Who Tells the Story of Our Future?
Good morning everyone. Thank. You so much for being here this early in the morning this cold, freezing. In the rain we really appreciate, you so. If I could have everyone kind of, even. Out. Thank. You very much cool, so I'm gonna hop right into things because we don't have much time but we do have a lot of things to discuss here so I'm, gonna introduce myself kind, of my inspiration, for creating, this, panel the, kinds of things that we're gonna talk about during this panel and then get into who our lovely panelists, are so my. Name is Sam Redell I'm an, independent podcast. Producer. Principal. Host and executive free server podcast, called inner ho uprising, which, is a show about sex love and dating home by for queer black feminists, and as, it's relevant to this panel I am a former podcast, producer, at a science and tech publication, so, and, this is kind of where we gettin so the storytelling, of why we're here today right so. When. I was creating, a show at. My. Old company it, was at the intersection of futurism, and intersectional. Feminism specifically. Queer black intersectional. Feminism so like what does a black feminist future, look like and as, I was thank you for the snaps as, I was doing research, for the show and research about the futurism, podcasting. Niche at, all, I didn't. Hear myself in. The podcast and specifically what I mean by that was, that it was very white and it was very male and, that. Was concerning for, two reasons right so when we talk about like these big concepts, like futurism. And what's next for our society, you, might agree with me but I think that all of our voices need to be included in that kind of conversation right but. Then specifically, when we talk about white, men existing. In the space and we think about the fact that for, maybe the past 500 years, white, dudes have been telling the story of where we're going in society, and you. Might agree with me here too we're kind of in dire straits right now as a society, and in. Those same centuries. Weird white men have been dominating, the conversation people. At the margins have been left out of that conversation and, so I think it's crucial, that we have people at the margins in the conversations, about futurism, specifically. In a forward-facing medium, like, testing so that's what we're talking about here today right, so. On this panel we will discuss the, nature of this podcasting, niche how, this space affects, us as listeners, and creators and by us I mean folks at the margins specifically, black women today because that is who our panel comprises, of and lastly. Actionable, ways that we'd like to see change in the space to create better shows and so, I'm gonna kick it over to our panelists, by just having you guys introduce yourselves and we can start off with nyema everyone.
My, Name is Naima, and I'm known mostly as Queen I am the, co-host and co-producer, of tea between EJ podcast. Writers, science, enthusiasts, and a regular, regular, chick, from the Bronx. Hi. I'm Janina Jeff I'm the host of a podcast called, in those jeans which is a podcast that uses genetics to help African Americans and cover their lost identities, I'm also. A scientist, a geneticist at a biotech company and. Motivational. Speaker lover, of all things black, science. Tech futurism, feminism. All the things all. The things oh. Hey. Y'all my, name is Bridget Todd I live in Washington DC and I am a grassroots, political organizer, activist. Strategist, I also. Produce and host podcasts. I'm, the co-host of the afropunk, podcast, I also. Co-host. Stuff mom never told you on the health stuff works Network and I'm the executive producer for, Friday 29, unstyled. Podcast. So. Thank, you guys so, happy to have you here I, want to start off by talking about just the, podcasting. Climate in the specific, niche right so, if we can play audio, q1. The. News today seems, pretty. Grim I think. Our plans to build utopia, kind of accidentally, built the opposite the future can feel like a blur racing. Out ahead of us of the wildering landscape, the likes of which we've never seen before we. Spend a lot of time talking about how things would go wrong but much less on what. It is we're actually working, for what, if everything, went right, is. Technology moving, us forward or. Backward, there are still many many people out there trying, to make the world a better place and those people have. Some pretty. Wild ideas. So. We want the show to focus on the technology news that matters to you. Computers, robots, rocket, ships cloning, eight weeks eight, big, questions, eight big, answers. It's. Called crazy, genius, future. Perfect good Anatomy if next if the, secret, history of the future. So. To, you. That might have sounded like a, trailer. For one specific, show but that was actually a mash-up of six different shows. All. Hosted. By white dudes just, to give you like an auditory, painting, of what this landscape, is like right so, with that I'm gonna kick it to you guys I. Had. A lot of fun editing that. Who. Are in your opinion stem tech and forward-facing, podcast, four and what, do you derive from the, tone host, content. Subject matter music, all the elements that go into creating these shows how does that impact you listening, to it or listening to something like that. Whoever. Feels, most, moved by the white dudes talking about. Ever. White. Men. It, sounds. Like exactly the voices, that we heard it sounds like exactly who do you want to speak to white. Kind, of calm. Collected. Man. It. Doesn't even sound like mess, and for me science was always like this messy space and I, don't know it just doesn't sound, like, what, science. And tech actually, is so who are they fucking talking to you know. Yeah. I, agree with Queen I mean to me that just sounds, alienating. It just sounds when I hear that when, I hear that mashup all, of, the signal, cues that are supposed to signal that this is not for me I read. Them that way and so it's very alienating. As. A listener, I would imagine if, I didn't really know the podcast, space or the medium I would think oh this is a space that's not for me this is a space where my, story my voice doesn't matter yeah. And just to add on to it it's. Not relatable, there. Are female, scientists. Or a scientist, of color science. Is not just a bunch. Of white guys talking about the things that they like it, seems like they're just. Talking. About things they like with their friends which I guess some podcast, should be like but, it's not very inclusive and, it's not very applicable so, I don't relate to it science, is science podcasts, are hard in general like people, to. Want to listen to a science podcast you have to pull. People in and part. Of that is relatability and nothing about that relates to anyone except, for the people who look like them.
