Talking Sports Business With Marty Conway And Andy Dolich
and welcome in to press box live i'm stan the fan charles of pressbox and pressbox online.com as he is every wednesday night or just about every wednesday night gary stein joins me gary how are you my friend new sailing from here stanley all right wait a minute i've lost my picture there we go and joining us it's always a fun time we get together with the two smartest guys in any sports business room and we have with us long time executive in four different sports and he'll invent a fifth one to become an executive of that as well that is andy dolitch on the left coast how are you andy i'm great gary stan and marty and marty is uh showing that he is really intelligent with the college sweatshirt i'm just wearing gray but you know i could have worn my american university sweatshirt if i had one well that morning that he's smart because he's paying tribute to the people that pay his check these days he's a professor over at georgetown university in the area sports business so guys we've got well let's you know okay so i do some teaching over here if we're going to go on exactly exactly yes touche you get a paycheck for that andy i want to make sure i do actually uh uh ellen my wife takes 101 of it but i do all right hey we got a lot to field uh in the world of sports today it was interesting i just woke i woke when i woke up i didn't just wake up uh but i woke up and hit the espn i said what are we going to talk about tonight and there's this monster deal uh that the staples center a long time staple for the los angeles lakers now the l.a clippers play there and also didn't the kings play there for a long time marty uh i don't know if they may have they may have uh yeah they did because there was three teams at one time bruce mcnally before he went to jail right absolutely but it's always been as far as i know it's always been the staples center come this december it's going to be crypto.com for a record 700 million dollar deal is that for 20 years i believe marty yeah 20 years is what they've talked about how are they going to pay it yeah they'll be i was going to say they'll probably take they'll they'll take it any way they can but uh they'll take it in in crypto but just think about that a a 20-year deal for a uh cryptocurrency company i mean where was cryptocurrency 20 years ago where do you think it'll be 20 years from now we don't know so um just like any other deal i suspect there'll be some twists and turns along the way well i'm putting every ethereum in a tomato can and bury it in your backyard exactly well gary remembers and i do too when the ravens new stadium went from i think it was the first one or two years gary it was ravens stadium yeah and then they got this big internet concern marty you remember psi net exactly psi net stadium and uh i'd say about three years down the road psa psinet was no longer in business in this right a new name yeah yeah no the names in those environments the names typically last as long as the checks keep coming and then when the checks stop uh it's time to get it's time to find somebody else or the company doesn't exist anymore or is taken over by another company and we were just talking before we went on air all the names of the san francisco giants ball park in just 21 years the oakland coliseum and i love it when they go through all these corporate names that don't exist and then they go back to it's the oakland coliseum yeah okay great yeah but stanley it's it's a 20-year deal for 700 million dollars 700 million so it's 35 million dollars a year right so obviously that's a record right i mean how how on earth are they going to pay 35 million are they spending 35 million a year to name a place i mean it's guys is is it me or is that ridiculous uh it's you and you're ridiculous i just i i think about um the the deal that i was involved in when the grizzlies moved from vancouver to memphis with a company that's probably going to exist for a while called federal express and actually that deal's coming up in a year or two but that was 125 million over 20 years and here we're talking almost a billion a billion dollars so doesn't it really smell more like crypto.com
is all in to get their brand out there yeah and lord knows whether or not they will exist or not but they are all in marty yeah these these things they have a lot in common with shirt sponsorships you'll see this in the nba and the nhl um the one thing there's only one thing that you can guarantee with a stadium naming rights or a you know a deal for jerseys or whatever and that is brand awareness everything else is is suspect uh so if you're you know moving in that direction and look here's where we are right we're at the advent of legalized sports betting so you've seen a rush to that you now see the normalization i call it of cryptocurrency and the various types and so you know this year in major league baseball ftx which is a crypto uh currency brand yep was the right they were the empires was on the umpires and so it's it's a it's a gold rush at this point so to speak torture the metaphor to get there but again uh as good as the contracts are it will last as long as the checks keep coming and it's not uncommon we've already seen it in the nba where some of the original jersey sponsorships have already turned over well let's talk about la a few years ago i can't remember all the circumstances but remember when state farm put their brand on the stadium in la that never was built yeah they marketed the heck out of that for several years i thought that was the best naming rights deal ever because i don't think any money exchanged hands but all the news reports coming out of la for the stadium or state farm state farm state farm brilliant yeah brilliant and then they slid all that money into spending it with aaron rodgers who has luke's relationship with the truth let's let's talk about aaron rodgers uh has he