How emotions influence your trading performance | At the Table #10
all right guys welcome to another episode of at the table by urban forex my name is navin prithyani and today we have a topic about emotions while trading specifically talking about when you activate a trade how your emotions can get riled up so i've invited some of the regulars to the panels so here with me today tuning in is lucas han lucas if you can just give us a little background about yourself hey everyone i'm lucas han and i'm tuning in from kuala lumpur malaysia and yeah i'm one of the prop traders in urban forex and yeah nice to see everyone here awesome awesome we also have ian scarrott tuning in in hey everybody just i'm tuning in from east coast of australia i'm also on the platform with lucas i just thought i'd stay up a bit late and talk some emotions with all you fun gentlemen here yes yes yes that's what it's all about today we also have doctor operations of urban forex we have armand in the house armand if you can introduce yourself hello i'm armand and i'm tuning in from thailand and yeah i run operations and i make sure everyone's happy both on the team and all the students and especially for this webinar i have my tissues ready because it's going to be emotional i think a lot of our listeners are probably at this point ready to to have tissues ready like every episode is like oh no what are they gonna tell me what's wrong with me now like all right all right so so to start off with let's start off with a couple of announcements i wanted to make actually one major announcement i wanted to make so today we had released episode four of let's take a minute and everyone's favorite character raju so that one's been released today you are able to now watch it on our channel on youtube or on igtv on instagram or on our facebook page so you know you can head out there and look into that is now available people were very happy with raju with an r being back there's a lot of people saying that but loads and loads of people are also sharing it with with all their friends so yeah i'm very surprised by the number of comments on that thing like it just just keeps coming yeah he's probably more popular than you are yeah i i i can feel that i can feel that like i'm like not to find a way to kill raju so i can i can live on i think we get more questions on the support side from asking about raju nowadays yeah yeah oh well he's definitely a lot more popular than i am speaking speaking of roger like what menu came up with this character in the first place like how did it all came about if you're asking if it's if it's my alter ego or my you know split personality no that's not the answer like it's so it was sometimes last year you know early times of covet is when i actually you know was talking with rmo about it that everything that i tune into online is very gloomy and sad and everything like that like and i'm watching my friends and family members also around me during the times of covet everyone was just down constantly down and the whole topic on their mouth was when is this gonna end i hate this i hate that so it's like even watching tv shows it was quite boring because it was very serious and every episode sort of like spinned off into covid so i wanted to switch things up a little bit i wanted to make a character that we can all laugh at or upon you know it's me and it's fine for me and and i wanted to bring a character we can all relate to because every episode that we make we're on episode four now but every episode that we make sort of has this message to it of how what traders actually go through and what they experience in a more comical way in a more comical way so that's how raju came about and the accent and all that just just i think i had that in me anyways because i think when i was younger i had that accent so it just probably just came right out yeah i think a lot of people recognize certain aspects of the mistakes raju makes certainly for me personally even you know the one with the stop-loss i'm you know guilty of that at least once or twice in my life so i think it jives really well with people yeah yeah i think it's it's a great character to relate to and show his journey that he's going through as a trader yeah yeah so episode four is out so if you have a chance do have a look it is available again on youtube and on ig tv if you're on instagram also on facebook so you can pick up on that so yeah it is me being goofy and being nutty not afraid of your image yeah no no i get this a lot i've seen a few comments also saying navin you shouldn't do stuff like this it doesn't suit you and stuff like that the the thing is i don't have a problem with that personally you know many mentors in the forex industry their whole focus is i gotta look cool i gotta look cool i gotta look serious i started the whole urban forex you know back in 2009 with the whole idea of of finance is way too serious and hence the the ability to simplify things bring it in a more fun and more comical way is is what you know it's all about so and i'm very comfortable in my own skin that i have nothing to prove so you know if you know people laugh at that then or at me that's fine like i'm very okay with that my whole thing is not to show who i am but to give you a better experience right give the audience a better experience in their education and their learning in their process and that automatically makes me the teacher or the mentor i am you know and a few good laughs right and a few good laughs i personally have a good time doing it so the last episode i did like 40 takes on one of the scenes and because the person recording kept giggling the whole time when they were recording it and i couldn't stop laughing looking at them laughing and it just it just took forever to record so it was a lot of fun lots of fun i think it was all worth it it was really good i think so too i think so too you know i i always relate to the feedback and comments once the audience watches it and replies back and and that basically shows me you know if it's well received or not so