Happily Ever After

Happily Ever After

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This. Episode is sponsored by audible, and, they. Say that for your 25th. Anniversary, you should give you a spouse silver, and for, your 50th gold, I wonder. What people might give in the future for their 500th, anniversary. So. Today's episode is coming out on Valentine's Day, and it seemed a good time to turn our discussion, to the various challenges, changes. And advantages. The future might bring us in terms of forging, and maintaining. Relationships be. They romantic, platonic. Or familial, the. Future, is not simply a place of giant megastructures and, advanced, technology, we, can't discuss the civilizations. That might arise without. Contemplating, that human component, and suddenly, romance, is a big chunk of that of course. It's a popular topic in science fiction - and often challenges. Us to look at our core assumptions, about human behavior, in the future, unfortunately. It also often paints a picture in which marriages, or at least long-term, monogamous relationships. All very, rare and often. The author makes it clear that's a sign of enlightenment. In their eyes rather. Than simple personal, freedom of choice in, a society that need not worry so much about things like accidental. Pregnancies, or STDs. That's. Always allowed me the long way partially. Because of the implied boredom, that people who live for many centuries would, have to regard lifelong, marriage as an unrealistic, thing, they. May be right of course but boredom. As we discussed, with Life Extension on other occasions has, always struck me as a hand wave I can't. Really imagine being, bored with existence, and in yet because I'm a few centuries old, there's just too much to do to keep oneself occupied. Or amused and by, the same logic I can't, really imagine getting bored of my friends, or family either, oh to be, sure like, most of us I've made, new friends but. I've never really drifted away from others unless, we want in contact, for a long time people. Do change and will Devore if they're not interconnected. Friendships. Are like sculptures, it, hopes to start with a good block of stone so, who is a good basic match but, you still have to call them out and like any creation you're changed, by the walk - that. Is one big advantage, of the modern ward that will continue to improve we, all now have access to hundreds, of millions of people, increasingly. Tagged and indexed, to make it easier to find good matches, and so, it's fairly easy to find folks with multiple, shared interests, and compatible. Mindsets, and to build a genuine, friendship or romance, with them even if they live far away that. Deserves a caveat, though because back in the old days folks, only could interact with their village or tribe a few, hundred people and it can seem to offer a conundrum war. Those folks just settling for less or are we fooling ourselves about. How compatible, we are with others the. Answer probably lies in, between because. If relationships. Are based out of shared interests, experiences. And adversity. When, your whole Ward is just, your village that, actually is the place where everyone shares your interests, experiences. And adversities. On. The one hand a lot of us develop friendships, with coworkers because. They oh they oh and we are stuck in their company on the other hand people, are not randomly, distributed and, do not arrive at places randomly, odds, are two folks sharing a cubical wall at a programming. Company share, a lot more than that wall with each other they probably do have a lot of hobbies and paola experiences. In common, and will, probably come to share a lot of actual experiences, too as they, walk together and chat and share hobbies, and thoughts, and challenges, things. Change when you force meet and discover you share an interest in sci-fi conventions. - 10 years down the road where, you can say do you remember that time we were driving to that convention, and the car broke down and, we had to change the tile in a thunderstorm, of course. Challenges, and adversity are another, issue in the future, because, in a very utopian. Society, it is rather hard to forge a relationship with someone you've, been through tough times together with or, distinguish, your Fairweather, friends, from proven, ones who stuck with you through a rough patch when. Neither of you has experienced, any tough times or rough patches on. The other hand such, things all relative, a utopian. Society is, likely, to still have challenges, and hardships, and I, don't think all relationships. Are less genuine, than all ancestors. Just, because they objectively, had much Hodel lives than we do for. That matter it varies even with the individual, to a lot, of my closest friends all my old war buddies but, they all quite a few of them I'm not really close with and, I've plenty of other close friends who I have not shared life and death experiences. Or epic, stress and hold ship alongside, you.

Don't Necessarily, need to experience, stress, or tragedy, with someone to be close to them and. It does have the opposite, effect a lot of times too lots. Of friendships, and romances, have ended, painfully, by some shared stress or tragedy, with, money problems or an early death of another loved one being, two of the big ones though. The latter is less common, nowadays and the, formal poppy will be - as civilization. Advances, and grows more prosperous. Some. Would argue with. Plenty, of justification. That, relationships. That end of such things were fundamentally, flawed or d'un from the outset but I think that's overly, simplistic, everyone's. Got their kryptonite and you, generally, do not get to pick which bombs life, holds, your way this. Arguably, makes a good case for not limiting yourself to friends, or levels selected, by algorithms for, maximum, compatibility -. Since. They might be less likely to be good at placing you when something in life knocks you askew it's. Good to have shared interests, but it's also good to have skills and strengths, that cover over each other's weaknesses. It, also helps ensure they have something to do which you are not expected, to participate in, since. Often it's not boredom, indian, relationship, but, an intense desire to mordor the other person, because they're always there. Fortunately. Technology really, does help with that since, it makes travel, so easy literally. And metaphorically. Also. Since the channel always aims to stay on the polite side of pg-rated, I'll, just opt to point out that the other type, of boredom, with your partner might, be something for Chilhowie, can deal with this. Chair does at all get watched by kids sometimes. Though I bet they do know exactly what I'm in fine they are such. Htech obviously, helps with long distance relationships, too but, that implies the other person, or persons. Are real, and just joining you in VR I suspect. Most of us would still view that as adultery, I certainly, would but if the other persons, were strictly, simulations. It's, a bit more debatable it. Needn't be quasi adultery, though a couple, bored where things can switch up their own appearances, as easy, as they can switch around the background, and setting this. Is where we start getting into some of the potentially, fatal challenges. To civilization. One. Pathway we've already discussed, is perfect. Matching, where, algorithms, help you find the person who really is according. To the algorithms, anyway your, most optimum, match even. Annoying badly, designed algorithms people. Line on their profiles, and concerns. Of hacking this has plenty, of issues and arguably. Represents, a move back toward. Arranged marriages, it's. Not how to imagine, there been a lot of social, pressure to follow the results especially, if is hearing good results for other people, and probably, for you with normal, friendships, since, you were kid, remember. Dee dee aside this, is the same sort of technology that's, advising, you on what gifts to grab your friends, that they are like and what resort. You'd enjoy visiting or movies, you'd like watching, or books, you'd like reading if it's. Got a great track record for all the minor things for your whole life, and you know it's plain statistics. Not hunches, when, it suggests you might want to ask out Jenny particularly. Since she almost only has been provided, the same prediction, and you know it you're, probably going to ask her out as things. Proceed the models get better and probably, a lot harder to hack or lyin it's, probably all based on data being, collected from, discrete extrapolation. Anyway you're. Not putting in your favorite movies or books or, games all, the subtle little gadgets, in sauk way or surrounding, you are noticing, that you read a book what its title was and your various physiological responses. Indicating. How much you enjoyed it it, knows what your favorite songs are even, that embarrassing, pop song you'd never admit to liking. It also knows exactly which sort of people and looks make you Tony Oh head discreetly, for a prolonged view you, don't have to swipe right or swipe left because, it already knows what your perfect ten is and, what it actually is to not, what you tell other people or even yourself, this. Is all assuming such things I'll handle privately, under, the radar by some machine that, keeps it secret and renders, no more judgments. The. Flip side is, the high-tech equivalent. Of the skull that lettle we, already warned people to be careful what they post online because, it stays forever a warning, a lot of people seem to ignore even, when not using pseudonyms. Even. Ignore misinterpretation. Or out lie lies by someone you know who, has an axe to grind, someone's, reputation can, get rekt and have, it follow them around every.

