Ep 40: Pivoting from the league to business
yo you know anybody that played in the league before nba nfl mlb well guess what this is the episode for you and this is the episode for them today we discuss making a pivot from the league to business how that impacts you and the people around you so make sure you like share and subscribe and tune in with us we appreciate your love and support thank you i want to say pivoting right we got to have life conversations earlier right a lot of the guys i went to school i can recall them getting like university funding and taking that funding right and sending a bunch of it back home um and all through the locker room all you hear is i gotta make it for my mama my mama pushed me my mom was pushing me but the thing is we as americans we got to push our kids in something other than sports absolutely you can still make a lot of money in corporate america starting your own business but we as african americans we so bottled in on hey you got to play football you got to play basketball so at the end of the day that's all we know that's all we knew um i mean my pops was financially incorporated my pops was did great in finance uh in corporate america retired at 48 doesn't have to work again um but i can recall him pushing me in sports right and i and not many two other not other things outside of that right and no disrespect to my pops amazing man like i look up to him i want to be everything he is those were real um but that was the reality and that's why with my son a lot of people like do you make them playable i'm like no i don't make him do anything he wants to play because i played but then again like he has no pressure to make it because i got i got him i got my my soon-to-be wife i got me i got all of us so he has no pressure to make it for us right so if he wants to play and make it it's strictly on him the greatest the greatest i'm a star shine bright lightning like gentlemen gentlemen guests ladies everybody thank you welcome back to another segment of the black fly on the wall podcast we got some special guests today um you know uh some some legends some we got too many people from durham i can tell you that never too all you need is one of them but to my right i have desmond scott doesn't go and introduce yourself man what's going on everybody i appreciate y'all for being here thank you guys for being here as well desmond scott from durham north carolina aka board city um business owner of prime institute in raleigh and garner nice nice nice the legend tell them tell them about duke too man oh duke oh man uh acc and duke record holder first person in duke history to have a thousand yards rushing receiving the kickoff return third person in acc history to do that absolutely nice legend to my left and mr tony creasy here he a regular now tony creasy man from durham north carolina aka the bull city gotta represent it everywhere we go um as always man father follower christ business owner uh fiance uh everything abundant one nice nice until to my far left here another legend uh carlos spells carlos introduce yourself uh i know a lot of people from foreign aka north carolina um former uh um i went to one southern state um um i think our record was 40 46 and 46 and six while i was there played in the national championship um nice math teacher uh husband father nice all of them yeah yeah love love love love and today's episode is pivoting from the league to business you know i felt this was a very important conversation to have as a lot of our peers played professionally whether it was the nba nfl college athletes that chose a different path other than going professional um i feel like this is a very very very important conversation to have one for the other individuals that made the same choices that you all made two had the same experiences that you all have but three most importantly this conversation is for the young kids out there that may one day and will one day whether they go to the league and play 20 years 20 years or they go to the league and play two years or they choose a different route other than going to the nba nfl mlb whatever it may be everybody's going to come to a point where you have a critical point in your life where you have to pivot and you have to pivot for yourself you got to pivot for your family you got to pivot for your own life purpose legacy and i think i felt like it was a very important conversation to have so i had to have some gentlemen that have experienced it you know and my goal is just to guide the conversation so uh dez kick it off man to tell us you know shortly about your experience as a college athlete at the top of their game and how the experience of pivoting was important for you yeah man uh it was definitely a blessing for me to experience everything that i got to experience through football yeah um the the places that it took me the people that i met um and the platform that it created for me um was was a blessing beyond what i can actually comprehend as a 18 year old but looking back now as a 30 year old business owner to utilize that platform of football to be able to do the things that i do now and impact the people that i've been able to impact i was i was able to make a decision to walk away from football much rather football ending for me i could walk away from it and start the journey of uh becoming a teacher and a principal okay um nice yeah that so you so you had a you had a unique situation because you were able to choose your decision to step away versus it impacting you and you having to kind of be reactive you're more so proactive yeah for sure tony what about your experience so i was opposite um i was more reactive um and my reaction uh wasn't the best uh growing up man like i was the number one or number two player in the state like 16th in the country offers from anybody you name it i had it um so at this point in life i'm i'm the man i'm like i am tony creasy that's me i'm the man and uh i went to