Coaching Business Tips: How To Stop Being A Perfectionist
welcome back to the show today we are going to talk about a topic that is near and dear to my heart because this is something that i struggled with for a very long time and i know that so many of the people in my community do too so i'm talking about perfectionism and in this episode you're going to learn about the different types of perfectionism and what to do about it to overcome each of these tendencies now if you're new to me i'm kim foster and i'm an md turned coach and my guest today is nicole baker nicole is a life coach who helps perfectionists not only set goals but actually follow through on them nicole grew up in a family immersed in the personal development world and she has been attending seminars and absorbing personal growth tools her whole life which is such an interesting part of her story and i think that you are going to love hearing about it another really cool part of nicole's story is her background in theater and in fact how that played a role to pursuing her path to becoming a life coach you can also tell that she has a performance background because her energy is amazing and i know that you are just going to love her you are going to learn a lot during this episode including the free the three types of perfectionists as i mentioned and how to overcome your own particular brand of perfectionism and perhaps most importantly how you can use all this knowledge to directly impact your marketing approach for your business so let's dive into this conversation well hey nicole welcome to the show thank you so much for having me this is i'm i'm stoked for this conversation truly yeah i am so looking forward to this conversation too because this topic is just such an important one i mean overcoming my own perfectionism was such a key step for me personally and i know that this is something that so many of the women in my community really struggle with and so i cannot wait to hear all your insights and your tips on this issue you know before we get into all the things though i would love to just start with a bit of your background first so would you mind sharing just a bit of your story and what brought you to this work that you're doing right now of course absolutely i like to call it kind of a unicorn story and that is i grew up in a family very immersed in personal development both of my parents worked for some like the top dogs in the industry so i was able to grow up attending seminars i did the ropes courses i watched the people go i am enough and transform their lives in like the early 90s and it was such a gift it was amazing and i fell in love with this work and then i was in middle school and i started getting severely bullied to the point where i developed such high perfectionism because to me it was like it's survival if i am not perfect if i don't show up the way others need me to show up a lot of people please are in there too if i don't show up the way others need me to show up i get hurt and so went on this multiple multiple almost decade of just me being quiet to me really not showing up with full power that i knew was always inside me and i see this in coaches a lot there's always like this little voice that's like i know i can be more i know i can be this amazing thing but i'm putting this like muzzle almost on myself however the big thing that i found my voice in was theater and so i was really able i'm kind of kind of an overachiever and we'll talk a lot about this later when we get into the three different types of perfectionism but i was like if i'm going to school for theater it's going to be one of the best schools in the country so i got into one of the best schools in the country in theater however my confidence still from being small from from playing really tiny was just abundant everything to the point where my voice teacher had to sit me down and say because of your confidence because of how it's showing up in your levels you either need to perform a miracle or you will be kicked out of this program and i was like what like this is my dream i can't leave i can't be thrown out like what am i gonna do so i called my dad who's a life coach and i call him the og life coach baker if you will and i called him and i was like i've been hearing this personal development mumbo jumbo for literally 20 years i need to implement it which is something i never did or else i'm losing out on my dream and god bless this man he coached me no holds barred and for about two years we just like really drilled the stuff in and i i don't want to sound cheesy here but truly my life was never the same again and i learned well first of all spoiler alert i definitely graduated and now i'm actually asked back to the program to give workshops on perfectionism in the space but i learned something so much bigger than that which was your mindset creates your reality and so i actually started working with performers and started working with them on how to show up in a room and how to feel really present how to feel grounded but what i realized was the element of the actor mindset that i loved was the perfectionist and loved meaning the one i loved to get people away from and so i pivoted into perfectionism and just like i it's truly like one of those like the skies parted and like the angels started singing because it was just like i found my home here and i i've been doing it ever since and i love this work it's so fun it's fascinating that is so amazing i love that background i love that you have a theater background and that your dad is actually a life