How the Sun Works on the Flat Earth - Timelapse of the Sun Proves the Flatness of the Earth

How the Sun Works on the Flat Earth - Timelapse of the Sun Proves the Flatness of the Earth

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Fear is. It really just a big ball floating, in space. Spinning. On its axis at a thousand miles per hour hurtling. Around the Sun at 67,000. Miles per whizzing. Through the Milky Way at a milk curdling speed of over half a million miles per hour and you work driving, through the heaven at over half billion miles per hour and what. About the Sun is, it really 93, million miles away and close. To a million miles in diameter with. A circumference, of nearly, three million miles and it's, constantly, illuminating. Half of our entire Earth's surface with the rotation, of the earth creating. Our 24-hour days our night days, or. Shh. And, maybe it's completely, still, just like we experienced, and. Maybe the Sun isn't big but, is very small and very close and not, illuminating. The earth from 93, million miles but. Is illuminating, locally, and maybe. Everything, the Sun Moon and stars are, not far away but our, circling, overhead relatively, close in. This video we're going to explore the, latter option and at the end we're going to reveal startling. Evidence through, the use of time-lapse, photography that. The Sun cannot. Possibly, be 93 million miles away but, is in fact very. Close and is. Illuminating. Locally, as it. Traverses our, Flat Earth oh man. And watch how this Sun, comes at you. Mmm. I mean. Come on. And. That's all perspective, if, you look at jet trails Google, images you'll see them they start out low with the horizon they come up overhead look at that thing they, come up overhead and then they go down to the horizon, perfectly. Explains, what the Sun would do here it is going overhead, I. Love. Time-lapse, look at this you can't go out and look at the Sun you can't see this stuff except. That it's on you, know time-lapse like this it's incredible and, watch this thing it's. Sweeping, you know the Sun over flat earth is doing a big circle all right look. At this thing see it sweep into the rights like a lefty bowler just toss that down the alley and there it goes hooking, into the pocket. You can see how the clouds angle, down to the horizon. Shot. There. That's. Exactly how the Sun would do. Unclutter. Okay. Back to the Copernican, principle and, this is what they tell us the Sun is 93 million, miles, away now. I'm gonna show you evidence, through, sunsets, that shows the Sun light. Following, the Sun over the horizon and it shrinks, as it goes over now, there's no way it would do that if the Sun is 93 million, miles away, okay, personally, show you some footage from the ISS. Okay, now watch this animation, watch this sunset, now, this is exactly if they came to me and said do an animation this, is how I would do it if, the Sun were 93 million miles away just like that have the whole horizon fade, evenly.

But, That's not what we see. Okay. Wow look at that look how the light lifts, off the ground like a big wedge or like, lifting up a sheet of paper that's. Incredible, footage. Definitely. The lights following, the Sun right okay. Next I'm going to show you how. A, son. That is circling over the earth that creates the horizontal, aspect of the Sun if, you combine that with perspective. Which creates the up and down of the Sun the rising in the setting you get the twenty-three point five degrees tilt. That, they talk about it's, nothing but perspective, and the circle inside. Here's. Another Sun sweeping, out a big circle. Okay. Here's a phenomenon, that you might be wondering how in the heck do you explain this on a flat earth well. This, footage is taken from Alaska, during the summer and. The. Sun does look like it's going up and down the, reason it's doing that is that this town in Alaska is not in, the center of the, sun's circular. Circuit, in, other words the Sun is making a big circle and the, town is not in the center of that circle so. The Sun will be closer and further, from, the viewer with the camera that will cause it to go higher, and lower and also maybe even bigger. And. Smaller. Look. At the high altitude airplane remember this is from the high altitude balloon so, that airplane is probably at cruising altitude notice. How it looks like it's going up from the horizon that's. Exactly how the Sun will, rise because. That plane is staying parallel to the ground and now watch it will go down to the other horizon, alright, again perspective, that's how the Sun will set and forget the big ball that's just a do to a GoPro camera but. See, how the Sun that's the point of this and then, also look, at the size of the Sun man look at that thing I mean. There is something to it to say that we're the higher higher, up our view and the Sun looks bigger and it looks like it's not as high in the sky as it does when we're on the ground something. To that. Let's, explore, this notion a bit further that the Sun looks bigger when filmed from higher up, the next three slides I'm going to do a comparison a side-by-side the one on the left the cameras above the clouds the camera on the right is ground level. And the point for the side-by-side, comparison, from the ground level and the level above the clouds is that, above, the clouds we're only maybe a mile or so up and if the Sun, appears to be closer to. The camera well. That, means it's probably much, closer because if the Sun were 93, million miles away a mile, closer, wouldn't, make any difference at all to its visual appearance. Okay, here's a little. Illustrator. Or a little cartoon from a website. Called time and date comm it's, really funny that they would have a perfect, illustration of, a. Sun, rising, and setting on a flat earth due, to perspective you'll, notice that it rises, from. Below the horizon and. Sets below the horizon now you might be saying well, how, is that possible I can see now you're saying that it rises and lowers due to perspective but how does it disappear, below, the horizon well. I got a theory about that because, of the fact that all parallel. Lines and planes converge. At, your eye level horizon, this is according to the perspective. I'm not making this up if in, fact and they do they, converge at your eye level horizon, visually, then, it makes sense that after that, point they diverge, meaning, they then separate. So the, Sun would continue, on a downward track as. You can see from my illustration, here the lines, would go to your horizon, and then afterwards, they, would spread, out and separate, kind of like a starburst, and the, starburst being at your horizon, at your focal. Plane. Anyway. Without further ado we're going to start talking about and I'm gonna start showing you the time-lapse of the sunsets.

That I'm talking about that clearly show the Sun is close and. Illuminating. Locally, here, we go alright, and here are a couple of time-lapse. Sunsets, and just, like the Sun rises at the beginning of this video where you could see the Sun coming at you not maintaining. Any 93, million mile distance. Here you can also see the Sun moving away and it's, clearly, not due to the rotation, of the earth and a son that's maintaining, 93, million miles away but the Sun is moving over the earth and moving away from him. Okay, these next three slides the. Sun is almost set, already behind the horizon but. Watches, the sunlight, shrinks. And follows, the Sun it's, definitely. A locally, illuminating. Sun not. Far away not very big and definitely, not. 93, million miles away. Okay. Remember this video from the beginning at. The video I showed you this one and how it's circling over the earth and watch it sweep to the right like, a bowler bowling, it in there for a strike okay. Now I want you to pay attention to. The. Way the light follows, the Sun the Sun light is going to shrink, right, as it follows the locally. Illuminating. Sun. Functions. See. A drinking, problem is on you, do not get that if the Sun is 93, million, miles away the entire horizon should, fade evenly, just like this supposed shot, taken from space of the earth you can clearly see the way they depict it they depict the demarcation, between day, and night or light, and dark as a long, straight, line and, you can see the long straight line moving is one solid piece that means that, the sunset. Should all fade, the entire horizon should fade evenly, but that's not what we observe as we will see and as we've seen in the footage so far the sunlight shrinks, and follows the Sun over the horizon. So. These. Time-lapse, sunsets, are definitely, the nail in the coffin for. Heliocentrism. But, this particular one here shot from above the clouds from this Observatory, is the. Final, nail in the coffin, look. At how the Sun, just. Shrinks. And the light shrinks, to nothing that. Cannot. Happen as I showed you in the when, the Sun illuminates the entire earth which. It does from, 93 million miles away it, has to. You. Don't get this isolated. Look. At the, sunlight trailing, the Sun, that's. Only, possible, with. A small Sun close, not. Very high, illuminating. Locally, I mean. If, this, isn't proof to you then. You. Gotta take the blinders off. Okay, and finally I want to show you some, examples, of local information or. A city, in the background. This. Is from Grand Canyon National Park. You. Can see Las, Vegas is, one of them. See. The star is going down so you know that's not the Sun that's the glow of Las Vegas it says you can see that's local, illumination I'm just making an example, showing you that there's Tuba City and a, little bit of Flagstaff, now. And, this. One here you see two lights obviously, we don't have two sons but, these are two cities lit, up and it's. Just to show it looks just like the Sun going over the horizon, that's the point but we're showing that. That's. Local, illumination at, work, the, Sun is not 93, million miles away because if it was the entire horizon, would fade evenly. And the. Entire horizon would paid at the same time not. What we see here which. Is the small. Sun cruising, over the earth and the light is following, case. Closed.