Bit As visibly, as if we branded, it on them and, I could easily see folks turning more and more to options, that left them protected, like a virtual reality where. Anyone, you are interacting with might, be a simulation or, genuinely, anonymous. This. Gets into one of those big threats I mentioned a moment ago we've. Been discussing perfect, matching, but, we've also got the issue of tail the lien that's. Forced, a problem with virtual, reality where, you've got the option to make everything look and act, the way you want and that, society might collapse from folks losing interdependency, on, each other in favor of Lybian tailored, wards with tailored, people something, we looked at more in post scarcity and reality, last year, this. Comes attached with Wars about slavery if you're using artificial, intelligence. Especially. Very sophisticated, ones, and that, whole conundrum, we've discussed before about. If it's ethical, to make an artificial, intelligence, that specifically. Enjoys, whatever, was built for along, with the blurry lines of what exactly a person, is when, we get into artificial. Intelligence, or uploaded, minds. But. We also have to consider that people can tweet themselves, too and, not, just in appearance, it's. Quite likely cosmetic. Surgery will get good enough cheap, enough safe, enough and common. Enough that it becomes routine, and. I have no particular objection of, that he, society, that tries to emphasize people. Having control, over their own lives it, would seem a bit hypocritical to. Say you can whale whatever you want and decorate. Your house however you please but. Should feel bad about wanting to change your own appearance to be what you want it to be, particularly. If doing so isn't, dangerous to you either, literally, or because, it leads you down a path of financial. Ruin or self-hate, if. I don't like my short or my hairstyle, or beard I change, them this.

Is Obviously more extreme pulminary. Altering, things but. Maybe not so much so if it's easily reversible. But. We wouldn't be limited in tailoring just our bodies but, our personalities. - and same, as we already can change all appearances, fairly, radically, and often, do so we, often change our personalities. - or try, to anyway the success, rates are not terribly high we've. Talked before about how brainwashing. In the future is a threat both for fear of externally, forced brainwashing, and because, so many people would voluntarily. Do it as proven, by the existence, of self-help, books and the, giant market for them but. Being able to quit an addiction, by voluntary, brainwashing. Is just half the story, everybody. Has habits, that irritate the heck out of some loved one or other and if, brought to our attention we, will usually make an effort to rid ourselves of it or Cortile, it around them or tell, them off for mentioning it all of, the above it. Seems a bit different if you can get yourself programmed. To act differently, it's. Also not too hard for me to imagine wedding-vow. Is, being enforced entirely. Voluntarily. And not, even with coercion but. By some brain implant, or scrubbing, or voluntary, surveillance. Not. Many people want to get bored of a relationship or, be tempted to cheat on their significant, other so, if there's a safe and reasonable, way to get your brain tweaked just a little so you don't do that lots. Of people might not only agree to it but, enthusiastically. Line up for it ditto, folks, with anxiety, about commitment, might get a little tweak to quell that same. For options like being able to play a log of your location, or visual, input, to prove you've been behaving though. Asking, a partner to do that strikes, me as no better than insisting they show you their phone log or sneaking, in to read their emails but. As usual, we're discussing plausible, options and scenarios, on the table in the future not, the ethic, so underlying, motivation. To choose such options. To. An even more extreme end it's, easy to imagine someone, getting infatuated. With another and paying, a hacker to crack a system, to make them appear as an optimal match it's. Also pretty easy to imagine someone putting out software, that could analyze someone, determine. What would likely rank someone higher for them and then, going out and getting all the necessary physical and physiological, changes. To, hit those moles and. We will bypass the even more sinister scenario, of kidnapping. And brainwashing, someone, to want to be with them instead or making. A copy of them still. That is one option that might allow for very long relationships. To be normal, just tiny, tweaks voluntarily. Made where, the person would do that anyway but, either cannot, or does, not want to invest the time and willpower, to. Make the change the old-fashioned, way, we've. Other scenarios, on this high-tech into for. Instance last week we mentioned a gulnur style Kony ship with people facing an issue of whether to get off at the newest ward they will colonize him or stay, on board for the next one, and the, heart-rending, choice someone would have to make if a loved one was disembarking. While another was staying on for the next stop we. Said there that a person, might have the option of dividing. Themselves a clone, or Android, or duplicate, complete, with memories, and UN. You to go separate, ways that's. An option he'll to a person. Torn between selling down in a marriage or staying, single could, potentially, do both a person. Who wants to marry two people could opt for this quasi form of polygamy, and a, person who loves their family but also wants to try new things fall, away need. Not necessarily choose. There. Is all sorts of problems and objections, to such a path but, it is a potential, option on the table in the centuries, to come just. Because technology allows. An option. I mean we all jump on board either and often, because, other Tech's offer options, we might consider more, palatable, personally. A lot. Of sci-fi features, civilizations. Where people will cross matched to, their genetically, optimal, partner but. We don't really seem to have gone that route thus far and I doubt we will as the, kind of genetic skill needed to make that walk also. Likely gives you the superior, ability to correct genetic flaws, or add in traits, after.