coach like i think that he that possibly he is like the og life coach he is truly i call him og life coach baker sometimes like i call him if i'm like having a rough rough day of coaching or life and i'm just like i need og life coach baker please and he's like got it oh my god how what an amazing resource to grow up with that is so you are lucky he is the reason i am where i am today i owe so much to him and my mom awesome okay so then fast forward like today so what what is the like what are you doing now exactly like who who do you help and what are you helping them with totally so i help perfectionists not only set goals but actually follow through on them because i used to just say i help perfectionists set goals and what i learned is perfectionists are phenomenal at setting goals they have them probably 50 times a day and then they say they're behind on them and they push themselves to the brink normally so what i learned is that there's two different types of how perfectionists go after goals there's the one that says okay not only am i going to open up a business but i'm going to open up the best dang business anyone's ever seen and by the way i need to do it by thursday or else i fail go and burn out ensues right but then there's the other type that looks at okay i need to open up a business okay scrolling through social media it looks like this okay great i need to have this level of business from the jumping point oh dear god that's a lot of work oh god this is overwhelming you know what i'm gonna go do something else procrastinate procrastinate procrastinate yeah so i see these two different types really prominently and so what i do is i help these two different types of people and there's so many branches obviously but what i help them do is chunk it down make this not only obtainable but make it fun because we suck the fun out of goal setting when we put a high expectation high pressure on it so what i do is i help people not only achieve said goals but figure out that you're enough along the way and it's not the goal you want it's the type of person you're looking to become so that's what i hope people do oh my god i love that i love so much about that um okay and so i know that you've created like a real like i think we just got a little taste there of the framework that you've created of for perfectionism so tell me more because i am dying to hear more about your framework of course so when i started working with perfectionists you know we we tend to think of perfectionism as like super type a people like very organized the house looks immaculate the kids are perfect whatever and what i learned is that that is one teeny tiny little branch of perfectionism when in actuality it looks like fifty thousand other things so what i did is i looked at these fifty thousand other things and i figured out they really fall into three categories and the first one is what i mentioned earlier is that overachiever they look at okay boss gives me a project i'm going to make it the best dank project because i'm going to get promoted and then you know i'm going to become a millionaire and like just like expectation expectation heightened heightened heightened to the point where they say and go and they just it like i like to think of if someone feels like their to-do list is ruling their life if everything on your to-do list feels like it's an emergency and you have to do it with the urgency of a house fire odds are you're probably in the over over a cheater over achiever category then we look at the second one which is the procrastinator that's the one who everyone hears that they're if someone hears that they're a procrastinator they're like oh that means i'm lazy no procrastinators are actually some of the hardest workers i know but what they're doing is all the tasks that are comfortable rather than the ones that are scary and move them forward because to be honest most of the time the ones that are scary and move us forward are the ones that are overwhelming if you need to build a business and oh my gosh make a website is on that make a website especially with the you know expectations that a lot of us have on websites maybe from looking at others so on and so forth that can feel really scary overwhelming and out of our comfort zone so instead oh i'm just gonna keep engaging on social media and posting and hoping someone finds me because that's comfortable for some obviously not for all yeah then last but not least is the people pleaser this is the type of perfectionist that says in order for me to show up i need to make sure everyone's taken care of everyone likes me and i show up exactly how they want me to or um you know someone asked me to do something i was planning on working on my business that night oh but they asked me to babysit their kids never mind drop business go straight to the kids it's the i need to make sure i am perfect for other people and most of the time that's because there's a lack of trust for themselves and who they are at their core or at their vulnerability um center so looking at these three different types and if you're wondering which one you are or actually if you're wondering even wait hold on i'm multiple of these i was gonna ask you that i was i was gonna buy my next question because so many of those like they're i mean there's common threads right can you like show up uh in all like features of that can it all be within you so you're saying totally so what i like to look at is almost in different phases or seasons of our life we tend to cling on to one over the other there have been times