So. I want to take it like. Under. Layer deeper, so when I hear science shows I think about the white dudes on the top and then like right underneath there's, white women talking about science, and futurism and then there's like a sprinkling, of people of color right so. Recently. I was listening to a, sort. Of science versus where they were talking about the, state of gentrification right, now and. I, had some issues with it but I kind of want to get you guys as thoughts on how it's. Perceived as folks, of color listening, to issues, that kind of impact us at the forefront right so can we play audio. Q3. So. We got a producer, dr.. Merrill Horne. PhD. To. Crunch some numbers you, want to see my data. Overlaid. You want to see your data and we, know this, is not peer-reviewed. It's the best we've got, so, she did some stats I, found. The population, normalized, all of the time, points, I did a linear, regression look, to see if there is a physical, a significant, difference between the slopes to see if the p-value was less than 0.01. So. What. Did you find I found, that over, this period of time you, could see that the calls just kept going up and up in the gentrifying, areas, more, than the other neighborhoods, was it was it by a lot yeah the calls and the gentrifying, neighborhoods, were going up like 70%, faster oh wow, yeah. I think I think this is a real effect. So. That was in regards, to you know folks, like corner store Caroline and things like that calling. Or maybe. The myth that people are calling, people. In gentrified neighborhoods, are calling the cops more on black people in people of color so, just as a general listener. Thoughts. Um so for me like my podcast, is about dismantling white, supremacist, patriarchal, capitalism, that's what I nerd about like that's all I talk about so, it, just, for me it just shows that people. Are not connected, to the conversations, they are having we. Have been saying this people in these neighborhoods have been saying is but you don't believe us and you have to get data to, fucking believe this shit we've been saying this you, have the proof like the science, is there because I black, ass is saying it you know I. Was. Thinking the same thing like, I was watching a documentary once, on gentrification, that was also done by a white woman and I, thought why. Didn't they interview, anyone, who's being affected, by gentrification like, there's, just one side we're talking about gentrification there's, an acknowledgement that is a problem there's an acknowledgement that calling the police is a problem, why not talk to the people who are being affected by, it and so, again this. Is a problem that's affecting us that people are talking about for their entertainment but. We're not included in it I would, even go to like. Take that one step further so in that science versus clip just to be transparent there were people affected by gentrification in that episode but I think that kind of episode needs to be hosted, by someone, who's affected by gentrification because, that's the only person if I'm in a gentrifying neighborhood, that I want to listen to in the first place not, to like haha, wow this is funny so I thought that that was pretty tone-deaf. You. Know thinking about an issue like that from, the date from the date it's, almost insulting, right as a I'm, a person. Who lives in the same neighborhood where I was born and I've watched it changed, very rapidly if you if you know DC you know it's a it's, a changing, neighborhood we'll put it that way and. You. Know I know what that experience looks like feels like I know all the tensions, the anxieties, you, know what. That experience, actually sounds, like as a person living, it and it doesn't look like two women giggling about data it doesn't look like you, know women, poring over I, couldn't when, you played the clip I was almost my eyes were sort of like a no shade to their to their podcast, but my eyes. Were, sort of rolling back in my head because that's, not what that experience, sounds like looks like feels like it's not datasets and tables.