significantly damaged his brand marty uh you know my initial reaction is yes but because it's aaron rodgers i would equivocate on that because number one he's accumulated so much money in his you know playing career and his endorsement career that i i frankly don't think he really cares if he does another spot or does something else and his brand he's almost like an iconoclast right like he's that guy that goes in the other direction and so he's not swimming with the rest of the crowd and so in that regard i think he might have even enhanced his brand in some respect because look he aligned himself with a specific what i call today the third rail of uh sort of you know healthcare and he's clearly said i'm firmly in this camp so he's put his sponsors in a position you know his healthcare sponsor already had to walk away from him that was not mutual for sure yeah but he's put his other endorsement company state farm and others in a position where the next question from the media is do you agree how do you feel about it how about your employees and so i suspect that he might take a holiday from some of this for a while and perhaps come back at a later time when things have calmed down at least on the health care front well the brand we all know state farm has is they're the good neighbor and do you want a good neighbor that will potentially lie to you as a spokesperson well well stan he may have damaged his reputation now and he may have lost his sponsorship with state farm that could all be true but just look at him okay he is rebranding himself two years ago he was a clean cut no hair out the helmet you know uh you know perfect kind of guy danica patrick and all that look at him now he is purposely rebranding himself i agree with him um right when he's the one i feel the man that told me he was going down a different path you see him at halloween parties brandishing you know a handgun exactly you know that makes sense i think what we're looking at and gary you know pointed it out he didn't say it i'll say it is the bannonization of brands where somebody goes oh yeah you're that way look at me i'm going 180 completely different and i'll monetize it up the kazoo because i got millions of people who want my view not your view right so so so stan just a final point on that um you know it what happened with him and the kovid you know he was immunized or whatever word he used that's yesterday's news already now he's on to something else like andy just pointed out and we'll see the money start flowing to aaron rodgers in a different way pretty soon interesting interesting and i don't think um am i wrong here that he didn't get his degree from cal did he not completely i'm i'm literally i'm not sure just based on the answers that he gave on that that podcast i don't think he has a degree but okay just checking yeah i was mainly just talking about i don't think it's tenable for state farm to stay with him i'm not saying whether his his rebranding of himself won't be successful well maybe he'll go to become the havoc guy because the insurance companies are making a bundle these days if you watch any tv insurance company insurance company insurance company um and the only quality well you know what's quality i mean holy mackerel between all those companies you don't even know who you're being insured by while we're while we're on it and then i do want to definitely get back and talk about baseball because baseball is on the brink of perhaps its first work stoppage in uh 26 years i believe it is but but while we're talking tv all of us have seen probably too many ads for betting concerns at this point in time can we raise our hand if you've seen enough ads offering me offering me a hundred dollars if a team gets one hit in a game or something like that i understand that the concept of what they're doing now is customer acquisition is there a possibility that nobody it just seems staggering that nobody is trying to educate the players on what terms mean what how you bet on sports is that something that will come in a phase two once they have you as a customer or it's never coming how much money was bet on the last super bowl five five billion billion dollars how much money did the mvp of the game get from betting zero zero how much money did any of the team owners in the nfl get from betting of that five billion zero zero so if you just keep going through it i think you're absolutely right um how is the equation i turn to professor conway there how does the equation work that sometime in the future this tremendous waterfall of billions and billions of dollars is going to come back to the people that are playing the game and owning the teams yeah well i think you just saw the nba renew their deal with sport radar and actually to take uh take a three percent interest in the company um and so i think going forward um you're going to see this you know in the future where the leagues and obviously represented by their owners and perhaps even in the players association they're going to demand equity in whatever partnerships that they have because this like we just talked about the sponsorship and the advertising is going to come and go we all remember a few years ago we had the same conversation about fantasy sportsman it was virtually every other ad until the point and so you say what happens until the point somebody in washington raises their hand and says this looks like too much can you come down and talk to us and at that point things begin to change so but i also think that if you look at this this is the you know i use the phrase again the gold rush time this is all about there are probably 10 20 maybe more companies involved right now this is going to narrow down to five six or seven companies there's going to be an incredible amount of consolidation i tell you if you went to the airport in the 1980s to rent a car there were 24 choices you go there now there are five or six and they're