in my life where i have lived in procrastination station like oh my god everything is so overwhelming and scary you know i'm just gonna watch netflix instead it's fine there have been times in my life where i really leaned into the people pleaser there have been times in my life like i said earlier that i've leaned into the overachiever i've learned that normally we have a home base like one that we tend to go back to more than the others but it doesn't mean that others don't show up now i've had someone literally tell me i've experienced three of these in one day that's totally fair but that probably means you were doing three different types of projects or um goals or habits during that type of day and each of them brought out a different type of perfectionist in you the way i use this framework is not to be like you're the enneagram type three where it's more nurture or give me more nature this is more so that you know shoot when this type of perfectionism shows up i can do x makes sense yes it does yeah okay well let's talk about the x part of that i really teased that nicely it was nice nice segue so thank you how do you overcome like and are there different things that you should be doing for like if you're noticing one particular type of pattern one of the perfectionist types what are you doing to overcome these totally and i like to look at each of the different types has its own little section of overcoming if you will so going in order again with if we're starting with the overachiever again it's go go go push push push the overachiever tends to think most often i'm behind what's next um they like to think that like other people are putting an expectation on them sometimes that like you need to be like this high high high achiever a lot of the times that'll come from childhood or stuff like that but the best way to overcome this type of perfectionism is the type that people really don't want to hear and that is you've got to slow down if you keep who is i think marie forleo says if what you're doing isn't working stop doing it harder this is truly the motto of these pete of this group of perfectionists because you're push push push push push and you are not going to find happiness in the push push push the only way to overcome this type of perfectionism is to learn that life will still be okay in fact i argue that it might even be better if you slow down yeah and especially in marketing i tend to see this with like people feeling like they need to put out like a program a month or they need to do like a freebie every two weeks or stuff like that where it's like i have to like keep keep putting out content keep putting out content keep running on content when in actuality when we slow down and really focus on one thing old magic happens truly moving on to the procrastinator if you are looking at let's do the website example because this tends to be a really fun one um if i'm looking at website and i say okay i need to build website by the way it has to look like you know all these insane influencers who have like 100 000 followers and probably a team of like 50 helping them out you know exactly but it has to look like theirs or else i can't launch my business rather than maybe putting it on that high pedestal i like to look at it in chunked down goals is what i call them so if this is like the highest pedestal goal circle it back to what a mini stepping stone goal would be to get to that big goal but what's the very first mini stepping stone goal so odds are it's probably put out first draft of website i like to call it first draft because then it's allowed to be messy it's allowed to be imperfect and then great if first milestone goal is put out first draft of website what are the tasks that will get you from where you are to this first milestone goal and then chunk it down even further what is rather than saying okay thursday afternoon work on first draft of website say okay thursday afternoon i'm going to research three website platforms i know of and sign up for the one i like the best what this does is it eliminates overwhelm which tends to be the procrastinator's number one emanating an end to me excuse me so chunking it down chunking it down chunking it down until it's something that you can sit down and look at and say okay my brain knows exactly what to do in the next 30 minutes then last but not least people pleaser this one tends to be a little bit more open but i think it's good for people pleasers in my opinion the like i said earlier the number one reason that people pleasers will always go to other people always go to other people is because they're putting them on a pedestal and they're putting themselves on a lower totem pole meaning they probably don't trust their own voice they probably don't trust their own choices or their actions the best thing for you to do if this is you is do something that gives you the space to start learning about what it is to trust your own self personal development therapy coaching mentorship um i like to say one of the best versions of therapy is starting a business because you learn a lot about yourself definitely but you know rather than feeling like you have to always do things for other people start working on yourself and you'll learn how awesome you are where you don't feel like you need to put others on this high pedestal anymore that doesn't mean you walk around like super cocky like oh look at me i'm awesome there's a happy medium there and it involves trusting your voice trusting yourself and by the way when you do that you tend to not give a damn what