"De-Microsoft-ification", Polarizing Tech Topics, and Programmers in an AI World
I've been out of town. Really, I've been out of town for a little while. I went up to Nova Scotia. So Nova Scotia, the ends of the earth as some people say out there. But it's a province and an island that's part of Canada to go to 45Drives. And we got to, we as in other tech creators were invited, we were invited to a summit and the summit was called "De-Microsoft-ification" which is it's kind of hard to say until you say it like 15 to 30 times, which I think I have even more. But that was really, really a summit to get some people
together on YouTube who are into Linux into open source into infrastructure into services and some into enterprise to kind of talk about, you know, ways that companies, specifically companies or enterprises can evolve, I guess, from using proprietary solutions. And so, you know, it's a little bit different lens than doing it at home, right? For me at home, even at home, I can't. For work, I actually could. So I'll break it down a little bit. So it was all over the place. So it was talking about, you know, replacing desktop Linux, right? I think Linux has already won Linux has already won the server room, right? They won there's there's there's no competition. Linux wins, right? So I think the next evolution is kind of what 45Drives is thinking about is, you know, Linux on the client. And then on top of that, you know, getting rid of some of their proprietary solutions. And I guess
I should just do a little bit deeper dive since I didn't get to talk about it that much on the on the video. But that's what this is for. So it was a lot of people brought a lot of different perspectives. Some people brought their Linux perspective, you know, their enterprise perspective, whatever. And we it was kind of an open topic to talk about whatever we want. I actually went last this year, the year before I went first, I was nervous to
go first. And that and but I was glad I went first last year because I got to say all the new things. I went last this year, and I felt like I was repeating everything everyone said. But anyways, that aside, what what 45Drives was was trying to get out of this was, you know, some ideas and things on how they can move away some from some proprietary solutions. One of the co founders there was basically saying that, you know, he, you know, he doesn't agree with with a lot of company or a lot of, I just say Windows, he doesn't agree with Windows privacy or or lack of data, data sovereignty. And, you know, he runs, you know, he, let's just say he's not just building cases, like their parent company, proto case, builds prototypes for like NASA, right for for for government agencies. And so he's, he has to comply with
all of the privacy and security laws of all of those companies. And so he he just is is at the point where he thinks that, you know, he doesn't, I think his words doesn't want to be, you know, some other companies proprietary solution to kind of dictate, you know, what what how his data should be handled. And so it's, it's, it was a long good discussion. And you know, being seeing his point of view as a as a, I don't want to say small business owner, it is a small business in size, but they're doing big businesses with big agencies, government agencies, you name it. But I can see I can see his point where, you know, his,
his job, or internally, his business tools shouldn't change on him, unless he wants them to. And he was just talking about the the frustrations, you know, that he has, you know, this was the backdrop of the whole thing, the frustrations, you know, that he has with Windows in general, and how, you know, Windows wants to reboot in a pretty important, you know, meeting that he's on, you know, and he doesn't want it to reboot, wants to patch it wants to update it wants to change the UI, you know, and wants to change all kinds of things that, you know, he claims that has no value for his business. And he's at the point where he says that, you know, as we saw with CrowdStrike and other things, and that's just one example where, you know, he wants to be at the point where the whole world could be down using Windows or whatever. And his business will still be running because he chose all of his solutions and he's running on Linux. Obviously, you know, that that that, you know, that's that's kind of a pipe dream. And that that same thing could happen to Linux. He's he's
well aware. But anyways, it was a lot of talks like that. It was really fun to hear everyone's perspectives. And I got to meet a lot of people that I've, you know, respected and seen over the years. So that that was pretty fun. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I got to meet all
kinds of people got to do all kinds of things. And it was a little bit tough, though. It was a little bit tough, like for me, you know, I went into it like, I'm not gonna lie, like, I'm a fan of Microsoft stuff. I use Microsoft products. I'm pretty okay with Windows, right? I'm okay with Windows, like I, but I'm, you know, I'm a consumer, I'm not running a business. I don't, you know, I don't have all these extra requirements or use cases that a lot of people do. So I, you know, me personally, I'm totally fine with Windows. I actually enjoy Windows. I'm, you know, and I kind of made this clear to both before I went. And
during my presentation that, you know, I didn't want I didn't I hoped it wasn't going to be a Windows bashing or a Microsoft bashing thing like that. That's not something I want to be a part of. Do I joke about it sometimes? Sure, sure. You know, it's easy. It's easy. Do I joke about Mac? Do I joke about Apple, Android? Yes, I do. Because it's it's fun and it's easy and people can relate. But I didn't want to be a part of a larger group of people that
are just going to bash a product all day. And that's not what it was. And they made it clear from the beginning. That's not what it was. Because I made it clear too, that I didn't want to be part of that. So anyways, that's not what it was at all. And the Microsoft "De Microsoft". Now I'm messing it up. The "De-Microsoft-ification" was really just a play on words, you know,
to kind of get people not excited, but to kind of frame it up like, hey, you know, big companies like this have proprietary solutions that are kind of locking you in. And it was kind of coined by them. And so when I saw it at first, I was a little bit worried. I was like, eh, you know, I kind of like Microsoft stuff. I use VS code all day long. I like Windows 10 and 11. You know, I'm cool with this stuff. Like I, you know, I don't want
to be, you know, bashing this stuff because I respect Microsoft as a company and I like their products. So besides Internet Explorer, that was one I didn't like. But I can see like that I could poke fun at it. But you know, at the end of the day, I still appreciate their products. And, and I always have there's no changing in, you know, just because I run Mac, I run Linux, I run Windows, you know, I, you know, I still, I still appreciate a lot of the products from Microsoft. So, so anyways, that was, that was fun. And it was interesting and it was, it was great to hear a lot of people's perspectives. And, you know, I will say this too, like, you know, I also made it clear, like, hey, like, if it, like, I understand, like people's frustration, who I'm seeing new stuff, new stuff, I don't know, I'm going to get into the events. I do apologize. I didn't call them out. I got too excited to
