there crators directly inline with earth." FUCK DUDE... you do realize not getting the answer you like is DIFFERENT then not getting an answer at all. I explained it to you... CRATERS being circular does NOT require them to be "inline" with the Earth... There are PLENTY of craters on the Moon that are NOT circular, to begin with, and some that are clearly on the sides of the Moon... assuming you are not ALSO crazy as well as stupid and claim the Moon is flat.

+Ray Whitson again you avoid the question, how are there crators directly inline with earth. There literally hundreds of them. What, all just missed the earth and went on to hit the moon. You would see the entire Earth also have the same land scape then. Google is your religion, it's stops your critical thinking. You stop your logic when it suits your theory. all I'm doing is continuing your theory and digging deeper, I haven't come up with new theories.

+Ran Niz " In an eclipse, the sun is the same size as the moon" Fuck OH DEAR... how can you be SO STUPID!!! NO... it is RARELY the same size... its 99% of the Time either larger or smaller than the Sun... so what do you think that means??? So you are so fucking stupid that you PRETEND the Sun and Moon are the same size... then when observations PROVE they are not. That the Sun is MUCH larger and very far away BECAUSE of the Shadow the Moon throws... So if the Moon and Sun are the Same size... why is the Penumbra thousands of miles across... You want to complain about someone else posting too fast.... LOL!

+Ray Whitson ha,ha,ha, put a search light again a ball. In an eclipse the sun is the same size as the moon. This is why it's an eclipse, idiot. You rush to respond because you think you catch me out, but your just digging yourself ba bigger hole. Don't just make up experiment or re hash pics from you school book that are made to look like it works.

+Ran Niz "Crators via meteors comming in as you say tromendous speed, at any angle, always make round crator?" Try to read retard... there a PLENTY of craters on the moon that are not round... God damn... TRY to read just once... it may help you. Google it... fuck of dear... there are plenty of pictures of the Moon craters that match your stupid claim... must mean you don't know how to look shit up on the internet... If you can't then ask an adult for help.

+Ran Niz " I asked if you can make any shadow smaller than the object itself." Thank you for ONCE AGAIN proving how stupid you are... If the golf ball in front of the searchlight has NO SHADOW... that's because with a LARGE light source (the sun) will make a smaller shadow to with a smaller object (the Moon). The distance between them will determine the SHADOW LENGTH... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Keep on losing I find your stupidity hilarious!!

+Ran Niz God damn dude... you know we can just scroll down and see what I wrote... "Hold up a reflective ball... cool. Is a rock on the ground a reflective rock?? N0!" You do not call a rock a reflective rock... because ITS NOT... Damn... thank you for PROVING how stupid you are...

+Ray Whitson see you rely on stupid people not to keep catching you out in lies. Then typically resort to name calling. Fact, you said look at a rock it doesnt reflect. You keep pretending that you don't understand the question, and Cleary avoiding the difficult ones. Shadow of moon, what should the size be on earth during eclipse, not how far it can reach. I asked if you can make any shadow smaller than the object itself. Crators via meteors comming in as you say tromendous speed, at any angle, always make round crator? Not slightly oval, I mean should be a massive entry trench then onto a crator.

+Ray Whitson what did you just say! You are the ones saying the moon is a special reflective rock. Your and idiot. Don't you get it we all believed the same things you did . Then we woke and realised how stupid they are and how stupid we were to believe. Back to the point YOU are supposed to explain the highly reflective rock you call a moon. Then explain anomalies of the reflection. Don't start on the crators. How are a round and no side impact marks. And all facing earth as if we shot rocks at the moon.

+Essene Gnostic, *Nunya Business* *Claudbase* summed it up pretty well. Surveyors have been able to accurately determine features, like mountains, they've never been to by parallax. Everybody with two healthy eyes uses parallax every day, without even thinking about it. It's how you're able to get that piece of pie on that fork in your mouth instead of smearing it on your shirt. You're brain has learned how far apart your eyes are, and can calculate the distance to that piece of pie by how they cross as you watch it while guiding it into your mouth. That crossing of your eyes is called parallax. A distance and two angles can tell you everything you need to know about the rest of a triangle, *if* those two angles are different enough, provide enough parallax, to be measured. There is plenty of parallax to accurately measure a distance from a flat Earth to an object two miles or 3,000 miles above by using two teams of surveyors separated by a couple of miles, or a thousand miles. So there's no excuse for flat Earth "researcher's" inability to determine the distance to the sun and moon. Except that the Earth isn't flat. The parallax when viewing a sun 93 million miles away from a spherical Earth has been too small to measure using parallax with the equipment available hundreds of years ago. This is how the distance from the Earth to the sun is measured today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-T4Us4j9bg I heard a slightly different story, that the distance to Venus is measured by bouncing radio waves off of it. If we now have instruments sensitive enough to measure parallax, that works too. *Essene Gnostic,* you're displaying a typical flat Earther's ignorance with that *"8 inch per mile squared."* . *"Well, actually no 8 inch per mile squared curvature has ever been physically proven."* That's a rough estimate for short distances. Do you know that formula describes a parabola, not a circle? Anyway, here's a video showing the horizon rolling down and away with the curve of the Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOQ_BCtqUI See it *not* rising to eye level? So, as Claudbase said, scientists of hundreds and thousands of years ago lacked the techniques and technologies that we have today. It's amusing watching flat Earthers refuse to take advantage of what we've learned.

+Essene Gnostic The people you sited lived many centuries or even millennia ago had no scientific instruments capable of measuring the distance to the sun. Today, we have these instruments and all that have measured this distance with modern instruments come up with the same answer. On the other hand, if the sun was a couple of thousands miles above a flat plane, it would have been easy even for Aristarchus or Ptolemy to use simple parallax to measure the distance to the sun and moon. In reality, every time this was tried, the measured distance varied in function of the latitude on earth where the measurement was made. Which is why, even today, with all the precision instruments available, the FE community cannot agrees with any specific number.

+Nunya Business Most globe Earthers are very very ignorant. It's obvious that the Jesuits created equations to match the heliocentric model.

THANK YOU! HalleluYAH! Not to mention Kepler that murderer who killed Tycho Brahe and stole all his notes and changed his geocentric earth model to a heliocentric one. And the confusion about size and distance are only because of the phases of perihelion and aphelion, something I don't think a lot take into account.

Aristarchus , Ptolemy, Cassini , Kepler , all quoted different distances to the sun. " Flat Earth "researchers" can't agree on a distance, because no single distance will work with what we see in the real world" Well, actually no 8 inch per mile squared curvature has ever been physically proven.

Sigh... Your same argument applies to the heliocentric model and the modern 93 mill mi estimate. Has it always been that?

Did you get left in a car on a hot day when you were a baby or something? Mate stop wasting whats left of your life on this insane crap.

Your ridiculous flat Earth conclusion ist not even worth intelligent argument any more. No one really cares if you mind-f*ck yourself with such non-sense. Have at it. Disprove this simple video "Flat Earth CRUSHED by Discovery Channel". :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVa2UmgdTM4 Watch the whole video. :-) So... The Earth's curvature ist roughly a drop of 6 feet at 3 miles, using a level laser, und it ist roughly a drop of 24 feet at 6 miles, using a telescope und a helicopter's known altitude above sea level. The farther the distance away from a fixed point, the larger the drop in the Earth's curvature of the circumference at a constant ratio,...or simply the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. The mathematical ratio of "Pi" (π) really ist a factual constant...Isn't it? Water really does curve around the Earth...Doesn't it? There goes the very ignorant flat Earth claim into the abyss...smiles Your conclusion about a flat Earth ist a reflection of your own biased, self-important, "Disordered Phobias" affecting your dementia of conspiracy. I can conclude that you think most everything ist a conspiracy. YouTube ist infested with CGI, Photoshop, Cults, Cons, und Idiots now who will believe almost anything that just anyone wants to show them it seems. You should fit right in...smiles

What willful ignorance! They need a different map to demonstrate different claims. But none of those maps agree with each other on all of these stupid ideas.

April 1st passed 18 days ago.

how about you go shoot yourself?

Może jak już wyjaśniamy sobie jak działa słońce na płaskiej ziemi to ktoś odpowie na podstawowe pytanie jak wysoko jest to słońce?

Okay not interesting but stupid.

Interesting?

Flat Moon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doGRcc9yJ9A

what if the World is flat then should we make the ww1 and ww2 again for this is another type now. nolcakki düzse düz yani eliptikken sana bi faydası mı yoktuda şimdi kar etcen

My balls are flat

Thanks for proving how shamefully idiotic flat earthers are, keep it up.

Also, WRONG about Alaskas Sun! If the Earth were flat that's NOT what we would see at all! We would not see the Sun dip up & down! The reason the Sun dips up & down IS because Earth IS a sphere! If Alaska were center of orbit we would see the Sun in a perfect circular orib without dipping. If Alaska were "off center" we would only see the sun get further away & closer again & no dipping. You mental views are way off & made up - not correct in what we would see if Earth were flat!