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the moon is round every planet we can see is round the sun is round every star we can see is round but we are flat? it's a shame because at lot of your posts are very interesting. But this is lunacy

All wrong guys. The Earth is squared! A-ha-ha p.s. - see ya around the corner...

P-brane has pulled a lot of idiotic ideas from his pea brain that have become foundations for the flat Earth nonsense. How high is the sun above this flat Earth? A couple of miles up "in the clouds"? "About 3,000 miles", is a common estimate. The father of modern flat Earth, Samuel Rowbotham said it was absolutely 700 miles, *"which admits of no uncertainty and requires no modification or allowance for probable influences."* Flat Earth "researchers" can't agree on a distance, because no single distance will work with what we see in the real world, from our spherical rotating Earth. Stay skeptical, that's good. Just apply that same skepticism to flat Earth videos.


This case has been closed since 2000 years. A simple observation of the sun from different locations shows that the sun is far away and earth is not flat:

Must have taken some time to dig up all this nonsense! And it is all wrong! Actually observations of the sun that anyone can do debunk flat Earth beautifully! Look at the vids on my channel!

Jos Leys has some great videos that demonstrate the Earth - sun geometry. Even if you don't believe the heliocentric model, it won't hurt you to take a look outside of the flat Earth echo chamber. Don't be afraid.


There were times when I've noticed the light of the moon, in some mornings, is in a different direction of the rising of the sun....

More proofs about the Flat Earth: You Need to Come Into This With an Open Mind - Learning Curve - Unveiling the flat earth The Biggest Deception of all Time With 200 Proofs - Earth is Not a Spinning Ball History of Flat Earth - International Research The Earth is not what we have been trained to believe Stars are not what we have been told - Depicting stars in real time You can't avoid this Documentary with Scientific Proofs about the Flat Earth Full Interview of Admiral Byrd Talking about Antarctica Secrets - Flat, Globe or Hollow Earth?

Been there! Saw that! Even bigger nonsense than this vid!

At 30 seconds clouds lit from below, you proved the globe earth. You killed flat earth in 30 seconds!

Lol, stupid fucking Flerfers never let me down on the comedy of dumb asses.

You take to long too get to the point.

Erm, spoiler. _It doesn't._

Thanks for the video. The earth is a stationary circle created by God and closed by the firmament's dome. The space is a lie. Nobody will stop the truth about our world. Glory to God and Jesus Christ forever and ever. Amen. Greetings.

I see you neglected to use a filter on your camera in order to remove the sun's glare. This is important, as it gives you a more accurate size of the sun. Using a filter shows that the sun's size doesn't change throughout the day, proving that the sun must be very far away. This has been demonstrated many times. This is only one of many proofs that the sun can't possibly be close.

+NaTuber Tv Anyone who post Eric's 200 proofs of a FE... as proof of anything other than supreme ignorance... does not understand the arguments they are trying to make.

+NaTuber Tv What is a shame is your ignoring evidence and then claiming there is no evidence. Unless you can find a way for the Moon to be 240k miles away on a FE... then all your observations are invalid.

Is not shame to search for the truth because what we have learned it seems that does not match with reality. Do they ??? Stars also are not what we have been told... But again, because we see many other round shapes, it does not mean that also the earth is round... More proofs about the flat earth: Stars are not what we have been told - Depicting stars in real time How the Sun Works on the Flat Earth part 1 - Timelapse of the Sun Proves the Flatness of the Earth You Need to Come Into This With an Open Mind - Learning Curve - Unveiling the flat earth The Biggest Deception of all Time With 200 Proofs - Earth is Not a Spinning Ball History of Flat Earth - International Research The Earth is not what we have been trained to believe You can't avoid these Scientific Proofs about the Flat Earth Full Interview of Admiral Byrd Talking about Antarctica Secrets - Flat, Globe or Hollow Earth?

+Xaverdon Bloody hell, why do I always run in to idiots like you?

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The Sun and Moon do NOT get bigger and smaller as they rise and is just the glare , so that debunks your idea. FILM THE MOON ( which has no glare ) AND YOU WILL SEE IT STAYS THE SAME SIZE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY.

Great vid. Possible experiment. Can you ask all your viewers all up and down North and South America to send footage of sunset, and preferably living on the same lines of longitude. Then play them all the same time. That would interesting and proof.

Omg. Roflmao

Then why does sun stay same size as it approaches and retreats from prospective?

You are right. Regardless of the details it looks bigger when it's above you. Obviously it's closer. Plus with the eclipse it's the same size as the moon and on and on.

+Ray Whitson you lie, you can't see it looks like a sphere. It just looks ROUND.

+Ray Whitson why does it have to go at an angle? The moon is almost evenly lit across the surface, especially on full moon. A sphere can't do this. Hold up a reflective ball then shine a light on it. You get hotspot the face from centre to edge. Never see this on moon.

+Ran Niz Get a nice telescope and put it on Jupiter. Watch a sliver appear on the side the turns into the eye of Jupiter that then becomes a sliver on the other side. Time it and confirm it is gone for just as long as it is visible and jumps sides... So yes, we know for a fact planets are spheres

+Ran Niz A flat circle becomes an oval at any angle which never happens with the moon. We mapped 59% of the moon surface more than 400 years ago. So yes, we know for a fact the moon is a sphere... and that fact ALSO proves the earth is a sphere

Yes key word you are using is round not sphere, so continue your logic with earth, ROUND and flat. Are you saying you can tell all want we observe in sky are SPHERES, they are just lights. Even the moon doesn't look like a sphere, it looks like a slightly curved disc looking at us. You also can't tell if any of the planets are spinning, the moon isn't spinning so again continue your logic , the earth isn't spinning. Really think about it, from a child if no one discussed the earth to you as you know it and then when your say 25yr old, had to describe what you live on, what would you say? Especially if someone said we are spinning the spreadsheet the scientists tells us. You would laugh at then, and they never be able to convince you.

