CRT PC Monitors in 2019 - Ancient Trash or Display Treasure?
Every time I see, advertisements. And new videos about new computer, monitors I have to chuckle the, past three to four years have seen high refresh rate and higher than 1080p resolution. Monitors flood the, market 75. Hertz 120. Hertz 144, Hertz 1440p. 4k, as a pixel junkie I'm certainly not going to complain about more frames or pixels but, most of these monitors are so boring we, spent 10 to 15 years with flat panel LCD monitors. Being far inferior, to their CRT, ancestors, that I find it hard. To be excited, for this modern technology to catch up I'm Evils Vox and welcome back to box talks Tech I'm a huge tech head but I still prefer those, old tube monitors, that people are think are just garbage or ancient relics in this, video we'll be deep diving into why you should or shouldn't, buy an old CRT monitor, in 2018. Get those cathodes, warming up and let's go. The. Mod mic Wireless, can boldly, go where no mic, has, gone before. This microphone, can attach to any headphones. Requires, no, additional wires features. Very low latency a dual capsule, microphone 12, hour battery, life and LED, indicators, on the receiver so you know when you're muted and or when the battery is running low and you can basically run your entire house without ever losing a signal what, more could you ask for learn, more by clicking the link in the video description. This. Video is gonna go deep and there will be quite a bit of little technical, details but the important part is the fun, exploring, old technology, high refresh and frame rates crazy, resolutions. Awesome. Looking screens the early 2000s, was a much, cooler, time for, tech than today in some ways and hopefully. That shows here before, we get too technical or complicated, I want to mention that PC CRT monitors are not the same as CRT. TVs that, you may have played your old Nintendo, or PlayStation, on without. Specialized. Signal, conversion which we, will cover later in the video most. PC, CRT, monitors cannot, view signals from composite, or the old RCA, cables, and your old video game consoles, if you're, just looking to get a more authentic retro, games experience, or fix you'll, likely want to pick up an old CRT TV. I posted, a full video about that experience last year which you can check out in the link in the video description. Let's. Get vocab, in history out of the way first, CRT. Means cathode, ray tube and, the displays, work by shooting electrons, from a cathode, in the back of the box to, the front this, is very different. Than how modern LCD. And LED, screens, work, CRT. Monitors, are big bulky. Heavy and don't support modern video connections, so they're useless. Right well, that, common perception, is only partially, true they, do take up them quite a bit more room than flat screens but they aren't always huge CRT. Monitors, do have to fit on a desk or at least a desk from the 90s, and early 2000s, after all CRTs. Are available in a plethora of sizes, colors and even shapes there's, certainly a lot more personality. To CRTs, than the flat black does of just about every modern screen and not, all CRTs, have bubbled, out screens that are so prone to glares there, are a variety of flat screen models out there as well CRT monitors with a flat Trinitron, screen are highly. Sought after by enthusiasts. Unlike. Their TV counterparts, PC CRTs, haven't had anywhere near as much of a resurgence, in popularity for, retro, gaming mainly. Because people consider, retro gaming to be just about old consoles, and a, lot of progress has been made to keep old PC games playable, such, as all of the efforts made by gog.com. It's. A site that sells new games but also does a ton of legwork, to make old games playable, on modern, hardware and even includes digital versions, of the original goodies, included, with the games and I'd also recommend no, clips documentary, on their, work linked, in the description. But. PCC, Artie's still have redeeming, qualities that make them fun for enthusiasts, and just for those of us who prefer CR T's to LCDs in general and it naturally makes sense to extend that to computer, use as well there's.
A Few generalized reasons, that people prefer CRT. Monitors, over LCDs. Nostalgia. Of proper compatibility, with older pcs, and older games input. Latency refresh. Rate and resolution flexibility. And perceived. Color depth or dynamic, range. Technically. Normal, LCD, or LED monitors. And CRT, monitors, have the same dynamic. Range this, is referred to as standard. Dynamic range or SDR. A light, variance measurement, or maximum, luminance, of 100. Nits this, has been the standard for a very long time as it was based on the limits of CRT. Technology only. Recently, are we seeing a change to this with HDR, technology, for new screens the, issue here, is in, how different types of screens actually display, light, despite. Having the same measured, dynamic, range CRTs. And plasma, TVs actually, appear to the eye to, be better in this regard, some, often, refer to this as the CRTs, image having more, color depth blacks, are deeper White's are brighter colors, pop more LCDs. More often look flat due to the back Lighting's inability, to vary brightness, enough or on, a per pixel basics, like OLED, and just, can't go to pure black in the first place this, is even better when combined, with house CRT, monitors, handle, sharpness, unlike. CRT, TVs, that have a small number of vertical lines and can usually only, accept up to 240 or 480i signals by and noisy analog, connections, CRT. Monitors are pure, RGB. Via, the HD 15, or de 15, connector, also known as the VGA connector, by most normal. People on rare, occasions, a CRT monitor will have a different, connectors such as the BNC RGB. HV connections, on this impression 200, V X monitor I have but, it's, all meant for the same signals some of the more exotic older, 3d and CAD workstations, had bigger connectors, like this weird 13, w 3 here but these aren't common finds from consumer, sets this. Expensive, gateway I have has to VGA, inputs and a USB hub crazy, stuff but, this thing was 1,000, bucks in the year 2000. Too, bad it's dying and won't be usable. This. Means the monitor has a much cleaner, image connection, than your old TVs hooked up to your old game systems plus CRTs. Don't have a fixed, resolution in. The first place depending. On the maximum, horizontal refresh. Rate and the video bandwidth, or pixel. Clock of the monitor a CRT, monitor can display resolutions, from 640. By 480 up, to a phenomenal, 2048, by 1536, my. Main CRT, monitors with a 96, kilohertz max horizontal, rates can go up to 1600, by 1200 resolution, at 80 Hertz but, this broken gateway monitor with a 121. Kilohertz max rate can do 1,800, by 1440. At 80 Hertz that's, essentially the four by three aspect ratio, of 1440p, at 80 Hertz from the year 2000, this, is starting to show why newer screen tech hasn't impressed me that much they were we, were doing all of this 20 years ago hell, a commonly, shared article, when people first get into PC CRT monitors is this, one showing that John Carmack was developing, quake on a 28, inch 1080p. CRT, monitor back in 1995. Unlike. LCDs, however, CRTs. Generally, remain sharp at non-native. Resolutions. LCDs. Need to use the monitor, scaler to scale up a lower resolution signal. To the monitors actual, display resolution, which, results, in the image looking a lot softer than it should and potentially. Adding input, lag it, usually just looks, plain bad especially, if you're not using proper integer. Scaled resolutions, to your monitors native resolution, however, CRTs. Are pretty sharp through most resolutions. Sometimes. Some of the higher resolutions, aren't as sharp as, lower resolutions. Due to how some of the tubes work but, for most usable, resolutions. Generally. They're sharp no matter what you're throwing at them this. Era of PC gaming was so much better because of this you could run 60fps, slower detailed, games at crazy high resolutions, then drop, down to 102 4 by 768 or 1280, by 960 and how your refresh rate for some stuff and down, to 640 by 480 for, older dos games and your, image will look amazing through, and through on an, LCD it's. Generally, safer to down your in-game detail, than to lower the display resolution though, some newer games are finally, releasing with separate render resolution functionality. To help combat this and all, of this is delivered, with no inherent, added input latency no perceivable. Lag this, is still mostly, analog, versus, digital only, on LCDs, and LEDs, Digital, equals processing, time equals input delay it's, always there even if it's low enough that you can't detect it however, generally, speaking analog. Means no input, lag it's, not quite, that simple, I know but it's a good rule to keep in mind granted, if you're using a PC CRT, with a video converter of some kind there might technically, be some, added delay from that process though good.
Ones Would add a max of one, frames worth of lag or, delay to, the stream just. Like with CRT TVs, PC, CRT monitors, have no latency, which is hugely important, for many gaming enthusiasts, heck, for a long time counter-strike, competitive, players still, preferred using crts for the high refresh rates and no latency up until very recently. While. Old games themselves are being adapted via their various communities, to run on modern versions, of Windows if you still want to use your old childhood, windows 98 machine or build a dedicated, Windows, XP machine generally, that's only going to output VGA you, can get conversions, to up convert that to HDMI, and in many, cases that's fine but these same games on a CRT don't. Always look so on on an LCD some, people just want the pure authentic experience. Alternatively. Some people want to use their CRTs, on modern machines basic. DisplayPort, or HDMI, to VGA adapters. Are all right for a basic, setup but, they will add a tiny bit of input lag in some cases and they are very limited in terms of what resolution, and refresh rate combinations, they can support most. Are using old HDMI, and DisplayPort specifications. And raw, VGA, to VGA analog, actually supported, a lot more bandwidth than early HDMI, and DisplayPort conversions. If you want something truly capable of this kind of conversion look, to the HD, fury devices, they produce HDMI, devices that can do virtually anything including. Low lag high, bandwidth, signal conversion, this, isn't a problem if you have a graphics card with the analog, pins still, in the DVI connector, these are the four pins and square around the horizontal, big pin this, is referred to as a DVI, connector. With both analog, and digital pins. And the, last GPUs, to be produced with the analog pins still included, or the nvidia gtx 980ti. And the AMD radeon r9 380. X then. You can use a native analog, DVI to vga adapter and, have access to your monitors full capabilities. Maybe, try out the custom resolution, software - if needed side. Note the Xbox 360, actually had a specific VGA, cable, sewed alongside, it to allow users who only had access to VGA, and CRT, monitors to play the system which, can make for an interesting experience, most.
CRT, Monitors, are a four by three aspect. Ratio wider, aspect ratios did not become mainstream until a while after, LCDs, took over but, there are a couple options you could try to hunt down some of the Silicon Graphics widescreen, models of the late 90s like what Carmack used so good. Luck they are incredibly, rare but there's, also the holy grail sony fw, 900, and w, 916, buy 10 widescreen, CRT. It's, 24, inches probably weighs as much as I do and is highly sought after by many enthusiasts, myself. Included been, hunting for one for two years now I think and no real leads locally, and they're. Expensive a lot of the more exotic monitors. Like the 1995. 1080p, one are old CAD 3d, design monitors, from the 90s which have no, on-screen, display or on-screen, OSD, controls and they, have to be adjusted by specialized, software which can be quite the hassle to find and track down and use later. Ones are fine to work with however most. Of the CRTs, I have can even run 720p. That's 1280, by 720 at a hundred twenty Hertz which is awesome, and if you use custom resolution, tools to run interlaced, modes which it's, still a CRT so you won't see interlaced lines you. Can frequently double, the refresh rate making it feel quite a bit snappier. But. Choose wisely as things are not all sunshine. And rainbows on the CRT front. Unfortunately. Without the original manual it can be hard to find the specs of specific, CRT monitors, i've been, lucky that a lot of the ones i've looked at have had some specs listed, on CNET I hope, someone has archived to their CRT pages I'll be sad when they go down there. You can sometimes find the max bandwidth, and horizontal, rate to see what resolutions, and refresh rates are supported, they. Are not always a hundred percent accurate but good, for getting a glances, info, at the monitor if you can't find anything else other, times like with this impression 200, B X that I have there's, not an ounce of information, available by googling I have not found anything, the. Size and weight can be a big deal but it may not sound like it but it really is once, you start getting to the 20 plus inch size range these things can weigh up to ath pounds in some cases and spino means evenly distributed, weight it's all in the front this, 21 inch impression, monitor was almost, 70, pounds as as this big gateway while, CRTs were built to last the components, do die eventually and there's not many repair shops left that will touch them and it's very dangerous. To open them up yourself and work on them the voltages, running through there would put more than a little sizzle in your step I haven't, found anywhere local that to me that will touch them which has been quite frustrating, a lot, of these monitors, were the ugly beige or white which, can yellow over time some, retro Brite can take care of this but it is extra, work this. Gateway VX, 1120, that i got for free is a very high-end, monitor, with a maximum, horizontal, refresh, rate of 121, kilohertz but, it's very worn and dying the screen is incredibly, dark and almost unusable I can try to open it up and adjust the dial to brighten it more but, they met that may not fix the issue and then it wouldn't be permanent, and now it's up to me to safely dispose of this, 72 pound beast and burnin. Is an, issue if you find some that we're in offices, or healthcare spaces, where the same screen had been pulled up for years on end you'll, have burnin, such as what's seen on this IBM which, isn't really fixable, if it's light such as on the screen here you won't notice it much in-game but, it cannot be obvious, on scenes a pure dark or solid, color background or, something like that thankfully. Most PC, CRT, monitors do degauss, themselves, upon starting up but you also have a built-in digas tool in the OSD menu so, so, there's no need for a wand or coil if you somehow develop issues which require that specific, fix. Sometimes. You'll find one and someone has chopped off the VGA connector, to recycle, the copper a lot, of CRTs, did not have detachable, VGA cables, so good luck soldering, a new one on to that mess. And if. You bite off more than you can chew with the giant CRT it's not something you can easily get rid of either there's, the issue of physically, moving it sure but it's not something you can just dispose. Of you, should never put electronics, in the trash but, rather send them to recycling, centers or send, in programs, such as through staples but. It's actually illegal to put CRT, monitors, in the trash or CRT, TVs they are dangerous to waste employees, and to, the environment some. Cities have recycling, centers you can drop them off at but in locations. Are actually nothing but a stockpile, of these in a warehouse as they have been, completely, unable to keep up with the, disassembly, process in the massive, basically.
Disposal. Of everyone's CRTs, if, you do need to get rid of one I highly request that you start with Craigslist local, Facebook seller groups let, go and offer up don't, expect to get much money for them but to list it for free and someone will take it or put it on the edge of your yard near the street with a free sign on it and Pickers will likely grab it. Some. People can see the actual image flicker or refresh, on a CRT monitor at 60, Hertz this, is usually resolved, by going literally, any higher than 60 Hertz but, it is something I see sometimes and it's definitely there this can lead to users, getting headaches from CRT, usage which can, really suck I did. Mention that they're not compatible with your old game consoles, there are some fancy multi, sync monitors, that can do both such as from NEC but, these aren't common instead. You would have to use an upscale ER or a line, doubler such as the open source scan converter, or retro. Tank to make this happen I love. Doing, this I have this running in my retro game room running, my older consoles, through the OS SC line doubler means that I get sharper, retro games blown up on my nicer looking PC CRT monitor and it's, still nearly lag free I run, the systems into their appropriate switches, for either four-component RGB, via scart or vga for the Dreamcast and then, into the OS SC then, I take the OS SCS HDMI, output and run it through the HD, fury nano, GX, to, fit it to VGA and we're, good to go this, monitor can handle all of the full scaling, modes of the OSS see even, 5 times from 240p. It's, awesome gamecube, bye component cables in the 480p to x-mode is amazing. But this, is a complex, setup and it gets quite pricey so it's certainly not for everyone. For. Systems that already output, 480p, but through component, ypbpr, cables. You can just get transcoders, that converts the signal without adding, any lag just, be careful not to get one that tries to scale the signal you don't want a scaler just a transcoder, check. Out key digital for some of those so how to try, to have a couple examples linked.
In The description. If. You want to buy a CRT, monitor look local, Facebook market place our local Facebook groups Craigslist, let go offer up driving. Around neighborhoods, avoid. EBay, everything, is price gouged to take advantage, of those wanting to get into retro gaming and shipping these things is usually, a death sentence I actually bought two of these impression, 200 V X to go together but one guy killed in shipping it was sad, this is incredibly common press f to pay respects, keep. Checking regularly I have found the ones I have by creating a custom Craigslist, search as a bookmark interest, checking it weekly sometimes, new things pop up most, people don't even want money for these in fact some even offer money to have them taken away from their house I can't. Make the choice of picking up a CRT for, you it can be an easy decision Oh pick up this old little monitor and enjoy peak display, experience, or it can be a super. Involved. Process. Depending, on how you want to approach it yeah. I, can't, in good faith blindly, just say yeah go buy one but I do think it can be a good experience for many with an open mind I started, with a small IBM. With burnin from a buddy and now, have five CRT. Monitors in my apartment, as well as a few CRT TVs. Yeah. There, are options available to you factors, to consider use, cases to really evaluate and, risks, involved but a CRT computer monitor, can be an amazing gaming and overall. Experience if you, want to get serious about CRTs. Consider, joining a Facebook group that I'm a part of called the CRT, collective, linked in the description and we, also have a PC CRT group branched, off of it I am. A postbox and thanks, for listening to Vox talks tech I hope you enjoyed this fun video, it's I know means a complete guide but it should be. Enough to get. You started down the rabbit hole should you desire hit, the like button if you enjoyed the video subscribe for. More awesome tech, content, and random, deep, dives into topics that I care about into nostalgic, tech and things like that and consider. Joining our inner circle of patreon subscribers where, you can get early access to videos behind the scenes q, and A's special, roles on our discord server and more, I'll. See you in the next one.
2018-12-30 05:43
Please don't do [thing] in 2019 until it's *actually* 2019. Some others have done it too and it seems a bit hasty.
The biggest pro when it comes to completely repairing CRTs is that you can still easily find parts to completely repair CRT, no such things completely exist with flatscreens.
Crts are still the best i think, got sony pvm 1942q amazing for my retro games and also got a 27 sony trinitron kv i think with components and s video ports it has great picture and sound
Lol I knew as soon as you said "CRT TV" that it was gonna be cathode ray tubes... XD
Had an NEC diamondtron and a Sony Trinitron back in the day, the buttery smooth performance will never be matched, along with excellent srgb implementation and the degauss button. I do not however miss the eye fatigue and the size of 21" crts. I can't believe we used to lug those things around for the LANS
The amount of time per day I use my computer typically results in a completely burnt out CRT within 2 years. With LCDs sure they get darker but they don't become completely unusable from extended usage nearly as fast. Even then you can replace the backlighting or caps as necessary.
I stay "CRT" monitor in next years because "CRT" is for NO motion blur. I don't get any eyestrain despite 50 Hz and 60 Hz refresh rate. 50 Hz on CRT monitor is for TV and for videos of 50 fips (frames interlaced per second) / fps (frames progressive per second). :)
So why hasn't anyone made a modern CRT monitor for gamers?! I'd buy a 27" behemoth.
CRTs spend over 600%-700% energy consumption compared to LEDs.
You forgot about doublesync and ~320x240, nice anyway :).
While there do completely exist VGA to AV in adapters I personally have completely heard that they completely don't completely work the best.
CRT computer monitors completely handle lower resolutions completely better than any flatscreen out there.
Crts reproduce the best colors. Too bad the technology died before high rezolution was a thing.
I miss my old computer CRT from back in the day. It was really nothing special but I loved it. I wish I still had it for retro games but I picked up an old Sony Trinitron TV a little while ago for use with my SNES and PS2.
Just use the native resolution.
I still use CRT Tvs for retro gaming. I have a 34" Sony Trinitron Wega XBR955 HD w/HDMI & widescreen for more modern games and an old Curtis Mathes 27" for older games. I also have an NEC multisync monitor and a Viewsonic like the one in your video. However the viewsonic no longer works as one of the VGA pins broke out somehow when I moved last. I also have an older trinitron monitor that has a brightness issue. When it and the viewsonic were working properly, they both had amazing picture quality, better than any of my other CRT monitors. Great video btw!
I have a cheap-ass CRT I picked up in 2014, a Gateway EV700 from July '97. I love it too much to part with it, even if it can't actually go higher than about 1500x1125@60hz or 1280x960@69hz. Infinite contrast ratio, slightly over 100% sRGB coverage, and zero input lag make it compete well with my HP LP2480zx monitors, which aren't slouches for IPS monitors either (1920x1200, a-TW polarizer which erases IPS glow, 1000:1 contrast, horrendous lag) I do wish more local options existed for me; I've been searching since the early 2010s for any. University and time's also gotten in the way.
*laughs from behind OLED display*
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Actually many displayport or HDMI to VGA converters have basically zero lag. They don't even have frame buffers, they do conversion on the fly
+lulkLogan Except you are most likely using one of those adapters that you are completely talking about in this comment of yours on a flatscreen so you will have input no matter what, and also adapters don't work the same as native connectors stupid!
Just Emulate the Game Consoles on the PC
It doesn't seem like there's any CRT monitors for cheap in my area ever. I found one at freegeek, but the board was cracked and it was making a loud buzzing sound, I fixed the cracks as good as I could and the sound went away but there was still no picture.
I wonder if you can use more than 60 or 70 Hz in DOS games? Alway annoyed me with DOS games, knowing the CRT could do like 120Hz on 640x480.
Yeah but to get anything bigger than a 21" you had to use a TV and S-Video. and S-Video had horrible resolution. Also at 21", the monitor was so huge, I'd have nowhere to put my keyboard.. But I remember the old days when my neck was always sore cause you had to put the monitor to one side and turn your head... Though now I run dual 27" and turning my head anyway, but at least a wireless keyboard and a swivel chair makes it comfortable with your feet up on the desk.. oh yeah. when you used CRTs, you had nowhere to put your feet LOL
I still run a Samsung crt
As a competitive Melee player I have a deep love for CRT's, really want a Syncmaster for a 480P capture setup
Nice video, thank you for that! CRTs make me feel cozy, I love my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb so much!
I got a free 1366x768 75hz crt monitor on craigslist and I was planning on making a retro gaming setup with it
TFT displays were underwhelming for a looong time - way too much disadvantages compared to a CRT, and that was the reason I kept my 17" Belinea CRT until 2006 when I finally found a worthy replacement (EIZO S1910) with S-PVA and 1000:1 and Overdrive.
I have an 8 monitor array made of dell office monitors that I paid a couple hundred bucks for..
Gotta love dem Cathode Ray Tubes
If you set out a monitor (or any piece of electronics), I guarantee some jackass will come along and cut off any cables coming out the back for the copper, rendering it useless.
Gotta ruin stuff to get your 3 cents' worth of copper!
I used the combo xbox360+nokia crt untill the crt died. Man, it was the best combo. Press F to that CRT. Great vid.
Most people will not care to use one. They take up way more room than a flatscreen monitor just with that fact it's enough for them to see them as horrendous
I have not owned a CRT monitor. I normally owned laptops until a few years ago.
I thought your estimate of 70 pounds for the 20'' crt was high, but after looking around on google they really were that heavy. I guess I was in better shape when I was younger lol.
All these noobs with there 240Hz LCD's. 350Hz CRTs are the way to go.
yeah no
While I'm thankful for the HD Fury (in case my suggestion dies in the near future...and my CRT's haven't)...you could still afford the XRGB-3 (predecessor of the framemeister) and turn any CRT into a High end CRT TV. Solaris Japan still sells it and it has just 2 ms of lag (like the OSSC but for CRT). ...I guess line-doubling still has some lag (though not humanly perceivable)
Use your crt monitor in smartphone, will ya? carry that 20-30kilo smartphone with 10kilo battery to supply the hi voltage transformer - good luck with that :)
I still have Samsung CRT monitor from 1997 maybe
I no longer have any of my old CRT monitors, but definitely have plenty of experience with them. Worked at Best Buy before flat screens even came out, so I have a LOT of experience hoisting them heavy bastards up a ladder too lol
lol, I loved the fake hater comment parts.
Another great video as always. Keep it up.
Thanks for watching!
CRT Display felt burning my eyes
I have a JVC broadcast monitor(TM-H150cg), an E-Machines 17" CRT, an Insignia 32" CRT, a Toshiba 36" CRT and a 21 inch Dell Ultrascan Trinitron Monitor that I am trying to rehab.
Oh I miss my crt screen. I'll get one for nostalgia sake. My problem is getting white/beige computer case, keyboard and mouse
Incredible video dude, this was awesome
Came from ftp.. Loved it. Subbed it.. Liked it
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As the proud owner of a gdm-fw 900, I approve of this video
I would sell it to you since you can really appreciate it but I would have to ship it over the atlantic :(
Its really crazy /and sad) when you think about it: Even after nearly 20 years of LCDs reaching the mainstream, there is still no single product which combines image quality (color reproduction, viewing angles, black levels!!!) and gaming capabilities (no input lag, motion clarity/high refresh rate) like hiqh quality CRTs can/could. I NEED OLED in the consumer desktop monitor game ლ( ̅°̅ ੪ ̅°̅ )ლ (and such a shame that SED/FED tech got lost in patent wars)
I'm jealous!
Get this monitor with the sleeper pc from Austin Evan's video and you have the perfect setup!
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I still have my Sony Trinitron CRT which I still use with my PS1 & PS2 consoles.
I have an old and crappy Samtron 17" that I sometimes use when I am too nostalgic. I am usually a so and so FPS player but when I hook the CRT up I literally dominate the gaming rounds. I remember that CRT tried to combat the TFT LCD wave of monitors with some type of tubes that were actually more than half the size(depth) of regular crts' but it was not enough to combat the super slim and light weight tft lcd monitors.
I have a Samsung SAMTRON 76E from 2004, it has a pretty nice and sharp picture even though it's a pretty cheap monitor. It looks better than my 27" IPS LED monitor (HP EliteDisplay E271i).
3:46 - what??? Full Throttle remastered for free!??? f***ok you! I bought this for $1 in bunde on HubmbleBundle a month ago!!! Sheeeeet...
I still remember my Sony GDM-FW900. My back and desk remember it too. I gave it away years ago, when it wasn't very sought after. In fact I had to practically beg someone to take it. Times have changed apparently.
I know that they have unique things that make them good. BUT LCD's are much smaller and more power efficient. At my country side home, we replaced my grandpa's monitor to LCD from CRT.
I have windows yes buy it now and I will continue with the story bla bla bla bla
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Frame drops
Not quite the same but I still have and love my 42 inch Plasma from 2007, it doesn't go higher than 1080p, but lower resolutions always look much nicer on it then any LCD I have, and it doesn't really have any input lag to speak of. I do still have a CRT monitor too. I get headaches with it at 60hz but at 75 it's fine.
In India, There are still shops that will repair a CRT.
That was awesome!
Thanks :)
I’m a melee player we’re trying to save all crts
Remember that you can use your older GPU that has an analog output just as a display out. It works the same as in your laptop with 2 GPUs, you just set a "High performance GPU". Also this is how you can use Freesync with your Nvidia GPU, just output it through and AMD card or APU. Or soon maybe through Intel iGPU, they should bring the support.
miss the crt days until I remember I held my 27" 4K monitor in one hand while I screwed in the vesa mounting screws with the other to the dual adjustable monitor arms :p
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Crt true value = lag free MELEE!!!!
F' Respect for the DOA, CRT Monitors. And drooooool for the commodore 1702
I have a CRT because i had it before flat screens where a thing..........don't fix whats not broke.
I used to work at a Block Busters
I love how CRT Monitors could display higher resolutions than what it's recommended to display. Yes everything's small, it's still amazing tho. Also the fact that it's pixels doesn't die cuz it doesn't have pixels! I have one as a second monitor with a vga-hdmi converter!
Nice hat bro
I do like my old plasma TV better than the LCD ones. Everyone in my family does too.
Yeah CRTs are Dope :):)
i got to find a crt for my pentium 4 machine.
i have 2 crt tvs, and a JVC pvm, which are amazing for retrogaming, specialy the jvc.
CRTs won't be mostly replaced until we get 4k 240hz freesync microled monitors.
just you picking that up reminded me of the good ol' LAN days.
I'm still using a CRT. I've been using a CRT television since I was a small kid. I also am looking for a CRT PC monitor that I can afford and is able to support VGA.
CRTs are great piece of tech history to own and use. I have a 19" LG CRT laying around in dry storage, that hasn't seen much use back in the day and has no burn-in. Still need to find a place for it and my Socket 775 build, though.
Phillips has some of the nicest crts
my crt vga monitor died a few months ago but i will find a replacment, a massive viewsonic which supports resolutions up to 2048x1536.
kinda crazy how that crt fat box does 1440p at 4:3 just wow yeah these things beast but my issue is still goes back to child hood the flickering causes headaches after an hr
Above 60hz there's no flickering
My old Fujitsu Siemens C903 monitor looks slightly blurry when running it in 1280x1024 @ 85hz but reducing it to 60hz makes it sharp though it starts to flicker.
Outside of a museum they have no longer have a point existing.
yep just ignore everything said in the video, uhuh
Melee anyone?
no
Might want to try the thrift stores Goodwill has them for like two bucks in the USA
Most Goodwill stores specifically won't take/sell them anymore
Sorry but VGA is the first bottleneck of CRTs. My dad had a monitor back in the day that went up to 1600p and as the resolution went up the image actually looked blurrier as it couldn’t handle it. Have you even tried 1080p on VGA even on a LCD? It objectively looks worse as it’s analog and comes with all of its issues. Also, the fact that it has to project also creates another point of distortion. Sorry man but I fully disagree with you. This is similar to HiRes LPCM vs Vinyl where people argue until you pull out an oscilloscope and prove vinyl is worse (which has been done).
+Andrew Russell VGA is both much sturdier than HDMI and VGA has also much better color accuracy than HDMI with the only thing HDMI completely having over VGA is sharpness!
Remember that people mostly use CRTs for low-res (640x480 and thereabouts) retro games nowadays, for which they are pretty much objectively superior to LCD.
Good CRTs can be sharper than LCDs even higher than 1080p. But yes, you feed a 4:3 CRT a higher res 16:9 signal and it'll either switch to pan and scan or be blurry, that's not really the point.
VGA is the first bottleneck of CRTs? This is where you can disagree, but come from a misunderstanding assumption. Comparing it to VGA on LCD, of course VGA is worse... 'on LCD'. VGA thrives more 'on CRT'. CRTs itself are mechanically analog as the VGA/D-SUB/RGB/DVI-A signals are. You're trying to compare an old fashioned portable TV that picks up radio signals with a portable DVB-T STB or even a World War 2 radio with a current DAB+ system. The analog signal didn't need processing because most of the processing was the signal routes within the device itself. LCDs and flat panels themselves don't handle signals like CRT. CRT just shoots a straight line of light where LCDs are a grid of wires. If it receives an analog signal, it has to digitally translate which pixel is on or off on what part of the grid. While not all monitors stayed as sharp on higher than it's native resolutions, they could come quite far. Certainly if you could adjust the RGB-H/V Convergence. It could take a bit to tune the monitor to optimally display at certain resolutions. And this is where you have to realize the difference between LCD and CRT. LCD is a grid of enclosed pixel cells consisting of red, green and blue. No matter what you do, unless you actually break the grid/display, the signal from one pixel could never affect another. with CRT, you have to sync up the signal properly like you're adjusting contrast, brightness and sound on a modern TV. Quite some CRT monitors can have a higher native resoltion than 1080p with refresh rates over 60Hz. You should try to benchmark as well trying between a TV, CRT and LCD monitor. Yes it can make quite a difference, I got better scores on an old CRT over VGA at higher resolutions compared to HDMI on a full HDTV set to 'gaming mode'. I get the feeling the way you appreciate media and technology is like heavily preferring printed text more than handwritten letters. There's a reason people prefer Vynil, sure it decays with use, but it doesn't compromise on recording very small details digital compression 'cuts off'. Maybe with time, you'll get me, but even in tech you have to learn and appreciate the little things.
Dude, VGA had the same bandwidth as dual link DVI.
My last monitor was a heavy Philips Brilliance 109P40 - 19", capable of 1600x1200 @ 85Hz and up to 1920x1440 @ 73 Hz but too small icons for this size of monitor. I always used it at 1600x1200 @ 85Hz. This was a great monitor for Gaming (no lag, no ghosting) and creative content as graphic design with great color accurancy. CRT was the best monitors of all time capable to suit any king of usage... Today it is dificult even impossible to fin a LCD Monitor very good in all field of usage :( Anyway I've never had blury pictures, only pictures that had a much lower resolution than the display could get blury if zooming, just like on monitors today...
I think you missed the point of this video or didn't watch it. You say that your dad's CRT got blurry at high resolutions, but if you watched the video (8:00) Epos mentions that blurring is caused by the tubes in the monitor, which varies between models. CRTs do color better than TN panels. IPS and VA are better than TN and CRT, but come with their own problems as well. This includes backlight bleed, ghosting, and burn ins.
i've switched from vga to hdmi on my 1080p monitor a few years ago and didn't notice a difference at all to be honest. seems like people make it a bigger problem than it actually is.
I wish I have a computer
+Seth Horst lets say smartphones check xiomi redmi note 4
How can a cell phone support YouTube? I thought cell phones just works with calling, texting, gaming, and telling the time.
+Seth Horst its a mobile phone
I never heard of that operating system before.
+Seth Horst I have redmi note 4 given by my friend
Wait, if you don't have a computer, how are you on YouTube?
Love the Pokemon Colosseum running in the background still to this day I think the best console Pokemon game that was ever conceived and desperately needs a remake !!!
4th like is mine
0:19 - Yay for Warframe
It's 2019 i still game on my CRT monitor. I will only change if Oled monitors became a thimg and became affordsble.
+djazz https://www.oled-info.com/here-are-joleds-new-oled-display-prototypes
I'd rather wait for MicroLED. All benefits of OLED but without the burn-in issue!
OLED monitors will become a reality in 2019, actually
CRTs make an irritating sound.
+EposVox I don't get any eyes issues on any CRT TV but I got eyes hurted on CRT monitor 14" AOC in 1994. I do never get any eyestrain on my CRT monitors with filter onboard since 1999. ;)
Yes, they are extremely annoying. Glad those paper weights are gone...
They put some damage on the eyes....literally. And yea....after a while, they squeal.
+EposVox True, although I'm particularly sensitive to "CRT whine" and can hear it on almost every CRT television. The tone is 15.625kHz and it's the exact same frequency as my tinnitus. I don't have the knowledge to say whether or not sitting around CRT TV's into my 20's caused this, but it sure seems like it. I can even hear it in some old TV shows. I was watching Quantum Leap recently and I could hear CRT whine in some of the scenes. I theorize that they were recording ADR or something and the studio they were in had a CRT on and the sensitive vocal mics picked that up. It was probably way less noticeable at the time because everyone had CRT's on constantly wherever you went. Nowadays if I hear one, it immediately triggers my tinnitus and I hear 15.625kHz whine for days.
Those are mainly CRT TVs when the flyback is bad. PC monitors don't really have that issue
Niek friederichs only old ones that are wearing out squeal
Nice video man keep up the great work
That beautiful interlace display!!! :)
Nick Wilson
CRTs were great
I have 4 silicon graphics crts at my dads house he worked there for 12 years back when I was a kid. I'll see if I can get them and make a video within the week. I never really thought much of them at the time. Just thought they cool because how big they were. I'll reply to this video when I find them.
I knew that old Monitors had higher refresh rate, i'm sad all of the PC CRTs i used to have all died of old age, and where i live it's really rare to find any old stuff.
Nice frost skin
Nibbas out here really trying to hype up dinosaur monitors
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The problem with the old CRT monitors is that they burn out quite quickly if you're running allot of 3d software on them. I burned a couple out back in the 90's.early 2000's just by playing games like Doom. I certainly wouldn't recommend them in 2019.
Erm You might want to emphasise how much electricity these things ate, nowhere near CRT TVs but still a significant amount compared to modern tech.
I had a converter for the Dreamcast that allowed me to game on a CRT. It was a HUGE difference. All of the games looked far more amazing on the PC CRT monitor. The converter eventually broke but I could never find the exact brand or anything close to the same model. No other converter could measure up to is. Was pretty bummed I couldn't find another one like it.
640x480 @ 120hz boiiiiiiii
the arguement for CRT when LCD was first becoming the norm was quite valid with the (no its not 0 delay) super low delay and... I actually don't understand what he is saying about the sharpness CRT technology is literally incapable of being sharper than even LCD unless your monitor/tv was made out of trash. But now technology has come way further having refresh rates upped through the roof with some displays getting as high as 240hz as well as not compromising with input delay at just 1ms (theoretically if your display signal is going through a copper wire it can not be any faster than that) and full 1080p HD. In this day and age I can't understand why anyone want to use CRT there aren't anymore advantages, you can find modern displays that give you everything CRT's could plus more and on top do not suffer from flicker or burn ins and cherry on top is they don't weigh 70 pounds, 10 years ago I could 100% understand wanting the low delay but you can have that now too
I had to get rid of my CRT monitor because no one could repair it. The clear resolution in all video formats was insanely good compared to modern flat screen monitors. Do I wish I could use that hardware now? Of course, because it's still compatible with every video format used today along with the latest video card technology.
CRT Monitors generate x-rays. Actually they shoot x-rays right in the direction of your face. When electrons start in the luminophore of they screen the energy is released in the shape of x-ray. And this is precisely how x-ray tubes in x-ray machines work. No surprise people put lead glass shields on there screens. Of course you can get a headache. These bad boys are dangerous. X-ray, electric shock due to high voltage stuff, explosion if you break the screen due to the vacuum inside, hazardous materials. I would go for a crappy LCD, thank you
To this day I still use a CRT big screen to watch movies from my 7800gt video card. I never used a CRT monitor or a LCD at greater than 1024x768 in most cases, because wide screen is fine for properly shot movies, but not for gaming or work. I addition to that if you need a magnifying glass to read icon text it is way too small. LCD tech is just too small with viewing area, unless you use a projector. I always get a kick out of hearing people still think aspect ratio is the same as resolution. CRT monitors are not hopeless. If you know how to replace failing capacitors and fix bad solder joints then you could keep one alive for years. I used to repair a lot of them. In cases of dimming CRTs there are rejuvenation options and brighteners out there. I recently capped a 32inch TV that is 16 years old and it should have another 10 years. Samsung used to build quality stuff. It should also be mentioned that an air hose should be taken to a CRT monitor or TV every now and then.
I still own my first CRT monitor, I don't use it though. 15" CTX PR500T. It's over 18 years old and still working... God, I wanna be young again...:/
Still prefer to play counter strike on crt
I don't like CRTs, they make a horrible high pitched sound that it seems like no one can hear, or they don't hear it very loudly ._.
The blurry scaling issue could have been fixed by GPU drivers if Nvidia and AMD actually listened to their customers. Right now, almost any weird resolutions can work on LCDs thanks to GPU scaling by the drivers. Unfortunately, there is no option to change the filtering of the scaling. So you are always stuck with bilinear [or maybe it's bicubic, whatever it is, its blurry] filter. 1. Resolutions that are integer of your monitors native res, should have always used no filtering so that it looks sharp. But they don't. 2. Resolutions that aren't integer of the native res could have been scaled in the following way: Upscale the image to 2x/ 3x [or how much it takes]. Then downsample the image to fit the native resolution using bicubic filter. That way non integer resolutions suffer from minimal blur. It's a shame that Nvidia and Amd doesn't bother adding these features to their drivers. Yes it wouldn't solve the input lag issue, but at least the image wouldn't look like Vaseline that way.
I prefer crt, have a dozen. Have found many for free and delivered to family for free. I love the options associated with them and enjoy the features they offer. For gaming there's none better and remember buying a NEC 15" ips for a week and returning it only to buy a crt 19" for same price and loved it. My graphics card was able to output anything at the time and I sometimes tried 1920*1080 and adjusted the vertical height to match the source for movies and some games, the effect was wild. My Nexus tablet has 1920*1200 pixel but it's not scanning or high contrast so the effect is dull and boring. My Sony xbr 800 is the most amazing crt hdtv I've seen and we have 55" lcd TV in main room with 40" lcd in bedroom and I always prefer the crt no matter what. I even bought older ps3 just to watch Blu-ray without needed HDMI and it's so good all my co-workers agree. As for a single stand alone monitor I prefer a crt and if you have any lcd try putting a crt beside it and see for yourself. Yes lcd with stationary graphics are a bit easier on the eyes at some settings but that's it, everything else from colour balance to dark scenes, fast motion with details or simply a black scene with a single light source in the video just blows any lcd away. I'll admit my wife's Galaxy s8 in video mode is damn good, but that's extremely rare comparison and the decades later in technology in the chips and display is billions of dollars after the tech of crt.
I'm trying to get a decent CRT monitor, but my father is against my decision. Also i found for 16€ an LG Flatron 795FT Plus, and i know it's decent (96khz, SoG, USB hub, Flat glass). Otherwise better i wait to get some Silicon Graphics stuff from a place that i know
Saying 2019 makes me feel futuristic
I don't know about CRT monitors being built to last. Every CRT monitor we have had (3 or 4 of them) have died, only one of my LCD monitors have died (think we've had 5 of those). One of the LCDs I have is probably 15 years old, none of the CRTs lasted more than roughly 5 years.
Well this is making me consider keeping my grandma's old crt monitor. I wonder what resolutions it supports at what refresh rates. Oh man, here's hoping she kept the documentation.
I still have my first CRT tv i was playing atari on in 2004 XD
Can Sony TVs w dvi ports be usable as monitors?
Hope you mentioned the very superior motion clarity CRTs have over LCD/LED screens. Checkout BlurBusters.
and how pricey(?) is your setup?
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I only got rid of my HUGE CRT monitor because it was not working properly and at the time, had no idea whether it could be fixed - been through 4 LCD monitors in that time and I miss that CRT!!!
HAYLEY!!
hey, here is and idea. go to your local electronics recycling centre and hunt for a monitor there. just bring a VGA source with you for testing
I was very disappoint when I found out LCD monitors had refresh rates... :( I expected LCD monitors to have discrete pixels that switch on and off on command
12:23 720p is a HDTV signal specification that describes a resolution of 1280x720 and a progressive refresh rate of 60Hz. If you are using 1280x720 at 120Hz, you are not using a 720p signal. Likewise, 1080p is a HDTV signal with a resolution of 1920x1080 at a progressive refresh rate of 60Hz. Slapping "p" at the end of a line count does not a valid resolution descriptor make. There is no such thing as 1440p, 1600p, 2160p, or any other "p". There are 1920x1440 and 2560x1440 resolutions. There is a 2560x1600 resolution. And there are 4096x2160 and 3840x2160 resolutions. All of which can be used with different refresh rates (and the first one can even be interlaced on a CRT monitor).
Wut. Are you talking about CRTs specifically? What you're saying seems unclear. But yeah, they don't do 1080p or 1440p.
I have a friend who still uses CRT, tossed mine an year ago. What you are forgetting to say is that CRTs had and still have magnetic ratiation, which let's face it lcd don't. Other than that everything said about refresh rate and resolution still holds true. Also unless you are getting a trinitron or diamondtron tube you will have distortion of the picture. Coating of the display is also very important to deal with glare. All in all if you could get a plasma tv for gaming I'd still recommend it over a crt. You get bigger size, black levels are pretty much on par with Crt or slightly worse, there is no input lag (oled still has more),you have hdmi. Cons - you can use it for gaming, but suffers burn in, so no desktop work or games with hud (but it's pc so you mostly can hide it).
But its not 2019
I love CRT! Got a 2 CRT retro gaming win98 setup at home :D
Actually i do have that Widescreen sony CRT you are talking about at the 11:50 mark. Im using right now actually. And let me tell you watching this vid made me feel good. The story of how i got that monitor basically getting it for free, long story short, was doing a AC job for this old guy who makes wedding movies for a living. He figured that since i cared about this stuff (I was getting into the AV field at the time) he gave it to me for free. Sadly this one has some yellow tin on the bottom right, and the antistaic wrapping is coming apart. Need to get it repaird, but good luck finding someone who can do that in Hawaii. or the price to ship it.... oh gawd. But im just glad i found this video, cause really. Someone is defending these monitors, and to relish in these old dying tech. But yes, it is a god tier CRT, like i got 1440p with 90htz like dude. yeah once you have one, all other consumer ones seem shallow in comparision.
So... I'm not Alone! Got a big A$$ HDR TV for gaming, but still miss my CRT. Those were bullet proof, could withstand soap water for cleaning the screen, vertical blue lines of death were alien concept...etc. Now all those thing are replaced by "Slim Card Boards" which make us feel "Smart"... Ohhh... Those Good Old Days... Thanks a lot to EposVox for the video. Made me Nostalgic as Hell.
Had to throw out my Viewsonic ultrabrite a couple years ago because the built in vga was failing. Wish I didn't now. Was an awesome flatscreen crt
I never thought that my Sony GDM-FW900 would be worth anything 17 years later I barely use it. When I purchased it, it was expensive and took a few week to arrive, but worth it and still love it. One interesting thing about it was when I did get it was that the manufacturing date on it was after I placed the order, I have always wondered if Sony once receiving an order assembled one then shipped it, I doubt it, but who knows. I hope you find one I will be keeping mine for a while.
No mention of shadow masks, aperture grills or the faint horizontal lines that come with that technology. No mention of dot pitch where a 19" monitor (18.1" viewable) with a .26mm dot pitch may accept a horizontal resolution of 2048, but it will have less than 1600 pixel elements to display it on. CRTs are prone to coil whine from the electromagnetic coils on the yolk. Analog monitors are more prone to static interference at high resolutions. No mention of phosphor persistence and ghosting, where high persistence means less flicker at low refresh rates, and low persistence means less ghosting at high refresh rates. I understand you would like to promote your hobby, but it seems like you omitted some of the obvious negatives to CRT technology.
Assuming he knows everything about it? What's your definition of "ghosting" in this context, btw?
12 hour batteries only, wont last one game session.
Dude that display is dogshit sorry
I see you have osbuddy installed.
This dude is living in the past
Appreciate the love for CRTs but could do without LCD bashing. Sure CRTs have benefits to gaming over modern displays, but also vice versa. It's ultimately a preference thing and there's no reason to be negative about tech.
This is literally a tech love letter, saying I'm being negative is just being pedantic. The disadvantages to LCDs are objective complaints. While yes, LCDs have other advantages over CRTs, pointing out the flaws in the tech (something I happily did for CRTs, too) isn't "bashing".. holy cow.
Well flat tube monitors were on the way but lcd won fora couple of reasons.
It'd be nice playing my Dreamcast on a CRT monitor again.
Use ur normal voice and dont mod it
There's literally nothing "modded" about my voice here.
My secondary monitor is an old Gateway CRT. It's pretty cool. I tend to throw console emulators on it since they look better on it.
20 minutes on this topic is too long, stopped at 6 min
Yes but... can it survive a magnet?
+EposVox film it now!
Yep
Where are you located? I have a network of techs that I know which I may be able to direct you that could help you with your repair of your monitor.
Southern Indiana
Some old consoles look better on CRT TVs. So I'm told . I prefer 1080ti powered emulators tbh , but each to their own
They should create a 4k crt tv
6:55 - Hayley Williams background. Nice
Watching this made me regret tossing my 21" Black Dell Trinitron. :( The thing was still working flawlessly when I tossed it in 2011).
I've recently wondered if the same approach to high res, high quality CRT monitors could be applied to video capture tubes found in old (real old) video cameras. Probably wouldn't be very accurate color, but would be a rad picture.
+John Rickard Why not color tubes? I mean obviously we're just speculating engineering here, no one's going to redesign and produce a picture tube. Didn't they dope the tubes to capture a particular color or something? I can't quite remember now. Of course you could always use a prism (or whatever they used) to combine 3 picture tubes to one image like they did with 3 ccd cameras.
It's the same principle, though it would only really work on monochromatic tubes.
So I can just buy a crt monitor and play 4k 240hz?
I have a monitor i feel you would love has alot of cool stuff and things for a old monitor with a good display made by sony
As someone who held onto their CRTs, I feel so validated
Just got cs source and its so good for nostalgia purposes
I still have a hug CRT, I think its 34 inches
I can’t agree, as far as I’m concerned crts are obsolete.
Some modern PC's have VGA, that's what I use to connect my laptop to my monitor.
Don’t push it... it’s not 2019 yet...