A real idiot! Even if the Sun were real close (we would burn up!) it would be impossible for it not to elimunate the rest of Earth. Also it would be impossible for the "non elimunated areas" to be pitch dark like they are at night! Also, if the sun is a sphere, why is it so hard to believe that the Earth is not a sphere?

For the love of God, I hope you don’t vote... or breed.

did anyone check size of the Sun in a Telescope , should be very obvious change as obvious as a slap in the face also there should be a difference in angular size over the year for the Earths orbit is not a circle is ellipse , at least we are told so . Imp reaty sure Sun wobbles in all kind of strange ways including on its surface , should be visible but over long time periods not over a day

+Ran Niz nop . they wont . they will see roughly 13.5 billion years worth of stars . about the same as us . And no (all though given the estimated time until the heat death of the universe it is currently very young) . the main reason is distance . and the fact that space is not infinite. And we do actually discover new stars .. The Orion nebula is a "hotbed" of star birth .. (on a cosmic time scale) . Every time the hubble (or any of the others) looks deep back into time, they discover something new .. so yea . maybe not every day but we do discover them . (if a star is further away than the universe is old .. we will never see it .. do those exist .. we dont know . but that does not invalidate everything else )

+Essene Gnostic Like you already know, this is the most popular model proposed by FEers. Others like you simply refuse to put any numbers or hypothesis on the table. All you're doing is repeating:" this or this is not what we are told it is (without presenting any facts for the assertion) then assert the baseless idea that nobody knows. The problem is that, if it is true that YOU are ignorant about what the sun is for example, scientists have observed the sun for many centuries and continue every single day to accumulate more and more data on it, using more and more sophisticated instruments.

+claudbase "Assuming that the sun is circling around the north pole on a 6000 miles radius circle, 3000 miles up over the flat earth" why assume this ?

+Nunya Business OHHHHH .. that debunked video about what you should not be able to see when looking across those salt flats you mean .. sorry old news . And again . if the earth is flat .. the sun "sets" because you cant see its light anymore . which raises a whole slew of other questions . but the one I have been trying to get an answer to is . if you cant see the suns light anymore . why is it still light?

+Nunya Business Ok, I will bite, since its obvious you are waiting to spring some 'trap' .. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, nor do I have any idea what you mean by "looking in the infrared spectrum toward the celestial sphere" since to get an astronomical spectrum you normally use a point source (thus the term slit-spectroscopy) . I suspect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about either (at least in a scientific view . if you insists on layers of celestial spheres . so be it ) . so go for it . prove me wrong. And , if my other "answers I gave are incorrect please enlighten me on the source of the CMBR, what I am missing about some salt flat in the mountains, or even some of the many conflicts you mention in modern science. Convince me all of modern science has it wrong and you lot have realized the "TRUTH" .

+Space ain't fake" the entire set of spectral lines will shift towards the red (lower frequency) if the object is moving away and towards the blue if it is moving closer. " My point exactly. And being that scientists usually gather info one spectrum at a time, again you prove my point friend. You still do not understand what I asked. Not how they actually came up with the theories. The answers you gave are incorrect. I will give you a hint. Again, when LOOKING IN THE INFRARED SPECTRUM TOWARD THE CELESTIAL SPHERE what do scientists notice? Is it red shifts, or shifts towards the blue. What do you see, and what does it imply? THAT is how they came up with the theory. And btw. SALAR DE UYUNI.

+Essene Gnostic Nice .. good answer .. I find it laughable too that the sun sets because its to far away to see

+Nunya Business I wasnt going to answer , but hey one more for old time sake. RedShift has nothing to do with the infrared spectrum, and actually, absorption lines in the lower end of the spectrum are typically used . and btw the entire spectrum shifts . not just the infrared. (it is impossible to only shift part of a spectrum for any particular object) What on earth do you mean by in infrared in the wrong direction .. the entire set of spectral lines will shift towards the red (lower frequency) if the object is moving away and towards the blue if it is moving closer. just like a train whistle gets higher in pitch as it approaches and lower as it gets further away. Or is that wrong too ? WFT does in steps gravitation lensing mean .. lol gravitational lensing is light being bent by the gravity wells of massive gravity wells . and actually . its not being bent , its going in a straight line but following the curve of space time. This was proven by Dyson and Eddigton during the eclipse of 1919. Name some conflicts in the current scientific model . that are not at the cutting edge of research? (for example . quantum entanglement appears to be able to send information at greater than the speed of light ) That is how science grows . the cutting edge points out flaws in current understanding, and we then try and figure out why and move our knowledge base forward. Even in Galileo Galileis time, the shape of the earth was not the cutting edge, I will grant the relation between the sun and earth was . he showed we orbited the sun . not the other way around. Again . the shape of the earth and who orbits who has not been the cutting edge of science for a very long time. How did they come up with dark energy . they said hmmmm . something with a lot of gravity seems to be affecting these galaxies, and we cant seem to see it . lets call it dark matter . and then do some tests to see if it behaves as a massive amount of matter would behave, even though we cant see it .. and lo and behold .. it does .. that is what science is. And dark energy is completely different from dark matter, and causes a different effect.. you do know the difference .. right? Whats to gloss over about a salt flat in the mountains . plate tectonics and the passage of time on the earth seem to do a pretty good job of explaining it. There is no mystery around the CMBR .. it is the initial "flash" of light from the instant when the early universe cooled enough for photons to exist. It pretty much proves the big bang. And even more interesting . more detailed mapping of this radiation tend to support the theories of why galaxies and clusters of galaxies form .. you can read up on it your self if you like. Seriously . you throw out a bunch of words as questions, offer no explanations . just get all mysterious about me understanding and move on to the next question. I have explained, with perfectly reasonable and accepted explanations for everything you have asked , and all you can do is throw word salad at me , and when you try and show how smart you are (redshift in the infrared spectrum lol . that is meaningless) you screw it up. I would be happy with an answer to the first question I asked you. If my explanation explains why there is a dusk (light after the sun sets ) and you say its complete bollox .. but yet . on a flat world .. the sun "sets" when it is to far to see its light (lol yeah 3000 miles or so) but yet . there is still light . where is that coming from?

+Space ain't fake LOL !!

+Essene Gnostic Actually, I have .. was a merchant sailor for 6 years .. and if your talking about some of those lovely nights where the sun seems to swell into a lovely orange ball that colors everything .. on a flat earth . shouldnt it be fading to a pinpoint at that time instead. And as I asked someone else . if on the flat earth .. the sun going below the horizion means its to far to see its light . why is its still light after sunset ? where is that light coming from ?

+Space ain't fake LOL!! you have obviously never experienced a large sunset over the Mediterranean Sea.

+Nunya Business First , radiation does not happen on a "molecular" level .. it happens on an atomic level, and is caused by unstable isotopes of an element collapsing to a different , lower energy element or isotope, and releasing energy in the process.

Yes, I much agree...He could have simply said "hi everyone, watch this video I made und see how ignorantly stupid I am",...video done, und he accomplishes the same thing...smiles

+Ran Niz https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/ham_radio/amateur-propagation/moonbounce-propagation-eme.php

+Ran Niz Radio waves bounce off the ionosphere at an ANGLE... when the moon is above you... there is no angle or not much of one... And if you need to know the strength of the signal needed... just look it up moron... it's been done ever since HAM radios have been a thing. Thank you for writing down some of the stupidest arguments ever... Lol

+Ran Niz Fuck me you are dumb. You said the moon was a reflective sphere. You never get 100% back when electromagnetic waves bounce back. It takes a couple seconds for the waves to come back from the moon, the spin of the earth has nothing to do with it. Seriously... you are really, really dumb.

+Ray Whitson how many times do I have to catch you out. You think it's a sphere that has a very reflective surface. Throughout your post you keep just saying shit that only support me. So now you add the not 100% return. Every post you just add things that science says works. Use your models for radio wave, it doesn't work. Your in a globe spinning, you will never get signal back. And are these the same waves you say say bounce of the ionosphere, but conveniently pass through to moon when you need them to?? What transmitter has the power to travel 250k ml and hack. Use you brain and think a bit, past whats presented to you. You will realise that all you do is give up thinking deeper and just blindly accept scientists just because they said so.

+Leonie Or... you are either moving too fast or you're dead - a fox said

Ok,...smiles...but remember...Where ever you go? There you are. If you aren't there? You're some place else.

the only reason a flat earth matters is that it would burn quicker than a round earth. The heavens and earth are reserved for fire.

+Essene Gnostic And what are the measurements and data that confirms this "indisputable" fact?

+PDX Dragon It's flat ....... deal with it. " That's a rough estimate for short distances. Do you know that formula describes a parabola, not a circle? " Well actually I recreated it on a graphics system and it works out perfectly ........ sorry agent Smith.