owned by the two or three companies that have consolidated them all together and so that's clearly where we're headed whoever has the biggest balance sheet and can last the longest will will be there to acquire but i agree with you i think organizations are now seeing the the flip side of this which is these dangerous boostings where these are virtually guaranteed wins on your first bet you have to retain those winnings if when you do win you have to retain them as site credit and continue you can't even pull your money out until you've better two or three times and and that's where really the danger is is getting people because as we know we all know people who bet sports illegally all of us individually know somebody i've done it on occasion and those people are not moving to legalize gambling because with a with a bookie you can bet on credit you can get better odds there's all sorts of reasons to do it you move to legalize sports betting you've got to pay up front you know what the odds are all those different things you have to claim it let's let's add in that you're going to be unbelievably regulated by any government organization local regional state and national because of this and when i see marty wearing that i i gotta go with stanford to elevate mike gary and stan is that okay that's fine it's fine with me but listen marty what what what you were just describing is the same thing that the that the lead that the legal cannabis industry is seeing you know the legal cannabis industry is regulated they only can accept cash banks can't really deal with them because it's not federally legal yet only statewide legalities so therefore not that i know a lot about it but therefore a lot of people that smoke marijuana are still buying it illegally because they don't have to deal with all that stuff and it's less expensive and it's just as good and so i don't know what this means but i was in las vegas last week talking to the pioneer league owners in minor league baseball and in walking through the casino floor this always i just don't get it the most um people were sitting in front of penny or nickel slots yeah and i'm going like what what can you possibly get out of that killing time killing time i guess yeah and so one last point on that and that is um somebody mentioned the amount new york city new york state just uh legalized thursdays and they've got now got eight or nine companies the the take for new york state for betting in the state is 51 percent that's what the state brings in right so i i don't see long term how you can have too many companies where 51 cents out of every dollar that is going to the state that that's just a recipe for fewer and fewer companies over time who can afford to do that who get to scale large enough and can afford to be able to do that most states are much less than that even even 30 or 40 percent in some places so this is all going to sort itself out and work itself out naturally and organically over the next few years but it's not going to be pretty we're going to be deluged with ads and marketing the manning family just announced the deal with caesar's sports book to be ambassadors like it's the gold rush days and and it's going to last at least another year or two and someone is going to get paid off to effect again i mean it's happened in the history of sports in every sport it's going to happen you know people have sort of forgotten the name tim donaghy but it will show its head again someplace right well we just had a van der kane investigator for that in the nhl so right here in san jose yep it's in present day for sure unbelievable unbelievable we're talking with marty conway professor of sports business at georgetown university and andy dolits who also teach the sports business at stanford university i'm just an instructor stan i'm just an instructor i'm i'm trying to build you up and you're building yourself down it's very self-deprecating let's uh let's talk about this baseball situation right now uh i'm really kind of scratching my head noah syndergaard has pitched two innings over 2020 and 2021. he just got 21 million dollars to pitch for one year for the los angeles angels which probably curses him for the rest of his career but just about in the last hour it's been announced that justin verlander thanks to marty conway letting me know has signed a one-year deal to go back to the houston astros for 25 million dollars um just what is this work stoppage going to be about come december 2nd if we in fact have it andy well as we've talked about many times the fluid that flows through the veins of sports is green uh the color and it will be a tug of billions or millions between labor and management which has always shown itself over decades as to who gets what and you know what have we talked about here right from the get-go all forms of money and you know 700 million for naming rights 20 11 and a half million dollars a win is that what noah's number is um or oh mike trout uh yeah what are you being paid 350 million dollars the numbers seem silly but somebody's paying them so i just think it's uh we think it's a little out of balance so we need to get more back and we don't want you to get as much but that is insane because you'll always have owners who will give players whatever they want because they can afford it marty yeah well if you look um so a couple interesting things uh 14 players were offered the uh qualifying offer 18.5 13 of those 14 rejected it including verlander and cinegard who both were guaranteed 18.5 million but rejected