yeah i think it is we get lots lots of great comments from the raju videos they're always excited whenever a new one's released so yeah yeah yeah so but but i i hope the message is taken away to don't be a raju he's not the icon to become he's an icon not to become like yeah don't make those mistakes skip them if you can definitely definitely so yeah there you have it that's the announcement i wanted to make for raju episode 4 it is out now so talking about emotions so so in in this latest episode that i made with raju i i wanted to show specifically for this podcast and this webinar i i wanted to show this notion of you can come well prepared you can have all the right mindsets you can do your affirmations in the morning you can do your meditations you can say i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do that i'm gonna do this and then the moment you activate the trade it's like you're no longer the same person anymore you lose all hell breaks loose all hell breaks loose there you go yeah i wanted to show that in the episode and i want to now talk about it with you guys is how do you guys relate to something like that what is your experiences as traders that you have been started your journey for a long time ago what have you experienced with this lucas we'll start off with you sure well i can take it a step back and you know before even getting in on the trade itself this is speaking from my own experience sometimes you know i feel that i'm entitled to have waiting traits just because you know i've gone through so many years of training you know going on a demo account creating good results there you know doing my research with all that work behind me you know i feel that i deserve to the win that the next trade is gonna you know be a winning trade and sometimes that puts me in a bad psychological spot because my focus and attention all suddenly becomes i just want to win whatever the cost and you know that kind of mindset usually backfires and yeah that's something i still deal with from time to time you know on an emotional level so basically yeah that's one interesting emotion that you know i've recently encountered that i'm sure some of you guys may feel the same way but but when when you like for example when you were first like let's let's put it this way when you started to deal with these emotions that came in once you activated the trade how long was it before you started noticing hey i'm going on tilt whenever the trade starts like does it take a long time to reach that point did it take a long at least for you did it take a long time to start saying like sort of like looking at yourself as a bird's eye views like what am i doing or did it did it naturally come to you on trade one trade through and you always knew it but you'd never acted upon it i think it depends on how good the weed is and how good the preparation is if the preparation is you know absolutely then all i'm thinking about is just trying to get a winning trade in yeah as soon as i put on the trade i'm gonna be thinking to myself what the hell did i just do yeah i don't think this is gonna work out well for me right right yeah okay all right ian what about you what's your experience with trading and emotions and all the baggage that comes with it i guess hey good job that's the truth actually i'll go back to kind of what you you brought up to begin with like i think sometimes it's overlooked like when you actually enter when you actually get into the trade and and even after i learned to do all the proper like the prep like okay meditate i did all my research and stuff but sometimes you know like when you get into a trade it'll either there's two scenarios you could have something come against you really hard or you could have a trade that just blasts off in your favor really hard either way they invoke emotions in you and a lot of time that might cause you to oh i'm going to scratch that trade early i'm going to cut my profit short you know because it's emotions that dictate driving so yeah yeah so i learned i think through time that in your plan it's important to have multiple scenarios like planned out inside your plan if you know what i mean it's like it could do this what am i going to do it could do that you know what am i going to do and have that all in the back of your brain so it's like you're not phased as much you know like when you see those because you're like oh i planned for that already but yeah what would you say would you say many people actually do that though where they plan for the multiple scenarios because the excitement of the opportunity is right there in front of them do they do they have time to plan for scenarios i know i'd probably not i oh oh there he is i thought you were going to give away like the golden key and the big boy stepped in i just did exactly you know i i agree with you right there when you say the the answer to all of that is no but yeah so coming back to sorry i think there was a little bit of a disconnect there so yeah would you say the scenarios people generally plan for and you know which what would you have to say around the scenarios i i mean speaking from personal experience i never did when i first started i do now i try and plan for it now but it's not something that you just naturally i think do right like well i'm i'm trading this direction this is my plan not many people like kind of like think about both scenarios or different scenarios they just have a one-track mind right you know what i mean absolutely absolutely yeah it's very very difficult very difficult yeah lucas you were saying yeah i actually want to dig deeper into that topic let's say you do have a plan on different scenarios yeah and then let's say scenario a happens but for some reason whatever emotions is kicking in and you're like i think i'm better than the market i think it's still gonna work i'm gonna scratch this plan just this one time yeah how do you counter stuff like that i'm sure everyone goes through you know stuff like that even though they have a plan from a to z they stood up well that was