talk about this. And I'll call them all out here in a second. But what I was what I was was also made clear is that, you know, if Microsoft has, has provided created a lot in this world, you know, right or wrong, however you feel about it, they've created a lot. And at least for me, it's provided so many opportunities for me, going all the way back, you know. And so, you know, I, I, I always keep that in the back of my head that like,
hey, if, if a lot of these products didn't exist, I may not be where I am today. You know, when it comes to, when it comes to windows, when it comes to Active Directory, when it comes to, you name it, SCCM, like all these business enterprise products that, that help a business run, you know, I, I, I've had to work with or support or build or, you know, engineer solutions for. And even right now, you know, I write my code all day long in VS code where that's open source. So, you know, I wanted to make that clear too, that, you know, Hey, I, I, I, I don't think I would be where I'm at today without their products and arguably that could be some other company, right? If it was some other company, I don't want to say like, you know, Hey, only Microsoft, like it could have been someone else, but you know, with a lot of these proprietary solutions, you know, I, I wouldn't be where I am today if, if they weren't there. So anyways, that was, you know, obviously a lot of, no one
there was like, I hate all this stuff. You know, I hate proprietary stuff. Well, it won't go that far, but for the most part, I, you know, for me personally, I, I tried to keep it fair and balanced. That's what I try to do because I, I try to be the balancer, you know, when it, when, when, when things swing too far one way, I try to balance it out the other way. My wife hates it because she's always like, what, why can't you agree with
me on this stuff? And I'm always trying to give her a different perspective. I do it a little bit to troll her too, but anyways, that was kind of my trip. I'm, I'm happy to answer more questions, but I wanted to just kind of like get that out there and kind of frame up anything just in case you had, you know, little, little questions or wanted to know what it was like being there. But other than that, I mean, including that it was,
it was all great. It was, it was all great. Like just being able to set aside some time, it was six days, it was a long time and it was a long time for me, you know, being a solo creator, that's, that's a long time to put aside to, to, to not create content or build content or anything like that. But it was definitely worth it to be able to connect with, with not only 45Drives, but the other creators that went with me and get to see them in real life. All of the people there, I, I, I've been in a discord with them for, for years, maybe plural, and outside of crack computing, that was my first time meeting everyone else. So, and I got to meet Wendell last year. So that was awesome too. Anyways,
I'll stop talking about that unless you want me to keep talking about it. I'll get into questions and we'll go from there. So anyways, yeah, that's kind of been my, my last week and a half and then, you know, release that video kind of talking about it. And yeah, that's been it. I'm, I'm, I'm working on a couple more things. Today was kind of a, I'm
going to redo part of my studio or my office. When I'm at home, I call it my office. But when I talk to people on the internet, I call it the studio. I don't know why. I should probably just say my home office. But if I say home studio, then it kind of frames up, oh, that's where he does the recording and stuff. Anyways, so I'm, I'm, I'm changing some stuff in here.
Nothing you're going to see, but giving myself some more storage area in this place because I'm, I'm, I'm tired of running up and down stairs to grab a couple of things. And you can see all the projects I have stacked up there. I would like to stack some of those projects on a shelf, you know, for a day so I could film and do stuff and then put them right back without having to put them on the floor and tripping over them. So real quick,
before I forget, what I'm, what I'm drinking on today, I usually talk about the, the seltzer water, bubbly water, angry water, whatever you want to call it that I'm drinking today is a little bit different. I was going to go for just some water in the Nalgene again, which I have some plain old water back there, some still water. It should be fancy and say it. But I decided, Hey, I'm on the stream and not going to say, Hey, I'm drinking tap
water, you know, maybe, maybe I'll feature Minneapolis tap water next week. Cause that, that could be a good one. Anyways, I'm drinking this. It's a, it's a, it's kind of a knockoff of Dr. Pepper. Uh, but it's called, uh, it's called Dr. Cherry vanilla sparkling water. And this again is another good gather. So that's a target brand. That's target only. Uh, but this is a little bit caffeinated, uh, and it basically tastes a little bit like Dr. Dr. Pepper. So a little bit of cherry, a little bit of vanilla and a, yeah, just a hint, not as good as the cherry cola one. I like that one better. Not as good as the
cherry cola one. Uh, but this is, this is pretty good. It could use some more cherry and it could use some more vanilla and it could use some more doctor. How about that? But that's, that's kind of what I say with every, every, uh, every drink. So anyways,
that's what I'm drinking on today. And I have an Al gene around here somewhere that I'm drinking on. No ad today. I just decided, uh, I'm going to go bed head all day. Yeah. All right. Let's, uh, let's get into comments and let's, uh, oh my gosh, someone's ringing the doorbell. Hey, sorry. Sorry. I'm, I'm, uh, on a call. Uh, someone's ringing the doorbell and I saw him, but I'm definitely on a call. Um, so let's get into comments.
Let's see. Uh, music driver. Oh, did I? Yeah. This is the first one. Music driver. Good evening. All right. It's, it's afternoon here. It's getting close to there. Uh, yes, if you need to go. Yes. If you need to go, Oh, this is because I said we had get it. I get it. I would say we, cause that's the, I always have to test the, my, uh, the comment system to make sure they, they appear here. Pussy cake. Yes. It has been four years. We talked
about that. Appreciate it, man. Oh yeah. My, my old logo that, that is my, that was kind of my logo when I started and funny story, I was just cleaning out a bunch of my, I was basically like de hoarding, um, a lot of my data that I've been hoarding. And so, Whoa, uh, dude, thanks for the sub. Am I looking at the right thing? Dude, Tukano speak about long time talking about a long time to Tukano 44 month anniversary. Crazy. Now I'm starting, uh, to train for my a plus and CCNA. I've been a huge help and getting me more involved in the tech field. Yeah. Oh, I appreciate it, man. I bet you got it, man. Tukano. You
got this. You've had this from day one. You were like talking about all the things you were doing. I think you, I think one of the very first things I remember about you, you were, uh, you're painting, you're painting a rack. I think you were painting a rack white.