other people think about you especially online um that's such a it's a huge ask though right because like to stop caring what other not stop caring but really like to to i like your framework of like okay move you up on the pedestal right like yes and and it's really more that's a more positive and empowering stance than like you know never mind other people right but yeah so it's tough though it's time it is very tough when and that's faced with that every day like all of the you know what other people's thoughts are and worrying about what other people's opinions are and all of those things it totally is and one of the things i like to really highlight in this this branch of the perfectionists is that don't expect yourself perfectionist don't expect yourself to go from oh my god i'm worried about everyone everyone's looking at me what do they think of me oh my goodness two like ooh i'm the coolest person in the room that is such a huge jump rather than looking at that what's jump what's one step towards that can you do that today can you do that this week maybe it's listening to a podcast or reading a book on self-empowerment maybe it is reaching out to a therapist kosher mentor and saying like hey i really need help with this is that something you can do a lot of coaches i think therapists as well do like free consultations sign up for one you know like just start the ball rolling and it is truly a snowball effect because once you start it's addicting like once you start learning about like wow this is what it feels like to really feel good in my own skin you want it more and more and more of it for sure yeah right so taking that first step because that's such a good point like that can be such a barrier because you can see exactly inherent to being a perfectionist you can see where you want to be and you want to be there like yesterday yeah exactly but i think go for it yeah yeah but but it's it's like accepting that there's a gap right like just kind of being okay with the fact that you're not there yet that is where you're headed but you're just gonna have to be comfortable and that is that's uncomfortable territory i think for a perfectionist who wants it like you know immediately snap their fingers this is this is my new reality but yes it's it's so much about the journey i think even just looking at all branches of perfectionism one of the number one lessons i have learned and i see in my clients in my community is quite literally what you just said stop focusing only on the outcome if we say i will only be happy once my amazing super awesome super high influencer website is launched that is the only time i will be happy now we might not consciously think that but if we have an unconscious rule around that it is going to be a painful experience rather if we start learning to be happy along the way feel success in these smallest things this stuff becomes a lot more fun and when you're happier when you're more fulfilled on the day-to-day your energy's higher your motivation's higher your mindset's clear you're able to actually do more which is kind of like the fun little like bonus because so many of us want to go go go do do do as much as possible we live in that really like fast high energy high paced society when in actuality burrowing ourselves into the ground saying i'll only be happy when this is done is actually making us i mean slower but other than that unfulfilled and our time on this planet is so short why would we spend any second of it not chasing fulfillment in the day-to-day yeah and enjoying the journey like enjoying the ride along the way right like not just focusing on the end point i love i love the all of those ideas i want to circle back to like the first type of perfections that you mentioned the overachiever because really the antidote to the overachiever is to slow down but how hard is that to do because i definitely identify with the overachiever archetype that you've got going on here um and like just to say oh slow down to an overachiever is like you know just jump jump jump in the air and just stay there for a little while like what's the problem so talk to me about some strategies and some like ways that people can actually embrace this and start to implement it totally i first want to touch on why it is so difficult because i like to know like the neurology and the neuroscience behind why is our brain so comfortable in go go go go go push push push and it is just that if we do something enough we find it comfortable if we um uh if like maybe we're okay i'm gonna push myself to burn out every single day if i end the day and i'm not burned out then i didn't work hard enough if we do that enough times our brain will start perceiving that as the standard the norm the comfort zone and when we do anything but that like slow down and maybe don't get as much done during the day all the alarm bells going off it's like what are you doing this is not the normal and when we go so far outside of our comfort zone our prehistoric brain like pops in it's like hey um when you go this far out of your comfort zone at least in you know back in my day this month a saber-toothed tiger is gonna get you is a saber-toothed tiger gonna get you when you slow down probably not but our brain is a little dramatic and it likes to think that i'm keeping you safe by keeping you go go go push push push yeah so it's going to feel really uncomfortable because it's outside of our comfort zone so some strategies i'd say in this are don't be like okay you know i'm going to slow down so that means i'm going to lay on my couch