Nice try, and I was really looking for something convincing, but no, nothing in this video even comes close to half convincing. Time to give this away.

maybe maybe maybe... but well... unfortunatly there is no doubt, no maybe. maybe the sun is not close maybe the sun is really big.

heloo there i almost seen this kind of video and makes me think of it day by day .. i have no question about the flatness or a globeness. .what i want to ask is about the bible. and what it says that the sun will rise to the far east. how can u Prove that is going like that ...thank you godbless

Lovely video, but complete nonsense, in fact, bonkers.

For those interested, I just published proof that the Sun is about 3,000 miles high :

because. mm... yep just because. no? well... I dont know... maybe its the wrong distance ? ;-)

And, my thumb covers up the sun and moon when I hold it at arm's length and look down my arm at the thumb. You're an idiot.

what a surprise!!! :) do you think he is another troll?

Hahahahahahaha thats so sweet to read , when your flat rainbow will fall i wanna be there fucking laughting out loug in yo stupid faces

+Dennis Kenny Sorry buddy, the moon and the earth are spheres... your ignorance does not change that

+NaTuber Tv I admire your quest for truth mate and enjoy your channel immensely. Thank you for everything you have shown me. I just struggle to follow this theory but your still a thumbs up for me.

+NaTuber Tv totally agree with you on stars not being what we are told . With the electric universe theories they are totally different make up and the accuracy of the sacred geometry predictions of where to find points of activity, we have to be a just off sphericaly round. I had telescopes since i was ten and maped movements watched plants and gone to observatories and not every thing I've looked at could have been at the right angle to make it look like a sphere . They where spheres.

+Ray Whitson reflective balls do not have an atmosphere like the moon does . Cover your reflective ball with a layer of glass and you get the effect we see when we look at the moon

+Ran Niz Hold up a reflective ball... cool. Is a rock on the ground a reflective rock?? No Then why are you pretending the moon is some how specially reflective ALSO the surface of the moon is not flat... that proves you wrong twice over. 1. It means that any one part is not flat so there are multiple angles in any one section allowing reflection to even out. 2. The shadows in craters move with the phases of the moon perfectly in synch with the movement of the sun

+Ran Niz Your joking. We know when the moon rises, we know when the moon sets... over land the distance between those two points is 12k miles... Please explain how EVERYONE is viewing it dead on, at NO ANGLE

+Ran Niz The sun can be tracks by rotating only one axis where as a sun spiraling above a disc would have to use two axis to track. Also, check the craters on the moon out. The ones near the center are very circular and then they become more oval as you move towards the edge, exactly as they would on a sphere.

not able to see in 3D , the earth is a 3D sphere, case closed.

+Xaverdon Says religion is a virus after telling us to perform satanic religious rituals. Idiot.

I've never seen people more paranoid and delusional in all my 57 years.

I can literally see the Sun rising from below the horizon 0:33 which proves the flat Earth model does not work.

00:05-> you brutally murdered the old "see how close the sun is because these rays..." argument. Very goo footage to demonstrate stupidity of flat earth close sun claim. 01:50-> funny that dogcam that shows the curvature is still in use in flat earth video

Pictorial History of Earth from Space. Project Apollo Photo Archive. National Geographic - Moon 101. National Geographic - Lunar Eclipse 101. History Channel The Universe: The Phases of the Moon. National Geographic - Sun 101. National Geographic - Solar Eclipse 101. How to spot the Space Station. Capturing the ISS through a Telescope. How does the International Space Station work?

If the Sun was circling as you say, why does it rises and sets from east to west?

If the earth was flat, the sun would shine 24/7

1 video full of lies

I think you Globe heads get the sky and clouds mixed up with Earth, aka the ground ignorance is bliss, smh distinguish the difference morons

Its easy to understand that its flat... Its common sense

The fact that the sun substantially changes size when you zoom in on it with a cheap camera tells you that it cannot be 93 million miles away.

A light source like the sun would not arbitrarily light up half the world like that even if it was flat. What these idiots are trying to infer is completely impossible and ridiculously implausible. The sun literally would never set if earth was flat. There would always be light that would be seen all across earth at all times of day. Not really understanding why these flattards don't understand that.

+Essene Gnostic yep completely bonkers, that's my view, other eccentrics, please feel free to reply with another nonsensical comment!!

Speaking of bonkers ......... :-D

Don't mix Jesus with flat earth deception. Jesus and pals + early church never rejected sphere as satanic lie.

+Ran Niz So place a golf ball in front of a search light... Tell me how far that shadows goes My God how can you be this fucking stupid!!!

+Ran Niz Wow, you really are dumb... that is exactly what I didn't say... Hahahahahahaha Asteroids explode on contact Plenty on nonr circular craters Lol

+Ray Whitson also explain the size of the shadow of the moon on earth during eclipse. Only 70ml, what a joke. Do a simple experiment with torch and your hand. See if you can ever make shadow 50 times smaller than you hand.

+Ray Whitson you explained nothing. Are you still say you believe that every single meteor hit almost dead on , no one hit come in at a acute angle. And you didn't explain why there are crators facing earth directly. Also didn't clarify your other post of moon is rock that doesn't shine. Lastly, it very convenient you are staying evidence and fact when we have never ever seen a meteor hit the moon. Or one that ever hit the earth for that matter. You just make things up and blindly believe the scientists.

+Ran Niz Really... impact craters. Have you tried googling it. Been explained a million times... let's go for a million and one. The asteroid when it hits has a tremendous amount of energy that is realised on impact... do you know what we call things that do that... an bomb... you know what bombs do when they explode... they create circular craters AND if that is not bad enough... there are plenty of impact craters that are NOT circular. Like I said, you are not smart enough to be having this conversation

+Ran Niz You're confused... you see the difference YOU claimed how a reflective sphere behaves..then pretended that the moon should behave the same way. Letd be clear. You are too stupid to know the earth is not flat... and too stupid to understand the people telling you the earth was a sphere were correct. You clearly are not smart enough for this conversation

+Ray Whitson what did you just say! You are the ones saying the moon is a special reflective rock. Your and idiot. Don't you get it we all believed the same things you did . Then we woke and realised how stupid they are and how stupid we were to believe. Back to the point YOU are supposed to explain the highly receive rack you call a moon. Then explain anomalies of the reflection. Don't start on the crators. How are a round and no side impact marks. And all facing earth as if we shit rocks at the moon.

Yes key word you are using is round not sphere, so continue your logic with earth, ROUND and flat. Are you saying you can tell all want we observe in sky are SPHERES, they are just lights. Even the moon doesn't look like a sphere, it looks like a slightly curved disc looking at us. You also can't tell if any of the planets are spinning, the moon isn't spinning so again continue your logic , the earth isn't spinning. Really think about it, from a child if no one discussed the earth to you as you know it and then when your say 25yr old, had to describe what you live on, what would you say? Especially if someone said we are spinning the speeds the scientists tells us. You would laugh at then, and they never be able to convince you.