And I was like, that is awesome. And it inspired me to get a lighter color rack too. That's why I have a lighter color one in my, in my, in my data centers, because I remember you were painting a rack white. I'm like, yeah, why, why aren't racks white? And then I kind of, I was like, it looks so clean. Anyways, dude, Tukano, thank you so much. Appreciate it. You're, you're, you're already there with tech. You just, you just, you just happened
to find me. Uh, I remember you all kinds of stuff. You had VCRs and you were, you were dubbing videos and you were doing all of this crazy stuff. And I think you were like 14 at the time. I'm like, man, this guy is so far ahead of me in some areas and he's only 14. He's not now. It's been a while. I think that's how old you were when, when, when you first sub. So anyways, dude, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Um, my men's,
Hey, how's it going? Uh, Phantom way. Hey everyone. I usually don't make these live, but anyways, uh, enjoy watching the VODs on YouTube. Oh yeah, that's good call. Yeah. They will be, uh, live. I tried to get them out Sunday or Monday. Depends on the editing cause I now I've been doing a little bit of editing before I post them up, uh, just to kind of clean them up. But, but yeah, they will be on my other YouTube channel, uh, Monday,
either tomorrow or Monday. But me, how's it going? Hello everyone. Uh, under curb TV. What do you think is the best VPS provider, uh, based on price? Ooh. I mean, last I checked last I checked Linode, Linode was kind of the go-to. I haven't looked in a while, so I could be wrong, but the whole like five bucks, five bucks for, you know, uh, for VM, if that's what you're going after, uh, was, was pretty affordable. I mean, obviously that's
your compute is going to be low. Your Ram's going to be low, but you know, they're, they're, um, they only go up from there, but, but I think they're one of the few that started at five bucks. I don't know if it's still that way after inflation and after everything else and they got acquired by Akamai, right? So I think, uh, Akamai acquired them, hopefully getting acquired by Akamai help. Was it Akamai? I don't want to misspeak. I think it was, uh, I can't remember. I, if, if I'm wrong or wrong, but hopefully getting acquired by a bigger company, uh, helps you keep your prices down, right? But who knows? You, you never know. It could be, it could be one of those, you know, procom things where it's like, no,
we're going to drive these prices up because you might've been losing money to begin with or we want to gouge. You choose, but, uh, that's what I, uh, so that's, I mean, that's the first place I would look. How about that? Then there's like the whole free tier that some people do, uh, um, from Oracle cloud, which they still offer, which is pretty good deal. He can't argue with free and very few VPS is now, uh, give anything out free. So there's that. Yeah. Volter. There you go. Vulture. Sorry. Volt sure. There you go too.
Volter. Yeah. Volter. I think that's one that craft computing, uh, sponsors too. He's, uh, he's, he thinks it's a good service. I actually talked to him about it while we were in, in, uh, Nova Scotia. So yeah, that's absolutely one too. Then there's like, then there's the, the American hosting. I don't know. There's, there's some other new VPS that's like American hosting or something like that, that, uh, Brett from Radial, who I got to meet in person to sponsored a few times. And what makes them unique is they have, they have load balancers.
They sell like load balancers for 10 bucks that are unlimited egress, which is like unheard of which, which is awesome to get an HA load balancer in the cloud with unlimited egress. It's like incredible, but you know, the, the, the, the thing about having an egress is in the cloud is that you usually have to have your, your, your, your compute and everything else co-located there too. So I get it. I get it. It's, it's what they call a loss leader. I feel like that's a loss leader for them because they're like, Hey, I wouldn't be talking about it right now. A $10 load balancer in the cloud with unlimited egress. That's pretty
enticing. Uh, and I think that's a loss leader for them to kind of get people to get in their cloud. So I, there are lots of options and I'm so glad they're like, you know, I don't want to call them no-namers, but smaller companies spinning up, uh, providing cloud services. It's good to have this competition, you know, the, the, the big three out there are going to, they're going to compete, but they're going to kind of compete more in the enterprise space, right? They're going to compete on volume, right? And so I think when these smaller players going to come in, they're going to compete on like bottom line and where, where I think that's really good, really good because you know, Google, Google, you know, Google, Amazon, uh, Microsoft, they're going to compete on volume, you know, that's theirs. Cause they, they want bulk, but they like smaller customers. Sure. Do they, you know, is that what they're targeting? No. And I think with a lot of these, these, uh, these smaller cloud hosting companies,
they're really targeting small, you know, small to small to medium customers, which is I think good. I think good. Um, Trevor, Hey yo Tim. Oh, we talked about that. Yeah, man, you're hooking your girlfriend up all the time. She's like super going to be super secure for sure. Calgar. Uh, hi everyone. Moin. Moin. Moin. Moin to you as well. Um, Matt. Oh, there we go. Matt. Uh, I love to see your helpfulness each week with your developers. Hey, awesome. Glad to see you on Twitch. Thanks for being awesome, Matt. Thank you so much
for being awesome too. And your continued support, man. Matt is really awesome. He's really awesome. Like I think this, this, this one comment summarizes him cause he's always positive. He's always helpful. All he's missing is a little bit of humor cause he's a pretty