college uh got hurt so i registered my freshman year red shirt freshman year was started going crazy rush her sophomore started going crazy uh and then that's when my life kind of took a turn because at that point um it was it was then about women it was then about um it more so went from football to to now like i'm just this man and uh so i was reactive so luckily um i stopped playing as much um but then i had a shot to go to the patriots i took that opportunity uh made it to the last cut um and i remember yeah yeah dez was training me that's the crazy part there's a train well small world um yeah yeah that was my trainer so it was crazy i remember bill belichick called me and i was like hey man like uh you deserve to be in the league you're a great player thank you so much uh we enjoyed your time here but we just don't need you right now so i'm like i understood that and my agent kept calling me hey man this team asking about you this team asking about this team asking about you so during that time i took a little job where i was making minimal money like i wasn't making money at all but i wanted to train and still try to make it right um and then i just my life just started spiraling because then the call stopped coming right and i'm still making i think i was making what eleven dollars an hour or something i was like i'm gonna chase this football dream life was spiraling out of control spiraling out of control um and then it got to the point where i had depression i wasn't like dead i didn't do teaching i didn't and then able to start his own business i i had a point of depression well i was like man like because my name was always associated with football right and i thought in order to have this lavish life that i wanted i had to play football i had to make millions of dollars but as we said on a couple episodes ago it ain't about how much money you make is how you manage that money absolutely so uh man i had a state of depression man like it was understandable some points man i felt like i was i wanted to kill myself uh because i wasn't that guy anymore i wasn't tony creasy i was a regular guy now and i was like i didn't i didn't think i could make a great living as i do now off working in corporate america um and which i have so that's that's that's how i was saying about it it's a journey man it was it's a journey it's a journey yeah i think it's a testament though uh to how you you you uh introduced yourself yeah right you said a follower of a christ a father a fiancee right so that is who you are now yeah yeah and the thing is that's who you were then you just had to go through a journey to understand what those titles were absolutely and the roles um that you had to play within them yeah yeah that's exactly it man i remember uh just speaking about when dez was training me man like what's and this is just not i never told him this and this isn't to promote his business this is me being truthful um i remember us training and half of the times a lot of the times i would say more than half i want to say he was always talking about god always leading us to god talking about what god has done for him um and that's one of the things where when i hit my hard point i'm like i don't have anybody to lean on and i was i remember is this always talking about god god and i'm like well who's this guy let me go try to lean on him real quick and see where that takes me right um and man i'm here today i've been able to tell the story more than happy to tell this story uh when a lot of guys were shy away from opportunity i love to sit down and talk about this it's important it's important man and i think it shows a true testament to where black men are today to accept and take on that challenge of vulnerability you know i mean sometimes men are embarrassed by you know their failures their ups their downs that we talked earlier about wins and losses but i think it's a two testament so kudos to you all and definitely pat yourself on the back for having the courage to come forth and have that discussion because it's always a talk about being at the top of your game and where you were winning that but it's very few conversations about you know what when things didn't happen the way that i wanted them to this is how i dealt with them yeah from a true for honest place and carlos tell us your experience yeah so i i think for me um my journey was a lot different from you guys um for me i was a little under the radar a little bit um which is which is cool for one i wanted to go to hbcu and i wanted to go to a division one school um so coming out of school you know it was just something that kind of you know fell in my lap really well i always knew i wanted to be an athlete um because my mom and i probably talked about her a lot on the show because she's like a motivator my rock she's pretty much everything she played sports you know was hall of fame at um federal state uh university and basketball track and softball wow um so she's like you know the person that pretty much who made me who i am today um but you know me growing up man in high school you know it was not more so of just being a great you know football player or being this great um you know athlete it was just something that i was like technically good at um um so i ended up going to winston-salem state um you know becoming a four-year starter there um and and pretty much man you know it just kind of went from there and um just from moving you know transitioning to the league um it was just a lot of things that you know i had to adapt um because coming from hbcu division two hbcu to the national football league is is different yeah it's a lot different versus we're talking about speed we're talking about size we're talking about just overall um philosophies of of of the game of the game of football um because when you're talking about black college there's a black quarterback he can run he can he can you know scramble but in in the league he was more sort