the whole point of this whole discussion right is to find out that a person well prepared can be easily hijacked once the trade is on right like the brain just gets like taken you know suddenly you feel out of control so much out of control i don't think anything's ever guaranteed or 100 percent you know with well with anything even with trading so i think you just got to do the best you can right and and then try and get better each time make your plan a little better each time and then i think you also learn from each experience like maybe you do that what lucas just said oh i'm gonna just do this this one time you know and maybe that doesn't work out then you learn from that you know right right i think about that next time so armand you haven't said anything yet on this topic i'm guessing you don't have any of those issues right and you're like prop traders you know this is their problem not mine i'm the guy with the biggest tissue box here i think you guys the one thing that i want to mention it's like the classic of of emotions and trading and i think everyone will recognize it and you guys have kind of built up to it unknowingly and it's negotiation yeah so if you don't follow your plan or you don't have a plan and the market goes a little bit against you you said oh yeah you know if it comes back to my entry then i'll get out of it because you know at least then i don't have a losing trade and then you know it reaches your entry like okay it can still work out now and then it goes to some area and it's your target area well it can go a little bit further right and then you you suddenly you went from hope you go to overconfidence and fomo and then the market crashes very similar to what you know happened to raju basically and yeah that's yeah the negotiation is it's a set of different emotions and they all come into play in one trade absolutely everyone will recognize that there's nothing much i can do about that right i'm asian negotiation is in my place it's just part of the game negotiations right like yeah but but you know in the webinar that we're gonna do after this thing i'm gonna be talking about the negotiation process so you know those of you guys tuning in from spotify or itunes or anything like that and if you want to watch this webinar it will be in the description the link to what's the recording that we've done on on the webinar on trading with emotions so i like how you say that armand about the negotiation process it's a very important thing because the negotiation is not set in analysis it's sort of a something that just shows up in your mind and says if it comes here i'll exit if it goes there i'll take my profit like it's just why did that number come it's just so random you know who who made that number why did it come last minute why did the plan change last minute it's it's so crazy how the brain just gets so drifted so easily yeah and then you don't even follow your you know your new plan so you throw it if you had a plan you throw it away now you have a new plan and then you don't even follow that one like what are you doing so we need to start a new hashtag you know for for people who keep changing their plan we need to call them forex planners today i'm gonna trade forex i'm gonna buy euro usd and then actually i'm going to buy aussie usd no no no swiss franc japanese yen so i think from from my personal experience whenever i i look at a lot of the traders there's so much knowledge out there there's so much knowledge like you know i i can meet traders and any topic i bring up they can quote things they can show me the pattern they can show it to me on charts they can give me a thousand examples behind it but when we sit down to do a trade and when i see them fumble between this to that to switching and flipping and flipping i'm like you know how to prepare you don't know how to execute you're not a creator yet okay you are just an educated person you're not a traitor yet and that's the whole game of trading it's so difficult right what would you guys have to say about that emotions it's a whole different game between knowing what to do and you know doing what actually needs to be done yeah absolutely absolutely and and we we tend to forget why we're even doing this right it's like we get so caught up into learning learning learning learning learning that the whole focus goes on i wanna i want this trade to be right rather than you don't have to be right to constantly make money the goal is to make money it's not to be right and i think there are two different things that people don't understand but on the flip side of things by going into trading don't we learn more about ourselves who we are as human beings how our brains operate how our lives are revolved around the way we think not around what life is throwing at us it's how we respond to it right yeah yeah it's really cool to get an answer immediately to what to every action you take you get an answer immediately and then that shows you who you are and you know what you do and how you do it absolutely you know you know we can you know sit here and make quotes as well saying the mother market will always do what it wants to do it doesn't care about you you know you can do what you want to do and if you're in the wrong side it'll just run over you so trading is hard as is but by getting fidgety once the trade executes it will only make things harder and why this is fascinating and why this is an important topic is because there is this little misconception of if you're well prepared you execute the trade and then you go off balance you go on tilt right like where your brain is hijacked and you can't focus anymore and then people just blame that on oh it's my psychology you know it's like me saying hey i didn't make money last month oh government you know like i can sit here and complain all i want but i gotta work on it i gotta work on it i can you know you can blame anything technically oh it says my table was pointed at the wrong direction like what it's like focus on what you can control right isn't that some spiritual buddhist