that and got more um i think only one player from the giants uh accepted his uh brandon belt brandon belt john yeah and i'm nominating buster posey for a nobel peace prize because he walked away from i think 28 or 30. yeah i'm fine i'm done exactly i'm good tonight but the point is i think you're seeing something interesting here you're seeing players uh eduardo rodriguez and barrios and others signed during this period right which we i think we all many of us thought okay once this world series is over there'll be a lock box sort of a freeze but i think what the players and agents have recognized is last time we had a situation like this we did get a new cba but we had this incredibly condensed free agent period right prior to spring training and money went to certain players and certain players were left out at the end and get as much and so this time both players and owners feel so confident in their ability to have a new deal struck in a month or two or whatever it's going to be that they're almost operating as a business as usual it's like the i say this the business of baseball both for the owners and now the players they are awash in money they feel so confident that they're not holding back prior to a new contract i don't think we've ever seen this before those of you watched baseball business for a long time we used to see this almost perp walk to the contract end and then a lockout and to do it so i don't know what's going to happen for me it's quite simple there they are awash in so much money that that meeting on december 1st or november 30th whatever they're going to meet should be as simple as this it should be as simple as going down to the dollar family auto mall where they have vws and toyotas and fords and mazdas and say i'm just going to sign and drive because i know i'm going to get a good deal i'll trade you the dh in one league for another round of playoffs and i'll trade you this for that and let's get it done because both sides feel incredibly confident and that is why he is a professor because he has that gray matter and i would just pause it i think that's a word you know look at major league baseball making a decision to whack 40 minor league teams the money was mouse meat there's no reason they needed to do that but they did so even though marty is incredibly logical will both parties see it that way that's what i was going to say as opposed to injecting them with a new strain of covid when they should be celebrating coming out uh and looking at a new season before i turn it over to gary to ask a couple questions along these lines let me just finish with one one thought here is um this this this potential for a work stoppage there's nothing in the the end of a basic agreement that calls upon either side to either declare a strike or a lockout right but there's talk that as of 1201 on december 2nd 1201 a.m the owners will lock out the baseball players the mlb players and thereby put a freeze on all the off-season maneuverings why is that necessary for the owners to do that marty well first of all once i get to that point you can only have a strike if you have an agreement in place so this would be entirely on the owners in terms of a lockout but it really comes down to not having your work rules in place and i think that as much it's not so much to keep players from not working out or not being at facilities or all those types of things it's about not having the basic work rules in place to know what you can and can't do and so they essentially have to restrain their own side the owners themselves from engaging in business as usual now again i agree with andy i think there's such a lack of common sense i don't have any confidence that they'll strike an agreement in december in fact i think it's entirely possible that they might see their way to delay the kind of lockout and maybe they push that down the road they say we're making progress at the table we don't need to have a lockout in december but there is a date we all know the deadlines spur action and so there will be a date i don't know if it'll be in december or february where they're going to have to draw the line and say we don't have this deal by then just like the covid season where rob manfred said we got to know by this date or else we're not moving forward so who are you locking out you're locking out the fans those are the last people and you're going to walk out that you want to lock out you're not locking the player out of his new lamborghini you're not clocking the owner out of his g7 you're not locking somebody else out of their gated community you're locking out the fans emotion and caring about baseball when it started to come back and we saw a lot and gone yeah yeah we're fine you don't have to see our sport well and andy not not only that but you're not even locking the baseball players out of playing a game because games don't even start until february for spring training right in april for baseball but but andy and and marty that was going to be my point is i mean let's take a look at the landscape of baseball over the last couple seasons and see if this this uh strike or lockout or whatever the news that it would dominate over the next couple of months even makes sense i mean you've got a 2020 coveted season which was ridiculous and nobody cares about it and i defy you to even tell me who the world series champion was that year i know you los angeles dodgers okay but most people can't because they didn't even watch it okay that's number one number two marty i think it was you before or somebody before said there were six teams this year that he didn't even draw a million fans andy i mean that last time that probably happened was the 1960s which oh by the way was 60 years ago okay and and so i mean let's take a look at the landscape here for a minute you know i mean but fans are going to be looking at this and they're going to be going what wait really ridiculous are you kidding me we don't even care about your game and you guys are bickering over this stuff i mean it's i just don't understand if when you talk about timing this is just ridiculous timing for something like this to happen for a sport that is i wouldn't say it's dying scott boris made a great point last week and of course you know he gets everybody riled up but when you have any league or