of dissecting the defense it wasn't more so of just you know scrambling out of the pocket or if my first read is not there or my second reader's not there i may have to try to do a check down or something like that but it was more so for me um just just being able to adapt to you know that college world versus you know the nfl world nice i got a question for you man tell me tell me about the hbcu experience man i didn't get that experience right i went to a pwi i wanted to transfer though yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah boy hey boy i used to go to uh i said my sister jessica creasy was always on the show uh you graduated from san luis obispo yeah man i think i used to be i think homecoming more than my own so man tell me about that man let me i want to hear a little bit about um so for me um like i said my mom went to federal state so i kind of had that background when i was like legit i was like five six years old going back to the to the bronco land and seeing the band seeing the football uh seeing the football team seeing the basketball team seeing the cla basketball tournament from when i was a little kid so that was really a dream that i always wanted to have yeah um but just the love the camaraderie um the the school size um just thinking about duke or thinking about nc state you may have thirty thousand fifteen thousand twenty people at that school you know so i'm thinking about a class size you know at three hundred two hundred people versus at a smaller six thousand population school where you know i'm in class i know my i know my professor um you know i can hit my professor up right then and there and she can you know email me back versus you've been in a crowd of 200 people she don't even know your name yeah um so just that love that camaraderie that that uh the passion that the teacher um student um you know related you know it's just and then you know frats um i know right that's here and aaron is uh um in the wrong phrase i mean it's just you know it's it's it's love yeah you know like the hbcu experience is like i don't know what you can compare it to this is the thing though me and tony got it in high school yeah that's true too that's true too we got it in high school you know caroline central yeah so no no no hillside oh yeah that was we got it in high school legendary school yeah man but but you're right though like i i legit man duke was hard dude was hard coming from you talked about college to the league high school to a a big time d1 was hard where i could go to friday's tgi fridays and see my coaches at the bar bro my coaches in college dude we would walk past each other and barely speak like it was a different kind of dynamic it was a business yeah truly a business business and uh i think that's one of the reasons why why i wasn't as successful because it it wasn't it wasn't too fun to me anymore right um it was more of a business i'm like man this is like he said you could walk by a coach or coach he won't he speak to you it's like well you're not really it's not really a um you're not really together right it's more it's literally a business yeah it's not it's not what you first what you think is going to be whenever you were kids yeah the coaches they do a very good job creating a facade of what they they want you to believe that school is going to be like um but they don't do a good job cultivating okay okay that they that they give to you as a as a high school kid when they're recruiting you okay when you walk on that on that campus it's put it to you this way because scotty mcgregor probably recruited both of y'all at duke um i was so unaware of the dynamic of having position coaches i didn't meet my position coach until i walked on campus whoa yeah because i didn't know like when you were in high school it was like now this is just my coach like yeah he he's my running back coach but he's just a coach to me but when i got to college it really i saw oh this is a linebacker's coach this is a running backs coach this is a receiver's coach i didn't meet and i pretended pretty sure they did that on purpose i didn't meet my position coach until i walked on campus what do you what y'all think what's the purpose of that for me i mean it was a white guy that never played running back like okay how are you going to coach me on something that you've never done i always you know i always looked at that you know what i mean yeah you know and and you know it's a game that the coaches have been playing for a long time and they know how to win carlos did you did you experience that same thing at hbcu or dude it was a different experience no definitely not um i think for me and the coaches that went to southern state um and i was fortunate enough to have my same set of coaches the whole four years um um when i went to one southern state we were division one but then that next year we we went down to division two okay and once that new once that new wave of coaches came in it was like wow like you know it was it was it was it was sort of like a balance like this person that gave you tough love this person that you can go to to talk about life this person that you can talk to to talk about um academics but it was basically a family to where everybody you know did their part and it wasn't just the running backs with the running backs the linebackers with the linebackers it was everybody you know the linebackers coach may go and talk to somebody's parents about you know whatever um but it was more so like i said that family at the hbc hbcu level is just tremendous to me absolutely i would love to you know think about going to a duke or carolina or something like that but for me coming out of high school i just always wanted to be comfortable and be around people that look like me um versus um you know going to an area where you know i'm foreign which when i came from division two or hbcu and went to the league it was it was different absolutely he said two things