+claudbase Typical glober, who said anything about a couple of thousand miles ? I'm saying there is no doubt it is not 93 million miles.

Easily debunked.....idiot! Go to a beach or flat horizon during sunset, watch it go below the horizon then proceed to stand on, say, 15 foot ladder, and BAM, the sun sets again for you. #roundearth

Seasons prove round. The suns movement proves round. Sunsets prove rounds this video is incest

so mister brilliance if the earth is a flat plate then tell me why EVERY other planetary body in our solar system (things that can be veiwed from your own backyard) are spheres and orbit the freaking sun or is the earth just that special that it doesnt have to follow and of the laws of physics wait dont answer that

0:30 - 1:10 Yes, yes, yes, oh god yes, yes!!

Why isn't flat science taught in schools? Is that fair that the government is biased towards curvy science? If the globe enthusiasts are so secure in their rounded fantasies then what do they sphere? I love my flat science.

FErs, always conveniently forgeting to use the solar filter. Get a clue, already.

Holy fuck. What special-Ed’s believe this moron?

Just a camera with a solar filter debunk your video. the Sun does not change in size even in a sunset. Therefore, it is not moving away, it is going behind the curvature of the earth

+If you laugh you sub! Nor it's angular velocity.

Correct. The suns angular size does not change at all.

Also if the earth were flat I would be able to use my VHF Ham radio to talk to Japan from California. But I can't because it's blocked by the curvature.

This flat earth idea is such a terrible waste of time. Let's learn more about the amazing gravity. It works everywhere, yet we can't really figure out why.

Hihihi, and no - Life is too short for that. Let us step onward instead of stopping every 5 minutes to convince those unconvincibles who never pay attention of allready thousend fold proven facts. Very nice pics... but weird funny interpretation, creative fiction, not anyhow substantial though.

Best vide so far abouth local sun...congrats...it is nail in coffin for globe earth ...its so simple...sheep or goat...see it or be blind ...may Lord God Father AlMighty bless you all so that you can see ❤

Another sheep that can't think for himself! Or get a globe a map & a bright light bulb & see that what he says is not only impossible its asinine! A true moron who just follows someone because you are rebellion against the government/science & main stream! The whole reason the sun bobs up/down in Alaska Is because we live on a sphere! If Earth were flat you would just see the Sun go around in a straight line. If Alaska were not centered on the Suns orbit, it would still go round in a straight line but get farther away & close again! Duh! But you ppl believe anything some idiot tells you!

excellent video!! thanks man!

what a crock of shit

What a dumb ass, you could at least come up with something original. Not just mimic every other mentally damaged Clown on YouTube. Nothing to see here folks, just another tragic waste of space

Hahahahaha... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... haha... HAHAHAHAhahahaha.... oh man... stop it, please.

You can tell this channel owner is a newbie flat earther because the video he is presenting above is just a mirror of an old P-BRANE flattard video which has been debunked so many times it isn't even funny anymore. Sorry NaTuber TV, what you have posted is pure regurgitated flat earth nonsense. https://youtu.be/W9ksbh88OJs?t=507 OR, it could be that this is a P-BRANE youtube channel and he is reposting his crap under another channel name.

Nah dawg, stop trying to corrupt dumb people's minds with your dumb videos. Its 2019 and round earthers won get over it.

It appears to be moving to the right because you're not directly under it. Again, you're deliberately lying

That's not perspective, you don't know what the f*** perspective is, flat tires never use perspective properly. You deliberately altered the focal length of the frame as of sun come up to make it flare, so don't give us this b******* you're a lying sack of s***

The Earth is flat just like your IQ dumbass

+Felipe Oyarzun no, I'm not. Just get a flash light & a globe

no....!!!!! you are WRONG....sorry, explanation of the video is correct

you are wright, very good observation!....any way we have to admit that the heliocentris cosmology is not working at all

A real idiot! Even if the Sun were real close (we would burn up!) it would be impossible for it not to illuminate the rest of Earth. Also it would be impossible for the "non illuminated areas" to be pitch dark like they are at night! Also, if the sun is a sphere, why is it so hard to believe that the Earth is not a sphere?

Nunya Business—you can continue to lie to yourself, but you can’t lie to the world. We are far more intelligent than you are clearly capable of being and you are a fool who lives a fool’s life. You are an embarrassment to the human species. You are the reason God Will no longer speak with us.

And yes. I understand that was a poorly used turn of phrase you chose to spew. Again you ppl are so butthurt. And the vitriol comes from you making their sciences your religion, and realizing how sad and pathetic it all is. I just hope you also see how deceptive it is. You know who I hope doesn't breed? Your pedophile, drug smuggling, genocidal, oligarchal, oppressive, land jobbing, manipulative, deceitful at every turn, politicians and families that run the whole matrix you have had the misfortune to ascribe to. Fact is. You're special. There is a God. And He actually Loves you. But you can continue to believe a world that tells you you ain't shit, and you evolved from shit. Besides their lack of evidence and many many many theories they need to make it sound even remotely plausible. Have a nice evening.

If your the genius deliberately spouting lies, then I am talking to you and you are no friend of God, for He is not a god that lies.

I hope you're not talking to me. Especially talking about Loving God. People really should watch how they speak to ppl. Never know who you may be speaking to. Even online.

But you're "good" because you accepted a belief without questioning it. Sure.

Yeah...nice CGI from CGI ISS

+If you laugh you sub! But it's on a curved path over a flat earth. On equinox, from the equator, we see the sun set due west. That means a straight line from the observer for the 6-12k miles to the terminator, directly under the sun. That doesn't; work for a flat Earth, obviously.

Because of rotation

+Essene Gnostic You say that you tend not to hypothesize , yet you refuse to accept hundred of years of accumulated scientific and navigation data simply because your eyes cannot see a curve? Do you understand that, on a globe as huge as the earth, the human vision is incapable of perceiving this curve? If you want to verify whether or not this curve really exist, use an instrument that we know is precise enough to measure it (like a theodolite) or simply install a theodolite application on your cell phone next time you take a commercial flight. At 32000 feet, the horizon visible outside the window will be about 3 degrees below what the theodolite application indicates as the horizontal plane. The correct reasoning is not to say: I can't see it therefore it doesn't exist. We know for a fact that, unless you are a few hundred kilometers above the earth, this curve is simply undetectable visually. Nobody can't see radio waves, so is this an indication that they do not exist? Of course not, we know that they do exist and how to detect and measure them, with the proper measurement instruments...

+Essene Gnostic You can see the sun rise and set bottom first every sunny day. I told you that, assuming the most popular FE model, this would be geometrically impossible. Do you then agree that this FE model is totally wrong?

+claudbase I tend not to hypothesize ....... The Earth is in fact observably flat, and there is absolutely zero physical evidence of an 8 inch per mile squared curvature. I tend to accept my own senses more than a freemason scientist.

junlinar padon The thing is that the Bible actually does not teach flat earth as most of these guys will want you to believe. Bible teaches spherical earth. The point of all of this is just another bone for people to chew on instead of thinking about their sins that separate them from God. Even christians get engulfed in this flat nonsense and fighting battles over it instead of fighting battles for gospel to be preached all over the world. So, so sad...

It's mentally retarded white trash nonsense lmao. Stupid people pretending to be intellectuals bahahahah

+Rare Portal ya, so he could have made this video with just 1 picture!

+Essene Gnostic " How can I possibly top your nonsensical comments !! :-D" You're dong fine. No principle outlined in this video works. Choose one and I'll explain. For starters, a close sun would have to obey conservation of angular momentum and so would speed up and slow down in relative angular terms to you. We see a CONSTANT motion. Also at 3-4000 miles high it wouldn't be able to illuminate clouds whilst you are in shadow at sunset or cast upwards shadows when you can see the sun lower than the clouds. Perspective can't do it, because the clouds are at a plane only a few miles high compared to your thousands. Skibas lens wont do it, because his fresnel lens refracts light UPWARDS when atmosphere refracts downwards. None of the sun models are illuminating HALF of your circle. Half of a circle isn't another circle, or an ellipse that magically stops shining at different distances as you see at 3:09 The list is endless. his video is a set of claims that cannot work.

+Nunya Business "Same way a ship does. Then it disappears. Then you get a bigger telescope. And it will come back. " Please: Show us a single video demonstrating a boat, clear half-obscured by a hard edged horizon being brought back into view by zooming alone. You obviously have many, or you wouldn't be making a claim for something you had never actually seen for yourself. - right? 10 seconds to find the link to destroy us and make yourself and the belief look noble, honest and knowledgable. I'm guaranteeing of you don' decide to ignore this, you will make excuses as to why you fail, or tell me to go find your evidence for you, etc. But you won't produce a suitable video: Watch

+Nunya Business "Dude. Address all POINTS. Not one golden goose laying egg you THINK you've found. " You don't get logic then? In formal science and other disciplines, we are FORCED to address single point of evidence because of their connotations. You can destroy an entire model using a SINGLE article of evidence. The Gish gallup, and act of trying to hide behind volumes of points is VERY well known to be a dumb and dishonest trick. " So why don't you focus on all the examples we gave that can?" Bring one up and personally argue it using evidence if you are confident of your understanding. If you need excuses as to why you won't... that will reveal that you cannot.