All Your, perfection, etic potent oh and you merely have an optimized, pair of templates, you, don't actually get to control by normal, breeding which, combinations. Of traits is drawn, off that template for your children the. Same tech also, opens the door to same-sex, couples having. Kids who were not adopted, or only, had one of them as a parent, and also, potentially, broto parentage, like three or more people having, a kid who was genetically, all of those like, james horan from the expanse series with, a parent's all contributing. DNA, I would. Tend to doubt this multi parent Val would be super common, but, I could easily imagine societies. With effective, biological, immortality that. Will getting pre full of people having, low birth weights to achieve replacement. Levels where not much replacement, is needed and opting. To share kids I'd. Imagine, that would have a lot of downsides, too but, I can think of Wars childhoods. Than having a dozen parents who were all full of centuries, of wisdom and doted, on that kid, note. These options, also opened the door for, children whose parents were, friends, rather than romantic partners, many, of us already have people we call aunt or uncle or kids, who call us that who, are no blood relations, of owls one. Could imagine future. Societies, will folks planning, a child asked. Many friends, to add in a little DNA each, as a variation, akin, to be in someone's Godfather. You've. Also got some weird options, for relationships, too we. Mentioned the option of folks having their minds tweaked to be happier, or more faithful, in a relationship, but, we also often talk about how a marriage becomes, a union into a new entity I have, to admit I usually, warm my eyes at that but, it's on the table, - it. Would be pretty extreme for two people to marry by literally, having their brains into, a mingled into a single body and mind but, I could easily imagine folks, sharing some actual, memories, indeed, that's a common marriage ritual in Alastair, Reynolds revelation. Space series, folks. Implant, each other with a few precious memories, when married, with. An increase in online relationships. It's, not how to imagine, we'd start adapting gifts and tokens, to be less physical, instead. Of a physical ring here, are some memories that, sort of thing similarly. It's common, to give people a locket, with a photo in it or share, photos, on social media, sites and air, screens get cheaper and power, sources battle, I could. Easily imagine lockets. That show slideshows. Of images, or video, clips instead, I don't. Feel like checking but I'd imagine someone. Already makes those and if not I doubt, we'll go another decade, before they start appealing or getting more common, giving. People lockets, with stored memories or recordings, they can experience, by virtual, or augmented reality, might. Be normal to a little, further down the road of course. We also have the option of technological. Telepathy which. Could take on all sorts, of forms, keeping. To the conceptually, simple, you, might both get implanted, so you could talk to each other quicker and easier, than a phone permits or, know, which direction they are or share, feelings or sensations to. One degree or another that. Might get very amusing, or irritating. I could, imagine someone, who hated chocolate, but whose significant, other love the stuff picking, up a fondness for it because they can not only taste it every time the other one eats it but, experiences, their pleasure for two we. Will obviously bypass. The more adult, applications. Of shared sensations, then, I'm guessing almost, everyone, is thinking about light now anyway. Telepathy. Gets played with a lot in sci-fi too often. With hive minds or group marriages, and, we mentioned people dividing, themselves up to follow conflicting, life options, usually.

We Picture hive mind as many separate Minds merging, together but. An alternative on that would be something like you, duplicate, news a dozen, times over but, keeping those Minds all linked and synchronized, one. Could imagine such an entity having multiple, families that were themselves uninvolved. Of course. A duplicate, of you a classic, clone, shares, none of your memories, but, a high otech portion, of you could have those memories, or, might have those memories, but, a different body it's. Not hard to imagine someone, going that particular hivemind route, might, have different looking bodies for all that they shared a mind with more, like the classic hive, mind it's. Also not to you how to imagine, folks might go the opposite, gender with one or various, places in between or outside, the normal human templates, if, the Internet is anything to go by somewhere. Out there is, not only someone who likes you be a half-human, half-horse. Centaur but, someone, else who'd very much like to marry one to on the. Notion of telling one's partner as opposed, to seeking, the perfect match, such, cloning or duplication. Routes do, raise the option that you might copy, yourself on, the assumption, you're pretty good match be, that a straight copy or one treat in some fashion again. Not limited, just to physical tweaking like a gender, or appearance, change but possibly, a mental, one too if. We're assuming folks, have the right to brainwash themselves. That, could arguably, include your duplicates, too I think. Dating yourself would seem ultra, narcissistic. Even, with a change of appearance but one would have to at least acknowledge you'd, definitely share a lot of common interests. And experiences. Though. Personally I would take that as another good reason why perfect, matching, if focused, around shared interests, was, maybe not the optimum, way to find, partners or friends. Copies. Do divulge and over. A long enough time with, folks changing, over mind and body that, copy, might be no more you than someone who was raised in the same town or went, the same elementary, school heck. You might not even realize it, was a copy bumping. Into them decades later because, you both decide to go visit someplace you shared a memory of and both, of you have changed, appearances, as. We can see though the future holds a lot of potential, options for relationships. Romantic, or otherwise and. It would seem like there's nothing really excluding. People from, having classic, long-term, marriages in there, lots, of options for folks who want to go a different way but, nothing excluding, the traditional, many. Of these will need to tackle in the near future other, is not for a long time but. As we often note there's, actually a decent chance those of us alive pondering. The distant future nowadays. Might, actually live, to see it such. Being the case you never know your. Valentine's sweetheart, this year might, be someone you're shopping for a 100th, anniversary, gift a century. From now or, 1000th. Anniversary or, even, longer you might, still even be around and together, long, enough to watch the last sunrise before, the wardens, puts. A new spin on the notion of living, together happily. Ever after. I. Was. Mentioning a moment ago some of the stranger, scenarios, for clones and shared memories, and we see a lot more peculiar, options, for that in science, fiction one. Of my favorite authors for such topics, is Alastair. Reynolds and, I've recommended his revelation, space series, many, a time including. Today but. I've also mentioned my favorite novel by him wasn't, in that series, but, was actually the standalone, house, of Sons I don't. Think there's any book out there that really slams, home the scale of astronomical, timelines. Better than this book and to, the best of my knowledge it holds the record in sci-fi for, both the longest chase, scene and the longest romance, and as. Is often the case with this author he, really challenges, concepts, like identity, and what we mean by that the. Audiobook also happens to be done by my favorite narrator, John, Lee a good. Narrator can make a good book even better and a great narrator, before, me a great book and so, much to the story indeed. I've often found picking, new books by who narrated.