funny guy and uh, if he, his, his humor, he'll slip it in there and no one smiles. And I'm like, are you guys not hearing this guy? He's like, he's like slipping in all these jokes. Anyways, good to see you, man. Boot up the high train. Yeah, man. Uh, let's see under curve TV. I'm going to try to make a product scanner. Ooh, this, I knew about these. I'm
going to try to make a product scanner for my job, uh, using their web store API, but I'm waiting for the BP to be back in stock and it's the perfect base for my scanner under curve TV. What did I miss something under curve TV? You want to make a product scanner. I see. So you want to use a VPS to do product scanning, uh, so that, you know, it's coming from a VPS itself and you're waiting for the BP. I don't know what that is to be back in stock. It's probably some, some, I've heard of the BP, but I don't know what product it is. Anyways, you're waiting for some product to be back in stock and it's the perfect base
for your scanner. So, um, barcode scanner. Yeah, I think, I think you're right. That's where I heard of it. Yeah, I think so. Is it on Amazon? Anyways, uh, I like where you're going with this. I, I've done a few things with product scanning. You could, you could
ask Matt IRL. That's, that's, that's kind of our thing. Uh, and you know, there's going to be all kinds of little things you're going to run into. Um, if it's, if it's, um, depending on the retailer, you're scanning, um, let me put it this way. Uh, each retailer puts measurements in place to block people from scanning products and prices. Um, some put more measurements
in place than others and some are more challenging to do than others. And so you're going to find if it is Amazon, that's one, that one's really tough to scan. Target, Walmart, pretty easy compared to compared to, uh, Amazon. That's like the Holy grail for, for product scanning. So kind of tough to do. Um, but not impossible, not impossible. So, uh, so
yeah, I'd love to see or hear about what you're doing because it's a, it sounds a pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah. There you go. So you scan a scanner. There you go. I like it. I like it. You scan the scanner so you don't have to do the hard work. Alex, I love it. I love it. Cause that's
exactly what camel camel camel is doing is that they're scanning Amazon. And then if you scan them, then you're like, Oh, this is so much easier than scanning Amazon themselves. Uh, yeah, but that, that is awesome. And for a long time, I didn't realize I'm like, how can camel camel camel make any money? Like I was totally oblivious to this. I thought it was like a hundred percent altruistic, like don't get me wrong. Great service of what they're doing, but they're, they're making affiliate revenue. And for a long time, I
was like, man, this is like, they, this is, they are like so helpful and don't get me wrong. They are super helpful. I guess for me, I just didn't understand that I was like, what, what is the, you know, what, what's the business model for this thing? And I figured it out. It's affiliate revenue. So anyways, I like your idea, Alex scan the scanner, scan the scanner. That is such a great idea. And I think you'd, you'd be a little bit easier to scan. Um, the, the, the, the tough part is, is zip codes, right? I don't know if camel camel camel lets you, let you put your zip code. Uh, but for the most part, if it's a
popular product on Amazon, they're either out of stock everywhere or they're, or they're, you know, or they're not right. Um, you don't really need to know, Hey, is it available in my zip? If you need to get down to the zip level, I, I, I don't think it really matters. I don't think it really matters for like retail products like this. So anyways, uh, totally ignore that, but I like it. Scan the scanner. I like where you're going with that. Yeah. Romeo juniors. Yeah. Today's topic "De-Microsoft-ification". Yeah. That was, that was today's topic in today's intro. I'm, I'm happy to answer any questions about it, uh, or talk
about it some more. I just don't want to like have you guys tune out if that's not what you want to hear. So just toss it in a chat and we'll talk about it if that's what you want to talk about. Uh, Seagor, how's it going? Good to see you. Thanks for all the awesome
videos too. Thank you for being around so long, man. 40 months. I appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Good to see you. Good to see you. Uh, Alex, Tim, as a creator with a diverse audience, how do you navigate polarizing topics like "De-Microsoft-ification"? Yeah, that's, that's tough. And it's funny you said this because you hit the nail on the head with something I've been thinking about and it's been on my mind for months, but I'll talk about this. Yeah. How do I, how do I, yeah. How do I talk about something as polarizing as this? I'll talk about what I, what I don't do. Sorry. This is just a scratch. My mustache is getting
out of control. Anyways, you know, it's, it's a, it's a tough call. Like, like for polarizing topics, some people play the political stance where, you know, it's like you kind of ride the line and I don't mean like, you know, whatever politics, I just mean like the, the, the safe spot to be is to kind of ride the line, not make a decision and you know, kind of be okay with either side. And you know, for the most part, I kind of do that, but only because I see multiple perspectives, right? And it's not because I'm like trying to be, you know, politically correct or anything like that. I always try to see like the other perspective, you know, and that's where, that's where I was this whole time. Like, like even during my presentation, the answers that I was giving, I was asking them to look at them critically too, right? Because a lot of things are what marketers tell you or what communities tell you, but you could always poke holes in those arguments too. Really quick, dude, VSTS King, VST, VTS King. Hey, thanks for the, thanks for the, dude, new tier one sub.