+Ken G.Thanks for idiot! This is your way! Reset Cities & Ghost Towns Waiting For The Next Wave of Civilization Fake History: Invented 5000+ Years, No Tombstones Earlier Than i625

+Ken G. Are you a robot?

Are you flat earth IDIOTS ever embarrassed about being SSOOO shamefully uneducated, abysmally ignorant, LAUGHABLY STUPID and hopelessly delusional? Ask mommy to change your diaper you pathetic morons, you absolutely STINK of stupid.

The earth is NOT A PIZZA..!! It's concave and the light curves.. should research I bit more


You will not be left to educate yourself.

Most people cannot breath unless they are lying

you are not a speck of dust

we have all been dooped

I’ve watched a drone leave the completely ‘round’ earth and return which was filmed all the way

One of the early ones by Pbrane. I love it!

In trying to prove his nonsense, he shows you a perfect shot of earths curvature from the ISS. THANKS FOR PROVING THE CURVATURE.

If this IS proof to you, then you have been wearing the stupid helmet for too long already

I cant believe people are stupid enough to believe such obvious bullshit

lol . typical . you mistake glare for the size of the sun .. attach an actual solar filter to your camera . the sun does not change size . And no . parallel lines "converge" at infinity .. not "at your horizon" lol .. nice theory though ..

If you centered the Sun on North America , Europe would be on the far side of the curvature apex and thus be in darkness, but this simply does not happen.

I mean, even the comparison to the city lights?? I mean seriously all of you who speak condescendingly about this GFOH. At least show some respect. You don't even have to admit it 100 yet. Just stop the condescending tone because in LIGHT of evidence like this you only make yourself look stupid and arrogant.

The "Global" temperature variations make no sense given a sun that is supposedly 93 million miles away with a diameter of 864,938 miles ............ total nonsense, but many have fallen prey to Jesuit hocus pocus /power of suggestion.

How can you refute the evidence in this video? You CAN'T. So of course "globe earthers" instead of actually addressing the evidence such as the horizon CLEARLY NOT DISAPPEARING EVENLY, you in typical fashion resort to ad hominems "such as p brain" (what are you 7?) and asking YOUR OWN RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS. Let's make a rule my fellow people who know the earth is fixed, stationary, and immovable. Let's not answer any more "globe earthers" condescending questions until they learn to speak with respect, and answer our EXCELLENT questions that we first postulate. Please and thank you.

Why do you think we can see forever. How long before a plane leaves you sight. Or when you let a party heleum balloon go, how far can you see go up. Same for the sun. Your assuming light travels for ever. In that case, continue the logic and that means at night time the whole sky should be white light from all the billions of stars. No black at all, well no where near the amount we see, if light does travel for ever.

+Space ain't fake what , ha, ha,.its a massive difference if we are not a center. Someone at outer edge looking back in, will see many more stars. And your example only works if the universe is very young as to not have enough stars to fill the sky. Google can open the mind of a critical thinker but closes that of globers.domyou not notice your reasoning that you have say SUPER, and MUST be a star that hasn't reached us. We should be discovering new stars literally every day in your theory.

+Ran Niz Yes it does matter, because those light sources that are farther away than there has been time for the light to reach us we dont see. where on earth did I say a finite number of stars .. the universe is finite but incredibly large, why does the big bang model have to be infinite? It actually implies finite space . with a begining . and and end . Stars are born and die all the time. the sky is not blazining white at night because the stars that are super distant away from us have their light shifted out of the visible spectrum, or the light has just not reached us yet. For and example of the shifting out of the visible . think CMBR ... that is the remnant of the "first light" of the big bang. What are we expanding into? Good question . some theorize the multiverse is like a swiss cheese and the universe is one of those bubbles . and no . expanding does not imply a container (technically expanding is not exactly correct . every object is getting further apart from every other object at a rate relative to how far apart those objects are.).. and lol .. ok this is a standard FE'r proof we are at the center of everything . so tell me, you are in a rowboat in the middle of the ocean you look around you as far as you can see and its all ocean .. so obviously you are at the center of the ocean, right ? lol .. but to a point . you are correct . we are at the center of OUR visible universe .. some one on alpha centuri would have a different visible universe . tough to wrap those brain cells around, but I know you can do it .. and actually .. I have some studies in astronomy and cosmology under my belt . but why on earth are you knocking google .. you lot get ALL your info from other nutters you tube videos . and we cant see forever . but the hubble can see about 13.5 billion years out .

+Space ain't fake NO, it doesn't matter how big its getting. Expanding is means new stars are forming as well. Are you seriously saying at the big bang theory was a finite amount of stars. In your model the universe has to be infinite. You can't have it both ways. By definition, expanding into what? Expanding inffers a container. So earth can't have a dome but space can? Your reasoning only can make sense if earth is at the centre. Anywhere else in an expanding universe other than centre , my question is still valid. See you can't do research without critical Thinking. When you say research, you mean google an answer that sounds like it fits your narrative. When you stop thinking, we continue, that's the difference. If expanding, then is only ONE layer of space is doing this? Infinite starts at infinite distances at infinite angles to earth, therefore entire night sky should be white.

Actually . that was a vexxing scientific problem for over 200 years . it wasn't until the discovery of an expanding universe that the answer became clear .. you know . like all you nutters say .. do your research ..

+Ran Niz Except that neither the sun or the moon change in apparent size from when they rise to when they set, which the law of perspective tell us is only possible for objects that are really big and really far...

If a plane was flying a straight, but a low altitude, it too would look like it went behind the horizon, when if in fact it is a globe it would be much further before it "curved" out of sight.

Don’t forget the sun shining on the underside of the clouds during the first 30 seconds.

Assuming that the sun is circling around the north pole on a 6000 miles radius circle, 3000 miles up over the flat earth, basic geometry tell us that its elevation should never drop below 14 degrees (at midnight) for an observer at the equator. Atmospheric refraction accounts for a max of +/- 1 degrees of variation of the observed elevation of object close to the horizon. How can the sun reach the horizon on the FE, without ever changing size, then gradually disappear bottom first, while simple basic geometry tell us that it should never drop below 14 degrees above the FE plane???

Sigh !!

+claudbase LOL!!! You are one dumb Mo'f*ker . The closer the object the more it will increase in size, because you are closer to it ............ what the hell !!! ROTFL !!!

+Essene Gnostic God damn you're thick, the fact that a zoom can increase the apparent size of any object has nothing to do with the distance to the object, but only with the "ANGULAR SIZE" of the object. Talking about stupid, you are way up their with the best!

+claudbase Where did I say you can't zoom in on objects? What I am saying is that the amount you can zoom in / increase the size of the Sun is far too great for an object that is supposedly 93 million miles away ....... sheeeeesh you globeheads are stupid !!!!

+Essene Gnostic Why do you believe that we can't zoom on objects that are far away? A zoom simply increase the angular size of any object. The sun and the moon and any object that have a 0.5 degree angular size, when looked at with a 10x zoom, increase to 5 degree in angular size... It's not a question of distance but of angular size.