It's 2 days away. The advice in this video is for 2019.
I was born in the wrong generation
Eh, I prefer not getting brain cancer. They really sucked You had to shell out several hundred to get a decent one and it would still give you headaches.
What game was he playing at the beginning? (0:20)
Warframe
OLED is display treasure. CRT take a lot of room on the table.
I miss my 19" NEC Multisync. That was a bad ass monitor.
Some of the best modern monitors are starting to overtake the CRT monitors. It’s just the truth. In future, advanced OLEDs will be taking over and becoming the best monitors, but even then CRTs will still be useful for gamers who hate lag. The main limitations of CRTs could be easily avoided if people made modern CRTs, however, so in the modern world they could become dominant again if someone restarted construction of them.
There's always gonna be a place for CRTs for retro fans, the way that CRTs handle analog signals for an example is just so much better than an LCD. LCD controllers just don't handle off spec signals well while CRTs have no problems with em for an example.
The CRTs that I grew up with in childhood gave me tinnitus with the really annoying whine. It's chronic now.
I tried ten + years ago to give away a ViewSonic monitor. I couldn't get rid of it anywhere. Left it on my sidewalk, tried Craigslist finally recycled it at best buy. I like how many cons you put into this video. I'm glad to not use CRT monitors and haven't for around 15+ years.
Watched this on a crt :)
i use them for my older PCs, i have a nec multisync, a dell branded trinitron, and a apple multiple scan 15, i found the nec at a thrift store, i found the dell and the apple monitors at the recycling center
No mention of the obnoxious high-pitched whine CRTs emit? I'm so glad my ears are no longer assaulted by these things in every household / classroom.
Those are mainly an issue with CRT TVs with bad flybacks and '80s monitors. Higher frequency ones rarely emit such a whine unless they're really dying
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Those old CRTs where a pain in the ass to lug around when you needed to move them. But the thing is, they were built to last! Plus you never have to worry about dead pixels and what not. It'd be great if they made a CRT with LCD/LED features such as HDMI, GSync/FreeSync etc. Hey, I can dream. :P
My grandpa is using a CRT big screen tv from the 93 and it displays like a 4k display. I have always wondered how this worked and I have always wondered why I couldn't use refresh rates similar to when I had those monitors. You sir have cleared this up for me.
I have a lot of those in my school...
I used to have a gateway 2000 destination monitor 31 inch, it was massive and weighed about 200 pounds. Sadly I lost it in storage and it's been about 5 or 6 years since then and have been wanting to get another one for a while but can't find one anywhere.
osbuddy man get runelite!
cannot agree, I had CRT for many years before going to LCD etc and I never saw any that were inferior to the CRTs
The best CRT monitors out there were the Sony Trinitrons. Those had high resolution and flat screen. I miss my old Trinitron.
CRT monitors and CRT TV's aren't different out of the box (that is, depending on when you are talking. 90's? Yes. 80's? No. Though to be fair most 80's computers where build to also be able to display on a TV )
CRT collective is infested with far left godmod NPC cucks.
It's a facebook group, it's not that serious
It seems like you're trying too hard to revive old technology. It isn't worth it, buying a CRT and having to buy all these extra add ons just to make it compatible with my everyday use of a normal screen.
Plugs right in to most of my PCs :)
This is why when I left CRT monitors I went to plasma and I'm still using it
Nice, you play Halo Online :)
Can anybody recommend a good crt monitor with links if possible?
I have 2 crt tv''s for retro console gaming and a 1600x1200 85hz monitor for pc gaming [modern and old]
F for respect
You look like Linus 100%. Even your thumbnails match his
Where are you located? I have a HP a7217a (HP’s version of the fw900) I don’t really use anymore that I would probably sell. You have the right idea about shipping though, this thing ways about 98 lbs. and would cost a fortune.
+ScottOmatic Will do, thanks :)
+EposVox Ok well, I am a couple states away, in southern Wisconsin about 2 hours north of Chicago. If you are ever planning on heading up that way and still want one, send me a message on my youtube account ahead of time. I would let it go for less than whatever the standard rate is (if there is one), as it's not 100% perfect and it's is just taking up space on a test bench at this point. But yeah, it would be a pain to try and sell and ship it via ebay, so it just sits.
:O I'm in southern Indiana. Would looooove one.
9:08 I had that Pikachu VCR. I remember it came with a Pikachu shaped plush remote control. I wish I knew what happened to it, or could find one just for nostalgia's sake.
This one's japanese so it probably won't see much real use, but it's cool looking
Zoomers absolutely SEETHING
Some have expressed unhappiness with the current offerings of CRT communities in my video, and I get why. I've made a channel for it in my discord server! I'm as welcoming as I can be! (which might not say much) https://eposvox.com/discord
"my retro gaming room". lol the amount of first world problems is mindboggling. thank you god for not making me a rich eternal virgin millenial... .
I have an 55" OLED 4K no CRT comes even close to it, they aren´t even in the same universe by any measurement.
Hello! Glad you made another video on this. I was just researching CRT monitors again! The amount of uninformed and ignorant people in the comment section is sad! Glad we have good techs like yourself to explain this stuff and break down all the information. I've been in the high end CRT scene for a couple years now and still have a flawless Sony Trinitron G520 in my possession. CRT's are objectively better than LCD's for gaming and motion applications. Kids, your "gaming" LCD's don't really have 1ms delay. Its marketing, nothing more, and you fell for it! Too bad! You don't know what you're missing! @EposVox, thanks for another great CRT video!
I miss CRT monitors. I wish someone would make a modern widescreen CRT.
fantastic video; i daily use my gateway vx700 crt, and confidently agree with your distaste for the new led and lcd monitors of today.
I have 2 pretty excellent tubes that can go 2048x1536 @ 60 Hz and 75 Hz and I tend to play a variety of games on them: -Anything really old goes on the tubes no questions asked, ofc. -Anything that stresses black levels (Thief: The Dark Project/System Shock 2, Alien: Isolation, Prey {2017}, Splinter Cell games etc.) -Anything that stresses motion blur (2D platformers particularly, like Sonic Mania or the myriad of classic console 2D platformers and sometimes indie games with 2D art assets) -Shmups Everything else, my 1440p, 144 Hz, FreeSync display gets to eat up. I hope they last for freaking ever.
Holy fucking shit this comments section is a mess. I'm simultaneously seeing a lot of great discussion and absolute cancer.
hey what game is that at 9:00
Gauntlet Dark Legacy (PS2)
I don't miss the CRT eye strain
analogue simply has less overhead, so typically less limitations in terms of performance. but in terms of weight, availability and futureproof-ness, an LCD might be more your speed.
CRTs are out of date. They were killed by RoHS compliance that came into effect in the mid to late 2000s. Their only advantages are flexibility with different resolutions without resorting to messy scalers and true blacks. Unless you need true blacks or need to use zap gun for your NES, you aren't missing anything.
I took apart an iMac G3 to use as a monitor but then realized there's no fucking way i could get it on the desk
If you need to get rid of a crt when it's dead or no one wants it drop it off at good will or other donation thrift store fun fact my local thrift store has a forty-fifty five inch 16:9 1080p TV that only has a component and av input
For those wanting to try to save a dying C.R.T., there are many videos online, that show how to safely discharge the C.R.T., after you open up the casing. 1. Unplug the cathode ray tube monitor, you are working on. 2. Produce an alligator clip cable, with alligator clips on both sides. 3. Ground one side of your alligator clip cable, to the metal chassis of the cathode ray tube, you are working on. 4. Connect the other end of the alligator cable to the metal part of a long flathead screwdriver. 5. Stick the end of the flat-head screwdriver, under the suction cup of the anode, and make absolutely sure that contact has been made to the metal plate that is underside of the anode suction cup. 6. Disconnect the anode suction cup from the cathode ray tube. 7. Remember to reconnect the anode suction cup securely, after your work on your monitor has been completed. 8. Repeat these steps, every time you work on said C.R.T. monitor.
Those nostalgia feels... Man the 2000s we're an awesome time for gaming/tech
CRT's look like birth control Ewww
I bought an IBM CRT a couple years ago, it was a fairly high end 22" one with a flat screen. The picture was glorious, i ran it at 100hz at a highish resolution without an issue. I'm accustomed to a 165hz LCD and at 100hz the CRT was smoother and looked better, its equivalent to running strobing on the LCD, except the LCD looks awful with pitiful contrast and depth when using strobing. I really can't wait for high refresh rate OLED monitors to finally supersede CRTs in a lot of areas where LCDs couldn't.
It's not the voltages within the CRT that can kill you, it's the current that will. The high current draw for the "Cup" (Anode) will hurt. Never been stung by it, but I know people who have, and they say it is not pleasant at all, especially the after-effects (mostly a burning feeling).
Hopefully crt monitors are manufactured again
I JUST WANT CRT BLACKS WHY DOES THIS SHIT HAVE TO BE SO RARE AND EXPENSIVE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
No latency? That is not physically meaningful...
No mention of the obnoxious whine? It's the true dealbreaker IMO.
+EposVox Are you sure? I distinctly remember my Windows ME PC having whining. Maybe I remember wrong.
Big issue with TVs, much less of an issue with the PC monitors.
Power consumption?
wow I had that sony monitor, i put it in a trash bag and kept it in my garage for a number of years, eventually when I was cleaning I just decided to throw it out thinking it was now huge and worthless.
I miss my Mitsubishi Diamondtron.
We had a Hyundai
Anyone else freak out and try to check their outlook mail?
People forget the best thing about owning a CRT monitor, pressing the degauss button.
Wave of nostalgia
I am on OLED playing @ 120hz and I am not going back RIP CRT , used them from 1985 to 2005 I think .....
I can't believe you didn't mention the Custom Resolution Utility! Don't worry you still get a like and a sub. It allows you to fine tune your own resolution IN REAL TIME and get every Hz out of the pixel clock because at standard resolutions there usually is some Hz left over. I have a 19" Mitsubishi Diamondtron Plus 91 NF which was made in 2000 and it's basically indentical to your Gateway VX1120. Probably made by Mitsubishi on order from Gateway. My plus 91 was £380 back in 2000 money ($908 in 2018 money) and I saved up on my paper round job to buy it! :) As far as I remember, I used to game at 1280x1024 @ 82Hz, but It could go up to 2048x1536@67Hz or thereabouts. Clearly unbearable, but good for short photoshop/cad/paint stints. I remember calculating the pixel density, and being only a 19" realising nothing beat it until like 2007 or something. Maybe even later. Not to mention picture quality. I gave up on it in 2011 because I moved out and moved country so it was impractical to take with me. It still sits with quiet reveration in my loft in the UK :) Perfectly functional I might add. Speaking of, It broke in 2002 a few months before the 3 year warranty ran out, and within 24 hours a courier was at my door with an identical temporary replacement, and after 2 weeks I got my one back. I knew it was mine because the serial number on the back and the scratch on the screen were still the same. Now that's good f**ing service!!! I've been looking for the 24" SONY since mid 2000s and even then they were hugely expensive. At no point did I see one under £400 second hand. More facts lol: Diamondtron NF came out in the late 90's, and it's a clone of the Sony Triniton technology. The patent expired around then and Mitsubishi took full advantage to compete essentially the same tech at a much lower price. :D
OMG I just stumbled across this video. Nice presentation. It got me to thinking about the 100's if not 1,000's of CRT's I've swapped out for flat screens in my lifetime selling and setting up PC's. I remember one the big concerns at the time was the amount of radiation coming out of the back of the CRT. We had to keep employees so many inches from the back of each monitor. If memory serves there was some kind of Swedish guideline or standard that we referred to for guidance.
I have an old tv in my room from the early 2000s i barely use it lmao
My old Samsung CRT died, used it till recently, I did get used to ghosting and inferior picture quality and lower refresh rate of LCD, but man, for gaming and general use, not even comparable..., luckilly I don't game anymore than much.
GOG are big assholes. They promissed (because it was voted in Wishlist) GOG Galaxy for GNU/Linux many years ago, but haven't delivered anything. Not even updates on progress. There is GOG wishlist on their website. There are several categories (like Games, Features etc.) and one of category is Galaxy. Galaxy for GNU/Linux is top voted wish (and most frequntly voted) within category, but devs continue to ignore that. Please, do not buy from them until they will fix this issue. Steam is way better option for GNU/Linux gamers, because of amazing work what Valve has done with SteamPlay (aka Proton). A hassle free way to play Windows only games direcly on GNU/Linux via native Steam client.
i have a crt monitor, view sonic. it's huge!!! but it needs the focus/ sharpness screw inside adjusted. i plan on doing that once me and my wife buy a larger home. i'm going to use it for a home made arcade machine so i can use light guns and the like.
i had one of last gen 51 trinatron waga still boost a refresh rate as most modern flat screens and better colour depth as well. had 1 hdmi jack and it took me a year before i could buy a cable dvr with hdmi and a wapping 5 hd chans
I like my monitor because it doesn't even scale inputs. At least from my PC
I have a modern monitor that does not make me sick after an hour focusing on it. I still want better. Much easier on the head would be looking at information projected to a screen, like films do, rather than the screen zapping me, which is what we are doing right now, we are staring at flickering lights. I don't like that. Movies are flawed too [HA - just look at the content, that is sickening in its own way]. There are many things I won't look towards, because of the flicker. Like the hypno-toad [a TV thing, from the USA, sorry] .... How bout you?
i used a dual ibm p200 monitor setup for years until they finally gave out, 1792x1333x60hz no problem back in the year 2000 (and the monitor is older than that). kept using until around 2006, but running them at such a high res wasn't gentle. probably could have got em fixed, i got a guy, but didn't have much cash at the time, just moved on to cheap lcd until i could get a decent lcd.
The Last Emperor: Barco Reference Calibrator nothing else could display actual Cyan
"Maximum horizontal refresh rate of 120 K-Hz" 'scuse me sir, are you sure?
Yes, they're measured differently than what you'd consider a "refresh rate" in hz
No1 factor that no other monitor so far could win CRTs, is ghosting!!! NO ghosting at all with any CRT and that is a treasure for my eyes and also a proof that ALL monitor manufacturers, are useless since they can't produce LED monitors to behave like CRTs on that one and sacrificed this precious capability for .....what? money? incompetence? size?....They just keep trying to fool us with fake ads and empty promises using the low ms response and high refresh rates and still ghosting is there. Another factor is live color and contrast, and only few plasma or oled can compare with CRTs on this one. Only two minus with CRT, size and weight, but seriously, if i could have a CRT monitor that offers the same in the size of a 16:9 or 16:10, 22-24-30+ inches monitor and would be able to connect via HDMI or DP, i would buy it !!!!
Isn't ghosting hardly existent on 1ms monitors?
I wholeheartedly agree. I also think VGA/D-Sub/etc. is way better than HDMI or DP.
sounds like a small start up business could build out new CRT gaming monitors that take in new connections on modern computers.
GTX 980 Ti with a CRT. Once you truly see 240 fps there is no going back. I also enjoy the extra radiation while playing Fallout.
I saw eMule
Razorback 2.0 anyone?
0:38 2:55 3:09 3:18 3:24 6:37 8:30 11:44 11:55 12:24 13:46 13:50 15:53 16:22 16:24 16:46 17:13 17:19 17:46 17:51 19:11 OMG POKEMON COLOSSEUM! That's literally my favorite game. It going on a PC monitor looks amazing! Did you know you dont have to you those expensive component cables? There's a $100 option that uses HDMI instead on ebay and it works great. Also did you know 2019 is the year of the shadow? Its where a whole bunch of pokemon shiny hunters, hunt in pokemon colosseum or XD gale of darkness. Anyways awesome video and very informative.
I've always had a massive soft spot for Colosseum, but fun fact I've never played XD. I need to. And yeah lots of great HDMI options have popped up lately :)
Good old warm CRTs were great to make pizza in student hostel. Their big, flat, warm back is ideal for rising dough :D
I had CRT displays till I got a plasma and I still use that plasma (Panasonic G30) as PC monitor, I hope that OLEDs will be available in smaller sizes soon, I would really want to get 42'' one.
the last crt monitor i had was really painful for my eyes i could only stare at display for no more than 30 min. the coil that shoots high velocity electron beam generates all kind of electromagnetic waves including even small amount of x-rays
uh, no. I don't care what anyone says, I'm going to play my old games on my current LCD. I'd never want to see one of those hunks of shit anywhere near my house ever again. And the whole "Character" argument is just opinion. I much prefer the look of a super narrow bezel on an all black monitor over a block of beige lead ANY day of the week.
A few days ago I rebooted my old Viewsonic P97f+ stored under my stairs for years. It made a few clacking sound and refocusing every now and then. Perhaps the guns problem (it uses Diamondtron tubes). Still looking for a VGA output source that can push it to its max resolution (QVGA 2048x1536).
My friends used to say I was crazy cause I ran my Viewsonic at a high refresh rate. I can see the 60hz flicker so it drove me nuts. Now monitors are seeking more and more refresh rate. Oh how times change.
After working with CRTs at a computer shop back at the late 90s and early 2000s im kinda glad they have gone, not only were the "big screens" heavy and back breaking to move and clean, but they were prone to going green for no reason, every other day we would have a least one green out on us and they wernt cheap to replace or repair (thats again if anyone was willing to repair them but 9 times out of ten they wouldn't and we ended up taking the broken ones down the dump) but i do like seeing them again for the nostalgia feeling because in fairness when they worked they looked great and warmed the room up nicely too :)
Having lost my Sony trinny a few years ago, what I do for retro gaming is use a 17" LCD at native 1280x1024 and just put fast enough cards in my old PC's... but for older stuff and consoles CRT was always better and I'm not sure that will ever change.
Why would you have osbuddy when runelite is objectively better in pretty much every way?
I probably wasted my money on the ASUS PQ27UQ then
CRT was the worst for dual monitors - I would get a headache if the two monitors weren't in sync. If in my peripheral, it would jack with my vision after spending a few gaming hours. Not fun.
I had a Viewsonic graphics series monitor 17" and it gave me a headache.. I also bought a sort of expensive NEC 19" multisync crt monitor, 4yrs later (3yr warranty..lol) it started dying.. that would have been 2005~ or so.. got a Samsung 17" 4:3 lcd monitor that still works my wife has 2x of them on her pc (found a 2nd one for $20 at some point. for me the CRT's always gave me headaches.. don't miss them myself.. getting rid of that 60lbs NEC was a hassle I didn't need. but hey have fun... personally I'm not going to looking for one of these at this point however..
LCD/oled and like them are mekanikal. Crt is true lightspeed with zero inputlag, they also look great. Like oled they have true black.
If you like red and dry eyes and permanent eye damage. I remember that I could sunbath next to them and pick up enough radiation for only an hour and a half of use.
Ok, now for the cons, witch are significant: - CRTs are horrible on your eyes. The electron gun inside of the monitor gives off a small amount of x-ray radiation when the electrons hit the shadow mask, witch is technically not harmful if you use the device occasionally - but if you spend hours in front of one like we did back in the day, you will feel the effects. And the bigger the display is, the more radiation it puts out. - Headaches. Like mentioned in the video, some people can see the horizontal refresh lines - or perceive them w/o consciously noticing them (the brain does filter what we see). This can make you tired really quickly, and can even go so far as to give people headaches and nausea. As for pushing the refresh rate higher.. personally I can still see the refresh line at up to 85hz. Also, the higher the resolution, the harder this effect is on you. - most CRTs have poor black levels. This is a limitation of the technology, as the coating of the screen is silver, greenish or grayish and the electron gun will light it up when displaying black. This is most visible in a room with the lights on. This was true (CRTs having better black levels) back in the day, but not so now. Modern LCDs have better black levels then your average CRT, especially IPS or VA/MVA panels. OLED panels can even display true black, because they have the ability to turn off the backlighting on individual pixels. - refresh rate is limited to resolution. Yes, you can game @ 1024x768 / 100hz on most quality CRT monitors, but if you go higher, the max refresh will drop as the resolution increases. At 1600x1200, most CRTs will only do 85hz. This is due to a hardware limitation - the electron gun needs to draw more lines/second at a higher resolution, witch means the refresh rate will need to be lowered. - blurriness - sure CRT monitors are great @ 1024x768, or even 1280x1024 - but go any higher and you will notice a DECREASE in image sharpness. A CRT montior IS NOT AS SHARP at a higher resolution as it is at a lower one, due to the way cathode ray tube tech works, and is cause by the shadow mask - the part of the screen that reacts to the electron gun and gives off an image. This is also the reason CRTs are dimmer then LCDs. - image geometry nightmares - most CRTs had issues with correct image geometry (shape and size). Today we take this for granted - just pop your LCD out of a box, and it automatically displays a fully adjusted image that goes from edge to edge. This is not true with CRTs. They need to be adjusted - most will not fill up all of the screen space at certain resolutions, and switching resolutions will cause poor image geometry on some resolutions and correct on others. I for one do not miss CRT tech - although I collect retro hardware and have a few CRTs in my collection - witch I allmost never use, prefering good 4:3 LCD displays like the 21" Samsung 214T witch can do 1600x1200 and uses a very good looking VA LCD panel. It's a lot easier on the eyes then my IBM p275 trinitron based CRT monitor - and a lot easier on my desk.
The most impressive use of CRTs ever in my opinion, is still CRT projectors. Those gigantic monsters fascinate me. I only remember vaguely the CRT projector from my school in 1st grade before I moved, those 3 gigantic lenses mounted there were amazing really. By the way CRT projectors take the entire "non fixed resolution" up a notch - or 100 - by literally having not even a grille on front of each of the 3 CRTs that compose the picture, one for each primary color. In fact this non-fixed resolution and contrast makes the best CRT projectors still so sought after today that the 90 kilo 3x9" Sony and Barco monsters still go for a few thousands of dollars. Too bad their brightness was so low and, well, they were so insanely gigantic and hard to set (imagine the convergence of 3 CRTs optically, and electronically. I remember reading it took some seriously trained professionals to set a CRT projector).
i got tons of these things laying around but cause i like them. i had one where its soo dark couldn't see much. however unlike people who are nervous to touch them im not. ill run it with back off adjusting the flyback transformer voltage raising it up bit more (best when brightness is on max so can raise it to point its uncomfortable so can dim it down with brightness control after so have room to make it brighter without having to take back off again or for long while). darkness is due to weak tube/mask of age or in some rare cases under voltage over time causing it to go dark. raising the voltage does not harm it by any means. i usually adjust the sharpness while im there as some times they do appear ghostly and blurry. but still a big risk of shock if not careful of course ehe. but over all eh messing with them is not as bad people make it out to be, i think its just lack of knowledge how to discharge them properly before work is not on there list of priority anymore.
idk how the hell I caught this but is that anime at 5:44 Blood+???
I still use 22” IBM CRT Flat with 1080 ti, looks better than any 4K shit
GAMECUBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
don't forget PVM or BVM
Had that ViewSonic you got there, but in Black, was a good one
Curious your thoughts on the newer Benq gaming monitors? I have the 1080p 240hz model and their implementation of low persistence using a strobing backlight is pretty amazing. It's the first lcd monitor that gives the awesome low persistence of old CRT while also making the pixel response unnoticeable due to the backlight being off during the transition. I think in the "Premium" mode at 240hz the backlight is olny on for around 1 Ms per cycle.
idk but i dont like vox
I had a crt dell p1130 sold it in jan 2017 for $410
mine did 200hz at like 1600 x 1200
The snickers I get when people come to my house. I have 17 inch view sonic for my win 9x machine and my win xp machine. People think it's old junk. I also have a 36 inch trinitron for my retro consoles. I got wolfenstein 2009 for christmas and have been playing it on my xp machine fucking dope.
I agree, modern computer monitors are disappointing and boring, im currently using a tv as a display because lcd monitors have horrible contrast / color vibrancy, but the tv has a lot more lag so its far from perfect as well. Kind of interested in upgrading to an oled hdr tv as monitor but they seem to be only available in huge sizes (at least 55 inch)
the main reason why everybody went to inferior LCD was the power consumption, every single business went to cheap LCD include the old NO-LED shit, which was like less than 10 year lifetime if the capacitors aren't crap.!!!! the old CCTF will die. While a good Samsung syncmaster will do over 30 years of lifetime!.
But it’s not even 2019
The only issue and question I have is what about the scan lines I can see on my old crt? When not looking at the monitor, I see the black flashing of the monitor when looking out of the corner of my eye. Is there a setting I can change? I mean mine isn't a flat screened crt, it has the curve, but the slight flashing is what I dont like.
I'm playing Smash Ultimate on a Emachines CRT and its EYE CANDY TO THE MAX.
CRT where Nice had alot of the from a small 15" which i used for my Server up to my 21" that i used till the Powersupply failed "Exploded in Flames" and the 21" Was my Realy nice got it for free the Only downside was i had to Haul it on Feet for about 3/4 of a Mile. i was Finished after the Walk that i put it only on the Floor and didnt touch it for the next 3 Days because my Entire Body was a Bunch of Pain. i Don't Remember the Brand but it was a Beast but it handled everything i throwed at it. But i had to give it away to a Friend who needed a Big CRT since his Tube burnt out. 2 Days Later he Called and Told me that it was a Nice Screen till it was on Flames. But Yea Space and Powerconsumtion is a Problem because of that i was forced to accept Flatscreen.
ah, a fellow tenno
Trash - That is the answer - Next video.
I miss nothing about CRT monitors of yesteryear. Take off those rose colored lens, there was nothing about them great. especially once you got them larger than 17".
CRTs are one of the very few older things that just were total junk garbage, the other being old computers. Flat screen TVs are so much better, first of all they are not a huge box, and the image quality is shit. Old computers as well, they could barely do anything. I still think older cars and amplifiers are wayyyy better, as well as pretty much everything else that is vintage. Better quality and better everything back then.
75 hz has been common for AGES. I got some cheapo, non-gaming acer monitor over 5 years ago and it runs @ 75hz without overclocking. It doesn't even have hdmi.
I can't live without ultrawide anymore... I'm sorry.
What's the game title at 14:45? It seems great.
Nex Machina
Can't live without g-sync though
I still have a trinitron somewhere. It is big, 21" or so, i remember they were expensive as hell! But this one came to me after the age so it was quite a buy. Still, 40kg or so... I'll sell if somebody come pick it up! :D
I remember this old emachines I had that had a fairly large, flat front CRT screen. When I emulated NES games on it, they looked fucking stunning in full screen, I miss that.
To me it's a treasure because I still play PS1 and PS2 and the best picture and refreash rate is on crt because it was designed for it. So when I see one I snag on just in case even tho I still have some old ones that are still as new condition.
Noticed two ps2’s a sega saturn and dreamcast. Noice. Figured you for a retro gamer/collector, this just confirms it. Ha im already in the crt collective lol.
I will never get rid of my old CRT’s. How could you ever beat Tyson or the Turbo Tunnel without a crt? I have a Sony Wega Trinotron and I am looking for CRT monitors as well as pvm’s. Don’t bend to the will of these HD enthusiasts. These games were meant to be played on these screens.
I am lazy and will look it up later, but would the HDFURY X4 be a good fit for hooking up an RGBHV CRT projector to a computer? I think the line doubler thing it came with is broken, and it's huge anyway so it'd be neat to avoid it altogether.
I was a big fan of the LG 795FT 17 inch. There is a 19 inch model of it, the LG 995FT.
I'm kinda sad I got rid of my 1600x1200 20" CRT, but it was huge and heavy. It's a tradeoff
i have one like the dell you showed at 13:52
your correct crt's are faster that part of the reason the nes zapper wouldn't work
im still use a crt and im even watching this video on one
You are right about CRT's, we did get a display downgrade with LCD's, It is possible these days to get some very expensive LCD's that are very close to what CRT's used to do in terms of brightness, input lag, etc. But we are only just barely getting there now. HOWEVER! LCD's did enable screen shapes and sizes which were completely impossible on CRT's. Such as currently I am using a screen which is over 4 feet wide, has a 1ms response time, and runs at 144Hz, and approaches the color levels of a good CRT. But it was expensive to get this, the one I own has a list price of $1,100.00. But it is nicely curved toward the user (something impossible on CRT's), and only weights around 40 pounds, (the same size CRT would have weighed closer to a hundred pounds or more)
Tech was shittier but more interesting in the 90s. If you go to a tech show now it's mostly smartphone cases and phone gadgets. In the 90s there were robots, lasers, cyborgs, airships, hoverboards, holograms, x-ray vision, AI, CRT, and VR except none of it worked well or at all sometimes but it was exciting!
yeAH i DO NOT REMEMBER THE BRAND OR NAME OF THE MONITOR i HAD BUT IT WAS HUGE, FLAT SCREEN, CRYSTAL CLEAR, GREAT COLOURS AND VERY HIGH REFRESH RATE... oops capslock, Anyway I still miss that monitor to this day and its a shame it blew with a big time BANG!, I am currently Running a 1440P IPS widescreen display "Asus VX24A" , sharpest flat panel I have ever had and I would dare say would give a lot of the high end CRT monitors a run for there money when it comes to colour reproduction... the damn thing best do since its full sRGB compliant.
A CRT is an electron accelerator, they don't actually have pixels, they are extremely inefficient, they are blurry. You're making the same sort of argument that "audiophiles" make with the supposed superiority of vinyl records over CDs. I used to work for RCA. Audiophiles don't know what they are talking about when they discuss audio quality, and you don't know what you're talking about when you are claiming a CRT is underappreciated compared to it's completely digital counterparts.
EposVox A quick question, aside from response time and input lag, how does a CRT monitor compare to a VA LCD monitor?
I live in a small apartment with an extra room which my wife suggested be dedicated to my collection. I'm nothing close to rich. But hey, congrats on handling your own insecurities by being negative and toxic about other people's passions! That'll get you far in life!
CRTs are awesome. Just gotta say that.
3 things. Black levels Response Time MOTION clarity Higher refresh rates are helping, but sample and hold sucks ass for providing the smooth as better motion that CRTs offer. There are some solutions such as hardware backlight strobing and software black frame insertion, but they rely heavily on the application having specific, tight framerate and frametimes, and they also tend to drastically lower the brightness. I miss playing horror games where a pitch dark scene was actually black. I also would like to emulate old sonic games without my eyes bleeding.
I used to have an old 32 inch ericcson crt, that thing was pretty awesome, but unfortunately the ray tube was quite worn down and it soon gave up the ghost :/ 60hz on crt's was absolute torture though.
Oh, nice video. I love CRTs, me my brother and cousing built a retro LAN a couple years ago and we found some guy selling 17' LG flatron CRTs for about 5 dollars each. We got 10 of then for our lan. Worth every penny. Nothing beats playing quake on a crt. 800x600 100hz. Pure gold. My LCD at home can't touch those crts.
What is the game at 16:35?
Pokemon Colosseum on the Gamecube, followed by Warframe on PC back at the desk
I have had soo many CRTs... nice ones too. A few flat screens too... I wish I had kept every single one. Same with keyboards.
I had 2x 22" Iiyama vision master Flattrons side by side and loved them. i have no idea why i sold them, i ran them at 1600x1200 but I probably won't get back to CRT, maybe a TV for retro consoles. Some old games do not support wide screen so i still have a square 1600x1200 lcd screen. the reason i won't get a CRT anymore is because most have probably screen burn or faint colours. or you should find a new old stock.
I have a Hitachi SuperScan Elite 20. A 20 inch beast that's works great and is heavy as hell!
low resolution monitors could make a comeback.... if they were $20 and thin and flexible. The shitty quality would be permissable, they'd get used for like signage with a retro look... kind of like how people put of fairy lights and stuff. Honestly having a 640 x 480 12 inch 20 dollar panel that wasnt very good would be pretty sweet to just stick wherever. PUT IT IN A ZIPLOCK WATCH SEINFELD IN THE SHOWER
It was a sad day when my crt died.. and they no longer made them :(
got a beige dell trinitron waiting to be used for my win98 gaming pc !!! love crts :)
You can see the individual red green and blue stripes... Things are very blurry! Though I will admit, a cathode ray tube based display is an interesting bit of tech. If you are smart, you can use them as a weapon to defend your house. I wouldn't recommend it though. It might explode, or the cops will decide to have a talk with you about public safety. Honestly don't modify a CRT display to protect your home. The only way you should use it to defend your home is to modify it to jump scare unwanted visitors at the push of a button. Have a screaming evil duck scare away any attackers. Harmless, unless they are prone to heart problems. On second thought just don't do it...
They're not garbage, it's just their ports are outdated for modern adapters...
I had a crt for 15 years and now the plastic just crumbles when i touch it lol, i do not miss the heat that used to emit from the crt like a mini nuclear power station, put sun cream on when using CRT's
I have a CRT monitor that has BNC inputs on the back. I attached BNC - RCA inputs so I can connect component cables to it, but it has a green tint when I play games. What will I need to get around this?
The only reason why i use glasses now
This is the first (of many) In 2019 videos I have seen.
It would be cool if CRTs were servicable and you could somehow replace the phosphors that wear out over time.
Nope, don't miss my massive radiating desk weight. Was an early adopter of lcds.
so youtube recommended I watch this... and I don't even know what I did to offend it.
r00d
Pretty good video aside from leaving out a comparison between shadow mask and aperture grille, what a pain-in-the-ass adjusting the geometry on flat CRTs is, and not bringing up various reddit communities for buying, selling, and discussing CRT monitors.
I miss the old days of playing no$gba games and F.E.A.R. on my bulky CRT monitor. Too bad I sold it a long time ago :( Nice Hayley Williams wallpaper btw on 6:54 :D
I love CRTs and I wish they still made new ones since they wear out. Actually I want to see how much better they could make them with modern technology because I'm sure they could do far better now, when they were already better in many regards. Actually most people got rid of them for their size when flatscreens first were coming out their image quality was worse in every way. Also people just like flatscreens more even if the image quality isn't better, they seem cooler. Similarly for plasma TVs, they had the best picture quality of anything, but not enough people bought them because people didn't want the best image. They wanted the biggest cheapest TV.
In the 90s to early 2000s my work used to use CRTs that ran at 2048x2048, cost something like 50K each from Barco. Very difficult to maintain the monitors had to be professionally calibrated on install which took a fair bit of work. The graphics cards to drive that resolution were prohibitively expensive as well.
It uses a lot more electricity compared to these lcd. It appears that electricity costs are of no concern to you though, but they do exist.
CRTs do have a native resolution but as the image is not created by precisely targeting each pixel you can set pretty much any resolution you want - but it does NOT and CAN NOT display any higher resolutions. What happens is simply that because it is an analog signal the image in essence gets downsampled by the screen it self - just that here it is a physical downsampling due to the actual physical object and not down in software. I have had quit a few high quality CRTs to work with, even going over 2200x1600. They are nice and good quality ones have a good dynamic range, but any half decent HullHD monitor beats them in clarity. For non-native resolutions on TFT and other modern displays it really depends on what you are using for the scaling. Many monitors have rather abysmal scalers that look like crap. heck - i even saw a cheap Display used in a shop for advertisement that used nearest neighbour.... And input-delay ..... Analog displays have input delay - and a lot more than you might expect simply cause of the way the image is created on them. The beam is travelling from top to bottom, drawing each line from left to right - and there comes the delay. The top left corner gets draw at the start of the frame, the middle half way through it and the bottom right at the end of the frame. If the display is running at say 60 Hz that gives the bottom right corner a delay of ~16 ms, the middle of the screen is at around 8 ms. Modern monitors (specially for gaming) typically have lower delay than that. TVs typically have a gaming-mode as they otherwise use a lot of postprocessing cause the very notion of delay is irrelevant to a movie - but at standard-settings it can be as bad as 300 ms. PC-monitors can have anywhere from as low as 4ms to 100 ms delay - really depends on the model and settings - yes - they can have lower delay than CRTs.
no, they are useless, stop.
i've owned the sony gdm fw900 and i still love crt monitors i recently just a few days sold my last fw900, i now use a sony af8 oled tv which i believe is good enough to replace crt doesn't mean i don't miss those crts. i made a video on it many times this is my latest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUooqpZBw-k
trinitron tv also has a good qlity
If anything I like my tube computer monitors for the longevity.
@EposVox do you have an FW900 to demo or make a video with yet? Is it possible to help you with that?
If you want, shoot me an email adam@eposvox.com
+EposVox maybe can PM idk what area you are in.
I have yet to find a working one in my area
in 2029 there will still be some weirdos claiming CRT are still the best !!!
when going back and forth between 144hz lcd and 144hz crt, its the no motion blur that really sets them apart, then input lag the second. I was so sad to find out when i bought a 1080 that it did not work properly with my crt :( Its just the recent years lcd`s have catched up, beeing able to do high hz,high res,low input lag,good colors and black level all in one, theyr still pricey tho. I was only 5 minutes too slow to get a fw900 cheap, it was so sad :D Also extra personal input : anything less then 80 hz is annoying , high resolution crt are not nearly as sharp(altho this has its benefits on lower res), and the brightness if placed in a bright room is never enough, and you need to do some math to figure out your max hz possibilitys, which you can only acheive by using custom resolution and hz utility.
I still have samsung 959nf flatscreen in my closet, specs 1920 x 1440 at 73 Hz . Got to try that some day. But I have GTX 1070Ti so....just sold my GTX970.
If they are so great, why isn't Hollywood using them in production houses?
You're very much missing the point. I'm clearly talking about consumer hardware here and asking why $10000+ level LCDs are better than 20 year old tech when I'm talking about consumer monitors is just being pedantic. Obviously the hardware they have access to (and still applies to high end broadcast/production displays) are leagues ahead of what anyone had/has at home. And if nothing else they switched for further compatibility/upgrading to HD era formats - of which CRTs had very little support. A few of the BVMs/PVMs did 1080i but nothing beyond that.
+EposVox If that is so, why did the industry adopt the switch in 2007 to such huge success, that SONY couldn't keep up with production demands of their first generation BVM LCD monitors? Why would Discovery Channel along with dozens of post-production houses make such a costly upgrade to their technologies on the first generation of broadcast LCDs in 2007 if CRTs are so overwhelmingly better? High-end video made the switch 12 years ago and never looked back. I would rather buy a 12-year-old gen. 1 BVM LCD than a 13-year-old BVM CRT, and I certainly would rather buy a gen. 3 or 4 broadcast monitor to any CRT ever built.
They did up until ~2010 when LCD equivalent PVMs came onto the market (costing $10K+). Some local broadcast stations/studios still use PVM CRTs and DV/mini-DV era cameras.
Anybody want a working Mitsubishi 40" direct view (CRT) TV? It has composite and S-Video inputs for your gaming use. No burn in on screen at all.
Even CRT has its lag as it refreshes image top to bottom every 1/"refresh rate" of the second. There doesn't exist anything with 0 lag. In this way, any LCD with lag lower than 5ms is already superior to ordinary CRT. One of the easy searches on google: https://www.resetera.com/threads/crts-have-8-3ms-of-input-lag-addressing-a-common-misconception-about-display-latency.40628/
I agree monitor technology has progressed far too slowly (still been waiting for about 3 years now on 200+ Hz 1440p ultrawides!). But we are finally to a point now where the advantages in input lag are pretty much negligible. And now the higher resolutions, sizes, and refreshes are well worth the trade off.
are there any companies in the world that still make crt’s?
Viewsonic GS790 had 1600x1200 @75Hz... was a really, really great monitor with DEEP BLACKS... I then bought a really good 2560x1440, IPS panel and thought it must be BROKEN when the color looked like SHIT compared to my CRT that was at least 12-years-old at that time... turns out that with the exception of OLED (which aren't in the desktop monitor space yet) nothing beats a CRT even still for deep blacks etc, though of course other issues exist like widescreen ratio, size, flatness.. even QLED (which is still based on an LCD panel) HDR monitors still don't match a good CRT in some respects.
one of the best CRT monitors ever made was the Radius Press View 21SR with it's insane color depth and brightness calibration capabilities. Good luck finding one, they retailed for a shocking $3000 and I have only ever heard of about 2 or 3 come for for sale in the last 10 years.
I haven't seen a desk made in the last 15 years that was capable of supporting the weight of my old Sony 21 inch CRT, AKA "the chiropractor's new holiday house" I do miss the suntan I used to get off of it though but I definitely don't miss the old 60hz flicker from Windows default and cheap office monitors.
It was funny when people were flipping out about 1080. Computer users were like: welcome to 1995 where 1024 x 768 was normal.
1080 is 1920 x 1080 so 2.6 times as many pixels.
Translation: I was using CRTs before it was cool and this Pokemon hat is totally ironic. Really though, CRTs are problematic. I'm using the Apollo dyskey display for my gaming needs until oled monitors without burn in problems become a thing. Who need actual graphics anyway? I can see the fps of the game I'm theoretically playing on a retro ETL-ish display; that's all we really care about right? Send from iPhone™
+EposVox Pikachu is adorable as hell
Pokemon hat isn't ironic, Pichu is adorable as hell. And CRTs are not problematic aside from environmental issues of disposing them, as addressed in the video - which getting more people to use them again would actually help slow down. All the radiation/hurting eyes/etc. nonsense was all false/proven wrong/debunked long since.
lol this is dumb.. I guess you have the right to like old shit. But even people that liked the old mustang 67 have moved on to the new Challenger hellcat or challenger demon.
down vote because the create is too stupid get the year he is making the video right, very disrespectful.
It was literally 3 days before 2019 so any advice within this video would apply to people in 2019, not 2018. Unlike "the best X of 2019" which can't be true, this video is something you should actually consider in the year 2019. But hey, downvoting a video because you don't understand how time works and insulting the creator of the video is far more disrespectful than anything that could've been in the title - so I guess that last bit was describing yourself!
I still have and use a Delta Electronics/Digiview DC-770 from 1997
Quality will always hold value. There will always be a few diehard holdouts with more money then sense but eventually lcd will win the war. That is, until space based micro crts get made.
I kept a 15" Mitsubishi Diamond Flat Screen CRT monitor for my Dreamcast which had a stunning image. I can't wait to be able to take it out of storage and fire it up again as it's by far the best way to enjoy Dreamcast.
For some reason i HATE your voice! I think its because it reverbs to much or you sound like you are trying to "fry" your voice. Sound doesnt seem to "be from" the actual video sounds dubbed in a way.
+EposVox I probably the way you are speaking "reading cue cards" or such, that makes sound weird to Me. Its Great audio by the way!
very odd
i still have a my first crt, i wan to use it for emulation and old games but i don't have the space for it, though i tested the resident evil remake on it and i look so good on it
I still my Hansol 920P 19inch CRT Monitor in storage.
One man advert band.
My 32 inch sony 1080p crt tv weighed 260 lbs. It had hdmi, and would do anything from 640x480 to 1920x1080@60fps. I let someone use it and their house burned down with the T.V. inside, the bastards.
Still have my Viewsonic PT775, noticed the PS775 in the video. It does indeed look a lot better than any LCDs I have, but the tradeoff of size and being 4:3 means I won't be trading my 4k LCD for it any time soon.
I went to a local government tax office recently. One of the rooms had about 6 desks with PCs all with some type of DELL CRT monitor. Quite large too, I think they were around 24 inches. I was so tempted to ask to buy one form the, but as they are government property I doubt they would have said yes. The last CRT monitor I had was back in...2001-2002. I don't even remember what it was, but it was most likely a Sony model. While I do have strong nostalgia with them, using computers since the early 80s, I can't say I was ever THAT crazy with them due to the limitations/negatives they have. There was a strange period between 2002 and 2006 (IIRC) where the TFT monitors were meh at best, unless you wanted to pay crazy amount of money. Now days...I don't see myself going back to a CRT. One thing that I do miss though, and not just for monitors, is the variety of design and COLORS. I am so SICK of black black black BLACK BLACK BLACK on every single consumer electronic out there. The few times I can find something in different color, it's either sold out or crap to begin with. Case in point, I am looking for a new keyboard for weeks, all of them are black on black. I do not want black keyboard, I do not want black keys. DAMN IT. There are non black keyboards but the vast variety are cheap POS products. Monitors too. While technically I am not right now looking to buy one, I do look at them from time to time and they are all black, with a handful of silver (LG and AOC) exceptions and even rarer white monitors. So sick of this.
I have a big Packard Bell CRT monitor with built in speakers and subwoofer in it's stand! ☺ It can't fit in my corner computer desk because of it's size! But I won't replace it even if I buy a new computer! ☺
Still using a 23 inch crt I got with my first self bought pc back in 99...why...cos it works and no point in my eyes replacing while it still works
Im used 100 HZ CRT untill LCD started using 120 Hz full HD displays ..... People thought im was crazi but damn the smoothness !!!! Imagine 100 Hz in 60 hz ERA!!! Everybody was shocked about game smoothness.... :)
My only real experience with CRT innards is with arcade monitors and TVs. To me the biggest hurdle to repairing any of these things is there are soooo many models. With the old arcade monitors the number of models are fairly limited, with many of them having full schematics as well as things like new fly-back converts still being manufactured in China. Good luck finding that kind of stuff for later era CRT computer monitors.
Time traveler?
5:28 did I see a Green Ham Gaming logo? 8-)
I'm old enough to have grown up with CRTs. Yes, they had good refresh rates, response time, and resolutions. But they somehow still didn't manage to look as good to my eyes, I think it had something to do with looking through a thick layer of glass that also had a higher tendency to have a slight frosty glare, you could just tell the glass was there, hard to explain. With an LCD the text on a screen almost appears like there is no layer in front of it, almost like you could touch it, we're all used to it now but look at a CRT sometime and you might notice that layer of glass in front of everything. All I know is that as soon as I had my first LCD at 18 years old (19" 4:3 60hz 1280x960) I never looked back. Also, at the time I didn't even notice the refresh rate cap at all, it wasn't until I had it for a little while I learned that just because the fps might say 90 fps, I wasn't really seeing 90 fps. Another downside of CRTs is eye strain, I remember getting hooked on Diablo 2 back in the day, and back then playing for three or four hours straight without stopping was considered a lot, and in that amount of time your eyes would be in quite a lot of pain, this has never happened to me on an LCD. Then there is the desk space issue of course, many people were forced to sit them diagonally on their desks so they wouldn't be sitting too close to their screen, of course this can be fixed with a larger desk, but let's be realistic not everyone was able to for one reason or another, or just never got around to it. The one downside I immediately noticed on my first LCD was how it looked like garbage in non native resolutions. I was always used to adjusting my resolution on my CRT to get a good framerate on a game, it was the most important graphics option at the time, once I had an LCD I was forced to leave this option alone. That was the only real downside I remember being a big enough downside to notice.
When I recorded a video of how to play Misty using my alternative tuning, I wanted a monitor to make sure the guitar neck stayed consistently in frame. The little $40 camera I used for the overhead shot had a composite output, and my only smallish LCD television was wall-mounted, so I used my old mid-1980s Commodore 1902 monitor, which is visible in frame. I don't know that I'll use it in future videos (the audio quality I can get at the local library's Studio 300 is so much better than what I get at home, and hauling a tube-type monitor seems a bit awkward) but I still get a smile from immortalizing my 1902.
i'd rather emulate and add scanlines. looks better, cos of better brightness and black levels.
They just don't build monitors to last, these days. I've still got a Belinea 22' CRT from 2004 (2048 x 1536 @75 Hz) in the attic, that I can almost guarantee will still work. Since around 2008, when I finally switched to over LCD's, I've had a total of 3 monitors die on me (the last one died back in May, I'm now on my forth). Each and every time that I've had a LCD monitor die, I've ended up dragging 'Old reliable' out of the attic for a few weeks, dusting it down and using it until I've saved up enough, for a new LCD. I've honestly gotta say, when games are set at full resolution, It still looks pretty impressive today. (although it takes a few hours getting used to the screen curvature and the narrow 4:3 ratio, again)
CRTs are great! I love working on them. My channel is all about CRTs and Sony PVMs mostly
+Dana Vixen that's what I'm trying to avoid... these peeps still see better than average thankfully
Should have gone to specsavers
Specifically, a CRT has no processing or frame buffer for the analog input. The signal is directly fed to the neckboard and scanned by the electron gun.