any business where the bottom falls further away from the top especially in a competitive entity like pro sports you're screwed so my oakland a's right there drew 700 000 people the dodgers drew 2.8 million which would be you know six or seven hundred thousand less than they'd normally but close to three million and others under a million that talks about a scary point that the bottom is moving closer to the further abyss and the top they don't care and that's horrible for any business especially a competitive business like pro sports yeah and the players and and boris is right the players are in the middle of it because you've seen the average salary decline over the last three or four years it was over four million it's three and a half or something like that you're also seeing players after the age of 28 29 have a hard time getting anything more than a one-year deal play you know the analytics uh a crowd has brought in the idea that we can have all these different bullpen pictures and all that so i i do think but but on the other hand let me just say there is another hand they have renewed all their tv deals for excess 30 40 70 increases they've gotten sponsorship deals they've gotten sports betting deals like the business itself is well over 10 billion dollars right now and but again as gary has said and andy has said the people that are watching this are fans the owners and players aren't watching this they have their own separate conversations in those rooms and the fans are having conversations by saying we're not coming in baltimore we're not coming in pittsburgh we're not coming in oakland you know we're happy to do something else and back to what we talked about even before we got on this event job one for somebody a major league baseball whether it's rob manford or his chief marketing officer is to get people into seats in those stadiums forget forget international games forget some of these other things job one is to get those people into that stadium in some sort of ticketing situation and i am shocked continually shocked that they don't see that as their priority number one and uh i i think that they end up where they are that's what they frankly deserve i couldn't agree more with you marty on that that that's job one go ahead uh gary stan so let me yeah so let me ask marty a question on that so if that's the case marty okay and you've got to get fans in seats you especially have to try to get fans and seats in those six or seven places that are getting less than a million people right the orioles have been basically the laughing stock of the league for the last four years they're not getting any better maybe they will with their young guys i don't know but they keep picking first in the draft okay they don't spend any money okay it is there in these conversations that the players and owners are having or will have some kind of salary floor that teams have to abide by and this tanking concept uh i mean can you just pick number one forever i mean are are are those issues being addressed at all no but i'm sure they're part of the conversation i think there's discussion about somewhere both sides as i understand it not to interrupt you marty but both sides are in agreement that the notion that somebody could pick first for more than two years in a row is going to end now okay good my favorite owner in major league baseball is john fisher who comes from the gap fortune he's estimated at about three billion dollars um we've talked about this before in terms of a new ballpark and we'll put that aside but he constantly says through others i don't have the money so there goes marcus simeon who can play as well as anybody who is local in oakland oh bob melvin maybe one of the most underappreciated managers in baseball see ya go to san diego and i don't even need to get any compensation olson and chapman olson and chapman are next they were in the pennant race until three or four weeks before the end of this season and to your point gary i'm a fan of seven hundred thousand what am i gonna do for this coming season when all of my guys are gone i'm not coming i'm not running no who's next don't take me out back back to that point like i was saying was if you look at from a marketing standpoint um you know what baseball has done is they've essentially franchised out not only the operations of a team but they franchised out the marketing and they've essentially said you do it in baltimore the way you want to do it you do it in san francisco the way you want to do it you do it miami the way you want to do it and quite honestly it's not working because they're doing it so you don't see you're right you don't see chick-fil-a or taco bell or anybody else say you know what no that guy in baltimore he should just do his own marketing you don't do that like you actually generate traffic into those locations so that those operators can then say fantastic this is helping us cultivate a new a new fan base and so i i don't i have never understood the outsourcing to various franchises of the game because you've seen what's happened so andy's point not only are the orioles not drawing but they've taken a minor league affiliate out of frederick in what in what world does that make sense right to say you can come see next year's orioles or two years orioles here now i know you can go to bowie and you can go to aberdeen but there was nothing wrong with going to frederick and seeing it as well so i i do i don't i i understand that you know i i talked about bannonization if that's a word but now i look at the subway litmus test in the subway commercials charles barkley steph curry serena williams megan brady eno tom brady marshawn march marshall sean lynch what sport is missing in the subway commercials yeah baseball and so i'll give you an example of how what what sport addressed that golf recognized that they had this sort of problem they actually put inside 40 million dollars for the