that stood out to me uh one imma speak on the the family thing like and overall all aspects of a pwi i remember when uh i was there when obama was president and uh it was to the point man where one time we were walking to the free expression tunnel which is like on nc state's campus you can write paint anything in this tunnel okay now remember they had obama's face and it was like racist remarks around it wow and i was at a pwi right so i'm like yo like this is crazy like this would never happen out of hbcu oh absolutely um and it was to the point where it's like we're playing in front of we're playing in front of y'all 40 50 000 right y'all love us then but let something go wrong and then they hate you um another thing he said he had the same coach for four years man i had two different head coaches and i think three or four different position coaches out there four years right so it was essentially like man out every year i had a new coach right so um so it sounds like the theme is really the lack of rapport yeah whenever it comes down from you know playing at a pwi and playing at hbcu now to shift things a little bit more um how did you examine yourself uh post your professional and college careers like was there a new development of skill that you now had to develop now that you were transitioning like dez you mentioned becoming a principal and transitioning being a teacher is that something that you studied in college how did you come into that path yeah so i i actually double majored in history african-american studies in the education minor so that was my path from the get-go i had a very impactful social studies teacher in 6th grade who who planted a seed in me to to go in that direction for my career and so that's where i was headed the entire time but excuse me i really did have to do some self-evaluating because i was presented with the question in my latter years but i'm pretty sure it had something to do with me being a younger man of who are you it's a famous question like who are you famous guys i heard that a lot and i couldn't answer it right i no longer had desmond scott the football player yeah i was a business owner that was cool but like who are you and so i had to go on a journey to find out who i was obviously i'm a follower of christ like we yeah we know that but who are you what brings you joy anita baker and i had to find out that and once i found that out then i was able to proceed or you know continue on my my life journey but for all of us football was who we were and that's what brought us joy we played football literally every day from age five until we stopped um year-round and so you know tony talks about depression that is a real thing like that is real when you literally it's a death wow right it's a death because it's something that you no longer have no longer you can touch right you're no longer around putting the cleats on you yeah like i didn't watch it on tv once i once i finished playing i couldn't watch it on tv yeah i couldn't the the things that brought me joy was training right like seeing tony go to the page like that brought me joy right so you found out you found a new motivation yeah a new joy versus directly uh relating it to yourself right and when we speak about pi okay when we speak about pivoting man like um i think that that's got to start i don't even want to say pivoting right we got to have life conversations earlier right um a lot of the guys i went to school i can recall them uh getting like university funding and taking that funding right and sending a bunch of it back home um and all through the locker room all you hear is i got to make it for my mama my mama pushed me my mama pushing me but the thing is we as african-americans we got to push our kids in something other than sports absolutely you can still make a lot of money in corporate america starting your own business but we as african americans we so bottled in on you got to play football you got to play basketball so at the end of the day that's all we know that's all we knew um i mean my past was financially incorporated my pops was did great in financial uh in corporate america retired at 48 doesn't have to work again um but i can recall him pushing me in sports right and i and not many two other not other things outside of that right and no disrespect to my pops amazing man like i look up to him i want to be everything he is those were real um but that was the reality and that's why with my son a lot of people like oh do you make him playful i'm like no i don't make him do anything he wants to play because i played but then again like he has no pressure to make it because i got i got him i got my my soon-to-be wife i got me right i got all of us so he has no pressure to make it for us right so if he wants to play and make it it's strictly on him right and you know i had a i had a conversation with a patient uh earlier last week on um the importance of putting your kids in educational related camps and she was like my son want to play basketball you know he wants to do this he wants to do that and i said you know have you um heard of the north carolina stem camp for kids yeah i said if you if you push your sons to be smart in science technology and math you will see their intelligence heightened that at a very very rapid pace exactly i said that'll then give them multiple opportunities because the world is science technology and math yeah you know i said so i said so you as a parent no longer have to worry about your child um and what p what they may pivot to whenever they're in college or what they may take up because they will learn that those things are fun and she was like really you know really taken aback by that and really was like wow i really need to do research on these camps so i said yeah when he finishes up his basketball camp in the summer send him the stem camp because that'll give him the balance that he needs and lois how was your experience um you know as far as