How much are sperm donors paid in Kenya?

[Music] i may seem very calm inside but deep inside my imagination is running wild with questions like do we have a spam bank in kenya my name is dr khingori and i have some very burning questions please join me in looking for the answers i know you must think what kind of a person thinks of or even comes up with such a question for free not really let's drop the honeyed and dao attitude this question is purely a drawn from innocent curiosity or maybe it's inspired by some of the philosophical questions i get from my baby girl hey how much do you think you tell me honestly everybody deserves to feel the joy a child brings of course i look at my daughter as herself but sometimes i marvel at the idea of where she would have been before like before that you've got to appreciate life differently especially when you look at human beings as former sperms when you look around all these ladies and gentlemen are they that hatched is it just me who thinks like that like what do my friends think of the idea of a spam bank okay cinebunk to your spams [Music] yeah i think whatever i know about a sperm bank no it's called movie oh yes i've heard of a spam bank before courtesy of what i do never seen never been to where this happens but yes i think i have an idea of what a sperm bank is all about oh ouch [Laughter] it's a very wide phenomena figuratively and literally tell you what a simple google search of a spam bank in kenya leads to very attractive results that catch attention right away they have you with suggestions like how much is a sperm donor paid in kenya hi um if it's the act alone one day you're having fun so whatever amount of people are dissem professional fees there are some variables there that i need to know first of all how do they measure do they measure by you know milliliters how do they determine the quality because i also want to know what's the quality of my spam [Laughter] quality and we so i guess that's something that i'll have to determine first neanderthal what's the quality of my sperm my friend amita freya are you i feel like i've just discovered a new line of work that allows you to mix business with pleasure like this feels like i have just opened the pandora's box of wealth declaration i mean could this be why some of the richest men in kenya cannot explain the source of their wealth man or maybe this is why having a lot of money is called bowling now one of the results for a spam bank in kenya is the nairobi ivf center guys it looks promising i don't see the title spam bank there it's ivf hey when you googled uh you are not guided in the wrong way yes because nairobi ivf center is the fa was the first ivf center in eastern central africa yes therefore his the direction is correct ivf center is where you take an egg ivf is where you take an egg and you take a sperm fix it in a outside the body and then return into the body within five days and the embryo egg and sperm mix it in a testy tube and then return the embryo there's a process of mixing yes like coffee not like coffee mixing it meaning the embryologists will do their work and then in that process an embryo will result will will result from that an embryo is um [Music] is is not you see as as a sperm is not a baby the egg is not a baby so when they come back when they combine the sperm will fertilize the egg and that fertilized egg is called an embryo thank you yes so the process we uh i'm sure i'll check uh the process uh do you find i'm sure you've also been part of the process like when you put a spam and an egg is it automatic that the spam will go into the egg or some sperms have to be pushed like do you find sperm that don't feel like there are so many spams i don't feel like they don't feel like and that is why we have a process called icc whereby a sperm is directly injected into an egg forced into an egg yes but if it doesn't feel like there's no way there's this no there's no way as farm when it's being injected direct injection it's called intra cytoplasmic injection direct injection of a sperm an individual one sperm one egg singled out yes that's a spam that did not even erase the it doesn't it does not it does not need to and that's the process is supposed to make a it's a scientific pro process if the natural way that a sperm is supposed to race is defeated or is not coming forth then therefore you use the scientific way to make everything easier and comfortable you sure that's not how we resolve we end up with lazy people like seriously because uh there is a reason why the spam i think you don't have to choose like the most active the most strong like to go through the process you see when they are doing sperm wash and sperm selection the embryologist has already chosen the right sperm for that procedure they vote for the sperms they it's like an election of sperms to choose the representative let us say the yeah but you see that the egg that the sperm will be picked the sperm will be picked the good sperm because during the wash and preparation that the abnormal sperm will be deleted out and the lazy ones will not there for function so they'll have good sperm for for use is indeed too much power for you to be here on the microscope and identify one sperm among the millions and say it is you that is going to be a human being so in fact when you meet this person later in life do you know i could have chosen the sperm next to you no i believe would you blame yourself if someone turned out to be let's say a gangster and then you're like oh lord i chose the wrong sperm no no actually uh it's it's not me who's choosing it's a it's a god who's choosing you know imagine you know what are the odds like they are these millions choose this one becomes a president and then choose this other one becomes a terrorist as in when you think about it from that perspective and you're like oh lord if i just moved the needle one inch because you could probably even remember how they are playing here okay you know that doesn't that doesn't apply you know you know when once i once fertilization is occurred that's a person with free will oh i'm forgetting to blame the