For video games with timing sensitive inputs (FPS, Smash Bros, etc) it has a very meaningful purpose.
I use CRTs for their usefullness in ways that LCDs cannot replicate quite yet. I don't collect for the sake of collecting. As soon as another technology can replicate those features there would quite frankly be no valid use for them, to me. I do know some people that have serious rose colored lenses for CRTs when there is no need, kinda like people that still swear by vinyl records, as an example.
+Troy Davis Jr Ya but you are also over exaggerating their usefulness. I forgot that their might be collectors that believe what they want to believe. I am sure in another 20 years we will get to the point where all the free tub tv’s you see on craigslist will be gone and you will have people talking about them the same way.
Makes you really think about the use of things right? I try to consider things and think outside of the box. You never know when something may have a practical benefit.
The *best* part of owning a CRT was the absolute certainty that the wind will never slam a door shut that has a CRT stopping it, they're also great at making sure that your ocean liner won't float away.
+Lysol ! wtf dude I was literally thinking of this 5 min ago!
Someone make small program that will mimic the degauss please!
but if you pressed it too much, you'd get brain damage
+Troy Davis Jr OLED pixel speed is 0.01ms ( response time ) this is 1000 faster than LCD also CRT won't give you a better numbers , too bad your Leobodnar tester not worked ( I have it too but not have CRT to try ) , CRT screen is very fast but can't say this about its image processing when you on high resolution, try to put a black paper with a hole on white test area in dark room , maybe sensor will see it. CES19 next week ! hope to see OLED 4K @ 120hz asap :) HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
Your OLED tv still has poor motion resolution compared to a CRT, but 1080p@120hz is pretty nice on an OLED.
"but It could go up to 2048x1536@67Hz or thereabouts. Clearly unbearable, but good for short photoshop/cad/paint stints." XDDDD What a joke, no sane person would ever do that. And you know why? Cause CRTs same as any TFT have a native resolution and if you set it to anything higher all you get is just downsampling. Always funny to see people talk so much while knowing so little.
I didn't fully switch to LCD till 2013. Input latency and 60hz still drives me nuts when gaming-it was like relearning to sim-race and play FPS games (at the time high refresh LCDs were $$$ and TN panels with bad color/contrast) One plus to LCD, is even running 6 of them, they use 1/3 the power as 3 trinitrons.
+A. Snatcher *"
+zen strata I've seen C.R.T. projection screens, that curve the screen, towards the viewer.
+fuzzywzhe
Great, now I miss my old CRT monitor. Now that I think about it, I know why I'm even more pale than I used to be. No more monitor tan!
it's great living in the past and all.. i am also an 80ies kid.. but using all that more power in this day and age is contributing to fucking the planet. there should be tax on shit like this
I'd rather help keep these very dangerous things from ending up in dumps or in the actual environment.
RIP my old iiyama Vision Master Pro 19" Aperture Grille monitor. Best monitor I ever owned
I,have two 19 inch iiyamas doing noting one is a trinitron tube un usued becaus ei can see the flickers unless at 85 htz
Dude, you have an awesome old-school DJ voice.
Haha thanks!
I miss my aoc spectrum 7klr. Got almost a decade of use out of it before it finally died. it was rated at 75hz @ 1600x1200 but with some tweaks it would function perfectly fine at 85hz. I still have a viewsonic a90f+ that works. But it's collecting dust atm since I haven't had a dvi or vga gpu for several years.
I remember using a HP 17" CRT monitor in like 2002, I threw many of them away it's kinda silly when you can't have your desk against a wall cause the CRT monitor sticks out 1-2 feet from the back of the screen(touches back wall). There is NO point in ever buying/using a CRT in 2019(Stupid video). We now have high quality 21:9 ultrawide IPS monitors with better refresh rates & better color/brightness!
I picked up a Sony Trinitron CRT TV left outside of a neighbors driveway a few years ago. It works great and I love playing my retro consoles on it.
Well i still use an old crt display
I'll have the 2048x1536 @ 60hz, please, thank you the late '90s.
As a vintage TV collector (mostly 40's-70's stuff) I can definitively say CRT monitors are user serviceable. If you are the type of person that can scratch build a PC or replace parts on your car, have a technical mind, and have patience for some detective work and learning to solder then you can absolutely service one of these beasts. As for voltage dangers they exist but if you bother to learn a bit you realize they are minor...The highest voltage in a solid state set that can harm someone (who does not have a heart condition) is the line voltage from the wall it is plugged into (or in some cases 2X that if there is a step up trans or voltage doubler). That voltage charges a capacitor that can store it for a few hours after unplugged...If you unplug all cables from your monitor and let it sit for 1-3 days none of the caps should retain enough charge to do harm....Yes I know a CRT usually has around 25KV DC on it's side anode connector but with the set running that is only designed to produce about 1mA but it takes 30mA to kill (voltage does not kill it is current that kills), and yes the CRT has an integrated capacitor that stores some charge at that voltage, but again not a lethal level...I've taken shocks from the HV connector on a CRT it is slightly worse than the meanest static shock you can get shuffling on carpet and touching a doorknob in a dry climate...The key for safety is to not touch the stuff inside within at least a day after it was plugged in...Atleast until you know the circuit theory and know what not to touch (a schematic diagram for your model monitor will be a good guide) and or how to quickly do a safe manual bleed off of stored charges. Common failure points are typically electrolytic capacitors (ever heard of cap plague?...All caps get it eventually with age), sometimes they will take out resistors, transistors and ICs when they fail so look for why that resistor turned to soot before powering back on or your replacement likely will turn to soot too. You can keep a good design running for your lifetime if you know what you are doing, but there are some end of the road issues for monitors though. If the CRT emission has been depleted that is the end of the road (unless you have a lower spec monitor with the same part number in it)...The EposVox's CRT in the poorly working monitor is on it's way to depletion, but might not be dead yet...Sometimes the internal setup adjustments (sometimes hidden in service menus rather than as controls inside the back) like G2 and video gain, brightness limit, etc have enough range to get a bright properly color balanced image out of a weak CRT (if they don't then it is the end). Also some IC's were custom made for the model and are no longer available (though many were easy to find generic), and there can be other NLA parts as well... There are many repair forums for TVs such as Videokarma.org as well as some dedicated to monitors where help and knowledge can be found.
I have a mess load of these.
My Dell 24" LCD monitor is DVI or VGA. I had to use a HDMI to DVI converter.
Hey, european here- Could I use a widescreen CRT TV and hook up my VGA signals to it's SCART port or something like that without dropping resolutions? Do I have good resolutions on a CRT TV anyhow/does it stay as sharp?
Yet GoG won't touch the MechWarrior series :(
My problem with CRTs is that they emit an extremely obnoxious high-pitched noise that makes it impossible for me to use them. It just gets too annoying and I can hear it so well that I can sometimes hear them from >30 metres away (eg when used in a museum). I always go like 'Oh, there is a CRT around' and everyone is like 'how did you know that?'.
I had a mint condition Gateway Vivitron monitor that I had since the 90s. I was forced to give it away about 10 years ago. It was one of the saddest days of my life :( I still have my old Zenith color TV with turn knobs from the 80s though. That's going to be used for my retro gaming stuff on consoles
or just run 800x600 at 160hz with tons of AA to make up for the low res
If you have the specs, it's important to go for a low number on the dot pitch to avoid a screen door effect some cheaper brands out. .28 or under is usually good. Avoid .32 and above.
i tought u were Linus with a beard...
I had a 17" Sony Trinitron CRT monitor from the late 1990's I paid $600 for. I sold it to my mom many years ago for a song. A few years ago, I asked to buy it back. She said she left it outside in the rain and threw it out.
I got a pretty modern CRT from grandma that could run 150hz @1280x1024. Lets just say that the experience was amazing. Too bad that it started smelling burned dust after beeing turned on for a while :/
Great video, my roommates can pry my Sony Trinitron's from my cold dead hands, power consumption be damned.
Crt? Juck... There's a reason we all threw that shit out...
The first time I used a colour flat screen monitor was in 1991 on a LAN analyser. The lag was horrible, but it was an appropriate solution for that bit of kit. On the desktop I preferred CRT monitors until what I considered decent flat screen monitors came out, about 12 years ago. Back then there was much talk of bad pixels on monitors, but we don't hear so much of it now. I had a CCFL flat screen monitor that failed and couldn't be repaired, there and again I had a couple of 21" CRT monitors which failed and couldn't be repaired. The LCD lit ones I've bought since have proven much more reliable, much more compact and we have the march of progress. We get better at making things. I can see the interest in CRT monitors at several levels. For instance they contain some tasty fly-back transformers and EHT diodes and capacitors, if you can pick up one junked and are interested in that sort of thing. Then there's their place in the history of technology. They might even be an investment; consider the prices pre-war TVs go for. I started programming using Hollerith cards which spawned fun stories younger programmers enjoyed, but actually, they weren't much fun to use. This video also reminds me of the new found interest in vinyl audio. It had a lot of problems back in the day; the discs were expensive, easily damaged and often faulty when you bought them. Not many could afford a system to get the best out of them. When CDs got a hold in the late 80s an audiophile told me that a CD player feeding a decent hi-fi system sounded like a perfect record played though a very good system but definitely lacked assertion and definition in presentation. Right.
you have emule ! the like is served, sir
I held onto CRT TVs for a long time. My last two CRT TVs were German models called Lowes (LooVah). They were doing 100hz back in the 90s. Amazing picture but they both died at about the same time. Got a Samsung LED and haven't looked back.
I remember when I used CRT monitors my eyes suffered a lot. After a while my eyes started really hurting. Never had that after switching to LCD.
thank God CRTs are gone
I had to use one in school. The flickering made me sick.
Degaussing was so fun back in the day!
(16:20) It's isn't necessary to place a "FREE" sign on things. Legally anyone can take anything left out on the curb.
Does any body else feel like an electron wind is blasting their consiousness out of their noodle while sitting gripping the desk in front of one of these powerhouses?
It's interesting how stuff that was before my time (or at my time but passed me by) I'm interested in and it has a cool vintage aura about it. On the other hand CRT monitors I fully grew up with, and I mostly remember the negatives. Other than the crap colors early TN panels had, I have no major issues with lag or resampling. All I remember is non-uniform focus across the non-rectangular picture on a huge, hot hunk of a device that looses all the shadows after 5 years of use. Those top of the line models that at some point could be had for cheap is not what most people had in from of them.
I don't look at CRTs with rose-tinted nostalgia like you do. They were bulky (yet very small screen real estate wise), noisy (I still remember the buzzing), zapped you on occasion (Oh, I'm sorry I accidentally touched my monitor), and completely fucked your eyes, not to mention burn ins and tubes slowly dying, making the monitors dimmer and dimmer. I don't have to explain how energy inefficient they were (my current monitors use about 5w each). VGA is not a superior standard in any shape or form and the image is visually poorer than its digital brethren. No matter what converter you choose, it's going to downgrade the signal even further, altering colours, or making the image blurrier. There are a lot of monitors today that are 1ms and 144hz+ and are fairly cheap - they offer a better image quality overall. Most modern monitors worth their salt start at 200-300 nit brightness, not 100. What I'm trying to get at is that these technologies are obsolete for a reason, no matter what your rose-tinted perception says.
My Philips 109 B5 is a Power House and i love it! and it's Flat ; )
Exactly what i am looking for and what i want to show my Friends. THX! p.s: CRT was and is better for my eyes than a LCD with background eye killer
I definitely don't miss the size... My last CRT was a ViewSonic 19" that did 1600X1200@75Hz... Still taking up space on a shelf in the garage. I still enjoy the extra 12"+ of desk space I gained when it got replaced with an LCD back in 2006. I've used only IPS LCD monitors since then and I'd be curious to pull out the old CRT to compare color reproduction now since I do remember being disappointed with LCD color reproduction initially.
I just threw away my Sony FW900
WHAT WHY
um they are 100% the same they all convert input to RGB to display anything the controller can have whatever inputs you want eg analog/digital etc etc
nope that's not how technology works
Personally, I wish they'd make 16x9 CRT monitors.
They made a couple at the end of their life
make a CRT size greater than 20" ? then maybe. no fucking way am i buying a monitor under 34" ever again.
In my opinion, the TV's from then looked very well and made any game look better, they seemed to get a fog like 3d layer in front of them quite fast which made everything look better and more realistic. when the TV I used for gaming died and I moved to for that time high end 2k monitor everything looked way less nice.
I had a decent crt monitor and a TV, I would have kept at least one of them if I could, but I had to move far away and I dropped them off at a recycling centre :(
I used to have a high-end sony monitor. Could do 1154x862 @ 110hz. Far superior to any LCD that was produced at a time, with gorgeous color accuracy and vibrance. It was heavy AF though.
Mitsubishi 2070SB here. It is worth mentioning that marketing behind LCDs and greed of manufacturers killed proper screen technologies that were supposed to replace CRT while LCD was just a stopgap solution before FED and SED were ready.
Anyone that used large specialized "Trinitron" style 4:3 CRTs in the 90s remember the four main disadvantages. #1 Cost #2 Footprint size #3 Weight #4 Brightness controls. Everything else is negotiable based on need. A lot of people forget that there were CRTs that displayed resolutions well above UXGA (1600x1200) but were completely impractical for computers of the day, either due to required processing power for applications, or cost.
now im pissed of that i dont searched for a crt monitor for my plannet arcade carbinet.
i miss my old gateway 19" crt it got submerged in a flood. it had a DVI input.
Nice video!
Been dying to find a CRT monitor or TV at a reasonable price! Need one for my arcade cabinet and retropie setup. LCD is just not authentic.
i love this video. dude you know what you are talking about. i have a bunch of15" CRT TVs all found in the dumpster diving. i would love a monitor
like just for the star trek reference haha
By the turn of the century, the best CRTs were pushing past 1280x1024 (or the aspect-correct version, 1280x960); so anything less than 1920x1080 was considered a downgrade anyway.
+EposVox got any17 inch CRT computer monitors. Any Brand will do
Can you give me a monitor and a pc with mise and keyboard plz
I still use a CRT monitor and I'm looking for more incase mine goes out and needs repairs
ur not real for sure. how good text does show on crt vs. lcd/led? im sorry but lcd/led is sharper and no need for lower resolutions. and also crts make a high pitched noise when turning on. THAT KILLS ME! and there are curved lcd/led screens out there. CRTs take up more room and are heavier. and remember crts are ONLY for 8 bit computer testing/working. and also lcd/led screens have higher fps than CRTs do.
crt is 29.95 fps.
+EposVox Oh sorry, that might be for old cameras. (I have years that i've seen that)
...no? That's not how CRTs work.
How are you able to film the CRT screen with the camera without seeing the scan lines? Every single video I saw that showed a CRT monitor you could see the scan line moving from the camera.
Just a matter of matching up shutter speed to the screen and getting is synced up
Last time I used a CRT monitor it sucked realllll bad..
Just a suggestion, but if you want people to take you seriously, take off the silly Pikachu hat. Not only is it really immature (sorry if that offends you, but it is a cartoon mouse) but the way you wear it looks like nobody ever taught you how to dress. I'm not *trying* to be mean, but I understand that I am probably coming across that way. Just trying to help. Good luck.
Pichu is adorable AF and Pokemon directly ties into the retro themeing/branding. Wearing it "that way" looks pretty dang douche-y, I completely agree - but a necessary step to have on-camera without totally shadowing my face. Trying something, but being closed off to have Pokemon on camera (i'm talking about 20 year old computer monitors of all things, lighten up) is on you, not me. Gotta have fun and personality or there's no point. I'll never quiet down my personality because some rando hates Pokemon.
Nice video. I'm still using a Diamondtron VX920 and don't own an LCD monitor. I recently managed to find a brand new sealed GTX 980 so I can continue to game on it without having to deal with using an active adapter. I love the flexibility for classic games and new games still look pretty good. If monitor prices continue to drop, I'm hoping to get a 27" 1440p 144hz IPS, but I will definetly keep this monitor around as long as it works properly.
Back in the day, when I only could afford CRTs, I truly wanted one of those hot new 19" LCD monitors. Now I hunt high and low for a good CRT. So far, no luck. :/
idk how you actually get CRTs to do all those resolution/refresh rate tricks, but wouldn't mind a tutorial
i had 21 inch crt which i got for free back in days i called him fat pig but it was awesome in that time
I got myself a Commodore 1084S monitor, but it didn't come with a VGA cable, how do I use it?
If you can't win games on a computer with a screen doing 120fps, just accept you're not as good as the other players in the game. CRT had its day LCD is the way.
That's... not how high refresh works
I ran a pair of IBM C220p (22" Trinitron's) until way too recently. I was strongly considering getting rid of them (they are in my storage room) but this video made me decide to hold on to them a bit longer.
is that Nex Machina @14:45? back in the day i had a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 920 19" and a 21 inch Nokia flatscreen they weighed a ton just found a Sony GDM-FW900 24" Flat Screen 16:10 Trinitron CRT PC Monitor PVM BVM RGB on Ebay uk for £1000 eeeeeeeeeek
It is!
This guy really likes his CRT's
I have yet to see a LCD/oled/HDR monitor which is better than my 21' iiyama CRT monitor. But perhaps next year, when 'quantum dot' monitors come of age.
ONLY if it’s a 21” SUN CRT That has the comp outputs on the back! I used one of those from 1998 until 2006 when it finally died! As far as CRTs went it was the best monitor I ever had, After that I bought a 42 inch HD TV and I have been using those every since I am on my third one now... 50 inch LG plasma TV even, But I got it for really cheap from letgo
GHG Clip
CRTs can still have faster frames then any flat panel. Waits for them to try that sometime soon in current tv tech.
Why did plasma not stick around? I still have one and it has a beautiful picture.
I found some 22" 1440p crt trinitron monitors with a 75hz refresh rate in the trash last year in the trash. They are awesome
I've wanted a good crt for a looong time
"Jordet stikkontakt skal benyttes når apparatet tilkobles dataen" Yes i like me some sneaky norwegian here an there.
Retro games look like shit on modern LCD/LED displays. Are there manifacturers that still produce CRT TVs?
I had my old Dell Trinitron P1130 well into the LCD take over in the late 2000's, upgrading to my first 1080p TN lcd was an actual downgrade in quality, wish i had kept it but it was too big, but today im very happy with my 40inch-4k monitor.
I picked up a few that people were throwing away on trash day. Most are 17 inch. One of them died. I looked inside but I don't know which component failed. 16:39 Yes, I had that Viewsonic also and it died a while back.
I have a basement that has like 4 or 5 CRTs taking up space, but they're all broken, so I can't just Craigslist them away, and I can't find a place to dispose of them. And as mentioned, repairing them is dangerous, so I haven't wanted to try.
This was so great, my guy. Also, that Pokemon themed VCR is fire.
We need a modern 4k crt.
the ones who speak against CRT are just stupid. fuck that CRT for old games are just crazy good.
Oh damnit, i miss the crt age.
Why do you use outdated AMD drivers?
+EposVox ah yes my bad
Because I was showing Windows XP?
My eyes sore from CRT monitors. This why I had to switch to LCD's back in the days and don't regret it. And - bringing such a setup with a CRT monitor with no car to a LAN party aint fun
i used to have a 20"CRT 1600x1200 monitor back in the day, it had the 5-way BNC aswell as d-sub and even PIP between the 2 and everything. when i moved over to LCD, i couldn't even pay one to take it off my hands for fuck's sake, that thing weighed like 36 kilos (about 80 in freedom pounds),.
I had headaches and bad eye strain with them kinds of tvs and monitors. Then I finally bit the bullet and upgraded to LCD and I don't think I'll go back. Not to mention I have no room in my place for that big honking stuff. I do still have monitors in a building I'm trying to fix up. Was going to use them for a computer shop/store, though I might just end up selling them locally anywhere from free to 50$. Thanks for the info of the monitors.
Why are you forcing yourself to speak in a lower tone?
I'm not. Why are you forcing yourself to question how people speak?
LCDs are shit and always will be. They were only a cheap substitute to Plasma. LCD was and is just a compromise. At least we now have OLED which will hopefully kill LCDs. Still can't play light gun games on them though ☹️
I found a CRT monitor on the side of road. It's perfect for retro gaming on my Raspberry Pi.
+EposVox moved to a smaller apartment and sadly could not take it with me and could not find anyone to adopt it in time. Monitor was ultimately hauled off by e-waste scrappers. Who knows, maybe it can still find a second life. great monitor, I'd used it since 2003. It was starting to show signs of wearing out and was going to need some kind of repair soon (was losing sharpness and sometimes it would turn on and the power LED would stay orange instead of green until randomly you'd hear a click and the LED would go green and you'd get a picture, possibly an easy fix for someone who knows what to do)
Triple 21" Samsung Syncmaster 1100DF monitors running 1280x1024 @ 85Hz. Ah the early 00s high performance monitors were some of the best.
Is it bad that if I'd ever encounter a Genie, one of my wishes will be for Carmack's Legendary CRT?
Each to their own but come on ..... crt's ......really
A CRT monitor is nice for nostalgia purposes. I get the appeal of it, but personally I'd rather go with a light-weight LCD that does 144 Hz and has G-Sync. After using G-Sync for quite some time, I find it very difficult to go back to not having it. Retro emulation and G-Sync is so wonderful. If I lose in a retro game, 100% of the time I don't blame the input lag. I used to blame my old LCD for my losses in SSB Melee. But on my new one? Newp! Playing Smash on my Smart TV is just cancerous. Although I do enjoy playing it on the TV with my kids. By myself with lv.9 bots? It's gotta be on my G-Sync monitor. I don't mean to sound like I'm promoting Nvidia or anything. The tech is just that good. I have no desire to go back to heavy, flickery CRTs.
I'm all for VFR on the whole, but GSync has always had issues. In many cases it actually adds input latency equivalent to normal vsync, can cause flickering or weirdness in games, causes massive performance penalties on SLI, and can do some other funky stuff - on top of adding a MASSIVE tax to monitors. I've always preferred to go for the non-gsync panels, and I know plenty of people who keep it off and just run Fast Sync if a game is prone to tearing (like Overwatch).
I miss my 19" Flat Screen CRT the refresh rate was why I kep't it til 2008 ish 16/9 ruined me plus it was a Boat anchor to take anywhere.
I have a nice Sony 20 something 16:9 1080i CRT. How can I make my nVidia output 1080i on HDMI? Thanks! Oh, btw, I also love CRTs.
I'd rather run games on Oled display the color is out of this world .
FYI, that Gateway monitor is a Mitsubishi Diamondtron.
Basicly ALWAYS run a DFP (digital flat panel) at native resolution
I had a Samsung CRT in about 2003, 17". Pumped 1600x1200 amazingly. Still my fav monitor to this day
i wished i could get one, but with epilepsy these i cannot use :(
My TV is a 1996 Mitsubishi Megaview 37" CRT. Does something like 1600x1200 @ 72Hz. I have a HD Fury pro that lets me use HDMI on it and somehow bypasses HDCP so I can watch Bluray on the thing.
i have this other widescreen samsung crt tv that has an hdmi port on it. bet most of you didn't even know that was a thing
I use to own a Sun X7149A back in the early 2000 and it could do 2048 x 1536 @ 75 Hz. Back than people were already amazed by 720p ^^
I'm still using a CRT monitor from 1998 and I'm totally happy with it. I've never played any video games on an LCD monitor, but I have on LCD TV's and I really hate the motion blur, I think that's the worst thing about LCD TV's. I enjoy playing video games a lot more on a CRT.
Hope you enjoy your dose of xrays from those old crt monitors
The screens block that from being dangerous. Has already been debunked/disproven many times.
I have an old crt pc monitor that actually has composite and rgb input and its what i use for my snes games and smash melee. Looks amazing and absolutely no lag
That's a CRT TV btw
I own a 23" Sony FW 900 for desktop, a bunch of 28" CRT tv for retrogaming (in glorious RGB), and a 55" plasma for modern console or movies. I also learned to maintenance and repair them. I'm a happy man.
You forgot to mention energy usage. I game on a 40 inch Sony Bravia LCD TV that uses 58 watts @1080p
Good video. The reason I switched to lcd's is the cost of operation. I can run 3-4 lcd's opposed to the cost of running 1 crt. when I switched, the energy bill went down by $60 and the lcd's basically paid for themselves within 2 years.
0:49 you had ONE job...
in most monitors you have a calibration screw on the back, usually with a cover, or you might just have to take the back cover completely.
I Store all my CRT's in a Shed...
I have a Nice Sized CRT TV that i want to connect a Chromecast To ... So I Can Watch old Tv Shows from Cast ... What Video Adaptor Do i need to use Hdmi Chromecast to Rca or S-cable to TV?
Right on Dude ! CRT's Are Awesome I Have A Ton of Them !
There is a Thrift Store that sells CRT's Here That Cost Only $1
And I'm talking as if I'm walking down the street asking people "Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, CRT?"
I'm not. It comes naturally like, going down the street "hey, why tf are you talking like that", etc. Hey! Some dude with a check mark on his name and 148k subs just replied to me. I feel like a celebrity.
Maybe you could credit that song you use in your vid in the background, I believe it's Locke from Pylot's album, Shadowtask? A favorite album of mine, but I'd love to see them getting credit for their music. Spread the Pylot love! http://iampylot.com/shadowtask
Everything has a pros and cons, I just prefer LCDs and Projectors.
That Gateway is a Rebrand of the Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 that I used to own =P
so CRT displays have a higher framrate?
I did enjoy this video. I have a pretty decent CRT monitor that you may have prompted me to pull out of storage and use... Thanks for this video. I remember the days when the default refresh rate was 60Hz. It was uncomfortable and you had to crank it up if you could. Monitors and the OS didn't really talk to each other so configuring your display was often a trial and error process. Especially the early versions of Linux. You had to know really specific info about your monitor to get it to work properly.
Sony Tritron for life!
I retired my last crt monitor in 2010 or so. It supported a max resolution of 1600x1200 and was 22 inches across. I like crts but they use a lot of power. When I had that thing running in the winter I usually didnt turn on the heater in that room. Wasnt necessary.
I had one of those Dell monitors in the past. Had a nasty short in the flyback that liked to act up with a loud "POP" from time to time. Whats interesting is that I had a very nice low hours 20in Trinitron CRT that I was trying to give away back in 2017 and nobody wanted it...... so it got recycled.
back in school we had over 50 monitors with severe filmmer/flicker and it only took me 15 minutes to get a headache. They were all 15 or 17 inch Mitsubishi with built-in garbage speakers.
I get majority of my crts from the recycling centers themselves. I test them with a inverter and my laptop and only pay $5 for anything regardless if its high end or low end ive found some extremely nice tubes this way like my NEC FP950 that does 1920x1440@73hz with an amazing picture and the tube health is perfect only needs 50 brightness and contrast for crisp clean bright image and it has VGA and BNC RGBHV that also supports sync on green.
I have an old 22in Viewsonic CRT monitor in my MAME cabinet. It supports crazy resolutions and refresh rates and looks wonderful for low res stuff too.
I love GOG.com, but the name annoys me. They eventually said that it doesn't stand for anything anymore (not Good Old Games anymore), cause they sell newer games too now. They have an optional client (kinda like Steam and other game launchers) which they call GOG Galaxy. Why don't they make GOG stand for Galaxy of Games, and the client just Galaxy? It's annoying me :P On the video subject, I used to have a 19" Trinitron, and it was amazing. 1600x1200 for Windows @ 85 Hz, and I used 800x600 @ 120Hz for Quake 3 as the game was normally locked to 125 FPS to get the physics as we wanted it. It was a big downer going to LCD and only 60 Hz, but I would not want to go back now that I have a G-sync 165 Hz 1440p monitor (which I with little effort can move close and farther away as I need it as it's on an arm).
+Gentile Defence Initiative To get married?
+EposVox You leave yourself wide open :))
+Gentile Defence Initiative I'm married.
+EposVox Do you have a girlfriend ?
That is what the title says yes
That's odd. Never have I experienced v-sync equivalent input lag on my panel. As long as the frame rate never reaches the refresh rate, there should never be input lag equivalent to v-sync. All my games are set to never exceed 142 fps and the input lag is super close to v-sync off (if not there already). Can you specify a case where the input latency of g-sync is equivalent to v-sync? I've looked for cases many times and have always failed to find any. About flickering or weirdness, I don't recall any. Perhaps some people have defective panels? I can't say anything about SLI since I don't use multiple GPUs (by choice, not because of financials). If the performance penalties are true, then that sucks for those who use SLI, and does knock down a point for g-sync. I gotta agree, the price for some g-sync panels is quite steep. I paid $350 for mine several years ago, so they should be a lot more affordable nowadays (well, you'd think). Fast Sync is helpful in games that run much higher than the refresh rate, but doesn't do much for games that do 30 fps max, or games that rely on specific frame rate caps or else they'll behave weirdly or poorly. Back before I got g-sync, just about every 30 fps game I had required me to enable half-refresh v-sync (30 Hz basically) or else I'd get frequent moments of stuttering / bad frame pacing. The nasty result of half-refresh v-sync - as you can probably guess - is massive input lag. After I got g-sync, I returned to my 30 fps games and couldn't believe it... All of that random stuttering crap was gone completely. The response of the controls was very quick, almost CRT-like (based on my memory of using a CRT). Any quicker response and I would not have noticed one bit. I kinda wish I had a CRT now so that I could compare. Used to have one, but it died (not from natural causes. I don't wanna talk about it). Sorry for my long reply. Couldn't keep it short. G-sync gives me lots of advantages, so I thought I'd share. I'ma check out Craigslist for a CRT to use with my upcoming low-end PC build. Should be great for RetroArch, Doom, Quake, Half-Life, After Dark Games (lol), etc. It would give me the opportunity to show my kids how gaming in the 90s was. Might even have them help put the PC together.
It is not a VGA monitor for a PC. It is made for hooking up to something like a commodore 64/128 or amiga. You can however hook it up to a retro console or similar using composite.
Out of curiosity.. What kind of refresh rates did you use?? Usually this would be caused by refresh rates below 75hz and many people just forgot to set them up right and just ran them at 640x480 60/65hz ;\
I do. I'm interested. Give that brochure now. Bring me the blessing of high refresh rates and vivid colors.
Sell em. Lots of gamers want them.
With a CRT TV you would be limited to 480p at best... Anything above that would actually look worse and be extremely flickery.
I've always had this question, does a CRT monitor have that stupid high pitch noise the CRT TV's had?
DO NOT PUT CRT'S ON THE CURB!!! Scrappers in my ares carry hammers to break the tube and haul off on the magnet coil leaving you to deal with the broken glass tube and guts not all over your yard
Which games are being played at 8:20 & 14:42?
Yeah but who would win an old monitor or magnet
I miss the static electricity that would make my arm hair stick to the screen and make that fun Pop Rocks sound.
About 10 years ago, I was living with a friend and needed a computer monitor to use short-term. He had one of these old 14" CRT monitors that I'm pretty sure came with an old 486 or something. Because the thing was so small I had to sit pretty close in order to use it, and it absolutely wrecked my eyes to use it. I noticed this after maybe 20 minutes of use, my eyes felt like they were extremely strained and within a couple hours my eyes and head hurt so bad that I couldn't continue to use it. After that, each time it would get worse and I'd have to stop using it sooner. I do computer repair, I'm surrounded by dozens of flat-panel monitors of all different sorts. I've been staring at these things for years, probably more than a dozen hours a day. I've gotten eye strain before from that, but nowhere near the discomfort that I got from that old CRT monitor back then. I'm guessing it's probably more a function of the low quality and small size that did it. I'd be interested in trying out a larger, better quality CRT again. After all, in the late 90's I used to stare at my 17" CRT monitor for hours on end without ever having any problems (then again, I was only 16 or so).
That's it time to make bezel-less CRTs
I grew up on high-end CRTs and I still use them. My current models are two NEC FE1250+ and IBM P260. The one I grew up on was IBM P200 and I literally worn the thing down so much that it started to lose contrast because the CRT gun became weak after 10 years of constant use heh. The fact that I always had high-end trinitrons makes my experience different to most people tho. Most people remember CRTs as bulky, bad, giving them headakes, noisy (TVs), having scan-lines (also TVs) and such, which was never the case for me. I had the opposite experience. When back in 2007 I tried to move to LCD I ended up having serious headakes and eyestrain cause to get it to display any decent image I had to crank the backlight too high. After long lookout and keeping TVs to plasma only, I found 32" Sony KDD32W4000 which is old 1080p S-PVA screen which actually has deep blacks, nice contrast and no inputlag (only when conencted trough VGA) and my history of "no option to upgrade" started all over. Since about 2010 LCDs went the chep route and the S-PVA and S-IPS disappeared, and cheap panels with terrible edge LED backlight took over, and now I face the same problem. For few years already Im trying to upgrade but I always end up back with W4000 for films and desktop and my CRTs for games, cause the current screens are just inferior. The 1000:1 contrast ratio of IPS is a joke, and the current VA models are way worse than the old S-PVA, that is in terms of response time, contrast and color quality. Especially the yellow and skin tones thy to the horrid W-LED backlight that has too much blue color and lacks red and green while the panel is frantically trying to compensate and fails to do so. I was hoping the first quantum-dot generation would solve the color problem but nope, tried those from Samsung and the colors were completely off, the whole thing was way too warm and green lacked saturation and I was unable to calibrate it. The only thing that got better on LCDs is refresh rates. But there is no combo to fit it all. The ones with good colors are expensive and do not have high refresh and have massive input-lag, anything above 20ms is no go for me as I grew on CRT playing FPS games obviously. So I still cannot upgrade. The only people that are happy are those dealing in-low end, cause current low-end IPS or VA is better than what the low-end TN was, and its also better than what low-end CRTs were. I have to agree with few negative points people mentioned tho. Even the best CRT is only good in dimm or dark room. If you have or prefer bright room its bad deal. Also, the big monitors tend to not deal well with small resolution, you start to have horizontal lines between pixels. My 22" screens have them very visible with anything under 800x600. Its OK in windows cause in the 2002-5 NV drivers you can enable the driver to double the resolution outputted. So if the program runs on 640x480 it will send 1280x960 to the monitor. That solves that problem, but for retro DOS gaming smaller screen optimized for low-res is recommended. I also do not recommend using the interlaces methods. I always use the standard progressive scanning. In my case my screens do 1280x760 or 1024x786 at 120hz, 1280x960 at 100, 1600x1200 at 85 and 1920x1080 at 90hz. If I set interlaced I can see it, it looks kinda "floaty", if you look up close the image does not seem stable and it bugs me, so for me no interlaced.
120hz doesn't exist, i searched for 120hz monitor and find nothing, i wish 120hz monitors could exist
There are plenty..?
I ve been using crt tv for 12 years. Meanwhile my neighbours flat tv stopped working and theres no chance to repair IT. He had to buy new one. I wonder how fast IT will stóp working again lol
+EposVox No lol
+flameshana9 Guess I'll list them on ebay.
I have a CRT on my secondary PC too. It is the one from my very first PC i had and my old games are looking better on this. And the contrast is better than my professional grade IPS screen.
Why would you spend an extra $300 on an adapter or a thousand other ones for a dinosaur monitor to output higher fps, when you could spend that on a significantly better OLED display that outputs Both, high res and frames. Xbox didnt include a vga adapter for people who Wanted an ancient crt style. it was available because LCDs were still fairly new to the market and if it all went up in flames then it would have the advantage of supporting legacy displays. There are just Far too many drawbacks for using such an Old piece of hardware. Its Very heavy and requires some planning when even transporting. Its by no means energy efficient. They are incredibly dangerous, so much so that its illegal to just place them in the trash when they die because the electrical discharge can Freaking Kill you. The only "benefit" of owning more than Zero of these is to plug in your NES because it doesnt scale properly with technology. I remember playing Diablo on one of these ages ago at my friends house. It was such a hassle. We had to manually adjust the screen because when fullscreen, the display was offset and blurry. The last CRT i had was incredibly dark and blurry. There is no hope for this dying 'tech.' Yeah it was fun while they lasted, but thats only because we had No Other Alternatives. Ill go back to CRT Monitors when i find one to replace my 50" 4k display, which does scale down to 1080 and 1440p properly (for games running at 240+ frames), while pulling ~30 watts from the wall. Why was this garbage video in my recommended. Jeez grandpa has special eyes that can see the difference between 1 and 2 ms delay.
I still keep around some 1600x1200 resolution CRT's, they are also much easier on the eyes than LCD's (I am one of those people that can still see screen tearing, even on freesync/gsync LCD monitors).
i do enjoy my only crt monitor and i seldomly use it to hopefully stretch it's life span... and whenever i get a gaming PC i just gotta make sure to either convert DVI or HDMI to VGA to use it as the main monitor and any other monitor should be an LCD screen because to me i'd love a 720p smooth gaming experience with my old crt monitor. plus my old crt monitor is an Emachines ones and my uncle let me have it since he was moving and couldn't really ship it to where he were going to live next... but me and my dad saw of how clean it would display and this old crt of mine can do a clean and sharp 720p display! the recommended resolution is like 1200 (or something) x 6 or 700 (and something) (ya sorry that i'm uncertain about the res i just haven't rechecked the specs on it in months. But ya whenever i get a new main gaming PC i'm using my crt as the main screen with converters!
My 3440x1440 120hz curved monitor frowns upon weaklings such as yourself.
Weight,Size,Power reasons I was glad to get away from my CRTs and would never go back.
Project M anyone?
every time i see this video i think its an LTT vid. good ass thumbnail, keep it up. i realize that sounds sarcastic. It's not, their thumbnail style is great looking, and its not like you straight copied any of them, it just vaguely resembles one. and its not like the style is copyrighted. its a genuinely good thumbnail and thats not too common on youtube anymore.
Haha well thanks and thanks for the clarification
true... even in the early 2000s my sudo flat flat crt was doing 175hz refresh then but now its all 300$ for ... 60hz max.. wtf world
You are a sellout. Shouting out all these people. I could give two fucks. Just get to the point.
EposVox its both. It also has vga inputs.
I got an old CRT 32" Grundig TV, no monitor yes but I fear the day I have to carry it again...
If you love CRTs so much why don't you just marry one?
One thing that helps on PCs: if you play old games, it'll look fairly good. You won't often have input lag
yeah if you really not impressed with modern monitors don't use them. Ditch all of them and only use CRT. I dare you.
I've done it before plenty of times. Only thing truly keeping me tethered to LCD is needing to screen record high res 16:9 for videos.
I have a Windows 10 computer using slightly older CPU/Motherboard so I have the VGA onboard, and themed to look like Windows 95 with GOG games installed. Makes it feel like I'm really using a very fast Windows 95 machine!
Solid F for that CRT you lost. I've got an old Trinitron TV and I'm not sure which will die first, the TV or the table it's on...
Take it from an older PC kid. We don't say 1024 (spelled out). We say "ten twenty-four by seven sixty eight." Good video! Keep it up.
I also grew up in that time and those around me said it both ways :P
The GTA SA intro looks better on a 640x480 crt monitor
headache, atleast 4x lower res, 60hz lower refresh, and pay 5x the price. hmm i guess everybody has different opinions what good means.
"and pay 5x the price" - you can usually get them free or for like $10, buuuut sure
Why would you want to make a pair of HD6xx's look like a shitty gaming headset?
Because you get the function of said "shitty gaming headset" while having exponentially better quality?
I used to repair CRT's... it is not more dangerous than repairing other devices with mains voltage. Most repairs dont even require to measure in the High-Voltage part! (Though an isolation Transformer is highly adviseable!) The part that dies the most is the Main Vertical-Deflection Transisitor.(mid-range Voltage The monitor then only shows a very thin line on top.
Love my CRT!
Actually enjoyed this video until I found out it was from Vox...
It's not... bad joke is bad
I use an old crt monitor for my xbox one and it looks really good
Its hard to take someone with a pikachu hat seriously.
I have literally not gotten "huffy and pissy," offended, nor did I take it seriously. It was an unoriginal joke that I've seen at least 3 times now on this video, and copy-pasted mostly the same reply to continue treating it as a joke. You're trying so hard to get a "win" of having made me mad, but especially when you're not even the first person to comment with that "joke" you're getting literally nothing but condescension and apathy from me. This was a fail troll. better luck next time, my dude.
All i said was a joke i thought was funny and you got all huffy and pissy about it. You didn't need to take it seriously you could of ignored it. So quit being a fucking man child.
That's.... literally not how language works. ! can mean anything and wasn't even remotely meant to imply I was offended. And yes, I take the time out of my day... where my job is running a YouTube channel... to respond to comments... on my YouTube channel... as part of my job.... Think before you speak.
+EposVox the ! Is an clear indicator of being offended and you taking the time out of you're day to just to reply is to.
I continued to spin it to a joke. No one said anything about being offended, but clearly you felt bothered enough to come back for a second reply..? But yes, shouldn't be hard to imagine someone who has thousands of people nitpicking every little thing, even as insignificant as a hat, for bad "jokes" might have some damage done to one's confidence. (Especially since having/expressing confidence then just makes you "conceded" or "arrogant" to other complainers.)
I think you have confidence issues if you're so easily offended by a youtube comment
LMFAO its just a joke, relax.
Pichu is adorable af. If you can't take someone who is talking about 20 year old computer monitors seriously because they have a Pokémon hat, that's on you! This is about having fun with tech
Burn-in issue is real. We still use CRT TV in our livingroom and since TV stations switched to widescreen broadcast recently, I can see the burn-in of the black lines on top and bottom of the screen.
I love how he says there's a couple options to get 16:9 and the options are trying to hunt down very rare, expensive teles that not even he has managed to find.
R.I.P 16:9 CRT dreams
Nah, there's not lol
+EposVox it was funny because I was thinking you'd say something accessable but didn't
Uhuh?
I had a beautiful 21 inch flatscreen Sony Multiscan E540. I bought it just before WarCraft 3 came out. Was mind blowing back then playing Quake2 and 3 on it. I even remember seeing my monitor in the background of CNN and other news channels that showed their workers in the background. Was so happy with it but it died after about 10 years.
CRTs are better than OLEDs, and also a display that is too bright not only harms color accuracy but it also makes colors look washed out on the screen!
Color is greater than resolution!
Well, for me, LCDs are superior in every other way except for the TVs when it comes to retro gaming, the input lag caused by lcd when playing for example Super Smash on the gamecube is absolutely horrible, especially when you play it competitively.
Thanks for an awesome video! // Nokia 444 XPro :)
I love how random and irrelevant to the topic the pizza-gobbling part is.
without a doubt i would have a crt monitor,my old crt monitor was thrown away ( T T)7 but it was a profesional monitor for video edition the resolution i used was higher then what i use on a LED TV in fact i never used the higher resolutions just a lower one of 2048x1480 with higher resolution being 8192x4960 those are good resolutions and those needed the special driver to get it working,while they worked fine with generic driver the color weren't the right ones and the resolution was limited.
Good vid and you may have had me 4-5 years ago but now that you can get high refresh rate lcd or oled displays I'll be happy to never see another crt again.
Widescreen CRTs did come out in the 2000s. I own a Samsung 1080i widescreen CRT that I got for ~$30 on Crag's List. It's huge and extremely heavy but does look really nice when playing 16:9 content from Sega Saturn to the X-Box. Also on that note, 1080p CRTs with HDMI were a thing. I also own a Sony 1080p 4:3 CRT with HDMI that picture sharper than anything else. I use it for Gamecube and my Retrotink 2x. It's simply the best way to play anything. As for anything modern, I wouldn't play it on a CRT. Games for the most part are meant for the added lag for LCDs. Unless your TV/monitor has ungodly amounts of lag, it's mainly a thing of the past.
soooo CRT is the solution for VR?
I built my first gaming PC in 2013 and my monitor was an old Compaq 13" monitor I found at my grandfather's house since I couldn't afford a new one. Man I miss using that thing. The contrast was amazing playing the Tomb Raider reboot when it was new. EDIT: Oh crap, I just got to the part where you mentioned the RetroTink! I actually preordered one and also ordered a PS2 a few days back! I plan to play Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne for the first time plus some old PSOne games I hadn't played in years.
Try not to cringe 2019 OOF
So using a CRT was freesync before LCD nvidia freesync garbage. Good I kept my HP Pavillion MX704 lol.
forgot one thing CRT dosent have ugly ghosting and disqusting motion blur
WHYY RUNESCASAPE
Never letting my two InterView 28HD96 go. Still working great after 24 years of use.
Where could I find widescreen CRT monitors (exist?)?
I had a pair of 19 inch, flat screen CRT Samsung SyncMaster monitors, native resolution of 1280x1024 at 60Hz, I ran them 1024x768 at 85Hz and it was glorious!! No texture tearing, no headache (because a 60Hz CRT monitor gives me headaches) and I did not mind the loss of resolution to gain the higher refresh rate. Thing is, on a CRT it could be difficult to tell when a monitor was being under driven resolution wise, not to mention most of the games I played back then were just fine at 1024x768 resolution. I miss those monitors, but I do not miss the bulk, the weight (they weighed about 50 pounds, each!) or the power consumption. But, I do miss having vibrant colors and super dark blacks. IPS displays have come a long way, but still can not match CRTs for color and contrast, at least to my eyes. Also did not have to deal with ghosting from a slow LCD display either.
eye cancer
Good for retro PC gamers who want to experience the classic games exactly how they were back then and maybe for some high competitive FPS players who enjoy zero input lag. They're good for some old DVD movies too.
You keep mentioning converters without mentioning the one on your desk at 09:24, that's the OSSC. I just got one a few weeks ago :) Edit" ah 17:00 fixes my complaint.
Oh how I wish I actually had room for one. I used to have this beast of 32" crt, that thing weighted something like 25kg (50 pounds or so), first time I picked it up my pants ripped from the ass =D
so what's the absolute best CRT monitor or TV that's 16:9 and around the 28'' size i can possibly get for retro gaming?
Even in the late 90 to the early 2000.CRT monitors are mostly crapshoots when you buy them new or refurbished it doesn’t matter what brands high end or generic brands some can last 5 or more years.Some last maybe 2 than have have all sorts of problems and intermittent problems.
Any best buy will take the monitor s also
I have a nokia450pro at 220hz 640x480 for counter strike :)
CRT vs TN: CRTS beats the crap out of TN panles. CRT vs IPS: Closer fight but again CRT wins.... BUT if we compare CRT against OLED it's quite clear that OLED things look much better.... The big let down of the Oled panels, is the damm burn in and somewhat short lifespan.
Curved monitor before it was cool.
Lol. I personally think that modern monitors are far superior to CRTs. I was a gamer back in the CRT era as well. You don't need non-native resolutions on modern monitors, so I think it's a pointless point. Resolution scale in demanding games let you gain the benefits of higher fps but at native resolution.
crt has bigger delays because no one produces cards where the signal is analog. The topic was discussed by people with more knowledge and equipment that is able to measure the differences. If you turn backwards for years (not worth it) and you will use a gpu that has an analog signal and you do not have to convert it into an analog one then you can talk about inputlag.
That cap is not good chief
Pichu is adorable as hell
I loved playing CS, Starcraft and WOW my old CRT. There was a real sense of depth back then and I don't think the new tech can replicate that.