And This and that it's it's, real it's people's lives it's my life and hearing. It kind. Of distilled. Through that. Medium, it's almost insulting as someone who's living it mm-hmm for sure so, that's a little bit of what it's like listening to shows in this field let's talk about what it's like creating, shows in this field super fun right. So. And maybe do you Nina we can start with you because you have like a super, new, entry, space, what. Are the kinds of challenges in. Discussing. These topics as, a, black woman I think. The biggest challenge, for. Science. Podcasts. Are black, science, podcast is, thinking, all, the podcasts that exist today or the clips that we heard the first clip in particular, so, there's, a huge conflict. In like okay I'm I teach science all the time I'm always doing, this in an all-white environment, which is typically, what I you know am used to but, that's not the purpose of a podcast, and so, I'm trying, to have, to think about consciously. Think, about how do I deliver this message in a relatable, way that, still, has my credibility. Because in the science, in dish in the science field it was particularly in my industry genetics, like, I have to prove myself as, credible, already like having a PhD and, all that cool, but, like they still need to you. Know I have to code switch all the time. And to, be able to have this space to not code-switch, to be able to be my authentic self and see be able to tell a story in, a, way that has never been, done and a relatable way for the community is something, that there's, not an example out there for me to look at and be like oh they, did it well and all, the examples that I've tried to look at none of them in my opinion do it to, do. It with the purpose that I'm trying to do which is touch a community, that, hasn't been spoken to before so there's a lot of challenges of how do I do that still, remain credible, not. Dismantle. The science not water it down but not making it too challenging it's. Yeah, it's a lot of things mm-hmm, yeah I. Could. Talk all day about that but I think for me I'm in a really weird position, the. Network that I make my show on is how stuff works and so the show that I make afropunk. It's a podcast about dismantling, white supremacy, it's about uplifting, the voices of people at the margin so like black clear women activism. All of that and my, network is and, so I'm explicitly making, a show for. Young. Black listeners, like I know who my people are I know who I want to speak to but, my network is how stuff works and our flagship, shows are I mean, they're white dudes talking, about nerdy white dude shit you know saying like let's be real no shade to them it's a it's a it's a important.
Show. But. The listenership of our network is excuse, very white and so, when you're making, a show that is about for. And about black. Like, young black activists, young black artists, young black creators, it's, difficult, because you. Know people who, listen to how stuff works might think oh at every show they produces, for us like it's for me it's for you, know Chad. White guy or whatever and then when he listens to the show he's. Gonna think what the hell is this they're calling me a racist I voted for Obama. And so, we, have to walk this really, strange. Kind. Of tightrope, of. Making. Something that, we think is really beautiful, and important, specifically, for our people, but then also, knowing, that our networks. Larger, audience, is just not that people and so we have this extra, hat that we have to wear not, only am I like a podcast producer, and host I also have to be the sort of inclusion. Expert who knows you know how are we gonna bring these folks in because they're not there, and. What. Are some ways that you think actually, two, people in this room that you would say you, would like in terms of like resources, or help in addressing those challenges money, definitely. Money. Yeah. I would say money, but then also just meaningful. Investments, in inclusion. In the space right because I've, seen a million times people, will just hire. One. Black host and think like oh we've done it diversity, achieved, like that's it and no, you actually, need you know to make meaningful investments, like don't just hire somebody are they supported, not, just are they at the table do they have a voice they feel comfortable you, know expressing. And, and knowing, they will be heard and valued and listened to so I would say money, you know fun, black podcasters, trained black podcasters, throw us coin give us money to make cool shit and then, also support us yeah. I was I just, want to add that. Kind. Of just get rid of the privilege that you have make yourself, marginalized. Like there's that's, just what you have to do if. You want to include other people if you actually want to like first you have to actually want to do that shit which, is what most people most white men don't want to do mostly the one they don't want to give up their privilege they don't want to give up a space. So. Give up the space and be. A marginalized. Person, and then you can a little, bit understand. The. Other side and other people who need to be in the conversations. Yeah. I was just gonna add on to that I would say the biggest thing is walking. To every situation unlearning. All the things you were taught before you walked in and that's, a good place to start because once you create a safe, space where you acknowledge. I don't, know. I want to learn I genuinely want, to learn in a genuine authentic way and I want to unlearn all the things that I was taught about, patriarchy. About racism, about what I think you should be like then. You've created a safe space for people of color to engage with you I. Want. To take this time to play some clips from Janina your show and then also Queen maybe you can introduce a clip that you sent over to me about, kind. Of like the ways that we, can create shows, for, us that. Have this science element, that. Communicate. The science well, to me so can we play I'm. Just gonna say no, one has ever, heard these clips so my show is developing. So. This is a treat. I'm also the producer on that show so. Can. We plank you for. Welcome. To the lab everybody, you're listening to in those jeans podcasts, a show that uses genetics to help people of African, descent discover.