+Mike Mental You would require a mind to have one blown ........... Take the class. Seriously. Educate yourself and understand the difference between a captured zoom and a live zoom. Thus endeth the lesson.

+Essene Gnostic wow. Mind blown. Take the class. Seriously.

+Mike Mental I would suggest you take one. Zooming capability is only as effective given the proximity of the subject. If you stand 20 feet from an object and move ten feet closer to it that object should appear 50% closer, if there ia a similar object 10 feet behind the original object that one will appear approximately 33% closer. Again, use your head for once in your life. Might I suggest " Mental Case" in lieu of "Mental" ? ...... :-D

+Essene Gnostic That is how zooming works. Zoom zooms as much as it has capacity to zoom. Zoom zoom. The problem with sun and you zooming starts if you think it is some small unidentified circleling object above imaginary plate. Sun is actually pretty huge. Enormous if i may say. Zoom zoom. Zooming is basically magnifying. Zoom zoom. Take photograhy class. It is fun.

+Mike Mental Obviously you don't. What do you think I should be able to zoom in 93 million miles and see flames coming off the surface ? Use your head Einstein.

So no understanding about how zooming works?

+Rob Stammers How can I possibly top your nonsensical comments !! :-D

Smh. I meant the theory of which was initially postulated. The whole problem was redshifts in infrared in the wrong direction. In steps gravitational lensing. Not even going to explain that to you. In your arrogance you should know what I mean, but I'm sure you don't. And this "..." is an ellipses since you like to insult the intelligence of others. And I said redshifts IN the infrared spectrum, there is a difference. "REAL science does not need a truck load of buts, whatabouts and special cases" Exactly. And you have made it abundantly clear that you don't even understand just how many branches of heliocentric science contradict each other, or why. How did they come up with the theory of dark matter and dark energy, and why? If you can answer that you may actually begin to understand what I'm saying. But I'm done kiddo. Since you want to gloss over things like salar de uyuni like they don't matter even though you have yet to wrap your fragile mind even around that, that is all I will respond to you with until you can answer that simple question. Won't even ask you to solve the mystery of the cosmic microwave background radiation, and what it means.

+Nunya Business right . heavenly shells .. no I dont have to assume they are idiots .. they prove it every day . Yes . there are many things modern physics (and cosmology , and particle physics etc etc) are trying to explain, the shape of the earth is not one of them. lol . I like the way you say "redshifts and the infrared spectrum" .. gravitational lensing has nothing to do with either of those . and the infrared spectrum is just part of the electomagnetic spectrum, redshift is when certain absorption lines are shifted towards the red end of the spectrum .. one has nothing to do with the other. See .. you prove it every day

And before you google search and parrot some "science" you don't even understand. I am referring to WHAT CAUSES RADIATION.WHY DOES IT HAPPEN? ON A MOLECULAR LEVEL? Is what I meant. Same w gravity, dark energy, or many other of their BS THEORIES.

Yes I can. Because the galaxies are light sources on another heavenly shell. You should study ptolemy's cosmogony. That is closer to the truth than the modern heliocentric nonsense. "And another thing . with you lot its always have you seen it , have you yourself been there/done that pfft . then its fake .. yet the telescope test is trivial to do .but you have no desire to look into it and accept all those flying pig videos as gospel" never said that. Matter of fact even said I would. Three words for you. SALAR DE UYUNI. Guess science is yet to explain that too huh? If you actually understood modern physics, and the heliocentric model, you would understand that there are many, many, many things they are yet to explain. I understand gravitation lensing, and how the theory of dark matter was originally postulated perfectly. Don't think you do. It has to do with redshifts in the infrared spectrum. That's your problem, you assume all "flat earthers" are idiots that don't know what they are talking about bc that's how you were programmed to think. You continue to insult my intelligence instead of accurately addressing the things I'm saying. The fact that you think man knows what radiation "is" shows your infancy. Man can calculate it somewhat close to accurately as they can the effects of "gravity" and "dark matter" but don't know what it is. I assure you. I haven't said one thing is fake. And I have addressed you accurately, respectfully, and scientifically, so please don't compare me to anyone else bc I'm probably not even familiar w half of them.

+Nunya Business Lol . I have seen many convincing videos of pigs flying, yet I am pretty sure they cant. And wait . refraction, and light scattering are ridiculous theories??? .. but that is exactly what you lot try to use with your "selective prespective(tm)" and why things vanish from the bottom up! As for dark matter (and dark energy) . while we don't know what it is . we can observe its presence through gravitational lensing. And the theories fit the observations .. can YOU give ANY reason why distant (and yes even not so distant) galaxies dont fly apart . other than its fake ? For the longest time science did not know "what" radiation was . and then we did .. was it fake that entire time we couldn't explain it? And while you scream . but videos, and it would not be possible to happen on a globe thats why globers need ridiculous theories (that mind you have been tested and shown correct over and over and over again) I notice you failed to even try to explain how on a flat earth . once the sun is "to far for us to see its light" .. we still see its light (dusk or dawn) whats your ridiculous theory then .. And another thing . with you lot its always have you seen it , have you yourself been there/done that pfft . then its fake .. yet the telescope test is trivial to do .but you have no desire to look into it and accept all those flying pig videos as gospel. .. thats the whole problem with you lot . you really have no desire to actually learn anything . you just want to feel special and be part of a elite group that knows all about "The Conspiracy" .. lmfao .. One final word . I dont expect you to believe me, everything I have mentioned can be looked up and or done yourself Even the gravitation lensing around dark mater, while the math is beyond most of us I would guess, the explanations .. and yes even videos .. make sense and are repeatable and it all fits together.. its you lot that consider research to be looking at each others videos and misrepresenting shady results from questionable "experiments" , As jerenism said "hmmm . interesting" and then blamed it on weeds .. OMFG .. I'm done .. let me know when you discover fire ..

Exactly friend again proving my points. They need ridiculous theories like the light being scattered for their theory to work. You shouldn't be able to see light once the sun sets on a globe or more accurately an ellipsoid. PERIOD. But they need theories like the light scattering back to you. And if it's so grade school what's the theory called? I would watch that condescending tone. Just like distance galaxies should rip apart based on their theories so they pull one out of their ass such as dark energy to explain how they stay together. You are right, I have not done the experiment myself. See how easy that is to admit when I mean it? You were right. Wish globe earthers would give us the same respect and actually admit many things don't make sense on a "globe earth" instead of just moving on to another topic when it's convenient to them. That being said, I have seen many convincing videos of exactly what I stated via YouTube and other sources. Have I been out on a boat and done it myself yet? NO. I have however, seen enough evidence (not that that matters this is spiritual believe it or not) such as the horizon line setting with the sun as opposed to the whole horizon line setting at once as this video shows. Also, depending on the timing, not sure how much a difference 3 in would make vs 8 in unless we're talking about women ;-). To your point, if I don't believe them without doing it myself, why should I believe you? At least they have video evidence.