Thank you so much. Appreciate it. But for me, it's, it's basically being able to see things from both sides, looking at things critically, no matter what anyone says. I'm, I'm a bit of a skeptic. It's kind of weird because I'm an optimist and a skeptic and it's, it's kind of a weird combination where I'm super, I'm all about anything, you know, that, that tech wise I'm like, yeah, let's try it once. But then I'm also skeptical when it comes to solutions or, or, or marketing or stuff like that. So it's, I don't know. It's, it's a good balance
for me. And that's what I ask everyone to do is just, just try to see things from the other side. And so when I explain things, I try to, I try to put people not only in my shoes, me as a consumer of stuff, but also like in a business shoes or even in Microsoft shoes themselves, you know? And so I, I try to look at things from all directions and, and you know, I try to remind people, you know, when they, when they make a point, just that, Hey, you know, there, there's always two sides to this. And so that's how it's
been for me. I haven't done the greatest job at that all the time. But yeah, that's, that's, that's how I do it. I just, I just try to look at it from all perspectives. Cause it's really easy for, for people to say like, yeah, corporations down with corporations open source only. Yes. Like down with everything. But it's like, what, what happened to capitalism? What happened to like, you know, earning a wage and, and, and having a job, you know? And so like, you know, if people swing one way, you know, I tried to swing the other way, it's just somewhere kind of meet in the middle. So anyways, I, and you know, I'm pretty, I think I'm pretty,
you know, I'm pretty level-headed, pretty practical. And I had a lot of world experiences myself. So hopefully, hopefully that shines through anyways. Yeah. Good question. The answer is yes. So when I was talking about you reminded me of something, it, it, this still goes back to, you know, the true NAS, the true NAS versus, I don't even want to say it true NAS versus unraid discussion. And like how, how that still bugs me, how that still bugs me inside. Um, that some people, and like my approach, I thought my approach
was pretty okay. And it was my own opinion, but it still bugs me how like, I, I, I didn't know how I, how I could have played that a little bit better. And so when you say, Hey, polarizing topics, yeah, that, that is a polarizing topic, but it wouldn't have been a polarizing topic if my approach would have been better. So I guess what I'm saying is now that I understand topics that are polarizing, I also need to understand how to approach them. And I don't think I approached that, you know, was a disrespectful? No. Was I honest? Yeah. For me. Um, was it, you know, was, was it my own opinion? Yeah. Was it based on my experiences? Yeah. I mean,
it was everything like I could, I could look at it objectively and say like, yeah, I, I didn't do anything wrong, but if I take a step back and I think about my approach, especially like, you know, being a creator and having a small platform and a voice, I could have, I could have, I could have approached it a little bit better. And so it still bugs me to this day. Like I saw a comment somewhere that was like, there's Tim, the, the, the anti-unraid person. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm not anti anything. I'm not anti anything,
you know? And it, and it still, it still bugs me to this day. And so, um, yeah. And the, and the funny thing is like, this person is more mad because I, because I gave my opinion about two products than Unraid themselves because Unraid invited me to be on their podcast like two months later. And I was just like, ah, yeah, I need to, I need to, need to, anyways, I need to, I need to have a good approach, a sensible approach on stuff and remind myself that the internet is not like me and a buddy talking, you know, it's not like me and a buddy talking and we can, you know, say one's better than the other and, and argue our point back and forth until, until either someone gives up or, you know, or, or agrees, right? Or agree to disagree. And I just need to remember that. I, I think I got a, I got a little bit,
uh, I guess too comfortable, uh, and just didn't read my audience well, which, which is, which still upsets me to this day. Cause I'm like, man, I probably ticked off half my audience and that's, that is not what I was trying to do at all. I was just, just giving my opinion. And so anyways, I still think about this. I think about it almost
every day. So anyways, when you brought up polarizing topics, that's, that's where my head went right away. Anyways, um, not a huge deal, but that is, that is one regret I have on YouTube so far is like putting two products against each other. And I've done it multiple
times in the past. I've done it. I've done it with rancher and portainer. I've done it with all kinds of software, but for some reason, this one, this one, people really got upset about it. So yeah, I've done it. I've done it with, you name it, you name it, you know, reverse proxies, containerization, you know. Um, but, uh, this time it, uh, people really took it to heart and I should have known that going in anyways, I'll get off that. That's
kind of a, that's kind of a bummer topic to me. So, uh, DJ Keck, good day from the land down under. Hey, good day to you too, man. Good to see you. Uh, it is late there. I'm, I'm assuming it is, I'm assuming it is really late. So you're up late. Thanks for joining and I appreciate it. Hey Tim, Swiss techno Tom, uh, are you "De-Microsoft-icated" after the 45Drives trip? Uh, you know, I'm not. Am I? No, I mean, I was just in VS code like a little bit later. Arguably it's, it's not about Microsoft products and that's an open
source product. So am I, am I, am I D my, so, so, so am I totally, have I ridded myself of proprietary solutions? No. I mean, this is coming from my Mac right now. You know, I mean, no. Um, but I think really the focus was more on proprietary, uh, solutions that lock you in that lock businesses in. I think that's, that's, that's kind of how they were framing it up or at least how they were, that was their perspective is like, you know, they're, they're kind of getting boxed in, uh, by a few, few big companies and they don't want to be boxed in, uh, anymore. And so, yeah, I'm, uh, I don't know if I'll ever be. I mean, like, again, like, you know, I, I, I'm a fan of windows. Like I enjoy using windows and
I might be, you know, the outlier here, but if I get on windows, I'm not like, oh, I hate my life. Why am I using this? No, I'm like, oh yeah, this is, oh, oh yeah. Oh yeah. I remember. I love this file explorer. Yes. Finally a good file explorer, you know, I tell you, so I, I tell you that Mac OS finder is so bad compared to windows file explorer windows file explorer. Perfect. As close to perfect as it can be that we have out of our options. That's what I'll say. You know, browsing, searching kind of slow, but browsing and all the key bad key keyboard shortcuts you have outside of, you know, uh, some performance at times for me, I feel like it's the best experience. There's some times when I'm managing files on Mac OS finder and I'm this close to firing up my windows VM to just, just manage files like yesterday I cleared out, I don't know, probably two terabytes of old a roll B roll, like all this old footage that I'm never going to keep. I finally kind of decluttered
some of my life there. And I mean, it took me three hours to go through all my footage and you know, kind of divide it up and yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. And I did that all from finder and a Mac and I'm like, I am so close to just like getting on a windows VM right now and I would be done in about 10 minutes. Anyways, um, but yeah, so, you know, I, I
don't run a business. I don't own a business. Um, but if I ran one and I, you know, and and I kind of do my own side hustle, but you know, if I, if I, if I had a business where, you know, I, I, I was, uh, you know, had a lot of customers that required a lot of security and um, I had to make sure that that my business was running all the time, regardless of what updates any company pushes out. Yeah, I would consider it. I would consider it for sure, but there are lots, there are lots of cons. So there are lots of challenges when you, when you do that. And that was, that was a large part of my talk is talking about those challenges because it's easy to say, yes, let's do it. It's another thing to actually do it and work through the pain points. And that's what I was trying to highlight through