Our Lost, identities, I am your host dr., Janine Adia a human, geneticist at, a biotech company however. I'm also an, educator a lover of hip-hop and now, I'm a podcaster, so. Really it is my love for genetics black people in the arts that has inspired me to make this show but, also because, tons of people use science to perpetuate, a bunch of bullshit about black folks a major cause of the American Negroes intellectual, and social deficits, is hereditary and racially. Genetic in origin saying, things like we're genetically less intelligent, more, prone to violence, better, at sports more aggressive, but, I'm here to tell you today we. Got 99 problems but our genes ain't one. In fact human, beings are 99%. The same genetically, yet, it's only 1% that, makes us different. Janina, if you want to talk a little bit about how. This show is. Communicating. Science and, like futurism, in an authentic. Way to black. Folks. The, biggest I think the biggest contributor, to our show that's different when it's an educational, podcast, and I just kind of realize that. But, the biggest thing is like teaching in a relatable, way and teaching. Things, that are familiar so, a lot of the show everything that we teach every concept, that we teach to the audience, is done, relating, something, that is that is in real life you, can. Attach. Yourself to and, really be a part of and then. Music. Is a big part of our show music. Is a big part of our culture and so, I think one of the biggest things that was missing from this space in particular is, being, able to bring in culture, into. An educational, experience about, science, for people of color so, we work really hard to make sure we have the music relatable. Things that, everyone, can learn and. Understand. And enjoy hopefully, yeah. We. Knew you want to talk up a little bit about the clip that yes, I am, a clip from a podcast, that I listened to quashes plate and the, hosts are three trans folks to. Trans women and to, transform any one trans man and black. Trans folks yeah three black trans folks and they're, talking about how, you, know matriarchy, is better but, they use. The. Example, of chimpanzees. And bonobos and how those different, apes. Are. Socialized, to you, know be patriarchy, patriarchy, or. Matriarchal. Can. We play clip sex or q6 the. Chip and the Bonneville really, can lead us to a path of matriarchy, and how they can kind of get there giving us clues then, a matriarchal. World could be a little bit better so bonny balls are, socialized is a matriarchy. And. Chimpanzees. Are socialized, as a patriarchy. The, chimpanzees. Are more violent they. Literally. Torture, their, rival, gangs like they torture, they fight they eat. Cannibalism. They, rate they, is just way way yes. Way. More violent just, anything, that you can think of. Wow. Bitches. On. The other hand they. Usually. Resolve. Conflict. From sex. So. Cream do you talk a little bit about like the many facets. That make that clip and Marcia's play in general great yeah. So. It it makes. Scientific. Things very layman and very relatable, for anybody to understand, you couldn't have never heard of a barnable, but you couldn't relate to what, they said on that podcast, and. Then it's also important, how people speak when it comes to podcasting that makes you podcasting. Is very intimate. So. It is important for you to hear someone that sounds like somebody that you would listen to every day and.
That's What I get from another center Marcia's plea and that's kind of how I am when I speak on my podcast like I don't coach which at all I want people to hear me how I speak all the time and, a. Lot of our listeners relate to that as well, I think one thing to kind of get to that point with, Bridgette said you can't just like in terms of hiring a black host that's really, important, like that voice is so important, I've listened, to podcast, hosted, by black. Women and with in the first instance I'm like nope yeah. No I mean it's just not for. Me and for a personal, experience I need it to be for me and it should be right, I mean I've also been there because when I so I've been podcasting for a while you know it's a it's a you know early, medium so has not that long but for a while and I'll remember when I first started, I was trying, to do this like black Ira Glass boys, sort of like hello. Welcome. To the blood. And, I go back and I listen to them and it just sounds, like I remember, that tension, of do, I sound do I talk like myself or do I talk like who. I think, people, need me to be to respect, me and having, to figure that out on the microphone, was awful. And if I had like going back and listening to those episodes is torture. For me but you're, right and I think that as black women podcasters. I think that you, have to own that you have to say this is my voice this is how I speak. Either. Like it or don't like it and I think you're right I have listened to those shows where I think oh this this person. Is still sorting that out and I know what that feels like. And Bridgette what are some kinds of ways that you besides, like actually, using your actual voice that. You introduce authenticity in, talking about the conversations, that you have in your shows it's, a lot of the same thing I mean a fair. Disclosure I forgot to do my homework so I don't bring my class but it's. A lot of the same thing right this idea that you brought up that a big. Part of how we live, our lives is, culture, and so I think especially when it comes to talking about technology. And stem. And all of that we, tend to have this idea that you. Know the, important, smart, people things are here and then you're a pop culture music, whatever that's, here and they're different buckets and so the same way and the podcast clip that you brought where they're, talking about sex and all of that and like things. That are in our lives, all the time understanding. That those things are intersectional.