top 10 players socially and they divided that money four million dollars a person so justin thomas and others the more active they are on social media the higher rank they get that again golf recognized we are losing here on the margins and so we need to reward our stars for being more engaged that's a perfect example baseball is awash in money to say here's a hundred million dollar fund we're going to actually put these players out into chevrolets and subways and things like that we're going to reward them to do that because we know the return to say that shohei ohtani isn't all over united states this year i mean to me it was crazy to say he's coming to baltimore for two or three games and major league baseball is not running ad campaigns socially digitally and on tv to say come see shohei itani right if i'm the marketing director for the orioles i'm not getting upset about that i want them to come see my team but i want them to come japanese population of bay area is very significant very significant the a's when shohai shohei came here there was not to marty's point there was not one radio ad not one tv spot not one outdoor advertising about that come on you don't have to be as smart as marty conway with one of the greatest marketing minds in baseball to figure that out let me get back to to marty's point that the game and it i posed this question and andy you answered it earlier as to what both sides are trying to accomplish here if the if the game is a washing money who is trying to win the battle and the battle is just over over what i don't i don't think the average fan can understand that at all i get the fact that what marty was talking about 10 minutes ago that there's a squeeze on players both at the beginning of their careers allowing them freedom and then shortening their their life span by squeezing them at the end but other than that i don't understand what the owners are really trying to accomplish more of that is that what it is marty well i think this is the tug of war and i think if you you know in any tug of war you had that rope yeah that ribbon in the middle and for the last two or three cbas that that ribbon has been on the owner's side owner's side no good after decades of it being on the player's side right un unrivaled free agency all of that the owners slow tony clark really got his hat handed to him in the last the last year and bud selig is that kind of guy he is he's a schemer behind the scenes he he dialed every dial that he could to be able to do that and i think the players want to bring that ribbon back towards the middle and i think the owners are going to say okay we can talk about that but we want another round of playoffs we want some other things that give them more certainty around their cost basis going forward because if they get that then they can go off to the races with marketing opportunities because every dollar they keep over 50 they get to keep you know themselves so again these are not these are not the days of free agency and other big issues that that fans could recognize these are truly inside baseball issues with the exception maybe the playoffs and the designated hitter for the most part everything else about service time or anything else is is strictly an inside game and frankly i i don't if i was on their side if i was a and on the owner's negotiating team i'd say hey we're not even going to talk about that for the public like they don't even really need to understand that that's the sausage making and it doesn't help us in real business money can always be negotiated those people that do big deals they know that money can always be negotiated as marty said it's those terms who's got control who's giving up but what's happening here to me is that these two parties labor and management are killing the heart and soul of their sport which is the fan fans and if you look at the nba you look at football powering through covet you look at mls and franchises that are drawing more people than a lot of baseball franchises and glowing yeah and having incredible activity if you just sit there like boxing and horse racing and go hey we're going to be in this position forever the point of history is no you're not right so this is a this is to me this is a very very difficult and dangerous time for baseball even though the money might be there the hearts and minds and souls of people um i i think there's not so much yeah gary go ahead i know you yeah so just re real quick to andy's point in anecdote to kind of prove your point andy my son just moved a couple months ago from chicago to dc and he lives in the navy yard section where the stadiums are right i'm talking not only about nationals park but also about audi which right which is the home of the mls team there he is so but the point i'm making is he tells me that although the nationals draw pretty well okay he tells me that there's a greater buzz around the navy yard neighborhood when the dc united is home as opposed to the nationals it's a younger more vibrant crowd that enjoys the evening both before and after and it's really an event and it's interesting you mentioned that about some mls teams outdrawing major league teams if that's not the case in dc the nationals do outdraw but the vibe is much more alive and different it'd be more woke as they say be more woke no question about it one last question guys tonight on our sports uh sports business uh symposium um 1999 the pittsburgh penguins were almost uh inst insolvent right and uh extinct and they were probably going to be uh relocated along came mario lemieux long-time player star player and he put together a group that bought the team for i think 107 million dollars that's right came out yesterday that the fenway fenway sports group uh headed by john henry and the folks in boston are very close to an 850 to 900 million dollar purchase of the penguins and they own currently they own the boston red sox liverpool do you