+Nunya Business "But but, there's no filter! They'll say. Lmao. Because filtering out light is good for any scientific experiment." Yeah, because CLARITY is bad, right? You're showing images of the sun with atmospheric glare, whilst trying to make a claim about the width of the edges of the sun. Then you're trying to defend the fact you can't see the edges you are making the claim about. Filters help remove glare. Now, have a think about why ZERO glare free, clear, measurable images of the sun are used by FEs.

+Essene Gnostic "It actually doesn't ......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzw1Ug4tOo8&t=375s" Yep. It does. The variation in your video is a few pixels. Maybe

it doesnt tho?

+Mary Samsonite what an offensive term. Ad hominems because of your ridiculous faulty system with more contradictions than a child molesting Catholic "priest" .

+Mary Samsonite SALAR DE UYUNI

Nunya Business there’s literally nothing any flattard that can’t be debunked. Irony is you calling anyone programmed.

+Space ain't fake if you wish. You still haven't addressed salar de uyuni. It shouldn't exist on a globe or ellupsoid. And key points of relatively, quantum mechanics, and laws of thermodynamics all greatly contradict each other. But that's fine as you stated, stick with that until actual science is revealed.

+Nunya Business Ahh mysterious woo magic that only the special few know about .. lol . thats ok .. when this incredible fact comes to light I will read up on it .. for now .. all the explanations and observations in astronomy and cosmology pretty much hang together . I will stick with those thanks ..

+Space ain't fake didn't see this one. Glad you admit you don't know what I'm talking about. I know you don't as not many do because it is one of the best kept secrets in astronomy. They know their whole model crumbles unless someone finds an answer for it. Which they won't because we are at the end now. No trap. I already gave you a hint. It's the real reason they decided there must me these things called dark matter and dark energy. Don't gloss over that. I will give you one last bigger hint. Why do they say the universe is expanding? The two are connected. I will not reveal it directly via this forum. Why I speak in vagueness.

+Space ain't fake SALAR DE UYUNI BEING

+David Phillips a sign is not the sun. If you walk down a long straight road and a person's legs go below the road from your perspective did a warlord cut them off? Either way. Your point is moot because you ALWAYS SEE A LOT MORE OF A LIGHTHOUSE OR ANY OBJECT THAN YOU SHOULD BASED ON THE CURVATURE. Putting a filter on a lense and Iooking at an object that produces light is not measuring it.

+Nunya Business confusing theory or belief with facts. The fact is the earth was measured thousands of years ago. This corresponds to the distance the daylight travels over time. Go one hour west and the sun comes up and goes down an hour later. The sun can be measured at any time throughout the day at any time it is the same size. Try that with any object where the distance changes and the relative size changes. From sun up to noon is 6000 miles. At 9:00 3000 miles the sun would be twice the size as 6:00. At 12:00 it would be four times the size of 6:00. A road sign can be measured at one mile. It appears twice the size at a half mile and four times the size at a quarter mile. The sun is the same size. The top of a ship, lighthouse, etc at sea can be seen behind the waters edge. Where is the rest of the water? Where is the rest of the lighthouse?

Yeah lol only possible on a spherical earth

Reading these comments is like reading the transcript from the Short Bus Debate Team versus normal people. GO Nunya! (Aw, come on, who doesn't like an underdog. Besides it's hilarious seeing him use big person words as if he understood the meanings.)

+Nunya Business just for you, because I know that you dont know how to conduct any single research correctly... https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6034/6312467703_e909f1aa40_b.jpg what we can see from a plane... where is the sun here? :) I know ... you'll refute this or change to another subject because you know you cant explain this. like you have not answer any of my question and point (what a surprise !!!)

+Nunya Business lol ok... you are confused becaudse you realize that you are 100% wrong in your thinking and statement. ok... this video... what do you see with rays of light through clouds? the position of the sun on 2 axis, missing the information for the 3rd dimension... so, we can see that the sun above the horizon is X, Y or Z, this depends the time of the day (what a surprise) but what about the 3rd dimension? mmm... to be able to get this 3rd dimension we have to see these rays from the top... like from planes... and wha are we seeing there? parallel rays ! holy c.... what? parallel rays? what's the point of convergence when 2 rays are parallels? far far away !!! so to resume: the sun appear above the horizon and far away in distance. is it what'S your expect?

+willgart why don't you first address the things in the actual video you chose to click and watch? You still haven't done that. And I addressed every question you asked me... Stumped you than you chose to ask me specifics about size and numbers like we're in a f'n science class. I am debating like 10 of you MFs at once right now you do realize? Alex Gleason's map is a good one to check out. Closer to reality than any globe you will find.

+Nunya Business you have addresseed nothing at all buddy. still waiting to know the altitude of the sun. still waiting for the size of the circular movement you talk about still waiting to know what we are supposed to see vs what we really see. for now you have answer nothing at all. so I supposed that you are disappointed by some simple facts. like... the apparent movement of the sun around you which is a movement working only with a spherical earth. I know, its hard to recognize this, but well... its the reality man.

+willgart SALAR DE UYUNI. I'VE ADDRESSED EVERY POINT YOU ALL HAVE MADE. ACCURATELY. YET NONE OF YOUR ARE ABLE TO ACCURATELY ADDRESS ANY POINT I'VE MADE. SO WE'LL START THERE. SALAR DE UYUNI

+Nunya Business lol and you are still unable to tell me where is the sun !!! and you think you can tell me what simple geometry is??? lol come on, another chance guy. where is the sun???? and the circular movement ???? center where during the equinox (to make it simple for you, as your knowledge of geometry is very limited) I have a hint for you.... at the equinox the sun travel EXACTLY 12h between sunrise and sunset. which mean your are seeing half of its travel in the sky... and another guy 6h from you will see it 12h too etc... so... this also means that if you follows the path of the sun in the sky with your hand and continue this circular movement YOU will be the center of this circular movement NOT the north pole, oups... a circular movement mean : circle, so if you continue the rotation following the path of the sun... and where it goes? mmm... on the other side of the spherical world... you said is correctly, its an apparent circular movement. but wait... I'm at the center too... everybody on earth will be the center of this movement ... at the same time??? how its possible ? what if... we are living on a spherical earth and its the earth which spin? let do validate this theory a second... hey... it works !!!! with a sun far away and a spinning earth, its working perfectly !!! what a chance !

+willgart Smh you still don't understand simple geometry, geodetics, and physics. You are picturing the land masses staying straight, and but curving also in an east to west orientation. It's why you have so many diff maps, and globes, that have incorrect sizes and shapes.

+Nunya Business yes I saw the sunset at the equinox, who never saw it? same things every day. the equinox is just a special case. if your question, did I get some picture of it using a camera, no. now I'm waiting to know the exact position of the sun, and if you'll persist with your circular stuff based on the north pole :-) I'll give you a simple experiment to do by yourself about this circular movement.

+Nunya Business ok... rollback guy. forgot the seasons. (and by the way, did you notice the sun is more in the south the rest of the year? ;) I'm talking about a single day sun movement. take the equinox day as a reference. where is the center of your circular movement of the sun? where the sunset and sunrise occurs? what'S the altitude of the sun? what's the distance travel by the sun? remember that at the equinox, everybody on earth see the sun rising east to west, and the sun takes 12h to travel in the sky.... so your circular movement as to works with everybody on earth.... finally... at the equator, the sun gos in a straight line , no curved movement at all... good luck! :-)

+claudbase also, I will ask you as I asked wilgart. Have you ever seen a sunset at the equinox? If not we can all wait until this fall and do it together. Set up equipment to see the sun's path. Can even give you live play by play as to how it works and explain to you what your are seeing. Also. SALAR DE UYUNI SHOULD NOT EXIST ON THEIR GLOBE/ ELLIPSOID MODEL.

+willgart and you never answered my question about ever actually watching a sunset at the equinox?

+claudbase A lot of you don't understand what North is on a circle I realize. You assume it goes "N" as it circles. It does not. Again E to W is counter clockwise and works globe or "flat" circle. By the time the sun is out of your sight the sun's light is going down. It's like walking in a circle. A lot of times if you did it without landmarks you would not even realize you did it. Why ppl get lost in the woods. Kind of like what happens to blindfolded ppl that end up walking in a circle or spirals but think they were going straight the whole time. If you followed the sun as it set you wouldn't realize you're going in a "circle" but you are. And that is what E to W is again whether globe or flat plane, it ends up being a curved circle.