kind of approach yes yes everything is in your hands at the end of the day and it's it's how you approach it that makes the difference so if you now recognize that once you take a trade and you're getting out of balance well then do something about it right like find help for it or monitor yourself and do something about it rather than saying oh i have a psychological issue you know people might start thinking you're crazy i always do this you know like i always do this you know you can't you can't talk like that yeah the first step is to recognize that you're going off balance and i think even that first step is is often missed but maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves and this is part of what's supposed to be in the webinar actually no but no but but that is correct that is correct is the the ability to identify that there's something wrong that's the basis of any problem solving right first identify there's an issue if you identify it hard enough you know that's where the problem lies it's not your entry it's not your trade management or your stop-loss it's the moment the trigger begins and a little movement in the market and the heart starts beating according to how fast the market moves you know it's like the market controls your heartbeat it jumps apart your heart's like whoa whoa whoa the amount of hair you have in your head so it's emotions in trading it's an evil on its own but a nice one if you could manage it it's fine yes yeah i know one thing i used to do like with my post analysis and like when i'm doing my all my my videos i i would used to record myself even while the trade was on it's just kind of a little hack that for me you can listen to yourself in the recording sometimes even like once you enter the trade and then look back on it when your emotions maybe aren't you know as high and kind of see and you can recognize you have a calm mind and you're like oh i didn't act so well there you know or i handled that better and just something to maybe try you know if that seems to be an issue yeah yeah absolutely i i want to point out one thing so a lot of you guys who are tuning in or who those of you guys were here live you might be wondering oh this is a newbie thing you know like this is for people who are just starting off in forex you know you know those monkeys who just begin no this is a problem for everybody and i'm going to tell you why in my prop firm we have a different level of psychological issue okay in in the profile so i'm going to say trader a and trader b okay so prof trader a he's he's you know just for the sake of discrepancy and hiding identities so i'm not hurting so trader a is on a call with me live and we're talking about for example euro usd and he's going through the plan and this and that and he's like all right here's what i'm gonna do this is what i'm gonna do as a pullback comes in and this is how i'm gonna prepare i will use this lot size but if it comes down to here i will increase my size but if it crosses this area i'll add add add okay so he's talking like that with me trader b suddenly puts up a post in our group saying i just bought swiss franc japanese yen that message pops up while we are live with me and trader a is live we're talking i can see on his screen a pop-up notification comes up says trader b just took swiss franc japanese yen for a buy i can notice live at that moment the guy is distracted from that moment onwards and he's like maybe this will take a lot of time my euro usd we should look at swiss franc so this it's constantly even at a professional level even at a professional level it's not a newbie thing it's it's actually a problem that even you know a certain level of professionals even go through because there is this tendency of well that guy is also pro maybe i should look at that why am i not on that one you know so yeah armand that's the right word right fomo it's the fear of missing out and it happens at all levels at all intellectual levels at all professional levels as well so that's something you can't get away with would you guys agree yeah yeah i definitely think so i think a lot of the emotions that a trader deals with whether before the trade after the trade during the trade it usually is the problem stems from external factors you know i need to do this so i can for example be the top in the prop from pay the bills i've have seven losing straight line i need to make this win otherwise i'll feel like for the rest of the week you know all external factors you know driving the emotions up and down right i think make can change they can change too from day to day it's not like exact circumstances that surround your life like just stay the same like day in and day out so i mean you know it could be anything though maybe something else is bugging you that day so it's you know you have a emotions or more rollercoasters i was actually talking to some some traders in the elite community about that where we came to the conclusion that it's actually important to know in what kind of mood you are so what your emotional state is before you even start to do your analysis yes and based on on that fact you can determine already how you're going to react to that moment when you you know pull the trigger and you're in a trade right right so let's let's bring it down to this question next question then can it be turned off you can't turn off emotions it's always going to be there it's always going to be there so what's the answer to it do we just label it oh psychological issue i'm a [ __ ] i can't do this you have to be humble about it you have to accept that emotions are there and also i'm using the word humble because sophia and the chat just mentions it and i thought it was nicely put so thank you sophia so yeah be humble about it and then also realize that without emotions you can't read the market how will you read the story if you don't understand what emotions are and how other people get emotional because that's how the market works yes and that is the basis of how all of our trades are are taken right now you guys are here