and do nothing listen to nothing i'm just gonna sit there in the silence for the love of all of your sanity please don't do that you'll need a straight jacket by the end of it i promise you but instead think of what's something that's still active but brings me to the present moment so for me this is what i was just having this conversation with a client earlier for me that looks like getting out my paint by numbers kit putting on a podcast that makes me feel really good and paint by numbers inc for you know 30 minutes to 45 minutes that helps slow me down but it's still active it's something that still feels like all right you know like i'm i'm doing something because if i would just sit on a couch and i'm going to assume you're rather similar um if i were to just sit on the couch in silence i would lose my gosh i'd go nuts right so for high achievers rather than going from 100 to zero what's 60 that's good and eventually you can work your way back like now i've started like a meditation routine in the morning and it's lovely when i first started it i was like but i have stuff to do like but with enough repetition it becomes more comfortable so i think two things here one what is 60 and what will get you into the present moment that's kind of a double-edged question and then the second thing is know and anticipate it's going to be uncomfortable you're not going to be a master at slowing down right away just like you weren't a master at driving a car right away it's going to feel weird it's going to cause a lot of conscious thinking but holy moly it is so worth it yeah that's great those are some great ideas definitely doable like definitely actionable i'd love to know you know how can people use these ideas because of course we're talking about business and you know our audience with a entrepreneurs building their businesses so how is this all of this work that you do how can that directly impact their businesses and their like marketing approaches and all of those kinds of things totally i think that with businesses perfectionism is like the soul killer i'll call it that yeah um you and i were just talking off air about like imposter syndrome in businesses if i have it in my head okay i'm starting my business i'm gonna go on social media stories because i know that's what you're quote-unquote supposed to do as a business owner but okay i've been watching influencers and those high-level coaches for the last three weeks oh my god that's how i'm supposed to be i'm not good enough for that oh my god what am i doing and then of course our little limiting belief season opening and it talks us out of it so perfectionism when it comes to business that can show up in how you show up as a business owner and especially when we're first starting out you are the business a lot of the times we don't have teams or at least big teams like kind of picking up like things that we don't want to do or stuff like that it's it is you and you are the face of it and it can feel really overwhelming and intimidating so my biggest recommendations for anyone listening is to kind of lean more into like maybe you don't identify with the people pleaser but i would identify with the the what to do to overcome people pleaser technique which basically circling back is start getting your voice on that same pedestal as everyone else you have something to share or else you would not have opened a business trust that and trust that with enough practice with enough repetition that instagram story will look just like theirs but by then it won't matter because you'll be so confident and secure with who you are i think um i don't i have a podcast and when i first was thinking of starting it i was like oh my god i've been listening to these like top 10 podcasts of like they're so good they know exactly what to say they're so articulate and blah blah they never say um's or us apparently editing didn't really occur to me when i was thinking about this and i recorded the first episode i kid you not like 15 times because it just was never perfect heavy air quotes and finally what i did is i went back and listened to some people's very first episodes that's a good move spoiler alert they suck mine mine sucks i literally dare anyone listening to go back and listen to my very first episode of my podcast it's horrible but i leave it up there because i want people to hear where i started and i do it with any podcast where anyone starts versus where they are now we all a lot of us think that when we're starting we suddenly have to be at level 50. but we forget that the people at level 50 also were at level one just no one knew about it yeah or at least a few people knew about it we just see them at level 50. you were allowed to level one oh definitely i'm gonna gonna step off my my little high horse so like no but that's so that is so it's so true actually it's so funny that you say this because my my youngest son is um learning to play the violin so he's been learning for about a year and in and he's he's getting a lot better like he was you know we had some family visiting he was kind of performing for them this past weekend is so cute and he's so much better than he ever was and i was just i was actually reflecting on that as i was listening to him and watching him um practice and stuff and thinking about how hard that is for anybody to acquire any kind of skill like that but like if you are a music lover you know what good music sounds like you know like because you've heard it you've been to a concert or your performance or whatever and so to be able to listen to your