+willgart what are you talking about the sun doesn't move north? That is literally what precession is. Sun above head solar noon at summer solstice at the tropic of cancer which is 23.4 degrees NORTH of the equator. Seriously, what are you talkin about friend?

+Nunya Business  Elevation angles and sun height assuming a flat Earth using data from timeandate. Pontianak Indonesia zero miles from equator. 90º sun angle. Minneapolis USA 44.9º * 69.16 =3105.28 miles from equator Solar noon at sep equinox sun is at: 45.1º Gives 3094.45 mile sun height Oulu Finland 65.01º * 69.16 = 4496.09 miles from equator Solar noon at sep equinox sun is at: 25.2º Gives 2115.69 mile sun height Hammerfest Norway 70.65º * 69.16 = 4886.15 miles from equator Solar noon at sep equinox sun is at: 19.3º Gives 1711.1 mile sun height Eureka Canada 79.98º * 69.16 = 5531.42 miles from equator Solar noon at sep equinox sun is at: 10.1º Gives 985.29 mile sun height

+Nunya Business Perspective has nothing to do with the cardinal direction. Once again, no matter how you try to redefine what is due east and due west, we all know that they are by definition in opposite direction. A the equinox, the sun rises and sets in exactly opposite direction anywhere on earth (due east and west respectively). This cannot append on a flat earth with a close sun rotating around the north pole.

+Nunya Business well... sorry, but no, the sun is NOT moving northward. I think I know your problem, you never travel to the south. so this summer, go in australia or south africa or south america. this will help you seeing by yourself what the rest of the world is seeing. you'll see by yourself that the sun is not moving north at all. did you ever see that the sun is not so at the north vs what you think it should be compared to your circular idea? do some thinking about this... where the sun is soppused to be va where the sun is in the reality... and try to match both things, without searching for complicated explanation, just common sense :)

+willgart and I was actually studying the rising and setting of the sun this past vernal equinox, I'm in US. It did what I expected it to. Again West is never a straight line because even a globe is curved. And the sun is constantly moving northward until the summer solstice even on the day of the equinox, but that's kind of a different story. Have you ever watched a sunset on an equinox?

+willgart if you are serious about this, this could be interesting. I will get back to you on that...

+Nunya Business except at the equator where W is a straight line... (true north used) and its why at the quinox the sun follows this straight line. the only time of the year when the earth is perfectly aligned with the sun. mm.... far away from a circular movement... so still waiting to know where is the center of the circle and the size... sorry, I dont put the right question, you mention that the center of the circle is the north (certainly the true one, not magnetic one) and the size of the circle and the altitude of the sun? because I want to call a friend wich is in australia and ask him if he can confirm the position of the sun vs what I'm seeing. so I want to know where we are suppose to look at for this. as your West is not our west, it will be hard ...

+willgart the center of the circle. Any circle is N. You are right. W is 90 from N. Last time I checked 90 degrees is not a straight line.

+Nunya Business ok, you switch from movement of the sun to the seasons, and still dont know where the west is. ok, 1 at a time. the sun movement, please explain to me excatly the movement of the sun today. its a circular movement, so, where is the center of this circle? what's the diameter of the circle? and what is the position of the sun vs this diameter? (altitude) then... we'll compare with the reality :) forget the seasons and direction for now. 1 small step...

+willgart smh. Again. Where you are wrong. You don't understand what E N S and W mean. Concentric throughout seasons as I gathered that's what you were asking since you kept referencing the equinox. I think you are confusing yourself. That or you have no idea the concept of geometry in a circle or flat plane. Why don't you do some studying of azimuthal maps or the one I already told you to look at.

+Nunya Business West on a circle ???? no a circle dont have a west concept. its a geographic concept not a geometry one. west indicates the direction at 90degrees from the north / south axis. the north / south axis is based on ever the magnetic axis or the true axis.

+Nunya Business what'S the relation between concentric circleS with circular movement? are you suggesting that the sun follows different circular movements at the same time ???? :-) or jumping from 1 circular movement to another one ? (from an outer circle to inner circle or opposite) did you need some help to know what a circular movement is??? by the way... what'S the size of your circle?

+claudbase nope not NW. You don't understand what due W is on a circle. Would look straight from your perspective.

+claudbase exactly. Due to the sun being directly overhead. Sun moves in concentric circles. Don't care about other's models. Most of them are also wrong. Look up Michael Gleason's. His is best that's released.

+willgart did you need some help as to understanding what concentric circles are?

blah blah blah But muh holy boook

+Ivan Perak The distance to the Moon is approximately 240k miles away... I have personally done the experiments that prove that distance... this distance is impossible on a FE... period. Thank you for playing!

+Ivan Perak Use MY brain when you pretend "We are under dome and waters are above and below dome" and how do you know that... oh right... you read it in a book... AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

+Ray Whitson asteroids from where?We are under dome and waters are above and below dome

+Ran Niz You're Welcome

Sacred texts is such a fucking retarded dumbass website. $100 dollars for a wooden flash drive filled with horse shit.

Agree...closed and reopened for goats( sleepers in satan hands)...i know what is going on and why they can not see flat earth... 2 Thessalonians 2:11  11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie That is allready in act

Moon has her own ligh

I love a good science comedy. Please produce more. Here is my favorite so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPz3yrXdj7g

or maybe your an idiot

Unknown if the earth is a ball, hollow, flat or a square, settling on a turtle, a tree, or something else. I know the Nasa ball didnt exist the way they shown us, knowing the NASA lies. Earth must not be flat — imagine she is much more bigger than you suspect, than there seems to be no curvature. Why are they hiding the Northpole! The whole Universum seems also to be a lie. Why? Only to gather all the money with amounts we not even can imagine? We are living in a Matrix, nothing is real. This Life is a scavenger Hunt, finding the lies to protect all Biological Life and mother Earth our HOME. Like children we know nothing about real Science, real Life, even our Home is a mystery. Restarting our brain and our Heart is the only way to discover the TRUTH. Thank you for sharing

You guys really are stupid.

Yup definitive PROOF. Also, there are only FOUR elements. The Easter Bunny is DEFINITELY coming in TWO days. And I had a bigfoot and Nessie over for dinner last night.

For your claims to be true, the Sun and Moon would have to change width drastically during the day, if they are close and small and moving across different parts of the sky. Metabunk made a .gif animation, simulating what it would look like. Since this is not what we observe, a good scientist abandons the Flat Earth theory _immediately_ . https://www.metabunk.org/an-easy-experiment-to-debunk-the-flat-earth-by-observing-the-size-of-the-sun.t7252/

I made it 14 minutes into the video and then had to stop. My brain started to trickle out of my left ear and I had to stop before I lost any more IQ points that I already had.

We live in a time that mothers dress their boys in drag , men think they are women and women think they are men and IDIOTS THINK THE EARTH IS FLAT ! Humanity is is a fast state of mental regression.

Some much effort put into this, why ??? Why do folks believe this stuff ??? whilst our masters fleece us, and sell our birthright in the name of the multiculturalist god

Fine, but the rich don't spend their day tormenting the 99%. If you have skills which are useful to one of them, they pay you, but otherwise they are not and should not be concerned with you.

Nope

Have you ever heard of a solar filter? No! then go buy one before you say the sun shrinks. The angular size of the sun stays the same for the whole day so completely debunking you your near sun nonsense. Also we all know that at any one time half the earth is in day light and half is night. How can that work on you model? Does the sun light just stop in mid air half way across the flat earth, and if that is the case why would'nt the people on the night side still see the light hanging in the air??????

You're serious aren't you?

what a muppet

Talking to flat earther, so all the 1960s and 1970s films of rockets going in to orbit and space are fake, flat earther, yes

We've had space rockets since 1948, and they took pictures of the Earth's curvature. 70 YEARS of photos and videos and livestreams from space saying it's round, by every country, versus Cletus Sisterbanger-Smith who is a devotee of the Reverend Billy Joe-Bob's Full Gospel Temple and Snake-Handling Arena located off the I-95 north of Armpit, Nebraska (go past the Chick-Fil-A and follow the signs) saying it's Flat, but he has no pix at all. Place your bets!

Prespective here matters and in mathematics. He has not provided any math to prove his examples. Yet the sun is round as is the moon as are other visible planets....so? What we are a mathematical anomaly? And you've provided no proof with your eagle example, meaningless.

Bam! Perspective! Even eagles seek higher ground when seeking prey. Your point? Does the rodent the

They will tell you a story of false equivalence about a pool table etc.  Learned by rote from the chief FE "thinkers". And you have to pretend we don't see weather systems, day night phases, moons etc like we have on earth on the other planets.