my talks is that here are the, some of the things you need to think about and not only technical challenge people challenges, you know, people challenge. That's a huge one. You know, Hey, you, you change this on me. Hey, I knew how to do my job yesterday. Now I don't, you know, one story from one guy said that, uh, uh, they were, they replaced, uh, one of their, their internal, uh, ERP systems with SAP and his wife the next day came home crying because she knew how to do her job the day before. Now she doesn't know how to do her job. That's a little bit extreme. It has nothing to do with open source, but it goes to show that like, Hey, you know, when you change tools on people, especially an operating system, and if you look at this, like, Hey, this is a tool for work and people expect you to do work on this, everything changes one day and now it's really hard to get work done. That could be really, really frustrating. Not to mention then, you know,
some of those skills are less transferable when you switch jobs. So yeah, I talked a lot about that. Uh, I actually have my, if you, if you want to see it, I shared it on Google drive. If you go out to techno Tim dot live, uh, and you go to probably the first post we're talking about that video, I linked to my slides in there, uh, not all my notes, but just high level stuff that I talked about if you're interested. And a lot of it was,
you know, not only, uh, bringing up some of the challenges, but also helping people to like look at things critically too. When, when everyone says like, yeah, everything's going to work. No, no, not everything's going to work, you know? And so anyways, uh, I'll stop talking about it, but it came up. So, um, beep, uh, BB clink. Hey, how's it going? Things and salutations from shock. All right. Shock. All right. Another Minnesota. Let's
go. Uh, after getting my network stable a month ago, my first wifi mesh less than a year old failed, took a while to diagnose and replace after fixing that my used Juniper POE switch decided to fail. So I purchased an old Cisco 3850 to replace it. Now, now my network is stable for two weeks. Few not now I hope to, and now I hope to add an enhance from now on. Yeah, that that's a bummer. Like mesh network dies. Your switch dies. That's a bummer. Well, at least, at least, I don't know, silver lining. You kind of got new stuff out of it and it's a stable now. So awesome. Well, uh, yeah, I'm sorry that happened. Uh,
but uh, you, I, things, things will be better. See, I'm an optimist. Things will be great from now on now on. That is interesting that switches died. I've, I've yet to have one die on me personally. I'm sure, I'm sure if, if you do your network engineer or MSP, you see this all the time, right? Or you support a company that has multiple network switches, me and my home scenario. And even with the home cheap ones, I, I, I've been pretty lucky.
Mine might've never died. Basically working on building out my home assistant setup, switching from open hab to LOL. Yeah, you were talking about this. I can't believe like, yeah, he's, finally you've been talking about open hab for a long time and I've looked into it before and it looks pretty cool, but now you're going to home assistant. All right. All right. So it's pretty fun. And I think you're running, you're, you're running MQTT. I think you're, you're,
you're part of the reason why I kept giving them QTT like a third and fourth and fifth look. And I'm glad I did. And so hopefully you've then been able to hook in to home assistant, probably pretty seamlessly with MQTT because it's, it's pretty awesome. And another reason why I like hooking into it, like, Hey, I just got like a firmware update notification from like half of my third reality devices from home assistant. The other day I was like, yes, update my firmware, home assistant. This is awesome. This is how it should be. I wish it could manage all of my firmware for me really at the end of the day. It's actually the MQTT, a Zibi to MQTT that's
managing that. And it's just servicing it in home assistant. Oh, but still cool. I would love to be there where I were really, I could have home assistant manage, you know, firmware everywhere. So it's pretty awesome though. Pretty awesome. It will actually, it will actually check all of my Zigbee devices that are in there. Even some of my Hue stuff yet. It hasn't yet found updates,
but Hue's been slow to release updates too. I think, I think Phillips Hue has been pretty quiet for a while. I think they got something cooking up. That's just me. I, I feel they've been too quiet for too long. Like either they're, they're building a new product line or they're leaning into matter or they're trying to figure it out, but they've been too quiet for too long.
And I think, I think there's something, hopefully that comes up. This is just my feeling. I, you know, when I have my finger on the pulse of certain companies and there's changes like in the ecosystem or changes in the landscape, I'm always kind of like, okay, what, what's going on? Like where are you going next? Right? Where are you going next? So lights appear to be a bus. I think I fixed them. I think I fixed them. We're good now. We're good now. Music driver. Hey, nice to see you again live. Keep one question. I keep one question for the beginning is a VPN tunnel like an upstream
connection or like a land VLAN. How should I imagine? So a VPN tunnel, you can think about it just like, like how can you imagine it? I mean, well, you probably don't, if you're asking, it's, it's a, it's a point to point connection between two IPs that has a layer of encryption over it. And that's how I like to think about it. There's obviously like a whole bunch of handshaking and stuff before they agree and make the connection to, Hey, we will now exchange keys and we will now create this tunnel. There's a lot of stuff and depending on which protocol you use,
it does that in different ways. Um, but just think of it like a route from two, one place to another place that has a layer of encryption over it, uh, that you can, that, that is secured by you or you, you and that other point agree on the key and the type of, uh, encryption, the level of encryption and how you guys do the handshake. Then whatever goes on inside of that route is up to you route traffic through there. Sure. Go through. So then it's, yeah, it's just, I mean, it's kind of like a VLAN then at that point. I mean, if that's how you're comparing it to, I mean, it's just basically another network with another IP, um, that you can route traffic through. So, um, yeah, that's how I like to think about it. I'm not a network person. I've done some in the past, but that's how I think
about it. Just, yeah. Uh, yeah. Encapsulation layer. Thank you. Thank you. And it could be multiple points on a VPN too. Yeah, for sure. You could do like a hub and spoke thing. Yeah. But yeah, encapsulate encapsulation. There you go. It's at the layer. It would be a layer two. I'm out of my league now. Uh, that's how I like to think about it. Hopefully I didn't mess it up too bad. Uh, let me know. Uh, Matt Carlos, uh, you may be late, but you're always a, but thanks, man. I appreciate it. That, that is a nice, that is Matt in a nutshell. This is Matt. I know I'm in person and I've only
met him once in real life, but that, that's how he always is. Mr. DJ Keck, you are playing with VLAN specifically my new TP link layer three switch in Proxmox. There's more to it than VLAN aware bridge. This is awesome. I would love to like, kind of like figure out layer three stuff
a little bit more. I know like, so I use ubiquitous gear and like they've introduced layer three switching on some of those things that I have. And then they've made the management of that a little bit better. I would, I would love to like learn about it some more, mainly so that like my, the way that I understand it when I do switching now, if I do it on layer three, everything doesn't need to go back to my firewall to be able to do that switching. So then I could get probably better throughput on stuff. But, but then there's like a, there's like a whole nother layer of
ACLs that I have to do. And it's like, okay, I understand my firewall rules, but like, what, what do I do with these ACLs now? And they don't seem as flexible. So I don't know. I, I, I, I, I wish they were as easy as my firewall rules. Cause if I could, if I could build layer three, if I could just convert my, you know, convert my, I don't know. I wish it would just kind of do it for me automatically, but I know that's probably not the case or maybe it is. I don't know. David, let me grab a sip.