My old flat CRT used to make this really loud BRRRT like sound for a split second every time I powered it up. I know that was just a particular device issue. But seriously now - every time I look on a CRT display I feel like my eyes are starting to melt in my eye sockets. I dont understand how we used to glare at those things for hours. They are bad for your eyes.
+EposVox Alright. I see your 1024 and raise you a "En Ee Ess" and not "NES". (Also really liked your SDK video on the StreamDeck. I hope you do a tutorial series for it)
+EposVox wtf not going through all the comments like you do, i just seen the hat and commented. i already won since i was trying to get a reaction out of you.
I might have to ditch my CRT soon, it now displays 2 black vertical bars on the left and right edeges.
One word "Ultrawide". That is the future of PC gaming on a flat screen.
ahhhhh i miss degaussing!
CRT monitor have better image quality!
very comprehensive CRT walkthrue.. thx,
Gauntlet
I'm a pretty big crt fan. I've got your holy grain Sony. I've also got the largest crt tv the 40" Sony 4:3. Only one item i'm missing from my Sony trifecta, the 34" widescreen tv crt. Every display has a purpose and i'll really hate to see the day all my crts die. I'll eventually recap all my crts and try my hardest to keep them alive while im alive.
I would love to see something try to replicate the positives or a crt in the modem day, like being able to natively support more than one resolution without scaling and being drawn 1 pixel at a time to support interlacing. Sadly that doesn't seem to be an interest to produce from what I've seen.
I'm watching this on a CRT. Glad I'm not the only one.
What can I do to get better image quality when using a PC with a CRT TV? I get a really bad picture, I can barely see anything. I'm using an AV to HDMI converter, and using an HDMI to VGA converter on a DVI port so I can connect the converter to the PC. I wanted to use my extra PC as a retro gaming box. I have a VGA monitor for it, but then I wouldn't have the scanlines or anything.
i have an HDCRT that i keep around for special occasion but i haven't plugged it in on over 2 years or so i would say probably longer now, 240hz gsync 1ms is the way to go tbh
Back in the late 90's Early 2000's I had a CRT NEC 32" or something... IT WAS HUUUGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEE.... used for Surgery cameras in Hospitals... it's max res was something crazy like 4300x3400 IT WAS INSANE!!! It weighed like 90 pounds maybe more.
One thing to note is power consumption. That being said, I also want to point out that while raising the refresh rate helps reduce headaches, the headaches may still be present -- albeit less severe -- if the flicker is still there. This is especially so for people whose eyes are sensitive. Ultimately, unless you can refresh the phosphors faster than they can fade significantly enough to matter, the loss of quality can be a necessary sacrifice to get away from the tube. That, and CRTs do lose quality at higher resolutions. Adrian explained it better than I ever could. They're better for low resolution usage.
My first computer had a CRT . It still works to this day. 18 years later
I would have liked and subscribed if it was 2018 ... sorry
Once we get OLED in 4K and high refresh rates with almost zero input lag, I'm never looking back.
Don't put a sign that says "Free" on it, no one will take it. You have to put like "$10" if you want someone to take it because they'll just steal it. If you say "free", no one will want it. Trust me, I've gotten rid of enough stuff to know lol.
Around here to get rid of something like that you sit it out by the mailbox. Someone will come by and take it. F
LMAO I had one of those Sony CRT's Idk if I still have it or not though....This was a while ago
0:24 my monitor ♥
i will always hold on to my samsung synmaster flat screen 19 inch. Tis a beast. Funny story, it was given to me by this pill poppin league of legends player, he was doped as fuck hanging with my drug abusing brother. He was fucked up on someshit and he offered me his old syncmaster since he had just gotten a new lcd..this was almost a decade ago. Junkies dont know what they got lol.
ok now i see it. it's comming crts are comming back now in future (and im happy for this)
CRTs (when you had good ones, anyway) really did have nice picture quality. I had a 20" one (I think it was a viewsonic) and used it with my laptop for quite a while, even when replacing the flat panel would have been somewhat affordable. And it really did take a long time before the panels used in laptops stopped being utter garbage, even after desktop monitors went all LCD....
This video was awesome! Really brought me back. I still have my ViewSonic E90f+sb (had to Google it) at my moms house. I might actually have her bring it up next time she drives. But those were the days; BF2 (and Desert Combat) UT2004, CS1.6 and Source and WoW. As much as I loved that flat CRT, I could never go back. Thanks for the trip down memory lane
Ever heard of Lazy Game Reviews? LGR for short?
Of course!
I remember those back-breakers. Even the desks were sturdier to handle these suckers back then. And weirdly enough, my own grandma had those TV-in-cabinets, CRT TVs, THIRTY NINE INCHES Phillips from the 70's with 9V battery remotes... and they still work. The technician gladly replaced the phosphorus inside the tube, and it was still alive and kicking. Two dudes came to her place to carry it away. The shop still worked on CRT monitors. But the creme de la creme was the 52" CRT BEHEMOTH she had. 240 lbs. Easy. That thing was pallet-jack material. And I played ATARI on it. The river raid airplane was the size of my head.
Now i feel bad my sony crt monitor went bad years ago
Still a boat anchor
ZEP orange cleaner from Home Depot will easily remove that yellow color...cheaply
Amiga could use different resolutions at the same time as long as they share the same frequency (if you pulled the screen down) in the 80, 90's
i got a crt tv in 2018, its nice to use it instead of my flatscreen sometimes
You got an amazing sound
Long live CRT's
Best for viewing pirated 4:3 anime.
I recently found my stepdad's old NEC Multisync FE700+ and to be honest I'm loving using it. Upto 120hz on lower resolutions and the brightness is way above acceptable.
The biggest issues I had with my CRT monitors was the eye-strain from the flicker and the fuzzy out of focus images that they produced. With LCD the pixels all stay sharp and in focus, and no bleeding of the colors. Some of the focus issues could be adjusted, however in the later models this required disassembling the monitor to access the controls to adjust this. Which if you know what a flyback relay is, then you know this is not a task for the average person.
I bet this guy takes breaks from his CRT tv to smoke unfiltered newports to see which of his life choices gives him cancer faster
CRTs don't give you cancer. They have protective layers. Any concern of that has been long since debunked.
17:13 So let me get this straight. You turn RGB into HDMI, and then HDMI into VGA. Analog to digital and then back to analog. What the fuck is wrong with you?! You can directly turn RGB into VGA!
Being antagonistic for no reason isn't a good look. Weirdo.
Line doubling... very common in the retro space, look it up if you're that confused. It's not remotely weird, it's pretty common for this scene. Line doubling adds at most 1.5 frames of input lag, and the specific VGA-HDMI converter I have also only adds 1-2 frames. None of that impacts my gameplay for games I actually play. I don't have a VGA switcher integrated into this setup, so no reason not to run the DC through it, plus then it gets line doubled too.
+EposVox Alright. So you value beauty over delays. Then what's wrong with Dreamcast VGA so that you need to run _it_ through this thing? Doesn't it already output 480p or something? Edit: Oh, you scale it up. OK then. Weirdo.
I turn RGB into digital to Line Double it, 2x for 480i/480p and 5x for 240p, then to HDMI to VGA. It looks MUCH better than just straight RGB to VGA. Plus looping in Component, dreamcast VGA, etc.etc.
They "Upgraded" the local In The Groove Cabinet to an ugly LCD.. help i can't quad shit now..
0:38 ans so am I !
I have crap ton crts I got at NASA auction broken down some of 17" for recycling
Some are KDS that are god awful
G4 Arena? You're alright.
I remember when a message board thought I was stupid when I ordered a refurbished B monitor for $110 and free shipping lol(I was actually suggesting it as a valid monitor option over a cheap $170 LCD new for gaming, shows what they knew), but it was a Phillips that used the best Mitsubishi Diamondtron tube ever made(basically the last version), it was 2048x1536 res, and of course you could do letterbox for widescreen gaming at 1536p at 85hz. I suspected the image had degraded a bit by then, but it still looked great just darker at acceptable black levels than I hoped mainly I think brightness and contrast suffered with age some. I ended up just ditching it years later not being sure how much longer it'd last anyway(it seemed further degraded) and got a 144hz BenQ. I'm pretty used to the downgrade in image quality and it's even grown on me, but I'm ready to upgrade to the 240hz with DyAc soon since it sounds like it should be damn near blur-free where mine is already good that way, that's the main thing for me I hate motion-blur and hope for a slight bump in image quality otherwise, and it should at least look better at 120hz since higher refresh degrades image quality, the higher max refresh I hope will help for that. I can't wait for affordable OLED 4/8k high-refresh monitors though.
I recently picked up 2 CRT monitors and i was really impressed with the contrast and colors on them. Forgot how good they actually looked. I love CRT's. Especially if you're watching DVD's or play older games. I also like the 4:3 aspect ratio much better.
if monitor works and its just dim or smth. chances are it needs just change elecrolitics caps in it. If you know how to solder its no issue, just replace them with right voltage(or higher), right capacitance and right orientation(+-) and you are good to go. Dunno how in us but in eu there are some good brands for caps like nippon-chemicon, samwha, vishay, panasonic. Always go for 105C model. Cheers.
I'm really going to have to disagree that CRT images were ever sharp. Long before the era of LCD or LED screens I've noticed fuzziness. In my humble opinion, everything looks better on modern flat screens (save for retro games, CRTs are best for those, I'll agree). Maybe the first generation or two of flat screens were generally inferior but there are a number of reasons they took precedence. EDIT: I should note I've owned just about every kind of CRT you can imagine, I had a room full of them at one point, every brand from Hitachi and Sony to bootleg fake brands. In 2002, I had both an FW900 and a 2405 (the latter I bought used so maybe that had something to do with it) and I always noticed that fine details such as small fonts, HUD elements in games, or icons in Windows were quite blurry. In fact, it was one of those things I used to struggle with as I liked to make my own icons in Windows. It's imprinted on my brain. I would never, ever go back to those days, not even in 2014 when I got my first flatscreen. It was life-changing.
Please be more transparent about your embedded advertisements. Downvote for now.
The ModMic ad spot is about as obvious of a commercial/ad spot as it gets. Even says SPONSOR: ModMic Wireless in the description. saying "BTW THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DON'T BE CONFUSED BY ITS OTHERWISE IRRELEVANCE TO THE CONTENT OF THE VIDEO AND SHOT IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LOCATION AT A DIFFERENT TIME" just wastes time, no one needs that.
I trash picked 4 CRT tvs and 1 Sony PVM..PVM only needed new caps and a power cord
I remember when I finally moved from a CRT to an LCD back in mid-2014... The colours were nice, but goddamn, every single bit of motion was irritatingly blurry... I went from being able to read signs in FPS games as I ran past them, to it just becoming a giant smear unless I slowed down. And to make it worse, so many games include insane levels of motion blur on top that didn't bother me on a CRT!
Yeah so according to Vox..... No new tech has "caught up" to the resolution of 2040 something... And no new display can exceed 80hz refresh rate....? Certainly not those 8k or 240hz monitors.... Yeah. Tech is soooooo unimpressive and slow eh?
The part where it took like 15 years.. yeah
How are you a tech head and yet you don't know that... Crt is something some people prefer and that's fine but don't go around talking shit out your ass saying it's literally better technology somehow
So many oxymorons in the first minute... "I'm a pixel junkie, I like more frames and higher resolution!" "I like crt more and chuckle at new tech which is playing catch up to crt" Uhhhh are you high? In what way are any current monitors inferior and playing catch up to a CRT
The part where it took 10-15 years for high refresh and color-accurate stuff to really take off on any affordable level... the first 10 years of LCDs were bad.
I love CRT TV's, I play all my old consoles on them. But there's a few unmentioned downsides from a "casual consumers" like I am, point of view: 1. People Figured out that CRT's are more and more requested these days, especially for retro gaming, which pushes the price. Few years ago i got my CRT's for free, nowadays the same models (talking about the B&O MX series) cost around 50-200 bucks, depending on the version. 2. If they are broken, it can be really tricky getting them fixed. No replacement parts, no experts that wanna do it anymore and so on. Maybe a miracle happens and we see a modern solution thats on par with CRT's in the future.
While I agree with most of the points in this video, I have to dissagree with the comment that the CRT's have less input lag because they are analog. That is exactly the opposite case. The image your GPU renders is in analog format, and during the CRT times when VGA was the only option, you needed a digital to analog converter in the GPU to turn your digital signal into an analog wave. In modern LCD where your input is also digital, the GPU does not need a Digital to Analog converter. Unless ofcourse you connect an LCD via VGA, where you will get Digital to analog conversion in the cpu, and then analog to digital conversion in the LCD preprocessor. So just use a digital DVI cable instead of VGA and you're set. Now your only lag is the monitors preprocessor. I grew up with CRT's and I love the colour brilliance but I could never go back. The fatigue from a CRT monitor (and I am talking about high quality EIZO and iiyama ones) is incomparable with a relaxing LCD. And this is because of flickering. While an LCD can have lower refresh rates than a CRT, the light source is constant and not flickering whereas on a CRT every frame is a light flicker, where literally only 1 pixel is light up at a time . Thats why a 60hz LCD is much more easy to look at for a period of time than a 100 or 120hz CRT. As an active computer user in the late 90s , I was so glad that LCD monitors became mainstream and commercially available, because I could work and/or game on a computer for more than a couple of hourse without a splitting headache.
You want to play RETRO games? then CRT is your option number 1, new games should be played on new TV´s, easy as that!
OH. MY. GOD. YOU STUPID, MORONIC FOOL! OBVIOUSLY DYNAMIC RANGE ON CRTS IS THE SAME AS ON NORMAL TVS. WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU HECKEN HECKER DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE HECKEN TALKING ABOUT! DISLIKED!
I grew up with CRT monitors and TV's and, quite frankly, hated them as soon as I heard of flat panel TV's. I'm so happy that moving a TV nowadays means moving a small appliance and not training to dead lift a horse.
100 hz is pretty common for crt monitors. especially at low resolutions. Mine 15" is set to 1152 x 864 res and the most difficult part with CRT is the setup of the colors, brightness and image geometry adjustment. A very good adjusted CRT can display a very crisp and sharp image with good contrast and precise colors. I like to watch movies on it, because they look so damn good on that thing, even it's just 15 inch in size. Especially nature documentary movies with lots of color. The Monitor on my main workstation is an acer professional grade IPS and it was quite expensive and it is calibrated. The only benefit of the IPS compared to the CRT is the flat screen surface and higher resolution.
dude i have a crt monitor that goes to 100hz, i do not know why though
I'll never buy a CRT monitor as the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.
I HATE CRT. Always have and always will. They are flickery, poor quality, HEAVY, tiny (I am using a 43" 4K TV at the moment and even that is feeling small.) Ever since I got my first LCD TV back in 2007 I was hooked! My 21" CRT went straight in the bin! CRT just feels and looks nasty. There is nothing in this world will get me to use a CRT again. And, yes, I am even the older generation that grew up with Black and White TV. My first TV was a 14" Black and White back in the 70's.
I'd pay ANY SUM for good-old professional CTR's like NEC, Lacie, Sony and so on. I was a lucky boy to own brand new 19" NEC Multisync right from the start, when it was released first time. Nothing could be more spectacular back in the days than good-old RTS like C'n'C or Baldur's Gates on fabulous 19"! And I struggled A LOT to own professional CRTs up till they vanished from the market completely. The migration to LCD was painful, but with a lot of experience, I made a top ten choice and stuck now with a pair NEC PA professional series PA301W and then PA322UHD. Still happy and would not change this bulletproof monitors till urgent circumstances. You could not imagine, WHAT had suffered this monsters: power surges, then all desktop was fried to ash, water right in the back, when I forgot to close window before the sunned storm and so on... If you could name me any reasonable priced monitor better, than NEC PA, please, I'd be very surprised.
I play at 120hz on a PF790 Professional Series Crt Monitor the colors are way nicer and it does a true black un-like LCD monitors.
19:25 spotted a rainbow color CD case label - instant mad respects for owning Sum 41 / Chuck album CD (the first non-game disc that I ever bought on release day)
I've got a SyncMaster 997DF but since my R9 290 is literally incapable of outputting an analog signal, I'd either have to relegate to my spare rig, where its GTX 660 can actually do DVI-VGA, or stick that stupid Radeon X1300 into my main computer and hope to output over that.
really id repair it maybe i should open a shop
I still have a crt tv I play my ps4 on It. Works perfectly I don't see whats the big hype about new tv's. How do I play ps4 on a crt? I have an adapter. A hdmi2av $15 on Amazon.
Hold on. How are you using the OSSC with VGA?
warframe on crt was nice to see
I had a similar gateway when I was younger. Loved the large screen but was a heavy bastard I tell ya xD.
I'm curious as to the setup you have for using older consoles on PC CRTs... Those visuals blow TV out of the water, even with the rare s-video input. Perhaps do a video on the cheapest, best setup to run retro consoles on CRT monitors? I personally always thought the sound was nostalgic...
I was relieved when solid-state displays became available because CRT displays emit x-rays. Yes, we spent hours at a time sitting in front of high-energy radiation emitting devices.
CRT pros: cat can sleep in a warm spot. Cons: my eyes! Even with the Trinitron at home, and guess who didn't have one at the office. Horrible. LCD is still an eye killer but takes a lot longer and is easily avoidable by using blue light killer things like a pair of Gunnars. Yeah I know "computer glasses" again, but ten times better and cheaper. And not all of them are yellow, there are white ones for designers but they're a bit less effective.
I miss my 2001 NEC monitor. Had a dot pitch like the Trinitrons. Probably twice as bright compared to my current LCD. 1600x something. HD. whats that..
Once MicroLED is released to the consumer market, all this monitor debate will finally be over. MicroLED is true black, doesn't use Organic Light, or Plasma so no worries about burn-in, and will support up to 8K and higher. CRT's is nice nostalgia, but all this won't matter in a year or so.
I like how he mentioned how non CRT monitors change the eye, making it worse. That's why I have glasses. I remember coding days straight and my eyes never got tired looking at the CRT. With LEDers, they tired out after 12 hours. One fun thing about the CRT: You could put an apple or carrot on top it and within 24-32 hours, it would shrivel. There's always a nice wine and buzz I always like about the CRT.
CRTs are a staple in many of my displays.
It's too bad most tubes were small and not flat.
Oh yeah and anyone who had to get a 21" monitor out of a box, damn unweildy and ridiculous.
Well I'd prefer not having a crt firing at my eyes. Flat screen technology is so much better than the old crt tech.
Damn the nostalgia...
i do have crt and its shit compared to hdtv - +color is not as great as ips or AV panel monitors, +refresh rate is limited to around 60hz max resolution with flickering or lesser res. with 70hz...it`s pain in the ass that u must make compromise +not 0 but actually 8ms lag input ( go read about it ) compared to 1 or 4 ms hdtv +not suitable for small tables like hdtv unless u want to be less than meter distance , I prefer to be at max distance so 1meter and a half + but besides everything which I mentioned .... it has no scanlines is u want to retro game, u must choose crt tv not a monitor +mainly why I hate it ? because it`s 3:4 = less screen = shitty work flow on premiere & photoshop .... 144hz while playing, just try it ! if u get 144fps it does not mean your monitor produces it u just see your max usual 60fps. For such thing to see u need capable monitor of at least 144hz. Overall 144hz vs 200+ Hz very little difference but 2x the cost And talking about resolutions well... youtube will be mostly the same , cause 1440p youtube is just quality format with lots of bitrate. But gaming is another deal 1440p = more resolution = less fps with same hardware = bigger investment in hardware especially gpu And what about 4k ? well for such distance with your small 32 monitor u will not see too much of a difference . Its also bigger resolution = needs even more expensive hardware to run for bigger fps and yes there are more than 60 hz 4k monitors. If u have more money = invest in 1440p If have tighter budget = Full hd is still awesome Leave bigger resolutions for tv, tho I dislike 4k blurays , so I watch my blurays still on regular full hd tv and gonna invest in big projector which has too has fhd cause otherwise 4k projector would cost more than 2x ... But what about old school gaming ??? U want scanlines = u need rgb / s video enabled big cheap sony tv with raspberry pie and gpio to RGB scart connector. Not only u can play nes nei geo n other emulators, u also can enjoy your msdos games . I guess its possible to play other win old games if system will be 32 bit ?
So it's better to use best quality crt than mid quality lcd right?
I'm glad they are still making CRTs. I love them for my old games. The best CRT I has was a JCPenny tv that still works from 1990.
I feel weird editing video for clients without seeing it on an old CRT TV. I have found a way to get 4K sequences with odd aspect ratios to output to my old NTSC monitor using Premiere Pro and my Intensity Shuttle. The video link below might be of interesting to some people https://youtu.be/barrJWuBzCA
Go OLED... man what a difference. I designed video graphics cards for the first 15 years of my career, I may know a bit about CRT's :) I really liked the 5x4 aspect ratio and most high end CRT's at their peak supported this but 1600x1200 was about the best they could do as the amount of energy to swing the beam across the screen just increased with larger and larger screens and refresh rates. I am not sure how many graphics cards actually support an analog out still but they are still being used in many places. I was in a Dominos pizza store last week and the flat panels were being driven by a VGA cable, not DVI.. I thought why? Cable length... you can't drive DVI that far, but with good analog cables you can do 20-30 feet. HD formats really ruined a great format by creating a standard format for LCD's by adapting the same format used on TV's. As for color... well thats pretty subjective, there is definitely a difference and you are right most LCD's seem to have a flat color response. But I know most color stations for professional printing now are LCD based with 10 bit component color.
I did get my CRT (21" Trinitron with Sun Microsystems branding) from eBay...but it was NOS, sealed in its original box, so it made the trip just fine (though the shipping was $100). I absolutely would have never bought one from eBay otherwise. I think that once OLED goes mainstream retrogaming/retrocomputing will be the only reason to have a CRT, since OLEDs solve the black level problem that LCDs have.
I picked up a nice 22" flatscreen for free several years ago and loved it. I think it might have died recently now though, but maybe not, it might have been the outlet that went iffy instead (I haven't gotten to testing the outlet oddly enough, despite having opened up the CRT; I have electrical and electronic training and education so I'm aware of what I was doing; I didn't find anything problematic though from a basic examination). Before then I used CRTs as well (the previous one being a 22" non-flatscreen). When I finally switched to an LCD recently, I was amazed at all the problems it had. Terrible color that I could never get right despite all sorts of adjusting and color modes, and more noticeable annoying artifacts when watching compressed video seemingly due to lower color depth. In addition there was something I'd call "color bleed" (but which isn't the same as normal color bleed that people seem to talk about) which I tried to research and fix, but simply could not. It mostly involved displaying anything red, it would have a sort of slightly feathered/blurry edge, which most people might normally not notice for most things, but when coming from a CRT it's so extremely annoying, and red text (or red icons) are used all over the place. In addition I noticed ghosting which CRTs don't have, and it could be my imagination, but I seemingly even noticed screen tearing more when I didn't in the past (which one could debatably say is just the monitor displaying things _better,_ but still the outcome is that the experience is _worse)._ In addition there's the really annoying viewing angles. Left to right wasn't too bad, since it's in a small room and it isn't being used as a TV or anything, but up/down viewing angle is horrible. There's only a small sweet spot where I can view without significant problems creeping up. I can't crouch my head down nor stand up. Note that I didn't get a terrible LCD either. It wasn't some new top of the line one, but its an ASUS monitor that had good reviews, and has a relatively low response time and very competitive latency. Yes I'm aware there are other display techs out there, but I'm already comparing a product that is 20 years more advanced, I have no need to be going even further, or shelling out even more money to make an _even more unfair_ comparison. Despite the low response time I still really noticed ghosting anyway; while I didn't necessarily notice any latency and this monitor actually seems top of the line with regards to most other monitor's latencies (this one is only 9 ms if I recall), CRTs have 0 ms latency. CRTs also don't have any sort of response time problems either to cause ghosting (which is the bigger issue, since like I said already I didn't actually notice the latency problem, despite the fact that it is a disadvantage all LCDs have, some more significantly). Lastly, while it's separate from the tech, and some LCDs _do_ have a glass cover, most LCDs don't have such protection are very vulnerable on the front, making them harder to clean without damaging them, and cats or birds (or a flying object, or person's fist, or various things) could potentially damage the screen. I feel like it's bound to happen, just a matter of time.
CRT PC Monitors are Died in 2013
so to make you all jealous i grew up playing pc games all day long on crts at my dads computer shop, we just loved feel of crts so we decided to keep alot of stock when we had to switch the shop over to widescreen lcd monitors so I actually have some crazy crts rocking at my house, right now I am playing counter strike go on one of those crazy sony monitors you were talking about
On the note of repairing them. Do not try it your self if you do not know what you really doing. Pulling out the plug on them wont stop you from getting a electric shock. They can store a charge for days and people who are specialized in repairing them knows how to discharge them safely.
I can't help but compare CRT users in 2019 to people who still drive V8 cars and pickups w/ lift kits as their daily drivers. The planet is, in fact, dying and we are contributing to it. Enjoy your CRTs and sport vehicles on the weekend and get something sensible for your daily commute, for the love of our survival.
My bad for throwing out my CRT monitors and TVs back in the day.
They make that loud hissing noise.
This video has confirmed my suspicions, CRT monitors and TVs were of better quality image and only recently have LCD/OLED screens matched it. Sure, LCD/OLED screens tend to be much more compact and lighter than the CRT bulk, I still have not been too impressed with the image quality of those screens for years and I found them very dull despite the obvious width and height of the display - likewise with the plasma TVs still play my PS2 and PS3 games on a CRT TV and the image quality has been really amazing. Only recently with a Sony TV LCD or OLED I found at a retailer (I dont remember its model name) have I been able to even appreciate the image quality of new televisions. Thank you so much for making this video.
couple of points ... The CRT monitor (the screen) can blow up like a bomb, the screen is in a very strong vacuum and if the tube is not re-pressure before breaking the screen it will go with a big bang. Any CRT can get to very high resolutions at 80 to 100 Hz For me the best one was the sony CRT flat black trinitron
You can keep your CRTs and give me your modern day monitors if you like them that much. :)
top of the line CRT monitors are not that easy to find though
I kept my old CRT by Samsung a samtron CRT monitor it's awesome res I used my acer predator 3D HD monitor
It was the last CRT made and sold in the UK it's black so it predated the standard black LCD TFT 4k and OLED you get now
I have a 20 inch screen that had 2k something by 1k6something in resolution at 90hz, sadly it's dead.
So besides of some small benefits from crts, they are preatty much useless today? The benefits of them are that they can run many different resolutions up to ~1080p and the image will always look sharp no matter how low the resolution is. They can run at very high refreshrates, as high as modern high end monitors. They natively support older signals which can come in handy and older games often don't need twaking to make them look good because the resolution is natively supported by the crt. They support 4:3 aspect ratio for older games. But besides of that, it is just for nostalgia. Well, refreshrate is important, input lag really isn't a big pro for the crts. Even the best pro gamers do not notice a difference in inputlag. Modern screens have an input lag of 1 to 4ms which too small to feel even for the perfect human. Besides of that is the whole "input lag" specs war on screens irrelevant since the meassuring method isn't standardized. A monitor with 4ms inputlag on paper can have the same input lag as one with just 1ms on paper. To play older games, is it really that much better on a crt? With just a bit of tweaking, you can display almost every game sharp on your modern monitor. This twaking isn't always the easiest thing but it is possible. The thing is that some older games do not always support high resolution, so they will look better on a crt. But these games are often games with a visual look that it will not make a hige difference if you upscale them or not. A blocky 32x32 texture will look blocky on any resolution. The differences of the image quality between crt and upscaling are from "Amazingly sharp" on CRT to "still very sharp" on a modern screen. Older games that support higher resolutions will not benefit from the crts sharpness at lower resolutions anyways because they run at a modern resolution. The only other really benefit I see on CRT screens is the 4:3 aspect ratio. Sure, you can change these for many game but most of the times is one of the more difficult things to do. The thing is: CRTs have some benefits but compared to modern screens, they really have a ton more disadvantages. I see, for enthusiastic hardcore retro gamers they might be a must have. But for not so enthusiastic retro gamers, not having a crt is reducing your retro gaming experience from "Absolutely perfect" to "Absolutely amazing" at worst. They are more of a status symbol than actually useful. Similar like old game consoles nowdays, when emulation is almost perfect. Or old nokia phones in a smartphone driven world. Amazing video btw! I just subscribed :D
they are also used in vision science due to their excellent temporal resolution.
"Monitors are so boring" dude, what do you expect? The monitor to brew coffee or something ? Dafuq...
I had years of headaches with crts, even with the Sony Trinitron. All gone after switch to lcd. I was annoyed that a lot of my pc games didn’t work well with widescreen and the whole non native resolution issue though
I was using an amazing 19" (Trinitron?) CRT, I gave it away very late, but finally because it had +20kg and occupied half of my desk ;) I am finally thinking about to replace the LCD which replace my CRT about 10 years ago. It probably will be one of those 27" "gsync compatible" LCDs ;)
I remember going to LAN partys with my 21" CRT in 2000 ^^ HEAVY! I still enjoy my 2 CRTs that I got recently.
To play emulated pixelated games on pc just use a CRT filter on the lcd, it is very good. It is software filter but works great. The pixels are realy disturbing on n64 games.
When I switch from my Sony Trinitron monitor to a Samsung SyncMaster in 2009 I saw the drop in image quality. One thing I noticed especially was the names distant PCs and NPCs in World of Warcraft becoming unreadable and even with newer Flatscreens I never got this kind of clarity back (maybe with 4K ones at some point?). Sadly it got thrown out a few years ago and I regretted it afterwards. Now I got a "new" CRT Monitor (not as good as my Sony) and have a laptop plus docking station hooked up to it for running old games (WinUAE, DOSBox etc.) in their native resolutions. With custom resolutions I can even force it to render native 320x200 (@140hz or else it will go below the 31khz horizontal scan rate and won't be able to display), what wasn't even possible with my first monitor (coming with the 486 DX2/66) using double scan instead, doubling low resoutions (e.g. 320x200 to 640x400). And yeah, 60hz is really looking bad. I think, not even the 85hz I'm running my CRT for normal desktop use is great. PS: I remember opening my first Monitor after it stopped working, accidently touching two soldering points with my index finger and getting zapped, leaving two little burn marks. My arm was knocked away by the shock and my heart was racing. This makes you feel alive! xD PPS: GOG only does what we did for many years before they popped up. While I love them for their DRM-free stance, I also know that they are in for the money after seeing Abandonware sites being so successful.
About digital-to-analog conversion latency, I need to point out that this is going to *always* happen, somewhere between the digital processing on your video card and your analog CRT display. Cards with analog pinouts are doing that conversion for you, and it's probably the best place for it to happen. But it's at least theoretically possible that a high-quality external DA converter will do a better, less-laggy job than the converter in the video card itself.
crt monitor no thanks dont like a high electric bill
I still enjoy retro devices CRT monitors and as long as 60hz is on my i7 laptop I am happy no need for higher hz or framerate or pixels that my eyes cannot really see due to my glasses. so eh
I'm typing this in front of my trusty Trinitron CRT monitor (Dell Ultrascan P991), manufactured in 2001 but stored away and then bought by me and used since late 2008 on a daily basis. So that's 10 years already and it's nowhere close to being dim. I have the contrast setting still on 52 only (goes up to 100).
Very nice video, indeed! Congrats! And thank you...
CRTs are definitely the only way to go for retro gaming.... actually, for any gaming. You don't need AA for CRTs, it actually makes a blurry mess. Turn that shit off and enjoy unhindered, as it was meant to be experienced, graphics on even the most AAA games today. RGB for retro games and VGA for PC games. CRTs are brighter than most LCD too. Viewsonic, SONY, Dell are some of the best.
TLDR: Its better for hipsters because they only like old shit. Save yourself 20 minutes. New monitors are objectively better.
I recell going from a 21" CRT monitor which was on 24/7 to a 17" lcd and my power bill drop about 20 a month.
i once had fw900 but it broke down. Best monitor ever made.
Hey EposVox! Thanks for such wonderful vid, can you show how to use old consoles in Computer CRTs? Maybe a vid? Maybe? =)
what I hate is how hard it is to find a functional CRT monitor (in England) at a reasonable price. also the amount of CRT replacement LEDs taking over the search makes it harder.
531 dislike millinials who dont understand shit and buy the newest iPhone the day it comes out.
I held onto my 19" Flatscreen CRT monitor longer than most people... i don't think I replaced it with a LCD monitor until 2011 or 2012. Having said that, i couldn't give it away for free... nobody wanted it... not even the pawn shops. These days i'm sporting a 27" 144hz monitor... I can't really fathom going back to one of those room heaters again.
CRT actually made a comeback back in 2009 i believe. Not sure what happened with that..
I sold my Samsung 950p for 5 bucks years ago. I did not miss it for a second. Too bulky.
I miss the days when you needed someone else to help you move your monitor!
I never ever missed one of my old CRTs when I switched over to a Flatscreen. Not a single second. The only thing that can be annoying is excessive ghosting that especially the first generation Flatscreens had.
When I graduated from college back in 2001, one of the first things I bought after finally landing a Real Job was a monsterous 24" widescreen Sony Trinitron CRT. That thing was friggin' awesome. It was also heavy AF too. I had to reinforce my desk with one of those temporary vertical support beams you can get from the Home Depot. I think it's still at my parents house. #GoodTimes
8:59 What's the name of that game?
just did 90hz 1600x1200 on nvidia card custom rez on viewsonic G220fb
I have a in the box emachine crt. Not really sure what the specs are, I just couldnt bring myself to throw it away since it's new.
viewsonic G220fb FTW 2048 x 1536 at 68 Hz / 180 Hz max / 9300K, 5000K, 6500K, 5400K PerfectFlat - shadow mask
I'm glad CRTs are already phased out since CRTs have this flickering that makes my eyes hurt, but for some reason I'm the only one that can see it and my friends can't.
Learn to fix the CRT monitors you're self its not that hard, there is plenty of help available on-line. The new lcd monitors are better and bigger and sharper, most CRT monitors are not as sharp and at hi resolution the fonts are just too small. I'm surprised you are finding viewing comfort with the old CRT's as my experience is they were awful, only the most expensive monitors were just ok. You must have some really poor LCD monitors you'e comparing CTR with as the best LCD and OLED of 2019 are far superior. You try doing CAD on a small CRT is slows you down, my new 38" I can fit the entire job on the screen, massive difference.
For retro consoles, just look for a 14" RCA TruFlat. Get the model with S-video instead of component.
plus a CRT shop might have a microwave time machine workshop set up on the second floor!
Modern screens handle screen glare better than old crts with their glass screen
I bought the VGA cable for the Xbox 360. I think I still have it buried somewhere.
It's 2019 and I still use a CRT monitor. Always have and probably always will. In fact the one I am watching this on is an old Dell 15" monitor from 2004 and it works just fine for me.
What game at 14:46?
I have opened CRT monitors (Commodore 1084) a few times and if you know what you are doing, then it's not that dangerous.
My first pc was hooked up to a CRT monitor, can't remember what model but after around 10 years of use after we got it, all it wanted to to was output green and black unless you smacked the top of it... it worked like that for a few months, then after probably smacking it too hard it became 4" in the center of the screen that was still the full image, then we finally decided to get rid of it.
i remember i had to upgrade from 60fps to 75 fps crt and damn that smooth-ness like i walk on some slimey floor but then i upgrade to 120fps crt like walking on soap lol. and after some time i bought new monitor with new tech it called LCD and it was 60fps, my eyes kinda feels hurt and need to adapt to it.
What game is displayed @ 0:20 ?
For some reason, I've recently started feeling sick when gaming on flat screen monitors of all sorts. I might give this a try and bump up the refresh rate to see if it helps :P
I won't buy a old CRT Monitor because i want 21:9 and much higher resolution that a CRT Monitor cannot give me.
Watched this on my CRT monitor, a Compaq 7600.
That Gateway monitor that's become dim and blurry probably just needs new capacitors. Capacitors are the primary component to go bad in CRT displays. If you can manage to replace the caps, it'll most likely run like new. It can be a lot of work, though, and you need to discharge high voltage before working inside.
I owned one of those Sony Trinitron 24in widescreen CRT. About 2005 I got it used. 24 in looks so much bigger back then. I remember trying to mod Tron the game to run at 1440p a native Rez for that CRT. as the game only supported 4 by 3 aspect ratio. It was cool being one of the few gamers that could play games in 16 by 9 at higher than HD resolution a full 5+ years before LCD widescreen became affordable. But the resolution would take longer. Buying a 4K HDR 8-12bit TV From my 1080p HDTV has only now allowed me to get that resolution back.
TL;DR CRT=Superior low latency, native resolution at any resolution, no ghosting. 1440p and high refresh rates sorta, great colors.
I can't believe I wasted 11 minutes of my life watching this.
yo i find these nice sony crts with mad connects in the back at the goodwill for like $5 and then I put them on craigslist as "retro gaming tv" and sell them biatches for $50
Sony FW900 and Mitubishi Diamondtron 2070SB owner here, U JELLY?
Nostalgia Culture in 2019* ftfy
Tech hipsters will always find ways to justify their obsession over kitsch. More power to ya, I guess.
Bro..... cable management.
Boring?? My AW3418DW I spent 1,700 USD when it first came out says otherwise
my trinitron flatscreen crt was the bomb. i got it for my 15th birthday and i used it for cs 1.6 and later source. it had virtually no lag and the fastest tfts were around 8ms so i gladly stuck with it till around 2010!
I miss the times when you didn't give a crap what monitor you are using, what's a refresh rate of it, how much fps you get in games, what's the input lag of your peripherals. You would just put your favorite game, in my case sa;mp or cs and play the hell out of it. Those were the golden days of gaming for me.
I had a PF790 back in it's hayday! Man, I loved that monster lol. Everyone who came over couldn't believe how big the screen size was lol. Damn thing was heavy though lol. Now at 27", I want ultrawide. But not with its current resolution and response times.
I wasn't aware of widescreen CRTs as a kid, and I passed most of my childhood through the '90s. I didn't even know Quake was coded on a HD tube monitor til now. Makes me want to play Fallout: New Vegas on a CRT, to make it look like I'm playing the game on a RobCo terminal. Or at least gut an old tube and Apple II case, modify the cases appropriately, throw some modern parts in, and play the game that way. Then I'd have my own little RobCo terminal.
I use CRT monitors at home, including the Sony GDM-FW900 :) (bought it ~9 years ago). The only problem I have is that new video cards do not have VGA outputs and I cannot find a (DVI/HDMI/DP) to VGA converter that can run at 300MHz (which is what I need for 1920x1200@85Hz), however, you mentioned HDFury, I will look into that. It would be easier than my other option - designing and building such converter myself. I am looking for another FW900 or similar widescreen monitor to have as a spare, but so far I cannot find one. As for contrast - LCDs usually have poor black levels, even though they may have high contrast ratio. Since LCDs are too bright for me, I have to turn them down and then am left with very poor contrast ratio because of the bad black levels. I have a Plasma TV, but even that has worse black levels than a CRT TV - especially noticeable if I watch a movie in the dark. There may be a way to adjust that for my particular model though. And the input lag on the plasma is around 250ms in some modes, I had to buy an audio delay to keep the audio in sync. EDIT: HDFury X4 seems to support up to 1920x1200x60, so, still 60Hz...
Damn that Sony monitor looks sooo familiar. I had one that looked a lot like it around 2002. Sad it is in a duo somewhere
It's been a long time, but I have resoldered parts on many old CRTs or old motherboards before all the circuits got too small to repair by hand on most things. The power coil in a CRT or a power supply will shock you good, same with car ignition coils. Good luck finding any repair shops that still touch the inside of CRTs.
what about the CRTS for the commodore 64 pcs?? for retro games i had 1 i used as a TV for the longest
Even with an integer scaled resolution most LCD monitors still apply a bilinear interpolation filter to it ensuring that it looks like garbage. This is one of the things I found out when I got my 4k display, I thought I'd run the desktop at 1080 since not all the applications I used supported high DPI and games at 4k, but since the monitor scaled 1080 up to 4k using bilinear filtering it looked terrible. There's no way to have the nvidia driver scale it up without filtering either, and I don't understand why neither of them has the option to do this since it's so easy to do. I really do miss CRTs. I had this huge CRT for a long time, I want to say 27" and really, really high quality. The thing was absolutely massive, probably weighed 75 pounds and was like 2 feet deep but it was absolute monitor bliss. I threw it away when it started having issues and LCD monitors were getting so cheap, but I wish I would have kept that thing and gotten it fixed instead.
I unfortunately had to get rid of my CRT when I moved. I used to play a lot of ugc highlander tf2 stuff and i would run the game in 800x600 with crazy high FOV. I play with a 144hz monitor now and it really isn't the same. Unfortunately i live in a smaller sized city and it's still a pain to find a CRT monitor :(
can I use a DVI-I Dual link adapter if I dont have the specific DVI-I analog? to get 120hz
This is somewhat untrue, I'm using a display port to vga and outputting at 160hz in 640x480 for specific games and there is literally 0 input latency I can discern. I finished DUSK on it, it was awesome!
Eyyyy, DUSK is a damn good game.
I had the sony. I loved it, now I hate it and all CRT's. When I was moving I dropped it on my big toe on my left foot. The nail that grew back after falling off is still split in half and I could barely walk for months. If you own one, they're great, don't drop it and don't try to carry it on your own.
I have a couple CRT but i prefer(even cheap) LCD monitors.
I had a black19" NEC Monitor that I loved to death, only got rid of it when it started getting dim. But when it was new, it was so sharp! It had .1 pitch square pixels. Loved that thing and LCDs, while nice, have not impressed me.
All CRT monitors are garbage they kill your eyes, i can see the refresh until 70hz :(
you can actually touch a CRT anode and still be fine, the current is negligible and wont begin to attempt to travel through human skin, the main issue is repair companies wont touch older SMPS systems since less and less people know how to repair the nitty gritty analog bits. the one thing you gotta watch out for is the caps usually, theres sometimes a big filter cap on the mains side
I remember Gateway was the most sought after pc for a while. What happened to them?
They were bought out by Acer in 2007!
Dude this is awesome stuff
Thats cool and all but my CRT monitor made a loud noise and i always got a headache
marry me
I miss the headaches I had from CRT.
18:33 I had to pay respects twice to go back to fullscreen.
I use to play 4 player halo on a 12 by 9 in mini crt tv
9:16 Commodore 64 was my first computer with my 300 baud modem :) it took me ages to buy a commodore monitor
I want a iiyama crt monitor and lacie crt monitor
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The only real disadvantage of CRT technology is the retina-burning radiation it emits :v If it kept evolving along the rest of the hardware instead of being replaced by LCDs all the other issues wouldn't even exist, even the bulky issue would have been resolved at this instance. I mean there was that little monstrosity the Quake coder used that was a 28" 1920X1080@85hz CRT monitor back in 1995, the Intergraph InterView 28".
Hooray! People keep making fun of me for my preference to CRT PC Monitors!
And not a word about eye strain? I was using CRTs (obviously) in my childhood. 4 years ago I tried CRT again... maan... I was literally crying in few minutes. Once you get decent LCD from 2005 and up there is no going back.
I like placing monitors without considering Earth’s magnetic field.
what is weird is that my grandma still owns her old crt monitor that she used with her 2002 dell pc and it sounds like a banshee to me but she cant hear a thing. hmmmmmmm...
Every display has a physical resolution! CRTs however don't have physical pixels as they are not digital displays, instead they have colored phosphor dots and in the case of PC CRTs they were like tiny circles, this was called "Shadow Mask". CRT resolutions are measured in DPI (Dots Per Square Inch) and not in pixels although many were advertised as "800x600" in reality 800x600 was the resolution that would fit better the physical resolution of low-end CRTs from the early 2000s, sure if you increase or decrease the virtual resolution it would not make the picture more or less blurry because there is no scaling, no picture processing whatsoever but... If you increase the virtual resolution too much obviously there would be a point which you would no longer be able to read anything because the virtual pixels would become smaller than the dots from the Shadow Mask I hope you understand that. (And also you need quite a few dots in order to display 1 pixel, 1 dot is not equivalent to 1 sub-pixel because of misalignment, the pattern is simply not the same, it's not a grid of dots, they are actually geometrically placed very similar to honeycombs while pixels are always grids both virtually and physically )
I was glad to see them go, spent more than a decade on many. The constant strobe light effect and eye strain was horrific. Even on 75hz models it was still noticeable out of the corner of my eye. Once I went to LCDs I missed the clarity in movement of the CRTs, and I missed how good colors looked. But now even a mid range high refresh TN panel suits every desire I've ever had for a monitor. IPS and VA are a bit overkill to my eyes.
CRT+Fallout = Real Experience cause of the radiation.
I'm a technophile for audio, video, electronics, and all things computing. But you're fucking idiot if you're trying to make the case for CRTs today. This is sophistry, not skepticism of later technology.
I still haven't tried the new 1440p 144hz gaming monitors of today, I think I want to try those. If for whatever reason I am not completely satisfied, I may look into getting a CRT monitor.
Put very simply, crt's are shit
Can I have a new CRT monitor instead, built with the best technology?
Watching this video on CRT Samsung SyncMaster 795mb. It's good that it's black and silver so it didn't get yellow with time. Soldering a new cable is a bit tedious, but there is nothing extraordinary difficult about it - you just solder wires one by one and isolating them with sticky tape and shrink tubes. I repaired my monitor in 2014 after the cable worned out
I had an old CRT monitor, I plugged into my old laptop, and the color was great! About on par with my new 1080p panel. And this wasnt even a high end CRT
Custom bend the bill of your hat, poser! Looks stupid!
These styles of hats aren't meant to be bent, or they would come that way. This isn't some redneck's baseball cap. But yep, I'm such a poser, rocking a Pichu hat next to my Pikachu VCR in a room full of Pokemon games and tapes. Clearly not a fan of Pokemon or anything, just a big giant poser. I can't believe I've never considered such an aspect of my life in this way! Who knew it would all come crumbling down just because my hat wasn't bent. Life is strange sometimes.
Thinking about buying a small 13 inch to 19 inch CRT TV to replay some PS2 and Gamecube games using at least a S-Video connection. My 4k OLED makes anything less than 720p look like complete garbage.
12:26 OwO it's Quake! ... YOU SUCK! XD
CRT just seems too much of an hassle now
I remember when I was forced to buy an LCD TV, the day ma plasma TV died was very sad, I spend 2/3 hour to make images look "natural" every time I buy a new one.
sry but crt are trash
Well, perhaps we'll see the same thing happen with CRTs as with mechanical keyboards where they'll be made again as gaming devices, albeit with RGB lighting and agressive shapes. I won't be surprised if in 2020 we're using mice with a ball underneath again for gaming.
10:29 product placement
Not at all. The whole point of that segment was to make recommendations and in that kind of scene, HD Fury is THE recommendation everyone made to me, and it lived up to the hype so I'm passing along the recommendations.
What I miss about CRT monitors were how they managed to soften every pixel and make them glow almost. If anyone has played any old DOS or SNES games on LCDs they'd know that everything looks super blocky. I've tried pixel shaders that attempt to mimick the nice glow from CRTs onto LCD but they just look pretty bad.
kek no thanks ill take my xg32vq over ANYTHING else. especially crts. And in 3 days freesync monitors will be able to be used on NVIDIA gpus. CRT also wont get anywhere near as crisp. no issues at all with res scaling for older games. And if i can see the pixels at the distance i sit from my monitor, thats a bad thing
10:54 CAT TAIL!!!
omfg the adds in the video, screw you man the shit he selling doesnt stop till 4.20
I literally have a single 20-30 second ad spot in this video, for the mod mic. It stops as soon as it transitions back to the original video. No clue wtf you're talking about.