In Surat Al-Hijr: (And the earth extended it) He said: "When the Almighty said: (And the earth extended it), we spread it .. Shed any land ?? No .. Did not specify a specific land .. But said the land to launch .. That means that if you get to any place called land you see in front of you If you are in the South Pole or the Arctic, or in America, Europe, Africa or Asia, or in any part of the Earth, you can see it in front of you flat. This can only happen if it is The earth is spherical. If the earth is square, triangular, hexagonal, or any other geometric shape, you reach the edge. You do not see the ground in front of you, but you see the edge of the earth and then the space. But the only geometrical shape in which the earth can be stretched in every spot is the earth being spherical. Even if you start from any point on the surface of the globe and then you walk until you get back to the starting point, You will see it in front of you always flat .. And as long as that you do not walk in any spot on the ground, but you see it in front of you flat and so was the verse: (and the Earth extended) Some people understood it is flat and not spherical - End -

+Dracopol I never measured the sun's thickness in elementary particle school

Because the Flat Earth theory will immediately clash with the first elementary school science measurement project of measuring the Sun's thickness?

Because it is science fiction? Entertainment?

Metabunk made a .gif animation of how the Sun would change size, if Flat Earth were true. We don't see a change in the width of the Sun during the day. We don't see much change with the Moon either, there is a small change based on its known elliptical orbit and distances. https://www.metabunk.org/an-easy-experiment-to-debunk-the-flat-earth-by-observing-the-size-of-the-sun.t7252/

It's about them, not knowledge.

+Saul Goode "you ever notice how COMPLETELY UNRAVELED people become when the 'programming of the globe' (for however long they have been alive), comes into question?" You mean, not like the calm and collected way you guys respond to simple evidence you cannot refute? "It's CLEARLY not 25,000 miles in circumference, proven time and time again." Sure. You stating something means it's true! Just don't ever produce an evidence supported explanations for any of the claims, like Nunya. You don't think we know the equators length? That's hilarious. Show us one simple way its been "proven". "We all wake at our own pace. GOD bless you and yours. They will figure it out, eventually" You are too late to the party by over 2,300 years. We have been using the evidence and resulting calculative systems in navigation and now industry and aerospace. Your belief is simply a matter of you trying to ignore that evidence and using a group consensus to prop it up. BTW: The FASTEST way to fail, is to try to link FE to emotional appeals like the cowardly dross in your video. We can use simple observations to personally falsify flat Earth. Trying to distract by using snide accusations against people "them" who don't share the belief is a NEON giveaway showing you don't like to use the actual evidence... In fact those videos discredit FE faster than ANY other ones. Yep: EVEN Phuket Words stupidity. I just listed these for someone else: The sun's position moves at a constant angular rate from all vantages on earth. The sun's plane of rotation intersects the horizon depending upon latitude. It's observed going behind the true horizon and appearing from it at a time that matches the model's predictions. Shadows move upwards around you at sunset. You can't see the sun at night. The true horizon has an easily measured height proportional angular dip. Your excuses aren't good enough. You need to have supported explanations. Good luck.

The truth about you flatards is you know what you are preaching is total BS, but you revel in your own ignorance so vehemently you’re determined to prove yourself right even though you know you are wrong. You know well in fact that these conclusions you have discerned are nonsense based on 0 fact and logic and it directly insults everything civilized humanity has thrived to accomplish as a species. You, sir, are a troll and a coward spreading lies because you’re too ashamed to admit your own insecurities about your lack of understanding of applied science. You seek to undermine education and corrupt youthful minds with your own ignorance. You are a cancer with an agenda. You are a blight.

+Corion2121 You say NOTHING except throw insults and derogatory comments! And that's intelligence is it!

Mick Taylor... IT IS FLAT, MAN.  https://youtu.be/3EV38N5orxE

Nunya Business...you ever notice how COMPLETELY UNRAVELED people become when the 'programming of the globe' (for however long they have been alive), comes into question?  It's CLEARLY not 25,000 miles in circumference, proven time and time again.  We all wake at our own pace.  GOD bless you and yours.  They will figure it out, eventually. https://youtu.be/J35EKCu_Olw

+Corion2121 *yawn. Wake me up when you want to have an adult conversation instead of engaging in sophmoric ad hominems. "Flatard". Boy with insults like that it's no wonder you think we're orbiting the sun. *Facepalm.

You’re a flatard, therefore your judgment and logic is questionable.

+Nunya Business and you are one to talk when you are telling little children about this Flat Earth bulshit. Now that's f****** irony. You have a good f****** day

+Corion2121 Exactly, and if you know My God, I suggest you study His Word where He repeatedly Calls the erets FIXED AND IMMOVABLE. Unless you are one of those who in vain says that must mean in it's "orbit"?

Nunya All anyone needs to see is you fail to actually support your belief using real falsifiable evidence. Your observations aren't explanations. And whilst you scream about baby eating pedophiles AND tell people how angry they are (ROFL)... Because you think your belief is somehow relevant, you simply showcase your inability.

But FEs are "good" because they accepted a belief without questioning it.

Scientists from every nation are in agreement with it no matter what their religion is. Those measurements are the fact, not a Jesuit plot. Look at your ID card. The government doesn't put your religion on it, do they? No. And why not? Because in a Western democracy, the religion you're assigned at birth is absolutely UNIMPORTANT.

We see the light from the Andromeda Galaxy with the naked eye and that's 2.5 million light-years away. The Sun is a magnitude -27 star on the magnitude scale and that's super bright, blindingly so. If stars hundreds of light-years away haven't dimmed to nothing, why would the Sun? You have NO sense of measurements or reasoning. You toss out ad hoc excuses without examining their consequences. Don't science without a license.

+Ran Niz "continue the logic and that means at night time the whole sky should be white light from all the billions of stars. No black at all, well no where near the amount we see, if light does travel for ever." Light doesn't "fill" space. It needs a source or reflection. The distance of MOST stars is way further than the time it would take to reach us. "In your model the universe has to be infinite. You can't have it both ways. " Nope. Wrong again. Infinite things don't expand, because they are infinite.

+C00ltronix Oh, yes, how silly of me. I's so obvious. ;-D

+Gra Ra5 Wrong. On flat earth the sun is just a bulb. What you think a sun eclipse is? That's when they change the bulb, dummy.

+claudbase I don't really study any of the flat Earth models ......... I simply can observe on my own that there is absolutely no curvature, nor are there any actual photographs of the so called oblate spheroid.

+Dave Hart And, there in lies the problem, Dave, you clearly have have no trust in the educational system or the sciences. You need to experience everything first hand. How do we know that no human thought there may be a higher intelligence, other than themselves, somewhere in time. It sounds as if you need proof of everything before you believe, good luck.

Dave Hart "Nobody would ever think the world is round if never told by schools and authorities" The Greeks and undocumented others figured it out without ANY precision tools. You cannot navigate long distance without accounting for curvature. There are many simple observations you can make that all point to the geometrical truth. The sun's position moves at a constant angular rate from all vantages on earth. The sun's plane of rotation intersects the horizon depending upon latitude. It's observed going behind the true horizon and appearing from it at a time that matches the model's predictions. Shadows move upwards around you at sunset. You can't see the sun at night. The true horizon has an easily measured height proportional angular dip. ... ... An endless list. All measurable and supported by observation. All falsify the claims of flat Earth. Effortlessly. The usual set of whining protestations are never presented with real any evidence-supported arguments. Just claims and appeals that we "go research" or watch asinine videos with more circular claims to get lost in.

Dave Hart The fact you are this clueless about the method of examination we call science is shocking in an adult who can type. You understand we USE science, yes? And innovation or creation of new ideas and explanations is the mission goal, right? As it's a method for testing ideas, people are taught to test all propositions and use evidence for their conclusions. That means, someone using science MUST. understand WHY it is working to explain something. You simply cannot innovate using faith, trust nor belief in existing ideas. Science's use of evidence means even when we are told things, we can test them so they we have first hand personal VALIDATION of ideas as opposed to the use of trust. That's why we use science in industry. It works. You may describe your own understanding and the people around you, but you literally got it backwards with regards to people who actually use scientific understanding in their professions.

Nobody would ever think the world is round if never told by schools and authorities .. But then again, the word *GOD* also would not be in anyones mind had it not been put there by religious leaders ... *THE POINT IS* ... Everything is we know is just what is *Told* to us .. and not from direct first hand experience ... Most people would not like to admit it .. But 99% of our knowledge comes from somebody who *Said* something and not from what we have actually seen or experienced ... I don't think the world is flat, but it isn't what we were told .. *I truly believe there is a lie somewhere in the whole story* ... And until I get a space tour, I'll stand on that .. lol ..

+Essene Gnostic you just did!!!

+Essene Gnostic Sure. That's why when you are challenged to refute any item of simple evidence, you sit there gibbering promises instead of demonstrating your intellect. Totally convincing! You must be a total genius. Haha.

+Gra Ra5 "The Lady Doth Protest Too Much Methinks" .... :-D I could "skate circles around you" intellectually mate.