Them Is at, least as good a method for finding ones you enjoy as seeing, what other books folks often recommend, if you enjoyed novel, however. Taste vary by listener, not everyone, will enjoy the same narrator, and many, books have more one performance, available, on our wall and you'd, also listen to samples, of each performance, to see if you liked them before buying if. You'd like to grab a free copy of house of sons just, use my link in the episode subscription, audible.com, slash, Isaac, or text, Isaac to five hundred five hundred to, get a free book and a 30-day free trial, I really. Describe a book as mind-blowing, but, House of sons is a truly, epic novel, full of staggering, concepts. Next. Week we return to the earth 2.0, series, to discuss cloud cities, and look, at possible human habitats, city high among the cloud tops of mountains or, even floating in the sky in cloud. Cities, after, that will close out the month with, return to the alien civilization, series to, discuss the idea of alien, civilizations that. Infiltrate, other civilizations. Covertly, the, classic, flying saucers, case in secret. Aliens, for. Lords when those and other episodes come out make, sure to, subscribe to the channel and have you enjoyed this episode please, like it and share it with others, until. Next time thanks, for watching and, have a great week.

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A great episode. Thank you all very much for your efforts. I normally prefer upward bounds type topics, but this really was a stand-out. Congratulations. Great work.

Isaac, please bring back your old intro + outro music. So much more epic!

7:17 Yeah I can just imagine. "Honey why won't you sleep with me irl anymore" "You're too damn ugly in real life, at least the you in VR has the moral fortitude to have a 6 pack abs, a manly chin, and some regular ears that don't look like a cab with the doors open". "Back to killing you in VR it is then. "

6:51 Oh I know exactly what you're inferring, virtual FPS where all the enemies look like your spouse...right? lol

Audible advocates the destruction of Western civilization. I used to like your channel but now I've unsubscribed and you're blocked. I will pass this message on to anyone who mentions this channel.

How beautiful and terrible it would be to hold my husband's hand while we watch the sun go supernova together. But then I imagine the endless adventure as we searched for a new planet to call home. While I figure there would be many space habitats at that point in the future, I can see myself as someone who would prefer to live on a planet which is circling a sun.

How can mass life extension lead to anything other than the end of monogamy?

It's called Replica AI

Glad I watched this one. I'm outlining my first attempt at a sci-fi book and there were a lot of wonderful social considerations here. Excellent, video!

I dunno. Tech telepathy is something Ive often thought of as a Fermi Paradox great filter. I can easily see a society getting it, then collectively Nopes themselves into radioactive oblivion in as little as an hour. As an example: The internet. Many of us naïvely once thought easier communication would curtail disagreements. Instead all it seems to have done is increase arguements. "Familiarity breeds contempt" and all. And overall we tend to dwell on the negative as a species. Granted I hope I'm wrong, but it is something that bothers me. Transhumanism tho... The ability to download my mind into a custom-made body, kinda like Altered Carbon, that does intrigue me. And could be a lot of fun if it can be made affordable enough for the everyman

Personally, rather than no long term relationships, I could see, in a long lived society, a rise in relationships that are open to some degree. Where you have a main partner/spouse, but you are allowed to have some 'fun' elsewhere from time to time to avoid things going stale. You still have a loved one, but there's restrictions on the relationship. Also, I wouldnt be surprised if marriages as in 'till death does us part' loses some ground. Not that there would be no marriages, but that divorcing would be less scandalous, and some could just opt to live together and never marry, as some do nowadays.

How do you stay that positive? :D I'm in my twenties and I'm already tired of everything.

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Right now it isn't lookin like human civilization will survive the next hundred years much less advance enough for individuals to live 500 years.

Wouldn't it be great if, in the future, thank you cards could be replaced with short copy of the feeling of joy and gratitude experienced by the person doing the thanking, given to the one being thanked. Or maybe, in the case of a serious, interpersonal disagreement, each person could share a glimpse of their personal feelings and thoughts on the matter in dispute.

I fail to see how making a copy of one's self to go onto the next stop of an interstellar journey with a loved one could truly solve anything. Unless I am missing something, making a copy of yourself won't allow you to truly live out the results of both choices. The one left behind will still miss the loved one they didn't go with and the other will forever be resentful for having to go through another long and uncertain journey. As identical as the original and clone may be, they would still have to be two separate conscious beings, unable to access the feelings and, newly formed, memories of the other. I suppose, given the level of technology required to make an identical copy of a person, they would be able to alter the mind of each of them to make them believe they had never even considered the path not taken, but that bring a whole host of ethical questions into the equation. I hope humanity has a good long time to work these issues out.

'Marrying' a centaur..... oh my gods yes.

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Big ideas in sci-fi... I have very much enjoyed Peter F Hamilton, (both the the Night's Dawn series and the Void series) but the biggest ideas, Greg Bear and Aeon has to be up there. We make first contact, but it turns out to be us. So we discover an 'Asteroid' which is a habitat, (now seemingly abandoned) but the 7th chamber goes forever... So we send up a young Hispanic mathematician, to study it, because she is the author of the best & most advanced work humans have done on this, and then we discover it was invented by her, maybe 50 years in the future from now... So where did the tech come from? It's circular.... The Way is about two hundred miles in diameter, and has infinite (seems to be) length. A new gateway can be opened, at any location on the surface, and any new gateway (even a foot away) will open on a fresh new universe... When we open the Way and start to look around, we discover at least one race from one world in one universe, (The Kint) has discovered a way into it, a century before we built it... They look to us, like an 8 ft long Praying Mantis, and they're not friendly. They're busy building a multi-universe empire, and they've been at this for 2 or 3 centuries, using The Way to transit between their colonies... They didn't realise until the humans arrived, that the Way is infinite in one direction, but it does have an end at the other, and that's where The Earth is.... David Zindel's Neverness also has some pretty big ideas in it....