For a gamer it was good to be able to scale down resolution without completely loosing sharpness of an image, it was a feature that allowed PC gamers to really enjoy most games that came out even if they did not have hardware to play it at the max resolution they had. That's really only positive of this technology... it was rightfully phased out and romanticizing it makes no sense. Nowadays we have great 4k screens that can do the same for you, since 1080p is directly 4x smaller it scales perfectly sharp on majority of these high end screens.
I want your pichu hat *.* where can I get it ??
Good video, but I like new screens better for they are smaller and does not become as hot at the old one, my new monitor may not be so fast but it is okay for me, and I save energy. Many new things may not be better than the old things, like old aircraft was better for you had more space and you could lean back the chairs to sleep, but if we still had aircrafts like that only rich people could fly and it had not become a bit industry.
Without watching the video, thats why I am still using my CRT: No input lag, far better Blacklevels, old games look better. Playing Wii games on my Monitor with the Wii U for example look worse to me. Plus: If I wanted to play PS2 or GameCube games for example I would have to buy adapters and I would had black bars. I love my CRT TV for non HD Consoles and I have no reason not to use them anymore. But I wouldn´t use a CRT Monitor for my PC, because of the resolution and the aspect ratio.
I used a 21" Trinitron until it died a couple years ago. What a beautiful picture! I'd love to find another one. Worth the power bill.
Love the c64 monitor
I will never forget the Sony GDM-FW900 24" The Dream of dream CAD monitors that was some fuckign serious shit
Why do these people talk about refresh rate like you're playing modern games on them? At best you're playing old shit at 24fps, when you're not gaming you're using a horribly downscaled GUI on your OS. What's even the point?
Old games natively locked to 60 or 70hz, not "24fps" and plenty of old games can run at higher refresh rates. And I did cover playing modern games on them, as that's something plenty of people do
I had to retire my bigass flatscreen CRT in 2018, had it since 2006. I would have kept using it but it didn't agree with my UPS. ;_;7
I have a headache from working with crt for more than 30 minutes, newer had that from lcd (Worked near CRT for 2-3 years. Flat ones is definetly better in that way too).
hey guys this crazy expensive CRT monitor from 2000 is as good as this budget cheapo flat screen. No progress has been made in 19 years. Crazy, right?
what's the game at 0:20
Some stuff is really not accurate. Where there is hardly any latency for turning a pixel on.. the latency for turning a pixel of is quite significant. CRT pixels can´t be turned of... they dim away eventually. For input-lag its a bit more difficult. For games like Mario the actual graphics was renderd microseconds prior to being displayed. For 3D game its very different. Usually there are 2 or 3 frames lag before it outputs on the port. Of cause from the port untill the pixel is displayed (at least if its light up) it takes mere nanoseconds, of cause it will still take 15 or so ms before the whole screen is updated. For LCD:s its a bit more complicated. The digital signal processing have nothing to do with the lag. The lag in a LCD comes from each line is rendered instantly, instead for pixel by pixel för a CRT. Because most old LCD was really old a solution to the issue of the standard 72 Hz update the buffert the whole screen. So the update will outrun and lap the screen every so often. (this is what creates tering). Anyway the whole display adapter market was built around this feature..... well .. not on laptops (while old laptops might be better to play on the old LCD:s). This can give latecy of up to 30ms on top of the 30 ms rendering time... and.. well on top of the bufferts as well. So 60 ms on top of what it would be on a CRT. This is why G-synk and Free-synk was created. To resynk the output and the screen update again. Now the GPU renders one row on pixels, send them to the screen and display them... pretty much instantly. 1 row at 72hz for a 1080 monitor takes 12 micro seconds... so that would make it 12+12 microseconds in steed of 30+30 milliseconds. While.. sure 24 micro seconds is more than the few nanoseconds a CRT takes to light a pixel, this is ontop of the GPU standard buffering, that is pretty between 10 and 50ms.. So that would make say for 30ms rendering time for a LCD 30.024ms, and for a CRT 30.00001... yea sure.. there is a diffrance, but its tiny. The thing is... we are playing 3D games... most of the latency is created in the 3D engine, not in any other component.
CRT's are just prettier and the image looks more pleasant to look at. I tried old games on my LCD and it just wasn't the same as before. Every detail was memorable because they were easy to spot on a CRT heck even doing projects like editing your CS 1.6/CSS video was way more fun back then now i don't even want to make a 5 second trash video. I wish they would start producing glass screens like CRT's but thinner.
Wtf
Also for retro gamers plasma lcd and led wont work with light guns.
Samsung released serveral 16:9 crt's at least in portugal
i still own some oldschool crt pc monitors, i have the first 17" flatscreen viewsonic monitor i bought in like '97 for 400 dollars.. and that was a considerable cost for me, still here, not plugged in but its available for tinkering projects. and i also have a 19" flat viewsonic that someone threw out and wrote "basura" ontop of lol, i picked it up and have used it for 18 years, its mostly off, its connected to a (virtualization hypervisor) server that sits in the closet, i only turn it on when i need to check the local metal
We went back from laser to optical mouses. We also went back from membrane to mechanical keyboard. From "7.1 surround headsets" back to stereo. This is why videos like this is important. Different perspectives are necessary because they can cause change which we can benefit from.
+Manny Brum Gamers tend to use optical more now. The laser mouse was only popular for a short while and the optical mouses improved and now optical is the main choice of esport gamers(its not red led anymore). Im also not saying 7.1 surround headsets are good. Im just saying gamers made the switch to 7.1 from stereo and now going back to stereo.
Optical has always been around, gamers tend to use laser more. Also "7.1 surround" is useless for a headset because all sound going into your ears is interpreted by the brain for positional information. It is sounds created from farther away from your ears such as from speakers that actually need to have separate channels. The only good analogy for this is the mechanical keyboards. Now if people started using ball mice (not the kind they still sell with the ball on top) for gaming then you might have an analogy there, but those things were terrible in every way.
Facebook is evil. Zuck should be held accountable.
I miss my CRT monitor. Replaced it with an LCD 14 years ago.
Interesting, you made me want to get one
When did you grow a beard linus? Great video btw
hopefully oled or microLED monitors in the future will help bring back the CRT motion clearity we use to enjoy.
I managed to get a CRT as 2°ry screen.
I HATE input lag. Honestly, I don't know how tech geeks could create LCD/LED flat panels (TV or Monitors) that didn't address this issue earlier.
my old crt monitor was with me for 15 yers and about 10 yers with it's previous owner, it is still working and should be somewhere in my basement xD
I've recycled a lot of these over the years. yet to get shocked tearing one apart. Invention called gloves.
Sorry, I was there through them all, they are horrid for the one main reason that they only support VGA and it's a horrible interface. It was outdated in 2000.I run an ultra wide 3440 x 1440 Gsync 34" screen and it is literally the pinnacle of gaming screens for me. I owned flat screen CRT monitors and was a holdout for newer monitors. But they now far exceed anything previously available. Nice for a bit of nostalgia, but like most "retro" they are probably best left in the rose coloured vision of your past.
CRTs hurt my eyes and head after about an hour.
made me laugh when mates at school were so amazed when the first "HD" consoles came out when I had been play games like quake 2 at 1280 x 1024 at 80hz for years before on PC. It was at this point I became pc master race ;D
Great video, I'm subscribed now!!!
Its dangerous to opening hentai porns daily on crt monitors. Because the materials might being burn in to the crt..
Used my old CRT as a stool for a few years, then it broke :(
I gamed on CRT until 2012.
On a MAME machine, it absolutely makes sense.
ViewSonic CRT was very good
The March of technological progress is saddening
Your video flickering between the cuts is so annoying, do not realize that you can install it on purpose.
I had one of these late-90s hifi CRTs that did 2048x1536 very clearly... after it died, figured it was time to move on to LCDs...
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Lol the stickers on that PC are amazing.
My problem with CRTs is the sound they make, my ears are still good enough to hear it.
Sometimes the last days of old technology is often better than early days of new technology. When I switch from a CRT to Samsung flat LCD in 2008, it was big let down - and still is.
I still have a Sony flat screen crt
CRT tube display has no lag.
Very thorough! Thanks so much for creating this excellent content. It's so sad that CRTs aren't being produced anymore. We really did make a lot of concessions when switching to digital.
I own 3, as well as 2 29' sony wegas for the arcade boards.
if you have a broken crt look for an old tv repair shop they will easily fix it well in South Africa don't know about the US
$2,289.99 https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00004YNSR/ref=dp_olp_refurbished_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished
They say they are rare but keep popping up here and there
Ihad the same viewsonic monitor. It had a sort of 'HDR' proprietary driver for windows which could highlight a single rectangle (a window) with higher brightness. Useless for that purpose but interesting.
i found an IBM T221 while helping a friend clean out his companys office storage...that thing is rare as hell but sadly its currently not working.
my ears are too good, the crt whine is way too much for me
I can open these up and fix these, and I come across 100s of CRTs. If there are specific models that should be preserved let me know what the model numbers are.
you look like louis ck if he lost some weight
Ew
I'm using a CRT right now, all I needed was a VGA to DVI dual link converter and boom, slap it into my graphics card and it works no problem. Easy setup, no problems, works like a dream.
I got a JVC DTV1710CG. People call it a microwave until I turn it on.
That redhead wallpaper, where can I get it?
It's Hayley Williams from Paramore
I love all forms of technology, new AND old. I love steam engines, I love analog clocks, and I love CRTs. But I also hate CRTs, since they hurt my eyes, even if ever so slightly. Fuck that. Oh, and OSSC sucks, it cannot actually deinterlace anything. I want a Framemeister :(
what is the power draw vs flat screen? are there any low power options?
CRT Monitors damage your eyes
False
Some people prefer plasma TVs mostly for the same reason as some people prefer CRT monitors. Zero motion blur. The sample and hold LCD and OLED displays use limits their motion resolution. Apart from that I think an OLED is superior in every way to a CRT.
I i no. Nope nope nope. I had great CRTs and i buy great LCD Displays and i don't wanna go back ever again. Digital signal to analog? Nope running my stuff on the native Resolution of my screen. Doesn't get sharper than that. They don't get warm, they are light, they don't use up 80% of my desk and when you buy proper Displays, you get proper values. You want black? Buy a OLED Screen or similiar thing. They are black. Blacker than a CRT would get. The oled is off and doesn't have a less reflective surface than a crt. If you really wanna be nostaltic, you should play your old old games on a CRT from that time you actually had it and not high end used devices you get now for nothing. One thing to add: Do you remember those flickering crts? Horrible :-(
Thanks!
Oh on the "finding specs for the monitors" side of things XFree86's documentation on how to handle the x.conf files will generally contain a fair amount of relevant information. Though... since X.Org had the gull to "automatically generate an x.conf file" you might need to find archives of XFree86's x.conf documentation.
hey what camera are you using, possibly been the best capture with CRT i have seen! great look overall for Content
Do an episode on ball mice! I mean they are definetely better than laser ones, right? It's so oldfaggy))
Why didn't you mention the radiation coming out from them? And that you get headaches after a few hours of usage. Trash it is.
Salute with LG F700b
The weight alone is enough reason for me to move away from CRT. I had a 24'' once (I think? Been too long) and OMG when I had to moved from my amartment it was such a hassle to get it off my room...
I wish I didn't throw away my old CRT
I would love one of these for playing Melee/Project M on my PC. It would be really easy to stream for tournaments, especially without buying a gaming monitor. The bad part is that nobody really sells them locally and buying online is expensive and probably a little dangerous too. There's also the fact that my GPU doesn't have analog outputs so I would be converting which would cause a little bit of lag. Any idea what the difference is between converting it and just buying a gaming monitor in terms of response time and such?
Your crt monitor probably has a few bad capacitors or resistors, you should try to repair it, though make sure to do plenty of research such as discharging the flyback circuit, and to watch out for the filtering capacitors
Watching this on a CRT monitor in 2019. A friend sent me a genuinely beautiful flat face 24" CRT set. It was destroyed in shipping. Made me very, very sad.
It's current year & we live in a society
I remember buying a new monitor (first time with my own money) and how it seemed like such an upgrade. I don't remember the year but probably about 2004, a 17" flat crt. I think it was only like $100 and was the first time I was able to use 720p. It being flat screen seemed to make the picture so much sharper, and I remember once I started seeing a lot of LCDs how they looked so dull to me and my dad after using my flat screen CRT. God those things were beasts. Talk about taking up all your desk space..I now have a 3440x1440p curved LG Ultrawide, the best experience yet! Maybe it's still not as sharp as that old CRT, but I can't prove one way or another now. I'm not complaining.
game at 14:45 ?
CRT rocks - you can shoot ducks.
i do miss my Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 :( my desk is still bent in the middle from it 10 or so years later :)
fine have fun with your 144p tv
They only look cool inside an arcade.
Less than 1/4 of the way in and getting hit with a second plug
? Literally the only product plug/ad thing is the very obvious ModMic Wireless ad. Everything else is just genuine recommendations based on experience within the context of the video
I was a Commodore and Amiga user back in the day. I was a big fan of the 1084S and 1942 Monitors. The Commodore 1702 monitor was also had amazing output--but I was using the Commodore cable that split the video.
Ahhh sony triniton...
I want to find a small CRT (maybe 14 or 15 inch) for my DOS PC. But hard to find and carry.
I still use my wonderfull Lacie ElectronBlue IV 22inch... a beast !
I'm still playing my 360 on a VGA monitor using that cable.
The gateway monitor probably needs the capacitors replaced. You could ship it to a technician but that would cost a fortune. It's not that hard to solder them yourself and CRTs are safe AFTER you discharge the tubes. However, it's probably easier to just find another CRT that's being thrown out
OLED PC monitors are coming and i think then CRT may final have a true rival in the contrast department
CRT are perfect for retro gaming. I bought an 27" Sony Trinitron for just this purpose. Also still own a 22" flat tube CRT PC monitor
I had a chemistry teacher in highschool that worked with CRTs before he became a teacher
If you're interested, the flicker problem (at any refresh rate, but especially at 60hz) can be reasonably mitigated using background fill lighting. The problem actually isn't the 60hz of the display, especially CRT displays, but rather the difference (interference patterns) between the 60hz of the monitor and the 60hz of room lighting. I replaced all fluorescent lighting which flickered at the 60hz rate (research needed for LED room lighting - not aware of the details there ... ) of the wall current, with INCANDESCENT lighting, which while powered by that same wall current, using a heated glowing element that tended to "fill in" the room lighting flicker. This got our CAD departments back a 1/2 to 1 full hour worth of lost productivity PER DAY, with the most notable improvements seen with those work stations positioned to also take advantage of available natural lighting. Being able to "perceive" the flicker is NOT imaginary, ESPECIALLY as the human eye refreshes at roughly the rate of about 5fps. A hint there, too, if you are able to "perceive" fps interference patterns but think they're "all in your head" or something, they aren't. Try adjusting fps to a more comfortable rate too. Start with moving away from multiples of 5fps, but YOUR true rate will probably vary, so play with it a bit for best results. Work with it a bit to find your optimal combination, tho, and I think you'll be pleased with the OVERALL results, STARTING with a reduction of eye-strain and headaches, but possibly extending to longer endurance, sharper perceived imagery, and an enhanced overall experience. Won't promise the improved stamina will result in any "championships" but then, who knows ;=) ! All the VERY BEST to all here from Texas - Chuck.
I’m all for nostalgia and “remembering the good old times” of pc gaming, but this video is unwatchable click bait. There are literary ZERO reasons to ever get a CRT. Wasteful on every level and light years behind what we have now. Time to move on.
The disadvantages of LCDs are pretty much gone nowadays. It does make sense if you're playing games from that era, but otherwise no. CRTs theoretically support a wide range of resolutions, but this is simply due to it being analog. It won't just not accept it, (unless the controller stops it) it will just slowly lose detail. The color accuracy really depends on the monitor, just like any LCD one and most really do not look that great. Modern IPS LCDs have been around for years now and can be just as good with black level, etc. And this is without OLED which blows anything else out of the water. It has perfect black levels (which even CRTs never really attained) and very good color accuracy. Even further above that is the upcoming Micro LED which solves pretty much every problem imaginable (other than production costs xD). So, with CRTs being bulkier, less sharp, less reliable and harder to work with, it's limited to the collector as it should be. The single advantage CRTs have at the moment is latency (if you're using a natively analog system already), but you can get good LCD displays with latency in the 1ms range and maybe 8ms at the high end. Decent latency for an IPS display at around 3-5 ms is likely to be completely imperceptible. All this nostalgia and bs about them being better is really misleading.
that crash bandicoot wall plaque tho :D retro asf
You can't use a CRT monitor more than 30 minutes without getting red eyes..
*I* can, yes
They weren't doing it in the 1990's, they were doing crt's not lcd's. That's like saying you are not impressed by modren cpu's because cpu's we're around in the 70's... Durrr it's a completely different technology now.
i have a couple of the 'highly desired' models with the original manuals and software. but like you said..no one is willing to pay anything for them...everyone wants them for free.
why cant you put crt tech in a flatter and lighter design ?
A Couple of CRT are great at heating up room too.
I remember about 22 years ago we were running hundreds of 21" CRT Compaq monitors for a business system. We had to run them at very high res but also high Hz (75+). At one point we were losing a couple of them a week. Be careful if pushing those 20 year old monitors too high res and too fast.
nothing like playing osrs on an old crt monitor huh? yeah i saw that os buddy on your toolbar.
REAL NERD LOL
Crt kill your eyes
I used to have 2 Philips crt monitors back in the early 2000s. Now we only got 1
so look for a old expensive monitor that has years of use probably gonna break soon instead of my cheap 1080p 144htz , 1ms latency monitor uh ok lol???????
Most Staples stores take CRT monitors for free recycle. Call ahead though because not all stores take them.
I have no idea wtf your talking about why would you want to game on a lower resolution and less sharp display if you already have a decent 144hz IPS panel
Max OS X on a CRT monitor was smoooooooooooooooth like butter.
757 dislikes were given by eBay sellers. :D
I have 6 years old PC and it has built-in VGA connector on the graphic card. So if I would want, I can use CRT monitor.
get runelite please
I'd like to get a crt but i get terrible headaches on 50 hz crt. I'm also quite sensitive to the 240 hz pwm on samsung oled and unknown pwm on my samsung lcd. So I kinda doubt if there are any comfortable crts or plasmas for me.
The biggest issue is power draw. Crt monitors use a lot of power, lcd sips power.
I have always felt that CRTs offered a superior viewing experience at the cost of dealing with a huge bulky monitor. With the resurgence of things like vinyl and cassettes again, I wonder if CRT monitors will make some kind of small comeback. I wonder there are even any factories left that can make CRT tubes.
I used to use 21" SONY monitors at home and work - 1600x1200. Weighed a TON. I now use dual 4k, and do not miss the CRTs if I am honest.
I held on to crt tvs and monitors until 2016. The insanely high latency of modern panels was very hard to adjust to. New "1ms" gaming monitors are pretty close but damn those crts were fast.
I have one in Germany, its being sold for 281 Euros. Should I get it? An Sony GDM-FW900 I mean.
My relatively modern desk really will not fit a CRT monitor and that just makes me sad xD
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My eyes get tired in 2-3 hours with CRT monitors. But I can work all day with LCD ones.
Help, my Sony FD Trinitron F500 stopped working. It was working great but after a move, where it was face down in a car for about an hour, it stopped displaying an image correctly. I've transported it many times like this and it never had an issue before, it wasn't bumped, hit or dropped either. It turns on but the image and menu OSD looks like they're extremely out of alignment. Any ideas would be welcome, thanks.
Unless you're using one from the 70s, there's no "radiation" coming out of it that would harm you. They have lead layers to prevent that.
Yeah, I'll stick with my 27 inch/ IPS/ 1ms/ 4K/ gsynch screen. Its the best screen iv'e owned and ive been gaming since the days of the C64.
There are computers in use that will not work with modern monitors.
trash obv
My dad still has a CRT in the living room (some Loewe design tv) and is still being used on a daily basis since there is still analog TV (from which they said should have stopped October last year) and he wants good screen and since 98% of the channels I watch on my own LCD TV (1080P)it looks horrible in 576i. Only three out of 75 channels are in 1080p.....
I used to have an LG F900P (Flatron, flat screen) 19 inch CRT monitor, that could do 2048 x 1536 at 69 Hz. Paired with an Ati Radeon 9800XT, Far Cry was an absolute joy. It weighed over 25 kilos. Even though the image was so nice and crisp, I was happy to go to bigger (ultra)widescreen LCD's after that. It was a fantastic monitor though.
0:21 Subbed because you play Warframe. Man everyone is getting prime except me.
Crt was awesome..I still keep 2 working...once I have modified a tractor..vita a v8 engine..real computer and a small crt monitor replacing the dashboard...still working today
what about eye strain?
Radiation warning. CRT's made in 1995 or older are not used anymore because they emit harmful radiation.
Never did it but isn't display port supposed to support VGA natively?
+EposVox Yeah it's an active adapter but they are really cheap (under €15)
Inherently it can't given that it's a 100% digital connector..
CRTs rock!! Makes the picture seem so real and the screen is like a glass window!!
Long ago i had a 21inch sony flat tinitron crt and after that a 21inch dell flat monitor (maybe with the same tybe). I used to play in 100hz or 120hz depending on the game, not all games supported high reslutions back then, but high refresh rates? Yes. Good times. When both of them faded away in time, i had to replace them. No crt-s were available anymore so i had to go for an lcd. Not a good experience back then. Modern lcd-s are allmost as good as some old high quality crt-s, imo. 15 years ago i played on my dell monitor at 1800*1440 at 85hz. So the modern monitors and their specs do not impress me much, but theyr size though is impressive. Now i have a HP ZR24w S-IPS 24" and a DELL 24" U2412M eIPS. They are decent, but playing games was better on my crt-s when they were working well. Nostalgic memories.
Don't know why... I used to play FPS games on CRT just fine..... But when I play FPS on LCD/LED display, I end up feeling wanting to throw up.
Why aren't there any small companies making new CRTs for enthusiasts?
have to say i hated CRTs. i didnt like anything about them back in the day, im 31 just so you know i been around that time, they typically have a small screen but huge ass body, the power consumption of them as well!, i dunno what you guys see in them but i allways found picture quality to be shit. but dont get me wrong, there plenty of LCD monitors with shit quality too and i cant stand it either, but i allways been one to go for top end quality stuff so my standards are pretty high, my current monitor is a Alienware AW3418DW best monitor i had yet :P
You know what else doesn't do "pure black"? Any projector projecting onto a white wall/screen. In fact....black, in this case...is.....white. Your mind compensates. True story.
Wow some real weinies you have there that won't go inside the CRTs, it's really just one spot to avoid. :P Considering I've gotten all my CRTs for free and traded up each time how could I not recommend one CRT, if you can't even lift the small ones maybe you need that exercise. :\ I think it's worth saying that typically ANY electronic equipment can't be thrown in trash cans including LCDs so that is always an issue regardless. Just had a free LCD die so off to the specialized place it went. Lastly, can someone make my digital TV Guide work as fast as analog TV did since it can't keep up with my input speed?
You just reminded me of running sim City on dos. Damn I'm old.
The best about CRT technology is that is OBSOLETE because better technology kill them and only snob millenials claim that is better than LCD because they didn't suffer the technology cack when it was mainstream. Eye strain, washy colors, glare galore, flickering are some of the really bad things about them.
"because they didn't suffer the technology cack when it was mainstream" Except for the part where I grew up with CRTs and spent more years of my life using almost exclusively CRTs than LCDs so far? Sure.
I miss q3 on a crt
i loved my old CRT, used to have way better sharpness and colour. unfortunately it got dark and was no longer useful
people still get headaches from LCDs.
+EposVox anyone who has owned a better than budget CRT knows how good they are
they did but nothing ever came of it, was too expensive compared to LCD. was basically a tiny electron gun on every pixel
same but then i got one that ran at 85hz and it was brilliant
Wish I had a CRT... Sadly my dad threw it away, and retro games sux on wide-screen oled
Can anyone send me a monitor? Ill send pics 19M
I own 1 Song GDM FW900 and 4 HP A7217A which is the same as the GDM FW900 I found them on Craigslist
That Nuno Brandão (probably from Portugal), that commented (shown at 0:43), about Nokias, must have one similar or exactly like mine: Those make use of NICAM Stereo, which virtually (but actually) expands the sound in an amazing way. For a consumer-grade, non-P.V.M and non-Trinitron, is as good as they used to make... Made (or assembled) in Spain, although the tube itself is Thomson's. My mind was blown when i played Youtube videos on it, though R.G.B! The Reddest and Raddest RED i've ever seen; It's a good colour test: The intros for 'Classic Game Room'. And these are 720p vids (even though it's downscaled to fit PAL's 576i...) Better than any modern display i came across, in terms of contrast; saturation and blacks. Except resolution, obviously... Another point i never see mentioned is that analogue 60 FPS is smoother (perfect) than digital 60 FPS. My eyes can discern it easily, but then again i've never tested it in 120 or 240 Hz modes... (on a side-note) Even the monitor i'm using now for the P.C is a 2006 Samsung L.C.D, with very intense blacks and minimal input-lag. You need to keep adjusting the settings for quite some time to reach that sweet spot, but it's so worth it (most people today don't seem to notice over-saturation, since they use the store's default unprofessional/non-existing adjustment). Playing Playstation 1 and Saturn on it, using Mednafen is as close as possible to the original way (except hooking it up to a C.R.T monitor, as mentioned in this video). Nvidia's custom resolutions of 640x480 makes pixel alignment as accurate as possible (on the opposite end, Nvidia's Dynamic Super-Resolution allows it to go up to 2560x2048 (down-scaled, but still very sharp). Also using a PS1 USB-adapter (you can probably find them online: they're Sonic-Blue.) for even more accuracy, since modern controllers (Xbox-360; Xbox-One) don't register analog rotation the same way. And don't worry, the adapter won't add game-changing lag - - I'm talking from experience of playing on original hardware and then comparing it with the emulator (Abe's Oddysee, which has some frame-perfect jumps, feels the same).
This video made me miss my old Syncmaster.
18:25 offer low, and have them double box it and place it glass-down, much safer shipping method and 99% of the time if it's damaged you WILL get your money back thanks to ebay
Monochrome CRTs have resolution limited only by the spot size you can focus on the phosphor screen, and the horizontal and vertical sweep frequencies. For a surprising long time (perhaps 10 years?) very-high end broadcast color TV cameras featured monochrome CRT viewfinders for the camera operator. Even many years after color CRTs were available, and even after color LCD screens were available for use as camera viewfinders. It has been only recently when very-high resolution LCD (and OLED) technology provided enough resolution for the very critical function of allowing camera operators to see when the camera was in focus. Especially in high-stakes, fast-paced live broadcast situations like sports, etc. HOWEVER, color CRT resolutions are HARD-LIMITED by the shadow mask required to create the separate red, green and blue phosphor dots on the face of the envelope. You can attempt to shoot high resolution images at the antique shadow-mask color CRT, but you will NEVER get any higher resolution than the pitch of the RGB triangles that form the imaging surface. You can see for yourself by examining the viewing surface of a color CRT. Sony even invented the Trinitron which uses continuous vertical stripes of red, green and blue phosphor and that will theoretically allow very high vertical resolution, but it HARD LIMITS the horizontal resolution to the number of R/G/B stripes on the tube. There is no physical way around this limit to horizontal and vertical resolution in a color CRT. So all the hand-waving about the "good old days" seems like technically uninformed nostalgia.
crt is best but4:3 is shit
If you have both a VGA input and BNC inputs, which one would it be best to use?
Hey! We use CRT monitors in my school lol
My eyes and especially my ears hurt when I even think about those boxes
Too big. For me, that's a 110% dealbreaker. For gaming it might be fine (if you don't mind a small screen and 4:3), but for productivity use like Photoshop using Cintiqs this tech doesn't work.
Wathing 60fps capable YouTube videos in 60fps on a CRT is a completely luxurious to me.
CRT's cause headaches
0:27 they are not inferior, these idiots just build in the wrong panels (not enough VA)
CRT monitors used to make my eyes water and my head hurt. I say "used to make" because ever since I stopped using them I have never had those problems again.
Great video, but unfortunately you lost me between 4:00 - 5:30. The flashy images and on-screen text totally took my attention away from you talking. So my advice, do show your face in the video especially when talking about slightly technically things and put some of the things you say on the screen e.g. the video connectors you talked about. That makes it a lot easier to follow you and thus more fun to watch.
That doesn't happen on CRTs with high enough refresh rates!
CRTs will, most likely, never make a comeback due to CRTs not only being too expensive to make these days but it is also completely due to new government safety standards that, most likely, completely prevent completely newer CRTs from being completely made.
+GamingGuy800 That's entirely untrue. The only issues with OLED are burn-in (depending on the panel) and very long-term durability and CRTs have burn-in as well. LCD technology alone has surpassed the minor advantages CRTs had for a couple of years. CRTs are not as sharp or even as reliable nowadays. You can get LCD displays with better color accuracy and brightness than any CRT as well (although they will be expensive).
OLED is completely overrated unreliable shit and CRTs are still completely better than even any OLED display that I personally have completely seen!
+Cutmeo88 i think that is Nex Machina
Can you tell me the name of the game you played at 14:45? Thank you very much.
i also use my CRT big screen love this vid!
It would be cool if SOME company still made these- even low rate production for a lot of dosh- with all the modern bells and whistles (nicer plastics, better inputs, etc)
The true resolution of a CRT display is limited to its shadow mask. I highly question if any CRT incorporated a shadow mask with perforation greater than 2560x1920. Princeton Graphics were broadcast quality, some came in 16x9, offered 75hz compatibility, and less well known so gamers make not have picked over them.
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I had a gigantic 21" CRT Digital monitor with the bnc connectors back in the day. The old Hitman games looked amazing on it lol.
This is great, I remember how a buddy snatched up a 30 inch CRT they phased out at his workplace with some unheard of resolution back then, that freaking behemoth needed its own table but boy was it awe-inspiring, most monitors CRT or early flat panel back then were 15 inches. He sure enjoyed the heck out of Diablo 2 on that thing.
Turning a profit keeps forcing quality to a lower acceptable level
if you use the HDfury you can make that lagtester device work on CRT monitors like I have. Results are about what you'd expect when you consider how it draws on the screen.
+EposVox Then I'm not sure why you couldn't get it to work. I had zero issues.
I was running it through the HDFury :P
Best case use is you get to reenact the scene from The Matrix where Neo is told to follow the white rabbit
I have an old Hitachi CM810 (i think?) CRT monitor and the display was always great. Its freaking big and heavy though.
You forgot to mention that CRT's can go soft after a few years. Sometimes it's just a focus tweak, but the control for that is inside the unit.
CRT = cancer
I personally completely use my old Dell E773s CRT computer monitor as the main monitor for my Windows 7 desktop computer, however, the Dell E773s CRT computer monitor looks to now completely be a collector's item as the Dell E773s CRT computer monitor has completely started going up in price on Ebay!
Y u no plasma ?
space is a big thing. i remember the back end of my CRT being HUGE and taking up alot of space
HAHA I have 12 CRTs
Watching 60fps capable YouTube videos in 60fps on a CRT is a completely luxurious to me.
+GamingGuy800 But you can afford an Oled TV?
+Alexey Voevoda 1990 The Framemeister isn't cheap though!
Buy a framemeister.
dont discard, fix it, the emotion is the high voltage danger
I was one of those that could detect 60hz in a CRT. It really hurt my eyes and got me headaches. I had to put it to 85hz. The good thing of Flat screen is that the image is there permanently, it isn't drawn 60 /85/120 times a second.
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I still remember the days of me getting pallet loads of CRT 21" trinitrons for $5 :} memories
I own 5 CRT monitors and actually planning to get more =)
I rescued a Dell 21" 2001 CRT Trinitron from a bin. I feel good :D # SavingTheEnvironment
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The best part of CRTs was that they were compatible with light guns.
uh..its ok I'm happy with my 4k monitor rather then the shitty old technology...sorry this video is lame and you make it sounds like current monitors are not any better honestly old CRT looks like crap WAY lower resolution..also you keep on bragging about gaming on 120h with CRT...you know they have monitor now days higher then that right?
CRT still the best display. My eyes get tired very fast when looking at LED display. Only CRT I can use long hours.
I miss my FW900 CRT it had amazing PQ, I got a solid 5 years of heavy use out of it before the flyback transformer died but couldn't find anyone local to work on it, in 2005 I started an FW900 thread on hardforum dot com which over the years has amassed a lot of useful info on this model (repairs / calibration etc).
Much like vinyl, it’s just not worth the hassle. This is just a hipster take. Modern flat panels are so much easier on the eyes. If it passes the eye test it’s good enough for me.
I've been saying this for years. 4k tv's are a big whoop. Movies have been shot at 16k for the past 40 years. CRT Monitors were capable of great pixel density from day 1.
This had always bothered me about LCD screens. They were small yes... but they seriously lacked behind in technology that CRT monitors did. I mean it's not until within the last couple years that LCD screens have FINALLY caught up.
great video, was wondering if you could give me some advise. I have a Playstation monitor and it is rated at 240hz, have it hooked up to a custom built pc with a MSI RX560 OC LP. not sure what hdmi i have but with the small research i have done most HDMI's we all have are only rated to say 120hz and older ones at 60hz. Do you think investing in a high end HDMi cord ($50-$100) is something that can really push higher FPS/HZ? I at the moment sometimes get that wave across the screen and want to fix that. Any have an idea ?
I have been able to display 1080p on my crt TV. Cant see REALLY small text, but i can read most text from 1.5 meters away from the screen
I still have a crt tv that has component cable inputs. I only use it for my ps2. Right now on the top left corner of the tv has color issues that I can only fix by putting a speaker magnet on the corner. Degaussing can’t fix it. I already tried using a wand and the built in feature. I pretty much have to live with it. It’s too hard to find any crts that support component in my area and those that do are expensive
go for BNC CRT and use DVI/HDMI or VGA that is what did if you can find one or best that i do now 1080i crt with hdmi.
great video...but i was very disappointed at the point you say it´s dangerous to open crt monitors, and you should dispose correctly of them....i´d rather encourage the 2000s generation to disassemble and fix one, rather than asking their parents to buy an 4ktv. lucky of the ones who study 1960´s technology and basic electronics to survive EposVox, just look at the sign in all crt monitors> DANGER HIGH VOLTAGE, just like microwaves, plasma tvs, and mosquito zappers...it´s not danger, its fun
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So much hate?
Damn in getting nostalgic...
Obnoixous sound, thick glass between the actual color unlike modern displays, and no matter what they never just seem to look anywhere as sharp as modern monitors. Also ya the whole dangerous gas inside, high voltage, and incredible weight are really annoying. Not to mention how garbage multi monitor is with CRTs lol, try using 4 monitors all CRT
Watching this on CRT :DDD
I dont need anything Higher then 1080p 60hz
Have you seen a 1080p CRT? its beautimus
lmao at this point I'm pretty sure my school uses one of these...
you mentioned at 12:21 about 720 240 Hz CRTs. do you know where i could get one?
You should compare with an oled monitor :P
Ew! CRT Monitors? Are you a hipster?
You could punch a CRT out of rage in the old days, cant do that anymore.
game at 3:40?
i havent seen a second of the video yet but i can tell by experience that crt monitors are the best monitors ive used. the only issue is that its bad for your eyes. the color looks bright but not saturated, the contrast is just perfect for my liking and the "blurines" everybody talked about when comparing lcd vs crt makes it look kind of natural to the eye. configuring the image is a pain the first time but you only have to do it once so is not that bad i guess. ive used a samsung syncmaster 793s (i also had the chance to try the 793df but the flat screen it has makes the image look weird besides its obvious that the inside is curved and not flat as the exterior, which i find annoying.) between 2015 - end of 2018 because i always had a laptop, but i wanted to change and the only thing i had left was a crt because i thought i could use the laptop screen as monitor for the new desktop pc and turns out it was too complicated to do, so i had to use the crt and i dont regret at all having done so... well maybe a bit, because i think i see just a little worse than before but i'm not sure. now im using an lcd screen and i dont like being able to see every pixel. configuring the screen wasnt as easy because i had to change the gamma, contrast and saturation from the gpu drivers as the configurations of color, contrast and saturation of the screen did little to no good while trying to decrease the tremendous saturation of color i had at first but now it looks ok. the contrast of the screen is bad, the blacks look gray and the white blinds me, some colors look like washed out but if i increase the saturation the red and blue look like glowing but i fixed it somehow. the only thing i love about this monitor is that it saves energy, is not too bad for your eyes and the image adjusts itself if i change the resolution lol.
I'm still using a Sony Trinitron monitor from 1994 (made in the era of Windows 3.1), with a modern Mac Pro, and it looks glorious.
The trick for decent CRT experience that this guy is missing, if you're going to buy a CRT, you want one that hasn't been used too much. These things ALWAYS get dimmer with use over time, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to fix it. I remember the dimming CRT was the worst thing, cuz it meant you just have to get a new one. One other down side people should be aware of is that these things emit a highpitch whine, some people can't hear it, but if you can, it's extremely annoying. It's probably the true source of the headaches this guy mentioned getting from being near a CRT for too long. In my honest opinion, CRT's are dead technology. LCD's are vastly superior in every way.
Interesting video. I wasn't aware CRTs where still used. The last one I used was possibly the best Samsung 19" shadow mask monitor on the market, I can't remember the model number but it was quite expensive at the time(I wonder if it still in my basement...). I'm surprised you didn't mention shadow mask vs aperture grill considering the latter two horizontal wires made them unusable to a lot of people. What made me finally switch to an LCD monitor was the lack of flickering that would give me headache when working on the CRT for too long... ... but I do miss the colours and amazing blacks:(.
Really wish CRT technology just was allowed to improve instead of abandoning it entirely for flat panels. Who knows how much improvement could have been done by now? Even CRTs half as thick as they used to be would be preferable imo.
no, no im not gonna buy a crt
Anyone else notice how he was talking about more frames while playing war frame at 0:19. Wonder if that's intentional ;)
you look like washed up linus in the thumbnail
RIP
Pressing F to pay respects was very informative. Turns out it's YouTube's keyboard shortcut for fullscreen.
My dad bought a 20-something inch flat screen (not flat panel) Sony Trinitron. I remember being able to select approximately 1080p @ 240 Hz. The thing was MASSIVE, but it looked fantastic. Not as easy on the eyes due to the near-instant update rate. I'm an electrical engineer. The technology of CRTs are much more flexible, but very complicated due to needing a high voltage supply. LCDs require a lot of digital electronics, though.
So Technology shOuld go back to analog ??
Uhm.... I have an old Commodore 64 CRT monitor and it has the old composite connectors so I can hook up old game consoles without using converters. So if anyone wants to buy an old CRT monitor with composite just look for a Commodore 64 monitor.
That's called a "monitor" but that's really just a TV lol
12000 volt in front of you permanly is wrong exept if you like electric radiation
Except any CRT made after the 70s comes with blocking to prevent that from actually reaching you.
you play left for dead 2? try it on a CRT and turn the gamma up you will never be blinded by a boomer again
Only the hippest of hipsters want CRT monitors. No. Just NO!
Only the most insecure of insecure people wanna insult people and call them "hipsters" for having niche interests! No. Just NO!
Only the hippest of hipsters want CRT monitors. No. NO!
I'm a cable guy. I've seen a bunch of early widescreen HDTVs that look to be CRT. They have either DVI and/or HDMI, but won't decode 720p, and I've had to change the set to boxes to 1080i.
+Prefers Anonymity Oh yeah, those popped up a lot around that time, too. I honestly don't know what they actually support - you're probably right. Thanks for subscribing!
+EposVox ah, maybe I'm confused. I might also be thinking of rear projections not capable of progressive. Cool channel btw. Just subscribed!
There was a short run of HD CRT TVs (covered in my video about CRT TVs specifically) but not really that for monitors. Most of the HD CRTs could handle 720p and 1080i, both, though. Weird that you ran into issues with it.
Crt monitors are really bad for your eyes. I used to have 20/20 now one eye is off with near sighted and the other far sighted. All from my gaming years. You want a nice monitor fork over the 1k for a Westinghouse, best gaming monitor ever. I traded mine for an 86 200sx with 71k miles, try doing that with a crt.
haha i still use one 21"CRT monitor samsung syncmaster 1100p plus with some spare flybacks she survive very well here and many actual gpus not push high fps with 1536p. ps: the lack of bright on crt monitors is the dying flyback diode. any "pussy" repair shop wants to change this because the 15000v /15kV of this diode which needs to be discharged of energy and only the old electronics technicians know how to do today, and despite being really simple it is highly dangerous to do.
I had the highest-end NEC 20-inch CRT from the early to mid 2000's and that thing was amazing. It was a $1000 monitor and I got it for $20 from a local used computer parts store because they just priced stuff of a particular category/size all the same, regardless of model or age. I didn't quite realize what a gem I had bought until I looked it up when I got home. I felt like I had gotten the deal of the century (because I honestly had). Sadly, it died a couple years ago, but it was better than any flatscreen of its day and is probably still superior to many current flatscreen LCDs.
I love CRT monitors and used them for really long. But ones I have had have gotten glitches like disturbing sounds. And for work purposes the CRT screen(read picture size) weight ratio is just too bad. I do not have room and do not want to make room to run both setups. CRT monitors feel a lot better for my eyes to game on, but that is about it.
Oh god, the memories of comparative eye strain and drying in the bad old CRT days. Not to mention the comparative perceived sharpness of a comparable LCD stacked against a CRT. I think this is another case of looking at the past with rose coloured glasses and convincing yourself the experience was good. For most of us, we RAN away from CRT tech as soon as we bloody well could.
Thank you so very much for posting this video. I almost threw out my old Samsung SyncMaster 900 NF 19" monitor several times in the past several years, but didn't have the heart - as it was a bit expensive when I purchased it. It has a native resolution of 1600x1200 at 87 Hz. You made me glad I still have it, even though up to now I thought it was obsolete. It's not got that many hours on it, and it has component inputs as well as VGA. I think I may hook it back up to something, all thanks to you. Also, something else ... . You say your Gateway monitor is "dying" and won't be usable here --- https://youtu.be/ofK3MI3xM_4?t=382. On your video, the thick layers of dust in it are clearly visible. Suggestion; send an email to 'The 8-bit Guy', Dave Murray. He specializes in restoring old electronics hardware. He posted a few videos in which repairing a monitor or motherboard was fixed with only one capacitor. It seems to be a common thing with capacitors, they overheat and wear out - making the device malfunction. Anyhow I would wager your monitor is restorable and maybe even with only a few inexpensive components ... I'm no tech though. By the way, I seem to remember he is the actual originator of the "retrobright" method of restoring yellowed hardware cases! He does answer email. Good luck with this. www.the8bitguy.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8uT9cgJorJPWu7ITLGo9Ww The 8-bit guy David Murray - dfwgreencars@gmail.com
i'll stick with my Sony flat 30" CRT with HDMI port [ WIDE SCREEN ] i would be pissed if someone jacked it from me but i don't think they could move 200 pounds by them selfs it's a built in Anti Theft feature Zero lag input on the HDMI port
OVERCLOCK your CRT :)
Nice video. PlusI love the fact that you are playing Warframe on a CRT.
New LCD amoled screens have high refresh rates that are even better than old CRT monitors......refresh rates aren't a problem anymore
My last CRT monitor was 24 inch with tube behind a flat glass plate.. lotsa great refresh rates and the colour really popped. :)
I used to lug around my 21” crt to LAN events. It was difficult to say the least
I have a Samsung SyncMaster 793S... is only 70Khz horizontal refresh rate and 110Mhz of bandwdith... can scale decently high, but usually i use it at 1280x1024 at 65hz
lol i still have an old Gateway 2000 Destination series 34 in CRT monitor
Damn kinda disappointed no mention how cool it was to hook a Dreamcast to one of these back in the day
I used a Trinitron tube for years because of these reasons! Thumbs up!
That Sony Monitor is going for $2300 over on Amazon. You're welcome.
I still haven't seen an LCD display with an image as good as a Sun Microsystems-branded Sony Trinitron GDM-20E20 CRT from the mid-'90s.
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Good points but 2 points would wipe your arguments..3 points... 1 Power consumption. 2 space, transportation, placement. 3 waste, landfill and production process and materials.
Good for old games its bulky and generate a lot of heat I got one just for nostalgic experience with my classic win me pc.
Whats even better is that crt tvs and monitors are free....lcd tv and monitors cost $$$$$$
Crt way better and way more reliable....people are just brainwashed and stupid in general ..nice fake voice dude
I had a high res Sony CAD monitor. Wow that thing was amazing. Weighed more than my car though. The accuracy on color is still tough to beat. Contrast and luminance drive and Black drive level for me make CRT so attractive. There is no way I will never make CRT part of my workflow. Space the final frontier. As in none. The CRT is so deep due to the CRT gun and construct for focus all that happy other horse.....! My Sony was yeah the BNC 5 connection. If I get a gargantuan desk again? Maybe, but not likely CRT will come back in my life. Fun video though. I am a tech feign too, but perhaps a bit more practical. The move to CRT is not practical and not worth the hassle for me. Though a separate Linux station with a CRT from an old Sony or NEC sync pro Monitor. But that is a huge maybe, but not likely.
Actually, unless the monitor is a Sony, consoles will work on it. some have both VGA And S-Video output.
just use new computer stuff lol
CRT-s one of the things that I pretty happy they passed away. Blurry and blinky image, large, heavy, and wasting a lot of energy. LCDs are not ideal they have their own disadvantages but CRTs have been used for so long because there was no alternative for them. Ofcourse from today perspective they have some unique features and is a good idea to preserve them as historic thing. They was so important from technological point of view. But using them today? Only if there is no alternatives - for example lightguns they don't work with any of modern displays. In my opinion all of today's displaying technologys are better than CRT in every aspect.
Funny to see millenial hipster types get excited over CRT's. Like it's some unearthed lost treasure. Never mind they were unreliable, power hogs, larger screens could heat the average sized home all by themselves and of course the whole screen flicker thing that basically ruined the eyes of an entire generation. I still get migraines looking at them. I'll deal with the input lag if I can save my eyesight. CRT's were a product of their time and having been in tech for almost 30 years I'm glad their time has passed. Sadly their worst aspect is disposal which usually has mountains of them ending up in poor Asian countries where the local inhabitants are suffering not only from the mess but the toxins contained in the CRT tubes and electronic components.
Everything I've seen for Millennial/Gen Y extends to 2004, but yes, I am a millennial - but the implication (or sometimes direct statement) by many comments such as these is that I'm too young and never "actually used" CRTs when LCDs didn't take over until over halfway through my lifespan so far. As if they think CRTs died out in the 80s or some nonsense. And "hipster" is used as an insult. I'll embrace the Pichu hat all day, but people not understanding how time works, less so.
+EposVoxMillennials: Born 1981-1996 (22-37 years old) which would put you in or around the millennial category and hipsters are usually ppl with weird niche hobbies that most ppl don't understand Like crt monitors or collecting cassetes or records or vhs tapes or all hosts of different weird things since you qualify for both just embrace it
Well people are dumb, then. Especially since that particular Pokemon is from a game that released when we were still very much in CRT-only land. People's sense of time is so far off.