+Nunya Business nop . not true .. if I watch a ship go over the horzion with my 3 inch scope . and then look for it with my 8 inch scope . it is still gone . really . stop parroting other youtube vids and go try it yourself . And here is some science for grade schoolers: "When the sun is below the horizon its light doesn't reach you directly because the earth is in the way. But some of the light passing through the atmosphere above you gets scattered back to you, so it's not completely dark. As the sun goes further below the horizon, the scattering decreases (there's more earth in the way, so the light has to be scattered higher up in the atmosphere where the air is thinner) and it gets darker. The same thing happens in reverse before the sun rises." How do YOU explain dawn and dusk on a flat earth .. when the sun is "to far away to see" that means you cant see any of the suns light . but yet its still dusk . twilight ..

+Nunya Business shrugs . .then how does a proper solar filter make it appear to never change size . is it made of some magical material that knows how much to reduce or increase the size to keep it at ~30 arc minutes ? or is it pre programed to just show any light as 30 arch minutes in size . which can be easily shown not to be the case .. REAL science does not need a truck load of buts, whatabouts and special cases

Same way a ship does. Then it disappears. Then you get a bigger telescope. And it will come back. Do the same thing on top of a mountain look towards the sun where you still see the light AFTER THE SUN SETS look in that direction. Bet you see the ball of the sun again. Why don't you tell me why one would still see the sun's light after he sets on a globe? There is a name for this affect, but of course they blame it on "cosmic dust".

Did you ever see me say the sun was a lightbulb? Or I guess all heliocentric scientists have the exact same theories about everything huh? And yes FACTORS SUCH AS. THE CASING as I stated is one factor. The AIR and it's density and humidity between you and "task" are others. Even if you are wearing glasses or not are another factor that would determine the "glare" one sees. Again one of the reasons the "filter" theory doesn't hold water. Pun intended. I think that's how we started talking about that anyway? lol

The biggest 'why' question concerning the Flawed Erf should be: "How is it possible that a just rising/setting sun has 1 half above and 1 half below the horizon?"

+Nunya Business hmmm . 30 seconds of research .. "Glare is caused by a significant ratio of luminance between the task (that which is being looked at) and the glare source. Factors such as the angle between the task and the glare source and eye adaptation have significant impacts on the experience of glare. " so even your lightbulb example is wrong. (and I thought the sun was a lightbulb?)

Dude. Address all POINTS. Not one golden goose laying egg you THINK you've found. That's what all of you do. Ignore 80 good points and focus on one obscure debatable one. No time for that. The science is too deep for you to understand, for the sun itself cannot be exactly replicated on this earth. So why don't you focus on all the examples we gave that can?

Question. What causes the "glare" the atmosphere? In a lightbulb, it's the casing. CITY LIGHTS LOOK JUST LIKE THE SUN SETTING. ROFLMAO, you condescending troll.

+Essene Gnostic lol yes all those little magnifiers floating around up there .. no it is not .. the sun, when viewed through a proper solar filter remains ~30 arcminutes in size for the entire time it is visible . PS . i thought so .. after a grand total of 30 seconds of research . I did confirm that under certain circumstances the atmosphere can appear to SHRINK the sun vertically

+Space ain't fake You do understand that the sun is in fact magnified over distances as a result of particles in the air ....... don't you ? ........ good lord !!

+Nunya Business filtering out glare .. you can do the same thing (show glare) with a lightbulb .. Ohhh .. thats right .. the sun IS a lightbulb .. roflmao

+Nunya Business good lord cant ONE of you nutters invest in an actual solar filter for you camera and use it . I think they might be like $25US for a standard size lense .. the sun does not change size

+Essene Gnostic good lord cant ONE of you nutters invest in an actual solar filter for you camera and use it . I think they might be like $25US for a standard size lense .. the sun does not change size

But but, there's no filter! They'll say. Lmao. Because filtering out light is good for any scientific experiment.

Exactly friend, exactly.

+Nunya Business One problem, globers don't think, they are programmed not to.

Here's a thought. Why don't you actually address all the VERY GOOD points he brought up in his own video before you come on his page asking your own questions? And FYI. Watch it again. Pretty sure you see the sun start small at horizon and bigger as it approaches.

It actually doesn't .........

+Nunya Business No mater how you try to redefine what is east and west on a flat earth, we all agree that they are in opposite direction from each other (180 degrees). On a flat earth the sunrise and sunset would not be in opposite direction for the observer at the equator. Simply draw a circle that represent the sun travel in 24 hours, select an "observer" point anywhere on the circle, at noon the sun is over the observer, 6 hours earlier the sun was 1/4 of a turn in the NE direction of the observer an 12 hours later, the sun would set NW direction.

+Nunya Business For an observer at the equator, where would the sun rise and set during the equinox on a flat earth? In most if not all FE models, the sun rotates around the north pole in 24 hours not to far above the earth plane. The sun would thus rise in the NE direction and set in the NW direction 12 hours later. Now that's not what is observed in reality. During the equinox, the sun rises exactly due east and set exactly due west, and this simple fact is true anywhere on earth.

+Nunya Business the sun doesnt set in straight line^ but you just take the example of the equinox when the sun is perfectly aligned in the east-west direction. and you also said that the eas tand west are where the sunrise and sunset are.. so, at the equinox, when the sun isperfectly aligned at the equator with the east-west axis, where the sun is doing a curve??? and the rest of the year, when the sun is more in the south, what is the circular path followed??? I think you are lost in your geometry and dont know what a circular movement is. did you need some help?

+Colin Parkinson nnnnooo way aphrodite for all !!! peace and love !!! well... more love than peace ;-) with good curve... oohhh... yeah... aphrodite!!! ;-)

Well, Yahweh is my God. And He is the One True God. Btw, Thursday get's it's name from "thor" just a fun fact.

+Nunya Business which god? I like Thor as a preference.

+Nunya Business mmm... how its possible to have west matching the sunset? if the movement is a circular one causing the sun to go to the north to be able to go on top of the next country which is at this position??? or are you saying that a country west from my position is really at the west (90deg from the north/south axis) which mean I'm at the west of the country too... so... like 2 countries on a globe each one at the west of the other. in this case its working, the sunset is correctly setup. but the circular movement is not the sun, its the rotation of the earth. in this condition its working. else the path of the sun cant be the one we are seeing. if a friend go away from me, I cant see him only if an obstacle is between him and me. else there is no reason to not see him. did you notice how far you can see the clouds? and how the cloudsare hidden by the ground? so... conclusion??? its the ground which hide them from my eyes. and how its possible to have the ground hiding stuf.... ???? because the ground is curved and the objects are following this curve, at some point, the ground will hide them from my eyes. you understand how a simple logic can help you understanding the wolrd?

And also, the sun does not set in a straight line in reality. Watch a sunset.