Isaac wouldn't pushing ice be more in line for astonishing amounts of time passing, not to mention time dilation. Similar but I believe exceeding House of suns? I only nitpick because it's also one of my favorites along with pushing ice and terminal world.

+Isaac Arthur Good criticisms didn't take it from that angle.

It's probably a fair nitpick though, and I suppose Restaurant at the end of the Universe or many a time travel novel might beat both, but I'll stand by House of Suns for really make you feel that time. Also, Pushing Ice had no romance plot of note, for today's topic, and I actually had jotted down this month for Reynolds and forgotten it was because he had a new book coming out, but HoS fits today better and is my favorite by him. :)

Isaac,  Your videos are always "mind blowing" I don't read fiction anymore, but I get speculative non fiction along with real science science fiction here. I've never heard you speak of having children, but for the sake of future civilization I hope you do or will. And I hope you can home school them as well as your parents did. Thank you for your service years ago and thank you for this channel. As I said in my previous comment, I highly recommend the "Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins if you haven't read it. It's almost science fiction

:) Not thus far, I would prefer to homeschool them too, should I ever have any. Yes I've read it though not in a long while, certainly an interesting book, from what I recall anyway.

I know you meant to say platonic, the caption even says platonic, but I definitely heard "plutonic" relationship haha. :)

Thank you Isaac. You are amazing!.

A new episode appears! This one seems to be a legendary.

Shared experience: "GET THAT OUT OF YOUR A....."

Big is not beautiful. We need to build more villages. People are better connected in smaller groups.

You say we don't change our personalities, but are not the use of some psycoatice drugs, like that. Was not one of the appeals of smoking that it was a hard to reverse choice?

Our AI overlords brain interfaces will show us what real love is, called love².  Research in Physics, Mathematics and the rest of the sciences will constitute love. If you're worried about losing your humanity, don't worry you'll LOVE² IT!

Am I just a crazy conservative thinK that I don't want computers chosing my books never mind my mate?

:) No, I don't think any of us terribly sanguine about the notion, it rubs the wrong way at the very least, but I think that's because we tend to assign personalities to computers, and they don't have one and seem decidedly creepy recommending on such things because of it.

If I could make a duplicate of myself with my memories and personality I would work with me for the new incites it would offer for self improvement. I could call myself out on things polite society wouldn't and we could both make an effort to improve.

1:10 Those leftie SF authors are missing scholarship that very strongly argues that sexual restraint is positively correlated with cultural energy. One of the key texts on that subject is J.D. Unwin's _Sex and Culture,_ in which Unwin studies 80 or so cultures from ancient times through nearly modern times and finds that correlation. Sometimes you don't know _why_ something is so, but you can see _that_ it is so.

ooh, more Stellaris music. good choice

Looks like a really satanic future...

The writers of Doctor Who should really get in touch with you. The concepts you talk about would restore the series to its former glory.

I agree with Isaac's characterization of "boredom" as a handwave. In my experience, boredom is for stupid people.

I lived seven lives at once. I was god to a god. I walked worlds of smoke and half-truths, intangible. Worlds of torment and of unnamable beauty. Opaline towers as high as small moons. Glaciers that rippled with insensate lust. And one world with nothing but shrimp. - Illyria (Angel) Or possibly plenty of humans in the next couple of million years.

Trust me, if you gave me the ability to modify my body in any way biologically plausible, not many people would be interested in a long term relationship, but the RIGHT people would be

The opening montage features 4 couples. All 4 feature white women, arguably 3 white women and 1 light-skinned woman of indeterminate race. 2 feature white men, and 1 features a black man (what is romance without a white female/black male relationship? Not of the 21st century, apparently, despite only being 1.5% of actual relationships in the US, one of the more diverse spots). Black women? Chopped liver. Asian women? Chopped liver. Asian men? Chopped liver. Apparently, white woman is the thing to be. Just sayin'.

14:13 I don't think making a clone of someone for that purpose is inherently sinister. As someone who seems to have very bad luck even meeting girls I'm interested in to begin with, this is an option I've considered (assuming of course, that this tech emerges in my lifetime). I haven't had a girlfriend since the 4th grade (I'm 22 now), and many prospective relationships I've had always seem to be quickly ruined by circumstances beyond my control. I have greatly considered getting clones of all the girls I've liked, of the sort like in the movie The Island, made probably through DNA printing; or Be Right Back or Westworld-style robot duplicates.   Another reason I've greatly considered these options is that from the time I was little, I've liked conjoined twins (like Abby and Brittany Hensel). Obviously, women like this are hard to come by, so being able to create conjoined twin wives through this tech is incredibly appealing to me, perhaps even more so than making duplicates of girls I like. I doubt I'd be the only person who'd use such technology to create an ultra-specific type of partner that they feel they absolutely must have, including types of people that are incredibly rare or would never occur at all in nature (like the centaur example).

I just turned 66 and regret not having children mostly to keep the economy, the nation, healthy. Immigration, uncontrolled does not preserve a culture. The idea of the "selfish gene" and the idea of us being a "survival machine" by Richard Dawkins comes to mind. I highly recommend that book relating to long term survival. I'd say I betrayed my genes. I was just was too selfish and might not have been a "good provider". I still don't think men and women can get along, but neither can room mates most times. Nature made it feel good for making babies.

Well pornhub says Emily is 2 miles away

Do you have a list for the stock footage you use?

Slightly unexpected topic but this is very interesting! Keep up the good work bro!

only thing issac arthur is romantic about are his megastructures

For my 500th Anniversary, I want a Charmed Quark Star!

You get her / him an oil change.