That You know you're not a scientist, one day and a lover of hip-hop the next how you live your life is through that experience and you're experiencing, all of those things all the time so, I would say just bringing, bringing. That nod2 to. That intersection to, the shows for. Sure I want. To start wrapping it up to, take. Time for questions but before we get into that I want to speak a little bit about audience and we kind of addressed that already but what, once again in terms of actionable ways do you think folks in this room can take away in terms of including listeners, in this, podcasting, niche so, like what kinds of barriers century are there for listeners and how do we address those I. Would. Say. For. Every. Concept. Scientific. Concept, futurism, you. Have to, talk. About it. Every, perspective, every. Marginalized, group every, time we learn about a science, concept, we hear about futurism. We, can't ever say, oh I see myself in, this oh I see. I was I was watching a show a random acts of kindness and, they. Had an AI person. They created an AI computer. I think her name was a bina and they were talking she was talking to him and she was like does. Abena feel like a black woman, and a bina got really uncomfortable anytime, they talked about race anytime, they talk about anything black and apena was black, buta was black Avena was a black line away, a very horrible wig, and. Abena. Couldn't. Do that in a bina and then a penis I guess like her clone or her human person equivalent, was like a bina was programmed by white programmers, yeah so I'm, thinking futurism. AI, all, this stuff how is it going to include me if the people developing, it don't, look, like me and so. It's really really important, to have representation. Because. That's. You, know representation. And also anytime you talk about things including, it from the angle of everyone, we talk about it from the angle of men and women a lot let's, also talk about it from the angle of. Non-binary. Let's, also talk about it from the angle of different, underrepresented. Groups, because that's how you include, everybody in there I just, want to add that when you are not, white you're always thinking about race white. People are the only people who have the privilege to not think about that race all the time so. You can't. Have. These spaces and, just paint, a white, person Brown and say I did it because this, is not gonna work so, you have to take us in as whole people like actual whole people and our. Experiences. And our culture and understand that we're not a monolith, there are billions. Of different kinds of black people and it's on his earth so, yeah, just black people or not white, people paint a brown like just that simple, yeah, I agree, plus, 4000, - all the things that y'all said I also, would say just. Being kind of like what you were saying being, really aware of the, various intersections that. You're not seeing at the margins but we did a podcast episode. And legislation. That impacts sex workers and so we had an act like a sex worker on the show and one, of the things that she talked about that I was like oh this had that occurred to me was, the idea that if you are a sex worker and this was during the time where a lot of bullshit, legislation, cracking, down on sex work online was happening and so what I'm still happening and she. Made this point that yeah if you're a sex worker and you're, a black woman you are double, marginalized, and so the. Folks who are at the margins in, in, this space are the ones who have to be sort of these technology. Innovators, because they have to be and so you. Know we don't often think of sex workers as tech innovators when you think of tech innovator, you think of a very specific kind, of person a white guy in San Francisco, in a turtleneck right but people, who are living. Lives, at, the margins, well they have to be tech innovators just, because, it's their life because it's how they survive and so on. Me. Kind of understanding. And learning. About and being willing to sort of amplify, that, intersection. Was really important to how we told that story so I would, say always be thinking about whose. Story you're not telling, and how can you tell that I just, want to add something real, quick there's.