egg yes you know it's a person with a free will he will choose whatever he wants you know once mom cannot make a president it's also the other half of the egg which also has to make a president so you have to choose your your eggs wisely so it's now not being me me being just a vessel of god and being used this one will be a dancer this one will be this it's not my choice what's the process of obtaining the spam from them it's just masturbation i don't think there's any other way man a monkey has to be choked there's a process of preparing the the sperm donor part of the information that is given to the donor is also how to remove the sperm the sample so we will tell them how to to to do it in terms of we're not not teaching them but it's something we need please produce a sample of of spam but we tell them that the first ejaculation has to go inside there the donors who overdo it like why do you need to insist on the first one first ejaculation the the first drops include the that's what contains the sperm the rest of the the the sample is a similar plasma which is just adding more volume so the second round is noticed no not drowned i'm not talking about round the first drop the first drop the first drops that come out does i have to enter that sample the the the the tube if you miss it then the other after two seconds those that come later contains just fluid because the point is to get the good concentration of the sample okay and again maybe uh off-topic double if you can please help for the professional donors who may not come here the donors who practice for themselves what kind of products should they look for in a supermarket what do i mean milking jelly it's affecting farmers out there the product that they should use they should not use a petroleum-based lubricant they should go water-based water-based lubricants yeah because the petroleum-based lubricants me i think they see me it has detrimental effects on their on their on their skins so basically they have to be seen as briefly are they guided through a way to repent after that if they are strong christians what is the definition of a sinner how do they how do you look at somebody and see see the the son of david who they quote for obtaining sperms without a woman somewhere in the bible i don't remember the page you see we do this sperm donation is in the bible there is even a certain man who was punished by god for he was instructed to that that is the guy that is the guy he is he the same guy yes my guy my mind now that's the same guy the guy who god told to um yes to have some relation with a woman so that they could decide yes that you see a spam destination issue is in the bible and god himself struck that man dead because he was having fun instead of having an assignment donors don't have fun donors i don't know how to describe fun when it comes to to spam the nation but i know they purely come here to assist someone who is in dire need in terms of identification of donors i was told that by robin actually but university students are the best candidates for donations because apparently for intelligence do you factor in the fact that some people copy their way to university copy their way yeah copy exams in kcsc they pass and then one in gear campus you know affiliate their campus material and then you give your client a baby who's supposed to be um let me not give a baby was not meant for campus a baby who does not have the intelligence level uh that a campus student is assumed to have do you factor that in okay for me there from the experience we have here for from a man perspective let's say you are a couple you have come here you you want to have a a and your registration is you have to have a spam donor it's a it's very for the man it's very hard to choose to choose the the the sperm donor yourself you know you're a man going to choose it's very hard so they usually most of them they remove themselves from the processor so now it becomes the woman who now who now chooses the sperm donor and when it comes to women to choose now the sperm donor education sometimes is not the factor so now people will tend now to choose how someone looks because somehow someone looks education may may come depending on maybe their status because most also if you think about it is infertility affects wide spectrum so you'll find that most people who come here even with 50 60 percent are not rich you know so their background is not from the education perspective yeah so now when they come in education of the main factor yeah you actually brought a very interesting point like women care about how the donor looks do you see a scenario whereby someone is at the reception a client is at the reception and then they see someone getting into the spam room saying i want that one i want that one do you have such a case like hey is that done then why don't you even how why do you have to go through the whole process and you see they can just have sex now that is a very complicated it's how we tease uh we see we are we have to we are ethical and also in our side we also we are christians so we cannot tolerate like doing it like that you see as we believe you cannot donate biologically you have to go through the machine we cannot participate in a moral act that's what i would say if someone says i don't understand what they're doing and they want to go have sex they don't you see we for us participating in that would be immoral you don't give people what they want okay you see now the thing is donors coming to these anonymous means you don't know the donor and then there is a non-donor so when a client will come to the clinic they will they can never know was what business is there cleaning care but but if they want a donor you have a profile where you have let's say right now we have around 300 sperm donors so each donor has a booklet where now it describes their profile whether it's education a picture of them the health status and such kind of thing so the patient will or the clients will have a way of now choosing their donors who they don't know through the information we give them per file yeah so they will never really know