+Essene Gnostic Here's the image again of something "Observably flat", constituting the same level of proof as your claim. Don't forget other people can click it, and they get to see your ignorance of arguments: https://imgur.com/gallery/a5Iziy1

+Essene Gnostic "Flat Earth isn't a "belief", it is an observable fact," Don't like to read in case you learn something? I just told you an observation isn't an explanation. This is base logic, You need to try at least. "globe Earth on the other hand is a "belief" since there is no actual physical evidence of it." Your ignorance of evidence isn't important - it only tells us about your ignorance. Your inability to competently test evidence is a sad thing. Shadows cant raise UP objects during a sunset on a flat earth... EVERYTHING you see refutes FE. It's EFFORTLESS to refute it because its so stup!d. Your inability to address the simple geometrical and logical refutations in my post tell everyone about your belief. Saying stuff doesn't make it true, you're not a 14 year old child or cultist are you?  Haha. Really, you guys...

+Gra Ra5 Flat Earth isn't a "belief", it is an observable fact, globe Earth on the other hand is a "belief" since there is no actual physical evidence of it.

+Essene Gnostic "It's observably flat ...... what else do you require ? :-D" So is this: imgur.***com/gallery/a5Iziy1 Ah - so "I'm right so why do I need to have or demonstrate understanding"? That's so cute. That's why you guys aren't a part of our tech, science and advancement of human knowledge. You don't understand the normal responsibilities of thinkers to support their claims: Therefore the Earth is flat. Observations aren't explanation, Ess. My points are refutations of your belief. You can't refute them. Thats' FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT. I'm showing everyone who may read this that you have a belief you can't actually show real evidence for and you don't understand how. You simply make claims like your posts so far, and then evade when people challenge you - jus as we challenge ourselves in science. Your evidence is consistent with the sphere. Oops. It's not hard to understand - that's wha makes it so funny.

+Gra Ra5 It's observably flat ...... what else do you require ? :-D

+Essene Gnostic See, Ess. what people see repeatedly is you FE's inability to respond to simple evidence and arguments. All REAL knowledge and understanding of nature is a question of evidence, explanation and refutation. NOTIHNG else. Yet you insist you have a better idea of reality. That means FE is about you and nothing to do with understanding, or else you would be able to explain yourself. All you guys do is tell people to go look at other stuff when you're challenged. And that's Kinda sad. Who the hell believes anyone who can't explain simple stuff about their claimed field of understanding? Even YOU would laugh if it were about anything other than this FE excuse for selfish indulgence.

+Gra Ra5 LOL !!!!!!!!!

You have to avoid or ignore any experiment that might show proof of the globe. Look at Jeran, FEH, Knodel etc.

Nunya Business Holy fuck, do you twist words to fit your agenda. Just like all the flattards out there. You have a serious comprehension problem. You're giving the other morons who subscribe to this easily disproven flat idea even more to be laughed at about. Jesus Christ, it's scary my kids have to share the planet with you. I fear for their future.

Nunya Business "Wow. What you mean like water ALWAYS BEING FLAT AND STAYING LEVEL? What is your major malfunction soldier! Did you read that nonsense before you typed it?" Nope water isn't always flat and level, dumbas$. How flat are clouds? The tidal shape of the oceans? Waves? Water reacts to force. Durp. Do you ever actually look at things for yourself? "Boy what a brilliant piece of science and geography "due to closer average proximity to the land mass containing them" . LMAO. Yea you got me. I'm done. Anything for you all to escape reality. Wow. I mean wow" So, appeal to incredulity fallacy is the best you can ever do.? That's how you prop your crappy layman"s belief up? You think expressing ignorance makes it somehow important to other people? Poor little you. Try looking up geoidal separation, it's a scientific principle in geodesy. Geodetic surveyors measure the planet do we can use the data in industry and navigation etc Unlike you. The planet is natural and curvature varies. Shallow basin water has more of its mass closer to the attractive mass it's contained in than in deep water. This affects distribution shape. No need to cower behind your fear of learning all your life. It makes you look insane. Couldnt use any evidence to debunk the curvature image.? Couldn't find a video from Eric Dumbay or Skibatshit that would help you pretend you had an answer? Noted. So. Third respond to me and zero actual measurements. Like all your posts here. Just claim after claim... And a totally weak atrempt at a "gotcha", where you make a claim and then pretend other people need to disprove it. Lol.

+Nunya Business The Salar de Uyuni story was specifically debunked here: https://www.metabunk.org/salar-de-uyuni.t10004/

+Nunya Business You're talking nonsense. Every place curves if it is locally level, but local "down" varies slightly as you move somewhere else, all pointing to the center of the Earth and therefore going round. You are IGNORING everything else I said, and think that blurting a place-name in Spanish is some magic amulet that will somehow make you right about the _fundamental shape of the planet_ ? Are you nutso? What about 70 years of photos showing its round versus NO photos from you proving it's Flat? Not only do you have no evidence, ANY Flat Earther story was amply debunked in the past: http://flatearthdeception.com https://www.metabunk.org/forums/Flat-Earth/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgY8zNZ35uw http://flatearthlunacy.com https://www.metabunk.org/an-easy-experiment-to-debunk-the-flat-earth-by-observing-the-size-of-the-sun.t7252/

+Gra Ra5 "salt flats can be flatter than the geoid as can shallow shallow basin water due to closer average proximity to the land mass containing them" . Wow. What you mean like water ALWAYS BEING FLAT AND STAYING LEVEL? What is your major malfunction soldier! Did you read that nonsense before you typed it? Boy what a brilliant piece of science and geography "due to closer average proximity to the land mass containing them" . LMAO. Yea you got me. I'm done. Anything for you all to escape reality. Wow. I mean wow.

Nunya Business "What picture did you post friend?" This is the internet. Try clicking in it. "Show me one picture of " What part of me telling you to support your claim didn't you understand? "what are you talking about dude? The stated circumference at the equator is 24901 mi, polar 24860 mi. Salar de uyuni is 4086 sq mi AND FLAT. Don't even draw me, draw yourself a model to scale of how that works. And when your done embarrassing yourself trying to do that, you can come back and apologize" Show me your measurements and your source. Don't you read well or something?

+Gra Ra5 what are you talking about dude? The stated circumference at the equator is 24901 mi, polar 24860 mi. Salar de uyuni is 4086 sq mi AND FLAT. Don't even draw me, draw yourself a model to scale of how that works. And when your done embarrassing yourself trying to do that, you can come back and apologize.

+Gra Ra5 Cletus. Lmao. What picture did you post friend? Show me one picture of Salar De Uyuni curving and not flat. Math of it. Anything. Anywhere. I will gladly look up any nonsensical theory you try to explain your non working model with which with I am not already familiar.

Nunya Business "No you don't change the subject." You are the one deflecting from the angular size of the sun. That's so obvious, your intellectual competence must be brought into question. "You just told a lie you naughty little boy." The fact you're calling people liars without establishing your points is making you look like a dishonest coward. "SALAR DE UYUNI DOES NOT CURVE. AT ALL." Here are your problems. You don't have ANY measurements. The people who do have measurements, show us curvature. Salt flats can be flatter than the geoid, as can shallow basin water due to closer average proximity to the land mass containing them. "So again explain that to me. Show me ANY remotely solid evidence of it curving. Or go way from me den boy" You now seem mentally ill. YOU are making a claim about something and demanding other people prove you wrong. So yes - "intellectual coward" seems to be accurate. If I was trying to claim knowledge and stated: "The moon is made of cheese, prove me wrong" anyone with a functioning brain would dismiss me as an critically incompetent as$hole. Can you really not understand why? Why don't you continue by dropping the cowardly liar accusations and actually presenting your first item of supporting evidence like an adult, little whiny guy?

Nunya Read about Poe's law. And your appeal is pretty stup!d as you are obviously indeed trying to discredit the use of filters. "The horizon never curves downward" Once more: barrel distortion will raise the outer ends of any line UNDER the focal center of a lens and it will lower the ends of lines running above it. It's simple. If you get a flat line below the center, then it was convex to begin with. Do you need me to go and find the shots for you? And don't call people liars when you have no supported refutation, Cletus. It makes you look ridiculous. Yep, you can say the name of a salt flat whilst having no falsifiable evidence to reject the image of curvature of a salt flat I posted. You're a hero.

+Dracopol No you don't change the subject. You just told a lie you naughty little boy. SALAR DE UYUNI DOES NOT CURVE. AT ALL. So again explain that to me. Show me ANY remotely solid evidence of it curving. Or go way from me den boy.

+Nunya Business How does a salt flat disprove the round Earth? Each part of the salt flat is flat compared to local down, but collectively it curves like the Earth. Don't change the subject. Why is the Sun the same thickness all day, contrary to Flat Earth theory? Why does it rise in the East for everyone in the world at the dates of the Spring and fall equinoxes, regardless of their latitude? Why does a swinging heavy pendulum change the angle of its swing at a rate of 15° x sin L where L is your latitude? None of this should happen on a flat Earth.