own sounds that are coming out of the instrument like you know early violin sounds are pretty horrendous oh my god yeah so to be okay with making those screechy like cat squealing sounds and just be like i gotta keep making these horrendous sounds so i'm so i'm like super proud mama here of like my kid who was like he knew what a good sounding violin was and he was okay with being squeaky and scratchy for a long time for months which is a long time for a kid right and now because he was still embracing the terribleness then he's now he's actually starting to get better and it was just such a crystallizing moment for me i'm like that's what it's like for everything like when n or whenever you are learning something new a new skill you know where you want to be and it's just yeah of course especially those of us who do who are like perfectionists you want it to be like that so but you got to go through everybody there's no getting around it right everybody has to go through the squeaky violin sounds to get to the good stuff slap that on a t-shirt and make it merch that was perfect but that's and that's really why i encourage people to do the the stepping stone goal it's good because our brain loves progress it loves seeing like oh checked that box off what's next it loves feeling like it's making forward movement and if we just have that super high end goal result and we're over here like 10 miles away it's going to feel like forever and again our brain loves progress our brain's going to feel like oh my god this is taking forever are you even trying even though you're trying your hardest right and it's just it's going to feel like we're beating ourselves up until finally we either throw our hands in the air and quit or we decide to change our approach right so i really encourage people to chunk it down into those little milestone goals because like you know let's use the violin for example like if maybe like being you know a concert carnegie hall violinist is the outcome that can totally happen but maybe first is like play a scale like exactly and go from there and it's no different in business and somehow we forget that we think it needs to be perfect we need to be making those 10k months right away right i don't know a single business owner who just popped out of the earth and started making 10k 15k 20 000k months you start with very like you know just like figuring it out you start with failing trial and error my coach calls it throwing spaghetti at the wall i'm seeing what sticks you know but you can't do that if you expect perfection out of each of those noodles because it'll take you forever and it will probably make you want to burrow your head into the ground of just sheer exhaustion yeah and that's that leads to the like you said the second archetype there the second type of perfectionist that you have there is just like feeling so overwhelmed with the monstrosity of this huge task ahead of you that you just are like uh no can do i'm just gonna like sit here and do something like you said something that's comfortable that i i know how to do and i am perfect at doing this playing this video game i'm perfect at watching youtube videos like so good at that cut that down yes and so that's what that's what you do but like so you're saying antidote is chunk it down and just like tiny little baby steps when i think that even looks at like a lot of people who are like maybe chasing like you know i need a few more letters behind my name before i can like launch this right that can actually be a form of procrastination because maybe you're a really good student probably going to school or getting a certificate is super safe getting out of your comfort zone and showing up maybe going to help someone and maybe it working really well and maybe a totally tanking and you get up and you try again that's freaking scary but i guarantee you anyone who's like you know i just need to go back and get my masters or i need to go get this dietitian certification in order for me to like it's not going to suddenly make you an expert trial and error makes you an expert trial and success makes you okay we're good let's go on to the next level and then you like this is a great example using a video game no have you ever like and i want to ask listeners have you ever sat down and tried to play call of duty with a seven-year-old you are wiped out in seconds i have never lasted longer than a breath in that game with a seven-year-old but that's because how much practice have they had right they probably went in and they died instantly but they took the little game set back up and can you tell i'm a really big gamer and they like totally they kept going kept going kept going and eventually they mastered it there's a great quote that says life is mastering the art of when to speed up and when to slow down we are so good at the speed up yes procrastinators even you we're all so good at the speed up we're trying to do all the things because we need to be the best at everything whatever you are allowed to slow down and master something slow down and choose one element of a business and go after it with all abandon or do a paint by numbers kit whatever whatever is required at that moment yeah i love that um and you're so you're so right about like needing to get more training or certification i definitely see that a lot and i know um it's just such a it is in for many instances it is a form of procrastination right because you're staying in your comfort zone of still being a learner because learning is we all love to learn right so learning is just