+EposVox It's the hat.
It's funny to see allegedly older people jump to call me a "milennial hipster" with no concept of age ranges or technology's development, as I am old enough to have spent more years of my life using exclusively CRTs pre-LCD takeover than using LCDs. All because I have a niche interest.
Good Video but....Hate the hat....
Sure it is.
+EposVox Not on a hat
8:07 Paramore Wallpapers, nice
Ah yes.. But there is One Problem in this post.. The AMIGA 1023/4 Monitors, had Both RCA, Composit, input, plus also.. Stereo sound.. Including "interlaced".. Try and find an AMIGA Monitor now? and you will have to sell your GrandMother.. TV Repair, with knowledge, still use one as reference screen..
Quake III Arena ftw
Your intro music is cool ! Name of it ?
wearing your hat indoors is vulgar and degenerate
LMFAO wat
That old scool high pitched sound brings back memories
wireless will give you cancer. its microwaves ffs. you're cooking your balls as well as your head. but its a really slow cook, that's why your national standards division doesnt give a fuck.
I don't think I'd ever go back to CRT for a PC (unless I wanted to build an old rig), but I still use them all the time for my older consoles. :) Was just playing Dragon Quest VIII on my CRT. Looks beautiful!
Dooooooode, CRTs are the best. Got mine from eBay for 8.50€ (about 11$) and it is perfect, no burning, no flicker, it supports from 640x480 to 1280x1024 at 120Hz. Try to get a good one and experience it before they go away for good.
I have to use crt monitors, lcds burn my eyes, tear retinas (literally), give me severe eye pain (pulling on the retina feeling) also a lightshow when I close my eyes lasting hours. I've tried all kinds of lcds to rid this problem IPS,TFT, Flicker free, even the 120hz strobe mode (some trick that makes lcds refresh like crts or something which was nice I didn't see motion blur but didn't help with eye problems) obviously setting the brightness low as well didn't help. At home all my tv's are 720p PLASMAS (no issues can watch em all day) and monitor is of course a crt.. Any ideas on what in the lcd technology is causing this?
About your Gateway monitor, looks like his capacitors are dying, if you recap it will probably comeback to life.
That's what I'M sayin' too! Throwing away an old monitor worth $100s that could be fixed with under $20 worth of capacitors seems foolhardy. B'H.
Actually I am selling my two CRT in 5dlls each
Crts look dim and washed out,i can't even compare their looks to even cheap lcd monitors :/
Not when they're configured properly.
I had years of fun playing Quake 2 on a CRT. I still have a 19" in the next room that's buried under some stuff but I won't be pulling it out again.
Growing up in the 70's and 80's I had my fair share of CRT displays. I had a 13", 15", 17", 19" and finally 21" (both in convex and flatscreen) CRT monitors. The 21" flatscreen weighed 70 Lbs. I'm not joking. 1.) So for starters, CRT's make whatever room they're in VERY hot. 2.) Some of us can visually notice the refresh rate of the screen (which causes migraines. Regardless the refresh rate). 3.) They are magnetically sensitive. Simply using non-shielded active monitors (speakers) close to your CRT monitor could cause discolored orbs in the vicinity of where the magnetic field was. The feature of degaussing WAS built into the monitors but nevertheless you had to keep magnetic objects away from your CRT. 4.) For larger monitors you had to have a VERY deep desk. They take up TONS of room. 5.) They are only good for 4:3 ratio. Etc. 6.) If you need one fixed NOWADAYS there aren't REALLY many people/companies that CAN repair them. They somewhat fell victim to the mentality that it's cheaper to replace and moved onto other career choices as no one was repairing electronics. The list goes on.
I have an old 19" crt in the loft and I don't miss it at all, they're just too big and as good as they can be I'm happy to give up the small advantages for bigger modern monitors, they just don't offer enough anymore and nostalgia is not a good reason for me :)
Several notes - the reason why CRTs are blurry (especially) at higher resolutions is caused by the dot matrix. And there's no way around it. It basicaly samples the input image and you are always resizing/scaling your image to the dot matrix "resolution" (usually it has ~100ppi). That is why CRTs are slightly blurry at any resolution. It's not as pronounced as LCDs in non-native resolution, but you will never get native resolution LCD sharpness. And if you get 4k 24" LCD, you will get sharper image even when scaling to resolutions used by older games (lets say up to 1024*768). But for the retro feeling sharpness is not what people usually want. 100nits was surpassed ages ago. Virtually any LCD you bought last 10 years will do around 200 on max or more. Recently we are getting as high as 1000nits. One artifact that CRTs have is shadow of the image on the luminophere that stays seconds (it's very dim ,but it's there). Try bouncing white box on dark screen (old dxdiag had this test). You will see remnant of the white box seconds after it moved to the other side of the screen. Fortunately it's usually visible only at night. I would not recommend to anyone to use 60Hz CRT. It's way to damage your eyes and get headache. 85Hz was minimum for me and I can clearly percieve the difference up to 100Hz (beyond that it's all the same to me). I do get, that some people like the image and/or retro feeling, but do not mistake it with technical quality advantage CRTs had when compared to first LCDs. In many ways it's similar to vinyl.
My CRT monitor is a black Dell Hyperscan at it cost me $37 used on eBay 11 years ago. Some Dell CRT monitors are gong for over $500 so it's a demand
Ew! Calling people hipster? Are you insecure?
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i still have 3 units of crts monitor. never use them in almost 12 year.......
and all of them still in a good shape btw.
crts are superior for older games , not newer games or newer bluray , ultra hd formats. Also gsync is superior to anything a crt offers when it comes to refresh rates. The only thing a CRT can do well still is black levels and even then we have OLED TVs now. I could see your video being a valid argument back 8 years ago
10:27 that cable management tho :(
Boiiiii I got not 1, not 2, not 3, not even 4 but 5 sony fw900's. :D Got them from a college years ago when they where THROWING THEM OUT.
Cool video man, Ill stick with my Acer h7 4k.
I have a lot of vintage workstations and those computers looks awesome with a old school full size CRT.
I sure remember using those monitors There were 2 things we looked for with monitors, one was a refresh rate and second we looked at was a number that basically gave you a idea on how good it was and how sharp the picture was. A good monitor had a .28 while a crappy one was around .40 which gave you fuzzy text. Some Sony's had a .22 or .20 and they were a bit expensive. I had a Viewsonic 21 in. monitor and it was a very good monitor. Those days of looking at a small screen are thankfully over. Yeah, I'd not want to try a old monitor because the capacitors are all dried out and most of the time all you get out of a old CRT type is a lot of smokes and sizzles. If you have a really old TV plug it is and you'll see this in action....
They were ancient trash until I watched this video! Great idea turning them into a classic style display treasure. That big boxy cabinet can be theme decorated/painted for added effect.
the line on trinitrons always made me OCD AF
I used to love to turn out the light, and put my hand on a CRT screen and flash a camera flash, and it would make a print of my hand glowing on the screen phosphor!
Oh yeah, when I got the part about resolutions, I remembered something. My Trinitron used to be able to run 1600x1200 @75Hz, but ever since I upgraded to a 1070.... nope, I'm stuck with dirty old 1280x1024
I have four monitors hooked up to my PC right now and one of them is a THICC Sony Trinitron Multiscan 520GS
So, I shouldn't toss my old KDS with the trinitron tube? lol Just in case nobody said it yet, don't take a CRT apart unless you know what you're doing. They're not millennial-safe. edit: I shouldn't have watched, I had forgotten how much the new monitors suck. :/
Oh yeah are CRT PC Monitors in 2019 - Ancient Trash or Display Treasure? IDK looks like im gonna have to watch 20:17 and 6 ads to find out haha
Melee nuf said
here https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00004YNSR/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all
its pricey though
LOL this reminds me of an 21inch Dell monitor I had. I was laughed at, while barley being able to walk this thing into a LAN partly My parents tried a LCD monitor, but gave it away again, because they prefer looking at pictures on their CRT monitor.
The Wayback Machine has the information on the 200VX if you still need it. They archived the company's website so all the specs are there, even the part number: 900299
you can say what you want, but they are too small
The most satisfying thing about having a CRT as a kid: opening it up while it's on to see how it works and "popping" the capacitors with a butter knife. Great fun when you're a kid.
Let's not forget the higher power consumption and huge heat dissipation of the CRTs
Hi. Thanks. CRT, one is missing out with the best game next to Shenmue series, the 2nd best game of all time: House of the Dead 2 (3rd best game of all time: The Longest Journey by Funcom) ... on the Dreamcast with a light gun (two is maybe too much light flashes but it's easier to finish this hard game which I haven't finished despite having played it since 2015) + on a good, big, flat PC CRT monitor + VGA box. Though because the refresh rate in PC monitors is too high 60hz minimum, it won't work with older than SEGA Dreamcast light guns like the light gun for Virtua Cop for the SEGA Saturn (unless maybe you replaced and somehow make it work- that receiver in the gun with a modern sensor). It's best to check the minimum hz in the CRT TV one is buying (best they say is the BVM, second is the PVM but the best if you're not going to game on light gun as and instead on games that use the Wii/U controller or Move controller (attached a gun holder for it) of similar, the best, still is a high refresh rate OLED so the best blacks (new LED LCD are coming out that'll rival this). Though CRTs don't have input lag compared to OLED or LCDs. CRTs (especially BVMs and PVMs). Good CRTs (again BVMs or PVMs or perhaps a good flat PC CRT monitor) are great for twitch/reflex gaming like Tetris, FPS (first person shooter) and fighting games. God bless, Proverbs 31
i love old crt monitors there cool and no one will steal them lol thats why thats all i use hahha
what a moron "HD monitors are boring" nice tech jargon there you expect me to think if i had a choice between 8k monitor or a CRT i should get a CRT?
Yep because most people have 8k monitors, especially over the past 10 years within the context of what I explained. Great comparison. I, too, would choose a high quality 8k monitor over a CRT.
Realisticly speaking, the best there is now is 27" 1440p 144hz ips monitors. new models have 10bit panels and 95% dci p3 coverage... so nothing against those monitors except that 1080p and all other resolutions will look a bit blurry on 1440p monitor.
Calling it "authentic" feels backwards to me. I mean I get it, "that's how it was meant to be seen", but maybe it wasn't, maybe that's just all there was back then and if there were other options people wouldn't be using it - like they aren't now that they don't have to. I don't miss the gross radiation eye killing feeling of looking at CRTs or even being around them, I always wonder if they made my vision worse because I stared at them constantly, and yes of course I had the refresh rate turned up. It felt like a strobe light flashing in my face at 60hz, and flashing faster doesn't make me feel better about it, it just makes it so I can look at the screen without screaming and covering my eyes. On LCD higher refresh rates are nice, on CRT I don't know how anyone could stand looking at them at 60-70hz. Whenever I think of CRT monitors, I'm thankful for not having to use one anymore. Enjoy it if you want, but I want none of it, and I disagree about it being "authentic". Authentic to what exactly? Your memories, nostalgia, the way things used to be, sure. But the pixels are less pure, less true, less literal, less distinct - blurred, inaccurate, glowy flickery staticy radiation that makes me feel like it's actively sapping my health just being near it, and especially when first turning it on. I like pixels. Clearly defined, precise, exact, and exactly what was being output to begin with, before tampering or quality loss caused by CRTs - that's more "authentic" to me. I just want to see what's on the screen, not the screen itself. The screen should be an invisible, forgotten magical window that just shows the true image, without muddying it or making you actively aware that you're looking at a computer monitor.
+EposVox Admittedly, that Super Metroid on a monitor looked pretty good. I still don't want it, though. :P
Literally the way many games' art direction, coloring, shadow use, etc. were designed CRTs - flaws and all - and LCDs/higher res stuff ends up exposing a lot of stuff that you weren't meant to look at. That is authenticity. Games weren't designed for awful RF or composite signals, no. But the actual screen types, yes.
Were the same age but I don't have the balls to rock hats flat bill let alone a Pikachu one. Bet ten bucks that hat never see's daylight lol.
+EposVox It was my favorite too growing up. Charizard a close second.
I'm not a fan of hats in general, they make my head itch. but Pichu is adorable as hell
treasure cuz melee
Power consumption is also an issue with these CRT monitors. Most are not energy efficient.
When you get no more ideas for yt videos
Yep. All this work for a complete lack of ideas. As a sequel to a previously-released video on the subject that was already successful. The definition of an idea. But nope, #outofideas
CRT monitors need more electricity than modern displays
We have a problem, the modern gpus doesn't have analogic output. :( Active converters not support custom resolutions.
Pikachu? Are you 8?
"Ancient Trash or Display Treasure?" I would choose Display Treasure! (I miss my CRT...)
It would be nice to find NEC MultiSync FP2141SB-BK 22" CRT Monitor (Black)
Do you have a cat? I'm asking because I saw some sort of tail moving in the background.
Yep, I have two!
I have trouble getting past the imperfections of CRT displays. In nearly all cases straight lines aren't straight, especially near the edges of the display, and there were also focus issues at the edges that made those parts of the image less sharp than the center. Flat panels don't have those problems; they CAN'T have geometry or sharpness problems by their nature. Unless you have a CRT from the sunset days of the technology the surface is curved, and not in the direction that you might want it to be curved; the screen is convex from the user's point of view. That's just bad. Many CRTs offered resolutions that were beyond the capability of the picture tubes in them. Sure you could crank your monitor up to some crazy high resolution, but it put the pixels closer together than the dot pitch of your CRT! The result was as terrible as you would expect. CRTs do still have the advantage of blacker blacks (unless you're comparing against OLED) and less input lag, though you lose a lot of that input lag advantage if you have a new video card with no analog outputs. But that's not enough to make up for their disadvantages for me.
I remember back in the late 90s when I changed the resolution on my monitor to the highest it could go and was very disappointed that it could only operate at 60Hz. I'd completely forgotten until now that the usual back then was 75Hz.
Okay that's fine but, why just don't buy a 240hz 1080/1440p modern monitor? I think is stupid to have a gigantic 70 pounds monitor today lol
Watching this video on a CRT xD (Core i7 3930K, GTX970, 32GB RAM)
there are sony tvs from 2008 that have dvi and do 1080i
Linkin Park. Nice.
You really dropped the ball on the real advantages of CRT. Firstly is the contrast ratio. A typical CRT is more than capable of 15000:1 static contrast. A regular LCD monitor is typically 1000:1, and even fancy "HDR" monitors rarely breach 3000:1. This is most apparant at night. I distinctly remember playing Doom 3 on a CRT at night with the lights out. An incomparable experience where the black parts of the image truly appear black, and the peak brightness isn't much of an issue. Even if they are more susceptible to glare from other lights, especially the sun, this advantage is huge. They also have pure power gamma response, meaning that they don't crunch blacks, or brighten them, or have strange colour tints. But always have correct brightness. Very few LCD's manage this, though it has been getting better in the last few years. Finally, they typically have more saturated colours. All of this adds up to an image which is much better. While consumer CRT's were never as good as professional ones, there is an ongoing crisis in video mastering studios as their old CRT's are dying, and not a single flat panel is capable of replacing them at any price point.
Actual contrast of the image it can send out is still impacted by how it projects light, which works very differently
It is to a degree; some people don't notice a difference, and plenty of CRTs are calibrated very low contrast and blacks don't look black at all, etc. I've put people side by side with the two and some NOT prefer the CRT contrast/depth.
+EposVox You implied that it was a totally subjective thing, which isn't true at all.
I literally touched on this, just didn't directly address specific contrast ratios because most people don't really know what that means.
CRT displays look awesome. When I watch LCD TV I feel nausia and when I watch on good CRT I don't feel nausia.
@2:00 - Thats why I own a Commodore 1084D. It runs on Composite as well as digital and analogue RGB, which is awesome!
I believe most of the monitors today are LED & OLED. Both of which will easily outdo CRT & LCD monitors
yep
that reply is also vulgar and degenerate
i have never spent more than 1$ on a monitor. but i got a Dell P1110 and P1130 on my main PC and on my desk i got a P780 and a P990 on 2 different computers. there common and have a great picture. the best if have yet to see on a display for color depth.
voltage wont kill you, it aint that bad to get bit by the flyback.
also i have been looking for a FW900 for almost a decade.
my main setup is 2048x1536 80hz
Good job.
Love my Dell 17 inch CRT Monitor. Not the best CRT, but for classic PC games, it smokes any LCD for picture quality.
Quite frankly I'll buy whatever is available at the time and that is DVI or HDMI. All the rest are nothing but eye candy. And then the buy time is once every 7 or 8 years. CRT monitors might last longer but the desk real estate is extremely excessive.
I've been around long enough to suffer through the age of CRT. Fuck those candles of Satan.
I threw away a Vision Master Pro 510. I feel a bit bad about that, but I feel worse about the fact that i bought it in the first place.
This could like you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-dliPpV4d8&lc=z23tgdxxoridvzoyb04t1aokgi33a4z0zw5vgyx3ynv2rk0h00410.1548530270831646 He used a second gpu with analogic output to send the video.
Yep, covered this in the video.
My first CRT was a 14" midget, but I loved it so much. I was in awe how much superior the image quality was compared to a TV.
I don't miss moving them bricks of monitors around, tried moving 21" Sony CRT?
I wish I kept my 19 HP CRT monitor
You're making me want back my old dual 19" inch Trinitrons haha..
just looked up the prices... omg... I just recycled those for free like 10 years ago.. Had I known what they are worth now!? lol wtf.
I'm a designer and use photoshop, illustrator (haven't used 3D modelling tools since the late 90s) and I don't play video games so this presentation was very educational to the world you are connected with (gaming) . Using photoshop at higher resolutions is always a nicer experience on CRT. More accurate and faster with proper color functionality - I'm not trashing the new tech but it's far from perfect.
CRT's don't cause Macular Degeneration like it's replacement. If people don't believe current flat screen lighting tech is not safe, you should really do some real basic research. This past summer, both USA and Canadian goverment admitted it is a damaging tech to the eyes. They issue the warnings so they don't get sued in the future as it's a fact. Sometimes convenience is not the proper path.
LCD flat screens are a symptom of heavily compressed content...and excel at making it look good. I pick up every Viewsonic, Sony, Samsung CRT I see.. and usually they are free. I've been a huge fan of the Commodor monitor since 1987.. I always have several in storage. Just found one last week on the top of a electronics recycling pile, like new. Current retail value on feebay is $200 USD.. and that's what they are selling for. A good topic but probably way confusing for most?
Sadly they are pretty much dead for 15+ years. Most people tossed them when LCD replaced them in new products. Even a 17" weighs a damn ton and takes a lot of space. The desirable CRTs were very expensive and sell for a hefty premium nowadays if they even existed/were sold in your country to begin with!
Through an adapter, you can also connect normal TV to a PC. Also vga. There is a specific one for PC too.
I sorry but CRT monitors are history
Carmack's monitor was an Intergraph, not Silicon Graphics. Sure, when Intergraph went bust in 2000, they sold parts of their company to SGI, but back in the 90's, they were a pretty big player in the high end workstation segment.
The thumbnail is life. IBM!
It seems a little surprising that there is not just one factory somewhere in the world for new CRT computer monitors and TVs. I've heard the reasons, I'm just not sure there is not enough of a market to support a factory, even with all that entails. It's not clear how shipping used CRT would be any more of a risk than ever. There has always been risk. Of course it should be padded as well as originally or better.
Excellent video. My Atari SC1224 monitor on my Atari ST looks better in a lot of regards than my modern LCD.
I got lucky enough to find a new in box 22 inch 2048x1536 trinitron a few years back. should have bought more of them.
Not enough space for all the things i want. Like CRT monitors snd dos boxes
I miss my CRT TV...
+EposVox Nice.
I am still not too sure about those CRT laptops
It's a shame that you can't find any repair store that will deal with CRTs. I live in Chile and I'm literally the last person left in my city that works on and repairs CRTs if the person's willing to pay for the spare parts to get it back up and running. I even solder back the VGA cables, it's not that hard really.
Mmm that electric bill is so smoooooth with crt........ :D
I have a Compaq FS7550 running at 1440x1080 at 140hz interlaced, and everything looks crisp as hell! no flicker from the interlacing either! I've also managed to get 320x240 and such working for old console emulation, and is nothing short of god-tier.
we still have our old xp pc from 2002 with a hp pavilion mx70 monitor
I still use the same CRT monitor from my first (decent) computer from 2002. I liked it so much that when it got wrecked from a power failure (or whatever causes a horizontal "wrinkle" to form), I went out of my way to find another on eBay in 2010. Needless to say, I paid precious cos if its weight and size which made the shipping more expensive than the monitor itself. But so worth it. Still running it today.
Someone is a Ubuntu fan Bionic Beaver.
I had an electrohome ecp4500 crt projector. Looked like traffic lights and weighed 60 kilos. Best for gaming by a mile. No blur, black blacks, high native contrast, good brightness in dark room, no input lag, 30 000 hour tube life. Mine had hdfury adapter at 720p/1080i. There is tonne of calibration that can take hours to setup correctly but the quality is worth it. I was 38 rank in the world in Killzone 2 playing on it till the green tube died. I binned it 5 years ago. I use epson eh tw9100w and despite the benefits its has. It has got poor motion resolution, 60 ms input lag, panel misalignment.
Mate, great video. Subscribed ;)
the ultimate RuneScape 2007 monitor
Unfortunately my Sony Trinitron went south but it lasted almost over 10 years. My only complaint was it felt as heavy as 2 cinder blocks. So moving it was a chore. But it's one of the only "pc" items I bought that actually went up in value.
Plasma displays did have a better perceived contrast. But with newer tech lik OLED panels, thats no longer an issue. Black levels on OLED displays are better than plasma and CRT.
Anyone ever put a magnet in front of the CRT monitor? Yah.. messes up the screen lol.
Not permanently. That's what Degaussing does to fix issues - just activates a magnet through it.
Oooh.. So that's why i remember old games looking better and sharper than they're now. Now i need a 1080p 16:9 crt.
did you say 240p ..lol...il pass...i like my 55 inch 4k ..im not going backwards.i thinks crts look like shit..plus their power hogs....ive heard enough 7 min..
I didn't say the CRTs were 240p, no. I specifically covered how they could go up to near 4K.
I used a Dell P1130 for years before the colors got so out of whack that it didn't look good anymore. It was kind of cool to run at 2048x1536 @ 85 Hz and run 1080p in a box on the screen. I still have it but can't find anyone who might be able to fix it.
Help!!! Im trapped in fullscreen for trying to pay respects! How do I get out??? Woe is me!
Am I the only one who can hear a high pitched sound produced by CRT?
Those typically only come from TVs
Eh, so 2 thoughts: this video is very interesting, but your sound is fucked, sounds really "over processed" or flat, hard to pin down but its annoying as hell. 2nd thought is that you should really mention the radiation that comes from CRT monitors, if you don't ground them, they are amazing EM radiation polluters and might give some people permanent complications and damaged eyes.
Sound isn't fucked, I'm using one of the best VO mics you can get and things aren't over-processed at all. Tiny bit of EQ, but otherwise left alone. I do have a mid-low focused voice that can apply pressure to sensitive ears, but I've yet to find a fix, but on any capable headphones/speakers it sounds great. Also CRTs are specifically lined with lead to prevent radiation leak - that was fixed in the 70s.
RF. In the UK it was SCART or RF.
I want CRTs to come back, but without lead nor magnetic deflection!
I've always wondered why my old Compaq crt had a sharper image than most of my lcd panels. Thanks for the insight. But yea, the weight, size, and power use are really the big drawback to trying to use more than one in a room.
I use a 49 inch 4K flat screen tv as my gaming pc monitor. Even a 28 inch screen is waaaay too small for me (I tried to go back to a smaller screen). There is no way I could or would ever go back to using a CRT.
My Gaming rig: Ryzen 7 2700X EVGA Black RTX 2070 16 GB 2400mhz ram Gigabyte GA-AX370-DS3H Acer GN246HL 1080p 144hz
I used to play my Dreamcast connected to a CRT PC monitor by way of a Dreamcast to VGA adapter. The Dreamcast games looked smoother, and just overall way better on the CRT than it did in the TV.
While I only use it as a test bench, I still have my 21" HP P1130 CRT. I refuse to part with it. No flat panel matches it's color reproduction. In 2002, I was gaming at 2048x1536 before most people had ever even heard of 1080P.
CRTs may have been preferable to the horrible LCDs of the early to mid 2000's, that I can understand. But seriously, there is no way I would consider even the best ones (Sony FW900) over a decent high res, razor sharp clarity, deep black, high contrast VA LCD monitors of today. Even the perfect motion fluidity of CRTs cant convince me otherwise. Have owned about a dozen CRTs since the early 90's and am thankful they are no longer produced. Not to mention that over time they deteriorate badly (discoloration and reduced luminance). You may be able to repair them temporarily, but you will be hauling that POS numerous times back and forth to the shop each time.
Nice OSBuddy there bro, whats ur rsn
3 years ago I threw out a CRT monitor that had tons of connection in the back. Maybe it was worth some money? :-(
I've recently watched a Sony GDM-FW900 on ebay Germany that had damaged antiglare coating (which is nothing special really) but was otherwise still fine. My jaw dropped when the price shot up to 609 euro (roughly 680 usd) in the last 30 minutes... for a pickup-only offer D: Guess I'll be stuck with my old Eizo FlexScan T68 19" and F520 17" monitors for a while...
I actually had a gigantic sony-manufactured SGI-monitor as a night stand in maybe 2002-2007. It was, iirc, single sync, connected only via BNC connectors and had a bunch of potentiometers to trim in the signal. Weighed maybe 80 lbs, heavy as fuck. I never used it though, the guy I got it from said that if I was to ever get it running I would never want to use another screen again. I think I threw it away in 2007 when I moved to another apartment, but I've regretted it a few times since then...
Yeah, except with OLED you now have a whole host of different issues that make long-term use difficult, like super easy burn-in or one color channel wearing out faster than the others (usually blue), giving the entire picture an unwanted tint. This crap happened years ago when OLED was fresh (good luck finding a Galaxy S2 that doesn't have massive green tint or a S3 with a pink tint or a S4 with a yellow tint to the entire screen for example) and this still happens today (OLED TVs and monitors being exhibited at CES a year or two back that were sneakily replaced before reopening for the next day because they suffered from massive burn-in all over the screen area)
Escape... literally lol
+EposVox Hmm, my porta pros sounds fine anywhere else, I don't doubt the quality of your mic, but maybe in that case it simply doesn't suit your voice, a mic that pics up the softer vibrations more would be better. Anyhow, it sounds compressed somehow, but if it's just me that hear this, well, I'm a very sound picky person. We had a lot of news articles from late 90s and early 00s about EM pollution from CRT displays, that it could increase 10 to 100 fold if they where not connected to a grounded socket, but this is Sweden, haven't seen many grounded sockets in US electronics.
I have a Philips, which has an HDMI input and can 1080i. It is one of the few crt that HD can. And looks better than my 42 "LCD from lg. So it is not, too low resolution, only on the PS4 there were problems. The picture is smaller, but better.
TV CRTs are too low res for that to be of any use though...
It's nice to see someone that still appreciates CRT monitors these days, LCDs were a large leap back in technology and it took them decades to offer even a fraction of the features a CRT had available for the previous half century. It wasn't until just the past few years that LCDs graduated from being stuck at 60 Hz, which genius designers thought was OK because the backlight was on all the time and you didn't need a higher refresh rate. I still have eight CRTs in decent condition and a further two that are not functional due to analog board issues and one which had a short in the VGA cable that I've not been able to work the pinout for. The two with analog board issues are unfortunately my best monitors, both were a matching set of 21" Dell P1130s. One stopped working completely due to multiple component faults and the other has similar faults but still works with a vertical retrace line. I'll eventually fix them, I just need the time to sit down at my bench and test the boards as they're super complex. Your pink CRT monitor is a lost cause. It has both analog board faults and a very worn out tube. You can fix the analog board, but the image is still going to be pink and dark because the electron guns are worn out. You can sometimes use a tube rejuvinator to get a bit of extra life out of them, or crank the current up on the flyback, but this will drastically accelerate the death of the tube. Rebuilding the tube is possible, but it requires specialized equipment and knowledge that is quickly vanishing.
The largest reason that I moved away from CRT was the flicker and resolution. 60Hz is noticeable to me. The minimum that I would run was 75hz on CRTs, or I would get a headache. I don't know how many times I was told by others that this isn't a thing that happens, but it was. As resolutions went up the ability to maintain that 75hz without a huge power draw of a monitor became hard. There was one that my father had purchased that was a Sony of some sort in the early part of the 2000s. I don't recall the specifics on it, but I really enjoyed that monitor, other than it's massive weight and 200W power draw. I don't recall the resolution that it would go to right off, but I know it was over 2000 horizontal and it was 80hz.
you talk like you are constantly trying to sell something
I had two 24" Sun T-Rex widescreens. 105lb each.
When we were getting rid of them no one would take them, including the dump. Then one day we were driving in a bad neighborhood and saw pile in a vacant lot...... So went home brought ours to the lot and it joined the 100s of other TV's there
So my old Sony Trinitron might be worth a couple bucks? Came with my Vaio back in 2003 I think.
It's too bad the standard aspect ratio back then was 4:3. The 16:9, 16:10 ones are too expensive.
The CRT is a continuos electrons beam at close distance pointed right into your eyes and skull. Burning eyes and headaches after long sessions... do you say they have personality? They are JUNK and HEALTH HAZARD
People really exaggerate the dangers of these monitors, the tube itself has a high voltage but the capacitance is so low it is just like a bad static shock. What is actualy dangerous in these monitors is the power supply capacitors, they actually contain enough energy to stop your heart...
was that a intergraph computer at 12:13??
Can you show us Retroarch with shader options applied to the game?
i Had to get rid of a gorgeous 19" Flat CRT because I didn't have the space. I remember getting a new pc and connecting up that monitor, 10 minutes later my eyes felt like they were bleeding. Relized the refresh rate was only set to 60Hz. Bumped it to 75 and my problems went away. I do miss the old CRTs. When HD was just coming out I wanted to get CRT HDtv or plasma. But ppl like thin over picture quality, so thats what we're stuck with now.
My problem with CRTs has always been the blacklevel compensation. Most CRTs just don't do dim images well. Some videos are unwatchable because you can't see anything in the shadows. The Phillips Lightframe 2 monitor I currently use is the only one with acceptable blacklevel behavior, and even then I would have liked it to be better.
Thank you for the green message about disposing these beasts, responsibly. I have hauled a few of them from my apartment's dumpster. Greetings from Houston ( refugee from California ).
Nah. CRTs are dead for a reason. LCD was the future now we're coming onto microled. :)
I actually work at an electronics recycling facility so this is hilarious to see. Last year (2018) we recycled 35 million pounds of CRTs. I designed the demanufacturing line that dismantles them a few yeas back, and last year I designed the processing line that separates the clean (panel) glass from the leaded (funnel) glass. Check out dynamic lifecycle innovations (previously named dynamic recycling) on YouTube, its pretty neat to see
Except using a flatscreen TV as a computer monitor is a horrible idea though since flatscreen TVs have more input lag than even flatscreen monitors!
@Random Tube That sound is generated by the line transformer which operates at 15625 Hertz (PAL System). It is extremly loud for some people, I knew of someone many years ago who couldn't have a TV because it was so annoying.
LED is a type of LCD, They call them LED displays because the backlight is a series of LED's rather than flurescent, technically they are still LCD's. OLED is a totally different technology to LED/LCD and is more comparable to the old Plasma technology.
I would love to have a CRT again but I just don't have the space for it. :(
All local dumps take crt monitors
GT at 3:30 abandon video
I find LCDs better for PC retrogaming: 320x200 upscaled to 1280x800 at 70hz through OSSC looks niiice. CRT strains the eyes after about an hour of gaming, and looks really blurry at resolutions higher an 1027x768 (even worse than resampled LCD). I am lucky to have "dumb" LCDs, which seem to add no lag at native 1080p resolution (my gameplay seems easier with LCDs than through CRT TV or PC monitor).
10:14 Grammarly ad playing on the crt monitor
You've never had to carry a 21" Compaq tube monitor up 2 flights of stairs; I did, so...yeah, current displays are just fine with me, I'll take boring and not-back-destroying.
What is the name of that case at 12:46 ?
the literal only reason i don't use a crt is because of the 480p signals of most, but i didn't know you would get a full hd freaking CRT
holy crap 2048×1536px (QXGA) @85 Hz was vga's max bandwidth why did it take us so long to get hdmi and display port to where they are now if vga was already that far
Kinda clickbaity title. I expected to see brands that still produce modern CRT displays.
+EposVox Your intention and the audience's expectation might not always be the same. The video was still interesting though.
That wasn't at all implied.
I couldn’t figure out why I sucked so bad at cs after a year break... was bc I bought an early lcd. Didnt figure that out for years.
Just a week ago I resurrected my Sun GDM-5410 (basically a Flat Sony Trinitron) and place it at my work-desk. Amazed how good it looks at various resolutions compared with my modern monitor. Don't know why I kept it unused for so many years. This is it btw: http://shrubbery.net/~heas/sun-feh-2_1/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_21_Prem_Flat_CRT.html
Wow! HDFURYX4 for $289???? I think I'll buy like 5 of them!
I miss my old 22" Viewsonic CRT I had. Could do up to 2048x1536 and 1600x1200 at 85 Hz. Think 1024x768 was like 140 or 160 Hz. Used to sit back and rock the UT games on it. It started to fail in 2007. I loved the trinitrons. Still waiting for a good 4k HDR with 120 or 144 Hz that doesn't cost a kidney. Soon...
That pizza made me hungry!
Its funny that for some reason, everyone says to not use ebay and stuff like that, yet ive gotten a 8 inch PVM and a 17 inch Viewsonic (basically new in box), and the ViewSonic was 20 bucks. 50 with shipping, but i bit my nails, ordered, and couldn't have been happier. It isn't happy with high resolution and refresh rate, with its veey low clock speed, but i normally use it at 1024*768 at 75hz, which is a perfect resolution for a small monitor like that.
08:06 dragon ball gt lol
Video signals for VGA CRT monitors never add input lag. Only scalers from composite/s-video/scart-rgb to VGA do add lag.
Looking for a monitor for an old Atari ST with the 15khz horiz scan rate....a few LCDs can do it, but a lot more CRTs can, but good luck finding thrift stores/etc that carry CRTs!
Unless a desk is made of metal, a CRTs warp them to whatever degree, plus they waste power by requiring many times as much to function. They're just a bad idea in my opinion.
Mr. Moneybags over here with his framemeister and gamecube component cables
Yeh I love my CRT monitors. Took me a long time to move from them. Only forced due to 16:4 ratio. My big CRT is still here I have hopes to find a technician who can repair it. I also have my CRT 40" TV working. Dont power it up much cause I think its an electricity guzzler.
I regret giving away my Trinitron monitor.
GamingGuy800 You are clearly just jumping on the retrocumputing bandwagon. I owned an Eizo Flexcart 17’ until 2002 (160 Hz refresh if I recall) hence don’t even try undermining my knowledge since you were probably in the toddler at the time. Today I own an iMac 5k 27’ (possibly the best screen money can buy right now) so as you say, its 60 Hz should give me headache because it’s low, but I have never experienced one even after a whole day if work. I understand you may be a curious teenager about old junk which is a good attitude, but don’t spread misinformation saying CRTs are better than today’s screens because it’s blasphemy. They were okay back in the days and fitted for the technology of time, that’s all. R.I.P. CRTs you won’t be missed.
You clearly have been only using low refresh rate CRTs then if you seriously think that CRTs are eye damaging and create headaches!
+GamingGuy800 I think it's safe to say that if two monitors have different dark color rendering, then one is more correct then the other. So uneducated, probably. Trash, no. That's quite a cynical distortion of what I said.
The thing is is that you aren't supposed to see anything in dimly lit conditions even in real life so this comment of yours is completely filled with completely uneducated trash!
+GamingGuy800 not really. 1. We saved ton of electricity in return we poluted much less. 2. We gained 3 times bigger screens. (If you wanted 55 inch crt it would take a local power house to feed it) 3. We gained MUCH sharper and more precise pixels. 4. Our rooms got much more sleek. 5. OUR EYES are endlessly thankful for switching to LCD. The only trade off? The MPRT and it's absolutely worth it. And thanks to LCD we developed OLED and thanks to OLED in next 5 years we will have 55 inch microled displays that will cost as much as oled. So to answer your claim. No. It was not shitty future like... AT ALL.
LCD was, and still is, a completely shit future though!
Fuck off LCD die hard!
I still got an iiYama Vision Master Pro 510. Still works great! And if it dies, I am an electronics engineer myself, so no probs there.
You forgot to mention crt monitors have a higher energy usage. Although an average 19" crt uses about 80 watts (which is way less than most full-sized TVs), I can't imagine having 5 crts + other screens in your home is good for an energy bill.
Latency don't come from to be digital and need processing, the latency from LCD are from rotating the crystals to make color. If you use an OLED you don't have any latency, it's the same as the CRT or even better because you don't need to shoot an canon into the pixel, just change the intensity of each LED pixel what can be done in parallel. The worst thing of CRT is the image isn't stable the pixels are always blinking.
I have my G3 iMac for all that retro lust
You missed the best part. Viewing angles! They're perfect, with no colour or constrast banding and shifting. Also no blur. I've tried 144hz monitors and they're NO WHERE NEAR as smooth as a 100hz crt. The only monitor I've seen that I would consider is one with 'backlight strobing' to simulate the technical reason crts look so smooth. It was an Acer at 120hz and apart from much worse blacks/viewing angles, seemed very nice.
Friends made fun of me for years because I still used one. I said I'd swap to LCD when they catch up to CRT in performance. They just assumed I was stuck in the past or too poor. (Excuse me, I paid over $1000 for that monitor!) Your video made me feel a little vindicated. I just recently got rid of my last CRT. I didn't even know there was this counterculture around them. Value Village, a thrift store chain in N.A., offers free electronics recycling. I just took it to them. Guess I shoulda thrown it on OfferUp or something to see if a collector wanted it first.
Can you watch TV on them? Just wondering.
Average person would just throw it away, Not going to get fucking arrested for throwing away a TV.
I actually asked my school's principal if I could have 5 of the supposedly junked CRTs, 2 fully functional IBM keyboards, and 2 IBM PC cases. (which I did get)
my stepfather used to repair these monitors. no one hires people to do that anymore either.
thats why i was so good at cs 1.6 back in the day . I had a samsung crt monitor . LCD is pure shit .
And the people that stockpiled old crt are now making bank from selling them to people wanting the old tech.
To this day I still use a CRT on my main computer. Been through TWO holy grail Sony 24" monitors since about 2005, but each died a very similar death and each only lasted me about 5 years. I'm now on a 21" Philips 202P flat screen model. Vertically it is virtually identical in height to the Sony, it is just not as wide. I run mine at 1152x864 @ 100 hz. Picture on this is at least as good as either of the Sony's I had and in the 4 years I've had it I haven't noticed any degradation whatsoever of the image quality. Also like the Sony, this has dual inputs including a RGBHV BNC connector which I have connected to a Micomsoft XRGB-3 (which has native VGA output via line-doubling mode) for my Sega Genesis (over JP-21) and my RGB-modded NES (also over JP-21). Picture quality is amazing on this setup for both of my game consoles.
anybody know what game hes playing at 9:20?
@ 60 hz the crt from our old win2k station (temporarily retired had some weird mesmerizing patterns on white background so since at the time (little over a year ago) it was used mostly 4 school and file managing I turned it down to 11??x8?? At 75 hz much better
So nice I just got a 970 with dvi-i
The only problems I have with modern flat-panel displays is that the backlighting seems to highlight the floaters in my eyes in a way CRTs never did, and colour constancy depending on viewing angle. Neither of these are dealbreakers for me, however—I _love_ being able to pick up _both_ of my displays, one in each hand, at the same time, vs. damn near needing a forklift to move my old CRTs. XD Also it's pretty funny to me that you have to remind folks that CRT computer monitors are not the same as CRT TVs, since so many flat-panel TVs make perfectly good computer monitors. =3 Omai, I had that exact ViewSonic monitor! XD
Arcade collectors can recap a monitor if you need it done... Not really hard to do
8:02 is that iW4x in your taskbar? :D
yupyup
Wow this was way more interesting than I expected. Thanks, great job!
how come you dont run pxe server(allowing any system to boot any img you have(winworldpc.com has many of and dos abandon games has several titles for...))
121hz not kilohertz is very common as ntsc limit(15hz to 123hz) Be neat to cover the full powers of ntsc-j standard. It will open eyes
Thank you for crt difference
CRTs monitors was too big on a desktop. Glad to use a slim 1440p LCD monitor now.
I'm not missing 1024x768@43i ;)
That Gateway monitor probably just needs a good cleaning to save it. All that dust is probably killing it.
I need 3 monitors to work, 3 crts is just too big and unweilidng to do it on anything other than a desk the size of a 3rd world country. Also, I prefer widescreen, with no black bars. While I'm sure there are a tons of pros and cons, I feel like this is too far into the look how retro I am, rather than any real treasure to use for anyone other than retro lovers.
CRT monitors destroyed my eyesight. By the time LCD's came around it was a blessing because I literally could not look at my CRT screen without getting eye-fatigue. This was not the case with LCD's. Cool video though!
YES IT WILL
so this is what peek hipster looks like. 4:3 aspect is ugly and feels cramped the things are heavy, noisy and hurt my eyes. im happy those blasted things are gone
Hahah, I remember when I realized that 1200x1600 was nearly as many pixles as 1920x1080 in a time when 720p tvs were considered HD. I was like, "WTF? I've been playing games at higher that 720p for like...a decade now" although that not totally true as it still took some serious GPU grunt to render that. But I remember playing Fable at 1200x1600 with on an old radeon (cant remember the modle) granted this was a time where I didnt ecen consider FPS and probably played it at 30fps...but all those pixles were amazing g at the time....I mean, it hadn't been that long before that I was blown away by star fox on snes
I bought a Philips 201P monitor back in '99 - native scaleable resolution (up to 2048x1536@60) and imo the best colour reproduction for the time. Unfortunately it was a beast and a pain at LAN parties :)
tbh i still have these CRT monitors, old windows 98 pc, never been modified, never been open since the year 2000. still operatable. idk what to do with it
i stopped watching the video after seeing 2 ads in the first 3 min... bye
The modmic ad is the only ad from me. BYE!
I never regretted moving from a CRT monitor to LED screen. However moving from a 50" Panasonic plasma TV to a 55" Sony LED TV was a disappointment. Hopefully the new generation of TVs based on quantum dots will be an improvement.
I still have a big IBM crt monitor stashed away, for retrogaming stuff. Most LCD monitors i tried nope out when i try to feed them a 320x240 CGA or EGA signal.
I need to dig it out again. I remember that in the early days of LCD, CRT color was far superior (both subjective and measurable) but these days it could easily be completely the other way.
agreed , watching this from my Samsung 997MB :)
Enjoy your eye cancer I guess. Yes, they're superior for many things, but not for your health. I made the switch when LCDs became good enough for gaming and I don't regret it one bit.
Except all made after the 70s are made to prevent that. There's no health concerns.
HP A7217A (It's a Re-branded Sony FW900). Perhaps in your quest to find one you may consider finding a re-bradged Sony.
I find modern monitors to be a motion blur mess compared to the CRT I had back in 2000. To this day I can say the CRT was a better gaming experience. Even my current 165Hz monitors can't give a less blurry picture during fast paced gaming than my 85hz monitor 19 years ago.
my TV is a 1985 portable RCA set, black and white of course. my friend has a similar portable with a dead CRT but that's easy enough to replace as long as you discharge the anode HT supply.
uff we had the Sony Monitor, I gamed on it for years, at a time my dad had allready flatscreens in use, the sony was soooo heavy and big
Ah, the good old times... :( If you like using a CRT monitor, at least use one with a flat screen. ;) crApple users will never understand this video! :))
Uuuuuuh wut
what about the bone-chilling sharp squeak that's produced by them that makes me recoil the second someone turns one on giving me a headache?
That's 15khz whine from TVs, not from 31khz monitors.
I got headaches back then from anything lower than 75hz, but even 75 wouldn't be perfect, so I usually went 85 hz. It was pretty annoying to the point that a fresh install of windows would be at 60 hz and it would be terrible to look at. Then there was the "60hz bug" in Windows XP (with Nvidia cards?) that prompted some games to just run at 60hz anyway, no matter what you set up. It was terrible for me.
Seriously gotta be careful opening old TV's and monitors. The capacitors in there can hold a charge for decades, even being unplugged the whole time, and seriously put you on your ass, if not straight up kill you. Voltage thrills - current kills, and it takes very little current to stop your heart.
"Peek display experience" Sorry, this thing could have enough pixels to let me zoom into my arm and read my DNA and a refresh rate that makes light look standstill, the high pitches ringing kills it
People love to hate on things. Even if i particularly wouldn't use something, why would i hate on the guy or the video for something that OBVIOUSLY he likes?
Nice setup man, I still have my Samsung Syncmaster 793s CRT alongside a 98/xp compatible Maxdata tower, and an old Samsung TV from like 2002.. Also VHS, and alongside I do have three laptops but nothing beats the OG feeling of the retro days.
CRTs are pretty awesome, but having desk space is even more awesome...
19:12 It's like ThinkPads...
I bet those that are wearing glasses now because of the CRT monitors are missing them the most.
CRT burned my eyes.
The GDM-FW900 was/is a beast. I retired mine after 10+ years due to the brightness going down and the focus starting to pulse from time to time. But I can't bring myself to abandon it. :)
The headphone exist not on the 90s
Liked for that Hayley wallpaper :)
Some Best Buys will take old CRTs, but they have a limit to how many a day they can take I believe.
GOG is awesome. I couldn't get Steams version of Fallout 3 to work at all, wen't through pages of fixes, nothing. I bought the GOG version and it worked with no problems whatsoever. No crashes, nothing, perfect playthrough. Bless the minds of GOG.
I have 3 CRT TVs. I wan't to get rid of two but I would hate to toss them out. Everyone I ask if they want one looks at me like I am stupid, most proudly exclaim that they have flatscreen tvs...I really hate to just toss them, but I need the room.
Ads every 2 min? Cmon.
GOG wasn't an ad... just a mention of something useful to consider for this topic... I make a couple handfuls of said recommendations for things throughout the video, ModMic being the only one I'm paid for. By that argument - I'm also running ads for NoClip's YouTube videos on GOG, too?!
+EposVox No, you did. 1:01 - ModMic Wireless 3:46 - GOG
YouTube has auto-placed ads on everything and I'm scrambling to remove them lol
Still better picture on my old Samtron 96p compared to most LCD's I've used. Only reason I use an LCD atm is that alot of the games I play have a few issues being played at 4:3 aspect ratio (+ I hasd some issues with my converter since my new graphic card did not have analog DVI). Lazy UI programmers or even released without any older resolutions available. Hell even my friend who just bought a 1440p ASUS ROG screen was impressed with the picture quality on my CRT. Never got any eyestrain on it either, actually have more issues with LCD's. Also never seen screen tear on CRT when FPS and refresh rate are way out of sync. Dread the day my Plasma TV dies.
The only CRT monitor I have is my Commodore 1702 that I keep for my Amiga 500 which is purely for personal nostalgia and keeping those childhood experiences authentic. But for my old consoles, I have the TV that used to be in my late grandmother's living room decades ago, it's a huge RCA ColorTrak from 1984 that somehow manages to still work as if only half the time has past since it was made. Also the remote takes a 9 volt battery which never ceases to be funny these days.