No Way that you have innovation, without. Marginalization. Like the people, are and the margins, are the most innovative people that you will ever find because you have to be resourceful because the world doesn't give you anything yeah so you have to make everything for yourselves so you do not acknowledge people. At the margins, and talk about innovations, you're an idiot and you're not doing it right it's so true, quick, story a little unrelated, but whatever so. I don't have my hair braided for, this for this event so you're welcome. The. Woman who raised my hair it's completely, like an illegal black, market, like braiding hair out of people's homes is against the law I think and. So this woman comes to my apartment everything we do. Looking. Up I'm not kidding I'm happen, so basically this woman in order to have this thriving, sustaining, business she, has this network, of ways. Of using tech platforms so how does she get clients Instagram. Right like DME, for this how, does she how does she get her money like cash, right like all of these different ways this woman was using technology, to sort of, you know skirt. The law but make this business viable, for the. Man Hey honestly. Like I, was, like you should be putting this on a resume like this is your your ability, to sort of have this business just, sustain. Itself via Instagram. And cash app and word-of-mouth and all of this it was it was I talk about a tech innovator and so again we, don't talk about what. It looks like when someone has a tech innovator that's not a Silicon, Valley white, guy and we should. My, show of hands can I see how many folks are interested in asking questions. Okay. Cool I just want to see where to take it so, follow-up, question to that do. You think the fix is creating, shows like, siphoning, ourselves, off and creating, our own shows and our own safe spaces, or is it staffing, people, of color and women of color and non-binary people of color in pre-existed. Fully funded, Network shows a little. Bit I, think it should be a mixture of both, my, podcast, is completely independent and I like that because I like to do whatever I want and I'm. Also not. I. Don't bend I'm doing what I want how I want it when I want it so it works for me but then I understand, that there are other platforms that may need, way more funding, and cannot be independent, so that they would, need to support up the network and.
Things Like that so there's ways to operate outside of the system and within the system but is the thing that's really important, is to just be true to you because. The system is not going to care about you so if you are in this space where you are using media. Companies. Just, make sure you're true to you and true to what your, project. Or vision is once you stay away from that you, know you sold out and that's, not cool thing, anybody. Else yeah. I mean I think it's a tough, one one that I've definitely had to think about, when. Creating the show is like. Do. I who. Who. Is just gonna reach and who should it reach and originally. When I was creating a show I was so passionate about it being for me and for us and only about us and, I still. Maybe am but just. Because. We don't have it but. Then also realizing it's, really important, for everyone, to listen to this and, gonna step back and, saying you know I have to I, have, to still. Do what I'm gonna do. But, hopefully reach people. That I never thought would listen to the show like if you think about it when white, men create they're only making stuff in themselves, but we all pay attention we are watching your consumer, we all take it in what, I create. Is I, sent. Two black films, anyone, affected by misogyny, war you're a center of what I am creating, but everyone is there we have men listening we have white people listening we have so, you can still create whatever you want and not worry, about people not listening because they will come and that is how white men create they create for themselves and because. They are who they are we, still consume it we still take it in you don't know white men saying um. I got to make something to make you know I have to be inclusive of what I'm doing they don't do that but we just have to consume it anyway so like I think if you remove that thought. From it mm-hmm, it makes things a whole lot easier, absolutely. I mean I that's. Been my experience too, and so to your question I don't actually know I think it's a mixture of both like Queen was saying but you, know nobody calls Marc Maron a white podcaster. Right like he does he's just a podcaster, he's makes things, he wants to make he has a conversation he wants to have and we, just accept that and we kind of have, to consume it you know when you're a person of color when you're marginalized, you, have, to engage with the Dominical you're just expected, to engage with the dominant culture all the time and it's, not that, same way with, us and so I've, often said you know I would. Love it if when, I make like, I guess one of my concerns about sort, of having our own spaces. To do that is I don't want to be compartmentalized I make dope shows, and everybody, you couldn't get something out of the shows that we make whether you're a white person a black person whatever I don't.