Currently read Alastair Reynolds sequel to his novel Revenger, set in an impossibly remote in time, human civilization, with many rises, and falls. Beyond this, I think of Frank Tipler's Physics of Immortality, and ponder what or how, our resurrected selves, would spend their time? Marriages would like that of interstellar travellers, and I am quoting a forgotten space short. having, "Many departing's and many reunions." Like Isaac's future solar system, there will be lots of stuff to do, as in many, many projects to keep somebody busy, for centuries, milenia, and yeah, millions of years. For Tipler's omega point? Oh, maybe even more than that!

I'm just a few chapters into Shadow Captains, hoping to finish it this weekend

I think I may have developed an unhealthy addiction to this channel...

LoL you completly missed a totally obvious part. Regardless of compatibility or what not, you can craft love to someone. Love is basicly a pattern in youre brain (the loved one) hooked to a lot of memory, the more the stronger the love. While you mentioned brain washing, you didnt even suggested that someone could be trained to love you. Heck you pretty much do that here with these videos, ppl shouting I love you. Its such an easy thing to do and we pretty much got the technology for it since forever. P.S.: also not mentioning stock holme sindrome? WTF if you live like really long, become lovers or pretty much complete fan of each other is not hard its fucking inevitable.

500th Anniversary = Moon 1,000th Anniversary = Planet 5,000th Anniversary = Star. 10,000th Anniversary = Solar System

Hey Isaac. Re: your concluding remarks about great author/narrator synergies. Have you heard my favourite "The Peripheral" by William Gibson - narrated by Lorelei King? The events are set in one near future time frame and another not so near. The book deals memorably with the theme of romantic love mediated by technology, Naturally there is much more to it than that. After all it is William Gibson! Lorelei King uses the voice I imagine I heard in my head when I read the text version, which is to say that when I listened to her, my memory of that experience was overwritten by her reading. If that makes sense. Of course if I read aloud to others, the best I can say of myself is that I am better than any text-to-speech software that I know to be currently available. For example the Kindle automatic narrator, or that of the late Prof.Stephen Hawking. No: on second thoughts Hawking's device beats my wooden efforts. A good example of how great material transcends the limitations of the narrator! On the subject of material. How do you produce 20 to 40 minutes of script every week? I have written two comments on this episode and a couple or four more on another two channels that I subscribe to. It is 01:35 GMT as I conclude this comment and I started at about 21:30 GMT! That includes watching about 45m of content of course. Good Night! PS I just read what I wrote, adjusted and corrected a bit and it is now 01:43.

I really need to get around to re-reading sprawl and get to some of his other stuff, it's been forever. Writing-wise, I honestly don't know, but generally I only spend one day week writing, sometimes two, particularly if I get bored and decide to crank out an extra episode, as the writing is my favorite part of the process. Probably a mix of really bad handwriting and the speech impediment, which used to be way worse than even in the early episodes, I tended to use typing as a way of expressing my thoughts clearly, so I'm fairly quick at it from practice.

it occurred to me that if we can copy our selves to have 2 or more sets of experience that people may want to recombine themselves afterwards so that they had both experiences and could compare them. would this be a plausible application of the same sort of technology?

This channel made me look forward to the future again, something i have lost i recent years. I'm looking forward to meet all of you in a couple of hundred years on some distant planet or a perfect simulation of middle earth.

6:30 You are IMPLYING, other people Infer what you imply.

I'm gonna be blunt: there was a serious lack of non-heterosexual couples in this episode (and I don't buy that a token shot of two woman sitting on a couch counts as diversity). The aesthetic over all seemed geared towards straight men, and I think that needs to change. This is my first time not clicking "like" on this series.

Crystal balls rarely work, but the self-righteous never apologize when they're wrong and so never notice.

The future of relationships? That's easy. In the next few centuries, humanity will be a mono-gender (male) species that reproduces through artificial wombs and stem cells. Women will be 110% obsolete. Every baby concienved will be genetically pre-altered to be male. The ONLY other alternative is that human civilization never leaves Earth. Ever.

Omg you deleted my comment about sex robots and artificial wombs!

+Logical Mayhem ??? I haven't deleted any comments today

Real men make arguments, cucks censor people. -50 respect

This side of the international date line, this came out on my own favorite day of the year - Feb 15: international chocolate clearance-sale day!

You buy yourself a artificial womb for reproduction and a sex robot with a good AI thats much more pleasant and pleasurable to be around than the real thing. Meanwhile women continue to become more and more dependent on government subsidies and begin to take on more atributes of their feline companions like thick body hair and the smell of kitty litter.

No, thats your own ignorant a** your sniffing. Go back to Infowars.

7:27 Where is this algorithm man!!!!

"... an intense desire to murder the other person... " XD

if we have simulations where whe can turn a eternity into seconds all irl relasionships are going to work fine we are sick of each simulate a century alone and then you come back as the most loving being

is that stellaris music playing in the background? cool!

Am I the only one who thinks that's humans will be a non monogamous species in the future?

Ancillary Justice is a good book that deals with copying personalities in the far future and the implications for warfare and government.

Yep, thanks for keeping pg-13 since I'm a kid and I do watch everything.

Why do you depict black guys with white women? It is repugnant. Why not the other way around? Society does NOT need to be reprogrammed with your leftist filthy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNSUBSCRIBED FOR 500 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+Joseph Lefrancois Here you go, you f_cking twit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDTBsAoCFHs&t=8s

+Joseph Lefrancois You're a brainwashed soy boy snowflake fool. I am sick of seeing black guys kiss white girls in everything on TV and movies. It is disgusting. Someone has to stand up for what is decent.

That white woman is probably your ex, and most other females wouldn't want anything to do with you. Eugenics and the master race can be found on other channels, GTFO. I'm a white guy and your making me look bad.