Being annoyed with Python randomly sending different TLS versions to HA proxy 1.3 works and 1.2 fails not been able to force it to use 1.3. I could see that how that could be annoying. So using Python, you're probably using their client, right? To make an HTTP connection or HTTPS against HTTP protocol. And for some reason, you know, uh, uh, it's saying, uh, yeah, it's trying to connect it. Uh, TLS went at two instead of one dot three. Um, not been able to force it. That
stinks. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure, I'm sure you got this under control and you know what's going on. I figured there was a way to force it from the client. I don't do a lot of Python. I do node stuff and I know I can, well, depending on the client that I'm using, if it's Axios or whatever, um, or got, I think I can, um, in the config. I don't know about Python though, but that's frustrating. That's frustrating. Cause yeah, if it like, you want them to negotiate the,
like the highest, uh, uh, the highest level of TLS it can. And, uh, and, and if you control both sides, it's like, why not one dot three? Like don't do one dot two. I control both sides. Like don't, don't, don't take a lower version. And maybe, maybe, maybe you'd have to do that on the, the receiving side. Maybe on the receiving side you say, Hey, I only accept one dot three and,
and they'll figure it out. I don't know. It's things to look into that, uh, I can, I can point to and I have no skin in the game. I can send you down right in the holes. I don't know. That's where I'd look. I'd be like, Oh, if I can't force it on the client side, you know, it's usually, there's some kind of negotiation, I think between the client and the server where they say, Hey, here's what I support, you know, before they actually make the termination, maybe do it on the other side. Uh, I think on the HAProxy side and just say,
Hey, I only accept one dot three. I don't know. I'm, uh, totally, totally making this stuff up. Hi Tim. Hey, how's it going? Uh, Redstone games. How's it going? Um, let's see. Uh, shepherd, shepherd D Malone. Hi Tim. I wanted to thank you for your awesome videos. Hey, no problem at all. Uh, they're extremely helpful for helping me create bare metal Kubernetes clusters. Awesome. I have a question for you. You use longhorns as a storage solution
for Kubernetes. I do. I'm searching for a good solution for me. How was longhorn going for you? Are there any other storage solutions, uh, you want to try out? Yeah. So, so I think what it boils down to right now for me is like longhorn for me is good enough. It's good enough, right? Are there quirks to it? Yes. Every now and then, like, like, like a volume will still be attached
to a pod that's no longer up and it never releases it. And it's kind of a pain in the butt. Uh, but I, I think that's more of a Kubernetes thing than the longhorn thing. Cause I've seen that other places. Um, so I think it boils down to a couple of things. Uh, do I still use it? Yes, I do because it's easy, easy way to get block storage. You could do it all in cluster. You don't need any external,
uh, services at all, which kind of leads into my second option. Um, and so it's, it's really easy to do use the leftover space on your nodes. You get block storage, you know, everything's pretty good. It'll sync it up. It'll sync all your volumes. They should most likely most of the time auto
reattach and things are generally good when you start to get into really huge volumes. That's where it gets, you know, it gets tough, right? The other thing is, um, with longhorn to look out for is like your IOPS, right? So if you're, if you're, because you're sharing IOPS with the cluster itself, you know, uh, you could run into issues. And so, um, so, uh, use SSD minimally, uh, NVMe is fantastic. Uh, but you're going to want really high IOPS, uh, wherever, wherever longhorn is running.