Want To be compartmentalized, of, like oh this is the black podcast, therefore, there's nothing for me there because, that's not how you that's not how we grow and learn together and so you know I don't have the answer to whether or not and maybe, it is a combination but, I know that as a person. Who makes things I would, like that I would i wonder what what, it would look like to have the freedom to just make, cool shit and not have to feel like oh well it's. This is the black podcast, and you're making that like this is a niche thing, not expect, that we don't have to sort of engage with it the same way the, answer is what, I say is the answer to everything just get rid of white supremacy shock with capitalism, and, then, we could go from there. One. Last question before we have time for that one question in the audience and, we can just circle back to the, title of this panel who, tells, the story of our future in, your opinion. For. Me is for. Me in my life it's always been black women. We. Have a panel that me and my co-hosts do that's called listening to black women and it's about black oral tradition, and women in podcasting, and this is just another extension of that just, passing on stories and having these conversations amongst. Myself, and. If, other people happen, to tune in like that's dope, but yeah, so that's what it is for me yeah. I was gonna say the same I was gonna say 94%. That. You know I agree who tells a story of our future you, tell the story of your future that's a personal thing but also people, who relate to you people who care for you people who are genuinely interested, in you having, a future let's start there you, seeing us in a future, that's. Who that's, who tells the story. Nothing. To add you know black women we. Black. Women be knowing. Like. Oh well who. Could we listen to who was sounding, the alarm who was saying these things before everybody else it, gets old but it's always true so yeah, yeah, and just one really.
Important Thing to that for black women to also understand, is a part of being our future we have to take care of ourselves we take a lot of weight, of. The world and no one ever talks to us about wellness and how do we you, know think about our futures outside. Of you know doing. For everyone else so yeah, that's. A different panel. Well. Thank you guys. And. We. Have about five, minutes so anyone, who wants to ask a question there's two mics on the side you can just walk right up. Hi. I'm Shana. So. My question, relates, to what you just said if you are you. Know as black women. Telling. A story or allowing. A portal, for people's stories to be told that aren't typically told how, do you go about marketing. Your. Podcast. Your your, platform, without, appealing. To the Patriarca, cold under. That so, how do you keep, your message pure and keep your audience fed, but. Still appeal to the wider audience. Well. I think it goes back to what you were so sorry I mean it. Goes back to what you but Queen was saying earlier that you. Know, she. Knows who. She's like who her people are right and so I think that if, you're a podcast or making anything the most important thing to know first is who are you making this for and so, she said black, pens and that's it and so other people want to tune in cool, but they, have to know that. You. Know we're not making, this specifically. For, them if they want to listen great, but you know we're. Not going to change. It up to make them feel included I want to add that there, are seven, billion, people on, this planet you, have enough, people to listen to your podcast like. They're, like. This scarcity model created, by white supremacists picture uncle capitalism. So, there's. Not enough for everybody and there is there's enough for everybody in this fucking room like literally so like don't make don't. Make it's. Not the truth okay there's enough people to listen to your podcast I was just gonna also say kind of speaking to that one. Of the things that I'm really passionate about and I think it's also important, in terms of marketing is how are we reaching people who aren't listening to podcasts, so that's really really big for people of color because, a lot of you, know our families, and our extended families don't listen to podcasts, and all of the marketing that's created for podcasts, do not engage with them to listen to them so our marketing, eats them how yeah our marketing, campaigns, are gonna, be completely different and kind of get into what you were see I personally. Don't, care about reaching a mass audience the Intendant audience will come, yeah. My own parents, they still ask me what's channel on the TV can i watch your project it's, a, constant, thing I get it every every time we see each other so yeah I mean the the barrier, to entry is different for us for. Sure all right we only have about one minute left so. I. Was, just wondering if any of you all have thought about how to preserve the stories that you're creating now for the future if we're talking about who's telling the stories for the future like working. With archives, or like doing any like personal, archiving, yourselves, this is something you've thought about it's a great question I'm upload my consciousness, to the class, would. You really I. Don't. Know but I mean I haven't, actually thought about it one thing I do like about the digital spaces. Everything. Exists, forever so I'm from New Orleans. You know we had Hurricane Katrina I literally don't have baby pictures, and, I always think about how amazing, it would have been to like be born in the face of Facebook, where you have all this archived, things, so. Technology. The. Cloud. Last. Question. Thank. You ladies I wanted. To ask I, think one of you mentioned that. You. When.
You're Listening to a podcast you. Already, know like okay, this isn't for me so. What are those cues, of what. Are you looking for when you want when you have a podcast, that's, black, hosted, and you, want, to feel included, and. That's, it for me doesn't have to be a black hosted, thing usually most of what I listen to is by black woman but, if you sound like I would invite you to my house, then. I'ma listen, but if you sound like someone that is not gonna be I'm not gonna feel safe with I would usually a white man then you can't come you, know I'm, not gonna listen to you also, if you're like putting disclaimers. On black things instead of just talking about black things as they exist that for me is a turn-off so if you're like explaining. Hip-hop, 101, I'm gonna.