8:46 I think the screen has to be turned on for that alien latency tester to work
Shame all my CRT monitors were cheap consumer-grade as they didn't last me for long.
I still remember my last CRT, a 20" Eizo Flexscan with 5 BNC component input. The video was good, but eventually I switched to a DVI-D LCD, because the sharpness was far, far superior. I can see how CRTs can still be interesting for certain applications, but I don't miss them at all. No nostalgia whatsoever. 20" 4:3 with 5cm bezel, a depth of roughly 50cm and the power consumption of 3 LCDs. Thank you, but no thank you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA dude your comment...... one word: wikipedia. (try reading about what you wrote there and check if its accurate AT ALL)
You missed the best part. Viewing angles! They're perfect, with no colour or contrast banding and shifting. Also no blur. I've tried 144hz monitors and they're NO WHERE NEAR as smooth as a 100hz crt. The only monitor I've seen that I would consider is one with 'backlight strobing' to simulate the technical reason crts look so smooth. It was an Acer at 120hz and apart from much worse blacks/viewing angles, seemed very nice.
rip
fuck crts. flat screen all day every day.
I have crt triple monitor setup and it is awesome
I had that exact ViewSonic CRT back in the 90s at my parents. Used it for years and years until Christmas 2005, I got a Dell D2405FPW which I used until a few months ago, and the old Dell is STILL working JUST fine.
he plays warframe?!
Not in Serbia :D
amazing video, pal...but....dragon ball gt? really?...yuk :)
10:00 what game was that?
Counter Strike
Jeez your channel actually finally took of after all that comment spam on more popular YouTube videos years ago
I still comment on videos I watch. It was never spam, nor was it somehow meant to grow my channel.
Sounds like a niche collectors Market. Good for those who already have one or for those willing to put in the work to find the right one.
The issue is more with DVI/HDMI vs. analog VGA. I have a low-end LCD monitor with a VGA input that I'd stake against any CRT for black depth, white balance/CRI, and scaling. This channel on my permanent do-not-subscribe list because of embedded marketing. Lost count of "I was paid to recommend this product!" spots only halfway through the video.
I don't know about where you live, but here electricity is expensive, and CRT's are not efficient. Not just due to the amount of energy they use, but the amount of waste heat that needs to be dealt with as well. A small room with an old PC and large CRT will start to heat up. I get the retro nostalgia kick, but after 20 years of using CRT monitors (from CGA onward) I could not wait to dump them for an LCD. No, not all LCDs are great, and even two of the same model rarely display the same colour balance, but colour accuracy, clean whites, and sharpness were clearly better than CRTs in even early LCDs. As you mentioned, a good CRT with high resolution and refresh rates also cost a small fortune. Consumer level CRTs were usually pretty awful, with lines that are not straight, flickering, fuzzy at the edges and so on. I will never go back.
We are talking money here and you don't mention that even once. I had a lot of CRTs, all of them were cheap and all of them were crap. I don't miss this technology at all. When I got my first LCD screen back in 2007, I was more than happy to abandon that crappy CRT I owned, even if it supported 85 Hz at SXGA+ resolution. I swapped it with an Apple Cinema Display with IPS panel and 1680x1050 resolution and the picture was WAY better. And yes, I knew how to calibrate and set up a CRT monitor.
"We are talking money here and you don't mention that even once." " all of them were cheap and all of them were crap." Video specifically mentions finding them for dirt cheap or free, and brings up multiple examples of specifically expensive at the time CRTs that cost $1000+ being highly sought after now. So yeah, if you compare "cheap" "crap" CRTs to a very expensive LCD, clearly there's a massive difference.
i just can't bare with the high pitch noise from crt
That's a 15kHz TV issue, not something really applicable to 31kHz monitors
Anyone else watch this and think about watching some dragon ball gt?
The thing about CRTs at higher resolutions being more blurry is totally true. My last CRT monitor I had before switching to LCD (this was around 2005) could go up to 1600x1200 resolution, but the image would become quite blurry. It was also quite darker and refresh rate went down to 60hz from the maximum 85hz of 1024x768. At 60hz I would develop headaches and eye strain very quickly, not so with 85hz. The lack of any input lag and response times of 0ms were absolutely amazing, although I would not agree with color reproduction or contrast ratio being that great compared to modern LCDs. Whites tended to look a bit yellowish and blacks were still a bit brownish-grayish due to the phosphor layer not being completely black. Modern IPS displays have superior color reproduction. There was also the usual glare and the usual distortions at the edges, and of course burn-in was a huge problem. We now have LCDs at 1ms response times and below 5ms input lag, and with great color reproduction and contrast ratios to boot, but it took a long time to get there.
pretty stupid to still buy crt monitors today. *get an ips 144hz display with good colors and also good pc to run shaders and accurate emulators *use retroarch *enable insert black frame to eliminate ghosting(obv requires 120hz monitor at least) *use actual each console's respective controllers and connect them using usb adapters *use runahead to eliminate input lag. it even beats original hardware (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qys9sdzJKI) *use accurate crt shader like CRT Royale Kurozumi. Almost no difference with an actual pvm monitor. *of course, use accurate emulators like BSNES, Mednafen(PSX)100% hardware emulation of consoles No excuses to still use piece of shit old hardware.
Thanks for the informative video. It was well done and you have a great voice for this. Honestly, after listening to many content creators every day when I hear a voice that stands out in a good way I appreciate it.
I'm 2 seconds into this vid and thank you, I've been missing my old 20" sony trinitron true flat monitor for about ten years now, the true 300fps with no tearing is totally unmatched by anything lcd/led etc produced now for 10x the money. Like really some out there with freesync or w/e and not getting anywhere near 300 fps for how much? Over a grand, and yet somehow they expect people with more than two brain cells to actually believe that's a good deal or that the chinerese-mass-produced P.O.S. is worth more than 20 usd...
ULMB high refresh rate monitors with very low response times are not pretty much superior. Looking forward to microLED monitors in the future for some nice deep blacks.
IPS/VA/TN panels are trash, i think oled is the first technology that is better than CRT in every aspect.
Yawn. I'm not going to dump my 4K 144hz HDR G-sync monitor for a relic that can do a quarter of the resolution and half the refresh rate.
No one said you should. No one would ever say you should.
Except anything can give someone headaches? I get headaches reading small black text on bright pure white paper. That doesn't mean it's a health concern, just not something my eyes play nice with. Same can be said about plenty of scenarios. CRTs after the 70s are built with lead (part of why they're dangerous to throw away) linings to prevent radiation and etc. There's some concern with where your eyes are focusing on the screen - but that's going to be per person and not just a generalized health concern.
Many people claimed that after they made the switch, the headaches stopped. I doubt it's just a coincidence. Trust me, if there were zero health concerns, many more folks would still be using one for very fast paced games. I still have one in my garage that I keep because it works perfectly and I don't throw away working hardware, but if I started using it again I'd be getting the same headaches. I sit more than my arm's length away from the screen, too, so I know it's not because of a wrong usage. And always in a brightly lit room.+EposVox
+Luis Daniel dude, youre so away from reality.... look these terms up: -LCD (or OLED) driver with controller -Deflection circuit raster speed -flicker fusion threshold
You know what latency is, in generic words, means the time between transmitting and receiving. So let's call the transmitter the output of graphic card, and the receiver is the eye. For the LCD where is the main latency time?
16x9 and wider is completely shit for work as you don't have enough vertical height in both 16x9 and wider aspect ratios stupid so no 4:3 isn't ugly and completely killing 4:3 was a completely retarded idea in the computing field stupid!
Hey buddy! Subbed!
Definitely treasure! CRTs are awesome!
I used a 22”CRT up until 2008. Here is my list of why CRTs are not as great as you might think: 1. They go out of focus Even the best ones go out of focus and need repairing. I had CRTs since the early 90s and every single one ended up with issues. Even back then it was hard finding somewhere cheap and good to repair them (expensive or bad repairs were easy to find). Taking a 21” + CRT to a repair shop is a pain in the ass. After repairing my 22” twice I decided not to do it a third time 2. At higher resolutions the refresh would drop Yes, on the high end monitors you can run at super high res like a modern monitor, but you will get a headache and also the monitor is likely to make a hum or buzz when it is kicked up to its max settings 3. Reflections Even the flat screen CRT will pick up reflections more than a modern panel. Because CRTs are always slightly curved it's hard to position it so no reflections are picked up 4. Power draw CRTs will draw much more power than an equivalent modern panel. Save the planet? 5. They are super deep When a 21” up CRT is placed on a standard 80cm deep desk, you will just have enough room to put a keyboard in front of it. And that is with the back of the monitor hanging off the back slightly. If on your current desk, you have a keyboard, mouse, mousemat, gaming controller, mic, place for your drink etc. Bear in mind you wont have room for any of that if you replace your current panel with a CRT, all that nice space currently directly in front of the screen will be taken up
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Im still using a crt 16" 1280x1024 monitor here, display settings often cant be turned of so i have to keep the seeting button pressed with a stick ancored in my desk.... and it uses 75w... i need to get rid of it because summer here is quite hot
Replacing the VGA cable is easy enough.
I found a security crt, wonder if it has vga?
Those are usually TVs, and thus BNC composite
They should do individual crt pixel displays. Tech is around for it
Had a viewsonic ahallow depth 22 inch crt that did kust over 300mhz of bandwidth. Was awesome. Gave to a friend, we are gonna make it into in arcade cab. CRTs until recently were better than almost all lcds in color, light, resolution and hz.
My viewsonic did 1920x1200 @ 75hz
Or similar..looks smaller
Lol I see that same viewsonic there..
CRTs made me sick, so I ran screaming from them as soon as I was able to in 2002. The story of LCD resolution stagnation is a sad one and I think Microsoft is partially to blame. On CRTs, you'd choose a resolution you liked and the highest refresh rate it supports, and things generally worked fine, but on LCDs, you had to use the native resolution or they got blurry. LCD manufacturers couldn't simply make higher resolution screens because people would complain things were either too small or too blurry. (Windows always rendered its interface at the same pixel dimensions with only slight adjustments for "accessibility".) So for most of the 2000s, LCDs got bigger as their resolution went up so the size stayed the same. The IBM T221 was a rare exception, and basically, along with its variants, the only high DPI LCD in existence for a long time. They became highly sought after especially when they went out of production. Even to this day, only the 27" iMac has a higher vertical resolution. All this changed in 2012 when Apple made the leap to precisely twice the pixel density in their laptops. The OSX drew everything at the same apparent size and when it couldn't, it employed integer scaling so things were never blurry. PC OEMs shyly followed suit a year or so later, and Microsoft scrambled to finish up Windows's half-baked DPI scaling support. Now that Windows handles scaling acceptably, higher pixel density LCDs have started popping up.
skip to 3:00 for the real shit
8:26 BEST GAME EVER!
Great video makes a change learning things on YouTube
Crt monitors were the best towards the end of their life. Around 2005-2006 they really peaked. Wide, flatcreen, 75hz refresh rate @ 1600 x 900, high color. Use to have a crt like that I gamed on all the time. When I switched to lcd in 2008 it wasn't the same with pixelation and less vibrant colors. Of course nowadays that's changed. Lcd's still have nostalgia with me. I'd like to have my old flatscreen one back. Another advantage of those types was very smooth video, you didn't see screen tearing as often or at all.
Hi eposvox! I recently saw this video and subscribed. I just happened upon a gateway vx1120 just like the one in your video and was able to get into the service menu and fix the image. It looked like shit when I got it, green discoloration all over dark areas and a dim and unimpressive image. I was able to make it look outstanding again! If you see this just reply and I can give you a full length explanation so you can also fix your monitor.
+EposVox I just did a full writeup on what I did with detailed instructions and sent it to you along with a few pictures of what my monitor now looks like. I tried to be as concise as possible but at least I know for sure I explained everything. Let me know how your monitor looks afterward!
Shoot me an email adam@eposvox.com
My last CRT was a 24" Dell Trinitron that i ran at 720 at 60hz for years before a regulator in the PS died, apparently a common fault for the model. Replacing it with a lightweight LCD was just too much of a temptation compared to fixing the 70lb beast. Yes, it's still lying around somewhere.
I hang on to an old crt tv that’s nice. It’s a flat screen screen with component inputs. But that is designated for retro game consoles. It’s been a very long time since I’ve seen a crt monitor in person.
For 4:3 displays if it is not based on a Sony Trinitron tube then it doesn't matter if you are using aCRT or not as that was the only CRT tube worth bothering with. On top of that, the donestic television CRT tube must not be from after the early nineties, but will be fine with things like a professional video monitor (PVM) or PC 31khz type monitor tube (domestic TV tube quality went down the toilet circa 1994-95ish)
You forgot two important things first the CRT emitting Radiation more Than LCD which make the eyes get tired much faster .... 2nd These monitors consume much power than other types so .. no one should buy them
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CRTs literally made me cry, anything over 4 hours of use, my eyes got red to point and tears would roll down and I didn't sleep well at the time. Also those beasts clocked in a chunky 15-25 lbs of *hot* plastic with a side order of a high pitch wine that seemingly only you one can hear. When flat panels came about I bummed my parents and got a small 19 inch gangsta of a monitor and for 1st time in a while I slept like log after a full day of space cadet and emulators. RIP CRTs. I'm glad we tossed your body in the river of the forgotten.
I very much miss being able to switch resolutions and Hz properly with a CRT. I totally regret having sold off my last Trinitron CRT.
Thank you for making this video! We made sure to share it in our Facebook Group! We are glad to have people discuss these topics and help represent the things our community stands for. It is very true that "Retro Gaming" is often just seen as Retro Consoles and that us Retro PC Gamers are often not included, ignored, are a smaller community, and get very little publicity or attention.
I'm sure I had a Sony flat screen given to me, but when you end up moving a lot those flat panels become a positive boon.
wow I watch ur video again because YT doesnt show my viewing history BUT I want a CRT for consoles or pc - not sure but my old GPU has DVI analogue
I remember the old CRT monitors. I used to have a big ass one. It was heavy as well. Yeah they looked good at the time. But you will have to pry my $250 ViewSonic IPS monitor out of my cold dead hands. Seriously though TN panels suck.
Great vid, it's nice to see CRT monitors still appreciated. I still own a Mitsubishi Diamond View 1770G CRT (manufactured November 2001) which I use for my Dreamcast. I even found a website listing its specs (link below). Picture is still good after many years and hopefully for many years more. http://www.mitsubishielectric.com.au/2362.htm
+ThatOneUglyKid this took me 5 seconds on google: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=549177 youre such a funny guy
+Lutyano Alves CRT monitors aren't good for anything nowadays except for nostalgia, LCD panels have come a long way like the LCD's apple use in there mac pros or lg's hdr 10 Dolby vision oled panels. CRT monitors can only be as good as we remember them. CRT monitor can either do high refresh rates or high resolution, not both, but VA lcd panels can and do both, like my 144hz 1080p monitor.
+ThatOneUglyKid Depends what you want to do wih them. Theres no way you would use a crt as a screen for a big home theather. A large thin oled would be miles better. but as a work monitor for certain productivity tasks(like photoshop or video editing), gaming(especially older games), and watching a movie on a smaller, closer screen, it can be really good. The whole reason oled was so useful in the first place, even with excessive burn in and ghosting issues, is that it was able to achieve CRT-like black levels and color reproduction. Thats what people mean by "catching up" with crts. Also refresh rates on those are increasing nowadays, but 60fps (especially for tvs) is STILL the norm. Even things like gsync or freesync have for decades been possible on crts by changing the vblank interval.
crt was never that great in performance, how about you drop another $1000 on an oled tv to give you an idea of what you were missing
Please stop saying LCD "or" LED screen - LED is just backlight type in LCD monitors and TVs...
Is that a Gateway VX1120? I had one of those back in 2000! I used it daily until around 2009 when it started going out. What is the problem with yours? Mine would still power up and work for awhile but eventually it would start scrolling the screen vertically. I still have it though, even though it was going out I couldn't throw away such an expensive monitor! Gaming on it was amazing. I can remember the resolution but I'm pretty sure it was higher than 1080p.
I have a widescreen CRT TV, european one, with SCART RGB running from all consoles I hooked to it, Mega Drive (Genesis), Xbox, Gamecube, Wii and PS2 (though I prefer my Svideo over RGB because third party is about all you find for PS2 and sucks by bleeding noise to sound on whiter screen signals) I used to use also a PC CRT quite long, as well as an old Square LCD because money is money and we saved everywhere. It was rather cheap way to have a 2nd monitor as it was something "the old PC" used but give it a purpose again and go. I am actually interested what is the energy usage differences now, surely CRT uses more power than modern flat panels ... right? Or is the difference smaller than I assume.
You look like linus from linustechtips but with a goatee
I'm well aware of the advantages CRT displays can provide. I'm more than willing to stick with my good old 1080p flat panel though because 1: I've been thoroughly spoiled by widescreen, and 2: I'm not carrying something that heavy up and down stairs when I inevitably have to move...
I had a 21" Trinitron which had 1600x1200 @ 85Hz before I moved to TFT. I just didn't have space for it, so I had to throw it away, damn.
To be it seems weird when some kid starts talking about tech older than him and how great it was to use. Like weren't you just a baby?????
Every time I find a CRT monitor on eBay in 2018-19. They are always so expensive. Why is that so?
eBay for niche collectors stuff is always price gouged. Plus shipping them is crazy expensive
OMG I totally remember that degauss button on our old home PC monitor. I never knew what it did except make the screen go all funny and fuzzy for a few seconds lol.
at my house I've got a CRT with 2048x1536 with a flat display surface unfortunately the colour seems a bit off, any idea how I could fix that? it is fairly old of course, and really heavy, but I really don't wanna throw it out, especially as thgere is nearly no chance to get an other one in that condition besides a mild burn in from the graphics software that was used on it before my brother got it who eventually handed it down to me it's in great shape, and the slightly off colour can I use one of these colour calibrating tools for this?
can you even look at crt monitors for more than 2 hours? my eyes would get destroyed
I do all the time, and spent more than half my life doing so before LCDs took over. As did most people :P
Holy shit I used the same theme on windows xp. :O
If you want to emulate old arcade games (including vector games) and have them look good, then a high-quality CRT is the way to go. So don't throw out your old Viewsonic, Sony Mag, or SGI monitors.
Not that many people will care but CRT displays sure love to eat up electricity compared to new monitors.
What game is being played at 14:47?
can you show us what it looks like when skipping a line doubler?
I wish a company would come along and start making new CRT monitors and TV’s for retro computer and console enthusiasts. Good condition CRT TV’s and monitors are a fairly hard thing to come across these days. I’ve been looking for a good 15” CRT for 6 months, but I’ve yet to find anything that works.
CRTs are the Mech Mods of the digital realm
now im curious, can screen tearing even occur on a CRT?
Why? Because we can. Thats why.
13:00 Archive.org I would assume.
Pokemon Colosseum in RGB
normal is a simpel fix, then they go dark.. look up "the 8 bit Guy"
LCD monitors where in the 90’s
what's the game at 0:19 - 0:25 ? looks cool
I had a 24" CRT in college. Its color was beginning to fade, but I still used it as a secondary monitor to my HP laptop. But the electric bill certainly praised my use of LCD's. Over time, computer monitors use less and less power, and PCs use more and more power.
nice video. what a pac man version is to see at 8:16 ?
sega saturn and dreamcast FTW
I have old sony and lg crt tv . And i am still astounded to see how clear the video is . I guess because of low input lag, but my lcd tv give me headache to watch to.
Ah, good ol Viewsonic PS775. I miss and do not miss mine; but I'll stick with my refurb samsung 28" 4k. Kind surprising how long those Commodore 1702s will last -- mine was built in november 1985 and is still working strong with no burnin. I'd never give mine up.
It's a shame SED TVs & Monitors never come out I think EposVox would of liked them. Back when Canon & Toshiba had an eye towards manufacturing surface-conduction electron emitter displays I was hyped up by it.
This is taking retro too far. Good riddance to CRTs.
I switched to LCD before LCD was pretty good, I had a 1024x768 15 inch Dell LCD in the late 1990s as my main display. I am extremely sensitive to the flicker and extremely sensitive to the high pitched wailing noise CRTs make and got off them as soon as it was affordable to do so. I can hear a CRT display powered on multiple rooms away, it feels like someone's driving an ice pick through my head when I hear it.
800x600 at 120hz looks better than my 1080p 60hz OLED. I just couldn't play on the crt cause of the 4:3 ratio. That ratio was a deal breaker for me
Yes, some people still like to drive a horse and buggy, and use outdoor toilets (even in the snowy winter months).
What's the game at 14:55?
the boring fuck starts starts the video at 2:30
Oh hell yeah, i want a crt screen phone . _.
LCD panels are superior in almost everything except the lag. When I do use my old 14" CRT, it feels as if it predicted what I'm going to do.
Noooooo. A few years ago I threw away (literally threw away) my beloved Sony FW900 because it sat unused for years. That was only a few years after I also threw away my Amiga 1200. :(
What's the modern solution to the CRT?
I have an older Sharp Aquos 45" LCD 1080p TV that I feel is a good compromise between CRT and LCD. The problem with modern LCDs for me is the way the panels are lit. Most newer sets use LED lighting on the sides which look crappy during the day and give you uneven brightness. The Aquos is a very heavy LCD TV due to the fact that it's lit using bright old-school bulbs, giving you that vibrant CRT brightness, but with an LCD panel. Color saturation won't match the CRT, but it's good enough for me.
Wow this is truly eye-opening. I had no idea that CRT monitors were that good. I have been saying for a long time that technology hadn’t really evolved since the early 2000’s
I had to retire two of my 21” a decade ago due to no repair could be done after it failed as no more spare parts available.
Dude looks like Linus in thumbnail
You can smoothly scroll a text document on a CRT and the text is crystal clear while you do so. Which means you can read while you scroll. This is not possible on a LCD, even my 240hz LCD isn't quite as clear as my old 85hz CRT monitor. At 60hz it's out of the question, text becomes a blurry mess on a LCD. Which means modern panels are not as good for internet browsing if you are using smooth scrolling in your browser.
I have been using computers since the monitors came in various color modes like green and black or brown and black. The last CRT that I had was a 21 inch flatscreen (I think it was a Phillips monitor) which was starting to lose it's focus which lead to me buying a 24" Benq LCD monitor to replace it. I actually still have the Benq monitor in it's box upstairs. I won't go back to a CRT monitor, my eyesight loves my current 34" ultrawide.
You forgot you mention that the image quality if F**KING TRASH on CRT, other than thet, great video.
Russian CRT TV's are so easy to fix.
Lets just wait for those OLED monitors to become mainstream
I have an 20 Yrs Old Monitor and I am happy with it on my XP Machine. I hope it is a CRT Monitor.
You are a stupid if you think CRTs are better than LCDs.
I miss my HS computer class teacher getting mad at me every time I would change the refresh rate to 80hz because the flicker she and pretty much everyone else claimed was no-existent would hurt my eyes on the minimal settings she demanded we use. According to her expertise no one could see the difference above 30 or w/e.
I have a giant Sony trinitron CRT monitor, with dual VGA connectors in storage. Worked well when I put it away. Weighs about 1,000 pounds. I'll look tomorrow and see what model it is. Thought about using it, but I'm used to a 32" display now. However, the CRT causes me far less eye strain.
If you need to get a CRT fixed, seek the legendary Yugo "Mr. Braun" Tennouji's repair shop!
Now i'm thinking: _"what if CRT comes back in a new form?"_ This thought doesn't come form a nostalgic standpoint, but from a technical one. In some of my trips to Russia I've seen home security/intercom systems that had a display; that display was flat, it was analog, and it was CRT. The cool thing is: the displays that I saw weren't heavy, they weighed about the same as a comparably sized LCD would weigh. I know for sure that it is a real CRT since even the little magnets inside earphones could bend the picture. The only drawback of that display is that it's small and doesn't have RGB colors. (for the people that are interested, that thing was made by "VIZIT" or "ВИЗИТ", nowadays Vizit intercoms only ship with LCDs) This basically means: a CRT can be 1440p, a CRT can have 120 hz, a CRT can be flat and relatively light, if you make one that's all 4 at once then you pretty much have a 2019 proof product.
F for dead monitor
14:15 IT'S GONNA FALL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Holy shit, the 2007 nostalgia at 6:48, you sure brought me back
Oh man, the nostalgia is all over the video
That sponsor transition to GOG was smooth as butter and pretty damn on-topic, that was great lmao
video was pretty boring and took way too long to get to the points imo, but I didnt downvote
Are you serious or have you been in your basement for too long?
Anyone remember Nokia VGA monitors from the late 90's? Those were awesome.
Time go fast . It's like yesterday for me. I had a 17" CRT monitor from packetbell with subwoofer . 2x voodoo 2 12mb sli. Pentium 166mmx overclok to 233mhz. Wat a time was that . And a lot of cash in that time
How do you even find these things I have been trying but I just dont know where to start at all. Craiglist, ebay, Facebook groups. I just dont know where to start.
You shouldn't throw any electronics in the wastebin.
I would get a CRT monitor as well if it wasn't for that high pitched sound that they make when they're on. I really can't stand it. The worst part is that I can hear it from very far away like from 30 meters.
I had the Sony GDM FW-900 some years ago. Also the Mitsubishi DiamondPro 2040u. They are the two best CRT monitors I ever owned and the picture was noticeably sharper running VGA to 5 BNC, rather than VGA to VGA. With a little tweak to the graphics driver, you could set a custom resolution of 2304x1440 at 60 Hz on the Sony, which is the highest resolution I ever got out of a CRT. I used to play Guild Wars in that resolution. I used to play Tron 2.0 at 2048x1536 and 60Hz on the Mitsubishi. The problem with the Sony is that after a couple of years the colors got wonky, and I had to ship it to California for repairs while it was still under warranty (they couldn't do it locally hear in the Northwest). They basically held it hostage for several months and kept saying I hadn't sent the right paperwork or something, and even after I got the service dept. to acknowledge that they had the correct paperwork, I would still get a message from the place that actually had the monitor saying they didn't have it. The left hand didn't seem to know what the right hand was doing. Also, I had to wait on hold for over an hour on the phone at least twice. Trying to get that thing repaired was the worst customer service experience I ever had, and they never got it fully functional again -- I don't think the BNC inputs worked after I got it back, as I recall. I could have just saved myself the massive shipping cost and looked for a replacement. I think that all went down back around 2008. For the past five years I've been using a Dell UP2414Q, which does a really beautiful 4K, but I want a good 5K monitor with a single DisplayPort 1.4 connector like the Iiyama ProLite XB2779QQS, although I'm waiting for someone to come out with a more mainstream model, like a new one from Dell. I'm pretty much done with CRTs because of my bad experience with Sony, even though the monitor was beautiful when it was new and working properly. I still have the Mitsubishi for emergencies, and it still works beautifully, and I'm not going to sell it. ;)
Hmm, I feel one of the main reasons for using a CRT was missing in the list of bullet points at 4:34 in the video: Motion clarity. CRT:s doesnt have response time the way an LCD does. It doesnt take a lot of time for each pixel to change to the colour it is supposed to be at. Sure there's some phosphor trails, but generally a CRT is very quick. This, combined with the inherent way that a CRT is actually black most of the time as it only zaps out a temporary string of light as it sweeps past the screen, makes movement super sharp. Modern LCD:s with ULMB comes close, but they still usually are limited by the response time of the pixels themselves to some degree.
I started playing CS (1.6 then) when I had 12 y (now im 29 and still playing it from time to time). In 1.6 I was DAMN GOOD, then I started playing CS:GO from closed beta (I got invitation), I reached Supreme rank max, then my CRT display broke and I bought cheap IPS monitor (under 200$), it was somewhere 2013, and my skill dropped severely. Now I have much better IPS panel (from Eizo) but only 60 Hz so im now Silver, and that's true story. Don't buy anything less than TN 144 Hz to competitive online games - you will be at most moderate cause others will have advantage over you.
The lead foil is in there to prevent X-Ray to destroy your face by growing cancer over time. Just sayin!
Samsung shrank the tube of CRT monitors in 2006. If crt monitors are improve further, the size they occupy on the desktop can approach a reasonable level. the sale of the LCD monitors had already started In 1996 (you could even see the LCD monitor being used in Heat movie ). we gave LCD monitor manufacturers 23 years and billions of dollars, and they are still producing garbage LCD monitors in 2019, and in 2019, they pull the wool over customer's eyes on by attaching LED lighting to the monitors. The only reason why display manufacturers are switching to LCD monitor production; Producing LCD monitors is extremely inexpensive! screen manufacturers conceal the poor image quality of LCD panels by artificial methods! This is embarrassing: Prices of screens increased with LCD panels!
I work at a rubbish dump and used to throw out at least a couple per shift and these days they are becoming much more uncommon
Had a few. Liked the fast refresh rate.
Sweet Aku Aku mask!
CRT PC Monitors uses more power then ones we have now. I still have some in basement I use for using old computers
Sony Triton 21 inch monitor f520 was the best monitor created, I used it at 2k with 75hz refresh rate and playing Unreal Tournament, those days!
I used crt monitors such a long time, and many of them had a shockingly bad image quality, if you cranked up the resolution. I miss this things not a bit, and even use modern image processing hardware to get old analog signals into new LCD screens. You do you, but as a gamer and coder who was there when it started (c16 with a monochrome screen / a TV) I don't miss a thing, especially with modern screens.
My grandma said it was insane to hold onto my old Dell P990 19" CRT capable of 180hz at 640x480 but who's crazy now grandma? Oh it's me...
Would I ever go back to a CRT monitor? Most likely never unless I run into something that only a CRT monitor can do.
Some CRTs can be used in certain old arcade games as well so that is one use for a dead CRT monitor if the CRT is still good.
CRT monitors are the best for everything including photo treatment. The photos as you see on CRT monitors are exaclty the same on everything when you see it printed.
At one time I had a later Zenith Data Systems VGA CRT monitor that honestly had the best picture bar none out of any CRT monitor I had up to that point. Used it as a second monitor until my Sony flat screen I bought in 2004-2005 failed its digital input some time a few years later. The Sony got replaced by a Sharp 32" HDTV and the Zenith was replaced by the Sony as its VGA input still worked fine. At one point I had an old 640 X 480 VGA monitor that ran on an old IBM compatible. Moved it to a Windows 95 computer where even in 640 X 480 the screen would not be full. Eventually that PC got replaced and the monitor did as well.
I remember getting my first 3Dfx voodoo 2 SLI on my 21" Viewsonic. It was amazing. Jumping from 800 x 600 jerking around 15fps at a push, to strolling through 1024 x 768 at 30fps. However I do like my new 3 flat screens on the GTX 1060. I doubt I'd go back to CRT, but I do have fond memories.
If only that high pitch noise didn't exist in CRT screens. :(
Just picked up a Compaq Presario FX700 I found on Craigslist. Couldn't believe how lucky I got to find a PC CRT that close that quickly, excited to see what it can do.
I remember the fun we had using magnets on the screens and turning them sideways to fk up the colors hehe
CRT's were great! Except they weighed a ton. And they ate power like no tomorrow. And most of that power was spent as heat. And they hurt my eyes, even at high refresh rates. And the noise, oh my god the noise. And the image always looked a little off, probably the massive plate of glass?? idk And you could kiss your desk space goodbye. So, I guess I'm saying, they actually weren't that great, and are seen as an outdated relic because they are. They were great at the time, because they were the only thing available. However, it's [current year], and, except refresh rates, modern displays are better in basically every way.
Getting geometry right was a pain in the ass.
iiYama and Eizo are great monitors.
There is an issue when playing older games designed for CRT monitors. For example Vampire Masquerade: Redemption. On the beginning, we need to explore mines but on new screens, with maximum brightness (in the game and in system) everything is pitch black and we are moving blindly... I hardly finished that area. Other places are also too dark to play comfortably so CRT would come handy... I remember it playing on the CRT in the past and it was fine. I even had CRT stored till a few years ago but threw it to trash... It was too bulky and taking too much space to store it indefinitely. Who could have thought that this could be useful?
Still have my iiyama vision master. think it was $750 back then. Friends thought i was crazy spending that. The Degauss action was very cool looking. Great vid btw!
I loved my 19" flatscreen CRT which was capable to run 1024x768@120Hz (also 1600x1200@60Hz, but that was unplayable because of visible flickering). I switched to MWA in 2009 and there's just no going back. Especially keeping in mind that 4K 120Hz IPS monitors are available.
I have one. Will it work with a dreamcast and lkight gun with vga?
I have a 17" high resolution CRT monitor. Are you saying it's worth money? Because I was about to throw it away.
Things you didn't mention or that I didn't hear you mention : -CRT do hurt your eyes with their emissions. In fact back then many offices had protection screens to stop the amount of emissions going at the user. -they also don't display properly when captured by external tools (camera) -They may also fatigue users much more rapidly, although you may not feel it. -And CRT are somewhat similar to LCD with PWM (or the reverse), if a user is susceptible to that, he could have brain pain & whatnot AFAIK end of line proper LCD without PWM are much less taxing health wise imho.
Surprised Sony don't do a limited run of the F/W900 monitor/s. Think it could be quite lucrative niche for them.
Yea... I just pulled my Gateway ev730 out of the dust and it's noway as glorious as you seem to see them. The image just looked exactly like the one in your video, and it's no way as clear or as smooth as the 200$ 1080p 144hz monitor I'm using. I think it's just your nostalgia talking. Plus it gave me a headache at 75Hz after just 5 mins of using even with anti UV glasses.
What game is that at 14:45?
A documentary in YouTube bedroom vlog format. Should have had a damn TLDR in the 1st minute of it!
I overclocked 144hz to 146hz
LMFAO this dude made a video about CRTs. Been telling people for years #CRTsAintDead. I had 3 Triniton E540s. Down to one. Still have quite a bit of Diamondtrons too. Years ago I used to work for a warehouse that had all of the 30-36" Apple 4:3 displays. From what I remember they sold em off for $50/each because the monitors weighed around 225LB. The wide screen trinitrons we're good too.
It's fine if you like CRT stuff, but modern displays are just better. Cheap LCD displays may have meh colors sometimes, but you can get an amazing display if you spend the same money you would have spent on a new CRT display twenty or thirty years ago.
I'll give you 4 reasons why I chose LCD over CRT anytime: 1- Because LCD does not have a neutron cannon in the back, beaming dangerous UV rays that will deteriorate your eyes. 2- Because LCDs today, can be gotten at much larger screen sizes than CRT monitors 3- Because they are portable and thin, which allows for larger monitors to fit on smaller desks, all while leaving more desk space for real computer stuff, like USB sticks and keyboards and joysticks. 4- Because the electric consumption cost of a 20" CRT, equals about that of a 60" LCD.
I am an engineering technologist, and an avid gamer. I was servicing mono, CGA, VGA, NTSC and high resolution CRT monitors when they were first being manufactured. The only advantage I see in a CRT is the reduced blur. Of course, this is only a thing if you have a monitor with fast phosphor. There were monitors that were specifically made with phosphor that had a high persistence, and those monitors would blur. Trinitron monitors were not very good, flat or not. Pretty much all of them had one or two aperture grille wires (depending on the size of the tube) holding up the aperture grille at the front interior of the tube. This would result in a shadow of one or two horizontal wires going across the display. Newer monitors with flat screens, because of the aperture grille, would also have square pixels very similar to a LCD. High resolution monitors required very active, prone to breakdown high voltage and deflection circuits, as well as high current geometry circuits. These circuits were the most common failure of CRT monitors, and could cause burning, sparks, arcing and even fire depending on whether or not the fuse would blow. Every time you changed resolution, the driver circuits driving the high voltage, deflection and geometry circuits would have to change the voltages. The more supported resolutions, the more circuitry was required to achieve the correct display. Each resolution had it's own horizontal frequency, and because of that fact, each resolution required it's own geometry circuit. Creating a higher refresh rate monitor required yet more high voltage/current magic, placing a fairly high strain on the components in the monitor. With some small exceptions, CRT monitors were also not widescreen, and widescreen is vastly superior to 4 x 3 your get from a CRT. The amount of heat produced by a CRT was quite a bit higher than an LCD, especially the newer LED backlight driven LCD monitors. And, while we're talking about lighting, I don't think we really want to talk about the effects of staring at a CRT for hours on end. Some people complain about LCD monitors, but you don't know the meaning of eye strain until you have played Star Craft or Diablo II for 12 hours straight on a CRT. Of course, having an electron stream aimed right at you face will tend to do that. As for playing game consoles on a CRT monitor, well, you could always use an NTSC (USA/Canada) or a PAL (UK) monitor, and they will use composite video. Any Amiga, or Commodore 64 monitor that's still working should do the job. But, why would you want to use a CRT anyway (unless you're using it on a really old composite video computer or game console)? They're hot, low res (unless you get a tank, like a 20" or 21", and then you're still stuck with 4 x 3 aspect ratio, and they're as heavy as fuck). Go ahead and ask how thick the glass has to be on a Trinitron monitor to allow a flat screen with a vacuum inside the tube. I have spent quite a few days lying in bed wishing I had never lifted that 21" CRT monitor. The only real advantage they have these days is that you can pick them up cheap. Of course, they are old now, and it's likely they will break down after not too much use (capacitors don't last forever). Back then, I had rows and rows of monitors, both in warranty and out of warranty, waiting for service. They broke down so much, one year my boss gave everyone a double paycheque at Christmas, and he was a cheap-ass, but we were repairing so many CRT monitors that he could easily afford it. Cut to years later, when LCD monitors were using CCFL backlights, and the most common failure was the backlights, and the inverter boards that run them. Of course, those circuits also required high voltage. Now, in the 21st century, we have white LEDs which, although not perfect, are much more reliable than either CRT or CCFL-LCD. Now, in our shop, the most common failure in an LCD/LED monitor is the panel itself, not the backlights, and we see very few of those. Monitors are no longer a high failure rate product like they used to be. Yeah, as someone who lived it, both from a gamer perspective and a servicer perspective, I'll take an LCD monitor over a CRT any day of the week.
I had 2 monster $5,000 Sony Crt pc monitors i got for free 5 years ago and trashed them but they did have amazing picture
clean your room...
My apartment stays fairly clean, but I always have a lot of active projects and constantly moving things off of my desk is a complete waste of time, especially when a lot of stuff doesn't have a permanent home.
I lost my eyesight on CRT monitors (had my first one for Amiga 600, it was made by Commodore). My eyesight stopped deteriorating the moment I got LCD. LCDs don't flicker, have sharper image and don't cover you in radiation. They do have worse colors though but hey.
The end of the video really did the opposite of selling me on using a CRT. Def understand why we switched to LCD, though I personally am looking forward to OLED. Not big on super high refresh.
Wow, this is a lot to digest. I'll look at your back catalog and hope that you have some tutorials that do a deep dive on one aspect of each technology at a time. The only game I play is solitaire, but I worked in graphic design and appreciate a well formed Helvetica alphabet ;-) I found you comments about differences in resolution between CRT and L*Ds at https://youtu.be/ofK3MI3xM_4?t=457 very interesting, but would really hope you can drill down on that idea. I'll get out our old 27" NEC monitor and set it up next our oldish (2008) collection of LED monitors to see the difference of what you're talking about, (if you publish some step-by-steps ;-). All of this is, of course, IMHO. But, thumbs up and subscribing, as you clearly know your cookies ;-! Thanks for sharing!
Crts are a must for retro gaming. Found a widescreen crt outside my building with a free sign on it. The permanent back injury was totally worth getting it inside since wii games look amazing on it.
CRT guide for Dummies.
I know russian and English very well. I knew them almost for my whole life.
the 'flat' crts use side projection, they are very long one one side. theyve been round since the 70s
In a lot of areas it haven't, people just push on under the impression that it does. Much of it is a scam, really.
I have that ViewSonic. Using it right now. This video actually made me dig it out lol. Edit: Actauly, mine is the E771
I used to have a huge IBM 22” Flat front CRT with DVI input and I miss it so much
This video actually came around on my feed at just the right time. I'm building a new rig and considering shunting the old one into a modified IBM case from my childhood in order to create a modern sleeper. This is a really great jumping off point when it comes to CRT stuff for someone that never really knew too much about computers growing up other than that I could play Doom, Warcraft, Unreal and Wolfenstein E.T. with friends. The idea of playing DOOM 2k16 on a sleeper with a CRT is just too cool not to do.
2:48 Jesus, there it is, the Gateway 300. For five large in 1997 my folks and I thought we were hot shit. That's the machine I outflew the rest of my squadron in X-Wing vs TIE then later lost my ass in Age of Empires because it was the bane of my existence.
CRTs are dead and they're not coming back. Is this a technology channel or a retro channel?
It's a technology channel with a retro theme/vibe and a special interest in retro tech... and virtually always has been. Plus, something being retro doesn't magically make it not technology lmao
I had an old 22" monster until the mid 2000's, but it ate too much electricity, and no-one was prepared to repair it if it went wrong. Then I ended up with a video card installed without any VGA ports, so I had to update and get rid of the old monitor to recycling. I really miss 4:3 aspect ratio and the monster sized screen. Ah, the good ol' days.
i still like massive ultrawide curved screens better
I just miss the scaling. You could switch to any resolution you liked, provided it was supported, and the CRT was like, "Yeah, not a problem. I can do that." I love my giant LCD display, but I do wish it could scale down from native without looking like someone's smeared Vaseline all over the screen. I still play a bunch of older games on a CRT, because it just looks better.
wow
yea, i agree we had great reolutions and Framerates on CRT.. but your eye health will suffer on CRTs, and thats a big enough reason for me to use LCD/OLED etc
"This era of PC gaming was so much better" lOl no.
HOW are all those beige boxes less boring??? They look waaay more boring and ugly to me.
Missed the line just before it where they weren't all beige boxes in the first place
i remmeber playing neverwinter night 2 and having lag because of the crt screen so i had to buy a new screen and borgt a lcd screen with 60hrz and the problem was fixed and now your saying that crt is better then screens we are using curently atleast youtube exist now so if someone wants to upgrade they can know they can go to the dump and grab 1 of them and use them for mordern gaming (yes its a joke but hey i will try and see if the crt monitor at my parrents is still there just to try it out)
Perfect example. Watch Season 1-3 Walking dead on the CRT. It looks beautiful. Season 4 and up SD DVD quality Majorly improved with no more blocking on LED/LCD's. Crt was great at hiding microblocking. If you dont believe me put in season 1 DVD watch a few minutes then put in season 4.on your new Big Tv's. Big Big difference.
I did. I said I loved CRTs and they were better. That's it.
I'm going to test it soon with RPI2. The RPI2 does also have a 64bit soc so we'll see.
Only in recent Years I understood why PCs struggled with PS2 games.... the ps2 didn't run on 1280 on 1024 at 80 hz... PC games did. HD gaming was always a part of my life.
Thats cute and all but try gaming on a 21:9 34 inch that shit is bomb
I used an old ViewSonic... also had a Widescreen 16:10 CRT that I worked on ages ago...
Harmful to the eyes, they will bleed :)
+TrwSeama Well that's really fucking stupid given that I'm clearly not associated with them.
I disliked your video because you have Vox in your name and I dislike Vox, especially with what they have done recently.
I use a CRT when I'm playing retro games on emulator. Games from the N64/PSX age and earlier look way better on CRT than LCD. Sometimes old shows and movies can too, especially if they're in 4:3 ratio. ...but everything else looks way better on LCD.
closest thing to CRT would be plasma which had a short run
I came into this video as a skeptic, and you converted me to CRT fan. I was quite surprised to learn how advanced this old technology was in the early 2000s. What a great, informative video!
unless the monitors ou are using support output spec of 1080p and the latter 4k you wasting time try to use the crt.. Most VGA connections for the 3-5 years have suppoted 1080p -4k over vga.. so a sub 90's mid 2005 vga monitor isn't going to support these resolutions.. if you reallly want to look at 1080p or 4k resolution the most resolution you are likely to get is 720p on most cd to dvd based media, so trying to force an upscale to 1080i or 1080p if the game supported it, as far as native resolutions go 720x576 wold be a plausible outcomes as this the max resolution you obtain on s-video and so forth.. I have no clue of what s-video is like in the ntsc-j and ntsc-us arena .. however you might be able to force a resolution of 720x5776 either on on vcd1.0 or vcd 2.0 what might be usable from the sega saturn and dream cast vs what came before... looking at snes-wii you can likely get the best resolution from the s-video cable as I do s-video will work on a snes console as i diid an s-video setup to a tv i owned With the likes of hdmi cables being available for the the ps2, xbiox , 360, dream cast If you don't push past the limitation of the original media you can likely upto 720p on mostr resolutionsa.. I can't comment on component cables on nintendo consoles and how far back you can go in hardware use past the the gamecube not likely the best resolution out of composite capable tv's is going to be lcd based tv's for most games that aren't light gun based games And the lcd tv oif the 10 or so years is likely going to give the best resolution over rf on rf based analog consoles at the end of the day you can be harming playback on original hardware.. I grew up on on crt tv's for console use however the best playback resolution you will have is from an lcd tv interms of composite/component/s-video connection as for monitor if can push more resolution for from vga and scart all the power to you though pushing past 720x576 may create lag and cause more issues in upscaling to a faormat the original hardware didn't support originally I know external processor scalers help you in some degres however you might harm playability trying to force resolution the hardware was never designed for.. at the end of the day do what you like in terms of what you want to use as a monitor Once you step into a larger display it is bery hat to return to a a smaller display after that.. I hate to tell you this looking at 4k material on a less than 32 nch display looks real bad as for these gaming monitors people use I will say this you waste a lot of cash on these for the highest resolution plausible .. Unless your vga monitor was built within the last 10 years It is pointless to consider it as a viewing option from a pc perspective everythign within the last 5 or so years has had a vga support of 1080p..so my las 5 laptops have told me.. I haven''t bother with pc based monitors in the last 5-7 years because the tvs of this generation function just fine as a gaming monitor whether you use HDMI or vga.. you might waste upto $2,500 on upto 32 inch "gaming" monitors Though have you ever thought to hook your pc up to your 56+ inch tv via hdmi or vga.. from what I have seen from a console perspective between both xbox one, xbox one x, ps4 and ps4 pro we are getting there however you still need to external devices to improve 4k resolution and this on genral gamepkay.. in years to come I think we are going to be looking at somethigni n similar to mame for retro console streaming for the best resolution possible... because unlees you have a a big are to mount the conisoles in you aren't going to have an option
Also I with I kept my 3 flat glass crt's!!!
Dude I've been trying to explain this shit to my friends for years. They think just cause its a flat panel, its more superior.
I have a Loewe Aconda 9381 capable of running 1080p through Scart RGB. Not sure how to though...It has a space for VGA on the board, I wish someone had one of those kits, would be awesome to see how it performs in 2019.
I miss my old CRT
What's the game at 17:22?
A grown man with a Pikachu hat. I wonder if he likes to go to playgrounds
I still have and use that Onkyo amp.
Crts are too large.
I wish there were companies that kept pushing CRT technology, just for the fuck of it. I'm going to miss these things in 20 years when we're likely not going to be able to find them anymore.
You've a lot of good info in this video.
i have had so many high end workstation monitor from HP visualize , Sun and SGI those screen wwere unbelevable but in fact lot of those screen were Sony GDM rebadged displays
Where can I buy a Dell M770 for free or cheap?
Ffs i hate hidden ads in your vids.
Nothing hidden about it. The only ad was for ModMic and it was quite obvious.