developing new skills and for your new professional yeah so i think my my my all-time um greatest you know uh you know attribute is probably to critically think um because in math man you got to be able to remember a lot of different things and when i think about remembering i think about looking at film i'm looking at okay this guy is he's pulling um look at the receiver stance what does he do in this type of stance looking at the offensive linemen where hey if this offensive lineman is hands up it's probably going to be a pass if his hand is down if he's cocked a little bit he's probably pulling so just being able to critically um critically think um was like one of my greatest assets absolutely he talked about um just being depressed um so for me my my my dream goal um was to be a math teacher uh my mom was a was was a 30-year uh 30-year vet um so i like the nfl mlb nf uh um nba that was really not a talk in henderson north carolina um you know my dream job was to hey go to school um be a role model to you know x y or z and you know build them up like my coaches did me like my teachers did me um so just going to the league was it was kind of like a blessing um but it was my my blessing is now right um because when you get emails at 12 1 o'clock in the morning from a student that you'd be like man i just really want to just jack you up like saying after you graduate you know thank you you know coach fields mr fears for you know staying on me for you know sending me or calling mom because i've i've done this telling me to pull my pants up telling me to you know just carry yourself as a absolute gentleman absolutely so right now i'm living my my dream your purpose and you know i think where a lot of people um not really because you know money money is pretty much the root of all evil right and for me i always wanted to just live comfortable not really just to make a million dollars two million dollars three million dollars but you know like my junior senior my junior year i could i was like okay maybe i could maybe i could do something cause you was killing you was killing him but it was a it was a it was a great stepping stone and it was a kickstarter too yeah today but right now it's definitely working right well i want to be you know also my my question for you boys are is how was it dealing we talked about like depression how was the pressure of not living up to the expectations of people around you not of yourself because that's something that you probably dealt with consistently but it was people around dez that had big dreams and aspirations for deads yeah it was the people around carlos that had big dreams the same same for you tony it's people that thought more about you playing in the league more than you did like they saw you rushing for whatever nfl team or you playing linebacker for x amount of nfl teams and so like how was it the pressure of not living up to the expectations of other people so i think by both of them being fathers i think my dad did a very good job at buffering the sports world for me right um he gave me everything that these people gave me so it didn't really matter what they said to me because my dad was already telling me right so me and him were good i really didn't care that's all what they had to say uh and so when i was able to you know tell him like look i don't want to play football he was good with it that's all that mattered um so i think like being a father it starts with that relationship um because like i didn't do interviews my dad did all my interviews until he felt like i was capable enough to hold a conversation that didn't that made me sound intelligent okay right so he was that kind of buffer okay okay so i i was totally different um my pops was the same way though i possibly was a realist tell me what i'm doing great tell me what i'm doing bad but that's desmond a little bit older than me so by the time i'm not saying he's super old but while i was in college social media was a thing social media was huge that's when it had blown up so um the fact that you can post a highlight on something somebody sees you go crazy you get all these fans and followers so for me i think as i look back on i think that's where most of my depression came from is i didn't live up to what people expected me to be right i think that's where my depression came from because who isn't happy about making it to the nfl right um and i didn't see it that way i was like dang bro i'm finna get cut i'm gonna go back home everybody gonna be talking about me so um that pressure for me was was one of the things that sent me into depression because i just didn't know which move i was gonna make i didn't know what people was gonna think of me what could i what could i've done for you nothing bro um i you're one of the reasons why i came out of that depression with us talking about god with you um just pouring into me because you used to be like bro you got it you got it and and that's one of the things that black men don't do is tell you you got it or tell you how they got it we want to bottle it we want to do it in hey you need to go do this but you won't set the foundation of how that person did it right so um and i think that's what desmond did a great job at is during those times where um i would want to tap out here like hey what's your goal like what you're here for it takes a village yeah it takes a village it really does that was just i was i was about to say that um for me it started when i was in high school um from choosing a hbcu over a ecu over a duke over carolina where i'm having people in my ear like you know even family members sometimes like go to a big school right why are you choosing because you're going to get more exposure more tv time you're going to get and i'm like you know i i was i was always taught if you're good they're going to find you absolutely division three you know pierre garcon uh um nai you got division two which john brown which um he actually