have a liverpool hat they don't know seattle kraken they don't own the kraken do they no but look at the crack and people didn't even know what it is the kraken is a great name by the way the capitals will be playing tonight against the kings but sunday night they're playing in seattle against kraken yeah against the kraken unlike detroit uh red wings i hope people don't throw kraken on the ice that's how about if they threw crack on the ice no okay let's okay let's not go but the fenway sports group owns the red sox liverpool of england's premier league the rouse fenway racing of nascar they own fenway park and many other real estate fields lebron james is part of them uh these prices on these franchises uh that's a pretty amazing hey let's talk about that next time we're together okay sort of industrialization of sports right i mean you have elevate you have legends you have fenway sports group wouldn't that be a good topic i mean that would be a great topic can we also talk about the new usfl starting up in the spring did you guys see that again how many how many times do we have to go through this again how many times will we have to see that there's no there's no there's no history of any commercially viable football in a professional level with the with the with the exception of the nfl of course and look if you look at north america it's only the nfl or whatever and exactly right he's in trouble we're not competing with the nfl we have nothing to do with the nf guys you've raised the level of this up uh it's off the charts i'm gonna have to get more hats you know i was listening to gary talk about the vibe and what i was thinking of was the word you used the bannonization yeah of of something that's what the bannonization of sports is it's the young vibe that people are trying to catch this energy yeah well you could look at just you know stadium construction all these private suites are are moving away so that groups of 60 or 80 the posse everybody can be in there and they can be on their phones and go hey come up to the party deck or the or this lounge that's what's happening that's what's happening and andy those facilities are amazing right because essentially the fan the people that are in them have their backs to the game yeah perfectly comfortable paying 65 a night to have their back to the game so they can talk to their buddies and when maybe something happens they'll turn around look over there maybe five times they'll be in but they're happy to do that they'll be when we phone trying to bet cryptocurrency when we when we built oreo park at camden yards we obsessed about every seat facing the diamond and centering on the pit on the pitching rubber and all this sort of stuff and now every renovation says you guys were 180 degrees wrong you should have all the seats facing out to do that and and so i don't know where that's going to go if people want that to happen but um to stan's point about about somebody from boston coming into buying a team in pittsburgh whether mario lemieux stays or not that that is almost heresy and most spirits that would be like somebody from new york coming and buying a team in philadelphia and saying hey i'm just here for the deal it's like i can imagine people in pittsburgh where all of the teams wear black and yellow like they have their own little enclave in pittsburgh to now say our principal majority owner is going to be somebody that owns the red sox oh my goodness how is that good for us right guys i really appreciate the time uh it's always a pleasure to talk sports with you well really really good i really do think the industrialization of sport and if you want to learn something go to the stanford continuing studies guide because i'm teaching high performing teams lessons from the sports world about just what we were talking about it starts in january all right or could we take it can we take it from long distance you can take it from any corner of the globe whoa gary and i might sign up together i'll call on you and give you the stanford internal discount you'll give me the rogers ring i'll give you the david rubenstein rate stamp right right hey last quest real quick just a quick thing uh marty will baseball start will spring training start on time and will the game start when they were scheduled to start um i think the answer is yes uh i'm i'm generally pessimistic about those things but i think there's too much money on both sides to to delay that further those days i think are over of a of a huge lockout strike type situation andy i'm agreeing with my colleague that you can't be that stupid stupid yeah right india as john mcenroe would say in the subway or in the well i don't know he's he's with serena like you can't serious andy i just realized you've got two ace caps over there uh yeah well they paid me the most money over the longest period okay gary you think there'll be baseball when it's supposed to be i agree i think they they can't be that stupid can they stand um i'm not so sure but we'll find out stay tuned hey guys thanks so thanks a lot for doing this you and i are going to take off next wednesday because of thanksgiving holiday we're back with a couple interesting shows after that the next time that that you uh months from now that you have us back on i'll wear a sweatshirt and i'll send marty some hats so we'll perfect i like that idea i like that idea uh we've got an interesting we've got an interesting show coming up december the 2nd which is thursday night i couldn't get coach k to agree to come on but his assistant a.d sid john jackson will talk about what a phenomenal ride it's been for coach k at duke and uh just what this last season is going to be like uh watching that duke university team or terry stein marty conway and andy bulwich i thank you for tuning in and we'll see you down there guys happy happy thanksgiving all of you happy happy
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