+Dracopol sigh. None of that is true. And you are right about kooks. That being said the subject of conversation at hand is THE EARTH. So why do you keep talking about the sun? You do realize that is astronomy and not geodetics, geometrics, or geography right? Lmao. Boy you all show more and more the failure of their lying "education" systems. Could it possibly be you're trying to avoid SALAR DE UYUNI? Again, being that the subject actually is THE EARTH and you want to be a smart ass I won't even address any of that nonsense or wrong numbers you stated about ASTRONOMY. Again ON EARTH. Explain SALAR DE UYUNI.

+Mary Samsonite LMAO. So let me get this straight. Your evidence of it existing on a globe. Is it existing in a globe. Boy that is heliocentric ellipsoid logic for you. And in classical " globe earther" fashion ends with a supercilious ad hominem "please don't have kids". Lol. Sigh. Boy this is almost getting boring. ALMOST. You see sweetie, the problem is salt flats that large shouldn't be on your precious globe based on the simple math. So again, SALAR DE UYUNI, any takers?

+Nunya Business The mark of a kook is to dissemble into other issues when we were supposed to be discussing the Sun in the sky. If Flat Earth were true, the Sun would be 7 times as wide when observed directly overhead (3,000 miles?) as when it is at its furthest: from the South Pole...er, sorry, I mean the invisible Antarctic Ice Wall...to the Sun on the Tropic of Capricorn (Southern summer) at midnight on the opposite side of the disk is over 20,000 miles away. But we just don't see that, do we? So we must abandon Flat Earth ideas _immediately_ . Only round Earth and Heliocentrism gives consistent angles, widths and distances to all astronomical bodies at all times. https://www.metabunk.org/an-easy-experiment-to-debunk-the-flat-earth-by-observing-the-size-of-the-sun.t7252/

Nunya Business there’s no ad hominem. You’ll learn what that means in high school. I stated a simple fact—that every piece of flat earth “evidence” has been debunked, and all evidence supporting the globe can and has been repeatedly demonstrated and measured. There’s no reason why a salt flat cannot exist on the globe. As evident by it existing on a globe. Please have no kids.

https://www.metabunk.org/an-easy-experiment-to-debunk-the-flat-earth-by-observing-the-size-of-the-sun.t7252/

+Gra Ra5 Missed this one. The filter and magic was clearly facetiousness as you'll see when you read my other posts in regards to that. And that's a lie. The horizon never curves downward. And there is no curvature. Boy speaking of elephants in the room. SALAR DE UYUNI.

+Nunya Business "they are talking about with one of their magic filters," Look, appealing that a simple band-limiting filter is magic doesn't;t cast you in a very intelligent light. Children understand what a filter is. " Rare. Kind of like the magic fish eye that creates curvature on an always flat horizon." Nope, Its pretty much never flat in high altitude images. And if the flatness is "below" the focal center of the Lens, that means the edge were bent upwards from an original shape. Otherwise your VAST elephant in the room is that the model itself predicts that you won't perceive a 0.02º dip at the edges of a 60º view angle. You will need something that ISN'T predicted and calculated by the model - or else you are simple confirming it in front of everyone.

+Nunya Business "I don't ignore anything friend, unlike the heliocentric model does." The one that successfully predicts ALL moon and aspect of the solar system using one cohesive model, whilst you don't have one? Hmmm. he same cohesive model that use in industry, design, construction, aerospace.......... "I will do you even one better. Will post for ya some videos of you seeing things you shouldn't below the curvature. Although I do see why others get frustrated and say "do your own research!". You lot are ANNOYING lol." No you won't. Well in that case. Maybe you will be the first one here to address a SINGLE POINT I've been bringing up since what feels like antiquity. SALAR DE UYUNI. Or you gonna change the subject now like all the rest of em? You can check the thread and see if I'm lying. Literally have been addressing everything that I can at the moment, and haven't gotten one single honest or logical response to that ONE SINGLE POINT since. Also many other points I've brought up but we can start with that ONE." Most likely, you don't understand how to frame your argument using actual falsifiable evidence. It's a salt flat. Like this one: c1.staticflickr.***com/8/7199/6780533836_71e0f564cf_b.jpg "My point is. You are assuming reducing glare gives you a better understanding of the nature of the sun." No. I KNOW that filtering glare allows us to see and measure the edges of the sun. "You do not know that for you do not know the nature of the sun." The argument is about geometrical LAW. We can make logical proposals about geometry according to the evidence we use for ALL other aspects of nature. Your fallacy is called appeal to ignorance. Unless you have evidence for wha the sun is, or why it should violate physics, or the fact that ALL other descriptive science form multiple fields corroborate our understanding - you have not produced a sound logical appeal. "Name anything else you put a filter on before measuring?" Light, sound, radar, audio samples/PCM, MRI, CAT, PET, Electron microscope samples, seismic impulses, your eyeball's view of light... Pretty much everything you perceive is band-limited in some way and limited so as to be meaningful. "I mean the sun is a light source?" Yep. It makes shadows. I has quantifiable luminescence. Do you understand what you are saying? Do you understand what an appeal to ignorance fallacy is? "You don't know how that may affect the filter." Look, don't speak for people who's technology and methods you cannot explain for yourself. Yep, we do. We also have decades worth of ever more accurate spectral analysis of all significant points of light in the visible sky. A few tens of thousands of professionals and amateur astronomers, meany with decades of experience have studied this and developed predictive theory that we can use. Do you have any understanding we can use for anything? That's one of the main definitions of real science. "Have you tried looking at other moving points of light with a filter for comparison?" Yes. Have you? "Or are you simply assuming what you should see when looking at the sun with a filter?" Edges. That's all. The things that you cannot detect without a filer, that we use to measure an angular diameter.

+Rare Portal they are talking about with one of their magic filters, Rare. Kind of like the magic fish eye that creates curvature on an always flat horizon.

+Gra Ra5 My point is. You are assuming reducing glare gives you a better understanding of the nature of the sun. You do not know that for you do not know the nature of the sun. Name anything else you put a filter on before measuring? I mean the sun is a light source? You don't know how that may affect the filter. Have you tried looking at other moving points of light with a filter for comparison? Or are you simply assuming what you should see when looking at the sun with a filter?

+Gra Ra5 Well in that case. Maybe you will be the first one here to address a SINGLE POINT I've been bringing up since what feels like antiquity. SALAR DE UYUNI. Or you gonna change the subject now like all the rest of em? You can check the thread and see if I'm lying. Literally have been addressing everything that I can at the moment, and haven't gotten one single honest or logical response to that ONE SINGLE POINT since. Also many other points I've brought up but we can start with that ONE.

+Gra Ra5 I don't ignore anything friend, unlike the heliocentric model does. I will do you even one better. Will post for ya some videos of you seeing things you shouldn't below the curvature. Although I do see why others get frustrated and say "do your own research!". You lot are ANNOYING lol.

+Essene Gnostic "You do understand that the sun is in fact magnified over distances as a result of particles in the air ....... don't you ? ........ good lord !!" A claim? But unsupported? So, why not show us how particles can magnify things as in - like a single lens. And please show us how this lens happens to be in between each of us and the sun at all times - because you know lenses have a single focal point, right? Use the science or a practical demonstration. Don't just post someone else links without understanding how to explain. Im asking you for a short, concise personal explanation. Don't worry. If you cannot because you don; know how you can just make some excuse.

+Essene Gnostic "You do understand that the sun is in fact magnified over distances as a result of particles in the air ....... don't you ? ........ good lord !!" So, why not show us how particles can magnify things as in - like a single lens. And please show us how this lens happens to be in between each of us and the sun at all times - because you know lenses have a single focal point, right? Use the science or a practical demonstration.

Aw come on. The short bus is leaving Nunya. You can claim your victory on the bus; while everyone else laughs at you, feels sorry for you, or both. You need something more suitable to your intellect, like trying to get the square shapes in the square holes, the round shapes in the round holes, etc.

+Colin Parkinson LMAO. You sound like a girl with a flat ass saying it's not flat it's perpendicular to gravity. There is no such thing as gravity. That is easily proven when one actually understands physics. You can't pretend something that has no curvature isn't flat it's just perpendicular to gravity. What you said makes no sense and I think you know it. Just sit back and read your comment again slowly. You may start laughing. If not try to put that nonsense you just said in an equation using 9.8 m/s 2 you should really start laughing then. Again. Salar. De Uyuni. None of you can give one ans that makes sense. And if you want to talk about the sun why don't you first address what this video shows as in the light of the sun setting not with the whole horizon but following the small ball of/ bean if the sun itself.

+Nunya Business level means perpendicular to the force of gravity. As the earth is a sphere the level water also follows the curve. Flat does not equal level. Please do some basic research, you are making a fool of your self.

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