john brown is a receiver that went to pittsburgh state if we would have won my junior year we would have played them and but you know him being drafted in third third round um janoris jenkins which obviously he was at florida he was in florida first but then he ended up going to one of the division two schools but he got drafted you know fourth fifth round but um just being able to have that that strong support system um and only and not listening to people you know in one ear and the other thinking about well hey you need to do this because this looks well absolutely you're the only person that can live that that dream so um for me it was just hey it was hbcu and it wasn't nothing else and a quick point to that what i'm noticing too in the shift you mentioned social media you mentioned choosing the school you know dion sanders is trying to make that change right now you know prime is really trying to get kids to understand is no matter where you go it matters what you do right here yeah you know what i mean when you stand up you are probably about two two and a half feet wide and what you do with your feet and your hands is what's gonna push your trajectory absolutely you can go to a usc or florida state or florida but if you don't work hard you're not going to make it right it don't matter where you are and so where he's at jackson state trying to recruit all these guys he's recruiting guys that's that's choosing jackson state over a florida state over over alabama or wherever just to play for an individual who's such a pillar in the nfl community as being a man that you've seen him work hard he's considered arguably probably in some some people's eyes the best cornerback that played the game yeah and he put in the effort he did the flashing this but he was able to back up all the stuff that he said you know and so that's i just want to make that point to highlight the com what you're saying most about the hbcus and and the shift that the game is taking right now we're seeing it in the nba where guys are saying you know what why am i going to go to the you know go to uh play college ball if now i can go to the g league play against professionals and get paid a million dollars or half a million dollars to do it so the shift is is happening roy williams retired coach coach k is retiring you know the blue bloods are no longer the top dogs anymore and so now what we got to start seeing is just you know every dog has their day yeah and there's always going to be a shift whether it's in college football college basketball nba nfl on where people are everybody's having to pivot yeah right now even these young boys coming out of school and since they were kids saying they're going to play for coach kate that's impossible now yeah so now if you if you continue to identify yourself with things that may not be as attainable anymore you have to make sure that you have the foundation which is what i'm hearing from you guys is the is the kind of the the the the theme of the message is the foundation that you have the last question that i have for you guys is overall how did your competitive edge help in your new career because you all played college ball so that means that you're almost it runs competitive runs in your blood evidently like dez you have the the gems now so that's that's your competitive spirit transitioning over into your business life lois you talked about your passion with the kids you're competitive and making sure your kids graduate go to college stay out of trouble you know turn away gang violence yada yada and tony we talked multiple times about how quickly you excelled in your company yeah it had to be your competitive edge and your competitive spirit when doing so so how did that how did that how did that take apart and take a play in your professional life it made a huge it made a huge impact just as louis was saying how uh watching film right he he said uh he was able to see what a receiver may do what a lyman may do um and then just being so particular in that aspect from watching film carried over to his same with us so literally same with me i should say literally all the time while i watch film and notice the small things um which make the bigger picture that's how i i approach every day uh all the small things make a bigger picture um before we go though i got to give a shout out to my sister uh jessica creasy man hello um yeah yeah i can't i can't i can't let us go without that man because she was she was ahead of the game before we even got to this point of high athletes going to hbcus so when i was coming out she was trying to push me to go to winston-salem state um so i got a shout out man because even when i was going through that depression man like i talked about my pops a lot man but that girl right there she held me down during them time hello self held yeah yeah i love self have me down so but yeah man just to i'm sorry i had to i had to get that out but uh just to get back on topic just man just all the small things like the leadership uh abilities the the hard work the just all those abilities uh that you learn in college um yeah for me man my competitive edge and willingness to work um almost uh turned my business upside down because what i noticed was it was a lot of people who couldn't work as hard as we were yeah right and and and people didn't like it people don't like being pushed oh no people don't like being pushed whether it's your clients whether it's your employees and so i had to figure out how to take my competitive edge and my work ethic and and give it to people in doses right because for for us as a bar if my coach should be like yo go run through a wall bet he's telling me i can run through a wall so there must be a reason for me to be or there may be a there must be a way for me to actually run right so my response is gonna be like all right cool where i tell an employee run through a wall they're gonna be like well that's a wall um is there a particular