That's the problem friend. Understanding physics and geometry. Whether or not the earth is a flat circle. On a flat circle (which it is) E to W is Clock-wise. W to E is counter clockwise. It is not a linear motion. "if you have nothing between you and the sun, what is causing this?" Gee idk friend, when you have a friend of yours walking away from you on a plateau or uphill and they eventually disappear, what causes that? And that is where you are wrong. West is exactly the motion of sunset. Again, depends on what type of 3D object we are speaking. Over a cylinder like object, or a spherical like object. The effects you are referencing are called procession. Now picture that it is the sun that is processing, and not the wobble of the earth's axis.

+Nunya Business beyond eyesight... interesting. what is causing the limit of the eyesight? if you have nothing between you and the sun, what is causing this? and like you say, if the sun is traight to the West, how he can be to the west while you said its a circular movement ???? how its possible to keep a straight line in a circular movement? remember, west is at 90deg from the north/south direction. west is not the sunset direction. so with a globe, its working perfectly. but with a flat earth and a circular movement, the sun , at sunset, should be north west on top of the next country. or for you the west direction changes and west is not at 90deg from the north/south axis?

I see what you were thinking though young grasshoppa. Keep thinking like that, with actual logic, and you will eventually see it. Then God can take you to seeing the Whole thing.

Well in the manner in which you are putting it. Beyond the horizon would be beyond eyesight, and at an angle. And what you said about the sun setting is not true. The sun would be overhead at the equator during the equinox (as that is from where both words derive meaning equal), therefore it would set due W. Now during the summer solstice you would see a NW setting orientation. And during the winter solstice you would see a setting of SW orientation.

+Nunya Business If the sun was moving in a circular path above a FE, it would rise NE and set NW during the equinox for an observer at the equator and significantly change size throughout the day. In reality, the sun rises due east and set due west and doesn't change in size. Further more their is no "beyond the horizon" on a flat earth plane, unless you are talking of imaginary Antarctica ice wall limit...

+Nunya Business Yes it is obvious that you have no idea what I am talking about, and that is the problem. The sun has an angular size of about 0.5 degrees, which means that the rays coming from the right edge of the sun are not parallel to the rays coming from the left edge of the sun. These rays are 0.5 degrees apart... If all the rays coming from the sun where perfectly parallel, the sun would look like a single point in the sky (like a stars)

+Nunya Business how, which angle? which angle are you expecting? and the angle on which axis? what are you expecting when you see the rays from the top? something like this... mmm... well... the sun is not close! come on say it: perspective !!!! :)

No idea what you're talking about friend. What I do know, if the sun were 93 million mi away the rays of the sunlight would come straight in, and break at a far more acute angle than we see. Again, also no sunspots over water.

Beyond the horizon means E to W in a circular trajectory.

+Nunya Business "that is you still seeing the sun's light as it is gone beyond the horizon" What does "beyond the horizon" even mean on a FE??? Objects above a flat plane gradually shrink in apparent size as they get farther from an observer (which the sun and moon do not do...), and never end up disappearing bottom first below the plane (as the sun and moon do...).

+Nunya Business lol you dont know the perspective? the rays in the clouds are exactly this. for 1 time you can use the word : perspective without doing a mistake, you dont use it. lol

You think about that Einstein. Why would you be able to see clouds lit up from "below" on a globe once the sun was beyond the horizon? Hmmmm? Refraction?

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!?? This lack of understanding science is getting RIDICULOUS. 30 SEC MARK PROVES "FLAT EARTH" That is not clouds being lit up that is you still seeing the sun's light as it is gone beyond the horizon. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE ON A GLOBE. Not to mention if you watch everything around the 30 sec mark you see the light breaking through the clouds at angles which WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF THE SUN WERE OVER 90 MILL mi away, even if THE SUN WAS 1 MILL MI AWAY THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN. It's like you just watched the video looking for the two secs that would prove your point, AND YOU STILL FAILED.

I think that FE video makers are leaving mistakes, like a serial killer would purposely leave clues, because they secretly want to get caught and treated for their illness.

EXACTLY. The light is not 93 mill mi away from the billiard or you wouldn't see it. If it were a large ball of gas it would engulf in light, not create a spot. And I'm talking either from space, or sea level, they look relatively the same.

+Nunya Business Sun spots are darker features observed on the surface of the sun. You are talking about a bright spot that can be seen on the ocean in pictures taken from space... This simple phenomena is true for any relatively smooth sphere light by some small angular size light source (Example the reflection of a ceiling light on a billiard ball...)

That's a good point about the .5 degree angular degree size. Finally a " globe earther" that can somewhat look at things from down here. Which proves my point you will learn soon enough. The point is. A ball of gas 93 mill mi away would not produce a small sunspot over the earth's water. Don't believe me? Replicate it in an experiment.

+Nunya Business How do you know the sun is not a physical object? Solar filter are not only used to protect from the "harmful effects of direct gazing" they are also used to avoid saturating the sensor and enable a reliable way to measure the angular size of the sun. What does the sun spots have to do with the sun being 93 million miles away? The sun like the moon are about 0.5 degrees in angular size and both have easily visible features on their surface. What's you point?

Your statement shows you don't understand how light works. The sun isn't a "physical object" so to speak but a light source. And fyi the only reason a filter is used is due to the alleged harmful effects of direct gazing. Not to get a more accurate "size" reading. Why are there small sunspots under a sun that is 93 mill mi away?

+Ran Niz "Remember the moon is a sphere" Let me put a nail in your fucking stupid FE coffin... The Moon is visible at any given time by half the Earth at a time... that is someone seeing it rise and someone seeing it set are more than 12k miles apart... even on an FE. On any given night ALL observers see a slightly different angle to that sphere... to were you get about a 2% variation for all observers... MEANING we see about 52% of the Moon surface on a night... and due to variations in it orbit more than 400 years ago we mapped 59% in total... Guess what buttercup... if the Earth was flat then the moon MUST be close... less that 4k miles above the surface... so PLEASE EXPLAIN how we ALL see only 52% on a given night when it being that close it should be closer to 85% Good luck!!! I know you will be wrong but I will laugh my ass off at the answer :D

+Ran Niz "Go outside and observe! Your eyes have focal point of 238k? Go on, go back to you computer model, draw a ball 3.4k km wide and move it back 238k miles, you believe you can see it that big in sky." Fuck oh dear the dumbshittery keeps on coming... Angular size... the amount of "real estate" an object will take up your field of vision... the moon is about half a degree... It is half a degree if it is its actual size and actual distance... or 100 times smaller and a 100 times closer... it would the be SAME ANGULAR SIZE... My God the fact you think you are smart is so hilarious as to be dishabilitating!!!

+Ran Niz "Remember the moon is a sphere, you cant bounce waves of it. It will never come back to you" Thank you for that... the simple FACT that you accept it is a sphere PROVES the Earth is not flat... but besides that MORON... you do not get a 100% return... you do not need it... so once again thank you for proving you are a fucking idiot!!