who's who comes to do what business yeah but you may find that clients will will prefer now and meet some particular group of people donna you'll find that he's preferred [Laughter] do you know what that would do to someone selfish [Laughter] yeah so you find that for example most clients will go for the donor who's maybe their tribe the first thing then then they now go to embryos have tribes now the spam talk about spam yeah the spam donor has a tribe so now they will go first maybe for the ethnicity then next thing now they go to to to to now maybe features for education yeah tribalism starts from the end it starts from the area i have also learned a great deal of information on how surrogacy works from the only lawyer practicing in that field in this country presently what are the terms of surrogacy motherhood in kenya like how much does a surrogate mother get say legally according to the circles how much does our surrogate mother get how many times can one be a surrogate mother okay first i'll start with the recruitment of surrogates so that i get to how many times one can be you must be 25 years and above you so you see it's already limiting you've edged out eighteen to twenty fourteen twenty seven it's nowhere near turkey here i left enough psychologically i don't think they're mentally prepared to do all that you know because those surrogates also go through psychological analysis you're blocking us biologically yes okay you must have a child a living child who ideally should be 23 years and above soccer morning 25 no yes blocked out must be tried and tested exactly you must be working because you're coming to curry for someone else whose womb is not working so clearly we can't just put you through a process which we couldn't uh you must be medically cleared the hiv testing killer ketu etc etc we must have a criminal clearance for you uh so you bring this criminal clearance what's the relationship now your blood you're done with it i'm talking the blood but not genetically related to these people you're not related to these people what happens if you run away with the child you may be feeding the child with the proceeds of christ exactly you know so we just i and i think also it it's it's for the ease of mind of the parents so the idea the one that i want to really point out is the 25 years yes and having a child ideally we prefer someone who has a child that is three years and above so you see that one already cancels out a lot of people so how many times can you be a surrogate and and we want the target to be between 25 to 40 years because once you get to 40 years ideally it's up to 35 years because you know after 35 years of pregnancy is just problematic right 25 to 40 right after the sinning period right before your life begins again so you see between 25 to 35 which is the ideal age it's just 10 years so you've cancelled out a lot of people once you're 35 years yes you can be a surrogate after 35 years but the chances of having a problematic pregnancy increase so that is what we are trying to level up because you don't want to put a woman through a pregnancy process and then she gets complications later and you know and maternal edge shafika 35 so how many times can you be a surrogate we advise twice why twice because once you give birth the first time you're supposed to stay if it's a natural or bad you stay at least one year before you can be a surrogate again if it's a cesarean section at least two years before you can be a surrogate again and we do not want this to be a commercial enterprise where women are just out there waiting to get pregnant and get money so kazia autonomy after everyone here on azaw another and it also takes a toll on your body because most of the time these girls will not come until they've given birth to only one child you see maybe they already have two children some have three children they're like 32 kizer of kwanzaa la fugazu is it you can't just keep giving birth and giving out and maybe you want to get married have your own kids you also have to weigh in those factors secondly a bath processor so a surrogate mom is someone who's probably in a relationship you have a husband you offer yourself as a surrogate if your husband wants to get another child he has to join the queue wait for his turn yes but that is that is the that is that is what we understand by yes it is true that is two years but most of the time the surrogate mothers are single mothers two advantages number one for couples in a long distance relationship can you send your eggs from america so that your wife that has your own child like only me to my eye in a dhl yeah so it's so it's very easy this is that people can't travel like what the coffee does there you can travel to kenya and so australia so you remove your spam in the u.s they pack it in the storage they fly it here the wife is is here in kenya and they are able to do the whole process of ivf and get a check although prosper must produce them in america what do they do what do they label it as a human it is labeled as humans it's very easy you know the thing is with this uh this relationship between always the their laws that they'll govern their countries up so this is a clinic we can write to another clinic and tell them there's a client of ours who's coming that must can you help them they do help him and they they're able to remove the spam there and it's there they pay their services that are needed the clinic sends that sample to directly to our clinic what's the nationality of that baby who was i'm abandoned again what's the national yeah that's immigration stuff but although we have uh uh in our center we have an expert that governs the ethics those those and she can guide you on that from a legal perspective someone who wants to have a child without a man or a man who wants a child without a woman is it possible yeah i believe it's possible but is it legal if not why okay in this process usually a lot of processes it's to the advantage of a man a lot of societal processes it's always an advantages to man but in infertility treatment the primary patient is usually a woman legally most of the time medically