point of the wall that i need to run into yeah like do i need a certain amount of speed like nah figure it out on your own and go run through the wall and for me i took that um that competitive edge and that willingness to work and built this business um and a lot of it came from me working all the time but now it's transitioning into me being a smarter businessman and understanding people and what they need uh and how and how to get them to move and work um but it almost it almost took the business down yeah yeah i'm learning i'm learning that with my my level of communication with my siblings it's like i have to learn how to when to push and when to listen you know and and that's something new just based off my upbringing like i was raised by a single mom and i'm the oldest so excuses there were no exceptions yeah this needs to be done and it needs to be done in a timely manner and we don't have no time for how do i do this if ann's bust about it and so it got me to where i am at a very high rate but i sacrifice how i see life like i can't i've learned that i can't put the no excuses thing on everybody yeah because everybody just ain't built the same yeah you know everybody go ahead i want to make a point carlos mentioned watching film right in film session if we're watching practice if we watching the game coach is going to sit there with his little red button said carlos why you take the step read stuff you're supposed to take right do better and it's a room full of 13 other linebackers at that time and he's literally critiquing you in that moment you can't say nothing else right yes sir yeah yes sir so i i say that to say because that can get us in trouble when dealing with our women right if our women didn't come from an environment where it was this is where you messed up at do better and they had the opportunity to express themselves and say oh well but this is why i did it right we didn't come from that yeah right and so we got to be a little bit softer with our women to give them the ability to say well babe this is why this is why i did it i i know you're telling me i'm wrong but this is why i did it don't you want to hear why i did it where i could nah i don't really care why you did it it was wrong do it better than next story of my life man that's kind of pigging back off of that um you know just that competitive edge of um you know watching film and just being like the greatest athlete that you can that you can be um for me the hardest thing to do is to get a 16 year old kid that's been doing something for so long to change his mindset to change how he thinks change just basically changed his whole philosophy about life right now um you know i teach eighth grade and you know the cool thing is now is to sag is to uh you know be about games affiliations fighting you know drama i mean that's by far i mean it's harder than you know if this guy goes out this guy's coming in hey on a on a out route i gotta keep inside leverage and i can't let him beat me inside like this is way more harder than just dissecting a game of football being a teacher oh man you're a motivator you're you're you're you're you're a teacher you have to know you're dead i mean some people don't even have that like one like the the the county that i that i teach in which is thomasville city they're literally raising themselves 13 14 15 years old sad man so i'm the only person that can lead them to the water and so that you that's a lot of pressure in accountability that you're putting on yourself definitely too and so as and to wrap this conversation up like in all i think the as we go back to it and as we talked about earlier is the self-love loving yourself putting yourself first because the more and more you take care of you the more you can give to everybody else like dez you got the new gym you got your second location open you got to take care of you so that you can be an efficient business man tony the same thing with you you got to be you got to take care of you to be an efficient father and fiance and same thing with you lowest and efficient father husband and teacher in guiding young men into adulthood so i think all in all like the theme of pivoting from the league to business is really just um being easier on yourself um telling these young kids to uh make sure that they that they stay true to them yeah and do it strictly for them i think that's one thing i picked up specifically from what you were saying is that your father put it in your mind that this is about you and i'm already impressed and so you no longer have to impress anybody else and so you you making that decision to choose to do that because your your father accepted you as a young black boy that was something that was critical for you and to just think about if he did not accept you for that and push you to the nfl and no telling him what the rebuttal would have been yeah and type of man you would have turned out to be right so all in all man thank you guys for you know the vulnerability and to into pushing the envelope in regards to this pivot because uh one percent of college uh high school students make it to the nba and make it to the nfl yeah and so i think that's lesson too yeah yeah it has lesson it has i mean nba i looked up some statistics and the nba is the hardest league to get into because of the small amount of players and so kids need to be realistic about you know what if i tear my acl i know i went to the stem camp i know i'm good at engineering i know i'm good at all these different things so i'm going to make that pivot and be the mvp of that league yeah mvp of life yeah you know and i just got to be realistic too absolutely you know and and be honest about your kids talent and and to just be responsible yeah so all in all man pivoting from the league to business um very very good conversation and salute to all you all thank you appreciate you having us aaron your ceo and 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