from the prop firm then we look at the trapped areas where in the negotiation when someone loses isn't that our area of interest yeah that's where all of our trades actually begin so it's not just identifying the emotion it's facing it head-on and saying how do i manage it and then if you're good enough turning that into an opportunity that's what the market is it is a combination of these three things it is identifying where people slip up how they're gonna slip up and where you come in on the other end right you're one step ahead you're you're you're the one who has controlled his emotions not eliminated it but well managed so you're saying we're coming each day into the markets trying to take advantage when people are sleeping up and you know they're crying over their trades hey i did my fair share of slipping up exactly like i haven't been on the other side plenty like if you're asking if i feel bad out i do not feel bad like i i messed up so much in the beginning and it was not because i was messing up because why would anyone do that to me nobody knows me i'm behind a computer screen nobody knows like you know what today we're going to target navin and we're going to make sure we wipe them out like no one does that like it's just a matter of i don't know what i don't know there's a lot of knowledge that goes behind trading well okay there's a market knowledge there's an economic knowledge and then there's an there's a psychological knowledge of how people would trade because the psychological part helps with timing helps with you to time the market to get into a trade so before we move on to the webinar any last inputs you guys want to share regarding emotions and trading or any advice or any tips that you guys that helped you guys nah maybe i have one more example of stuff that i i did a lot in the past and that's when i would so i would be prepared for a trade and then i would miss the entry and would go without me and then i would be sitting there hoping it wouldn't work so i wouldn't feel as bad but actually that's worse because that would also mean that if it then it doesn't work that also means my analysis is wrong so it's it's useless from from every angle it's better to be very neutral about it and just think okay mister now i'll prepare for next time you know get all angry and get some sort of revenge on the market because well it doesn't do anything right absolutely absolutely right any of you guys lucas in any inputs on order tips and tricks actually i brought up being angry like i think it's good to not like each day you trade regardless if it's like a winning day or a losing day or whatever like if you're mad that day don't take it into the next day if you want to put it that way like just because your euro usd trade today you tried to sell it and it didn't work you know don't necessarily think it won't work the next day yeah you know if your analysis points to that don't and vice versa right it can be the same way by your usd man it really worked well yesterday it's gotta work well today again i don't even bother doing all that analysis it's just gonna keep going so like try try to just kind of treat each each day like a fresh day and try not to have too much recency bias absolutely and we can even go far enough to say treat each session as a whole different thing right it's not even each day it's a trade even really each trading needs trade honest absolutely absolutely so you should have no emotions or emotional baggage from the last trade coming on to the next one and if that means you have to step away then step away if that means you have to sleep and let the day pass until the next day then you do that hard to do sometimes you sit there and watch a trader all day and it doesn't do nothing and then yeah and then it just goes without you in the middle of the night you're like ah that's it i'm done with that pair yeah yeah it's not really the right attitude but i mean i've been there the more than most times the amount of times i've received messages at 2 30 in the morning my time from prop traders saying everyone's making money i'm not making money i've picked the trades and they've all done the same trade as the one i've picked everyone's made money i haven't made money i need to talk to you getting out of bed all right give me five minutes i'll get online and the issue is just out of fear that i've picked a good trade i won't get it because i didn't get it last time and i didn't get at the time before so i'm also going to miss it this time sometimes it's reversed i didn't get the last few times so they get in early it's crazy and these are professional professionals right professionals go through the same problems as the average person because emotional intelligence is not something people normally train for so it you know those of you guys who are new and you guys are dealing with emotional intelligence now deal with it immediately because if you don't deal with it now you're going to deal with it when you're a pro but you're gonna have to deal with it start now start now that's the difference between a beginner and a pro like pros know how to deal with it immediately as it happens as it happens yeah it's like constant monitoring of what's in front of you but also what's inside you like that's that's cool i mean when when you think of it like that that's pretty cool like an industry that forces you to sort of be spiritual all right i think that's pretty fascinating it's like i'm just looking at charts but the my charts have changed me teardrop is a kleenex center person i'm almost a kleenex for you yeah but i think what armand just said is is pretty important and like a very good point the difference between amateur trader and you know like a super professional super good trader is how they manage their emotions how how are they you know how are they able to pick up themselves after having a few losers how are they handling their own emotions day in and day out that kind of stuff versus you know an amateur trader maybe a few losers to start to doubt themselves doubt their skills that kind of