most of the time so it is very easy for a woman to have a child without a man basically because she provides the egg most of the time and most importantly she provides the womb you see if it's a man you have to start looking for an egg start looking for a womb and there's so many legal challenges that come into play because if you have to look for a womb that means surrogacy and there are issues where you cannot there are conditions which mandate you to have a surrogacy program you can't just go and do pro-surrogacy because you're a man and you want to go and proceed but for a woman it will be easy even if it is surrogacy if she provides her own egg so all you need to do is just get a spam donor and carry your baby and conceive as natural as possible this is your child my name is so many conditions to to come into effect so it becomes a little bit complicated even in the adoption processes you always find that it's easier for a woman to do adoption say than for a man it it it brings in a lot of challenges so for the woman to have a baby without a man absolutely possible one hundred percent for a for a man to have a child without a woman a lot of challenges like i donate my spam i get an egg donor and then i contract a surrogate you see cesaro it's because when we get to the surrogacy bit that we are getting into you realize for a person to have a surrogacy program there must be a condition a medical condition that necessitates that and the medical condition must come from the woman because now she cannot use a womb because you're going to use someone else's womb okay so you see this man does not have a womb being said being scared of being scared of giving birth or having a hot figure like me i do not want to grow fat is not a medical condition you must have a medical condition that necessitates you to acquire another human being as fast psychological problems this is where the lord draws the line being scared does not count being scared does not count let's say for example you are in your youth you don't want to have a child at 22 right as a woman you can store your egg to have your baby at 33 34 35 or 40. what's the name what do you call that like that's egg freezing so it makes a lot of sense because you see the biggest challenge in in in in women is age of the eggs because the women are born with the eggs yes and men their sperm is generated continuously so for the women it's it makes sense you you store your eggs when between age of 20 to 35 that is where you are most of your eggs are fertile so you store your eggs at that time yeah then now you can have your career if you want if you if you want whatever you want to do you do yeah your social life you do it then after that when you are ready to have a partner and have a baby yeah then now you it makes sense to use eggs that are viable that have high success rates and use it to make to to have a baby it makes much and that that that also offers a couple the chance to have a child when a partner has passed on like let's say a husband uh who has her his wife uh wife's eggs stored can come to the clinic and then have the fertilization process and have all the vice versa so okay can you imagine that those those are the complexities that that are in this thing you see like right now the only challenge in this thing that you like the question you've asked us there's no regulation you see so now it comes now like that's something that has never happened like happened in this center a dead a pass of husband using their husbands uh their wife's vice versa so those are things that come up and you see those laws and regulations are not available yeah so a case like that like in our case we just have to reply to our our internal er is there so that now we can he can she can dig into that complexity see what's ethical but on my own opinion i think that's something that is very very wonderful if you see there's some things that sort of are beyond our control like death but you can do continuity of life you have an uh um you have eggs stored or sperm stored one of the the partners dies they wanna so you if you can make a child out of that it it really makes good sense also there's no way you can miss the contrast between the spam room of course for men and the egg room where women undergo the fertilization procedure we are talking high-tech equipment a specialist the sperm room on the other hand is very simple just a bed and the rest is left to your imagination narasta's according [Music] guys i'm coming i have seen your equipment and that's one area i was like hey our god is a god of wonders because the kind of equipment needed to store a sperm compared to uh what god did like the contrast of the equipment that you need everything all the nitrogen meaning whereas god only needs a sack of meat that i don't even think uh a lot of attention was paid in the design in camaraderie i don't think he paid he invested so much time uh in the spam story the natural spam storage uh system so here's where we store our embryos and spam this side is for sponge yes and this uh left side is for embryos spam and embryos yes like no eggs like these are fertilized eggs these are these are spam yes okay so with the eggs we also put them as embryos so this is just spam and this is a as i said all sights and embryos so god forbid if something happened and then like an earthquake and then these bottles shaking to each other there's a whole generation of human beings in this room there are 50 000 at least human beings in this room so if something happens we have lost 50 000 babies now let's look at the bottle as half food if an earthquake happens we have 50 000 human beings in this room we have 50 000 human beings more than 50 000 and 50 000 in one state in the embryo state for how long can you store them so with liquid nitrogen you can throw them for eternity they can stay for millenniums millions of years for eternity uh this big as long as your fee the optimum conditions of whereby nitrogen is is there they can stay as for long as possible so an embryo here can be picked in the year 3100 fertilized and then it becomes a person who was conceived in this