Isaac: You're now delving into concepts that I've been wrestling with for a while. Male/female pairing and marriage formalities are the rule in virtually every society merely because it's so basic and necessary to the human condition and our natures. That's not going to end as long as we're healthy and human. But the inevitable impact of unlimited lifespans on this and other societal aspects is rarely dealt with to any degree by visionaries or fiction authors. Owing to the inevitability of direct mind/computer interaction in the near future, doesn't it make sense that couples of the future will undergo something similar as a part of a bonding process? You don't want to basically alter personalities, as those were part of the natural process that drew them together. The virtues that need to be strengthened as those inherent in the marriage vows we know today. This computerized "mind melding" would just be a part of the wedding ritual prior to the traditional ceremony. In fact, in an immortal society, it might be an established ritual to go on a retreat vacation every quarter century to renew one's self physically, mentally and morally with professional help before embarking on a new life cycle from the ground floor. This would keep such a society from its greatest weaknesses; boredom, fossilization and decadence.

In my universe a romantic match furthermore a perfect match doesn't exist, so no need to ponder about happily every after.

Thankyou for sharing your old Army days photos Arthur.  They were great!

Yeah damn pretty guy tbh.

Love your work, but this one feels uncomfortable. I think the problem is we assume tech will resolve issues or open possibilities is a good thing. I'm just not that optimistic anymore. Urbanization has brought a huge number of problems to humans: perversion, insanity, childishness extending into adulthood, etc. Not to mention "multiculturalism". Having an expanded virtual community seems that it won't solve these problems and may in fact exacerbate them. Maybe these are topics for another video or even a different forum. Still, thumbs up.

A most informative video as always Isaac. I can always count on you to open my horizons still further. And House of Suns is certainly on my list of things to read. Looks really interesting when I look at it.

That 'intermingling' thing is just fusion from SU.

Drink and a snack

Well...if me2 and the recent developments in feminism world wide continue rather than bouncing back through backlash, the relationships of the future will be Hareems based on the 80/20 rule, massive amounts of cuckoldry within the hareems and security measures to prevent such, and normal guys getting their love and family from Gynoids and artificial wombs. All this well before most of your cool ideas here. Arranged marriages will only happen if the backlash against current feminism is harsh and islamic.

On cloning as a solution to divergent relationship desires, we still have no idea what consciousness is, let alone if cloning will duplicate it. With that in mind, you number one(the one making the decision to clone) would be the one that you experience. You number two would live your other desire without you being a benefactor, as its consciousness would be independent from yours. Or are you suggesting that we could have parallel consciousnesses? Without the ability to separate experiences in time it seems highly unlikely that one would be able to consciously live both lives. Furthermore, cloning seems akin to having a twin. Identical genetic material does not lead to duplicate consciousness, nor does it enable both copies (twins) to experience the life of the other. This is addressed to Isaac, but obviously I welcome and encourage any responses, as I am rabidly curious as to what I may be missing.

It would be awesome if you could download the experiences of your avatar so that both "beings" could essentially recombine back into the individual being. Sort of like the "fusing" in DBZ?

Nice video as always! I kept thinking where have I seen this before. Gotta be 3%. :)

ok... on second thought I see how the comment could look a bit rude. that was not my intention at all :).

I can't thank you enough for recommending Alastair Reynolds' books. Easily my favourite sci-fi author!

Some real weridos came out in the comment section. But you know what? I agreed with some of them and was sympathetic to others. I think instead of worrying, I am going to go and google if any good progress has been made on my Android s... The Android who's primary function shall not be named and secondary functions, such as cooking, cleaning, etc, will just be an after thought.

If there is one thing I am certain about, people in the far future are going to be giving each other diamond planets the same way you'd give your special someone a diamond ring.

Was House of Suns the one with "Ultras" - the interstellar navigators who lived so long, they spent most of it frozen so they wouldn't have to experience so much time? I binged on over 100 sci-fi books on Audible while at work, and I'm realizing that a big binge like that ends up giving me a lot of confusion as to which story is which.

Still reading Chasm City, but looking forward to House of Suns.

"In the year 6565 You won't need no husband, won't need no wife You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too From the bottom of a long glass tube" Sorry, but that totally came to my mind :D Happy Valentine's Day everyone!

One would have to get up very early in the morning to get ahead of you Isaac. One would In fact probably have to stay up all night. The only way I ever get close is in that I already paid for copies of most of the books that you reference, or - depressingly - give away. Especially the Audible editions! As usual your stuff ignites several wildfires in my mental woodland. Let me share one of them sparked by the idea ypu expound of a type of future relationship involving a Spockish coalescence of minds. The ancient greeks had an idea about the nature of attraction between couples that reminds me of this technology of the union of souls - only with a bit of backspin on it. The Greeks fancied that the human race was originally composed of self-sufficient beings with four arms, four legs, two heads, ferocious powers of concentration and very long spans of attention. The Gods became jealous - which usually meant that a thunderbolt set to "kill" would soon arrive. Not however in this case - what the gods did was to bisect each of these double beings. The resultant individuals became distracted. Where were their other halves? Problem solved! The gods were free to kick back and crack a couple of cold amphorae instead of having to fret about the threat of mortal humanity.

Yeah let's talk about psychology but then completely ignore actual psychology in favor of some imaginary brainwashing technology. :|

What happens when you are a resurrected human with twenty years remaining who is married to a genetically-adapted and long-lived Minbari?

and also nuked their previous spouse

Thought this might fit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjEaqdDaiI

Probably clone slaves

Trouble in forming relationships? Good thing even immortality won't be long enough for me to get into one then.

The orgies in 2310 are gonna be off the chain ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Issac should go on the joe rogan podcast

Isaac saying it's relatively easy to find friends and romantic partners. I didn't realize he was throwing jokes!

im sorry but a 500 year marriage sounds like a living hell.

Is there any possible weapon that could destroy a Star? Galaxy? The Universe? I need ideas people!

Missed a good chance about talking someone becoming an attack helicopter but i guess that is to old by now


No concept has given me more cause for concern than the reality of actual furries.

accidently marrying yourself. oh isaac, what have you done? I can never unthink this!

I think a good algorithm would apply shared interests as well as different but similar interests. Like bands you don't know but might like. Part of the fun is finding new things

Hooyah to my Hooah brother!

Great episode. Have you read "Life 3.0" ? A bok about AI. What's your take on it in the case that you have read it?

Happily ever two years.

Steel Beach

I sincerely hope there will be a place for traditional lifelong partnerships in the Future.