And then you're going to want decent network throughput too, right? Gigabit will work. Um, but if you have really large volumes, like some of mine are 20 gig, when it needs to sync that data, you know, it's, it's, it's putzing along at one gigabit per second, which is kind of like, well, for me it's faster. Well, not for one of my clusters, which is, it's kind of like a blessing and a curse. Like I'm art of not artificially, I am, uh, uh, uh, it's getting, it's slowing down
the replication, which then doesn't tie up as much IOPS. So it's, it's, it's kind of a good balance, but for the most part, I'm going to sync as fast as possible. And so if I put 10 gig on everything, then I need really fast drives or, you know, or I'm going to like soak up all the IOPS I can possibly do in, you know, five, 10 seconds. And then the rest of my clusters, like what the heck is going on? Anyways, I've done a lot of longhorn stuff. I still like it. I still use it. Uh, if you're looking for something else and you want to look at Seth, RookSeph is, is the way to go. I think those are the two,
like as far as Kubernetes, uh, storage goes, I think that and self-hosting Kubernetes, they should say besides local, that doesn't really count. I think that's what people are, are usually choosing. RookSeph or longhorn. And so I haven't done RookSeph yet. I want to, but you know, just again, it takes a little bit, you know, it takes setting up a Seth cluster, maybe kind of sort of, or having it live somewhere else. And I could probably split it up and have it live on the same machine, but it's, it's a little bit more complicated to set up, but I heard once you get to set up, it's a super great experience. That's what I've heard. Uh, but I've also heard it from the people who love
it. And so again, going back to this, like, you know, how do I balance things out? I want to talk to some people who don't like it. So then I can actually hear like what the pain points are, right? You know, it's, it's the same reason why when you buy something on Amazon, you go and look at the bad reviews, right? Right. Cause you, cause you want to hear from the people who have pain points, right? If you, you know, uh, most of Amazon reviews are flooded with four and five, which is fine and it's great. And I don't, I don't diss anyone for giving a good review. It's, it's so much harder to get a good review than a bad review. So yeah, go for it. But when I buy stuff, I want to know where the pain points are. And so where are the pain points are, where are they going to be? They're going to
be in the lower ratings. So anyways, that goes back to why I, why I want to talk to someone who doesn't like Seth, Rook Seth. So then I can understand what the pain points are because they're going to give me honest pain points. So anyways, yeah. So those are two to look into. You want simple and easy, uh, Longhorn and it, it'll work pretty good until you start to like scale really high or you have lower end machines that don't have, uh, super fast discs. Romeo Jr. I'm processing, uh, I'm process, I'm in the process of migrating my Silverstone 5a NAS to a 2U 12a server NAS. Busy weekend ahead. Yeah, you are. So migrating, oh, Silverstone 5a. Awesome
2, wow, 12a NAS. That is awesome. That is awesome. Uh, well, yeah, that sounds fun. That sounds fun. I honestly, for me, that sounds fun. Like I, I kind of, I miss those days when like, I'm like, Hey, like I, you know, I'm migrating a machine to here or here. I bought a new machine and I'm doing this. I'm like at a point in my home lab where things are great hardware wise, and I'm, I'm doing a lot of software stuff. Sometimes I wish I could kind of reset and do other things, but like then again, it's like, well, what am I going to do? Rebuild the same? Am I going to come to the same conclusion? I probably wouldn't. I probably wouldn't come to the same conclusion, which is the, the, the,
the server and home lab I have now. If I was starting today, I'd probably have a different, different, uh, uh, conclusion, I guess on what it would look like, but that sounds fun. That sounds fun. Enjoy, uh, enjoy your 12a NAS. So it means you're probably getting more storage or you were running out of storage before. Sounds fun. Matt. Oh yeah. Uh, DJ Master Keck also playing poker on Zynga and knocking out donks. Good luck, man. Uh, don't, uh, yeah. Um, yeah. Don't go all in. I don't know. I'm not great at poker, but, uh, oh yeah. I, I, is that a Canadian? Sorry. Sorry. Oh
yeah. Sorry. Yeah. It's, it's funny. I did in Canada. I did hear a lot of stories. Sorry. And, uh, the only way I can describe how they say it is if you spell it S O R R E Y. And if you, if you pronounce how that spells, at least, you know, in American English, sorry, that's kind of how it sounds, but a little more emphasis on the S sorry. Yeah. I heard it. You know, I heard, I heard sorry washroom. That's the one I always forget until I get there. I'm like, oh yeah, the washroom, you know, and I'm like, as soon as you, if you go to Canada and you're like, Hey, where's your restroom? They're like American, you know, they're like, he's an American. But, um, so I switched it up. Once I get there, I'm like, oh yeah, washroom. I'm in it. I'm in it to win it. So, but I did live
in Canada for about six months. So I, I totally got used to, uh, you know, everything they would say. The one thing that always throws me off and British people actually do this too. So, so, so like, you know, there's, there's, there's things, there's way, you know, Americans pronounce stuff. And then there's way, you know, British English people pronounce stuff, American English British English, um, pronounced differently. You know, there's, there's the obvious things like progress
and project, you know, those, those are pretty obvious. And I can see, I'm like, okay, it's PRO, you know, project progress. Yeah, I totally get it. But then the one that throws me off is why the heck do you guys say pasta? That throws me off. I'm like, why, why not pasta? Like it's, you know, pasta, like, like, like, I think that's how it's pronounced in general. I mean, that's how we pronounce it. And I think like even in Italian, it's pasta. Where did pasta come from? That's the one that always throws me off. And I'm like, but you guys don't say tacos. You say tacos.
So I'm like, how did, how did pasta come about? That's the one that throws me off. So, and then, and then, uh, instead of cabin, you guys say cottage. So those are, those are the ones. I, I love it though. Every time I go back, I'm like, yes, I love it. And I don't mean to make fun. I'm
not making fun. I studied language as a major. I love other languages and I super appreciate all of the different nuances and sounds and words that people use. So when I repeat something, the way I hear it is because I love it. Cause I love when things are different. I love when people pronounce things different. I love accents so much. And I'm not just talking about British,
like even in the U S like I love listening to Southern accents, uh, East coast accents. I love it. I just love listening to it, but I was the language major too. So, so that, uh, that kind of helps maybe, maybe Nova Scotia and P E I are beautiful and amazing. Hope you enjoyed them. Yeah, I did. They are. Yeah, it is totally beautiful. We're on Cape Breton Island, uh, which is pretty far East, even in Nova Scotia. So it's, uh, it's pretty much at the end of Nova Scotia. It was awesome. And then we went to Badek Badek, I think, which is I think even further East.
I don't know my geography for Nova Scotia isn't the greatest, uh, but it is awesome. And, and, uh, Cape Breton, and then there's like all the inland lakes. So there's like huge lakes that are carved out within the Island that are, I assume mostly saltwater cause it's still the ocean, but yeah, it's pretty awesome. Pretty, pretty unique geography for sure. 2025, finally the, the test, Linux on the desk. It is, it's, it's always next year. If you, if you, if you, if it's N plus one,
you're, you're right. You're right. You're totally right. Oh, where have I heard that before? For sure. Yeah, for sure. Um, let me see. Poorly, poorly Buffalo, poorly Buffalo. I'm hope I'm hoping proton, uh, keep developing their office apps. Yeah. To add to E to email storage, VPN, calendar, password manager. Yeah, for sure. Proton's doing a lot of great stuff. Yeah. Hopefully they
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