millennium and then they are born or they are made into a human being a thousand years to come that's possible that is very much possible yes even the sperms the same they can stay for eternity and that's why we need a lot of uh laws to help us with uh with um storage in terms of how long can you stay with uh with an embryo okay uh because this is life and uh we want to make sure that it's preserved and it is not stored it's passed to another generation because a lot of people are in demand are in need of this of this embryos yes this through donor embryo program but the price is uh a bit high but it can we we work out to be make sure that we have the best price but if this one of the best options is if we can find a way of having low prices to transfer this a lot of patients can benefit yes yes yes yes so like in the world somehow started from the bottom these are people who can talk about starting from nitrogen starting from the bottom literally starting from negative 96. 196 degrees negative 196 degrees celsius this is as cold as space 1 degrees celsius so happened in the kingdom corner so up underneath yeah in nitrogen tank this is a nitrogen tank inside is liquid nitrogen okay and inside our embryos each is a this is called a cane each each cane holds several uh embryos okay and uh as you can see these are several for each cane has several embryos so this can hold maybe 40. yes and um you can see this as a thousand embryos yes it is so if you put a this is a sixty thousand six six thousand embryos so if you calculate maybe there are ten those are as many embryos out there and the marvel of life is that the difference between me and you and an embryo is time yes wow you want to show us something this is liquid nitrogen can you this is liquid nitrogen yes it's liquid yes if you hold it for too long your fingers too long they'll freeze like freeze freeze freezer uh it will freeze uh i can show you a demonstration yes please so this is a liquid nicotine this is my glove it's um elastic if i put it inside here then it's a [Music] solid just like that now so um and also that's a rubber glove this is a rubber glove the sun is solid and i'll also show you something again if i put this other the glove these are this an embryo sometimes yes you put it inside the nitrogen it's uh it becomes frozen in time yes as i said it can stay for millions of years yes then [Music] when you remove it from nitrogen and leave it to warm yes it should go back to its form there is a being elastic wow wow wow wow you said uh negative 196 degrees yes now i understand the joke scanners make about buried in our table the beauty of my quest about a spam bank is that it has led me through a series of new information in the world of fertility i've even gotten to meet one of africa's top gynecologists how do you describe what you do it's a terminology thing for me a passion you have a passion for making babies or a passion for looking for babies i have a passion for helping those who are looking for babies those who have been trying to get baby and it's taken too long and they are not getting baby and it looks like they are not going to that they are not going to get baby then these are the people who really want to help how do you know it's time to seek professional help in the context of a couple this is a couple who are living together yes and they would like to have a baby and they are doing all that they can to have a baby naturally and this has not happened for a period of about one year they definitely get concerned that something is not happening so most of them come to see us when they have stayed together for at least one year without having a pregnancy what was the standard measure of knowing that it has backfired like let's say for example you're on the third man i believe most people would like to be cons will be concerned around that time because i think the pressure from the in-laws start like two weeks before the wedding so how do you know it has backfired usually by the sixth month most couples know something is not working yeah but we always encourage them to be a bit patient because it could still work maybe up to the end of the one year so at the end of one year if it has not happened then we know it may not be happening something may not be working and that's the interesting thing about fertility there are people who even get children without trying as in um oops you have a baby and then uh there are people who you keep doing everything right but still there's no baby is there a science for the delay uh why someone would get a child after the one year someone would get a child in the first month yeah those people who get baby in the first month it means that their fertility is normal actually should be yeah but that could could delay into the second or third month yeah but by the end of the year it means that definitely there is something something not working every month that woman i know a couple tries to conceive they have an eight percent chance of getting pregnant yeah so cumulatively in a whole one year 12 months if you do 12 times each comes around 96 percent if they are trying to to to get a baby in the it's successfully 12 months consecutively these are 96 percent chance they'll get a baby and get this assuming you practice agriculture every night if a and you plan you know it's like you plan to you know you've had a menstruation period so after 10 days you're starting to to to to have sex right so it's something that you want to a married couple want to have a baby so cumulatively it comes 26 percent but on that every individual month it's 8 percent 2004 is when we started now trying to start getting an ivf center in place by a september 2005 we got the first pregnancy and that was the pregnancy that resulted into a child in may 2006 our first ivf baby did not result from the most rich person it resulted from one of the patients with her permission she gave me permission to be talking about her she was a hawker in the streets of nairobi in dumbo street and we were in domboya street and she used to bring in her money every now and then she brings in two thousand five thousand as