+Ran Niz "he, ha, ha, radio waves. You just bring up shit. Where can you buy this radio wave machine that can bounce of the sun. " I never said Sun... I said Moon... fuck you are dumb. You NEVER heard of a HAM Radio... you just need to get a signal booster and there you go... they have been doing it for as long as HAM Radios have been around... Millions of everyday people have done it... and once again you prove you are a fucking idiot :D

+Ray Whitson he, ha, ha, radio waves. You just bring up shit. Where can you buy this radio wave machine that can bounce of the sun. Again avoiding the question, and turning to insults. Remember the moon is a sphere, you cant bounce waves of it. It will never come back to you. Again you show your lack of critical thinking. Only bounce of if it's flat. Even in your theory, you should be saying that there is only one point on SPHERE earth that can bounce wave off, and tat has to be exactly perpendicular to moon. Anywhere else, the distances you state, the radio wave will bounce of into space. So I'm doing the thinking for you again. Go outside and observe! Your eyes have focal point of 238k? Go on, go back to you computer model, draw a ball 3.4k km wide and move it back 238k miles, you believe you can see it that big in sky.

+Ran Niz " Go on halve every value it works, time every value by 100, it works. Go outside observe reality." My God how do you even breath being this stupid... So PLEASE... go outside and observe reality and tell me if the Moon is 6k miles away of 6 million or 6 billion??? How would we EVER be able to figure that all out... OH WAIT... we have radio waves that we can bounce off the Moon and measure how long it takes for them to come back... Guess what retard it is around 238k miles away... SO... You don't get to just decide on what the scale is... we know what the scale is and you are too fucking dumb to know how fucking dumb you are.

+Ran Niz "continue not to answer anything again. It's a computer simulation, off course they are going to make it work you idiot" OMFG you are so dumb... seriously!! First off retard... you SAID "To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale."" BUILDING A COMPUTER MODEL IS DRAWING IT TO SCALE!!!! So ya.. you are dumb as fuck and you just love to let everyone know :D

+Ray Whitson continue not to answer anything again. It's a computer simulation, off course they are going to make it work you idiot. Go on halve every value it works, time every value by 100, it works. Go outside observe reality. 93mil miles away, what a joke.

+Ran Niz "To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale." This is what I find particularly interesting about your claim... There are dozens of programs out there right now who have it all mapped out to fine detail... where it shows real lighting mechanics and places everything where it belongs and SHOWS the umbra and penumbra going across the earth exactly how it is done in reality... No FE idiot has ever debunked it... you just simply deny it... with no proof.

+Ran Niz Simply put. Place a sun and moon as large as they are, at the distance from each other, as they are... with the earth being as far from the moon as we are... And you will PERFECTLY map out the movement of the heavens but also predict the exact size of the umbra and penumbra to within inches of their location on earth. I know this confuses you... but it is still reality!

+Ran Niz "love how you just ignore all light except the days that fit your calcs." "no only larger if you keep thinking of your presupposition." Try and quote what you are replying too...these make ZERO sense in relation to anything... so try again.

+Ran Niz "why make both larger? " Because they are... DUH... " To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale." Been done a BILLION times and works perfectly every time... just because you are too stupid to understand what you are shown don't blame that one on me. "The umbra and penumbra is just min and max shadows. It doesn't represent the actual size of object" No shit... "At your claimed distances the light would be so defused " Defused by what??? LOL! You do know for 93 million miles it only has less than 60 miles of relatively dense atmosphere to go through... GOD DAMN you are dumb!!!

+Ray Whitson no only larger if you keep thinking of your presupposition.

+Ray Whitson love how you just ignore all light except the days that fit your calcs.

+Ray Whitson why make both larger? Again to make your example work. To scale it will never work , which is why no ballers ever draw it to scale. No one has ever drawn up an eclipse to size and made the Moonshadow 70ml wide on Earth. Again you google what suits you and don't note any sizes. The umbra and penumbra is just min and max shadows. It doesn't represent the actual size of object. At your claimed distances the light would be so defused that you should never see shadow of moon unless it was very close to Earth along with the sun.

+Ran Niz "The moon shadowing earth during eclipse is 40x smaller. Not a little a lot. Draw it up any way you like, it never works." Thanks AGAIN for proving me right... You know if the Moon was closer the "dot" would be larger... and if the "dot" was smaller the Moon would be further away... so the SIMPLE FACT that there is a dot, the umbra... and we also have a penumbra... Proves you are a fucking idiot :D

+Ran Niz "Now to make this even clearer, because you are now obviously a troll, the shadow won't be a sharp and dark but also have blurred larger shadow." You mean the penumbra... as we see in reality... thanks for proving me right!!! Again!!!

+Ran Niz "the light from sun rays are comming in almost directly straigh" Yep... ALMOST... which proves me right.

+Ran Niz " Large search light against a ball? Move that light millions of miles back, your example fails." And make them BOTH millions of times larger than they work perfectly. If you build it ALL to scale then the light works EXACTLY as we see in REALITY with an umbra and penumbra... Seriously how can you be this stupid!!

+Ray Whitson keep pretending not to understand. You tried to make point by misrepresenting the eclipse. Large search light against a ball? Move that light millions of miles back, your example fails. 99%, what a joke, you know what I meant. When you see an eclipse, the light from sun rays are comming in almost directly straight. Even with your stupid example, if you draw it up, you don't just draw a ray line from top and bottom of light source to the object in front. You would also have rays from the centre of the light source hitting the object Infront, which is why a shadow is always BIGGER,. Now to make this even clearer, because you are now obviously a troll, the shadow won't be a sharp and dark but also have blurred larger shadow. The moon shadowing earth during eclipse is 40x smaller. Not a little a lot. Draw it up any way you like, it never works. Which is why you used the large search light.

+Ran Niz "again you avoid the question, how are there crators directly inline with earth." FUCK DUDE... you do realize not getting the answer you like is DIFFERENT then not getting an answer at all. I explained it to you... CRATERS being circular does NOT require them to be "inline" with the Earth... There are PLENTY of craters on the Moon that are NOT circular, to begin with, and some that are clearly on the sides of the Moon... assuming you are not ALSO crazy as well as stupid and claim the Moon is flat.

+Ray Whitson again you avoid the question, how are there crators directly inline with earth. There literally hundreds of them. What, all just missed the earth and went on to hit the moon. You would see the entire Earth also have the same land scape then. Google is your religion, it's stops your critical thinking. You stop your logic when it suits your theory. all I'm doing is continuing your theory and digging deeper, I haven't come up with new theories.

+Ran Niz " In an eclipse, the sun is the same size as the moon" Fuck OH DEAR... how can you be SO STUPID!!! NO... it is RARELY the same size... its 99% of the Time either larger or smaller than the Sun... so what do you think that means??? So you are so fucking stupid that you PRETEND the Sun and Moon are the same size... then when observations PROVE they are not. That the Sun is MUCH larger and very far away BECAUSE of the Shadow the Moon throws... So if the Moon and Sun are the Same size... why is the Penumbra thousands of miles across... You want to complain about someone else posting too fast.... LOL!

+Ray Whitson ha,ha,ha, put a search light again a ball. In an eclipse the sun is the same size as the moon. This is why it's an eclipse, idiot. You rush to respond because you think you catch me out, but your just digging yourself ba bigger hole. Don't just make up experiment or re hash pics from you school book that are made to look like it works.

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