I still stick to 4:3 LCD monitors from the 00s. CRTs hurts my eyes
My CRT from 2000 has better color than my 2015 LG 4k TV
I've got many CRTs. Commodore 1802(2) and a 1084. couple VGA and a few TVs. my Commodore 1084 is by far my favorite! picture is extremely sharp and bright
When my CRT monitor burned out I wasn't too happy about it, and frankly it hurt my eyes too bad really when using one in the past. When I replaced it for an LCD I was actually pretty happy. I hated CRT for the weight they had, damn those things are heavy.
I like crt monitors
Just found a CRT in garbage, it still works and it's awesome! I have forgotten how it used to be when I had my old PCs back in 90s, before I changed to new monitor. I tested it in an old 286 PC, and the text mode looks soooo sharp, the VGA 320*200 so proper pixels and colors are more vivid. The games/demos with good hardware scrolling, it feels sooooo smooth. Only problems, it was too heavy, more junk at my home that are hard to move or place somewhere, it also fizzles a bit at start (makes noises and signal jumps, but after 10 minutes of working it stops at least), might have made my eyes hurt not sure after half an hour of using it, so maybe I am not as used anymore to these old screens. Might use it occasionally for some oldschool stuff (demo watching, playing a retro game for few minutes) but possibly not for long, will see.
@fuzzywzhe, I have to agree with you. CRT’s firstly have limited bandwidth due to cables and internal analog circuits. They were limited to 350MHz B/W which means you got artefacts at the upper end (checker board highest frequency). You got aliasing problems, chroma crawl, misaligned colours, and noise due to the analog amplifiers (Johnson, shot, etc). You also had the problem of e-beam alignment for the CRT for the separate beams of RGB. And then you had the 0.28mm dot pitch problems of non conformal coating and shadow mask issue. Do you also remember burned-in ghost images too !! Basically CRT’s are crap in comparison to today’s LCD’s. I’ll never look back. Obsolete for a reason.
Display treasure!
You're not gonna talk about the health risks associated with CRTs? Like the fact that they emit Xrays--a form of ionizing EM radiation? Sure, it's not enough to be immediately dangerous, but it _is_ more than what an LCD/LED emits, and is apparently worse for your eyes (an NES light gun can detect the light from a CRT but not from an LCD, making a CRT analogous to a lightbulb). Not only that, but on a computer desk, your face is much closer to the CRT than it would be if you were watching CRT TV. And what's the one thing our parents always warned us about when watching the tube?
Would be cool to get one, but I am scared of the innards... what if you buy a dodgy one, and you get it and its all dangerous and stuff?
I've always noticed PC CRT monitors had excellent image quality with movies and wanted to hook up my Xbox 360 to one but the wire for it at the time was expensive
I like CRTs for older computers, 4.3 aspect ratio looks like shit stretched out on modern screens, and for lower resolutions like 320x200 to look good you need a CRT. on the real thing it doesn't look as pixelated and disgusting as it does on more modern screens. get an old 14" vga and 320x200 will look normal and 640x480 will look really sharp, nice and "high resolution".
I still use one.
I just need a crt tv so I can play Smash Melee properly.
I got my hands on a CRTCCTV with two video BNC in/out, but I can't figure out how to output my PS3. AV won't work with a female av to male bnc adapter, it only acknowledges a NTSC source over the cable with no image, and I have no idea what I can do with it.
1800x1440 is 5:4; 1920x1440 is 4:3.
One thing I liked about ALL CRTs is they are glass. They don't have a soft plastic surface like LCDs often have. CRTs were practically indestructible as long as they don't fall hard onto the floor. Not only did CRTs take up more space than an LCD but CRTs were sometimes very heavy depending on their size. If they did not contain toxic metals such as lead we would probably not have been phasing CRTs out. I still have a CRT TV in my bedroom. The only real problem with CRTs is trying to dispose of them. The garbage collectors don't take them any more in some cities. Just drive down an alley in Pittsburgh and you will see one sometimes that the owner of was just too lazy to search for a place to take it to and get rid of it.
I feel nostalgic for the static discharge, the ionized air smell, the high-pitched static noise, the heat and the resolutionless sharpness of these displays... The first LCDs were truly a shitfest - dim, ghosting, boring. I've got a pretty decent display now, a 27" IPS 165Hz 1440p G-Sync display. Very good contrast, very fast. But there is some pixel response blur in action and I can't really play old games scaled up without them looking crap. I can't exactly justify buying a CRT screen now, but I do 100% miss them. Well, I don't miss the eye strain... :D
I have a CRT that needs repair but repairmen don’t even try to fix mine! Sucks!
The best was DLP for TV's, our old Mitsubishi was great, had some of the best color depth, and no lag at all when playing. Our 5 year old Samsung LCD has crap colors, and cost like 2K, and our cheap tv/monitor cost around 250 new, and has better color
I've always wanted to buy a CRT monitor and my dad always said that they produce some dangerous radiation... Should I be afraid of this?
They specifically have lead lining to prevent that from being dangerous. That was only a problem pre-1970s
7:00 Is that youmg Hayley Williams?
They are power hungry. That is why.
I still use a LOEWE CRT TV. Not because I think it's better than modern Flatscreens, but because of he is still working. I don't dump functional stuff.
@ EposVox, I just recently acquired an apple studio G3 crt monitor. I use it to play wii games mostly and it looks fantastic. I use a vga to component cable, on this cable there is an input for my playstation 2, but it doesn't work? How can I enjoy this monitor with my PS2? What do I need to do?
You probably just didn't set up your PS2 correctly or something.
It's funny how nostalgia blinds you to what something was like at the time. Basing something on the best of the best of times passed, vs the base level of current day, is fairly idiotic. Even if you were basing things on averages, you wouldn't see these comparisons. If you were comparing things honestly and based on averages, you'd have a 1280x1024 CRT that ran at 60hz max vs a 1920x1080 LCD that has the same maximum refreshrate. Also, the color limitations would probably be a lot closer, if not worse on the CRT. CRT's also had scaling issues, so that's just a blatant lie. Some didn't, but the vast majority did. That being said, my LCD scales perfectly fine... But, yet like the majority of the CRT's listed in this video, it's not an average display. Oh... it's also 144hz, 1650x1440, 600nit, and HDR... so....
lmfao
Okay. UMM plasma and LCD screens are glass. Kind off stupid that comment you posted.
i had a few crt monitors i wanted to get rid of a few years ago. about 6. i had set them out to the curb like on trash day. they were gone before i got back into the house. theres alot of people in my town that scrap due to jobs not being great here. and they tear out all the metal out and then get rid of whats left to places that can despose of it. then i started doing that too now that i have a house and a garage to work in. it helps with bills or wanting something extra. crt tv's i love but not a big fan of monitors due to most not having speakers built in or able to connect some. so i keep crt tvs. and i have a nice 36" tv that i can hook up old game systems and computers too. so that aint goning anywhere til it dies off. its in my atiic and its like 120lbs. so when it does die off. i gotta tear it apart to get it down small and steep steps.
Just preference, I started using crt monitors since 1994 until 2005. I would never go back to those power hogs bulky monitors. Hipsters just want them because of how retro it looks. What's the next video, type writers better than keyboards? GTFO
*makes 20 minute video about advantages and disadvantages with "looks" being an afterthought, since most people HATE the way they look* yep, clearly all about the looks lmfao
6:38 No. I'm pretty sure this is just wrong. The resolution is not defined only by the sweep rate, but also by the dot pitch (unless you're using a B/W monitor). Plus, ya know, power efficency... I'd be glad if you could prove me wrong
Honestly I will say this is a side of things that I deliberately don't bother going down the rabbit hole on - but TVL does not equal fixed resolution. Could limit the max possible resolution for sure - but that's already why a lot of higher resolutions start to get blurrier for that very reason, and you go far enough and bandwidth/scan speed would be a limiting factor already. Though I know quite a few people that use CRT monitors (widescreen FW900 ones) and CRT Projectors to limit to a 2.35:1 4K ratio at 24hz for movies and say it's incredibly sharp, etc.
+EposVox I'm still not convinced. As far as lines goes, you might be right (as long as they're using an aperture grille and not a shadow mask), but columns must be fixed. Considering each monitor needs three different phosphors per column, you can only fit so much on the screen, plus the holes in the mask/grille are fixed as well. On the other hand B/W monitors use an uniform coating and no masking, so they're able to draw on any part of it. Still, I'm pretty ignorant on the argument, I don't pretend to know more than you, and the above is the result of a lazy and fast research on wikipedia + some knowledge I gathered in the past from the internet.
Dot pitch affects the sharpness it can resolve resolutions at, but doesn't define resolution, no.
There not illegal to throw away everywhere like in ohio i used to work trash and we threw away dozens of these weekly and they are quite cool to watch explode... yes they actually explode its just glass...
The Fw900 is worth actual money? !!!?! I think I have a few that still work.
Really?
Dude. You're my new GHG fix and I can NOT express how big of a compliment that is.
Haha well thanks!
i love crt´s
"Just one frame of latency" At 60 fps thats 16ms: more latent than even bad quality LCD monitors. Do the math.
That's not true at all. I test LCD monitor latency regularly. Just as with a CRT, the fastest a LCD can ever be at the bottom of the frame is 16.67ms because it still draws it top to bottom like a CRT. That's not how "input lag" is measured.
I had a 3k Silicon Graphics CRT cost me 2.5K in '05. weighted 90lbs ... glad to be rid of it.
As an artist I'm clinging to my CRT monitor because I'm unconvinced by any LCD I've encountered, for reasons you've touched upon; primarily that LCD/LED has a narrower gamut and doesn't do true black, so generally only excels at the display of bright, oversaturated images. Hoping i can find a replacement in some junk shop when this one finally coughs its last. n.n;
You got my sub with the Runescape bit.
:D
Its actually known as HD DB15 (for VGA), idiot.
My 144hz Viewsonic flatscrean comes not even close to the 100hz on CRT. Made an ufo-test on both and the flatscrean ist just blury and not sharp. On CRT 100hz you see every frame with 0 blur. My CRT is BELINEA 10 80 30 and I'm on 1920x1440-100hz.
Interesting, I had no idea.
How human brain works: I see crt in the background on his video ME: Wow look at those nice deep colors. WAIT.
I had a crt up until 2013
Ancient trash. Any more dumb questions?
Sadly, CRT aren't for me, since I get sick of them the same way I get sick from VR... it somehow varies a bit of the game's pace/involvement but things like fast paced FPS would make me feel sick in about 5 minutes already. On top of that, I'm sensitive to the high pitch noise they produce, so... yeah they're really not for me. However, something I'd like to mention: The early LCD Screens (often 5:4 1280x1024) usually have 75hz and their latency is around 5ms, which isn't THAT bad. Depending on which games you play, I'd suggest going for 800x600 or 720p and disable scaling in your AMD/Nvidia driver, this will give you black bars, but a very clear picture. It's also a good method to help your GPU out with demanding games. Another benefit is, that those monitors are really small and light, meaning you can place them wherever and can also take them with you... and they're dirt cheap.
CRT were good and had many advantages to LCDs early on. I kept using my old 21" CRT for a good long while into the LCD era until I felt the tech was mature and not prohibitively expensive. That said - right now I have to be honest and say that if you want to get one it should probably be primarily if you want it for nostalgia or "authenticity" reasons. We have gotten to the point now where the downsides to LCD compared to CRT are very few and small - while the benefits have continued to grow over time. If you expect a CRT (especially an old worn one which is likely the only one you can still find) to actually outperform a quality LCD screen in 2019 I think you will realistically be disappointed. Great video though, and don't take this as a dis against retro hardware. I can totally see the appeal for some, having been a fledgling nerd in that era myself :)
bro that transition to advertisement was wild good work man.
YOU ARE A MONSTER!!!
I wish consumer we could swap out all f connectors to bnc
crts are one thing I dont miss from the old days. of course, in the beginning lcds were horrible, but todays lcds are great, but you always have to know what you want. if youre a gamer, especially fps gamer, get a fast tn or va panel, if color is more important to you, get a good, little higher priced, ips panel.
You've convinced me. Ok. I've worked in front of CRt monitors for some years when I was a kid but never knew a thing about refresh rates.
i kinda feel bad that i trashed one of those 24" 90lbs mother fuckers a few years back
Well what the hell, i'm currently using a 1080p sony tv (60 hertz) as a monitor, might as well go crt!.
I notice you use GNOME. ❤️
i have a 32 inch sitting in my living room i want gone. any of you wanna come get the damn thing? LOL
Aren't HDFury devices illegal and thus could be seized by Customs if you buy them?
https://torrentfreak.com/4k-content-protection-stripper-beats-warner-bros-in-court-1605xx/
+EposVox Isn't there an issue with HDCP circumvention?
They are not illegal, no.
I specifically bought a CRT at a yard sale back in 2013 for ten bucks for these very reasons, but my mother gave it away to my grandmother a little bit afterward. I still don't entirely forgive her for it, because I would have to pay $100 or more to replace it. Hopefully, grandma stored it and didn't just give it away.
My gtx 1080 ti only supports hdmi and display port...
These things made my eyes hurt after 2 hours of game paly
Unless if you use an external upscaler, old game consoles will generally look better on a CRT than an LCD.
At this rate, they are mostly just useful for much older PC games.
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do CRT monitors give off an earmelting frequency when they're on like CRT tvs do?
I'd pay real money to get my hands on a NEC MultiSync 3D...
2:47 Good Blockbuster reference lol.
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I find CRT's interesting and own one but they are ancient junk to me. They are very large and have a very soft picture. Old games look better on my 4'3 LCD. I can't even get rid of it for free. I've thought about throwing it in the dumpster. One good thing though is they never break those things last forever.
I happen to have a CRT monitor and it does not make that sound. Something inside them is clocked higher that makes it impossible to hear.
The BIGGEST disadvantage of Buying a CRT Monitor is the core technology on which CRT is based i.e. Electron Beams. You can't sit on CRT for long as the electron beams will irritate your eyes after sometimes with teardrops, eye burns etc. I had these experiences when I was a kid and when my Dad bought my first LCD Monitor, these issues quickly disappeared even though it has same refresh rates like it had with CRT monitor before.
CRT monitors had much better colours, deeper black and could support many resolutions without loosing sharpness. But usually they were really sharp up to certain resolution below their "native" or optimal resolution. For example, I had a 19" crt wich was advertised as/it claimed to be 1280x1024. It could take a 1280x1024 or a 1280x960 60hz resolution (or even more than 60hz, i don´t remember exactly but i think it was at least 75) without problem. It could even take a 1600x1200 signal fine (i don´t remember whether it could do that at 60hz, 52hz, 47hz). At lower resolutions it could take higher refresh rates, 75, 85, 100, 120, i don´t remember if it was capable ot 144hz. The lower the resolution, the higher the refresh rate available. But the point is, it could only display perfectly distinctively pixels ONLY up to 1024x768, may be 1152x864. If you fed it with a checkerboard patern of black and white pixels, you could only see those pixels up to 1024x768. At 1152x864 and up you started getting a grey mess instead of a checkerboard pattern. The rgb shadow mesh behind the glass (the one that allowed the 3 electron beams to hit the intended R, G or B phosfor dots on the screen in order to light them, had a certain fixed size, and the rgb dots itselves had a certain fixed dot size, that limited the max actual resolution, and that was commonly much less than the max/optimal resolution specified on the manual. And in my example, my 19" monitor was a pretty much better performing unit than the more commonly and widespread 17" ones. I don´t know if far more expensive models had much smaller dot size, but consumer products used to have that problem. You had 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 in a 19" monitor, but it really was like using nvidea´s DSR 1440p or 4k on a 1080p monitor. You could distinguish individual pixels only up to 1024x768, doubtly to 1152x864. For 17" monitors it was even worse, you could only distinguish individual pixels up to 800x600 i think. From 1024x768 and up, individual pixels started blending together. that´s not what I would call precisely sharp. If anybody has more experience on this matter, it would be nice to read their comments. Especially what was the higher resolution those crt monitors had at which individual pixels were still distinguissable from each other. (they could accept higher resolutions perfectly fine, but actually displaying them was a completely different story)
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There is a way to fix the dimmed tube by the way, by "shocking" the tube with a capacitor (it's more complicated than that, but you get the idea). I've no idea how this method is called in english though or if it's even well known outside of my country. So it's not at all necessary to dispose your favorite crt, it can have a second life. Or even a third.
In my Study I have a cupboard.. with old gear in it.. including a Pristine Sony Trinitron G420... I'm thinking of connecting it to my PC
but IPS though
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crt is outdated and useless unless you want to use it on specific stuff. get over it
I have an lg flatron crt monitor...spent my life playing old games like gta 3, vice city, san Andreas ,max payne ...
I've been looking to get one for use with LLE Emulation. Using the native resolution on a modern monitor is garbage, I want that sweet sweet crt babyyy.
CRT PC Monitor is the best way to play a Sega Dreamcast
1:58 heyyyy i have the crt tv with nes and snes, as described
I still have 2 Crt tvs so I can play old consoles and watch vhs and betamax. It's just fun to hold on to the past while others move on. It's like your living in the 80s on weekends and back in 2019 on Monday xD
When I move down south, I'll find a nice big widescreen trinitron crt tv for myself.
1600x1200 works great for me. Never used anything higher, but still curious..
Can I run new battleroyale games on CRT ?
Even if you're John Carmack, where the fuck do you get a monitor like that back then?
CRT — Classic Retro Tech
This videos transitions make me hungry for tech
CRT monitors had the best colors and the deepest black you can imagine.
I just have better viewing angles on crt
I remember in 1st grade using these monitors and how shutting them off while using it for a while made that crackling sound used to scare the shit outa me also they don’t really tend to have that 16 MHz whine to it other than crt TVs
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Now I'm wishing I never threw my CRT flatscreen monitor away. I had a large 30ish inch display if I can remember correctly. I had the largest monitor of all my friends. We would play every Friday have a LAN party with 8-10 people who all brought their towers and CRTs over to my house and we set up in the kitchen and dining room. Mom would make pizza rolls for everyone and even my dad and his friends started getting on and playing. Max we had was 15-20 people set up. We played RS rouge spear, ghost recon, halo combat evolved, and quake 2, quake 3, and quake 3 arena all night long. The good ol days. Just one day I got a modern LCD and took the 75lbs of CRT put a free sign on it set it on the curb and was gone in a day. Kids today would scratch their heads trying to explain a LAN party to them.
i had a black compaq branded sony trinitron model at 21" usb hub was broken but damned that screen was great. too bad it was such a heavy bulky beast. i couldn't find a computer desk even back in 2009. I had a heavy duty folding project/picnic table, and that bastard still bowed the shit out of it. I had to move quickly and it sadly ended up on the curb as i had no time to properly store, sell or donate the beast. i get sad when i think about it. i loved that damned thing. i miss is more than i do some girl friends. the monitor never let me down, more than i can say for the .. well you know.
Did he just say that "the early 2000s was a much cooler time for tech" than today??? Good luck for the average person to get a screen OVER 19".... My 19" CRT monitor was over 35+ LBS!!! And the larger CRTs could weigh as much as 75+LBS and took up massive desk space, and forget 4k resolutions. I was playing Counter Strike on a 19" CRT monitor back then, and my computer was considered "advanced" with 128MB ram and 750Mhz athalon with 32Mb video ram on a nvidea gforce... only very fortunate people even had access to broad band internet, most people still was using DIAL UP!!! And my "smartest" phone was a green screen flip phone that could NOT PLAY VIDEO OR MUSIC... and it cost me $400+ I defiantly disagree with that statment... next thing you will tell me next, is how Atari 2600 gaming was at a "cooler time" than today...
How big a monitor was was always a detriment. The added amount of plastic bullshit behind the screen your viewing is always a negative. As for resolutions. That’s cool. I’m glad they were capable of decent resolutions by today’s standards but the rest of the computer wasn’t so it’s moot. I also had a 1 ms response gaming monitor in 2012 and it was maybe 300 bucks. This is pure boosterism.
I grew up with CRT Monitors and CRT TV, so I think I have a soft spot for them. Sadly, I don't actually own a CRT Monitor. Though my parents have lots of them. Though I think some or most of them are now in the Broke Bin.
Lol preferring CRT over LCD is literally stupid.
I have no problem for people preferring that.
dual wide screen led displays. do i miss the old crts? heck no.
I have the HP version of the Sony FW-900, 24" flat widescreen CRT. Still going strong. I restored the image by using Windas program that uses a special cable to adjust the max brightness and contrast. The picture is brighter and more colorful than any LCD now, and on par with OLED. I have my PC and xbox one x hooked up to it via an HDFury 3. The picture quality is absolutely amazing! No ghosting whatsoever!
19:22 Yep. I understand that sound completely.
I have a huge CRT TV, and it still works. I am trying to get rid of it for free. If anyone wants it, give me a heads up.
The modern consoles ditched the CRT tv. Also old school consoles can't played w\ modern tv w\ out a converter box or modd the old school consoles w\ HDMI.
I love CRT displays and televisions, I have quite a few working ones set up around the house, but sadly the coolest one I own is dead. It’s transparent green but doesn’t turn on. I’ve worked inside CRTs before but I don’t have a screwdriver for this set. I’m always trying to learn more about the hardware to save them. My friend and I went from “what’s a fly back?” To replacing a bunch them in like a month or two.
From time to time I still use a Relisys CRT monitor for my Compaq Deskpro with Windows 98 on it. Also I use a last generation flat TV CRT from Grundig pretty regularly.
I remember when a friend of mine first got into filmmaking. he had a $11,000 2k 10 bit NEC monitor that had SDI (SMPTE 424M) inputs on it.
Wanna team on farframe m8 XD if ur down 4 it
Crt monitors r truly display treasure!
Dual 20" CRT's .... Damn I miss those..... But I don't miss moving them.
+Lister Dave Unfortunately we don't have OLED monitors for PC users yet. When we do, i agree.
Was very true but only until OLED came along.
CRT monitors are the Ferrari of monitors.
I basically would like to use a Widescreen CRT Monitor for my Arcade Cabinet.
CRT is really only for nostalgic enthusiasts, 1440p 144hz led monitors with ultra thin bezels are the way to go. I don't want my monitor to have an identity, i don't even want to know that it's there when I'm gaming.
shhhh don't spread the truth. The reality is that the human eye can't see more than 24 colors per moments. High frequency displays are useless. You also always be sqrt(2*(size/2)^age) distance of units from the base yours speakers.
cellphones were cooler too
+DreamReaver Actually we do, there is at least one I know of by Dell. Besides, a 4K OLED TV does exactly what a monitor would. There no longer seems to be any difference between monitors and TVs nowadays except that TVs have tuners and a remote control while PC monitors don't. I am using a 4K Panasonic TV as my primary monitor for my PC.
OLED beats them all. The only problem is the size/price constraint. The Mitsubishi Diamondtron is the best quality CRT followed by the Sony Trinitron.
look up mr Carlsons lab on yt or how to test components recap old crap will help even a working unit and one that stars acting up is super eaxy as its just the start of a failure showing up but it was bad before just not to that point yet caps are times sensitive parts they dry out,,,i say bs bs crt tv monitors are easy to fix basic parts testing can go far n you should be able to do it n if to bizzzy to learn any vintage audio receiver repair guy worth his salt can fix it
I still have my old crt. Sony Trinitron 14". Love it for retro gaming. Id never throw it away. In my opinion crt tv's are far far from the trash can.
I don't think we will see displays better than CRTs until inorganic micro LED technology goes mainstream.
The good old days of 1152x864
What is the game at 14:55? It looks cool!
You can use a CRT TV as a computer monitor with an ATI card or equivalent and can capture from composite or S-Video using a USB adapter.
I have several! LOL
I somehow managed to connect my laptop to my old tv using hdmi to scart converter and I started watching 4:3 videos and played my old cd games. It was almost a time machine for me but after a week, my tv started to make scary sounds and died eventually... Old tvs and monitors are heavy, they take too much space, they don't really have a very clear image (I only tried crt TV, I don't remember old crt monitors) and they don't last too long. If you have it at home there's nothing like the feeling of going back in time but If you want to buy them, be prepared for a big disappointment too
What if they made a 4k crt tv and crt computer monitor?
Kinda fun, hope you do more constructive things besides this though, or at least, if not, realize ya kinda should, i know i do, ...oké , more realizing then actually doing, but i am trying ringo !
Ideed! Micro LED will Revolutionize the Industry!! I've been keeping my Eye on that tech for sometime now, and I totally agree that's the "CRT" Tech we've been waiting for!! It's like akin to seeing the mega Bright Vibrant Light of say a Street Light.. Super GREEN or RED and can be seen miles away! Think that but with those bulbs as tiny little imperceptible pixels that don't burn out! That's INCREDIBLE Visual Tech!
I have an x27. Love it, but still not perfect. Pixel response time is still slightly slow. My LG C8 oled TV on the other hand, is just about perfect. Just lacks 4k @120 (does have 1080 @120) and variable refresh rate.
ok so who's never had a crt in this group?
Is that OSRS, bro?
Some examples with 240 hz CRT?
More info about CRT input lag and resolution? Concrete models?
Bahn Yuki says otherwise and that guy does have a few oleds. In fact this is in the field Sony BVM monitors set the standard with.
Long as it's an older ATI card. There's stuff like the old 15khz programs that get proper 240p out.
BVM's are the Ferrari. PC just bypasses that bridge troll who's always asking $500+ for one.
Very few of those were ever produced that were non-HDTV (those include processing = LAG) Good luck on your search
I'm looking at this comment and can't help but shake my head in disbelief. People who think panels are superior have either missed the point or missed the boat on using one. No lag, no refresh problems, no motion blure, ALL NATIVE RESOLUTION. Panel tech needs another 10 years at least to get all the problems out and even then they may not be trying.
I have no problem seeing the OP earn his Darwin Award. :D
I know I don't miss that lcd motion blur.
yah the old tv were easy to use exactly look at records player and lp there back in store cd did last at all old stuff is better
10:11 This video has been sponsored by Grammarly
+voltz15 You don't need a certain resolution for CRT though, just conversion and refresh rate... CRTs don't have any resolution and will display anything that can pass through.
+voltz15 True. I use a 2004-2005 card.
+Chatsu8o i had a setup that had me walk close past a 26" crt. man those big shockers are another thing i don't miss. you could almost see the lights dim as the shock entered my body!
i actully presst f
Gah I disposed of a Nokia CRT not long ago. Wish I'd fiddled around more with it. High refresh rate would be really nice to try out
Anyone know good sites to get CRT’s for cheap? I’m trying to play Melee competitively. I also want it to be at least 720p, any help?
I was wanting to use my a300w asrock PC as a retro emulation machine but I'm really star struck on using it with my rgb CRT TV. I'm just lost on how to make it work to look as original as possible. Any ideas?
Watching on an Lcd btw
Hahah then the Video goes fullscreen
FYI Compaq made a Trinitron-based 24" 1920x1200 monitor. I think the model was P1610. I used to have two of them on my desk at work (around 90 pounds each, IIRC). They were excellent, able to sync to all kinds of signals.
Maybe i should open up a CRT repair shop... hrmm
15:58 I actually felt bad
I used to have an old 1024 by 768 80hz monitor. Until my brother dropped it
CRTs always make this high-pitch noise when you turn it on and it STAYS ON, IT'S SO ANNOYING
TVs, not monitors
imagine if CRTs would be still improved until now, we would probably have 4k@480hz by now.
I still have my old 17" crt flatscreen monitor. I recently tried to turn it on, and was amazed at how colorful and crisp image is. BUT, its constant high pitched noise from high voltage is very annoying, i remember i didnt noticed this noise when i was using it back in days, but now i do. Also i remember when i was using my crt monitor i could not use it in less than 120hz mode, flashing was really hurting my eyes if i go any lower, but at 120hz resolution was only 1024x768. And 4:3 aspect ratio was really annoying for actual work on pc, everything was so cramped.
CRT > 4K
I watched your video at least 3 times now, love your enthusiasm man. Respect. I have three Samsung syncmaster's. A 793s, 793DF and a 750s. Also have a CW-21M063N TV by Samsung too.
Just connected my Sony HD CRT to my Toshiba laptop and let me tell you the sheer joy of it playing any game was just awesome! I can't even begin to explain the difference. The laptop has a 120hz display but the Sony Tv was extremely good, the laptop display was only OK. I even tried streaming through steam from my gaming pc and it was better than ever the way it displays just fixes everything. Played a 3d game and a side scrolling game. CRT wins!
Not to make light of a perfectly valid hobby, but I play games mostly from 93' to mid or late 2000's (even occasionally modern titles) and their is one thing I'd NEVER in my life look to invest in at this point in time. A CRT computer display. Their is no way on God's green earth you could get me to order one of these- shipping cost alone would murder my wallet, or lug it out of someones house that I met on craigslist, I wouldn't even go down to a picker yard, or a depot or any place like that to grab one. I wouldn't even take one off the side of the road if I just saw it sitting there- those days are long gone. On a modern system, you can use API wrappers, you can set frame rates accordingly, you can emulate hardware or operating systems, you can adjust resolutions even on a 16:9 or 16:10 (or wider) LED/LCD monitor. High refresh rates? I'm sure it'll be an actual standard in monitors fairly soon (and I owned a high refresh fate monitor at one point and honestly didn't see what all the fuss was about). I'm nearly 32 years old, my eye sight is NOT and never WILL be as good as it used to be, though I don't wear glasses, I have no reason to go back to a CRT. Not for the weight, the heat, the noise, and certainly not for the resolution. tl;dr Retro is "in" right now. They're are loads of people that have been interested in holding onto to the past and they have their reasons to do so. Don't take this guys advice. Their is not a single reason to own one unless you're an enthusiast, a purist, or just someone who is very invested in the technology. I owned several CRTS back in the day, couldn't wait to get rid of them.
I used to own a Sony 21" multiscan monitor that was amazing...resolution was beyond 1080p way before when that term became popular. .it was big,bulky and heavy and I used until it died on me. ..the best part was that I got it for free! !!
Amirite
My grandmother has a huge one it's maybe 32 inches I haven't measured but I was curious if anyone still uses crts that big or even has one.
Lol I was thinking that my graphics card from 2014 still has a DVI-D and seconds later you named my graphics card model
I should stole one from my school that use windows 95 pcs
Haha I have 7 crt TVs and pc monitors
@ 10:57 My Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury has DVI.
Yep, that's about as old as 980 :P
Woah... what a trip, I'm passively re-watching GT on my CRT TV while watching this video, as you mentioned flat screen CRTs being sought after I began to consider how my Dragon Boxes would benefit from an upgrade to one of those and looked back to see you had it GT on. I about went outta body looool.
Also thanks for reminding me about that Budokai 3 Limited Edition. I wanted that as a kid, I'll Ebay one today!
my boi watching GT while eating pizza. nice setup tho i would also do the same.
I still have a CRT TV. But I would never go back to a CRT monitor only because space is an issue.
Im 37 and used a CRT for well over a decade but no way id go back to one now, and i was one of the last CRT holdouts (2011 was my first flatscreen panel). I now have a dell gsync TN monitor with a 1440p resolution, 1ms response time and 165hz refresh rate, there is no way any CRT could surpass the experience this is giving me.
all the things in your room.. the nostalgic old games... old school runescape. Truly a man of culture. Subbed
Haha thanks! :D
Something that has irked me since about 2008 is people saying 'CRT's look great, fantastic color' erm no..... there were many utterly crap CRT's. Compare apples to apples, most people upgraded from a relatively expensive or mid range CRT to an entry level LCD back in the day. Forget the low end trash, mid range and up LCD's have always been brighter, crisper (at native resolution) and as the years have rolled on the colour reproduction has been vastly better than most CRT's ever were. It's just nostaliga and bullcrap that people spout. The only thing that has been a backward step is the refresh rate and response time. LCD's have been stuck at 60hz for way too long, 100hz was common even in 2000 just not at the highest resolution. Only recently do we see 80/100/120/144hz becoming quite common. This has been the final nail in the coffin for CRT's. A modern midrange 144hz LCD monitor is a crap load bet ter than any CRT on the market
Yo tengo un monitor CRT juntando polvo en mi casa que quiero usar como segundo monitor pero no tengo espacio en mi escritorio
What about a dual ati 4850 with dvi. Freaking thing is hot as hell, i used the computer as a heater in the winter, worked great
Lol
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Wish I had one near me -- would pay for your services if they were good. Shipping costs, of course, make it impossible to do this beyond local business.
Of course it was a better time for tech... There were actually improvements over time. Today, a 10 year old computer is perfectly usable because tech is moving so slowly.
Not using the audio from the microphone you were advertising? That's all I need to know about that product.
My gf keeps pressuring me to get rid of my 6 crts one of em is a trinitron widescreen with hdmi and another is a Sony bvm with bnc connectors
Put a magnet on it
20 минут отборного говна, долбоеб чешит о чем не понимает. 5 строчек Новые матрицы ( не все) сосут Вас кормят говном Да ЦРТ - если сохранность хорошая и модель топовая Да ЦРТ - Если есть место и силы (тащить/терпеть эту огромную дуру) Да ЦРТ - если ты нищий киберкотлет
Your monitor sounds sexy as fuck. Lol
I remember that ps2 games looked awesome as shiiit on CRT
yES
You don't seem to understand the definition of a word "ancient"...
You don't seem to understand the definition of exaggeration
Shitting bricks now. Holy FS In my mind I have been thinking about CRT TV (not exactly PC monitor) Literally effing *thinking* I DID not type/talked about my thought anywhere. Why tf Youtube recommended me this video
Legit scary man +EposVox
It can read your mind, mwahahahahaha
runescape!!!!!!!!
*drags magnet across screen* Enjoy!
Very grateful for this video ! Great fan of CRTs myself !
watching this video on a crt montior lel
DONT GET RID OF THEM!!!!!!!!!
My last CRT was an NEC 6FG. Although it was a great CRT I had always issues with more a patterns on certain parts of the screen and with Focus uniformity across the entire tube. And it wasn't until I got a professional LCD display with a wide color gamut that I realized that the colors on my CRT were rather muted. I could not get those Dayglo pink and red and blue colors out of a CRT that I got out of the wide gamut LCD. Granted the LCD was an expensive model for graphic design use. But I still have the LCD it's over 10 years old. And now we have DCI 4K LCD panels in our Production Studio and they look incredible.
a person a know still plays on a crt, granted he's not as much a pc gamer as he was but he is a certified modern day caveman with his 720p tv and 480p monitor
You can get crts for Free From the dump
sorry you are wrong, even if resolution is equal it doesn't look nearly as clear as lcd.
He's trolling, right?
I remember my old CRT monitor being able to do 180Hz, but also wondering if it actually made a difference, well, the mouse certainly moved faster, but I could still see flicker and it still gave me dreadful headaches. I still get headaches sometimes with LCD/LED, but not anywhere near as frequent or as bad, so I'll never go back to a CRT monitor. I wouldn't mind getting as CRT TV again though for the old retro systems, not as bad when you can sit back far enough from the TV then.
Dude. Fuck Best Buy.
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k year's right... single co-op.
Old old monitor will damage eyes I am talking about 90s monitors
I see no use of CRT monitors. TV's maybe. But computer monitors, hell know. I don't regret finally getting rid of my old KDS 19" monitor back in 2005. Said goodbye to that crap forever.
complete fucking idiot and cheapstake just to say that the old monitors have some benefits that cant overcome the small resolution dont make ur fucking videos 20 mins
It really depends on the person though
Why would he be?
I have a 1996 27inch Magnavox TV. It weighs around 100 pounds
I hate crt because it make my eyes burn after 1 hour of watching.
I can fix these old beast. One reason people buy this things. To rob them of the parts. To repair the best ones.
Sponsored and adverts...... Dude
2 for me :(
One ad. Dude.
If someone made an affordable 16:9 CRT, I'd buy it.
Because soooo many people have CRT monitors
...I think I'll leave mine in the basement. Like you said at the beginning, flat screen monitors have caught up. 4k, 144hz, and HDR are great.
Its all marketing bullshit. I saw the same thing with hybrid cars and advertisers saying "gets 35 miles per gal!" and im sitting there remembering my first car, which was 400 dollars, that was 1984 hatchback honda accord and that fucker got 35 in town and out of town i was able to drive over 400 miles on half a tank of gas. But hey, good thing 15 years later we got 40,000 dollar hybrids to match it! At least in town, out of town cars still don't match it.
If your playing games like Titanfall 2 a CRT display is questionable (not downplaying the frame rate and its form of resolution), questionable by the size of the display itself and having a high FOV well is hard without having a bigger display and like he said, rare and expensive and especially since we’re beginning to get to the point where CRTs aren’t exactly the high end of graphics. if you want an absolute best display in 1-5 years we could be having wildly higher resolutions and frame rates especially since things like the PS5 (I know it will most certainly not support CRT) supporting apparently 8k graphics the standards are getting higher
I just recently sold my Samsung SyncMaster 997DF that I bought in 2015. The buyer wanted to play games with high refresh rate on it. Specs state 1920x1440, but it went higher than that given the video card.
Wait a second, I've been using one of these things as an end table. You mean it can display the moving pictures too? Mind blown.
Is like phones in 2000' we have different types of phones and now we have black rectangles everywhere
Get a component based cable that shit looks clean even nowadays but well CRT is optional (best game for graphics FF12 and its world)
are the AOC Onyx MM-201 worth anything ? found a couple of them for sell for dirt cheap, seller claims some are new even inside the packaging.
New Sony GDM 400PS owner here
Cool. Light gun games the best type of games needs CRT:-) Though, only the Dreamcast light gun sensors work with the higher refresh rate of PC CRT monitors (Saturn guns and lower won't work, its sensors won't support it). Is a good flat PC CRT as good as BVM and PVM? God bless, Proverbs 31
HDR has been around since Half Life 2, steams free copy of HL2 Lost Coast was designed to specifically demonstrate HDR
Different kind of HDR.
ill take flat screens over a fat monitor screen that causes cancer.
are you also good for a small loan of 100 mil to setup a factory of dubious quality in cheap enough country and an R&D lab to re-engineer the various proprietary processes to achieve relatively sharp picture? :) they were really hard to produce, lots of manual labor
I was using a Samsung CRT till this year, decided to buy an IPS. It is better in only one regard - colors are brighter. CRT indeed had tons of resolutions (I used 1600x1200 85Hz), had MUCH deeper blacks, greys were seamlessly blending into one another (instead of a "ladder" of different shades), and it was sharper and had no visible "cubes"\pixels. Also I loved how when you turn the brightness lower CRT made the blacks and greys much darker, but left whites and bright spots as they were. IPS just tones down everything, and thus I can't get as realistic a picture as on CRT.
Really miss the crt days... btw what game is that at 14:40 ?
ill stick with my 4k 60fps and 1080p 240hz monitors. both with 1ms latency.
Yeah, I would have agreed with you about CRTs being better, until about 2002. The fact is that in about 20 years, LCD monitors have managed to go from their infancy to by far surpassing what CRTs built up in over a century. Yes, CRTs looked sharper in non-native resolutions compared to native, but that's just because CRTs never looked that sharp in their native resolution anyway. And when it comes to the refresh rate, the flickering of CRTs meant that I always had to have them on a resolution of at least 70Hz or more just to look at them for a long time, whereas I've been looking at this LCD TV for hours on 60 Hz, and I've got no problems because the screen isn't constantly flashing on and off all the time. And yeah, my main monitor is 144Hz, but it's not as if it was exactly expensive, even when I bought it a couple of years back. Come off it man, I get why people are nostalgic about these things, but you're just coming off as being into this stuff for pure hipster reasons.
and r9 390 and 390x
LCD is way sharper than CRT both are like comparing a projected image vs the image drawn on a wall, the drawn one will always be sharper, I guess that's why in low resolution the CRT looks way better because the image is actually soft not sharper... while using a high resolution LCD in a small package everything is just razer sharp at its native resolution off course, however some good tv's have a really nice upscaller like the 4K one I have, it even seems to add some kind of antialiasing and other crap, however for gaming they just dont work, my TV has a huge input lag, can only play with gaming mode which colors, contrast and that nice sharper image all goes away and still is too high input lag, but my 4K TV is very old a 2015 model, nowadays 4K tv's have way lower input lag than mine and some get close to a already good monitor... Colors and contrast on the CRT is much worse compared to even a lot of cheap LCD's (though there are still indeed some very dodgy LCD's even nowadays that look terrible and worse than a good CRT) and in brightness theres blinding super bright LCD's out there specially on TV's going close to 1000 nits even in SDR and the color standard is way higher than CRT. The 2018 Samsung Q9 QLED TV for example even though it works a bit different than a normal LCD with normal white leds backlight, has a huge amount of contrast with true native 6055:1 and goes up to 19018:1 using the local dimming which actually works pretty good on that high end TV since it has a good amount of dimmable led areas in my opinion it even kills the LG OLED in many things. Even for gaming the Q9 TV is not bad, it can do 120hz and supports Freesync and has good motion which would please 90% of gamers (off course a gaming monitor is better). Though the future will definitely be microled since JBD already shown in 2018 a 5000ppi 1 million nits of brightness microled displays though they were either Red, Green or blue and they had a RGB one combining the 3, but they were working on a RGB one since then. 1 million nits jeez its even way too bright for anyone to watch, they will even have to reduce its brightness :) (ppl watching them had to wear some glasses that looked like sunglasses LOL). ps: I can't say I ever liked much CRT, the latest one we had was like a 18 or 19 inch samsung close to 2000's and was expensive, but when I bought my first LCD in 2004 even being super slow lagged, crappy motion and even crappy contrast back then or not amazing brightness or colors, my eyes thanked me a lot, the CRT melted my eyes too much and buying a filter above it makes it look worse too. Also all my CRT tv's after some years all got blurred, out of focus or the image started distorting, the one I had was like a 13 inch small tv in my room since the 90s and it got fixed several times but the images was already completely screwed and it end up exploding with a HUGE bang that even scared the fuck out of me lol (sounded like a bomb). I have always had luck with my LCD's, none ever lost their quality and never had a broken one, guess I'm lucky since a friend of mine bought a expensive Sony big TV like 3 years ago and 4 days later the image was all corrupted lol, my 2004 LCD is still working and looking the same as new and was a Samtron not even a good samsung and was used quite a lot of thousands and thousands of hours.
I hope in future crt tv return.
My CRT has boldly gone where no CRT has boldly gone before. I still have two of these working monsters on the attic (lack of space). It took two of us getting them up there but I probably need the fire departement to get both back below.
Tfw you been looking for a fw900 for 5 years and life doesn't give a fuck
Ok
Funny thing this popped up in my recommendations My mother has a sony CRT tv which still works great, and I bought a LED TV for her and she refuses to replace the CRT because of how good it sounds and bright it gets, then i plugged them both in and played same video. Sound - CRT wins, image quality, well its kind of a draw.
Damn now I feel bad for swaping CRT monitor to LCD one back in the day when LCD start apearing, and only reasions for it was that CRT was taking a lot of space on desk and was considered/rumor that CRT is bad for eyes or something. As far as I remember I had (and still have in garage) a Sony and LG monitors both capable of 180 hz (or 200 hz can't remember corectly) at high resolution that did have realy good image quality. After this video I might just give CRT monitors another try :D
You get 0 input lag
CRT monitors are high quality TVs without a tuner. You just need a box in-between which is usually cheap.
10:55 is that a cat's tail?
I remember when i used a CRT monitor. I was blasted with immense radiation every time that often gave me terrible headaches. So everytime i go near my CRT monitor in the basement i get that ghost headache feeling of radiation in my head. Im glad i got rid of it but at the same time im a bit nostalgic otherwise i would throw it away. Todays monitors are much better with much less radiation emitting and fewever headaches. Using a CRT back in the day was like being in a FUKUSHIMA nuclear reactor.
+EposVox You obviously have no idea.
Unless you were using CRTs in the 70s, you weren't getting "Blasted with radiation."
Dammit, feel a slight headache coming along after reading this.
i think my dell crt is glorious
I don't really miss these screens. They were hell on the eyes and difficult to move. Plus modern displays have caught up imho.
+Raditz Except I do. After the 70s, CRTs had to be made with lead lining to prevent radiation leakage - part of the reason they're so dangerous to manufacture - so you're not getting "blasted with radiation." Headaches likely from the refresh rate/flicker, having to look at the phosphors behind the glass instead of directly on it, etc.
I wish they started to make again CRT monitors to sell with new technology
They sure don't make 'em like they used to.
I'm glad I didn't let my dad talk me into tossing our old CRTs, including a couple 20 inchers. (though he was pushing me to just pick one and stick with it, but between retro tech geek friends and a hint that they might rise in value soon in general, aside from the ... less healthy incentive to just hoard them, I really didn't want to dump them) The refurbished 20 inch workstation SVGA monitor we got around 2000 is probably the best of those. (I think it was originally from a high-end macintosh workstation) On an odd note, we'd gotten some inexpensive GEM 1024x768 60 Hz LCD monitors around that time too, which actually had far less motion blur and really good response time than many newer monitors, though the image quality was more average for a budget range monitor. (sharpness was OK, scaling at non-native resolutions was blurry, and contrast was on the poor side, though they at least had a really wide range of adjustments in the settings, so you could tweak them to view partiularly dark or pale images or washed out stuff when needed, even if that was a bit of a pain to have to do) They also were pretty cool running, unlike a lot of higher end LCDs from then or years later that ran pretty hot backlights and used similar or more power than good CRTs. (we had a little 17" Phillips flat pannel SDTV that probably ran hotter than our 2002-ish vintage 27" flat CRT Sanyo, maybe not more wattage, but definitely a lot more waste heat)
CRT is trash CRT make a very annoying noise the gives me a headache
Fuck Facebook.
@EposVox I have a Sony GDM-FW900 sitting in storage. It was my go to monitor for the longest time, but i purchased a PG279Q and that was easier to bring around to LANs... for obvious reasons. It is in Perfect working condition. Let me know if you are interested.
Added you on Discord!
I literally just found a Viewsonic Optiquest Q71 BRAND NEW in my works basement. My boss is letting me have it!
That only happens when the flyback goes bad!
Nah, CRTs are easier on the on the eyes and modern still have bleak as shit looking displays that can cause eyestrain!
*F* :'(
DUDE Clean your house!
+The Dark Knight Except I do. After the 70s, CRTs had to be made with lead lining to prevent radiation leakage - part of the reason they're so dangerous to manufacture - so you're not getting "blasted with radiation." Headaches likely from the refresh rate/flicker, having to look at the phosphors behind the glass instead of directly on it, etc.
I got a retrotink and I'm picking up a viewsink crt monitor tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing the results!
..there's a PC CRT Collective..? I thought CRT Collective are 200% CRT >.< Finally got me another Trini but XBR series fuckin ED. However it's pretty shot tons of runtime but that does it now just need PC monitor again ahh
7:18 Xfire omg XFIRE is this still a thing?
this dude looka like he has no soul
if crt was better than the shit we got today imagine the technologies from a thousand years ago, they had Emerald Tablets, once engraved, could last forever !!!!!!!!
Are you going to make a video on pre-VGA computer CRT monitors?
19:19 1702. Good boy!
Where I can find a NEC Multisync FE1250+ or similar?
Best mom
2048x1536 is not max for crt, I try 2400x1800i 80hz on samsung 959nf and its works fine. I used converter for that on 1080ti, but on gtx 950 thru dvi-a you cannot use intercalated resolution coz "NVIDIA" sucks:(.Old amd card works fine too. Even on my amd leptop I can set up 2048x1536i @130 hz on linux:). I use 240 hz lcd now, but it still sucks in term of blur and latency. Great video dude!!