she sells her oranges and her mangos and that indicated to us that it's not how rich you are it is how willing is there some kind of monetary exchange for asparagus of course i know there are limits because i'm sure people will be killing at the sperm room for the figures but you say there are terms and conditions you see a donor may decide to come from let's say embarkassi he uses money to come donate and go back to his place right so of course the these monetary giving of money in form of the logistics someone has to have their comments yes it's like it's a good example it's like when you donate blood you are given sword at the end of it right yeah so so it's it's it's it's the monetary value is is is in terms of transport so i can come here and say i'm from south africa so depending on exactly like for example i mean for example no even come and talk about basa i mean to call them in talking i would have received like two a white people who have come and they have just come just to to donate an accompaniment to ambassador natal caputo a sperms so you have to compensate to transport how do you know this is not someone who's just stuck and i just want to bank for transport if they want for transport because you see it's it is standardized even even in in in worldwide there usually are monetary attached to it yeah but you see also you cannot equate that money to to to that sperm how much is a sperm and then i think there needs to be a review here if you have a good donor you should prepare testimonies for someone like say a camper student later in life can give a testimony he was a donor who made good money somehow my kids put me through college my kids financed all my new life even before they were born i think that's a good thing because this is some people you see but okay some people the problem is sometimes people just don't have enough money you know maybe the money that you give someone to someone else is it's the one that you may be for that transporter maybe the donor is being given five thousand right that five thousand to someone is some people is a lot you know someone is every every every for six weeks continuously so per week will be coming twice approximately so you'll have six six times that you will come in that from beginning you started today three weeks you'll remove six times continuous yes there's good money that someone if it depends it's relative how you switch it but it's uh let's say five thousand for for that week twice that's ten thousand for for the six times that you produce that's 30 000. the surrogate mother has

to be paid yeah the is it payment because for spam donors is different is it payment or it's it is compensation not one thing it is compensation for time taken out of whatever she's doing to get state for somebody else the compensation is good money um good is relative but it's it's good money give us arrangements from 500 000 and above that is just the compensation depending on the quality of the baby it's not no it's not about quality of the baby you don't even know the quality you don't even know the looks of the baby what happens is they negotiate with the intended parents how much they wish to give that is what i'm saying 500 quentin bella that is just the compensation there's also monthly upkeep that usually starts from around 30 000. it's supposed to be given for 10 months nine months of pregnancy and one month of recovery i'm not worried that someone will stretch the pregnancy to 10 months okay but unless god does i'm not sure what can happen yeah so the minimum of seeing people being offered is 500 000 and mostly this is between relatives maybe it's your cousin caring for you you just want to say thank you and there are also the surrogacy programs where there's no money exchange okay yeah so you decide just to do it with your sister the ones i like most is where sisters and friends carry for each other and how sensitive is the process if you if you disagree within the nine months and the surrogate mother changes it changes their mind you see that is now where it is very important that the child is not genetically related to the surrogate if she changes her mind she has every right to go with that pregnancy but if she changes the mind i don't want the baby now you're not friends no one's you can't change your mind and that is why the recruitment process is very important the surrogates go through psychological analysis you find six seven girls want to be surrogates but once they go through psychological analysis you can just weigh you at a letter maturity counts because you are going to carry a pregnancy for someone else and give out to the baby afterwards you know so there has to be a level of maturity there has to be a level of understanding the whole process you're not going to keep this child you're not going to start saying oh no remember between sarsa you need to add or double the monies that i'm going to give you the child i'm going to run away you need to have a level of maturity and understanding that this is i don't want to call it work but it's sort of work that you're doing for nine months renting your womb and then moving on you're not going to keep in touch with the child you're not related to the child so you do not need to keep in touch and find out the process one in the larger atcetc you know because these are breastfeeding no she does not breastfeed in fact we always advise when they are going to give birth that doctor's right and no breastfeeding order so that when the girl just delivers she actually gives out the child immediately at park and does not do any breastfeeding or bonding with a child because this is not her baby remember she's just carrying it for another couple genetically and everything it's not her child she's the back mother yes but she's not the legal or the medical mother she's just the bath mother because she produced the child she gave birth so she's the bad mother that's the difference between impregnating the surrogates directly there is traditional surrogate you know there are two types of surrogacy there's traditional surrogacy which is not practiced a lot because it has no legal