beautiful and you feel like okay this is going to make me feel legit um but really you know you need to just like you said you got to get yourself out of your comfort zone and start the doing even though it's going to be ugly and it's not going to look great right at the beginning but just start the doing um you can always go back and do more learning and stuff if you feel that you really need to fill some gaps but um that is so awesome this has just been such an amazing conversation to call um you know i could continue talking to you about this forever my last question for you you know before i get all your details and links and all that stuff if you did have to distill this down into just like one or two kind of key takeaways for our audience or like what's the most important thing or maybe even just like the first step that they should take to get started implementing on these ideas what would that be i'm going to cheat and do a stuff no problem no problem i say first and foremost i have a quiz uh where you will learn exactly what type of perfectionist you are and it has all these breakdowns that learn you learn about the pros and the cons of each different type if you go to lifecoachbaker.com forward slash quiz you'll be able to take it it's totally free hop on there but i'd say if you're wanting to figure out the perfectionist type i'd go there okay however this is a really good question you have something important to share the re you no entrepreneur just decided to start a business because i don't know it seemed easy no one does that it's because we have a fire in us that cannot be put out the more we let perfectionism rule our business the more that fire gets dimmed let the fire speak you have something important to say and it's okay in fact i would even argue that it's celebrated if it's messy let it be messy yeah i love that that is just the perfect note to end on i couldn't possibly agree more and just such a such a good piece of advice too to internalize let it be messy i love it okay so like i said before we go just tell us where we can go to learn more about you and um you know your work and connect with you all that stuff totally i am most active on instagram i'm at lifecoachbaker all one word all lowercase you'll be able to find all things on there i love reels i think they're funny and i like calling out perfectionists on real so if you like a good laugh go on there um i also have my website which is lifecoachbaker.com you can learn all about my courses my one-on-one coaching program and even book a free 30-minute call with me where we literally just coach for 30 minutes and it's super fun so you can learn all about that at lifecoachbaker.com and then i mentioned the quiz earlier going
taking that quiz right figuring out exactly what type of perfectionist you are again in this season obviously but um you'll learn a lot of really good takeaways from that yeah that quiz sounds awesome i'm definitely taking that i have kind of a sneaky feeling i know which one i am but i i think i think you're spot on with the overachiever but i'll be cute let me know i'm curious i will i'm gonna do the quiz and then i'm gonna tag you on social and let you know okay sounds good thank you so much this has been such a pleasure thank you so much for having me this has been awesome all right well i hope that you enjoyed that conversation as much as i did and if you do identify as a perfectionist or a recovering perfectionist i hope that you got a ton of value out of it and have some action steps to take now you know and maybe a new approach for how to not let perfectionism get in the way of building your business i would love to know your thoughts on this do you identify as a perfectionist or even as someone with you know like perfectionistic tendencies so just let me know in the comments if you're watching this on video or of course if you're listening on podcast then go ahead and find me on instagram and let me know now if you haven't heard me mention my membership club that is going to be launching very soon let me just take a quick sec just to let you know about it so this is a monthly membership it's called the wellness ceo club and in this program you're going to get access to so many things that will help you to build and grow your business you'll get my complete training curriculum a new business bundle every month you'll get access to an amazing community of like-minded entrepreneurs and so many resources to help you hit your next level it's all the know-how that you need along this journey plus a really amazing uplifting community to turn to for support and connection so we're going to be enrolling in early april and the doors will only be open for two weeks so if you're interested in learning more there are a couple of things to do one is join the wait list and the link will be in the show notes um and the description box and the other thing to do is to register for the free video series that i will be sending out in early april it's called how to make a difference in the world and create a better life for yourself this video series is going to be full of inspiring stories strategic steps and juicy insider information on you know how to do exactly what the title describes how to make a difference in the world and create a better life for yourself again it's totally free and i'll put the registration link in the notes and the description box all right that's all that i've got for you today on today's episode have an amazing week and i will talk to you again very soon you
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