stuff but sorry i saw somebody in elite today i was replying to to him he was saying he had two weeks in a row with dodge double-digit account growth and he thinks i'm 100 sure it's a fluke like this is a like a two-off like two weeks in a row oh i'm running out of luck because i still don't have the skills yeah that's not good that's not good that's that's training the mind to to believe that you're nobody and you can't do anything that's not good yeah yeah well let's hope let's hope you were able to reach out to that guy and yeah yeah no no i i did i mean he was bringing some good points forward because there were still some mistakes that he makes very often that he still made in the last two weeks yeah but just the fact that despite having two killer weeks he still recognized mistakes that he made so that's i see that as a positive and he's working on them and he doesn't have the expectation of now i've got it he's not over confident it just needs a little little tweaking and the positivity i i'd say yeah you know there's multiple ways that people deal with it like i'll tell you some examples that in the prop firm how many of the people deal with it so i have some traders when they're having a a losing trade they'll actually step away and you won't see them for the rest of the day they'll basically barely talk to you saying i had a losing trade you know generally in our group we're always joking around or fooling around we're serious when it comes time to work but around the work time everyone is just a monkey there's like gifs flying all over the place everyone's laughing goofing around like you you won't tell that these people are 30 plus everyone looks like a 16 year old kid so everyone's having a great time but that traitor once here you know i was gonna say he or she it's a he once he makes a loss you won't see him he'll step away he'll barely interact and you'll hear from him the next day then there are traitors the moment someone takes a loss when he he takes a loss he'll reach out and be like i need to talk okay i think lucas you do that sometimes too where as soon as you you notice there is a problem it's like i gotta solve this now like and then you reach out to me like we gotta get on the call i wanna talk about this trade what what do you think i did wrong how can we fix this i do that i do that too if i have a losing trade i personally will either reach out to lucas or another proprietor ali and be like all right just act like a wall you don't have to say anything let me speak you just listen it's like and you nod your head and saying okay okay you know like so i do that sometimes because sometimes you just have to let it out and by speaking yourself you will catch yourself with a solution saying i know what to do next time yeah i think sometimes the penned up emotion is way more dangerous because it carries forward and then forward to the next day and the next week next month and then one day it explodes correct you can just say goodbye to your account yeah the traders that haven't lasted in the firm are the ones who kept it to themselves we just kept letting it eat them inside and and you know to a point where it develops to everyone's making money i'm not making money i haven't talked to anybody about it i'm shy to talk about it okay i i don't think it's gonna work for me and then they fade away they fade away they're no longer in the prop firm they're out of the scene or like what happened to him like nobody knows so it's it just develops you don't let it develop don't let it don't don't let the emotions take over you but you need to take over it and manage it manage it well yeah at least mention it out loud in your post analysis correct if you don't have any anyone to talk to i mean yeah and and you know this is this is why i find a lot of pride in urban forex because we have the elite community and then we also have the prop firm side of the urban forex and everyone there has this sense of i got you man don't worry it'll be okay like everyone's just very nice generally i've been on forums around the internet they are i'm sorry for my like french but they're horrible people man you make one small mistake and they will tell you oh you're nobody you're not going to make it if you're going to trade like this like they'll be in your face you're not going to get traders developing like that 95 are developing traders 95 and if you're gonna talk down to them it's you know you're done you're done that community is done it's over yeah it's like all development is cancelled correct yeah you know and we know what happens right when people talk down to people it's like a bully he has his own personal issues that's why he's picking on people so when you see a bully in communities telling people they're wrong chances are he doesn't know how to trade and he's taking it out on you this is very common it's very very common right should be a skill counselor on the side yeah i know right i should open up like forex therapy on the side urban forex therapy you know uft like sit down on this couch like tell me about your childhood pips how many pullbacks have you traded cool cool cool all right so what we'll do is we will i'll take it over from here i will spin this podcast and end it and take it into the webinar again those of you guys who are tuning in and listening into the audio from the podcast whether it's be from spotify itunes or google you know you can actually look into the description and there will be a link for the recording of the webinar that i'm about to do so thank you guys on the panel our armand operations manager making sure everyone makes it to the finish line thank you thank you you're welcome lucas tuning in from kl as always it's always fun to have you here thank you cheers and ian let's make sure we can turn off the lockdown in australia so we can see you in dubai again yeah i can't wait i can't get way to get out of this tin can here see the world again so cool cool cheers everybody enjoy the first cheers cheers i'll take over from here you
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