backing you use iui for instance because you're going to use the eggs of the surrogate mother and the sperm of the man meaning this child is not only biologically related she's she's not only the bath mother but she's also the genetic mother so you see that is not a child that you can take away from somebody like if you and your wife do you have a wife i have people who are looking so if you and your wife decide that you want a surrogate and you go the traditional way and we use your spam for instance you see this is your child and that girl's child because you've used her eggs you've used your sperm so it's a genetic child to both of you and this one becomes a little bit complicated it cannot be legislated upon because this is a biological child there's no way a magistrate or any judicial officer is going to take away parental responsibilities from a biological parent and give out to wherever the only way this can happen is if the biological mother decides to give up the child for instance yes and the child undergoes an adoption process through there you follow the adoption processes but the one that is legally legislated all over the world is the gestational surrogacy where the surrogate mother has no genetic link whatsoever with the child you get eggs from the intended parent span from the intended parent fertilize implant in the surrogate she carries she delivers this is the intended parent's child okay so in short traditional surrogacy is biological name for cheating yes it is actually thank you for using the awardee this is a biological name for cheating and you find people want to cut a corners and they want to do that it it will bring in a lot of issues in fact the first the first case worldwide the bbm case was because of a biological surrogacy in america and at the end of the day you know this parties you know it it was legislated upon and parties had to have biological rights they had to have visitation rights and all that because there's no way you're taking a child from the biological parents and giving to intended parents but the surrogate mom still keeps the traditional african mum bragging rights over the child you know i carried you for nine months they still others do that yeah but the surrogate mom still still retains that right well if she wants to but when she bragging to her friends no no to intimidate the child oh yeah maybe if she wants maybe that's just a mad woman but if she wants to break that to that to the child to intimidate the child then why not she has she has all the rights to do that in some legislations actually you are given six weeks to decide if you're going to give up the child or not even if the child is not biologically related to you because you know you're the bad mother and that is why yeah in some legislations do they have to abstain for the period they have to abstain for the period of not the period of pregnancy yes not really they can go ahead and have sex like normal women when they're having pregnancy they just go ahead and have sex but we encourage them to abstain you know even if you tell them abstain you're not going to be watching over them and finding out this one has abstained you can't you can't police them you encourage them to abstain but you don't expect them to fully abstain is that because um locally there's something that goes around that uh when your wife is pregnant you have to continue having sex so the baby can look like you you had the nose it's a doctor like that is you're not making any ears and wherever and wherever once a pregnancy happens once the deal is signed that's it whatever will grow in is whatever is in there's no extras that is happening okay so if you read i've heard of situations there someone can get pregnant immediately but those are the outliers those are the exceptional cases one in 20 million that is something you can just do your own research and read about okay yeah and in the event that the embryo divides in the woman and the contract was for one baby you divide the babies yeah actually contract is not for one baby we don't count human beings sing one be hating one cow one call foreign when you're entering into a contract you're entering into a gestational surrogacy arrangement contract so when you're even negotiating your compensation on the river you are told that there are chances that you will like two embryos your two embryos will be transferred and there are chances that you'll get a multiple pregnancy so when you're negotiating for your compensation you need to negotiate an amount that you're comfortable with if it's one baby or two babies you know so because we don't say one baby is 200k another one is times two or what you know whatever amount you negotiate if the parents want to give you something to say thank you later that's up to them that's up to the tour but that's not something that you can legislate upon you said something last time we met something rather controversial but makes a lot of sense that a miscarriage is a blessing in disguise that's true if you have if anyone has a miscarriage that's a blessing blessing whereby if you have for for for miscarriage to happen i know most people will say that miscarriages uh witchcraft something wrong here and there but medically if you have a miscarriage it means that that baby has a genetic condition genetic disease which the body treats it as cancer and has to remove it out so if the body has once removed that that baby out because uh you know if someone is born with a with no feet no no no no legs uh the head is is it it will grow in such that you may want not to to mental mental um degradation or you know the body will will have to eject it out because it's seeing that it has a genetic defect so it has to remove it so if you cry that um miscarriage miscarriage miscarriage is is good what if that baby was born and the baby has no eyes no he has no you know okay so does this mean that when someone has a miscarriage they should go check why they had the miscarriage for professional health to avoid that happening again and that's where the tests come in thank you uh robin mentioned something about an invasive procedure uh ivf