Lack of options and immobility tends to be the glue responsible for long lasting marriages. Long youthful existence will more likely cause society to drift in the hedonism direction.

500th: The Divorce Papers Anniversary.

On the sponsor part. Damn the House of Suns is one of best books i read/listened. And yes, this one i actually listened on audible, just becasue of this channel, and i just couldn't take my mind of it. Like legit addicted to story, and narrative is top notch. So if anyone think if they should or not, House of Suns is MUST HAVE !!!

As near as I can tell, compatibility is about 50% choice. It's not something that your just stuck with like freckles. Two people have to pursue it more or less continuously.

I have to say even if I'm not that big a romantic. this ep gives me a lot to think about even in comparison to other ep on this channel. A real deep topic here.

I feel like this is a good premise for a Black Mirror episode...

Hey Isaac, did you ever consider creating a professional documentary series about the future, cooperating with producers or streaming sites like curiositystream for example? I love your videos and I think you make them really great but I think you could create a much greater documentary with more Money and also these types of documentary‘s sadly are very rare.

That chick with the robot guy didn't look any less uneasy second time around, I guess that's what might happen if you left the matchmaking to computers :)

Wow this is hideously monogamous.

I am confused though how having a long distance relationship and getting busy on VR with each others avatars would be adultery? Otherwise great video! Love it.

I'm confused as well. I think he was thinking something more than just a long-distance couple, as he says at 06:59: "But if the other persons were strictly simulations, it's a bit more debatable." My guesses as to what he meant might not be G-rated, but I'll keep it mild/technical and below the fold. Speaking of which, the broader subject could really use an adults-only episode - not in terms of stock video, but in frank discussion about sex in science fiction and futurism. ~~~ I take that to mean we're supposed to infer that other parties are involved physically while the couple were perceiving one another visually/audibly through VR. I wouldn't have gotten that from context alone, if it wasn't conceptually similar to the sex scene in Blade Runner 2049 in which an AI/hologram leverages a third-party to provide physical feedback that would otherwise be missing. That's more augmented/mixed reality than VR. Perhaps given the reference to other persons being simulations, Isaac meant for us to infer partners taking on different appearances or there being non-player characters in the session, to use gaming terms. If that's what was meant though, it's not nearly as smooth a segue as his recent sponsor introductions.

we will need to replace english because its inefficient before going to space.

8:49 "Always Yours" - Gary Glitter

"That embarassing pop song" ...Wrecking Ball.

A big part of the day i am surrounded by people that are not interesting in space and future stuff. So i am glad this channels exist. I can talk freely here. Just yesterday i saw an article about making hydrogen from water directly from humite air. But non of my coworks , friend or familie was interested. There mast more people that like those things here

I'm aways so excited for the new videos! Also, it seems like the hosts at PBS Space Time have started to just recommend watching your channel when they get questions that have too much to do with the future. I'm thinking the host is a fan!

For the 500th anniversary a very warm good bye !

0:29 HOLY SHIT THAT"S ME. That's me and my ex-wife.

I love audible, but sometimes they have books that are not available for me. Like Alastair Reynolds' Elysium fire (and ironically Aurora Rising/The Prefect IS available...). This is frustrating as hell :< P.S. I also think House of Suns is his best.

I'm not sure the dividing myself thing actually helps. If I go down to the planet with Carol I'm really going to miss Alice. But if I stay on the ship with Alice I'll miss Carol terribly. So I divide myself and now one of me really misses Carol and the other one of me misses Alice terribly. Of course I do have the consolation that I broke neither Carol's nor Alice's heart. Just my own. Twice. Oh! Maybe I *do* divide myself, but so do they. So I go down to the planet with Carol and Alice, and I stay on the ship with Alice and Carol. Everybody's happy! Even better, they've finally agreed to the brainwash tweak that will rid them of residual jealousy. Hey, now that you like each other, have you considered getting the bisexuality tweak? Huh? Well, OK, I will if you will. 22:00 You have just come up with the plot of a VERY interesting science fiction romance! I'm reminded a little of the movie _Predestination,_ based on Heinlein's _All You Zombies,_ only different, with xoxing instead of time travel. If you don't write it I hope somebody else does.

"So I divide myself and now one of me really misses Carol and the other one of me misses Alice terribly. Of course I do have the consolation that I broke neither Carol's nor Alice's heart. Just my own. Twice." I suppose it depends on the nature of one's affection: if a person is truly comfortable with replication and it's ingrained in their psychology and culture, maybe being jealous of oneself is considered primitive/throwback behavior. For contemporary minds, though, I can foresee too many cases of Alice's husband being jealous of Carol's...okay, now I'm picturing the two unhappy husbands swapping places by transferring memories, long distance, so that Carol's husband is now mentally with Alice and vice-versa. They'd need to carefully balance their memories so that they know enough to pass as the other version (which physically they would be) while still retaining enough of their identity that the swap is still tantalizing as a sort of cheating. "Oh! Maybe I do divide myself, but so do they." In fact, my expectation would be that if a gardener ship has this technology, then everybody divides themselves, every time: everyone stays to build the colony and everyone leaves, as it's how gardener ships reproduce. Past mentions of gardener ships described them as duplicating almost like a cell in mitosis, so it would make sense for the crew to be replicated, as well. That leaves an entire ship and crew behind, so that if the colony needs to relocate/abort or the ship is needed for some other reason, the ship's still there.

Happily ever after is a moving target. It's the nature of all life. Life that survives hard times anyway.

Duplicating yourself and majoring in every college course is something Dr. McNinja does in the webcomic of the same name.

hilarious stock footages.

If a youngster can watch and keep up with this channel, I imagine they are knowledgeable about the scientific facts of what people in a romantic relationship do in private. Haha...

In answer to your question, a 500th anniversary is a Neutronium Anniversary.

Diamond for 60th and a new hip for 61st Anniversary.

During my phd I made several friends in the lab on which I worked. It was remarkable how similar our mindset and preferences were. I expected it to be more than if I was paired with random people, but the level of compatibility was astounding.

Utopia is impossible.

IDIC. :)

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