being an invasive procedure but then along the corridors i've seen a room labeled and i st i can't say that word and as this test is an s another theologist yes yes this is so to make sure that there is no pain so the whole baby making process through the ivf clinic is purely a tasteless procedure yes it's you know you know one thing you should one day look at a procedure that is done with without anesthesia you know you know it's for the first time the woman the the to to get the eggs the needle will go to there then it will go to the to the ovary yes and it's a very discomforting feeling but you make sure that doesn't happen you have to appreciate that yes so for the sperm process it is enjoyable for the man and for from the woman's side it's a 10-minute procedure they feel they just it's like going to sleep then come back again 10 minutes procedure yeah so so it's a very short time for that the only thing that that takes away is is a con time they have to look for time to come and do the process because um you can imagine working where you work as a where you work as a journalist and you have to tell your boss i'm coming for ivf and you need to give me all mornings are not becoming men are always saying that women are the problem of getting a child actually 50 percent of the problem is the man then 30 percent is the woman always 50 percent of the time we find there's a man's problem and thirty percent is a woman's other twenty percent is something that is a bitter in mystery we don't know what it is meaning both of them are okay but we don't know why they are not having a baby that's why you use the natural the acid reproduction together baby so there's a lot of stigma of uh on coming to to women they're being blamed in society uh why they're not getting babies but the biggest problem is the man and there is a this pride that um just going for that simple sperm test can make a big difference okay and uh in terms of my wild imagination these are wild imagination question so please please prepare for it of course uh the ivf center has state of the art equipment and stuff let's say someone has opened their own keynesian spam bank out there for a cleaner was cleaning um a table and a bucket of sperms okay is that what we call could that result to an accidental baby that's not how catalyzation works this is coming from a place where uh when in primary school i remember one of our our peers warning us that hey must you need to be very careful teenage pregnancy is something else even a drop of spam can make someone pregnant that's true i drove [Music] that's the challenge in fact that's exactly where the question is coming from i think i'm gonna lie to you okay we are made unless there's just something but what you are saying is a drop is lethal but sometimes just that uh small factors of dijon material blockages they sperm that means it does not have a motility but if a sperm is is a optimum condition i can drop directly here come on mama the problem is temperature temperature and infection affects all that processing yes so temperature coming strong they'll die a infection also kills out of sperms yes you can save for five days moving we in this room temperature marvelous yes that's okay five days nah nah nasa uh how do you elect a sperm to fertilize your neck because i'm sure you don't fall them on the eggs that you do you become a blue band as in so as as um i told you earlier yes there's a process called spam washing whereby they're dead spam which are not moving they're the breeze come on this is the breeze this one is dead and you can see here this debris in your chair photo we don't want the breeze uh we don't want dead sperm there's only one material sperm so like this is the breeze yes uh you can see there's maybe a dead sperm show me a healthy spam show me a healthy spam i don't think this problem is what is moving anything moving this one this one this one looks like a musician or maybe it's a a dancer ah it depends on what it will become but uh they are dead sperm as you can see these are but the other ones also which are moving this one is active yes this one is looking for a way out he doesn't know this guy was meaning this guy was choking the turtle he's very hopeful of human life in his most basic form right yeah but actually the thing is the genetic code half the genetic code that will make a human being yes is inside one of these one one of these contains data yes if you put it in computer computer mb and gb yes one would be around we when you do the sequencing it can hold data up to 100 gigabytes this is quite not what i expected for a spam bank when i draw my idea for a spam bank was nikki kudan tambuwal account nasi si you wanted to open what kind of an account do you want long time short term it is not quite what i expected nairobi ivf center is a very lovely place we started this center way back in we started thinking about it way back in 1994 when dr nora was doing his uh made in obstetrics and gynecology and that was his research assistant so where his he had two questions a gynecological question was age of menopause and the obstetric question was outcome of pregnancy and in that research he came out with the with the results that the and not everybody who conceives delivers a baby and so many young people do have reached menopause without knowing that they are in menopause so we purposed that one day we were going to start getting a solution for them and that is just a highlight of what i've learned from the curiosity drone from the simple question of a spam back i hope you've enjoyed what you've just seen please feel free to share with us your comments compliments and criticisms in the comments section it will help us a long way in improving the quality of content that we bring to you if you loved what you've seen please give us a like hit the notification button and subscribe to the channel because we have more great content coming your way my name is dr kinori and a special shout out to madame jonore for hooking us up now let's see where curiosity leads us from here i'll see you on the next one you

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